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February 04, 2020

Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results

Unprecedented cybersecurity measures being taken to safeguard Iowa caucus results - Jan 29 2020

No one knows how many of Iowa’s 1,700 precinct leaders will opt to use a new smartphone app to report Democratic caucus results Monday night. But the security of that app will be the source of much scrutiny.

After reports of Russian hacking attempts in the 2016 presidential election, party leaders are taking unprecedented precautions to protect against cybersecurity breaches and the spread of disinformation on social media.

On Wednesday, Democratic Party officials in Iowa and Washington confirmed that the Democratic National Committee is deploying security staff to work with the state party to assist with any caucus problems.

Democratic Party @DNC - 22:16 UTC · Feb 3, 2020
For three years, we’ve been preparing for the process that officially kicks off tonight in Iowa: the Democratic presidential primary. Today our chair, @TomPerez, reflects on the reforms we’ve made to make this the most transparent primary in our history: How We Prepared for 2020
NPR Politics @nprpolitics - 5:33 UTC · Feb 4, 2020

"By all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious," Pete Buttigieg said in a late-night speech.
0% of Iowa caucus results are in.

Walker Bragman @WalkerBragman - 5:59 UTC · Feb 4, 2020

Not great optics here, folks:
- Dems paid company literally called Shadow to create caucus app
- Buttigieg campaign also paid Shadow, FEC records show
- Caucus app fails
- Buttigieg declares himself Iowa winner with no results


Pro-Israel Buttigieg backer Seth Klarman is top funder of group behind Iowa’s disastrous voting app

At the time of publication, twelve hours after voting in the Democratic Party’s Iowa caucuses ended, the results have not been announced. The delay in reporting is the result of a failed app developed by a company appropriately named Shadow Inc.

This firm was staffed by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama campaign veterans and created by a Democratic dark money nonprofit backed by hedge fund billionaires including Seth Klarman. A prolific funder of pro-settler Israel lobby organizations, Klarman has also contributed directly to Pete Buttigieg’s campaign.


The Sanders campaign published its internal count from some 40% of the precincts which they say are representative. Their unofficial result:

Sanders - 30%; Buttigieg - 25%; Warren - 21%; Biden - 12%; Klobucher - 11%; all others < 1%

What a clusterfuck.

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Tobin Paz | Feb 4 2020 17:21 utc | 99 (calling Maduro dictator)

Well, yes, but you wouldn't wanna let one little screwup ruin the man's career! (Turgison, Strangelove)

Seriously, I promised to vote for the guy. And I know who or what he is fair dinkum as, I believe the phrase goes. He's a stooge, a foil, but also maybe he'll be a "grenade". Call me nihilist, I believe only my own view and nothing any "church" or club or Power Elite says is to be believed, 'cpt yer own lying eyes and logic tempered with time and judgement. Bernie's a fink? Sure. What else, but I'll vote fer the cat.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 4 2020 17:57 utc | 101

DM, #26: The term "clusterfuck" is pretty much self explanatory and, of course, appropriate. Google will find you 11.5 million instances of it on the web, so I really doubt its only used on this "fucking stupid blog".

Posted by: Me, I'm counting | Feb 4 2020 17:58 utc | 102

William Gruff @88--

Thanks!!! That really rocks! And the first CIA POTUS was.... Ford. In 1980, the CIA couldn't loose with either Reagan or Bush and got both thanks to Fed Chair Volker. 40 years of CIA rule--I include Trump because he's clearly corralled.

Yes, Iowa was a clusterfuck. Angry calls for DNC Chair Perez to resign as suspicion mlounts over another rigged nominating process. Another item about Shadow Inc.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 18:01 utc | 103

Thanks for the laugh!

-All the way from Europe- I like to think of Americans as strong, independent and fearless people who stand firm for their constitutional rights.

What can US citizens do to put some daylight on this ‘clusterfuck’ ?

Posted by: Rob | Feb 4 2020 18:03 utc | 104

It sounds like the results should be released by Netanyahu, not Putin.

Posted by: Edward | Feb 4 2020 18:13 utc | 105

b -
That headline absolutely knocked me out. You should consider moonlighting in stand-up comedy.
I dub b "Patron Saint of Reality."

Posted by: Bruce | Feb 4 2020 18:14 utc | 106

Surprised the crack team of OAS election monitors weren't on hand.

So, just to be clear: amidst strong concerns over cybersecurity and vote integrity, it was decided to go with a smartphone app?

A close win by Buttigieg should have been easy enough to manufacture without shutting the voting system down. It appears what is being covered up is a very poor show by Biden.

The problem with a 3rd Party challenge is the election infrastructure has been designed to blunt or prevent such candidate's viability and access to the Electoral College. It would take several election cycles with a popular well-supported 3rd Party movement to change that. A long-term strategy towards absolutely necessary reform has to date been blocked by appeals to short-term "lesser of two evils" approaches.

The entire focus of the mainstream / establishment / corporate Democrats for the past four years has been based on preventing Sanders from being the Presidential nominee without totally alienating his base (which with a boost of clarity could actually take on the long-term strategy). This includes pursuing the white whales of Russiagate and impeachment. The US establishment is completely committed to laissez-faire capitalism, and will do what it takes to prevent any reform. Sanders calls the bluff on that, and the clumsy obvious attempts to shut him down reveals the nervousness by which the whole democratic system is viewed when significant portions of the electorate are intent on reform.

Posted by: jayc | Feb 4 2020 18:20 utc | 107

Seth Klarman is also the moneybags & ideologue behind holocaust education program used in a great many US public schools -- Facing History.

Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 4 2020 18:42 utc | 108

Relevant thoughts from a Russian:

"Я считаю, что совершенно неважно, кто и как будет в партии голосовать; но вот что чрезвычайно важно, это кто и как будет считать голоса."

It translates to: "I regard it as completely unimportant who in the party will vote and how, but it is extremely important who will count the votes and how."

"Bazhanov said Stalin was talking about the voting procedures for higher organs of the Communist Party, according to Kramer.


Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 18:46 utc | 109

As entertainment, this year's Election Circus is certainly top-notch. If only we could have some Bread to go along with the Circus.

Instead of going to peons, the Bread is all going to TV station owners. Bloomberg by himself has pumped in a quarter-billion dollars already. Fox News says he is ready to spend a billion. Another report claimed that TV ad rates are up 20% due to the huge demand for limited airtime.

I wonder why political parties in the US don't own TV and radio stations themselves...

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 4 2020 18:47 utc | 110

I always get a laugh when I tell people that Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame because most of the time they have no idea.

Now that fellow Hall of Famer Jesse Ventura is considering running Trump just might get the beating of his life.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Feb 4 2020 18:48 utc | 111

Even a President Sanders would have very little chance of getting significant domestic reforms through Congress. So what are they afraid of?

The president has much greater independent power over foreign relations, a power blessed by the Supreme Court in the 1936 case of U.S. v. Curtis-Wright, a case that has never been overruled, remains valid law, and is constantly cited by executive branch lawyers, understandably, since it asserts that the President has "plenary" power over foreign relations. So a President Sanders could certainly prevent wars.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 4 2020 18:52 utc | 112

jayc @ 109:

"...The problem with a 3rd Party challenge is the election infrastructure has been designed to blunt or prevent such candidate's viability and access to the Electoral College. It would take several election cycles with a popular well-supported 3rd Party movement to change that. A long-term strategy towards absolutely necessary reform has to date been blocked by appeals to short-term "lesser of two evils" approaches..."

1) election infrastructure --- Yes, BIG problem. Has to be addressed front and center by any 3rd Party run. They are running not for THIS election, but as a movement to fix those problems (I don't count the Electoral College as one; that too has to be fixed but not eliminated, in my view, but it is open to discussion and should be debated.)

2) it would take several election cycles --- Yes again. We're probably not going to suceed this time around. No quick fixes. I think that, all the way back to 2000, when we began voicing concerns about the electoral process, has been a very long term awakening indeed. Twenty years! All of that, including the marches, the individual protests, Occupy - all part of the birthing process. I'd say its time for the baby to be born! WE'RE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL. Let's be like FDR and throw everything against the wall to see what sticks! And everything counts! Let's overcome our very own Great Depression!

3) "lesser of two evils" --- folk bit that bullet last time, and for an age it was debatable whether that had worked. The huge error in that was that the lesser finally became the greater, with an unacceptable and transparently horrible assassination of two well regarded generals from two grievously afflicted countries. The two parties fused. There is just one Great Evil to contemplate at this point; no lesser one.

2020 can be Year One of the Great Change. Not "change we can believe in", but Change we can BE! We can do it and we must. (Gee, I'm sounding like Circe now, sorry guys!)

Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2020 19:01 utc | 113

The Iowa Democratic Party will be revealing 50 PERCENT of the precinct results around 5 p.m. today. Now we all know from Bernie's press release that Bernie's campaign tabulated up to 40% of the precinct results and Bernie was beating Buttigieg by 5% percentage points. So lets see what the IDP does with the 10% spread, KEEPING IN MIND, that Sanders had the majority turnout last night!

Now some Trump tools here are still smearing Bernie with the "herder" label. The entire establishment on the right and Neoliberal centrist left are trying deperately to kill Sanders momentum and his campaign!!! Do you really think a man of Bernie's age is subjecting himself to this grueling process and opposition even after suffering a serious health scare just to end up a herder???🤬🤬🤬🤬

No one is working harder to return power to people so take your trash theory and shove it up your..ass and leave it there where it belongs!!!

Why are you not questioning Buttigieg's connections to the Zionist Shadow inc. that created the app that messed with results to steal Bernie's victory???

I'll tell you why: because Buttigieg could never defeat Trump; so he's the foil you want to face Trump in the general.


Well get over it! Whether you like it or not: SANDERS IS COMING FOR TRUMP!


Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 19:05 utc | 114

I'm sure some here remember when in 2004 the state of Ohio mysteriously switched from the Kerry column to the Bush column in the wee hours of the night. That same state also happened to use the vote tabulating software created by the GOP-centric tech company founded by Michael Connell, who perhaps conveniently died in a small plane crash immediately prior to his being deposed in a lawsuit regarding that same election.

Republican IT Guru Dies in Plane Crash

What is it with this country and elections, amirite?

Posted by: information_agent | Feb 4 2020 19:15 utc | 115

@Circe 95

"He's the only candidate with the integrity to take Trump down!"

Bernie demonstrated his moral compass when he endorsed and then aggressively campaigned for that self-outed psychopathic warmonger Hillary Clinton, of "we came, we saw, he died [Qaddafi died with a bayonet shoved up his anus] ... ha ha ha" infamy, and someone who had openly and fraudulently stolen the primary from him.

@Tobin Paz 99

Was just reading that article about Bernie's support for imperialism, it's an eye opener for true Bernie believers. To those believers I'd also recommend Black Agenda Report's more recent article “Progressive” Dems Ought to Divorce the Duopoly, Not Badger Greens.

Posted by: Trisha | Feb 4 2020 19:16 utc | 116

FYI, this Klarman guy is a CFR kid, goes w/o saying I guess.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 4 2020 19:16 utc | 117

Circe, I love your posts. Keep going!
It's great to hear a voice of hope in miserable times.

Posted by: Cemi | Feb 4 2020 19:18 utc | 118

IMO, as the Israeli App ( deep state ) has spoken, and, thus, you know now Sanders is not the option of the swamp, all the more cofirmed yesterday when at SST the usual Trumpsters Johnson and Lang started to bring in alleged past as "communist" and alleged youth times´ travel to the USSR about Sanders ( can anyone be more ridiculous to keep their considerale tax cut?...)

As if people could not change, and indeed, they change ( just see Podemos in Spain going in zero coma from anti-monarchist force to monarchist...), thus they do not have anything else than to recurr to past... pecadillos de juventud...

For those claiming for a "Third Party" option, I fear it is a bit late for that, you can not built the infrastucture neccesary to challenge two parties with decades of history in a huge country like the US in just 9 months. Podemos in Spain organized a popular movement based on a web platform where they crowdfunded for a van with which travel the country to meet and talk to the people, but Spain has around 1000Km most distance...

Thus this Third Party option only remains as a possibility for a next election process, not to mention that an infrastructure based on a web platfrom onl yreaches who it reaches, young and literate people, and as a workers movement you just can not loose the votes of deep USA, where people do not pay attention to IT...I do not know whether there exists people like these in the US, in Spain there are still a lot, mostly old retiree people who are precisely those who keep the ideals of the àst fights pof the left...Well, this happens in Spain and Europe, may be in the US could the other way around....Anyway a vivarium of votes to consider for any workers movement...I can not believe there is no a huge ammount of retirees in the US who do not get way lesser pensions than Pat Lang´s, or live in houses less than million dollars value, and thus do not beneffit from the only thing Trump has made right, cut taxes to the great rentiers/ the wealthy...

The only way to win this election would be, once unveiled the trick to rig it, for the voters of both, Gabbard and Sanders, unite and vote in mass for the one of them best positioned in this caucus of the hell...

With respect to caucus, although I am not very privy in the Us electoral system, seems a process where the two partisan system old guard apparatus asures it victory one way or the other, the other way is through funding by oligarchs. For an opportunity to have a future different from the dark one it paints fro a majority of workers in the US, at least these both lacras of the electoral process must dissapear, since widely demonstrated undermine democracy and the meaning of the Constitution...Not privy of your Constitution either, if this is enshrined in the Constitution by blood and fire, change the a workers active movement

Every time I have read a news about US elections on Sanders I have witnessed an army of young people craving for him almost the same passion or more ( since this is after all the US...) many young people show for Putin in Russia, this is very important, since it is the young who have the passion, the will and hope to fight the fascist cult like supra-state it has been unleashed onto you, more evident after the "presentation" of the so called "deal of the century"...Still, I very doubt that, as he says Pat Lang, it is only young students and teachers who support Sanders, but the huge Jew population in the US who got astonished and perplexed by the last charade of the "steal of the century" I am sure they will vote for Sanders too...if not at least out of self-preservation sense...Then it is all the IT community workers and activists who are not billionaires, the women´s movement, plus the sector of the US Army who are not generals or colonels or private contractors, fascists, or plain psychos, who enjoy the state of permanent war on behalf of Greater Israel or just profit from it, who all would vote for Gabbard...that would be a huge ammount of sane people who I fear it is a silent majority in the US who still have not had the change to get their representative in it not time to get him/her in the the WH...

For those arguing Sanders is too old, he is so old as he is Trump, with the advantage that the fact that after so many years he still keeps his leftist ideas intact is a rarity not seen anyhwere, not even in Europe ( if not for Corbyn, look who is trying to get rid of both...)...take advantage from that gift, since to his passion ( discounted for one holding leftist views in nowadays world..) he adds all his experience and knowledge in life and also the two partisan system aparatus and the stablishment, and you can not fight your opponent unless you get to know it well...

As they say the "ultra-fascists" in their manifestos, the people ALWAYS tend to the left and socialism, this is why they need to rig elections in the first place...History has demonstrated so, there could be a bunch of idiots, but not millions, and, remember, common sense is the more common of the senses....

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 4 2020 19:25 utc | 119

Not clear on was this a nefarious attempt to hack the vote or simply minor glitch or simple incompetence.

I thought Trump's (actually I would imagine that he has staff tweeters) response was best so far:
"Winner is RNC."

Still I think there is silver lining:
No one can seriously claim that U.S. democracy is other than scam - only serious option is third, forth and fifth party.
Question would remain, do they actually count votes at this point.

Posted by: jared | Feb 4 2020 19:42 utc | 120

i.e. "fourth"

Posted by: jared | Feb 4 2020 19:43 utc | 121

I now fully believe that the true purpose of last night's tally screw-up was to delay any announcement of Bernie's victory until enough time has passed that it will not help him in the near-term primaries, thus also blunting any momentum going into the later primaries.

Your friendly neighborhood DNC/CIA/Mossad operatives at your service!

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 4 2020 19:56 utc | 122

Government is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 19:57 utc | 123

the polls were found to be contaminated by the workers polling deliberately omitting Buttigieg

That's what was claimed ( and engineered ?) by Pete Butt, right?
From the average of previous polls, (see realclearpolitics website) it was clearly not possible for Pete to come at least second in the CNN poll.
The Dems constituents would have believed this CNN poll, therefore they'd have known Pete could not win. It would have made unbelievable the fake claim of victory by Pete Butt. How convenient for him were these poll workers, actually!

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 4 2020 20:01 utc | 124

There is nothing more exhilirating than the scent of desperation in the morning.

Peeps here know I don't subscribe to the notion that there is a single cabal (Deep State) that mysteriously controls all aspects of Americans lives but rather that we have an abundance of evil greedy people. This is a 'feature' of capitalism. With so few having acquired so much of the wealth of America, there are fewer and fewer areas where these greedy people can further multiply their wealth. The results are that they have begun to not only increase their theft from the working class, ( a pound of sausage @ $2.99 now weighs only 11 ounces) they have begun to feed upon each other.

The fact that they are no longer even trying to hide their machinations, is indicative of how little regard they hold for the common man/woman, and how desperate they are becoming. They do exactly what Karl Rove explained years ago: link

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

I find myself spending too much time merely chasing headlines and becoming an insta-expert on the 72 hour topic of the moment. It becomes difficult to maintain focus...

However, lest we forget and not recall their previous misdeeds, the DNC has argued they are under no obligation to provide a fair election and candidates are aware that the DNC can rig the process to favor whomever they choose.

I find it terribly silly to rant and complain when your candidate is not the chosen one. Who wants to be a party to that joke?

Also, Circe is a female. Men don't argue like that. ;)

[Sidenote: Lambert Strether over at Naked Capitalism recommended 'Qwant' as a replacement search engine for that which shall not be named. I have been fiddling with it since December and have been very pleased. Unlike startpage and other alt search engines, Qwant does not use 'that which shall not be named' search algorithms and provides a seemingly more balanced set of search results. No, you do not have to install an extension to set qwant as your homepage.]


re-post from open thread; corrected spellling; link fixed;minor edits

Posted by: b4real | Feb 4 2020 20:06 utc | 125

Pat Lang again trying to scare the people with the story of "communists", now forecasting an "extreme left party" will result from the split of the Democrats, forgetting that in Europe old and very strong Communist Parties like those in Italy and Spain were historically flexible enough to arrange a consensus which could free their countries from more unrest out of hatred and grudges.

No Communist or Extreme-left party ( in case that could be even possible in a country like the US... ( the craddle of the capitalist system..)will break the system abruptely all of a sudden unless the lives and human rights of the people are at risk, since that would bring a lot of suffering for the working people, the ones who can not flee the country if things get hard...What they will do is try to reform the system graduately from within, something not so difficult in a country like the US who knows the liberties a human can aspire.

A first step to reform this clearly rigged system will be depurating the intelligence services, both military and CIA, as well as HS, and the judicial one, where the clientelar web of mamandurrias system cleary develop...


Mamandurrias: huge ammounts of money in bribes received from foreign countries, great banks, hedge funds and corporations, so as to make the policy they order instead of that which would benefitt the electorate, or stolen state money who ends in the hands of a official group of government representatives who, as a consequence have become a class/gang of their own and who polute the peaceful development and convivence of the country and lead the nation-state system in a linear trajecttory to chaos and bankruptcy.

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 4 2020 20:10 utc | 126

@ juliania | Feb 4 2020 19:01 utc | 115

The constituted electoral process is indifferent as to how many parties there are but does differentiate national political parties from regional parties, preference given to national parties. The early 20th Century Progressives never made it to national rank before their core policies were adapted by national parties. Otherwise, time was not sufficient for some political attractor to become nationally backed by some large enough plurality, the Prohibitionists were a flash in pan example that had no staying power nationally to protect their gains. It took the origins of the current Republican Party to organise themselves only six years to present themselves until they won, by fortuitous happenstance (their opponents fatally divided), the Presidency; when communication speed was that of horses. Note: at the time individualism (and libertarianism) were nearly (or completely) nonexistent and 'right to hold opinion' had altogether other political framework, imposing it on others not favoured, tachy-plumbium pellets saw to that.

When a national issue is presented that can be focused upon (such as the first Republicans did with slavery), only then can a sufficient group be gathered to effect policy themselves; pipe-dreaming of such is just that - pipe-dreaming. No such 'movement' is or is likely on the current horizons.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 4 2020 20:13 utc | 127

My calculation is that there is 1 chance in 64, or .0156 probability, of that happening.
Posted by: lysias | Feb 4 2020 16:47 utc | 86

Lysias, I am very, very disappointed, at least with the Lysias in mind I met wordwise felt ages ago on Mondowise. Ok your statement might suggest you are not the same lysias.

Standard wisdom suggests the odds should be 50-50. But then those casino tables never were (are still not?) perfectly round either, a mathematician found out.

Posted by: Vig | Feb 4 2020 20:13 utc | 128

"... this Third Party option only remains as a possibility for a next election process..." --Sasha @121

That it has been for many decades. Election cycle after election cycle it is always "It's too important this time! We have to hold off on building a third party until next time!"

So when the DNC selects the CIA choice of Butt-gig to run against Trump instead of Sanders whom the voters young and old obviously would rather vote for, we are going to get the same old tired bullshit from hysterical fools of "But you just HAVE to vote for Butt-gig because... because.... because TRUMP!"

Sorry to rain on the parade, but the Democrats will do the same thing this year that they did in 2016, because defeating socialism is their #1 function. I have no faith that Sanders can save the world, but the only way this "deplorable" is voting Democrat is if Sanders is at the top of the ticket.

You hear that Circe? When the Dems do what we all know they are going to do, and indeed what they are already working on, it will be time for you to STFU and GTFO. Don't come hysterically shilling for Butt-gig because your Trump Derangement Syndrome overrides your self-respect. When the Dem convention is held and we see once again how corrupt and antidemocratic they are, then there should be no more calls to support Team Blue. Anyone who is now advocating Sanders should, if they retain even a shred of dignity and self-respect, switch to advocating third party or bust at that point... and yes, "that point" is before the election in November, not after.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 4 2020 20:13 utc | 129

Fallout regarding the Shadow, Inc. device was swift as Nevada D-Party has said it won't be using it, a decision that must be made by every state D-Party.

Meanwhile, Sanders organization has released its own further results, which they say have been consistent throughout:

"According to Weaver, the campaign's latest internal figures were as follows after the first alignment: Sanders (29.08%); Buttigieg (21.63%); Warren (19.51%); Klobuchar (12.27%); and Biden (12.04%). After the second and final alignment, Weaver explained, the figures were: Sanders (29.4%); Buttigieg (24.87%); Warren (20.65%); Biden (12.92%); and Klobuchar (11.18%)."

I'm shocked that Buttigieg got almost 25%. But they make sense given his connections to what's clearly a very corrupt organization, which is likely a plural beyond two.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 20:14 utc | 130

maybe "clusterFUBAR" is a slightly better term for this?

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 20:16 utc | 131

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Feb 4 2020 16:23 utc | 78

"How can it be? He has already pledged, yet again, to sit still, get shoved aside and campaign for the anointed."

Yes indeed, and the fact that he'd go for a repeat performance after what they did to him in 2016 (and ever since) is my Exhibit A that he's a con artist.

So for me to even consider giving him a second thought on his being a con artist, a prerequisite would be that he unequivocally rescind that pledge. I won't be holding my breath.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 4 2020 20:17 utc | 132

Mondowise now that's curious of cause I ment Phil Weiss' Mondoweiss blog.

Actually not always wise - ... - at least it felt at one point in time. Don't check too frequently nowadys.

Posted by: Vig | Feb 4 2020 20:17 utc | 133

information_agent @117 (19:15 UTC)

Of course, Kerry didn't challenge those Ohio results in 2004. The lawsuit was filed by -- anybody?
Michael Badnarik, that year's Libertarian nominee for President, and Green Party nominee David Cobb.

Note that the Green Party is already on the ballot in 21(?) states (counting DC), and is working on the other 30:

We'll have our national nominating convention July 9-12 at Wayne State University in Detroit. Please help build this real alternative.

Posted by: jalp | Feb 4 2020 20:25 utc | 134

In a normal world, the Iowa Caucus would be a minor footnote, and its results of some interest but generally irrelevant until other states' primary and caucus results come in.

But we live in the New Media Reality, where our reality-TV obsession is shaping the very core of reality.

And recall that the Republican Party has no primary race to distract them this year, they can devote all their time and malicious energies to ratfucking the Democratic primaries.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Feb 4 2020 20:36 utc | 135

This doesn't seem like incompetence, it seems like actual vote rigging. According to this the pre vote poll also had "technical issues" and was not released. Someone should liberate the USA ASAP...

Posted by: Tod | Feb 4 2020 20:36 utc | 136

Posted by: Tod | Feb 4 2020 20:36 utc | 138

"This doesn't seem like incompetence, it seems like actual vote rigging."

It was actual vote rigging done with extreme incompetence.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 4 2020 20:39 utc | 137

@Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 4 2020 20:13 utc | 131

What part of the Israeli App ( of Buttigieg´s friend/funder ) has spoken and thus you know Sanders is not the chosen of the "deep state" have you not understood?

You should reread my post since I never asked the vote for that clown, but for Sanders and Gabbard or for the best positioned of both in the "inevitable", for what it seems, caucus...

Try not to mislead the commenters on what I write, please. I already know you will never ask for any option from amongst the possible right now, but for killing hope until what remains is...well, "Trump as lesser evil", a fairy tale we already know from 4 years ago, as they do almost all the military blogs out there, and labelling anyone who oppose him as victim of the famous Trump Derangement Syndrome, a term of the "alt-right" which clearly identifies an uncondicional Trump voter/suppporter, since no leftist people would use ever such terms whose unique intention is try to pathologize people who oposses Trump, as intend of character assassination/disqualificaton to choose, as if anyone would need to be crazy or be a foll and not a common sense folk to not want Trump in power, with all what we have witnessed so far....

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 4 2020 20:41 utc | 138

There was one chance in two that Hillary would win the first coin toss in 2016, or any single coin toss. The chances were clearly much smaller that she would win 6 out of 7.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 4 2020 20:42 utc | 139

Posted by: jalp | Feb 4 2020 20:25 utc | 136

Well of course Kerry didn't protest the outcome of the election because his sole job during 2004 was to beat back the populist anti-war movement and sandbag the election so that Bush Co. could continue running roughshod over Iraq and the system could get their next company man ready to take the stage in 2008.

I still remember sitting at my desk watching some young upstart senator from Illinois give the keynote speech at the 2004 democratic national convention and thinking "welp, here's the guy who they're going to make our next president"...

Posted by: information_agent | Feb 4 2020 20:45 utc | 140

Of course it's all a conspiracy to sabotage our Jewish savior Jesus Christ, I mean Berni Sandurz, the chosen one, to get all the other chosen ones, out of the American government. Berni will take all your votes to the bank, just like he did the last time.
Man, that was a close call the last time! The rabbit coming in first! He almost had to sabotage himself, to get the nomination to the chosen one. At least he gracefully praised Hillary for stealing the election from him and supported her after that.

Posted by: Tod | Feb 4 2020 20:46 utc | 141

you want to figure probability? just multiply 1/2 times itself however many times you toss the coin.

8 tosses equals 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 = 1/64 or 1 in 64 chance to win

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 20:47 utc | 142

William Gruff @131 & Formerly T-Bear @129--

Yes, the time for developing a 3rd Party has long past--it died after Perot's 1996 effort fell short and the Duopoly agreed to kill most avenues to gaining national prominence and ballot access. Ideally, the People's Party should never have fused with the D-Party in 1896 as that is what destroyed it thanks to the factors listed by bevin earlier in this thread. Hudson realizes that Sanders's chances are thin given the election corruption, but he still advocates raising the Political Fight to oust the Donor Class from their control over the D-Party as it offers the best avenue for progress--break out the pitchforks and shotguns and bring them to Milwaukee this June. IF Sanders can overcome the rigging of the primaries and accumulate 1990+ delegates, he can win the nomination on the first ballot before the supercorrupt delegates come into play and the number needed increases to 2,373.

It must be emphasized that a massive political fight like one not seen since 1860 must happen in the run-up to the D-Party Convention in June if the people of the USA want the opportunity to vote for POTUS candidate Bernie Sanders and his veep. Of course, the CIA may try to kill him before the election, but that seems to be a chance Sanders is willing to take. But the only way Sanders will be on the ballot come November is if the people via overwhelming support put him there. And if he's indeed murdered prior to the election, those same people must make war on Washington.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 20:48 utc | 143

lol . . . i can't type or multiply . . . 6 tosses is 1/64 7 tosses is 1/127

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 20:51 utc | 144

Political discussions here (and elsewhere) attract the same tired propaganda time and time again:

  • that Trump was an "outsider" who is against the establishment

    Wrong: Trump is establishment and follows a similar faux populist script as Obama

  • that Bernie was cheated in 2016

    Wrong: Bernie's was (and may still be) a sheepdog - its the voters that were cheated

  • that to right the ship of state, we merely need to find the right candidate

    Wrong: The establishment Parties have played us and will continue to do so until they are forced to be accountable by large independent Movements


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 4 2020 20:51 utc | 145

7 tosses 1 out of 128 hahaha it isn't even happy hour.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 20:52 utc | 146

@Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 4 2020 20:13 utc | 131

Another thing, if you want to adress what Circe claims or her style of commenting or comments´content, adress Circe properly, not me, I am not responsible for what Circe writes.

In fact, yesterday I was finding her style a bit counterproductive, but well, may be she is a young woman and they use to be such expanded, which is nothing bad, and may be could encouraging in a campus, but not amongst mature people.

Anyway, some commentariat here seems to me to be fullfilling several scripted roles ( untile they are unamsked...) and thus she could as well be playing a role so as to scare the Sanders´ possible voters....

I would expect anything from the blogosphere, especially Trump tending...

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 4 2020 20:54 utc | 147

Perimetr @ 146,

2^7 = 128. To get 7 H in 7 tosses of a fair (i.e., not supplied by Hillary) coin is 1/128. I think that to get 6 H in 7 tosses is 7/128, since the tail can come on any of the seven tosses.

Posted by: spudski | Feb 4 2020 20:56 utc | 148

Perimetr, you and I were typing at the same time. Happy hour, here's to you!

Posted by: spudski | Feb 4 2020 20:57 utc | 149

spudkski, muchas gracias, mi amigo :)

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 21:00 utc | 150

Fake Democracy for all of the 21st century, from Chads to Shadow Apps.

As Stalin said, its not who votes that counts but who counts the votes.

Read the other day that the majority of young people don't like Democracy thats because they never lived in a real Democracy just like Chinese have never lived under real Socialism. Both are in name only

Same with Capitalism, the competitive Capitalism that existed up into FDR and WWII has been replaced by neoliberal Monopoly (Cartels) Capitalism which is just a form of Fascism. So the current Fake Democracy and Fake Democratic Capitalism are not popular, unfortunately people don't understand they are poor imitations of the real thing.

This is exactly what the elite want, to discredit both Capitalism and Democracy and get people to embrace the coming Authoritarian Green
Technocracy using social credits , smart meters , drones, etc to exert draconian control over every aspect of peoples lives. And embrace it they will, after a few more pandemics, financial crashes, wars, climate scared etc they would elect Satan to put things in order thinking he/is the Messiah. Speaking of which Trumps approval rating at its highest ever. Lol.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 4 2020 21:03 utc | 151

A Fiber Curtain has fallen over the west.

Posted by: oglalla | Feb 4 2020 21:05 utc | 152

Trailer Trash@82

Great point:
“A real political movement would be organizing safe places for these kids to live while working towards a better system. Instead all we hear is "Only Bernie Can Save Us! He Is Our One True Savior!" Sure hope Bernie is immortal...”

When will the American people realize that there isn’t a Savior and an Imperial Presidency is destructive to America and the world. The problem is that the main power of the President is to start wars to be remembered in history. Forget Sanders and Gabbard’s domestic agenda and just vote for them for their principled stance against illegal wars of conquest. If one of them is elected then the peace dividend will be their legacy. Most of their domestic agenda will be squashed by the gatekeepers who infest both parties and the corporate and banking puppeteers that dangle the politicians by the purse strings.

If Americans prefer war instead of peace then fuck the system and drop out as I proposed in an earlier thread.

Living in a blue state with 1600 nuclear warheads, 65 million gallons of high-level nuclear waste and weapons factories my peace vote doesn’t count. In over 50 years I have never voted for either wing of the bird of prey as Upton Sinclair called it in 1904. Perhaps, I can register just another protest vote for Jill Stein or Jesse Ventura.

William Gruff @88
“(Aside: You didn't know Obama was born into the CIA? The Obama mama was a funding mule laundering cash to CIA death squads in Indonesia from the Ford Foundation... research it yourself)”

Yes She identified people to be killed and her husband (Obama’s stepfather) did a lot of the killing of ethnic Chinese as an Indonesian military officer. Meanwhile, Kissinger was getting his rocks off on the whole bloody genocide.

Posted by: krollchem | Feb 4 2020 21:05 utc | 153

Dem count in Iowa falls into confusion because of an app fault, and you tell me that wasn't deliberate by someone (not defined). Pull the other one. (outsider view). The question is who, and it's not evident.

Posted by: Laguerre | Feb 4 2020 21:12 utc | 154

The only disappointment about this should be about the time and energy wasted on this stale repeat of a kabuki when it should be spent assisting those people who have been fucked by the duopoly for the last two and a big chunk, centuries.
Change cannot come out of a ballot box! How many more of these farces does any thinking person have to endure before that penny drops.
Someone upthread spoke about a third party and how after 'a few' election cycles it could be properly represented at the electoral college; what they omitted to mention that those 'few' cycles lets say 5 ie 20 years, would also see big changes in the 3rd party.

Corrupt infiltration, compromises where none need or should be made and the citizens then discover all that work just make the duopoly a triopoly.

This is not cynicism, it is realism. The delusional circe is living in a fantasy world where wishful thinking rules but none of that can change a light bulb much less a long term construction designed to butcher and maim for the benefit of a few.
Working at community level is the only way to create real hope which can be built upon to bring meaningful & substantial change, because every useful thing you do for those most disadvantaged by corporate capitalism builds trust, respect for that which does the work and from that, the base to offer hope.

Anyone can stand on a soapbox and say anything, a few will lap it up but most people have heard it all before and will pay no mind, but if a group does something constructive to assist people while being scrupulous about not engaging even when those people mutter the racist fascist garbage that has become the norm in indoctrinated amerika, the people will support that organisation and those who helped them even when the aims of the organisation totally conflict with that citizen's stated beliefs.
In the end the crap people repeat, the stuff they are fed minute by minute in fascist amerika, is just so much hot air, even tho many may continue to repeat it, their actions will be diametrically opposed to what they spout, just like the pols they once supported but now despise.

Give it a go, this method works and the best part about it is people's lives are changing for the better at the same time as the foundations for true, lasting change are built.

Posted by: A User | Feb 4 2020 21:36 utc | 155

Consider the larger picture. This mess was created not to help any given candidate but to discredit the entire party. If a party cant run its own primary election in a small state who could trust them to run the country. Big winner here is Trump.

Trump just helped Bibi get selected with his Palestinian Plan which is actually Bibis plan. Maybe Bibi returning the favor. The app supposedly has Israeli backers

Anyways, I haven't been following the election, just Fake Wrestling imo, and any interest in doing so has now been extinguished. Want to send a message? Tune out. Completely. When the producers and sponsors of the Fake Wrestling find nobody is watching, declining advertising revenues and bonuses will at least make them squirm. Of course, thats small comfort.

Anyways, you can take 4 more years of Trump to the bank. Not that it makes any difference. Just a matter of genre; comedy or horror or both

Posted by: Pft | Feb 4 2020 21:36 utc | 156

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 4 2020 17:41 utc | 100

Yours is one of the most juicious comments here.

That is my point also, that eventhough Sanders could not be perfect or too an insider in the Democratic party, at this point, he seems the only option available to the left, the best positioned with a chance to be nominated at least, until you grab power and change the rules of the game so that representatives of the people, and not only of the oligarchic class and foreign occupiers in the ME, have a voice and even can access to presidency...

Of course, that will not be a cake walk, nor will be achieved overnight, some of us will not see it, but the other option is going backwards to slavery...I think that especially those who have children should put all the meat in the grinder if they want a hopeful, or even a one, future for them.

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 4 2020 21:40 utc | 157

Buttigieg flip flopping like trump,

"US Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg has backtracked on comments that he would leverage aid to Israel - just days before the Democratic Party's Iowa Caucus.

Speaking at a town hall meeting on Wednesday, a member of IfNotNow, an American-Jewish progressive activist group, asked Buttigieg if he was committed to withdrawing aid from Israel if it annexed illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

"If you're asking me whether in light of the president's proposal I would withdraw aid to Israel, the answer is no," said the former South Bend, Indiana mayor. "

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 21:43 utc | 158

Tulsi Gabbard provokes another Buttigieg flip flop and makes him squirm like a worm during televised debate,

He got Buttzkrieged.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 21:47 utc | 159

Seeing how Putin is in the headline and many have referenced Stalin's maxim about the counting of ballots, I'll plug the link to this Strategic Culture essay detailing the ongoing Cold War during the fighting of WW2 here. The attitude of the British IMO is quite important as is that of FDR's State Department, both of which ought to be compared with the attitude of today's Neocons. At minimum it will provide respite from dealing with Iowa and the latest proof of D-Party corruption and election rigging.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 21:57 utc | 160

This marks a profound shift in America’s view of itself—and its place in the world."

. . .

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 17:09 utc | 91
Actually, the use of "America" instead of "United States" marks a profound shift in the country's view of itself and the world. The name of the country is the United States, or the United States of America. This usage is really starting to get on my nerves (apologies to Bubbles! Not your writing here.). It veils the actual legal structure of the country, and leads to mythologizing, flag-waving thinking and tropes. Kind of like "J-Lo." It also implies that the country "America" is made up of "Americans." This is incorrect. The United States consists of 50 states in a confederation.

America is the name of two continents, it is maybe a nickname for the US empire, but it is not the name of a country.

The introduction of the use of "America" for the USA had imperial, propagandistic overtones. Aware writers should make a point of using the country's actual name.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 4 2020 21:58 utc | 161

All that is happening in the western countries was predicted by Oswald Spengler in "Der Untergang der Abendlandes" (The Decline of the West, 1918) where he describe the organic dynamic of (all) the civilizations (including our "Faustian" civilizaion). As an author pointed out.

Spengler asserts that democracy is simply the political weapon of money, and the media are the means through which money operates a democratic political system. The thorough penetration of money's power throughout a society is yet another marker of the shift from Culture to Civilization (las phase of a High Culture).

Democracy and plutocracy are equivalent in Spengler's argument. He said: "The tragic comedy of the "world-improvers" and "freedom-teachers" is that they are simply assisting money to be more effective. The principles of equality, natural rights, universal suffrage, and freedom of the press are all disguises for class war (the bourgeois against the aristocracy)".

Freedom, to Spengler, is a negative concept, simply entailing the repudiation of any tradition. In reality, freedom of the press requires money, and entails ownership, thus serving money at the end. Suffrage involves electioneering, in which the donations rule the day. The ideologies espoused by candidates, whether Socialism or Liberalism, are set in motion by, and ultimately serve, only money. "Free" press does not spread free opinion—it generates opinion, Spengler maintains.

Spengler admits that in his era (1918) money has already won, in the form of democracy. But in destroying the old elements of the Culture, it prepares the way for the rise of a new and overpowering figure: the Caesar. Before such a leader, money collapses, and in the Imperial Age the politics of money fades away.

Spengler's analysis of democratic systems argues that even the use of one's own constitutional rights requires money, and that voting can only really work as designed in the absence of organized leadership working on the election process. As soon as the election process becomes organized by political leaders, to the extent that money allows, the vote ceases to be truly significant. It is no more than a recorded opinion of the masses on the organizations of government over which they possess no positive influence whatsoever.

Spengler notes that the greater the concentration of wealth in individuals, the more the fight for political power revolves around questions of money. One cannot even call this corruption or degeneracy, because this is in fact the necessary end of mature democratic systems.

On the subject of the press, Spengler is equally contemptuous. He said "Instead of conversations between men, the press and the "electrical news-service" keep the waking-consciousness of whole people and continents under a deafening drum-fire of theses, catchwords, standpoints, scenes, feelings, day by day and year by year." Through the media, money is turned into force—the more spent, the more intense its influence.

For the press to function, universal education is necessary. Along with schooling comes a demand for the shepherding of the masses, as an object of party politics. Those that originally believed education to be solely for the enlightenment of each individual prepared the way for the power of the press, and eventually for the rise of the Caesar. There is no longer a need for leaders to impose military service, because the press will stir the public into a frenzy, clamor for weapons, and force their leaders into a conflict.

I like the next paragraph, of "The Decline of the West", about the period of the triumph of Money over Blood:

"Through the economic history of every Culture there runs a desperate conflict waged by the soil-rooted tradition of a race, by its soul, against the Spirit of Money. The peasant-wars of the beginning of a Late period (in the Classical, 700-500; in the Western, 1450-1650; in the Egyptian, end of Old Kingdom) are the first reaction of the Blood against the Money that is stretching forth its hand from the waxing cities over the soil. [...] Money aims at mobilizing all things. World-economy is the actualized economy of values that are completely detached in thought from the land, and made fluid.
The Classical money-thinking, from Hannibal's day, transformed whole cities into coin and whole populations into slaves and thereby converted both into money that could be brought from everywhere to Rome, and used outwards from Rome as a power.
The Faustian money-thinking "opens up" whole continents, the water-power of gigantic river-basins, the muscular power of the peoples of broad regions, the coal measures, the virgin forests, the Laws of Nature, and transforms them all into financial energy, which is laid out in one way or in another-- in the shape of press, or elections, or budgets, or armies-- for the realization of masters' plans. Ever new values are abstracted from whatever world-stock is still, from the business point of view, unclaimed, "the slumbering spirits of gold," as John Gabriel Borkman says; and what the things themselves are, apart from this, is of no economic significance at all."


Posted by: DFC | Feb 4 2020 22:00 utc | 162

Bubbles @160&161--

Good catches those! Seems typical prevarication by those using Front Stage and Back Stage personas a la Clinton. I'd also say such waffling is the mode of Manchurian Candidates ran by CIA we saw beginning with Ford. IMO, it all depends on how much the USA's public wants to keep what remains of its Republic as all the forces allied against us want to continue to establish an Oligarchy, which is much closer at hand than many perceive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 22:04 utc | 163

the jewish billionaire elephant in the iowa room

Posted by: brian | Feb 4 2020 22:04 utc | 164

Viewing this from the outside, it seems to me that the murder of Jeffrey Epstein marked a turning point within the US political elite, they no long even care about their criminal behaviour being done in broad view of the public. The victory is all important and institutions must be destroyed if they interfere with the declared result. Watching the mainstream media CNN, MSNBC, FOX, even the "approved" alternative news sites like Democracy Now and The Real news, are obviously talking around the central issue of what happened in Iowa, did the DNC torched their own caucus in order to sabotage Bernie, because he wasn't pro-establishment enough? Every thing that has happened in the DNC in the past 5 years makes it a relevant question, but NONE of these "news" sites are discussing it. By delegitimizing it's institutions, traditions and trust The US is replicating every bad decision that destroyed the Soviet Union - it will not end well for America

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 4 2020 22:07 utc | 165

Really?? @163--

The use of America in place of USA began prior to 1776 and expanded thereafter. Yes, proper form is as you describe, and I once protested in similar fashion; but that horse has been out of the corral far too long to be roped in no matter the amount of protesting. Sorry!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 22:10 utc | 166

BREAKING NEWS: 62% of the results from the Iowa Democratic Party are in.


Sanders won the popular vote by 1,190 and yet he now stands at 25.1% to Buttigieg's 26.9%.

Bullshit. We'll see what comes with 100% of the precincts, but so far, the fix is in!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 22:12 utc | 167


I think the defining moment of kleptocratic/oligarchic rule becoming the status quo was the Federal Reserve Act (1913). FDR knocked it back a few paces, but it has been relentlessly lurching towards the abyss since.
Loss of the gold standard (1971, if memory serves correctly), and pretty much all presidencies (and wars) since, seem to have only accelerated the decline.
One could start to suspect that this has been the plan for many a decade (perhaps centuries).

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 4 2020 22:13 utc | 168

As others said, funny headline! Read it this morning . . . since then: Buttigieg defenders have announced on Twitter that the trending MayorCheat hashtag is trending because of Russian bots.

Clearly, they had to admit to incompetence because they want to continue to use the Shadow app. So, Russian "interference" is relegated to things trending on social media.

Posted by: Zee | Feb 4 2020 22:18 utc | 169

Many thanks to Jalpa @ 136 and hard working Greens quietly doing their best to stay relevant! The obstacles are huge but I very much respect what you do. Please join our conversations when that is possible - people need to hear from you.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2020 22:22 utc | 170

Pft @158: This mess was created ... to discredit the entire party.

We'll there's some truth to that - they'd probably cut their own throats before they nominate a popular socialist candidate.

But its become more clear to more people that Sanders goes along with it. And, in doing so, he is providing a service to the establishment and working against the interests of the people that support him.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 4 2020 22:22 utc | 171

Is it a coincidence that Buttigieg and Clinton are both linked to the Zionist Shadow inc. that caused this primary mess in Iowa?

Is it a coincidence that Clinton surfaced just days before the primary trashing Sanders left and right to stop his rise in the polls?

Is it a coincidence that Buttigieg stopped the last poll yesterday from being released?

Is it a coincidence that Buttigieg, a complete unknown, suddenly appeared some months back in the campaign and the fraud media were fawning all over him?

Buttigieg is the foil the PTB are using to get Trump re-elected. I wrote this from the moment he entered the race out of nowhere and the media immediately started tooting his horn on every channel.

This stinks.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 22:28 utc | 172

Biswapriya Purkayast@41, b@42, Lysias@45 Perimetr@49, William Gruff@88, Parisian Guy@126, Bubbles@161 are homophobic dumbfuckery/Trumpery. Taking the claims the app didn't work at face value is stupid. It's not as dumb as believing the check was in the mail...maybe. Also, if the CIA can't put a fix in Iowa they can't put a fix in the national elections, which is should be good news. Also exceedingly stupid is making up conspiracy theories without asking "Cui bono?" That's Biden, if he placed low. There isn't any real reason to think a bump from Iowa will sweep anyone into a win in New Hampshire, hence the BS about spiking BS by this. But, losing big time may be a problem for getting donors who don't want their money on a loser. That means Biden benefits from having Iowa smudged. By far the likeliest scenario is that the app made it difficult for local party regulars to cheat the vote, so that they couldn't get away with it and rather than get caught red-handed, blamed the computer. Also, thinking the DNC wants to run a gay candidate is true dumb fuckery/Trumpery. Buttigieg doesn't have the money to buy SHadow Inc., or ACRONYM. Incidentally Buttigieg was Navy, and the military vs. CIA is a real thing, unlike the witless conspiracy theories concocted here. Truman National Security Project was part of Buttigieg's training, but it seems to have been about damage control by professionals over the strategic and tactical folly of the Iraq war. (Not a morally or politically principled opposition.) Buttigieg is getting support from rich people who want to prove to their gay relatives they aren't homophobic, or from conservatives trying to split social liberals from Sanders. The chances that some conspiracy using the app failed because of incompetence is saying, the party HQ wasn't capable of releasing some figures, then brazening it out. I say, again, they were getting caught at it and pretended to be stupid, just like every kid who went to public school got somewhere they shouldn't be.

Moonshine@65 is at least original in covertly hitting anti-Semitic rather than homophobic buttons.

Posted by: s | Feb 4 2020 22:29 utc | 173

Jon_in_AU @170--

You're not far off the mark, Jon. Yes, the same Class in existence over the past 4,000 years has held the commanding position in the Class War. What happened in 1913 was part of a counter-attack by that Class that began shortly after the US Civil War ended against the reformers driven by the ideas and formulations by what are known as the Classical Economists best exemplified by the political-economic program (sans the silver vs Goldbug debate) sought by the Populist People's Party. Hudson's thesis is the Fed Act was 100% unnecessary as its functions could be (and were) done by the Treasury. The Fed Act was the penultimate Triumph of the Conservatives, not the result of Progressive legislation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 22:29 utc | 174

Inadvertently chopped the username above @175

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 4 2020 22:30 utc | 175

Correction: they robbed Sanders of 5% so far.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 22:31 utc | 176

Second what Really?? wrote @163

I've heard Latin Americans say for many, many years, "America is a continent not a country."

La Segunda Independencia

"I who am an American,
It doesn't matter from what country..."

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 4 2020 22:33 utc | 177

maybe "clusterFUBAR" is a slightly better term for this?

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 20:16 utc | 133

Considering the DNC's exercise in self immolation in 2016 when Her Hillaryness supposedly led trump by 5 or 6 points and the Crowning Ceremony was all that was left to be enjoyed according to those most wonderful analysts, Sanders as I recall was double digits ahead of trump in most polls. Therefore I suggest considering another acronym, SNAFU.

For those not aware and to spare them from going to a search engine, that is short for Situation Normal All Fucked Up.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 22:36 utc | 178

This crossed: Circe@174 is incorrect that the media were fawning over Buttigieg. Where it counted Buttigieg was getting reamed, with New Republic suddenly pretending to be queer-radical dissing Buttigieg for being sexually uptight (seemingly incredible, but true!) or Nathan Robinson going berserk in The National Interest or even WSWS suddenly discovering a pressing need to savage someone no more likely to be the nominee than Marianne Williamson or Andrew Yang or any number. What Circe thinks was positive publicity was about saying, THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOMINATING BUTTGANGER/BUTTPLUG/[etc., ad nauseam]! OMG! OMG! Then they carefully pretended when discussing his chances that being gay was unworthy of mention, to demonstrate how white candidates are foes of black people, so even more black people will stay at home this election. I.e., he's being funded so identity politics can trash the Democratic primaries. Lots of people are offended by his mere existence.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 4 2020 22:39 utc | 179

david @ 164. thank you, after reading your post i'm about to re-read spengler, i was far too young when i read him to fully appreciate him. i'm curious what you think of michael hudson?

Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 4 2020 22:52 utc | 180

"Buttigieg Wins Iowa Delegate Count"

You can bet he will sweep the Red states /: sarc

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 22:55 utc | 181

@173 Jackrabbit tr👺ll

The thought that Sanders would take on such an exhaustive task to run for President at his age just to herd sheep is beyond ludicrous, disrespectful and offensive. ENOUGH!

I'm disgusted with your repetitive nonsensical comments.


Don't try to hide your Trump addiction behind the Green party. It's laughable. You've shown every card in your deck; you're that transparent.


Buttigieg, a gay, privileged snow white Rhodes elitist, who has ZERO support from blacks can never beat Trump; and the real Left don't like him either, cause he's a Neolib centrust and he's not authentic and comes off rehearsed to mimmick Obama. It's that obvious. Even Trump comes off as himself; I'll give him that. Let's see Buttigieg get out of South Carolina unscathed. The PTB are gonna have to CHEAT big to pull off this foil.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 23:02 utc | 182

circe @169, 174, 178 --

You seem . . . surprised. Fascinating.

Your innocence of political realities is oddly charming in small doses, but grows tiresome quickly enough.

Posted by: corvo | Feb 4 2020 23:09 utc | 183

It doesn't take long to realize Buttigieg is just another cookie cutter establishment / Zionist overlords choice. Droll and boring like Jeb, Cruz, Speaker Newt and the rest of stinkers.

I understand completely who has captured the electoral system in the US and where faithful allies dwell, but what I wonder is how long do they think they can keep on rigging the game and throwing the commoners a propaganda bone or a phony populist like trump here and there?

So long as they can keep creating hard core divisions like abortion laws maybe?

Earlier today I posted polling numbers that illustrates things aren't going so well for the Oligarchs if continuing the facade of Democracy is in fact their ultimate game. It might not be.

In the last 12 years views on the value of Democracy as we know it have gone rapidly negative. In the US for example, in 2008 25% of US citizens polled saw their Democratic system negatively. In 2020 55% see it negatively.

Consider this wild and radical thought. Could benevolent dictatorship be the next step for the Davos crowd? The greedy, the power hungry, the psychopaths abandoned their social responsibility to their own countries and rushed to Make China Great Again! Din't they? Maybe because the worst of them don't really have a 'home country', only a port in storm; Israel.

People in the Land of China are like little worker bees, or drones. Western Oligarchs, and Bankers, want that. And more. Individualism must be crushed. Collectivism will be imposed. ??

Am I right to question these things or have I had one too many shots? :) Which isn't necessarily a bad

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 23:16 utc | 184

Send in Crowdstrike to analyze those apps and servers!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The idea that Democrats would shift blame for their failure into others is just another vast right wing conspiracy funded by Russia.
Hillary R. Clinton

(as seen in comments elsewhere)

Posted by: Curtis | Feb 4 2020 23:28 utc | 185

James Carville, that sleazy Clinton political operator was on MSNBC ranting and raving viciously against Bernie Sanders.

I couldn't listen to his vitriol for more than 5 seconds before wanting to throw up and take shower.

So bitter!, Carville your glory days are over. Your boy BUTTGIG's gonna slam into a iron wall of resistance very soon.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 23:35 utc | 186

D.N.C. Identity clusterfuck: Jew / woman / gay.
Congrats to the gay. You have been weaponised.

Posted by: Australian lady | Feb 4 2020 23:41 utc | 187

@paul 18

The question that matters now is whether Sanders will fight back this time.

That is indeed the million dollar question. Does Sanders have what it takes to fight fire with fire? His opponents are out to destroy him, and if he and his campaign team don’t understand that, he is going to get Corbynized and it will be a rerun of 2016.

Bringing a knife to a gunfight is not a good strategy.

If Hillary Clinton’s recent very public trashing of him (considering he campaigned for her in 2016 even after she screwed him over) and this voting app comedy of errors don’t clue Sanders and his handlers in on what kind of people they are dealing with, nothing will.

Posted by: Daniel | Feb 4 2020 23:42 utc | 188

I feel compelled to post because my nom de jour is being besmirched. I'm independent which means I hate both parties. Having said that I would point out that Bolshevik Bernie isn't the answer. After being raped by the crony capitalists, corporatists, facists, socialists or otherwise, the US is on its last legs. Our future has been usurped and the Treasury looted. Now what do we do? The forever wars cannot continue. The military is the single largest polluter. Things look dire. As an old white guy, I take exception to some comments here. If, and when they try to round us up to the gulags, there certainly will be some stupid white women who cheered it on. Don't think for a minute that you'll be spared. The Iowa caucus is and was a farce. All I'm trying to say is that all of you in the US are vulnerable to the vagaries of deception. Thanks b. Still love you brother.

Posted by: Shadow | Feb 4 2020 23:44 utc | 189

i like the humour - send in crowdstrike and etc. etc...

@ william gruff.. thanks for your 2 posts on this thread.. good stuff and i agree with you...

''Second what Really?? wrote @163'' - make it 3rd, but as karlof1 notes, that horse has been out of the barn a long time! it accurately reflects the nature of exceptional empire..

this is definitely a win for trump no matter how you splice it... dems are grounded.. it is quite pathetic actually..

Posted by: james | Feb 4 2020 23:47 utc | 190

I'd also say such waffling is the mode of Manchurian Candidates

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2020 22:04 utc | 165

Indeed karlof1. So many gingerbread candidates, so few real choices.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 23:49 utc | 191

Sanders looks like he's going to win, Biden is in 4th place, and problems with the vote counting app -
oh yeah, big surprise.

Posted by: ian | Feb 4 2020 23:55 utc | 192

I could care less about any of these shenanigans going on here in the USA. Same goes with the Coronavirus. Do you get that from drinking Mexican beer at a Chinese restaurant? No wonder I preferred Negra Modelo when I used to drink.

Our host made me laugh with his headline. It doesn't matter who wins here in the USA. We'll sit still and speak when spoken to and obey the zionist master.

But thank you DFC @ 164 for the Oswald Spengler posting. I want to learn about economics. It seems to be the root of all the stuff that gets discussed here. I am also quite interested in Michael Hudson noted by @ 182 emersonreturn. Any suggestions for a newbie to economics?

I am surprised by how much people seem to be embracing socialism via Sanders though. The whole socialist experiment seems to have been an absolute failure in the former Soviet Union. I guess they're still giving it a go in Cuba, Belarus and North Korea. To me the dictatorship of the proletariat is still a dictatorship. I guess the reasoning is that we'll get it right this time?
But hey, what do I know? I don't vote either. I refuse to validate a corrupt system by participating. Thankfully I am well past my prime, and I will be checking out soon. It's nice to see that people care though.

Thanks everyone for the stimulating conversation!

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 5 2020 0:08 utc | 193

Circe @178: ... they robbed Sanders of 5% so far.

We don't know that they've "robbed" Sanders of votes. Probably just cherry-picked them.

But they have stolen his thunder and "robbed" him of valuable media coverage.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 0:12 utc | 194

@185 corvo buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz😴ff!

@190 Daniel

I said this election is going to be the dirtiest ever, and day one proved me right. Bernie's supporters are badass. They were spitting fire on twitter until early a.m. They have what it takes to stick by him and fight to the finish. And Bernie has a battle-hardened ground operation.

@189 Australian lady

Maybe you're with Trump cause in the REAL world no mousey gay, elitist neophyte weasel coming on stage holding hands with his nerdy elitiist husband is gonna defeat Trump.

Buttigieg is being financed, hyped, prepped and propped for one reason only: to give Trump a second term. The majority of Zionists on both sides are all in with Trump and they know Buttigieg is the perfect unsuspecting foil blinded by an ego on par with Obama's.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 5 2020 0:17 utc | 195

Hillary Clinton will Buttigieg VP. His team is close to the Clintons.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 0:22 utc | 196

I'm hoping that Buttplug will reveal that he/she is transgender before the next primary.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 0:22 utc | 197

I mean, what could be more perfect for the left than a gay, transgender candidate?

Well, ok, he/she is not black . . . .

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 0:24 utc | 198


Economics is basically pseudoscience. The economic statistics are manipulated to deceive. They hold little value in an absolute sense although trends may be discerned. John Williams at shadow-stats and of course Michael Hudson explain that.

Money creation is the key to understanding financial vulture capitalism. Start with the Bank of Englands confession (i broke the link with a space to prevent it messing up formatting here)


Read Ellen Browns web of debt and blog. A book on the central bank of all central banks, about the BIS called the Tower of Basel is illuminating. William Engdahl has a fascinating article on his blog on the money behind the new green economy that will replace the current system

Posted by: Pft | Feb 5 2020 0:25 utc | 199

Looks like the official fix is in.

With 62% on the official Iowa Caucus count site they have Buttigieg = 362.637 vs. Sanders = 337.887.

My guess is that this means if Bernie wants to "win" Iowa he will have to fight it out in court. Surely that will take longer than til November.

Posted by: Eric in Kansas | Feb 5 2020 0:27 utc | 200

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