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February 28, 2020
Syria – Deadly Bomb Strike Warns Turkey To End Its Escapades

The last three days of the Idleb campaign were quite eventful.

The Turkey supported Jihadis threw everything they had against Saraqib where the M4 and M5 highways join. This enabled the Syrian army to take some 40 towns and cities at the southern front. The whole Ghab plain has now been liberated and the frontline has been massively shortened.

Idleb governorate Feb 25 2020

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Saraqib fell to the Jihadis but they paid a very bloody price for it as the Syrian and Russian airforce continued to intensively bomb the approaches to the city. A new defensive line has now been established around Saraqib and the Syrian army is preparing to recover it.

To take the large area in the south in difficult terrain and against little resistance was more important than the temporary loss of Saraqib.

Yesterday saw a extraordinary escalation as the Russian airforce bombed a Turkish infantry battalion which went south of the M4 highway and came near to the southern frontline. Metin Gurcan deciphered the event:

What exactly transpired on Feb. 27? At around 5 p.m., a Turkish mechanized infantry battalion, comprised of about 400 soldiers, became the target of an airstrike on a road between al- Bara and Balyun, some 5 kilometers (3 miles) north of Kafr Nabl in southern Idlib. According to local sources contacted by Al-Monitor, two Russian Sukhoi Su-34 and two Syrian Su-22 fighter jets had launched intensive bombings of Turkey-backed Syrian National Army (SNA) targets in southern Idlib at around 11 a.m. that day. The same jets hit the Turkish convoy in coordinated action, the sources said. A first, a relatively lighter strike by the Su-22s forced the convoy to stop, after which the pounding intensified, forcing the soldiers to take shelter in several roadside buildings. What followed next was likely the dropping of KAB-1500L bombs — a variation of advanced laser-guided bunker buster bombs capable of penetrating to depths of up to 20 meters (65 feet) — by the Russian jets. Two of the buildings collapsed in the attack, leaving the Turkish soldiers under the rubble.

At least 35 Turkish soldiers, some say 55, were killed and some 60+ were wounded.

The incident was a signal to Turkey that its escapades have to end.

Throughout the last weeks Turkey had used large armed drones to attack the Syrian army. The Turkish troops in Idelb governorate had additionally used man portable air defense missiles (MANPADs) against Syrian helicopters and Russian bombers. Enough was enough.

Turkey does not have permission to use drones within the Syrian airspace. On Wednesday Syria's air defense destroyed one of them.

To use manpads against Russian planes is an act of war. The Russian strike was a reminder to the Turks that it is quite able to wage one.

Russia denied that its planes had launched the attack and Turkey accused Syria of doing it. But these statements are designed to deescalate and to allow for continued peaceful relations between Russia and Turkey. Both sides know very well what really had happened.

There is still Erdogan's threat to launch a full sized attack on the Syrian army on March 1. He threatened to push it back to the old Sochi memorandum ceasefire lines. Russia has moved two frigates into the Mediterranean Sea which are armed with cruise missiles.These will be used if Turkey really attempts to implement its idiotic plan.

NATO and the U.S. have both rejected getting involved in the Idleb affair. Turkey is on its own and Erdogan will have to be careful. He is not only losing in Syria but also in Libya and he can not risk to further upsetting Russia because the Turkish economy depends on it.

Comments

The majority of the Turk videos show flat top buildings with a low wall on the edges of the roof. Many walled enclosures. Does not match the average building in Aleppo Idlib area of Syria. Zoom into the area around Tripoli, and the buildings and enclosures are a match. The other thing in the Turk videos is that buildings were somewhat scattered where as in Idlib and Aleppo they tend to be more grouped. This is also a match for Tripoli.
No doubt there will be some video from Syria but I think this has been well bulked out by video from Libya.
Tripoli area, google maps. https://www.google.com.au/maps/@32.5213859,13.1624807,478m/data=!3m1!1e3

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:01 utc | 101

The other thing is are the Turk drones in syria armed or are they just small targeting drones.
One video I saw, the drone (camera) is motionless in the air so I take it that was a small quadcopter type. Others are slowly circling. They may well be providing targeting info or laser guidance for long range artillery and rockets.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:08 utc | 102

johnf PhilE
I take it Blair’s claim to fame was Iraq.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:12 utc | 103

Architecture is the term I should have used. Architecture and landscape around Tripoli is an exact match for the vast majority of the Turk drone videos whereas Idlib and Aleppo are not.
Another thing I noticed in one video was cultivation around trees in and orchid. I have not seen this in Syria but around Tripoli there is cultivation around or along tree rows in orchids.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:25 utc | 104

Is this true or just Turkish propaganda?
Almasdar
It cites this page which is one-sided:
https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1233493323790327809
Seems difficult to just find out what has happened in reality. Dense propaganda fog.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 29 2020 9:29 utc | 105

In the earlier NATO article 4 meeting, they agreed to send an AWACS to Turkey. This may well be giving the Turks targeting information. Trump Pompeo were going to help Erdogan with information and ‘equipment’. A good chance the US isw in their helping the Turks to find targets.
apparently their was a strike on a headquarters in southern Aleppo. This may well have been a US or joint US Turk effort.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:30 utc | 106

Libya is not the only blood on David Cameron’s hands.
It is not well known but David Cameron is responsible for the British parliament voting for the illegal attack on Iraq.
With Labour MPs in revolt, Blair did not have the votes to get the issue through the House.
Both Cameron and Theresa May led a group of Tories across the floor of the House of Commons to vote for the attack.
Cameron and May won that vote with Blair – entirely their decision and they crossed from their own party to get it through.
This is why the Tories have protected Blair – even after the Chilcot report – a document they sat on for years and then never acted on.
Blair is a war criminal – so are Cameron and May.
Doubly so with Libya.
Triply with May – who got a vote through to attack Syria.
If Blair was put on trial – the truth about Cameron and May would be made more public.
So the Tories and Tory media – have hushed it up.
All here
Take a look
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-iraq-war-chilcot-report-response-apology-refuses-live-latest-updates-a7122886.html

Posted by: Emily | Feb 29 2020 9:44 utc | 107

Hausmeister
It comes from the Turk government and most likely is footage from Libya.
Also take another close look full screen and play it a few times. It is not a pantsir. It looks to be a truck and trailer combination with a radar mounted on the trailer.
Turks have sure had a win with their propaganda offensive. Every part of it now needs to be checked thoroughly.
It seems they’ve conned every pro Syria twitter account who are tearing their hair out and retweeting stuff that originated with the Turks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:48 utc | 108

Alot of dead this past night 1+ hrs ago:
Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
Urgent
About 40 martyrs from the army and the resistance due to the bombing of Turkish attack marches for the army and resistance points in Idlib, with more than 100 air strikes.+++
9:26 AM · Feb 29, 2020
https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1233669809226776576
Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
as a result of the Turkish aggression
The hero martyr Major General Burhan Rahmoun, commander of the 124th Brigade
The hero martyr, Brigadier Ismail Ali, commander of the 873th Battalion
The martyr hero Colonel Mazen Frwati
The martyr hero Lt. Col. Muhammad Hammoud
Image
8:50 AM · Feb 29, 2020
https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1233660702767960065
Many deaths & eulogies described here:
https://twitter.com/SyriaGeneral
Some interesting comments/ifo posted here 3 hrs ago:
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai
Regardless, the türkies hit a meeting of high officers in Aleppo this past evening/nite.
This is in addition to the 3 Syrian Generals in the past 2 weeks.
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Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 9:53 utc | 109

Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 9:48 utc | 110
They spent a lot of money to Cyberwarfare and to supporting amateur trolls in the Internet. So as of now the best is to simply look each day on the Syrian map. According to such triumph messages HTS arrived in the suburbs of Damaskus.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 29 2020 10:05 utc | 110

Hausmeister
That’s about it. SAA are taking some hits probably due to long range rocket systems fired from within Turkey. At the moment, casualties look to be less than some of the fronts they’ve been on in the past.
Hopefully, the propaganda win and a few volleys from long range multiple launch systems are Erdo’s way of pulling out of Syria and saving a bit of face.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 10:18 utc | 111

At Uncle Tungsten at #85
“That site and some of its links are a bit dodgy I would say.”
Of course it is dodgy. Al Sabah is a Turkish newspaper.
Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | Feb 29 2020 10:29 utc | 112

Hard to tell what is really going on. Turkey does have a good drone program, both surveillance and attack.

Posted by: Haassan | Feb 29 2020 10:34 utc | 113

@Peter AU1 | 103
Excellent work Peter.

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 10:39 utc | 114

The headquarters meeting that was hit was not far south of aleppo, within easy reach of Turk rocket systems.
I very much doubt there is or has been Turk drones freely roaming the skies of Syria.
Multiple launch guided rocket systems would break through air defences that are scattered along the front lines and I think this is what the Turks have been using.
It is inconceivable that Syrian air defences would be told to stand down in the current situation although though some clowns on social media who believe Turk propaganda think that is what occured.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 10:45 utc | 115

The apparent success of the Turkish PR operation with the approx 12 minutes of drone video is from one aspect a good thing. It shows Turkish military success to the public which probably reduced the pressure on Erdogan to do something rash, indeed, he doesn’t seem to have reacted significantly yet, it seems to have been quite quiet overnight. The military may have kept the geographic location of the events to themselves.
On the other hand no doubt the videos have stirred up the SAA revenge pot, probably leading to more terrorist and especially Turkish deaths. If indeed, as Peter AU1 has deduced, it is mainly from Libya then this is likely to have been a consequence unintended by the Turks.

Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 29 2020 10:53 utc | 116

Haassan 115
Might be good in Libya against Haftar but not in Syria against Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 10:55 utc | 117

*** Turkish President Erdogan: I asked Putin to step aside and let Turkey fight ‘Syrian regime’
29 Feb, 2020 09:29 / Updated 16 minutes ago ***
“..Erdogan asked Putin “to get out of the way” and let the Turkish troops deal with Syrian President Bashar Assad, the Turkish leader told his AK Party on Saturday….”
https://www.rt.com/news/482006-erdogan-russia-syria-fighting/
I’ve never trusted ‘a turk’, learning the expression ‘turkish revenge’ in the 1970’s from the film *Midnight Express*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RbUdJcxhhg
and, certainly applies to almost every encounter I’ve ever had with this group.
I believe erDOGan’s ‘goose is cooked’.
He has certainly made enemies with everyone, especially after his trip to Ukies-Ukraine last month.
He’s been a ‘useful idiot’, and now will be outplayed by the RF Military and Mr Putin.
Conclusion: “Never Trust a Turk” is a valid expression.
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Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 11:05 utc | 118

To those who use twitter as source , be aware there’s massive spike in turkish troll infecting the pro syrian twitter feed and many disinformation even those pro syrian tweet got snookered by fake news..
use your own firewall when you visit twitter , engage your brain and do not be suckered into false news.
after all twitter is the hotbed of insane troll activity , as shown by US paid anti china trolls constantly spreading nonsensican anti china lie and hate tweet..

Posted by: milomilo | Feb 29 2020 11:10 utc | 119

Those who discussing the turkish hit on SAA & HEZ meeting , be aware that it was a targeted hit with very high probability that it is US/Israeli providing the intel to the turk trigger puller
the exact location at precise time , possible quid pro quo for the turks doing this on behalf of israelis..
that the turk gain ire from hezbollah is just another iron ball on their neck.. HEzbollah will publicly show their martyered heroes and from there it will be open season on turkish military

Posted by: milomilo | Feb 29 2020 11:15 utc | 120

milomilo
I had thought US and Turk was involved but US Israeli is more likely considering Hezbollah.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 11:20 utc | 121

Yes milomilo & Peter AU1.
Obviously the izzrealis & the Malignant Mantee-Pompeo:
Posted 6minutes ago:
Y.N.M.S
@ynms79797979
Israeli newspaper Hadshot:
“An Israeli security official says: If Erdogan requests military support from the State of Israel against the Assad regime in Syria, we will not hesitate to provide him, our military and economic relations with Turkey at the highest levels.”
12:20 PM · Feb 29, 2020
https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1233713531306086402
X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 11:29 utc | 122

Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 11:05 utc | 120
“Never Trust a Turk” is a valid expression.“
No. It is nationalistic bullshit. Update your brain, please. The people you aim at are a backwards kept mixture of islamistic-ultranationalistic deplorables that make up 30% of the recent population at best. In the USA you have similar people (so called Red Necks, QAnon-believers, etc.), in Germany as well, the percentage might be a little lower. That’s all about.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 29 2020 11:31 utc | 123

The original attack on Turkish soldiers was by Russia?
So Erdogan went to NATO, and NATO huffing and puffing but not doing anything? So now Erdogan opens borders to Syrian refugees including Jihadis?
Last news: Erdogan intends to meet Putin.
There is the very real humanitarian desaster of Syrian opposition civilians in refugee camps or about to be overrun by the Syrian army. Civilians noone wants.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 29 2020 11:33 utc | 124

somebody
So long as there are no US troops protecting jihadis at the camps, Russia and Syria will get supplies to them and work on reconciliation. A lot will end up taking reconciliation but no doubt there will be a few die hard jihad families their.
My guess is, even with whats happened, Putin wants Turkey to help with this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 11:39 utc | 125

milomilo #121
THANK YOU for that cautionary tale re twitter. I only went recently to canthama site and meandered a little. It sure is inflamed now that Turkey has lurched into the fray. I prefer a quiet life so happy to avoid it mostly.
It sure is looking good for M4 conquest any minute.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 29 2020 11:49 utc | 126

sorry Hausmeister @125.
I was only stating a fact, from my long life.
Yes. It’s based on interaction with these people.
The reason for this behavior is, not my concern.
Treachery & Dishonesty appears to be endemic to anyone who can read.
am.colloquial English *Bullshit Artists* applies as well.
Regardless, anyone who talks alot and tries to impress people with ‘tuffness’ when in reality they are only chickenshits, are not to be trusted.
In this case I believe the expression *türkeishits* should be used.
In the meantime, the adage “Trust is Earned, Never Given Blanco” applies for all in my opinion.
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https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=endemic&ia=definition

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 11:57 utc | 127

8
‘NY Times (“Children Freeze to Death. Bombs Rain Down. And ‘Nobody Cares’”), and this morning on progressivism-for-suckers outlet Democracy Now! (“Catastrophic Humanitarian Crisis in Idlib as Syrian Troops Advance & Children Freeze to Death”).’
It should be noted that the temperature in Idlib is 14C during the day and 6C at night if you google weather Idlib.
Hardly freezing to death temperatures.

Posted by: Sven Lystbæk | Feb 29 2020 12:02 utc | 128

VeritasX- #120
There are many Honourable Turks and I reject that ‘never trust a…’ line. Believe me there are millions of enlightened and libertarian Turkish people who are seriously intimidated and mortified at the rjise of Erdoghan and his evil political party.
There is a rich vein of integrity and respect for justice and intellectual enquiry in that fair land and they are hated venomously by religious and chauvinist nationalist troglodytes. Erdoghan being of the latter caste.
I seriously trust that their resurgence to political power and the vanquish of the loony troglodytes is near at hand. They deserve their freedom and our trust.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 29 2020 12:07 utc | 129

These articles in Consortium News provide context and a good summary of the shit that’s going on in Syria’s Idlib province, the last refuge of the rebels, ISIS terrorists and headchoppers.
NATO: From Covert Sponsor to Artillery for Terrorists in Syria
Turkey Asks NATO to Join Its War Against Syria and Russia

Posted by: Carciofi | Feb 29 2020 12:22 utc | 130

I have been looking at the pantsir video again and comparing to the MAN mounted version. The radar looks to far back on the unit but that could be because of the viewing angle. There is a white patch where the roof of the control cabin would be, and also a lighter patch where the targeting radar would be, so Im more inclined to think it is the MAN mounted version of the pantsir rather than a truck trailer mounted rader as I earlier thought.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 12:22 utc | 131

Stupid, braindead, nor ‘nationalistic’ am I.
Considering it was Bronstein-Trotsky who first employed the word ‘racist’ on a large-scale while murdering millions well, I’ll refrain from using the word.
Of course there a exceptions-to-the-rule even in Turkey.
I’d expect it follows the *Bell Curve* regarding sociological Behavior Analysis.
More than 50% of the turks have allowed Mr. Doggy to be in power for about 20 years now.
Don’t blame me!
The responsibility to get-rid-of the AKP/Grey Wolves/MIT-drug smugglers ain’t my job.
Talk is Cheap.
Best these ‘good Turks’ get some results than.
I’m tired off, making exceptions.
The Good People of Syria, Hezbollah, IRGC & RF are “doin’ something about it”.
Do me a favor and tell your ‘good Turks’-friends to do the same.
Regards X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 12:30 utc | 132

One should always separate people from the government. My guess is even a part of those who voted for Erdogan and the AKP are not thrilled with the insane wars in Syria and Libya. Understandably not so much out of concern for those countries and peoples themselves, but because of the turkish soldiers dying and getting injured there for no apparent reason.
That being said all major political parties in Turkey, with the exception of HDP, are ultra-nationalistic from a western perspective. This ultra-nationalism has been cultivated for decades from a very young age and runs through almost every single Turk.
Being ultra-nationalistic of course doesn’t mean you completely disregard logic and self-preservation. Dying to protect al qaeda terrorists makes no sense to many in Turkey, no matter what their political affiliation.

Posted by: redrooster | Feb 29 2020 12:31 utc | 133

I’ve been expecting for a long time that Russia was going to throw Assad under the bus. I think we saw in Donbass that Russia has no patience for wartime leaders who hesitate to embrace the compromises that Putin seeks, when he thinks it’s time for peace, especially when those wartime leaders are vassals. They die. Oh not by Russia’s hand, of course. So, with this in mind, why is Russia encouraging (de facto) Turkey to absolutely tee off on the SAA? I think it’s to liquidate Assad. I think Putin has decided that the time has come for Assad’s exit. The ‘peace’ Putin seeks is a de facto dismemberment of Syria. Assad will not allow this. I think he will now be removed.

Posted by: paul | Feb 29 2020 12:33 utc | 134

Amazing zoo on this page. Rare species not endangered! 😉
“Stupid, braindead, nor ‘nationalistic’ am I.”
Of course you are not. In a weak moment you just used the wrong words.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 29 2020 12:46 utc | 135

Considering the volumes of smoke being blown online right now I think it is useful to remember that in these days of cheap and easy “deep fake” video capabilities that fake drone/potato cam video is particularly easy to pull off, assuming there is a use for it. While I am not claiming that the turkey videos are fake, I can see a number of ways in which they could be useful, even for Russia and Syria.
Just remember Iran stuffing Trump’s request to blow up some empty buildings there in a fake attack to sate psycho bloodlust back home and realize that America isn’t the only one capable of cooking up theatrics. I would even speculate that if there is deception going on here that the target of that deception is partially the same as the ones that Trump was hoping to deceive with a fake attack on Iran (note: not necessarily the American public).

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 29 2020 13:07 utc | 136

Do me a favor Housemaster and, stop with the ‘Ad hominem’ bs.
It’s apparent your ‘mother tongue’ isn’t English.
Regarding “In a weak moment you just used the wrong words”, my reply is *Non Sequitur*.
Apropos ‘zoo’, stop shitting on the other monkeys here.
:)))
X-
ps.
@134
should be:
“Best these ‘good Turks’ get some results then.
I’m tired of, making exceptions.”
btw. Definitions:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=aprpos&t=ffcm&ia=definition
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=non+sequitur&t=ffcm&ia=web
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffcm&q=ad+hominem&ia=definition

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 13:18 utc | 137

Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 13:18 utc | 139
Done with ease. And you stop to generalize own bad experiences with some Turkish people. “Zoo”: sorry, irony tag forgotten.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 29 2020 13:23 utc | 138

Expext Erdo is not got to sweat the loss of some men he has lots. But loss of some high pofile equipment would get attention. But that would be an escellation of sorts.
Russia has been very measured in its involvement does not want this to become Russia v NATO. And does not want Russian troops to be seen as combatants per se.

Posted by: jared | Feb 29 2020 13:43 utc | 139

Russia should be discussing establishment of some humaninarian camps in Turkey held area. Highs in the 60s (15 c)

Posted by: jared | Feb 29 2020 14:02 utc | 140

Having lived and worked in Turkey for the better part of 30 years, I can attest that Veritas X seems to have very little experience of actual Turkish people. For the most part they are as honest and trustworthy as any other people, perhaps more so.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 29 2020 14:04 utc | 141

@136 paul, “I think we saw in Donbass bla bla bla”. I think you saw what you wanted to see, and so it is of no interest what you think you saw or what you wish-thinking for.

Posted by: gary 2 | Feb 29 2020 14:08 utc | 142

“Never Trust a Turk” is a valid expression.“
Ask any Turk, they don’t trust each other!

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 29 2020 14:15 utc | 143

Peter AU1
Great sleuthing!
@b your thoughts? signs of kabuki or just desperate political ploy? do you still believe your ‘ice cream cone’ theory?
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 29 2020 14:35 utc | 144

Erdogan has come to Jesus who looks a lot like Pompeo with orange hair.
Erdogan warns Russia
He’s fully on board with the CIA vision of Syria and the ME. And the CIA has just cemented the deal with its latest surrogate brigade: the Turkish Army. Turkey is going to war with Russia in Syria backed by the US with plausible deniability. Case closed.
How will it turn out? If we stipulate that no American soldier can get anything but severe headaches, very, very badly for Turkey. If we stipulate that American troops can get killed and awarded posthumous degrees from Trump University, then instead of green masks we should be stockpiling fallout shelters.

Posted by: Bill | Feb 29 2020 14:46 utc | 145

I came across 2 interesting pieces that, I suggest MoA-readers take a look at:
1) From *Fort Russ*, “Peter the Great used to say: “Never trust a Turk!””
October 9, 2015
Kirill Voronkov
Vashmnenie.ru
Translated by Kristina Rus
“Tsar Peter I [Putin’s favorite Russian leader – KR] used to say: “Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, and don’t trust a non-drinker.”
Turkey has always, throughout history, played on the contradictions of the interests of Russia and the West….”.
https://www.fort-russ.com/2015/10/peter-great-used-to-say-never-trust-turk/
2) Even though I haven’t come to any ‘conclusion’ regarding John Helmer and his…’reliability’, I find his recent piece quite the same as I’ve been reasoning:
***Erdogan Calls Kremlin to Bail Him Out of Syria Fiasco, Pitiless Putin Lines Up Behind His Military***
“The Russian and Syrian general staffs and their men have been doing to the Turks what no one has achieved in the Middle East since 1917.
So the Sultan has called the Tsar – three times this month so far; in January, once by telephone, twice in face-to-face meetings; and twice by telephone in December. Every time the telephone rings, it is, as the Kremlin communiqué doesn’t fail to mention, “at the Turkish side’s initiative.”…”.
https://russia-insider.com/en/erdogan-calls-kremlin-bail-him-out-syria-fiasco-pitiless-putin-lines-behind-his-military/ri28357
Definitely worth a read.
X-
ps.
Guess we can blame Tsar Peter I for being the OP-original poster concerning trust & turks.
:)))

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 14:50 utc | 146

Looks to me like the Anti-Assad oil producing Arab states have already backed out of Syria.. are they still funding and supplying head choppers.. ? .. When Russia gets serious, it may arrange hot pursuit into Turkey.. bomb the hell out of the Turkish borders about 10 miles inside of Turkey.. along the front. and establish in Turkey for the protection of Syria, what Turkey was trying to establish in Syria for the benefit of Turkey. Russia might keep the 10 mile inland stretch it establishes as its own, inside of Erdos Turkey [make it into a protected border no man’s land [the Berlin wall] ] to keep Turkey and its black marketeers out of x-border mischief in Syria .
Erdo continue to antagonize Russia. <=Russian response probably will be better than the Rose Bowl. Pop corn anyone? Southfront information is improved when you sprinkle it lightly with a grain of salt and liberally with a pound of propaganda.

Posted by: snake | Feb 29 2020 14:58 utc | 147

Veritas
You’re just stirring the pot.
Did a Turk woman break your heart?
Get over it.
We come here for the analysis, not petty grievances and grudges.
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IMO Erdogan’s Islamist orientation is much more relevant than his ethnicity.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 29 2020 15:07 utc | 148

No capital wants to escalate – the war everyone fears. But history shows nations eventually find themselves with no choice but step over the abyss.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

Posted by: peter mcloughlin | Feb 29 2020 15:08 utc | 149

Oh, and finally, can you say, “Spanish Civil War”?
Never, ever, forget why Chamberlain appeased Hitler and the reason for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Never, ever.
The captains of industry in England and the US were rooting hard, really hard, for Hitler to invade Russia. They would have given Hitler most of Europe just to get rid of Stalin. Stalin knew this and knew he needed time and half of Poland as a glacis against the Wehrmacht. When Hitler failed to take Moscow he realized it was over and so did the captains of industry. That’s what they got for their crazy fear of Russia. Knee deep in kaka.
Plus ca change, plus c’est le meme chose.

Posted by: Bill | Feb 29 2020 15:14 utc | 150

From Elijah Magnier

The reason why Turkey managed to kill a very large number of Syrian officers and their allies is due to the Turkish drones hitting inland, not on the front lines, where Turkish drones should not have been allowed to fly so deep.+
It took the Russian General in #Syria serious effort & time to convince his superiors that a ceasefire from the Russian side only was not appropriate to the allies and that an air coverage should resume.
#Turkey took advantage of the few hours window to carry its revenge attack.
I spoke to many people. All said “there were large losses by the drones but this is a war. Among around 6000 men deployed on the front line, if there are a few hundred killed and wounded the result is acceptable. The war continues and more will be killed.”
End.

Posted by: b | Feb 29 2020 15:17 utc | 151

snake @149: When Russia gets serious … hot pursuit into Turkey
Russia is serious and will not do anything crazy like entering Turkey. They know that:
1) Russian air power has been decisive.
IMO Erdogan hopes to use the USA/NATO ‘card’ to arrange for a limited conflict between Turkey and Syria. This ‘deconfliction’ would mean no Russian or USA planes over Idlib.
2) The ‘Assad must go!’ strategy is to strangle Syria economically.
For this strategy to succeed, it’s vital that the highways remain unusable and SAA resources are strained so that they don’t have the power necessary to liberate the oil fields.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 29 2020 15:22 utc | 152

Hey…Jack-rabbit.
I don’t screw animals /s.
No, is the answer to your, bull-shit.
Now go eat your vegetables…jack.
You don’t know ‘jack shit’ about me or my opinions.
X-
ps.
It’s unfortunate people don’t know how to read.
Read Again what I’ve written/wrote.
pss.
I will ignore any & all further Ad hominem crap.
btw. “/s” meaning sarcasm

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 15:22 utc | 153

I think you guys should understand that “Turk” isn’t really an ethnic thing. A “Turk” is a jingoist nationalists. NEVER trust these Turks, they will work to destroy you in any way they can.
Sadly though I will add another expression, “never trust a Russian”. Allying with Russia instantly cheapens the blood of your people and soldiers. An alliance with the US never does the same thing. Syria tried to balance the two, but because of Israel’s ambitions, an alliance with the US never formed.
Now we in Syria are stuck with Russia, a nation that has no appetite to help us in the struggle it created for us thanks to its failed diplomatic efforts (Astana, Sochi and so on). Many good people died yesterday and for nothing. I can only hope Iran will be more faithful than Russia, Syria cannot withstand Turkey on its own, they have a population that is larger than us.
Their population is also more educated and competent, and I don’t say this because I’m Turkmani, it’s just statistically the case due to economic factors. Syria needs Iran, Russia does not care how many Syrians are killed as long as it can at least seem relevant on the world stage.
I am very disgusted with the events that transpired the last few days. Syria was blamed for a joint Syrian-Russian attack on a Turkish headquarters and then our men were left to die from the counterattack. Putin, you are inhuman. Shame on you.

Posted by: turkish_syrian | Feb 29 2020 15:24 utc | 154

Watching the latest coverage of the refugee situation at Greek/ Bulgarian borders – as I mentioned yesterday Turks were in mobs telling Syrians that if they don’t fight with the Turkish army they should get lost. This was happening in Antep and Hatay amd people were genuinely scared being told not to leave their homes.
Of course people poured onto busses and are headed to Edirne. The show being orchestrated there should be such that any civil nation would be thoroughly ashamed of the behaviour that Turkey displays – treating the most vulnerable with such utter racist contempt and derision is loathesome beyond words.
But silence.
Were Turkish (economic!!!) immigrants anywhere to be treated with such hatred and contempt there would be deafening cries of Islamaphobia, Racism, Facism …
So why are we silent?

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 15:29 utc | 155

Putin ordered standdown of ad and attacks, Which provided the turks with a few hours to hit dozens of Syrian targets even deep inside Syria..
The pantsir was ordered to stand down and hence did not shoot down the drone that attacked it, even the syrian kuwayris air base got hit.
Reminds me of how the turks shot down the Russian SU24 all those years ago.. Why Putin would trust this turk is beyond me, he is a conniving double timing thieving punk with a red chair.

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Feb 29 2020 15:36 utc | 156

These are not drone attacks. Drones only carry tiny missiles like antitank rounds in size. This is a compilation of drone surveillance footage showing artillery strikes. We have no information on when or where any of it occurred, but it has been assembled as a psyop by Turkish intelligence. What is more, the operation began a few days before the footage was released when some agitprop bs about Russia being asked to allow Turkey to use armed drones against Syria began making its rounds. Dont fall for this obvious hoax and pull all your hair out like the womyn at southfront.

Posted by: nemo | Feb 29 2020 15:46 utc | 157

If I’m understanding this right, Magnier et al are essentially saying that because Putin and Erdogan were re-opening phone negotiations, Putin had ordered a temporary halt to Russian strikes (and unfortunately, defenses) while those talks were ongoing–as a sign of good faith and genuine desire for a resolution, no doubt. If this is true, and it was under those circumstances that the Turks launched major strikes, that is worse than an insult to Putin. It actually embarrasses him, makes him look foolish. I can’t imagine there won’t be major repercussions to the Turks because of that, and that never again will there be a unilateral stand-down by the Russians.

Posted by: J Swift | Feb 29 2020 15:50 utc | 158

I tend to trust SouthFront as they are at least balanced in reporting on the setbacks for the SAA and they have nothing on any generals of the SAA being killed or Turkish strikes making any kind of difference.
Erdogan is the most likely source of fake news and rumors. Truth is always hard to find in war.

Posted by: Chris | Feb 29 2020 15:50 utc | 159

@ bill
>> Oh, and finally, can you say, “Spanish Civil War”?
Please elaborate.

Posted by: orange | Feb 29 2020 15:53 utc | 160

@turkish_syrian | 156
“never trust a Russian”
Absolute rubbish. You clearly no nothing about Russia or Russians. Russians will give you the shirt off their back, open up their wide circles of friends and aquaintances to help anyone and remain loyal at differeing degrees of ‘closeness’. But, make an enemy of a Russian and trust is no longer an issue – you will be left in no doubt as to where you stand.
I have spent/ spend a lot of time in Turkey and I fully understand where Veritas-X is coming from. Certain of the main characteritics can be seen in Erdogan’s behaviour. But the guy who claims to have worked there for decades and then claims Turks to be some paragons of virtue is to be ignored – unless he worked and lived in ex-pat communities in Turkey.
Yes, I am a Russian defending my own, but not wihout reason.
That you are Turkmen means of course that Veritas-X’s comments do not relate to you unless you are a Turkish citizen. There is a world of difference between Turkic and Turkish people; a distinction you rightly point out at the beginning of your comment. I am very lucky to spend time in Iran often and know many Turkmen from the Golestan region – wonderul people, truly. I was invited to a wedding last year but was unable to make it but boy, do I wish I could have gone! Such an amazing parade and music and food and just sheer joy!!

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 16:02 utc | 161

@125 Haum/@131 Tung/@143 Blue/@150 Bunnyfoofoo
As you all seem to be soapboxing on whom to Trust in a war of treachery-
please elaborate on this notion.
Should “we” trust Zionists? And are they
1) a Nation?
2) a Religion?
3) a Race?
@150 Bunnyfoofoo- Please do not ever grab the mike here and speak for the collective “WE” as in “We come here for the analysis, not blah blah…” You don’t speak for me jackass and I find you mostly obnoxious.

Posted by: CitizenX | Feb 29 2020 16:35 utc | 162

The translation of the original Arabic source @ 2:41 PM · Feb 28, 2020 of the “Pantsir” hit says it was a Wagner PMC Pantsir in Libya.
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1233477466620121095
Also, as previously noted by Peter AU1, even to my dumb civilian eyes it looks nothing like a Pantsir S1.

Posted by: Carciofi | Feb 29 2020 16:43 utc | 163

CitizenX @164: I find you most obnoxious …
LOL. Yet it appears that “we” largely agree on at least two things:
1) I’ve been skeptical of Erdogan’s intentions ever since the pretended ‘coup’ in 2016. (milomilo takes me to task about this every chance he gets.)
2) I’ve been critical of Zionist influence and have noted how it is a litmus test for support of the Empire. I’ve even taken a lot of flak for questioning Bernie’s loyalties (my theory: he supports the Empire by herding discontent into the Democratic Party slaughterhouse).
You are free to peruse the moa archives to verify my positions.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 29 2020 16:49 utc | 164

@ uncle tungsten, S, and peter au…. thanks for the feedback on the twitter link i offered @ 83…. the feedback was all good and relevant! thanks! i don’t believe everything i see – generally the opposite, but i appreciated your input on that one…
to those who want to turn this thread into some stupid catfight about nationality… jesus fuck! cut it out….

Posted by: james | Feb 29 2020 16:49 utc | 165

We all “know” that the turkeys just killed 6 gorillion Syrians and destroyed their entire hardware supply🙄 erDOGan is immortal and have a ironman suit and laserswords, the Ruskies and Syrians better watch out!
/s
The believers of turk propaganda is a sad little bunch of status quo worshippers, turkish nationalist scum and/or part of the turk “twitterati” legions. intelligent humans wait for the official Russian statements and see what the people actually fighting the turks/isis/aq say on twitter/blogs(if you can find them😉)
No sane humans trust the turk gov chatter and their videos.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Feb 29 2020 16:55 utc | 166

@ 165 Carciofi.. that is what @ 90 S was saying, and peter au a bit later, except you added more to it..
i am not singling out anyone here and i am guilty of it too – it pays to read all the posts… cheers…

Posted by: james | Feb 29 2020 16:55 utc | 167

Per/Norway @168: gorillion
FYI: I think you mean gazillion.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 29 2020 17:02 utc | 168

A new for of Turkish ethnic cleansing – open western gates and threaten people to leave Turkey; secure Southern gates and prevent the desperate from entering.
Then talk about the plight of refugees as being “a shame”. Talk about Islam; talk about “defending the muslim world” …. The sheer callous hypocrisy.

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 17:03 utc | 169

The EU needs to impose a 30 km safe zone inside and along the northern border of turkey in order to contain the influx of refugees. That’s Turkey’s solution in Idlib so they should be fine with the parallel situation in their north.

Posted by: Goober | Feb 29 2020 17:13 utc | 170

Recalling that the US is moving atomic gadgets out of Turkey and dispersing them to forward bases in a massive exercise Wally was saddened by Comrade Brother Ritter’s letter today, Saturday. I can’t imagine that it’s not all part of the same war – and the business in Syria or Idlib is merely a theater of war…and recall also Comrade Texas’ opinion about a showdown in April… And remember those new ships that just left the Black Sea..
Anyway, read it your self…
“The threat of a nuclear war between the US and Russia is now at its greatest since 1983″
ronpaul institute has it, as does RT.
………….
If I was Ivan I’d be loading live munitions…but I’m not. Ivan already said what he’ll do. I sure hope it don’t go bad…
” The unprecedented concentration of offensive NATO military power on Russia’s border, coupled with the cavalier public embrace by General Wolters of a “flexible first strike” nuclear posture by NATO, has more than replicated the threat model presented by Able Archer ’83. In this context, it would not be a stretch to conclude that the threat of nuclear war…”
Ritter fails to mention the movement of US a bombs, or the movement of ships, or the abject defeats and humiliations the US has created for itself…or the fat guy yammering werewinningwerewinning over and over again, or the corona thing…put it together…

Posted by: Walter | Feb 29 2020 17:26 utc | 171

@Goober | 172
Excellent idea!! )))
And return from Europe all Turkish economic immigrants in exchange for genuine Syrian refugees.

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 17:49 utc | 172

129;Never trust a zionist.

Posted by: dahoit | Feb 29 2020 18:03 utc | 173

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Feb 29 2020 15:36 utc | 158
Some here gave info that the pantsir that was show to be destroyed in a short video was not in Syria but instead in Libya. Hence it was not manned by Russians. Bellincat style tricks.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Feb 29 2020 18:08 utc | 174

Erdogan to Putin: “Let [Turkey] go head to head with the “Regime””
Easy to say when ypu know full well that the likelihood is zero!

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 18:11 utc | 175

When 2 parties debate a thing and have targets that exclude each other and they come to a “solution” (Astana, Sotchi) then the only real content of any paper or declaration can be to buy time. It is blatant that the Turkish side did not and could not fulfil its promises. As there are no such things like moderate headchoppers and as Assad would never admit to accept a political solution that would not deny to 100% all ambitions of Muslim Brotherhood-inspired parties. Religion is free as long it is only religion is the nucleus of the Syrian social contract. So any solution will be violent at the end.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 29 2020 18:28 utc | 176

karlof1 @ 18
But the Saker doubts this scenario.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 29 2020 18:29 utc | 177

I have gleaned a very important lesson from the string of contradictory comments that bumptiously and dogmatically assert who is and isn’t trustworthy: never trust a troll!

Posted by: Ort | Feb 29 2020 18:34 utc | 178

Having read the comments, I am really surprised no one has made the obvious connection.
By use of these drone attacks Erdogan just put himself and Turkey in a very exclusive club. Only the US openly, and Israel covertly, use drones militarily against forces outside their borders. Previously Turkey did this covertly, usually at the direction of US or Israeli operatives via its proxy forces in Syria
Now Erdogan is joining the US in openly using drones. This is the clearest evidence yet as to how Erdogan sees himself and his mission.

Posted by: les7 | Feb 29 2020 18:35 utc | 179

Hard to believe that Turkey would use a ceasefire to launch drone attack.

Posted by: jared | Feb 29 2020 18:37 utc | 180

@139
“Do me a favor Housemaster and, stop with the ‘Ad hominem’ bs.”
You opened with an ad hominem against an entire culture, so you don’t really get to whine about it being used against you.
“It’s apparent your ‘mother tongue’ isn’t English.”
Christ, I sure hope it isn’t yours either. Because if it is you have no excuse for the clusterfuck your posts are.

Posted by: Benjamin | Feb 29 2020 18:48 utc | 181

Incredibly, it now seems clear that Russia has stood aside in Syria to allow Turkey to destroy the SAA. It would appear that Putin and Erdogan have made a deal. No doubt there are many details to be worked out and still a bit of a show to put on, but the carnage Turkey has been unleashing in Syria, it seems, almost entirely unopposed, it seems, says a lot. Israel is supposedly offering to jump in on the fun. The lines of the Syria carve-up have been more or less agreed upon, I think. Syrian authorities and military who refuse to adjust will presumably be ‘nuetralized’, as it seems such folks were in Donbass. Nationalism is fine and dandy as long as it’s convenient, right Vlad? Syria will become perhaps a model for a future Palestinian ‘state’: resources stolen; population dependent; surveillance ever-present; no control over airspace; no control over borders; sham elections; military nuetralized; etc..

Posted by: paul | Feb 29 2020 18:52 utc | 182

@170 Jackrabbit
Pretty sure he doesn’t.

Posted by: Eric | Feb 29 2020 18:54 utc | 183

@ paul, you have been saying this at moa for at least the past 3 or 4 years… anything new to add to it??

Posted by: james | Feb 29 2020 18:56 utc | 184

james 167
For me, a lot of stuff about massive drone strikes just didn’t add up. I had already seen video of the pantsir hit before your link. General scene – buildings ect did not look like syria, armored vehicles parked in a row would sit without moving and be hit one after another whereas videos I’ve seen of ATGM hits where the vehicle can still move or others are around, they move fast when there is a strike, the the pantsir – the one the Israelis hit was due to the crew who simply stood around with the machine shut down waiting for more missiles, plus no second pantsir to give cover while reloading. Pantsir crews would have had a lot of discipline and training rammed into them after that. And lastly, in the land of selfies and mobile phones, not a single image of the massive damage done by the imaginary strikes. The only evidence posted on previously accurate sites for the war on Syria originated from Turkey.
Now there is the shit like Magnier is posting where the Syrians think the Russians are to blame or like they are an inept bureaucracy or whatever. Magnier has put a lot up without expressing any doubt as to the origin of the Turk video.
Turk propaganda has worked well in creating a seed of distrust against the Russians in Syria if this is what Magniers Syrian source is saying.
Magnier is the best on the various factions in the region, but when it comes to Russia he is not so good.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 18:59 utc | 185

@186 james
I wonder if he realizes that while his familiar demoralization method at the right time and under the right circumstances of confusion can be rather effective (at least on me), when he then takes his “reasoning” to such new and absurd levels as he did in the post you quoted, there’s a rapid and complete shift and his posts start hammering in the very opposite effect. Is he an incompetent Hasbara operative or some sort of double agent?

Posted by: Eric | Feb 29 2020 19:04 utc | 186

@ 187 peter.. i know you have been following this closely.. it might have been you who initially shared the link with the pantzir video, but i was curious to get feedback on it and continue to appreciate your commentary on what does or doesn’t add up.. so thank you again! it was cool that S shared the idea of this being libyan footage as i didn’t think of that right off the top either.. i recall the incident you note as well from an earlier pantzier being taken out.. and i have to agree with you on the up and downside to following magneir too closely.. as i have said in the past, it is best to take all input with a grain of salt – maybe 2 depending on the source!
@ 188 eric.. good question! i am not sure so i tend to ignore him most of the time!

Posted by: james | Feb 29 2020 19:13 utc | 187

Benjamin @183.
Is that You…Nutandyahoo? How’s the indictment goin’ and what are you’re chances of winning the election in a few days?
Considering I haven’t seen your mug here the past few weeks when *b* writes about Syria, I figure you should stop b_ttf_cking Drumpf, at least for a few minutes, and concentrate on the jizz-reali stuff.
I myself, prefer the colloquial instead of the academician’s idiom.
btw, “Sticks and Stones, may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”.
Got that, benny-boy?
X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 29 2020 19:21 utc | 188

paul@184
Politics is the art of the possible, and geopolitics is certainly as well.
Of course, Putin will strike a deal with Erdogan. What is the alternative? Russia won’t go to war with Turkey over Syria, that’d be totally crazy and Putin is not a crazy man.
Russians tried that bullshit once in 1914 – over Serbia – and Russian Empire ceased to exist as a result. That lesson is ingrained in Russian psyche forever.
Putinism is not about lofty ideals, it’s an extreme pragmatism and laser focus on Russia’s national interest. Nothing more, nothing less.
And it’s certainly not in Russia’s national interest to nullify relations with Turkey because Assad has no patience to wait. He needs to focus on rebuilding the land he already has, rearming his military to the point where it can actually take on the Turks, and support the Kurdish separatism inside Turkey.
Even better – and this is a real brinkmanship that can scramble the whole chessboard in favor of Syria – he can float the possibility that Latakia and Tartus may vote to become part of Russia unless territorial integrity of Syria is promptly restored and respected.
Then even the West will start leaning on Turks to withdraw ASAP.

Posted by: Venom | Feb 29 2020 19:22 utc | 189

Egor,
“But the guy who claims to have worked there for decades and then claims Turks to be some paragons of virtue is to be ignored – unless he worked and lived in ex-pat communities in Turkey.”
You need to reread my post. I did not claim Turks were “paragons of virtue”, and have criticised Erdoğan as much as anyone on this site. I am merely stating that Turks are really no more dishonest than Europeans, including Russians.
FYI, most of my colleagues have been Turks, as well as most of my superiors. In fact, I have found the Turks better to work for than some of the Brits and Canadians I have worked for. But there were good Brits to work for, as well, and the few USAians have al been quite good to work for.
Perhaps, you and Veritas X have had bad luck or have hung out with the wrong types of people here. Afterall, if your experience is primarily Istanbul, you will experience the same sort of conmen and riff raff that you can experience in New York, London, Rome, Moscow or any large cosmopolitan city.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 29 2020 19:54 utc | 191

whether it was the syrians alone or in tandem with russia (which i agree sounds likely given the magnitude of the attack) this event raises the question: what if other entities who keep dicking around in syria faced this kind of response? imagine certain areas of the golan heights getting carpeted with ordinance…i guess russia is fine with invasion from the south for now.
unless everyone else is just biding their time until the other fronts are mostly quiet.

Posted by: the pair | Feb 29 2020 19:55 utc | 192

The good news, I think, is that the Syria war is basically now over. Did Russia cave or did it make a satisfactory (to Russia) deal? Regardless, Russia has stepped aside as Erdogan demanded. The SAA is being destroyed. Final details of Syria’s demise as an independent state will presumably be worked out over the next few days to weeks.
The bad news is that the Hegemon has now firmly established it’s right and ability to destroy any country or entity that opposes the Hegemon’s will. Well, honestly most don’t see this as bad news.

Posted by: paul | Feb 29 2020 20:23 utc | 193

paul, it is hard to read your comments as anything other then hasbara bullshit…

Posted by: james | Feb 29 2020 20:26 utc | 194

@les7 | 181
Another way of looking at it is that Turkey has been working very hard at developing drone technology for military use, maybe seeing an opportunity in the arms market and they’ve been pretty successful. I would sugeest that this latest activity has been at least partly a showcase for their drone technology …
The arms market is without doubt one that Turkey wants a significant piece of.

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 20:27 utc | 195

Oh how they play the great game!
How does one see through the fog of war?
It’s all about the economy stupid!
Erdogan cannot risk the Lira crashing,
Below that USD 6 peg.
Erdogan cannot lose all that Russian trade.
The self appointed Sultan will play both sides,
As best he can. and take as much as he can.
But make no mistake, it is all according to,
Pre-planned / agreed arrangements with Putin
The Grand Game Master.
It’s already been agreed that saa will take m4
All of the recent Turk drone footage is from
Several weeks of compiling both Syria and Libya.
Most drone attacks from Libya.
They have shot down 6 Turk drones In a week.
Turkish army is not going to risk losing its
Agreement for safe drone surveillance flights
Over Syria by arming them.
Please don’t think that Haftar can knock out 6,
But saa + Russia is only able to get 1.
Was probably 1st and only armed drone to cross
Into Syrian airspace.
If everything was not preagreed terms,
Saa would have continued East from base 111
2 weeks ago, and sealed the border crossing
And supply lines.
Not gone and taken most of the south of m4
Turks must put on a show,so takfiris don’t
Take their tunnels under the northern wall,
And not go blow up instanbul.
Now that takfiris think they are winning
Sariqib back, the ones who always planned to
Go back to Europe, have a small window to happily
Cross turkey to get trapped in the euro border
Zones, once it gets closed again after March 5
Meetings. While not dreaming of hurting their
Turkish brothers.
The fighters who are “winning sariqib”,
Shall soon be destroyed once saa starts
Counter offensive, and su34 bomb from above.
Just like they think they are currently retaking
Algarhib plain, now that saa going to focus on
Sariqib again.
Twitter owned by ussa/zio/assrahel.
Pumps up their new reaquantence sultan propaganda
Aimed at confusing the saa regulars /youngsters,
Not the 25th 4th and 5th.
Helps paint the picture better for the fog.
Erdogan accepts zio help, first thing they
Do is screw him and Target Hezbollah.
If the zio info did score him the missile hit
On saa generals, fired from Turk territory,
He got his revenge for the 40 elite commandos
Who tried venturing to far south,
PASSED THE AGREED LINE.
once saa retakes m5, and m4.
Turkish heros never betrayed takfiri head choppers.
Meanwhile the land border now closed again
After March 5 meeting. But sultan let
Head chopper have a chance, he didn’t sell
Them out. Even though they will be stuck in
What will be left of the sealed idlib killing
Zone. Only escape then, is to go fight evil
Ruskies in Libya for Turk brothers!
LOL
So obvious it is!
Ps
Russia will never attack Turkish land, that trigger
Article 5.
Syria will attack Turkish land if it were to actually
Turn into a real war.
But that will never happen, because
Long B4 then kaliber cruise missiles will
Erase the 45 something Turkish “observation points”
Aka Putin’s leverage, that are all
LEGAL Targets on Syrian land,in 5 minutes
From just the parked ships in tartus.
Causing Literally THOUSANDS OF TURKISH
TROOP LOSSES IN MINUTES, with no source
Of any Turkish recourse!
Which the majority of, are now far behind
Syrian lines!
As for all the 6000 Turkish troops that have poured
Into idleb since 2020.
They are there preventing worse chaos
Amongst the syrians stuck behind head chopper
Lines, as the saa advances.
Sure, erdogan the sultan dreams of
Keeping idlib, albab, jarblus, rojva, and the
Rest, all the way to mosul.
And he will keep it if he was Allowed.
But being Allowed to drill the entire
East med for oil and gas, and get
A carving of the Libyan oil!
All split and agreed with the
Grand Master Vlad!
That’s where the bank is at!
It’s the economy stupid!
And Vlad stands by his Allies and commitments
Assad is reclaiming every inch of Syria,
On that you can guarantee!

Posted by: BernCron | Feb 29 2020 20:32 utc | 196

Blue Dotterel | 193
I said that I understand where Veritas X is coming from which is not the same as agreement.
And I didn’t use speech marks around paragons of virtue so I was clearly not quoting you.
i live in neighbouring country so know what I am talking about eapecially given that I am also fluent in Turkish.
Now. Enough of this immature banter.

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 29 2020 20:36 utc | 197

Venom | Feb 29 2020 19:22 utc | 191
Why is it any less crazy for Turkey to go to war with Russia? I think you can make a strong case that Turkey is more dependent on Russia than the other way around. No nuclear plant, S-400, Turkstream and Bluestream pipelines, Russian Tourists, Agricultural exports …
Russia is one of the few countries (maybe the only one outside the US) that really doesn’t need anyone else. If there were no ‘trade’ they can make everything they need, including food. Russia keeps trying to make friends and generally gets a knife in the back as a reward. Especially if they keep a good relationship with China, then the rest of the World could disappear (well Germany does make some nice machine tools) and it would make no difference … in fact, better for them.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Feb 29 2020 20:40 utc | 198

“The captains of industry in England and the US were rooting hard, really hard, for Hitler to invade Russia. They would have given Hitler most of Europe just to get rid of Stalin. Stalin knew this and knew he needed time and half of Poland as a glacis against the Wehrmacht. When Hitler failed to take Moscow he realized it was over and so did the captains of industry. That’s what they got for their crazy fear of Russia. Knee deep in kaka.
Plus ca change, plus c’est le meme chose.
Posted by: Bill | Feb 29 2020 15:14 utc | 152”
++++++++++
Are you saying here that Erdo is a Hitler redux in the sense that Western powers or industrialist or financiers want Erdo to proxy for hthe West/NATO in taking on Russia? Erdo does not seem to be up to that job. Maybe I misunderstand your point, in which case, can you clarify?

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 29 2020 20:45 utc | 199

I’m intrigued by the devastating use of drones in Idlib, against the SAA by Turkey, or someone on turkey’s behalf?.. question is how are they being allowed to do that by Russia since they share the same skies.
Where was the Russian air force and what were their S400 and Migs doing, just watching??
https://southfront.org/turkish-drone-strikes-inflict-catastrophic-losses-on-syrian-army-videos/

Posted by: EtTu | Feb 29 2020 20:55 utc | 200