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February 04, 2020

Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results

Unprecedented cybersecurity measures being taken to safeguard Iowa caucus results - Jan 29 2020

No one knows how many of Iowa’s 1,700 precinct leaders will opt to use a new smartphone app to report Democratic caucus results Monday night. But the security of that app will be the source of much scrutiny.

After reports of Russian hacking attempts in the 2016 presidential election, party leaders are taking unprecedented precautions to protect against cybersecurity breaches and the spread of disinformation on social media.

On Wednesday, Democratic Party officials in Iowa and Washington confirmed that the Democratic National Committee is deploying security staff to work with the state party to assist with any caucus problems.

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Democratic Party @DNC - 22:16 UTC · Feb 3, 2020
For three years, we’ve been preparing for the process that officially kicks off tonight in Iowa: the Democratic presidential primary. Today our chair, @TomPerez, reflects on the reforms we’ve made to make this the most transparent primary in our history: How We Prepared for 2020
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NPR Politics @nprpolitics - 5:33 UTC · Feb 4, 2020

"By all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious," Pete Buttigieg said in a late-night speech.
0% of Iowa caucus results are in.

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Walker Bragman @WalkerBragman - 5:59 UTC · Feb 4, 2020

Not great optics here, folks:
- Dems paid company literally called Shadow to create caucus app
- Buttigieg campaign also paid Shadow, FEC records show
- Caucus app fails
- Buttigieg declares himself Iowa winner with no results

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Pro-Israel Buttigieg backer Seth Klarman is top funder of group behind Iowa’s disastrous voting app

At the time of publication, twelve hours after voting in the Democratic Party’s Iowa caucuses ended, the results have not been announced. The delay in reporting is the result of a failed app developed by a company appropriately named Shadow Inc.

This firm was staffed by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama campaign veterans and created by a Democratic dark money nonprofit backed by hedge fund billionaires including Seth Klarman. A prolific funder of pro-settler Israel lobby organizations, Klarman has also contributed directly to Pete Buttigieg’s campaign.

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The Sanders campaign published its internal count from some 40% of the precincts which they say are representative. Their unofficial result:

Sanders - 30%; Buttigieg - 25%; Warren - 21%; Biden - 12%; Klobucher - 11%; all others < 1%

What a clusterfuck.

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Sorry Circe, you are wrong. I voted for Jill Stein last go around. And I wished here recently that Sanders had taken her offer to share the Green ticket with her, as I did when she offered that as well. I do have a sign waiting in my sunroom to prove it (the other side says "We Are the 99 percent", so it's a good sign.) It will go out next to my driveway with whomever the Greens have on their ticket come fall. It's true I've hoped the current occupant of the White House would listen to his better angels this term. But he lost me when he assassinated the generals. That's when I said I would no longer publicly speak of him by name. Small gesture I know, but perhaps that is what you refer to? No, I don't support him.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 5 2020 0:42 utc | 201

Just curious Circe, but is your hatred of Trump so overwhelming that you will now begin to demand that we support the obvious CIA stooge Butt-gig?

Now that we know beyond doubt that the Democrats are as crooked as a dog's hind leg, what's your suggestion for a path forward? Do you think we can do as the Mexicans did with AMLO and steamroll Sanders into the White House through sheer overwhelming numbers? Do you think enough Americans have hit that second level of "woke" necessary to do pull that off?

I don't think we are there yet, and I believe people being hung up with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" holds us back from getting there.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2020 0:51 utc | 202

Lex @195 - you have just outed yourself as a "clueless one; "The whole socialist experiment seems to have been an absolute failure in the former Soviet Union". First and foremost the US and a few select western Europe countries made, managed, and broke "the USSR". The reason is because there was/is no other Country that threatens the US "right" to the lions share of what this planet has to offer. Also the US was a social democracy .... roughly, kinda, for a brief period after WWII which is what everyone is referring to when they talk about "when America was Great".

There is no 'ism that has ever been allowed to thrive in the strickist terms unless you want to talk about Corporatism.

We stand at the precipice and must decide SOCIALISM OR BARBARISM! and it looks like it's going to get ugly.

Posted by: jef | Feb 5 2020 0:57 utc | 203

just realized how vague my last comment was in relation to this...anyhoo...

an oddly decent dig into "shadow inc" on salon of all places:

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/04/meet-the-people-behind-shadow-inc-the-tech-company-that-botched-the-iowa-caucus/

in addition to their other dubious ties, they've got clinton and apple folks on board.

Posted by: the pair | Feb 5 2020 1:18 utc | 204

The Democratic implosion that we are witnessing makes Trump a shoo-in for the 2020 Presidential election.

Sanders has said nothing about what is happening in Iowa.

It's long-past time to abandon the Sanders sheepdog for real and independent Movement(s). Like the Yellow Vests. That is the ONLY way to restore democracy, guaranty peace, reign in Oligarchs, and save our planet from environmental devastation.

Who benefits if we remain lazy, apathetic, and uncaring? Zionist Death Cult shitheads and greed Empire-oligarchs.

What kind of world do you want to leave your kids?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 1:33 utc | 205

Thanks Jef @ 205! I didn't out myself though. I have never tried to present myself as anything here. I'm just a curious person. That's why I read. I simply stated my opinion from having read a few things about life under socialism and talked to people who got to experience it first hand. I'm sure a few people in Kazakhstan or some of the other former Soviet republics may disagree with you about who broke who with the USSR. But what do I know?
We live in a socialist country here in the USA. Our socialism is just reserved for the banks and corporations via bailouts and tax breaks paid for by the likes of "clueless ones" like me.

And thank you pft for the links. I look forward to checking out your suggestions for further research into money matters.

Posted by: lex t (clueless one) | Feb 5 2020 1:44 utc | 206

Posted by: Pft | Feb 5 2020 0:25 utc | 201
Try this out from M. Hudson's "and forgive them their debts" book:

Remarking on compound interest: "...That is the basic dynamic of debt: to accrue and intrude increasingly into the economy, absorbing the surplus and transferring land and even the personal liberty of debtors to creditors."

Seems a very workable understanding of economic reality on Earth, as well known to Bronze Age [ca 3500 - 1000 BC] scribes! Note that its "workability" inherently suggests a workable remedy.

And that is on page xi. Have not yet reached page 1.

Posted by: chu teh | Feb 5 2020 1:55 utc | 207

karlof1@176

Thanks for the reply.

I'm still chipping away at Hudson. Looks like it will necessitate a couple of runs through to absorb it all (or a good portion thereof).

I got more interested in the subject from a recent second dip into Mullins' 'Secrets of the Federal Reserve'. From it I had surmised that "the Fed Act was 100% unnecessary..." as you remarked about Hudsons' thesis. I would go much further and say that I see it as a coup (or an act of illegal war, of the same ilk as contemporary USA sanctions against Venezuela, Iran, Russia, Bolivia, Syria, etc, & so on.

I shall continue reading. Cheers.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 5 2020 2:06 utc | 208

lex t @208

The Soviet Union didn't "collapse" economically. It just sort of progressively gave up (the Nomenclatura wanted Western wealth/privilege and handed power to the west - they didn't care about oridinary Soviet workers). The economic problems arose during the western "rape" of Russia during the nineties (after the collapse of the Soviet Union).

Many of the new developments that we hear about (e.g. the supersonic weapons, the air defence systems, Nuclear Power without Nuclear waste [reprocessing Nuclear waste until nothing remains]) have their roots in the Soviet Union.

Economically the Soviet Union was in a better position than the US. The US economy is just a gigantic ponzi schme that many believe cannot go on much longer (e.g. 6.6 trillion dollars have been printed to bail-out financial insitutions since Spent 2019 and no end or limit is in sight).

Posted by: ADKC | Feb 5 2020 2:09 utc | 209

Circe #116

Thanks for that post. I share your rage.

The USA has been hijacked by murderous thieving scumbags and they are not simply 'ziofascists' (and they like it when you say that word as it helps them) many are just plain murderous thieving scumbags of many religion, race or none. It is an alliance of evil. Just as it was in Venice in the 1500's and 1600's and then some.

It is an interesting beginning but don't miss the point here. The dark side have just chucked creepy joe into the dustbin of history.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 5 2020 2:19 utc | 210

hey don't worry, Prez Trump just told us America is number one in everything! And he just introduced the true president of Venezula to Congress, too, senor Rothschild.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 2:29 utc | 211

Ziofascist Trump invited Guaido to the State of the Union. It seems Trump has plans to complete the coup in Venezuela in his 2nd term. And of course in the same breath he brought up socialism.

MEDDLING ORANGE DESPOT.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 5 2020 2:39 utc | 212

So completely as expected amerikans, to quote that old song "all want to go to heaven but nobody wants to die".
Y'all wanna live in a better society but don't want to do the work to make it happen. I used to laugh like a drain when usuk stooges would point out how much better their societies were because everyone got a vote, but the pinkos in China & reds in the Soviet Union didn't get a vote blah blah, completely ignoring the fact that both Soviet & China citizens did get to vote with the old tick the box thing but that wasn't nearly as important as the votes all Soviet citizens of any age got in the Great Patriotic war and Chinese citizens got during the cultural revolution where everyone was given the opportunity to pick up a fly swatter, shovel or pen and join in building a better society.
Take the time to hunt out footage of the defense preparations for the battle of Kursk, 1943 - y'know the one you've barely heard of where more than 1 million Russians Ukrainians & other soviet citizens moved an average of 30 cubic metres of soil building trenches tank traps & digging in artillery in the months leading up to the nazi attack. The nazis got done like a dinner in the last offensive battle they fought on the eastern front; after that it was all retreat, retreat for the loathsome nazis until the Soviets finished 'em off in the battle of Berlin 1945.

That is real voting which cannot be 'miscounted' or lost. Working with compatriots to build a better tomorrow is the truest, most effective & accurate election that there can be.

If lazyarse amerikans don't wanna do the hard yakka , then nothing will change - nor should it.


Naifs imagine that Sanders will win the eventual outcome of Iowa, a laughable notion. Of course he won't. When they inflated Buttigieg's vote, thereby contradicting every poll with an increase of 12+ points on all candidates' own internal polling and Sanders stayed schtum, the zionists knew they had the deal in the bag. If Sanders was gonna make a complaint that hoped to change anything, he would have done it the instant the preliminary results were released.
The rort can go in hard now, because after tonight anything to do with Iowa is old news - nobody in the media cares a jot about.
Every scam the Perez's mob pulls off creates the opportunity for the next rort. If mayor cheat won big in Iowa it is only natural he will win big in New Hampshire, then the next one etc.
Sanders' quiet acquiescence can only mean one of two things- either he is in on it, or he is as thick as two short planks. It doesn't matter which one since either option marks him as a useless tool, incapable of effecting change.
Not that anyone will agree 'cos its 'too hard man' - much easier just to tick a box then wail, gnash teeth etc when the same result as usual is the upshot, eh!

The slugs have decided that Biden is too much of a liability vis a vis campaigning against Trump who would have a whale of a time shouting "lock him up" etc, so now they're fetting behind the pooftah. What a suprise a candidate who is gonna be deeply indebted to every dem hack in existence should he win the nomination - just like Oblamblam was.

Posted by: A User | Feb 5 2020 2:42 utc | 213

A User @215

A pretty good summary by A User/Debs.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 2:54 utc | 214

The Android operating system uses the Linux kernel, but allows phone manufacturers to do their own updating, which requires "root privileges" and so exposes the whole system to whatever the manufacturers put in there. As a consequence, ALL Android phones can be easily hacked, and should be kept ONLY for non-secure purposes. Definitely NOT for collating election statistics.

Why didn't the Democrats write their app for a secure Linux desktop PC? Stupidity, I expect.

Posted by: Palloy | Feb 5 2020 2:57 utc | 215

Amazing title!
I would be laughing if the situation was not dire.
These are make or break elections, not for the US, for the whole planet. Literally. People will have a very hard time to grasp what is about to come afterwards.

CNN admits Sanders won and that "Houston we have a problem" with Biden.
"Ex advisor to Obama: Biden has a big problem"
https://youtu.be/j2FvAoAUacM
Body language: He is lieing.

Also CNN: "Apology from Democratic official"
https://youtu.be/ndftfHoUv1M

Nina Simone couldn't have said it better in "Mississippi goddamn"
https://youtu.be/LJ25-U3jNWM

"Oh but this whole country is full of lies
We are all gonna die and die like flies
I don't trust you any more
You keep on saying 'Go slow!'
'Go slow!'
Mississippi goddam"

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 2:59 utc | 216

Error posting. Should have posted:

CNN: "Apology from Democratic official" Body language: He is lieing.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 3:03 utc | 217

Circe #116

Well get over it! Whether you like it or not: SANDERS IS COMING FOR TRUMP!

Thanks again Circe and can I support your view ABSOLUTELY. I guess the DNC will grievously cheat Bernie and every one of his supporters until the end of time or the mob occupies their office and trashes it entirely.

1968 Chicago convention comes to mind. (if I got that right)

Whatever the main point is that elections and primaries are just another abject capitalist shakedown hustle and lots of leaches have their tongues in the bowl being drip fed $$$. So they just keep working for the man or women who rewards. Its a cash cow to be milked nothing more as far as they are concerned. I HATE the evil material extortion of compassion that is contemporary US politics and its craven lying cheating mendacity. But that is what has to be burned to the ground somehow.

If Bernie gets cheated this time then maybe he will be on the campaign supporting another challenger's assault on the mechanism of pure evil in four more years. More strength to your arm.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 5 2020 3:07 utc | 218

There's an old saying in Persian (Farsi) that is used to describe a general fustercluck that is perfect for this situation. It literally translates to "Donkey Inside Donkey"...

Posted by: liveload | Feb 5 2020 3:11 utc | 219

"ALL Android phones can be easily hacked, and should be kept ONLY for non-secure purposes. Definitely NOT for collating election statistics.

Posted by: Palloy | Feb 5 2020 2:57 utc | 217

YOU MEAN WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

Forbes: "Multimillionaire surveilance dealer and his Whatsapp hacking van"
https://youtu.be/Tl3mpywMYFA

If you been in Cyprus last 3 years chances are they also downloaded your whole smartphone OS and imaged it, just by being 500 meters near your location. Obviously they can use the data for creating realistic personas uploading them to "Cybereason" like crisis scenario digital simulations.

Mossad's Skynet.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 3:21 utc | 220

>I still remember sitting at my desk watching some young
>upstart senator from Illinois give the keynote speech
>at the 2004 democratic national convention and thinking
>"welp, here's the guy who they're going to make our next president"...
>Posted by: information_agent | Feb 4 2020 20:45 utc | 142

Me too! It was so weird, the way the "color commentators" were gushing over the Oblamblam speech made it obvious that the fix was in. It was soon obvious to me that he was an empty suit hired to carry out orders.

"I'm not against wars - just stupid wars". Remember that?

Not to mention that he got a Nobel "Peace" Prize, just for winning an election, as far as I could tell.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 3:23 utc | 221

the primary was not only FUBAR but also perhaps the greatest waste of money in any election. About 800 million dollars was spent in Iowa by the Democrats at a cost of about $5,000/vote. Meanwhile, Bloomberg has spent 250 million and is focused on the Super Tuesday states.

What a waste of money that could have been spent on social programs of needy Americans.

Posted by: krollchem | Feb 5 2020 3:23 utc | 222

This Iowa Caucus is a example of American "democracy" in general: a rigged sham that depends upon the Orwellian spin of America's Mighty Wurlizter (aka the American "Free Press") to give it even threadbare legitimacy.

The best response to American elections and "democracy" is this: bemused contempt.

Either that, or grab a big bag of popcorn and watch the fireworks as the American Empire politically implodes.

As Malcolm X once said, American democracy is "Nothing but Disguised Hypocrisy"!

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 5 2020 3:32 utc | 223

My understanding is that the precincts where the results were most fouled up are Sanders strongholds - as one would expect. These were left to last, it seems, in the Iowa Democratic Party recount, or whatever it was, presumably so that the DNC can swoop in and manipulate them overnight. If that's the case, then we will see what happens tomorrow with Sanders. It looks like Sanders got caught in the Democratic Party's corporatist/neoliberal establishment's bear trap, the trap set for him. But is it possible that Sanders has them in his bear trap? If rigged results come out tomorrow, Sanders should come back swinging, with cold hard facts that he has organized his Iowa campaign to gather. Sanders should have the DNC dead to rights.

Step up Bernie.

Posted by: paul | Feb 5 2020 3:35 utc | 224

Karlof1
"The use of America in place of USA began prior to 1776 "
+++++++++++++
Uh, there was no USA prior to 1776.
So it would be natural to refer to the continent, or perhaps to individual colonies.
So yours is a silly comment. Sorry!
Usages change when there is pressure to change them.

No need to apologize to me ("Sorry!"), since you are not in charge.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 5 2020 3:35 utc | 225

Folks are mentioning the 2004 Obama keynote speech. I too thought that speech was an indication that the fix was in for 2008. Buttigieg has the same smell to him.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 5 2020 3:40 utc | 226

paul @ 228 writes: "If rigged results come out tomorrow, Sanders should come back swinging, with cold hard facts that he has organized his Iowa campaign to gather."

Those "cold hard facts" and fifty cents would buy Bernie a phone call, if there were still pay phones, to one of the many organs of the Mainstream Media that have no interest in anything he might have to say.

What's Bernie going to do -- fight it in court? His 2017 case against Debbie Wasserman Schultz's Florida vote rigging shows no sign of a ruling before the Second Coming. He wouldn't live long enough to see a ruling in any case based on the Iowa clusterfuck.

Posted by: corvo | Feb 5 2020 3:41 utc | 227

"juliania

Don't try to hide your Trump addiction behind the Green party. It's laughable. You've shown every card in your deck; you're that transparent."

+++++++++++++
Circe doesn't take hints.
Circe, you are obnoxious.
Back off. Stop using all caps. Just calm down.
It is not about YOU.
Are you 16?
Never been kissed, I expect.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 5 2020 3:45 utc | 228

IMO, Sander's silence speaks volumes about his character, or lack thereof. Similar to a previous performance, eh?

To quote A User: Sanders' quiet acquiescence can only mean one of two things- either he is in on it, or he is as thick as two short planks. It doesn't matter which one since either option marks him as a useless tool, incapable of effecting change.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 3:46 utc | 229

Just like how Huawei gear is "unsafe" because it blocks all backdoors by design, paper-only voting is also "obsolete" because it prevents rigging of the domestic kind.

Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2020 3:50 utc | 230

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 2:59 utc | 218

Although not much time is spent talking about it, the first CNN clip clearly shows that Sanders won the popular vote (delegates notwithstanding):

https://youtu.be/j2FvAoAUacM

Can't he play this up a bit?


slightly OT: Nina Simone, too? This bar has the best jukebox!

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 5 2020 3:55 utc | 231


A User @215

A pretty good summary by A User/Debs.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 2:54 utc | 216
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You mean "a pretty good narrative". "Ohh Sanders is just in on it! Yeah that's it"

As MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow (madcow) said the voting procedure chaos in Iowa is a showstoper for any candidate that got a surprise vote meaning obviously Bernie Sanders.
Sanders can choose to tone it down and proceed from there as to not deter newer voters away in other statea. Polls showed Sanders got BOTH popular and newest voters approval in Iowa.

So he got the "showstoper" treatment from the joint Mossad/Lockheed Martin cyber-frawd team in the DNC servers cause these guys want MOAR WAR and since Israel is about to goble up the whole US Tactical Reconnaissance program which is mostly super expensive Black Projects payed in full by unsuspected US tax payers and install it in Saudi Arabia and lay devastation in whole ME, Iran, China, Afghanistan, North Africa, Russia, the Mediterranean, Turkey so they can raise the Yinon project from the old worlds ashes.

How's that for a narrative rabbit-boy?

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 3:56 utc | 232

farm ecologist | Feb 5 2020 3:55 utc | 234

He did.
Nina said it best. Lyrics are amazing. :)

Immediatelly after 2016 US elections there was a satirical futuristic distopian movie about how the US will end up, titled: "Death Race 2050"
Malcolm McDowell played the silly haircut orange head chairman of the goernment/corporation, an obvious refference to "Donald Trump"...

Enjoy!

Signing off from the sunny land of a future "Area 53". Qparticle.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 4:16 utc | 233

It's post state of the union. Everyone is showing the gif of Pelosi tearing up Trump's speech....An African American author had this to say:

She shouldn’t have torn it up.

She should have had it mounted, Framed,
Hung in the Smithsonian.
It was a beautiful elegy
A memorial
A newer testament

Every empire dies, but...

We rarely get to see the suicide note.

Posted by: Ruben Chandler | Feb 5 2020 4:53 utc | 234

a massive political fight like one not seen since 1860 must happen... by: karlof1 @ 145 <== maybe, but many have discovered change not likely to be found by appointing different puppets to the same 527 constitutional positions. realizing government itself, not its actors in charge, is the problem. <= Colin Powell exposed to the masses how "current government" cheerleads, for the elite. <=wonder if Epstein had anything to do with that speech?

Authoritarianism scheduled to replace capitalism and democracy; pandemics, financial crashes, wars, climate scares [and discredit .by Pft @158 ] are redirects to mask the election of savior Satan.. by: Pft 153 <== I suggest not top down authoritarianism but bottom up democracy is the likely outcome. I am optimistic .

for get all competing agenda focus on antiwar... krollchem @ 155. Yes merge the vote of the masses to one narrative <=no more wars. if you think voting will change things. I don't.

Change cannot come out of a ballot box! A User @ 157 <= it can in a democracy..but Americans are ruled by a republic. . Obama's platform was Change, and Trump promise the same.. check trumps pockets you might find the electoral college there. .

Sasha @ 155 says "Bernie seems the only option" <=u mean like landing down-wind on a short runway?

Actually, the use of "America" instead of "United States" marks a profound shift in the country's view of itself and the world. The introduction of the use of "America" for the USA had imperial, propagandistic overtones. Aware writers should make a point of using the country's actual name. by: Really?? @ 163.. <==I agree .. the constitution appointed its "527 choosen few to govern the mass of deplorables. Propaganda merged 350,000,000 Americans+with 527 governors to make a 350,000,527 USA. The potential of a separate but unequal defines a republic.. ..

{If the USA fails], it will not end well for America by: Kadath @ 167 <= never fear, Putin is here.

The use of America in place of USA.. has been out of the corral far too long by: karlof1 @ 168 <= it might be just be the opposite it has been out long enough for people to realize the mistake.

Karlof1 <="The use of America in place of USA began prior to 1776 " by: Really?? @ 228 <= but there were two governments that used that same name. One the Articles of Confederation government [1776-1789] and the other a constitutional Republic [1789 - to present].

I who am an American,It doesn't matter what [nation state rules].."by: Vintage Red @ 179, <=welcome ISIS your next government.

I think the defining moment of kleptocratic/oligarchic rule becoming the status quo was the Federal Reserve Act (1913). by: Jon_in_AU @ 170 <== No the defining moment was the coup that lead to the constitution of the USA, it regime changed the true American democracy driven by states rights, which defeated the British in 1776-78 [<=11 American presidents served under that Articles of Confederation government[1776-1789], the first was Jon Hanson [President of the United States in Congress Assembled], this was before the Philadelphia gang wrote their constitution in 1787.] The Constitution of the United States, actually separates governed Americans from their government<=those who rule from those who ruled. Basically the Constitution reduced Americans to spectators, imposed rule of law and conscripted the spectators to serve the pleasures of the few.

This stinks. by: Circe @ 174 <= that's what they all say.. but never do they do anything to fix it.

We stand at the precipice and must decide SOCIALISM OR BARBARISM! .by: jef @ 205 < You might add a democracy to your socialism and barbarism set of choices.. As I said above never fear, Putin is here. Retiring he is 2024. he has lots of experience reorganizing after failed situations.

As Malcolm X once said, American democracy is "Nothing but Disguised Hypocrisy"! by: ak74 @ 226 <= Malcolm X refers to the USA democracy, American democracy was cut off in 1789.

Posted by: snake | Feb 5 2020 5:09 utc | 235

Qparticle @235: ... So he got the Showstoper treatment ... How's that for a narrative rabbit-boy?

Well, since you asked:

1) Any narrative that builds on info from Rachel Maddow is suspect.

2) Your narrative fails because it relies on something that is in dispute: Sanders trustworthiness.

Sanders was "in on it" in 2016. And his silence about Iowa suggests that he's "in on it" now. You haven't written anything that convinces us otherwise.

3) Your narrative is contradictory.

You want it both ways. You want us to believe that Sanders is trustworthy even as you prepare us for Sanders acting in a way that differs from how a trustworthy public figure would act.

To win and keep our trust, Sanders can not "tone it down and proceed from there". That is a calculating move for political gain, not something we expect from a truth-teller and man of high principle.

It's really difficult to believe that Sanders is genuine if he doesn't fight back.


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 5:15 utc | 236

It's funny people bringing up Oblamblam's keynote speech in 2004, cos Annie and a coupla other of the once plentiful caucus of MoA women commented on it in here as being the next big chance for the dems - at long last - nothing like W Clinton etc, so I raced to find a vid of his speech and watch it. A couple of minutes in I realised that all I was hearing was the usual pol prevarications. Maybe it was just the first time anyone saw/heard an african american pol with the same slick spiel as a JFK or Clinton that caused the false hope.

Posted by: A User | Feb 5 2020 5:27 utc | 237

re Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 3:56 utc | 235 who misrepresented:
"You mean "a pretty good narrative". "Ohh Sanders is just in on it! Yeah that's it"".
I wonder if you would care to point out where I said Sanders is just in on it" I actually said that he is either as stupid as all get up or he's happy to go along with it, somethin I will argue forever and a day as it is the only rational explanation for his behavior. Trying to excuse him as not wanting to scare voters is laughable because as 'the bern' knows from '16 it will only get worse from here on. Iowa was his big chance to settle the shit by rising to the challenge in a way that won't attract the attention it would in a more populous state.

Not that it matters, since blind Freddie can see that an election where a genuine agent of change can win is an impossibility. The system has been engineered from scratch to ensure that should never happen.

Posted by: A User | Feb 5 2020 5:42 utc | 238

re Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 3:56 utc | 235 who misrepresented:
"You mean "a pretty good narrative". "Ohh Sanders is just in on it! Yeah that's it"".
I wonder if you would care to point out where I said Sanders is just in on it" I actually said that he is either as stupid as all get up or he's happy to go along with it, somethin I will argue forever and a day as it is the only rational explanation for his behavior. Trying to excuse him as not wanting to scare voters is laughable because as 'the bern' knows from '16 it will only get worse from here on. Iowa was his big chance to settle the shit by rising to the challenge in a way that won't attract the attention it would in a more populous state.

Not that it matters, since blind Freddie can see that an election where a genuine agent of change can win is an impossibility. The system has been engineered from scratch to ensure that should never happen.

Posted by: A User | Feb 5 2020 5:42 utc | 239

The headline is worthy of “The Onion.” At the same time, it says all you need to know about the integrity of the Democratic Party leadership. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any way to get rid of them. Like a creature in a horror film, they never die.

Posted by: Rob | Feb 5 2020 5:48 utc | 240

snake@238

Thanks for the feedback.
I may have been a bit closer to the mark if I had applied the moniker "Internationalist bankster cabal" to describe goons du jour of the period I was referring to.

I feel quite certain that (at least in the eyes of the indigenous peoples) the rot of the empire was already well set in by 1789.

I feel sorry for the thinking & feeling sub-culture among the US citizenry. The government in Australia is quite likely the worst since Federation (1901), but they are rather irrelevant to most of the human diaspora. The USA, however, is deadly-dangerous and "has form". Incredibly disheartening, it must be.

Cheers.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 5 2020 5:50 utc | 241

Posted by: corvo | Feb 5 2020 3:41 utc | 230

"What's Bernie going to do -- fight it in court?"

No. (Well yes file a suit, but only for show.)

If he were for real and not the sheep-dogging fraud he really is, he'd unequivocally retract his pledge to support the Democrat nominee and promise an independent campaign if he's robbed a second time.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 5 2020 6:14 utc | 242

Posted by: Daniel | Feb 4 2020 23:42 utc | 190

"Bringing a knife to a gunfight is not a good strategy."

For Sanders to bring even a knife would be an improvement over the lollipop he's brought so far.

Unless you mean a butter knife for the corn muffins he's now baking to bring to Buttigeg/Bloomberg/Hillary when he joins in anointing whichever of those ends up being the candidate.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 5 2020 6:16 utc | 243

@corvo #230:

His 2017 case against Debbie Wasserman Schultz's Florida vote rigging shows no sign of a ruling before the Second Coming.

Wait, didn’t the court rule that the DNC has a right to cheat during a nomination process?

Posted by: S | Feb 5 2020 7:26 utc | 244

Jackrabbit #238

It's really difficult to believe that Sanders is genuine if he doesn't fight back.

Well, I'd say IMPOSSIBLE to believe if Sanders will not fight back and loudly call it for a fraud, a dirty corrupt fraud.

But there is another thing. Consider how deep the fraud is when prior to Iowa and for the last months Biden has topped every poll up until the last week when suddenly 'Bernie is surging'. How's that for a rapid cover up of months of rigged reporting on 'polls'. (Almost) Every media outlet in lockstep with Biden lead and Bernie somewhere behind.

If it smells like a turd and looks like a turd then it sure aint independent corporate journalism. The outcome of Iowa when compared to the constant polls is a mighty loud alarm.

So Sanders has to kick hard or piss off. That is the only barometer in my kit that I can rely on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 5 2020 7:56 utc | 245

2+2=5

Posted by: Alan Coovert | Feb 5 2020 7:57 utc | 246

one humbly thinks that to tab up the votes one can use Excel or OpenOffice or Google Docs

one humbly thinks there should NOT be any complexity in developing a votes tabbing application

at least if tabbing those votes remains its only function

but what does one know about elections in USA...

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 5 2020 8:35 utc | 247

I'll be godamned!
Iowa Election Chaos seems like exactly what happened with this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyriakos_Mitsotakis

that in another country got elected as a primary candidate for his party back in 2015, to represent in later national elections, that eventually won in July 7 2019! Like exactly! Results took days, apps were faulty, everyone cried "frawd".. but nobody was able to prove anything too.
Where was this guy during Iowa elections? He was on an abroad trip to Saudi Arabia meeting with the "sawman" it seems. Delivering a fully callibrated and working Patriot air defence missile system to the prince, from his own country's arsenal... WHAT?

Wait what's that sound outside the window...must be the wind!
-Wind whistling: "Look heed Martian"...

WHAT?

-Wind whistling again: "Lookheed Martin"....

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 8:39 utc | 248

Jackrabbit A User ok let's say I agree.
Who's your pick though?

I bet would not be Biden - Tulsi right?
Right?

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 8:54 utc | 249

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so even more black people will stay at home this election. I.e., he's being funded so identity politics can trash the Democratic primaries. Lots of people are offended by his mere existence.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 4 2020 22:39 utc | 181
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Bullseye!

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 9:04 utc | 250

Response to comment 116:
If he gets the nomination I congratulate him. But as a leftist politically I cannot support a person who claims to be of one party and aligns with another. My grandfather fucking hated shit like that. It's akin to treason politically. Please take it easy with the flag waving, Sanders is not the antiwar healthcare for all panacea you fanboys make him out to be. If that's not enough, he is on the record calling the late, great Hugo Chávez Frías "a dead communist dictator" that's a nasty little bit of ignorance. Chavez was no commie. And venezuela's elections put amerikkka to shame. So don't just get upset with 'trump supporters' no 'international socialist' would support bernie. The reason? He does not qualify as one

Posted by: Abu Aisha | Feb 5 2020 9:19 utc | 251

Why any USAian would vote Democrat OR Republican is amazing to me. Yes, USAians should vote, but never, ever for any Democrat or Republican. Anyone but.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 9:21 utc | 252

re: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 8:54 utc | 251
my pick is fairly straightforward - none of the above,

over the course of my existence when I've seen the type of human I want as leader either mysteriously die or be unconstitutionally dismissed , I say "none of the above" The electoral system across our planet has been so corrupted and distorted by the amerikan empire, the only conclusion any halfway honest citizen anywhere can possibly determine is that change is needed - badly. but the only way to arrive at a change that will satisfy citizens is to ensure that such change actually occurs outside the reality which corrupt citizens of all stripes have cruelly distorted - the core beliefs of any/all those community driven organisations where the corrupt greedy arseholes who still fancy their chances, believe will 'come out" for them, and so have therefore corrupted further.

Posted by: A User | Feb 5 2020 9:32 utc | 253

Here's a decent piece denouncing Sanders from the pov of seeing him as a Corbyn type, sincere but stupid and cowardly. That's not how I see him, but I agree on what a sincere fighter would have done, if that's what Sanders was.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/05/after-iowa-does-bernie-have-what-it-takes/

"There are those who would say that Bernie is respecting the process in Iowa..."

Yes, no doubt the same who said he needed to respect the process and pass up campaigning in order to attend to his geek "senatorial duties" at the impeachment geekshow.

But then, I suppose being a Sanders fan would tend to go existentially with being domesticated and housebroken where it comes to things like "respecting processes." If one were even a little daring one would renounce the Democratic Party once and for all and at least become a Green.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 5 2020 10:32 utc | 254

A User @239 Re: "Kill List" Obomber's speech.

People were seeing what they wanted to see in Obomber, what they desperately hoped to see. I know I saw Malcom X who was toning down his rhetoric to not scare off the soccer moms. I knew he was secretly a revolutionary who was planning to explode the system from inside because how could an intelligent Black man who even spent time as a community organizer be a tool of the establishment? Sure, that "community organizer" bit was all show as I later learned, but back then it seemed legit.

I was played, no doubt about it, but 2008 was the last time I ever voted Democrat. I talk up support for Sanders, but that's just strategic. There is no chance of him getting the nomination so it is not like I'll have to vote Democrat anyway. Sanders' campaign is changing the discourse in America and we need that. As a recent example, the Sanders' campaign co-chair Nina Turner just called oligarch Mike Bloomberg an oligarch on national TV. That one event shifted the Overton Window and added to the vocabulary usable in public discussion. People can now use terminology with negative connotations to talk about wealthy American power brokers, which is definitely not something that the wealthy power brokers running the show are happy about.

Maybe these gains are too small to be getting excited over, but there is immense latent desire for radical change in American society so these little gains are hard for the elites to roll back right now. These little gains are adding up and compounding. The pressure is building. That pressure could just as easily lead to a fascist explosion as to a socialist one, but little gains like this could help steer things in a productive direction rather than a destructive one.

At least that is what I am holding out hope for.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2020 11:19 utc | 255

Looks like fraud has won in Iowa: 70% votes revealed, and the candidate who was 5% above the second place one according to the latest polls (and rising), is more than 1% behind.

--//--

This is gold:

Trump delivers right-wing tirade against socialism in State of the Union address

“In just three short years,” Trump declared, “we have shattered the mentality of American decline and we have rejected the downsizing of America’s destiny. We have totally rejected the downsizing,” he said. “We are moving forward at a pace that was unimaginable just a short time ago and we are never going back.”

The real content of the “recovery” Trump boasted of was his declaration that “United States stock markets have soared 70 percent.”

Don't laugh now, there's more:

“Socialism destroys nations,” Trump declared. He added, “One hundred thirty-two lawmakers in this room have endorsed legislation to impose a socialist takeover of our healthcare system… To those watching at home tonight, I want you to know: We will never let socialism destroy American healthcare!”

Funnily, this seems to have been the part tha pissed off Nancy Pelosi the most (if we are to trust the author's report):

He further denounced the “radical left” for wanting to “provide unlimited free healthcare” for immigrants. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who stood behind Trump, was quick to disassociate the Democrats from this position by declaring “not true.”

All of this is simply hilarious. I've already have Trump's first speech saved in my computer in written form. If it keeps coming, I'll hang them in my wall for posteriority.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 11:51 utc | 256

To Circe.
So they stole Bernie's nomination by ruse and trickery.So what stops you with your supermotivated sanders supporters to go out and trash the DNC building,and some rogue media?.Go out in the street and show yourselves to the united state citizens,claim your victory in a color revolution.Be water,be yellow vest,I'll back you.

For me as an european,the thing that I understand less,is that all those fellas are in the same political party,when their views are completely opposite.

Posted by: willie | Feb 5 2020 12:45 utc | 257

Russ | Feb 5 2020 6:16 utc | 245 Knife/gunfight

There's an important exception to the advice. Always carry a knife to a gunfight. That way after the shooting you can plant the knife on the dead guy. It's simply essential to the con that the victim takes the blame. It's better if he shoot himself twice in the back though. That sends a message the the living, if they're not too stupid. Like Dallas.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 13:11 utc | 258

Posted by: willie | Feb 5 2020 12:45 utc | 259

"For me as an european,the thing that I understand less,is that all those fellas are in the same political party,when their views are completely opposite."

The answer is that these are all pro-system people whose real political wants are pretty much the same. They're all more or less pro-status quo, all essentially conservative right-wingers, all elitists, all Earth-rapers, all pro-corporate, pro-technocracy, pro-war, pro-police state, etc. The only real difference is in self-image and preferences of tone and style.

A liberal prefers to be all these things while deluding themselves that they're some kind of socially enlightened "good person". They convince themselves of this by acting and talking in a way different from the scabrous deplorables, and by supporting the same ideology and policy goals but with trivial narcissism of the smallest differences.

Thus they separate into Republicans and Democrats and are ready to throttle one another over whether the number of angels which can dance on the head of a pin is 96 or 97. To anyone outside the cult, this is no difference at all (not to mention that there are no angels and they wouldn't dance on pins if they did exist).

In the same way, among the liberals themselves there's a similar non-difference between those whose style preference leads them to become "progressives" as opposed to those whose preference is more openly corporate liberal, cruise missile liberal, prosecutor liberal etc. Again they actually want the same outcomes in the end (anyone who truly wanted so-called progressive outcomes would never look for them in the right-wing Democratic Party), but in the meantime they throttle one another over those dancing angels.

If this weren't the case, it would never be possible for Sanders to muster his fake "movement" (twice now!). If that many people truly wanted a different outcome and had won steps toward it, they never would settle for being sheep-dogged in the end, or even just going home to sulk. They'd get real and start doing the real work of building a real anti-mainstream movement from the soil up.

In the same way, Bush stole nothing from Gore; Gore and his supporters won the election and then 100% of their own free will they handed it over. Now, they never would have been willing to do this if they really thought anything real was at stake. Their actions prove that deep down Gore and his voters knew there was nothing significant at stake as far as any alleged difference between Gore and Bush. Same with Sanders and his fan club in 2016. Same as it will be in 2020.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 5 2020 13:22 utc | 259

They got rid of computer voting in most of Europe.

Why did they do that?

Posted by: blues | Feb 5 2020 13:22 utc | 260

Qparticle @251: Who's your pick though?

There is no other pick.

If the ONE GUY that everyone believes has integrity turns out to be a sham then the whole system is corrupt and ALL the candidates offered by that system must be considered to be corrupt.

Then the "choice" is simply this: 1) give up and accept fascist control; or 2) fight back via genuine independent Movements.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 13:24 utc | 261

I still think Sanders is in on it ,and okay with it.He is one of those controlled opposition installees by the oligarchy,like in so many western countries.Now his supporters should overrule him,and push him to action,in court but also and mainly in the street,occupy DNC property.Don't tell me this rigged system of yours is only showing recently,that finally the gloves come off,and other BS that one reads.I have a Hollywood movie from 1940,by Preston Sturgess,titled "The Great McGinty"that showed it all like it was,and still is,and nobody seems to care about."The Manchurian Candidate" by John Frankenheimer in the fifties showed the same federal corruption.If nothing has changed ,there is absence of goodwill by US citizens,and you will all pay for that.Maybe states wanting out of the federation would be a peaceful start of changing things.

Posted by: willie | Feb 5 2020 13:26 utc | 262

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 13:11 utc | 260

"There's an important exception to the advice. Always carry a knife to a gunfight. That way after the shooting you can plant the knife on the dead guy. It's simply essential to the con that the victim takes the blame."

True! How many knives have Hillary and the DNC planted on Sanders and his fans by now, even prior to 2020. And still Sanders is saying at this very moment, "Thank you sir may I have another?"

Posted by: Russ | Feb 5 2020 13:26 utc | 263

No one has to shill for Assange and Manning.

They prove themselves every day that they rot in prison.

In contrast, Sanders shrugs as the establishment steals the election.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 13:28 utc | 264

From the frying pan and into the fire?

Just checked for recent news about the Iowa Caucus (at 8:30am EST).

I skimmed this article from 1:30 am and caught a surprise (bolding is mine):

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iowa-democratic-party-anticipates-releasing-majority-caucus-results/story?id=68744850


DNC gets involved

Polk County Democrats Chairman Sean Bagniewski confirmed to ABC News that the DNC had been calling precinct chairs and asking for results — meaning the national party committee is actively engaging in calling the leaders of each precinct in order to verify the results.

And one Democratic official was told that the DNC was “taking over” the accounting. The official said that to their knowledge, this has never happened before.

Ahead of that results release, Carl Voss, a precinct chairman for Des Moines-55, said while attempting to drop off his precinct packet that he’d been contacted by the Democratic National Committee.

“They wanted a copy of my math sheet,” he said.

Posted by: librul | Feb 5 2020 13:37 utc | 265

Russ @ 256 says:

If one were even a little daring one would renounce the Democratic Party once and for all and at least become a Green

yeah, like Cynthia McKinney did in 2008, after being run out of Congress for asking seriously embarrassing questions about things like 911, missing trillions, FBI complicity in the assassination of MLK, the murder of Tupac Shakur, etc. she even introduced articles of impeachment against President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

i believe she's now teaching at some university in Bangladesh.

Posted by: john | Feb 5 2020 13:41 utc | 266

Russ | Feb 5 2020 13:26 utc | 265 Thanks an' youbetcha!

see Michael Hudson short clip @ On Bernie’s Chances @ michael-hudson [dot] com

The democratic candidate is Trump? Well... yeah. There's one party, theirs.

Wally's more innarrested in the Siege of K next April (or whenever)

see> (Duran) "Cold siege against Kaliningrad"

Of course the Russian response has been open and public well in advance. That is to liquidate the build-up and take the Baltics in counterattack...if we accept the telegraphed stories, Pravda etc.

Comrade Texas spoke, perhaps not in great eloquence, about the deal.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 13:50 utc | 267

Russ gets comment of the week @ comment #261.

Posted by: Allen | Feb 5 2020 14:03 utc | 268

Allen @270

My personal favorite is this (Russ @245):

For Sanders to bring even a knife would be an improvement over the lollipop he's brought so far.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 14:11 utc | 269

uncle tungsten @ 247

So Sanders has to kick hard or piss off. That is the only barometer in my kit that I can rely on.

And at his age he has to use this opportunity to showcase the new leadership for the future. If the whole show revolves around him then the fix is in.

The fix is in irregardless, it is just a matter of what form and fashion it plays out.

Posted by: dltravers | Feb 5 2020 14:15 utc | 270

I suspect that Bernie will win by a narrow margin when the 'final' (massaged) results come out. It sounds like Sanders' lead was just too big for the DNC to rewrite; the best they can hope to do is to shave it down. I'm basing this on the claim I saw last night that the precincts that remained to be worked over were the ones where Sanders is strongest. Thus if Sanders had a vote lead and was slightly behind in delegates after 62% of the precincts were presumably massaged against him, and the ones that remain to be massaged by expert massagers are the ones where he is strongest, it means his victory was probably overwhelming - too much to reverse.

Narrowing Sanders' win can still have a very significant impact. For one thing, it makes Buttegieg look like a solid challenger, not so much like the upstart puppy he tends to come across as. This is crucial. Buttegieg's youth and inexperience work against him unless he can start to come across as Sanders' equal. Then it starts to work for him and Sanders' age starts to work against him.

Another thing that a shaved Sanders win can do is force Gabbard out of the race. Gabbard surely cannot risk ruining things for Sanders in NH. She will surely drop out in the next few days unless Sanders manages a big win.

Should Sanders come out second he surely needs to go after the DNC with cold hard numbers from the caucuses.

Posted by: paul | Feb 5 2020 14:35 utc | 271

Filed under Jewish Lightning

There is now sufficient evidence to conclude the DNC would burn their own house down rather than rent it to Bernie Sanders and his brood of deplorable humanists. The vengeful hand of the Red Queen of the DNC (also known as The Bloody Big Head) may well have been involved. Reaching from the political graveyard she would have her revenge for being denied the undisputed Heavyweight Championship Belt and the humiliation of defeat.

This isn't due to any known form of antisemitism, tropes or other, but due to the DNC being infected with a deadly strain of pro Oligarchy contagion instead. A nuclear form of Jewish Lightning


Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 5 2020 14:52 utc | 272

Since allz we kin do is watch...What th' l?

"Surprise Candidate Hiltasha Clintonov Declared Winner Of Iowa Caucuses"

Photo suitable for framing... babylonbee dot com

(They got the MG wrong tho, shudda been a PPSh-41)

Wally imagines the female will join with Kerry to magnanimously offer their services for the good of their own greedy criminal class.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 14:55 utc | 273

DNC counting votes:

Bernie = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 6

Buttigieg = 1+1+1+1+1 = 8

It is not arithmetics is Kabbalah, and we know who invent it

Posted by: DFC | Feb 5 2020 15:13 utc | 274

What's a democrat to do?

[ ] Learn to code
[ ] No, learn to code

Posted by: Poll of the day | Feb 5 2020 15:28 utc | 275

Dumbass Bernie supporter: OMG!!! Bernie is getting screwed! We need to show our support!!

Bernie: = silence =

Smartass skeptic: Bernie, are you going to fight back?

Bernie: On a good day, my wife likes me.

Dumbass & Smartass: What the heck does that mean?

Bernie: = shrugs =

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 15:32 utc | 276

Russ @ 244 writes: "If he were for real and not the sheep-dogging fraud he really is, he'd unequivocally retract his pledge to support the Democrat nominee and promise an independent campaign if he's robbed a second time."

Well, yes, except that it's certainly too late for him to get on the ballot in a lot of states as an independent. I'd say that if he were for real and not the sheep-dogging fraud he really is (although I'm willing to admit the possibility that he lacks sufficient self-awareness to realize he's a sheep-dogging fraud), he would've retracted his pledge to support the Dim Party candidate in 2016 and spend the next four years building a viable independent movement for 2020.

Posted by: corvo | Feb 5 2020 16:02 utc | 277

willie @ 259: She's not even bringing a knife to the gunfight. All she's bringing is her caps lock.

Posted by: corvo | Feb 5 2020 16:04 utc | 278

poll of the day @ 277:

Learn to code? Wouldn't it be better to insist on transparent means of casting, recording, and communicating votes?

Of course, if you're a member of the duopoly, I suppose transparency is the absolutely last thing you'd want.

Posted by: corvo | Feb 5 2020 16:06 utc | 279

Few are pointing out the one unquestionable fact. Biden, long portrayed as the far frontrunner, lost very big.

Secondly, the candidate who seemed to share the spotlight with Bernie (and permitting Bernie to continue to be squeezed out of nyt reports) is a relatively weak candidate (except among Dem uber Zionists), and his association with the malfunctioning app doesn't help. The specter of Corbyn's loss, at least partly caused by Zionists, should be our teaching moment, and certainly doesn't play to Buttigieg's advantage on the left. A large number of my liberal/left friends favored or at least liked Buttigieg previously. He seemed to be a progressive, somewhere just behind Warren, but snappier.

That yet another DNC screw up impacts Bernie negatively, should be a feather in his cap, showing either how much the establishment wants to defeat him, or at least how little they appreciate his success.

3rd party victory is still a far longer shot than Sanders Nomination. We shouldn't assume that Bernie could even do a 3rd party Presidential candidacy for various technical if not strategic reasons. I would certainly vote for him either as Democrat or as 3rd party, but I think it's counterproductive to start denouncing him now for not doing the 3rd party now.

Majority of voters still identify as Democratic. If the "screw ups" continue this year might be the end of that. But it takes a long long long time for people to learn, especially against 24/7 misinformation.

The Iowa caucus should be seen as a Sanders victory, his leading opponents having been exposed as well as defeated by the actual vote count.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Feb 5 2020 16:12 utc | 280

The mask of American "democracy" is unraveling more and more.

The Iowa Caucus "clusterfuck" was not only a deliberate attempt to blunt Sanders' candidacy but also as a excuse to end the use of caucuses in general, where there is a greater progressive political voice.

As Lee Camp says in his video below, the Fix is In:

With Sanders Headed to Victory, Iowa Democratic Party Blocks Release of Caucus Results
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/02/04/with-sanders-headed-to-victory-iowa-democratic-party-blocks-release-of-caucus-results/

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 5 2020 16:52 utc | 281

This whole deplorable circus, USA Prez. election, no longer concerns ‘democracy,’ in itself a misnomer, but merely shows clumsy infighting at the top.

The pretend duopoly Dem vs. Rep is now in the gutter, these pol. parties are nothing but private associations set on grabbing stakes via corruption by any and all forces that have bucks.

By now the propanganda is dismal. Political content has been evacuated (Yes Sanders is trying to bring it back in, good for him) and the whole scene has overtly descended into a money pit cum-popularity contest. Like a TV reality show to choose the winner of best cook under 20 in shorts and aprons, making chicken pies and strawberry soufflés.

The Reps were taken over by an outsider, Trump.

The Dems refuse to let ‘their’ outsider, Sanders, who might win, stand.

Party Politics no longer exists though the structures are more or less still in place, and are exploited because of existing laws which afford privileges to ‘parties’ as opposed to ‘wacky individuals.’

Look at France, in the last election, 2017.

The Socialist (= Dem) candidate got 6%, the Repub. one Fillon obtained a good score but could not beat the upstart Macron.

Macron’s party is a one-man band with his supporters, hangers-on, profiteers … with a peculiar name - La République en Marche.

One of the popular contenders, Mélenchon, also has ‘his’ own party, called La France Insoumise and scored almost equally with Fillion, Le Pen, all hovering around 20%.

The Political Parties no longer represent sections or groups or ‘grass roots’ of the ‘ppl’ in any way, but are set up to serve one ‘leader’ or figurehead. Who has analysts and publicists etc. who grind numbers and then a political discourse is constructed so as to gather the most votes.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 5 2020 16:58 utc | 282

Charles Peterson @282: The Iowa caucus should be seen as a Sanders victory ...

Bernie is snatching defeat from victory by allowing the establishment to suppress his voice, dismiss his accomplishments, and misdirect the voting public.

Bernie has been in politics a long, long time. He MUST KNOW that silence only encourages them. He MUST KNOW that many people are already suspicious of his failure to take on Hillary in 2016 ("Enough with your damn emails!").

Yet Bernie isn't fighting back.

As Caitlin Johnstone points out:

It doesn’t actually matter anymore who really won Iowa at this point; the damage is already done... [Bernie] as already lost the opportunity to start off the primary contest with a win and a rousing victory speech. In every way that matters, he has already been robbed, by extremely shady establishment dealings, in the very first electoral contest of the race.

The very first. Berners are already as outraged as they were at the height of the 2016 DNC scandal, which was still months out from this point in the race. They’re already getting screwed over, and it’s just getting started.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 17:01 utc | 283

“We need a new, progressive political party in the U.S. because on almost every important issue the Democratic and Republican Parties, both controlled by Big Money, are indistinguishable ... we need a new, progressive political movement in this country because the Democrats and Republicans are not only incapable of solving any of the major problems facing this country, they are not even prepared to discuss them.”

“I understand the enormous difficulties that confront us when we take on the Democratic and Republican Parties and the economic oligarchy that controls this country. if we stop thinking about all the reasons as to why it can’t be done, and go out in the streets and do it, we can succeed. We can create a third party. We can raise the important issues which the Democrats and Republicans ignore. We can win.”

In 1989, Bernie had the guts to tell the truth. Today, he's no more than a sheepdog for a corrupt political party and a coward.

Posted by: Trisha | Feb 5 2020 17:38 utc | 284

sure looks like the DNC et al effort was to undercut the momentum bernie's campaign would gain from reporting the results in realtime - problem w/ that it that such obvious interference can also end up creating more support for the target of their hijinks

Posted by: b real | Feb 5 2020 17:47 utc | 285

William Gruff @257--

That small incremental gain in expanding the political vocabulary does indeed take a bite out of the Establishment's ability to control the Narrative and is precisely the sort of action advocated by Caitlin Johnstone. Her essay on the debacle also notes how it's inflicted more damage on the Narrative and Establishment's D-Party control. She's scathing yet rational, so it's difficult not to cite the entire essay. This bit of evidence of corruption she cites is certainly worthy:

"'A precinct chair in Iowa said the app got stuck on the last step when reporting results,' CNN reports. 'It was uploading a picture of the precinct’s results. The chair said they were finally able to upload, so they took a screenshot. The app then showed different numbers than what they had submitted as captured in their screenshot.'"

And CNN broadcast that evidence--Amazing! After explaining the damage done over the next few paragraphs, Caitlin swings for the fences:

"This is all extremely blatant, and the feelings it brings up in people are completely legitimate. Yet narrative managers like Neera Tanden and Shannon Watts are telling everyone they’re just like Trump if they suspect the Democratic establishment is again doing the thing it did just four years ago."

Yes, the D-Party is already being forced to defend itself, far earlier than 2016. She then finishes with a flourish that ought to make writers like Norman Solomon blush since they don't seem to have the balls to say what must be said.

Anyhow, read it and share it as she provides an excellent example of Inverted Totalitarianism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2020 17:53 utc | 286

@ Abu Aisha | Feb 5 2020 9:19 utc | 253
”And venezuela's elections put amerikkka to shame.”

Thanks for including that; in my opinion that does not get mentioned nearly enough.

Also, Venezuela's national "Constituent Assemblies” and local-level “collectivos” make Venezuela far, far more democratic than the US ever has been or ever will be. In Venezuela the people really do have the power.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 5 2020 18:00 utc | 287

karlof1 @289

Thanks for the link! Ms. Johnstone possesses a mix of brilliance, perception, and intellectual courage that I deeply admire. With a few more like her, our host and some of the commentariat here, and others like Escobar and Vltchek, we just might be able to beat the new Dark Ages that is looming.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 288

In Turkey | Feb 5 2020 17:36 utc | 286

Ah, interesting. And now just let us see your reasons for this statement.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Feb 5 2020 18:16 utc | 289

Lots of lies about Sanders being silent. Woe to the credibility of those prevaricating. Plus, it's far better for the masses he's gathered to do the hollering and foot stomping--stress and anger don't work well on the heart as I know quite well. Better for him to remain calm and focused, which is exactly what he's doing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2020 18:25 utc | 290

I think Noirette brings up a very good point. Political parties are private businesses and their reason to exist depends on being able to get returns on their investments. In the US the two parties are so powerful that have been able to completely supress others who would like a piece of the pie.

We came close once with the Reform Party led by billionaire H Ross Perot. He started out really well and then kinda of imploded just before the election, there were rumors that he had received threats against his family. Nevertheless he still got 8 percent of the vote in the 1996 US Presidential election

The overwhelming opinion among my fellow citizens is that a vote not cast for one of the two major parties is a vote thrown away. That is the first hurdle to clear....open up the possibility or make it normal for there to be more than the big two.

Then you need to get someone to organize it....without the promise of decent money you won't find many takers.

so, you want to make a change. the absolute rule in politics is "first, you gotta get elected"

I grow very weary of this rabbit fellow with his constant criticism of Sanders. What is the point? How is he making the world better by repeating over and over this supposed nefarious thing that he does. Someone who has been as progressive as he can possibly be in a very conservative area of the country. Someone who invests so much energy campaigning....and at his age. We are supposed to believe that he is doing this to help the Republican party.

whisky tango foxtrot

Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 5 2020 18:26 utc | 291

This is for cynics like Jackrabbit, debs, Russ, corvo, A user and snake, William Gruff and his ilk of Trump bootlickers.

Wow! So much vitriol directed at the most decent and humane person left in Congess presently, AND in the election campaign. No criticism for Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar OR Trump. As a matter of fact Trump RARELY gets criticized here and he is by far the dirtiest, sleaziest most dishonest politician and most lawless Ziofascist President ever!

So methinks you doth protest too much and in fact demonstrate an insane amount of virulence for a man who even on the right many at least admit is honest and a good human being.

Your vicious attacks say way more about you as individuals than whatever fault Bernie possesses, which I admit there are some. But to demand more left purity from Bernie with so much at stake facing 4 years of Trump is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Really! He's not Obama or Hillcat!

So this is beyond cynical, although your level of cynicism often disgusts me. Your criticism of this man is so disproportionate with his decent character to the point of insidious and malicious. It's even beyond Bernie Derangement Syndrome. Very strange.

Now you could say I hate Trump that much but at least it's proportionate to his level of depravity.

Only Zionists hate Bernie this irrationally. You're a bunch of SAD SACKS.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 5 2020 18:30 utc | 292

It is obvious to anyone that the DNC sabotaged the Iowa caucus results with this shitty 'Shadow' app to make sure that Sanders could not win and have his victory published in the papers in percentages. They are throwing everything they have at him: Warren accusing him of sexist remarks; MSNBC windbag Chris Matthews shitting on Sanders; Clinton shitting on Sanders "Nobody likes him blah blah"; or corporate network news channels simply denying that Sanders even exists, etc, etc.

Sanders is a threat to the American plutocracy, the billionaire class that owns and runs the USA. Fuck everyone else, go jump in front of a bus for all they're concerned. The end justifies the means: ANYTHING goes to get rid of socialist Bernie Sanders. The plutocracy will NOT allow the peasantry to have their man, to redistribute the wealth, implement Medicare for All, or change the status quo in any way. ONLY a Biden, a Buttcrap, a Kloboshar, etc will do. Corporate dem for corporate America.

Sanders will lose the DNC nomination. Why? Because just like in 2016, they will totally fuck him over every chance they get. And they're already doing it full steam.

Face it: American "elections" are a rigged, farcical shit show. There is no way an actual grassroots progressive candidate can ever win in that shit country. The deep state, the military industrial complex, Wall Street, and corporate America will NOT tolerate anything but an obedient corporate democrat or repuke as their window dressing. Have you noticed? No matter who wins these elections, nothing actually ever changes. It's just a shit show to give the peasants a fake choice, corporate dem or repuke: two sides of the same dismal, corporate fascist war-without-end economy.

Posted by: deschutes | Feb 5 2020 18:43 utc | 293

...corporate dem or repuke: two sides of the same dismal, corporate fascist war-without-end economy coin.

Posted by: deschutes | Feb 5 2020 18:47 utc | 294

No additional, multimillion dollar app was needed: Functions addressed by Shadow/Acronym program are more easily and effectively undertaken by Excel, which is considered a gold standard in its class.

Posted by: abierno | Feb 5 2020 18:58 utc | 295

When you understand what really going on, it's easy to see who is pushing propaganda and misdirection.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 19:01 utc | 296

Bernie the Socialist. That's funny.

I actually met him about 20 years ago during a picnic at the Bangor Labor Temple. I was very interested to have a chance to meet him. I probably mentioned that I was a Wobbly. I definitely remember asking him which socialist party he was a member of. I mean, how could any real socialist not be a party member, it's kinda right there in the name.

Well let me tell you, he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. He mumbled something and immediately walked away to get a hamburger or something. Pretty funny, but kinda sad, too. If he had said that he didn't find the sectarian parties to be useful, that would be a reasonable answer. But to say nothing and just walk away...

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 19:21 utc | 297

Lockheed Martin and Mossad had reasons to hack DNC against Bernie.

If you search for "our moonshot jane sanders" in Youtube you get many interesting results about the Bernie Sanders campaign. Though not original "moonshot statements" in there.

"Our moonshot" coming from the Sanders campaign side translates to:

NO MONEY FOR THE RACE TO THE MOON 2024.

Social wellfaire programs instead.

Lokheed Martin might be a late contender but I have a feeling they end up with the lunar module contract plus other stuff later possibly.
We are talking about billions.
But WHY is Mossad so much interested in the moon race?
WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM?

Here's to jackabbit and A User.

Hillarius moments after 4:30 in the video:

Voters just learn that Buttigieg is married to another man!
Voter: "Can I please have my card back"
Volunteer: "But it's common knowledge"!

Late Show with Steven Colbert:
"How Iowa get so thoroughly Caucus Blocked"
https://youtu.be/tQgohRj5tOs

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 19:27 utc | 298

Circe #294

Bernie has called every fraud A FRAUD including Wall Street.
Now Bernie has been defrauded by a transparent scam.
Either he calls it loud and brutal or he is craven.
If he dithers or delays much longer Tulsi should call it fraud.
If Tulsi is silent?
The conclusion is obvious...

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 5 2020 20:44 utc | 299

Circe@294

Add me to your list of losers to be sent to the gulag.

Your comment is not true on many levels:
"Trump RARELY gets criticized here and he is by far the dirtiest, sleaziest most dishonest politician and most lawless Ziofascist President ever!"

(1) Trump is the most mentioned fascist at this site. Perhaps your screaming about Sanders is pushing Trump off the radar?
(2) The dirtiest, sleaziest is just the definition of a politician and are simply verbs. Rather than ranting, provide concrete links to support your claim.
(3) Perhaps Trump is the most Ziofascist president but you need to explain what you mean by lawless - see point 4.
(4) Trump still has a way to go to be the psychopathic President with the most blood on his hands. That award would go to Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2, or Obama/killery depending on how the piles of bodies are counted.

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 5 2020 21:01 utc | 300

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