Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results
Unprecedented cybersecurity measures being taken to safeguard Iowa caucus results - Jan 29 2020
No one knows how many of Iowa’s 1,700 precinct leaders will opt to use a new smartphone app to report Democratic caucus results Monday night. But the security of that app will be the source of much scrutiny.After reports of Russian hacking attempts in the 2016 presidential election, party leaders are taking unprecedented precautions to protect against cybersecurity breaches and the spread of disinformation on social media.
On Wednesday, Democratic Party officials in Iowa and Washington confirmed that the Democratic National Committee is deploying security staff to work with the state party to assist with any caucus problems.
Democratic Party @DNC - 22:16 UTC · Feb 3, 2020
For three years, we’ve been preparing for the process that officially kicks off tonight in Iowa: the Democratic presidential primary. Today our chair, @TomPerez, reflects on the reforms we’ve made to make this the most transparent primary in our history: How We Prepared for 2020
NPR Politics @nprpolitics - 5:33 UTC · Feb 4, 2020"By all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious," Pete Buttigieg said in a late-night speech.
0% of Iowa caucus results are in.
Walker Bragman @WalkerBragman - 5:59 UTC · Feb 4, 2020Not great optics here, folks:
- Dems paid company literally called Shadow to create caucus app
- Buttigieg campaign also paid Shadow, FEC records show
- Caucus app fails
- Buttigieg declares himself Iowa winner with no results
Pro-Israel Buttigieg backer Seth Klarman is top funder of group behind Iowa’s disastrous voting app
At the time of publication, twelve hours after voting in the Democratic Party’s Iowa caucuses ended, the results have not been announced. The delay in reporting is the result of a failed app developed by a company appropriately named Shadow Inc.This firm was staffed by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama campaign veterans and created by a Democratic dark money nonprofit backed by hedge fund billionaires including Seth Klarman. A prolific funder of pro-settler Israel lobby organizations, Klarman has also contributed directly to Pete Buttigieg’s campaign.
The Sanders campaign published its internal count from some 40% of the precincts which they say are representative. Their unofficial result:
Sanders - 30%; Buttigieg - 25%; Warren - 21%; Biden - 12%; Klobucher - 11%; all others < 1%
What a clusterfuck.
Posted by b on February 4, 2020 at 12:16 UTC | Permalink
next page »Dear excellent b. The head line is belly laugh funny - which momentarily offsets the pitiful - as you say - clusterfuck. murka
is more and more ridiculous although lamentably still more and more violent. Anyway. thank you.
Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 4 2020 12:32 utc | 2
Moon:
For a profoundly factual and analytical site, you demonstrated and equally profound sense of humor.
Your headline about Putin broke me into a belly laugh and I hadn't even had my first cup of coffee yet.
Posted by: Tom Verso | Feb 4 2020 12:33 utc | 3
- "Putin Prepares To Release The Iowa Caucus Results" ??? LMAO !!!!!
- Yeah, sure. In 2016 the Democratic establishment pulled a lot of levers, worked hard to undermine the political chances of one Bernie Sanders. Sanders was much more popular than the establishment Democrats liked.
- A number of political commentators have seen that the Democrats didn't like that some establishment Democrats were voted out of office. (e.g Joe Crowly defeated by Alexandria Ocasio Cortez). The Democrats have changed the rules in favour of the establishment Democrats.
Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 4 2020 12:38 utc | 4
I had been waiting for someone to make a joke like this. The Democrats seemingly unable to make an app - or maybe the WRONG candidate won!
Posted by: Kaiama | Feb 4 2020 12:39 utc | 5
Axis of evil: Russia, China, and Iran hackers
I just read a MintPress article about our highly politicized list of evil hackers.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/media-israel-intelligence-2020-elections-cyber-security/264361/
This one mentions the minions in the press corps quoting 'govt sources' as well as Think Tanks with their glossy presentations but I've heard Homeland Security officials for myself say this on FOX [for someone who hates FOX I sure do willfully torment myself].
Where's North Korea
MintPress also notes the willful omission of Israel but I also love how North Korea is either a ring leader or a non-player depending where they are on the diplomacy cycle. This is why people in the U.S. should know they are being lied to. How can North Korea one day be the most proficient hacker of all time with the Sony Hacking and the next day not even mentioned?
Iran, seriously?
They have bigger fish to fry. I bet all of their resources are tied up combating our cyber espionage and finding ways to avoid our illegal trade embargo. There is not pro-Iranian social media, 99% of Iranian coverage is prepping us for the Dresden genocide. To claim that Iran is invading social media is again evidence that the U.S. govt and their minions are lying to us.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Feb 4 2020 12:42 utc | 6
- "Disastrous voting app" ?? I assume it did preciseley what the app is/was supposed to do. This is meant to rig the election in favour of one of the candidates. But which one ? It's similar to what happened in 2016 when the the voting process was rigged in favour of one Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 4 2020 12:46 utc | 7
Gee, who could have predicted this? One has to wonder if they didn't test their app (this is the norm, really, if it executes a few times without blowing up, it's good for "user testing".) or they made it to break on command or they just don't like the result. Do we need three and a half years to accept this result like with Brexit?
Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 4 2020 12:49 utc | 8
Sanders all the way
I'm a Sanders man all the way [sticking w/top tier]. Warren is surrounding herself with Hawks and is a shameless opportunist and the rest of the Democrats go downhill from their.
Trump ... he just assassinated an officer and brought us to the brink of war, can't spin that. True, he is 1/10th of a degree better than the apocalyptic loons like Graham, Cotton, Pence, and Pompeo but that's like saying he's not a criminally insane genocidal maniac; just a more cautious one.
I actually like Sanders; not even a lesser of evils choice. Like Reagan was, he's a man for these times.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Feb 4 2020 12:52 utc | 9
Buttigieg channeling Guaido
wtf is he talking about? Dems should have hired the firm that Maduro used in Venezuela. Not being sarcastic. They actually did do a good job.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Feb 4 2020 12:55 utc | 10
Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 4 2020 12:46 utc | 7
If this was supposed to get rigged, conspiracy would suggest it was supposed to get rigged for Pete Buttigieg. His campaign partly funded the app and is connected to the company that programmed it.
He did the premature winner's speech every color revolution playbook suggests.
The empire has now entered the phase of internal color revolutions. What goes around comes around.
Iowan Democrats have a complete paper trail of results, all depends now on their abilitiy to count. I would consider this suspicious if they claim they cannot count and cancel the results. Failed software rollouts are the norm not the exception.
Posted by: somebody | Feb 4 2020 12:57 utc | 11
The 2020 election should be put on hold and kept in suspense until the 12016 election is settled. That 'technical device' used is also known as "The Constitution", its members are states and those states populations are accounted in each state's electoral vote. This was the compromise agreed and set into the foundation document. Not perfect but serves well enough. Some seem to confuse universal suffrage for voting for representatives to a Republic with some myth of democratic right to rule directly. Has not been that way - ever. Only the wilfully ignorant will hold otherwise.
The PussyPink crypto-colour revolution set in motion less than 20 hours after the 45th president took the oath of office, still has their objective the nullification of the 2016 election and the disruption of #45's administration and if possible negation of the ability of that office to govern. An extremely dangerous door to have opened, no telling the daemons that will emerge; the Republic has been holed beneath the waterline and cannot be repaired half the crew set against the others.
A prescription for the 2020 election most effective might be a small bottle of insanity pills, taken in high enough dosage to preclude the political insanity from infusing into the consciousness, using the theory that entropy works. [C1ue can explain entropy should wikipedia fail.]
Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 4 2020 13:01 utc | 12
If I'm a betting man, I would bet on Trump crushing these losers 100% of the time in the election.
What a clusterf of incompetents.
Posted by: Cycloben | Feb 4 2020 13:02 utc | 13
This commenter almost spit their morning coffee all over their monitor when they saw "Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results". Wonderfully done, b.
Posted by: Cynica | Feb 4 2020 13:05 utc | 14
Clusterfuck?!!! Of course it could all be a massive crazy quilt of purely unintentional errors. Sure.
Or, more likely, the app worked perfectly.
Posted by: paul | Feb 4 2020 13:22 utc | 15
"Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results" - LOL. Awesome!
Posted by: TG | Feb 4 2020 13:23 utc | 16
The question that matters now is whether Sanders will fight back this time.
Posted by: paul | Feb 4 2020 13:26 utc | 17
Thanks B for your opening headline. Put a smile on my morning and saved the day.
Posted by: Myopia Longshot | Feb 4 2020 13:27 utc | 18
Max Blumenthal: The conspiracy theories write themselves.
Looks like this app is involved with all the usual suspects
Posted by: somebody | Feb 4 2020 13:27 utc | 19
Russia undermining our democratic process again? Well, you have to have democracy in the first place in order to be able to undermine it.
Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Feb 4 2020 13:27 utc | 20
And in 24 hours, we will find out that somehow (presto-change-o) Hillary Clinton won the Iowa caucuses. Ta-da! Yes, I am being sarcastic, but only somewhat. It actually wouldn't surprise me.
It's all mysterious - call it a kind of crystal blue persuation sort of election process, wherein nobody knows how the results came about, but we are assured they are valid and that every citizen had his vote counted. Unless he didn't, in which case the Supreme Court will step in and simply announce the voters' choices for us. And then we will be assured that justice has been done and that this is the normal way democracies work.
And that's how we roll in the old USA now. Shit, they don't even care if you see what they are doing. It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up. They openly showed up and began prancing around in earnest round about the year 2000, folks; they're taking it all and laughing right in our slack-jawed faces.
Posted by: teri | Feb 4 2020 13:27 utc | 21
Wow I don't know how I didn't expect them to be so brazen, they will never allow Bernie to win, if he is ahead they will just say the Russians hacked the results.
Posted by: Bob burger | Feb 4 2020 13:30 utc | 22
I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC now claims that Killary won in Iowa
Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Feb 4 2020 13:32 utc | 23
More more I read about this buttegig guy, he is so clearly a CIA agent, I mean who the hell goes to somaliland for vacation? Lol
Posted by: Bob burger | Feb 4 2020 13:37 utc | 24
What a stupid word. Who the fuck uses a word like clusterfuck anyway. Never heard or seen it used anywhere other than this stupid fucking blog. Who gives a fuck anyway about these stupid fucking brain dead American politicians?
Posted by: DM | Feb 4 2020 13:38 utc | 25
Here we have what's simultaneously the most brazen and most incompetently bungled attempt at election fraud yet. They should've brought back the Watergate Plumbers, or at least the Three Stooges.
Funny headlines aside, I look forward to hearing how they try to blame this on the Russians.
These mounting [email protected] seem tailor-made to erode faith in electoralism. If it's not eroding your faith, it should be.
I doubt that's the system's goal - a fake "democracy" facade is a key part of the neoliberal formula. I'd put this in the same category as Boeing or Pentagon procurement, one of the ever-mounting boondoggles as their system becomes too complex and corporate-psychopathic for them to handle.
Also, they've long been snorting their own stuff where it comes to techno-wingnuttery. They really think all this e-voting improves their scam.
Finally, they're outsmarting themselves. They think only in terms of how techno-voting can be used for smooth invisible manipulation and fraud. They don't think of how big public screw-ups like this erode the ground of public faith and tolerance from under them. Not just the Democratic Party but the whole fake electoral religion.
Meanwhile, if Sanders really isn't a sheep-dogger and really is for real this time around, now's certainly the time to say so by openly proclaiming he's not going to sit still and let the win be stolen from him the way he did last time.
Sanders' campaign needs to bring its delegates together and prepare for the Convention. It will not be too difficult for the various caucuses to reproduce the results that the DNC has stolen and to insist that they are the official convention delegates.
The DNC has lost all credibility at this stage and the message for Sanders is clear-this is going to have to be a Third Party challenge. At every primary the DNC can be expected to suppress or falsify voting results- it is a reminder that ought to be the centre of the campaign in South Carolina, that the Democrats are the party of Jim Crow, the leaders of the Klan were all Democrats. It was the Democrats who killed Reconstruction. It was the Democrats who set up the system of Segregation later copied in South Africa and Israel. It was the Democrats who perfected the criminal machine like that of the Daly family and Tammany Hall in New York. It was the Democrats who planned and carried out the 1898 massacres in North Carolina that out an end to the Populist movement-across the racial divide- there.
The time has come to drive a stake through the heart of the party of Perez, Clinton, Biden et al.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 4 2020 13:50 utc | 27
If you get the chance (or can be bothered), I would recommend watching the Coen Brothers' film: "Burn After Reading".
Therein ye shall find the phrase "clusterfuck" uttered by a CIA branch chief.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 4 2020 13:50 utc | 28
Democratic Party @DNC - 22:16 UTC · Feb 3, 2020
For three years, we’ve been preparing for the process that officially kicks off tonight in Iowa: the Democratic presidential primary.
Ah, I see. I was wondering how they were planning to "win" an election. Not through voting but through a digital app. Makes sense (DNC style).
People's "votes" are just so outmoded, folks. What matters today is not peoples' votes but fashionable "green friendly" computer software. It responds more favourably to Big Brother's policies and gives a smoother user experience, hiccups are a thing of the past.
Erm, what did you say? App failed? No, you misunderstand. The app didn't fail, people just failed to respond correctly to the latest and most important fads, lead by the most important app today. Don't worry, Big Brother will sort it out by the next primary, if necessary with some nice big rubbery bouncers at the booths to make sure people understand the app correctly. Just a small voter hiccup. Move along folks, nothing to see here.
Posted by: BM | Feb 4 2020 13:51 utc | 29
Someone pointed out that a deliberate scam to screw Bernie probably plays better with voters than the clusterfxxx.
Posted by: Michael Droy | Feb 4 2020 13:52 utc | 30
@16
When I wrote "clusterf", I meant they were not even competent enough at cheating. Say what you want about Trump, but at least he is a world class cheat.
Posted by: Cycloben | Feb 4 2020 13:56 utc | 31
The people who still pretend the Electoral College is moral and just are the same scumbags who tell us America is a republic, not a democracy. They are the political equivalent of AfD.
Quoting Walker Bragman about how Buttigieg had no official results backing his claim of victory, then quoting Sanders' private result claiming victory, pretty much gives it away. Given that Iowa's caucus system is ideal for an activist minority to take win, 30% is not nearly so impressive as Sanders would have us believe.
The insinuations of hanky panky because Seth Klarman, Jew, are borderline anti-Semitic. Seth Klarman is perfectly entitled to give some money to Buttigieg to show his gay relatives he supports gays. The insinuations that Obama operatives aren't pro-Biden is stupid, and the insinuation that Clinton operatives are pro-Buttigieg is also stupid. (Clinton only supports serious candidates and causes, i.e., proven winners who service the wealthy.)
Cui bono? Trump. So much for any conspiracy theories that don't start with him.
But before leaping to any conclusions about apps, which is apt to be an excuse rather than a cause, consider the cancellation of the Iowa Poll. Information leaked powerfully suggests that the polls were found to be contaminated by the workers polling deliberately omitting Buttigieg, and that this was not just one incident. The idea that fealty to Israel/Obama was responsible without thinking anti-gay shenanigans is suitably reactionary.
In short, Trumpery reigns, at Moon of Alabama, if not Iowa.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 4 2020 13:57 utc | 32
I get the distinct impression that the "deep state" wants Pete to win. Beware the presidential candidate that comes out of nowhere. Military intelligence background. Major red flag for Mayor Pete. But he's gay!
Posted by: Erin | Feb 4 2020 14:00 utc | 33
Putins Elves working OT provide security for the Iowa caucus? Publication of results await tampering.
meanwhile presstv reports Iran has dismantled an integrated CIA spy network.. Imagine that..
Syria media reports Israeli soldiers attack Palestinian students; shoot journalist with Tear gas. and
peace plan attack
Posted by: snake | Feb 4 2020 14:04 utc | 34
Who needs the Russians when the democrats are perfectly capable of fixing their own elections
Posted by: Tucson69 | Feb 4 2020 14:19 utc | 36
@37
Well, seeing how hard they fail at it, maybe some "adult supervision" is in order? Heh.
Posted by: Cycloben | Feb 4 2020 14:24 utc | 37
Just in case nobody mentioned it here:
BREAKING: Putin appoints Juan Guaido to be winner of Ohio caucus.
Posted by: Lurk | Feb 4 2020 14:26 utc | 38
@DM What a stupid word. Who the fuck uses a word like clusterfuck anyway. Never heard or seen it used anywhere other than this stupid fucking blog.
Urban dictionary: Clusterfck
Top definition
clusterfuck
A Huge problem or situationMilitary
clusterfuck
Military term for an operation in which multiple things have gone wrong. Related to "SNAFU" (Situation Normal, All Fucked Up") and "FUBAR" (Fucked Up Beyond All Repair).In radio communication or polite conversation (i.e. with a very senior officer with whom you have no prior experience) the term "clusterfuck" will often be replaced by the NATO phonetic acronym "Charlie Foxtrot."
Miltary term for a situation caused by too many inept officers, cluster referring to the insignia worn my majors and LT. Colenels, oak leaf clusters.
So can we assume that Buttplug is the preferred candidate of the racist fascist apartheid colonial zionist settler entity in Occupied Palestine? Wasn't der Twitterführer obsequious *enough* to suit the zios?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 4 2020 14:32 utc | 40
This does not smell, this stinks to high heaven
Shadow Inc launched on 17th Jan 2019. Mayor Pete announces run for President on 23rd Jan. CEO of company that owns Shadow tweets out her support. New CEO of Shadow worked for Hillary's campaign. Pete's campaign gives giant contributions to Shadow. This all reeks #IowaCaucuses
The only candidate in memory to call attention to "rigged" elections is the guy on whose behalf the 2016 election was rigged. Billionaires buy whatever they want and digital technology offers the best deals around. Gore was wrecked by his association with Clinton "third way" bullshit, not to mention cowardice. Elections have been bought since 2000.No one calls attention to rigged elections except the con man.The American majority is not right wing libertarian plutocrat. The voice of the people has been muzzled. Bernie could speak up, but he doesn't.
Posted by: jadan | Feb 4 2020 14:41 utc | 42
Just watched a CNN interview with some mayor of some big Iowa town talk about the caucus that he ran. Said the app worked fine. Said Pete clearly won. Naming the top 3 winners, BERNIE WAS NOT MENTIONED.
Posted by: aqualech | Feb 4 2020 14:41 utc | 43
I wonder if the CIA instructed Buttigieg to come out as gay in 2015, thinking that first gay president would be something that he could run on, like Obama ran as first black president and Hillary as first female president. All stooges of the establishment and the intel community.
Posted by: lysias | Feb 4 2020 14:43 utc | 44
John Judge used to say we have selections not elections. They can't pick up a phone and call in the results, they need an app.
Posted by: dltravers | Feb 4 2020 14:44 utc | 45
Quentin Hart, the black mayor of Waterloo, Iowa, endorsed Buttigieg. Was it him?
Posted by: lysias | Feb 4 2020 14:48 utc | 46
I think Putin did not do that, in fact this is an Iranian retaliation for the murder of Soleimani...
Now seriously, as Emma Goldman once said: "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal"
Before they "concede" a Bernie's victory they will burn the Reichstag.
Step by step, day by day we are approaching to a "Ceausescu moment":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcRWiz1PhKU
Posted by: DFC | Feb 4 2020 14:52 utc | 47
Why believe anything these bastards tell us? Without paper ballots, its all completely BS.
It's just as likely that Tulsi won as Buttplug
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 14:54 utc | 48
"The question that matters now is whether Sanders will fight back this time.
Posted by: paul | Feb 4 2020 13:26 utc | 18"
+++++
Yes, that is THE question.
Posted by: Really?? | Feb 4 2020 15:01 utc | 49
Democrats are the party of sustained hype and dramatic fizzle:
Hillary the sure thing: two years of hype and one night of fizzle.
Mueller will get Trump: two more years of hype and fizzle.
Impeachment: six months of hype and fizzle.
Iowa: another year of hype and then fizzle...a total melt down.
Who could possibly support this gang of total incompetents? Anybody but comedians still willing to admit that they’re Democrats?
Time for Bernie to form a third party.
Posted by: JohnH | Feb 4 2020 15:02 utc | 50
Why is an app needed for voting in a caucus and counting the results?
Seems like third-grade arithmetic to me. Maybe fourth, since you have to carry numbers to the next column to the left . .
Don't they have any phones in Iowa?
Posted by: Really?? | Feb 4 2020 15:10 utc | 51
I was posting this comment on open thread when I noticed this new thread here that inludes the Grayzone article I posted before the following comment I was ready to post on OT:
I want to post excerpts from the article I just posted, but it's so damning of the Zionist corruption that exists in the U.S. political process THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN! Look Zionists literally eviscerated Corbyn's campaign--there is no refuge from their corruption.
So now they're using the excuse of protecting elections from Russia to rig U.S. elections and sabotage Sanders path to the nomination. This proves I was right all along that Sanders is real and the entire establishment is against him.
BUTTIGIEG IS THE SPOILER TO RE-ELECT TRUMP.
I said this months ago when b posted that article critical of Buttigieg's mayoral experience when he came out as a practically unknown contender for the Democratic nomination.
Hey! I posted that Grayzone article on the open thread earlier. Check the time of my OT post. Or do great minds think this alike simultaneously? Where's my h/t?
Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 15:15 utc | 52
The fact that the Democrats can't even rig their own election without the whole thing exploding in the most obvious, ham-fisted farce imaginable is what I find real shocking. Of course if you watch the mainstream media you'll just see a jeez whiz mister, no one could have seen this coming reaction. Which is again, so obviously untrue. Trump has no better friend then the incompetent Democrats and their lickspittle friends in the Media, watching this Sh*tshow from the outside, I can only imagine how many independent voters are just going to shut out this whole election in disgust of the establishment behaviour
Posted by: Kadath | Feb 4 2020 15:18 utc | 53
First, loved the headline too. Otherwise--was it Obama's first or second election??-- when newly used software caused troubles too? ... GOP then? Newly used software, but no training given to the people using it? Ok, not quite of this size.
workers polling deliberately omitting Buttigieg...anti-gay shenanigans is suitably reactionary.
...In short, Trumpery reigns, at Moon of Alabama, if not Iowa.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 4 2020 13:57 utc | 33
Steven what are you refering to via "workers polling".
How are early voting numbers collected in the US? Are there differences between States and nationwide elections
Over here they use polling firms at voting places for early reports, I understand.
Software/App, only semi-related. Supposing that campaign supporters use their own reporting back routines along party lines.
Was the app used by some campaign supporters reporting back numbers from every place? And Sanders supporters were not given them, but Buttigieg's and mainstream/center Demcrat candidate's supporters. All others.
Posted by: Vig | Feb 4 2020 15:22 utc | 54
Brilliant lead, Mr. B. And thanks again for your take on Wuhan. And I agree with a poster above: What was wrong with paper ballots? Seemed to work for more than 200 years? How does one view this FUBAR situation? There must be a less messy, less Keystone Cops way to hand it to Buttigeg. Are they (DNC, Unit 8200) deliberately intent on making themselves look wholly incompetent?
Posted by: casey | Feb 4 2020 15:24 utc | 55
First the poll
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/us/politics/des-moines-register-polls-iowa-caucus.html
Now the 'official polling"
Huh
Posted by: Terence Gore | Feb 4 2020 15:27 utc | 56
i would like to commend b on the completely appropriate use of the word "clusterfuck" in this article.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 4 2020 15:28 utc | 57
RE: pretzelattack | Feb 4 2020 15:28 utc | 58
"i would like to commend b on the completely appropriate use of the word "clusterfuck" in this article."
I agree and think "astounding, unbelievable, historic, F*CKING UNBELIEVABLE" would be appropriate to add to the well-established terminology, too.
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 15:30 utc | 58
This is repost from nuther thread
I do not understand why there is, what the need is, for any "application"...is it because people can't trust their lyin' eyes?
A little story>
A few km north of my "LZ" there a little town. It's been there, and about the same size of 10,000 souls, since about 1850, and it was a Red Indian Town before that...I'd say 'bout 10,000 years.
Pretty much all the adult men (and they listened to their mothers) voted on pretty much everything they wanted to. Starting about 10,000 years ago. After the Red Indians were more or less liquidated, and the remote Indian bivouacs rounded up and marched overland toward the sea, the adult men still listened to their mothers and wives and still voted on pretty much whatever they wanted to vote about. The only difference was that when they voted it was by a show of hands in front of the Courthouse, wearing pistols...
What possible need can there be for an "application" except that is a blindfold?
Posted by: Walter | Feb 4 2020 15:32 utc | 59
The humor is great but this a very serious matter.
While everyone focuses on the foul-up and speculation of "who won", what is ignored is that Bernie is losing valuable media exposure.
DNC has stolen Bernie's thunder
Every news show talking about Trump's SOTU speech tonight should be talking about Bernie's victory. But because of this oh-so-convenient screw up, they will not.
Why am I not surprised?
!!
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 4 2020 15:34 utc | 60
I was involved in the 2016 Democratic primary as a volunteer in Bernie Sanders' campaign. Shenanigans like what is happening in Iowa now happened in some 13-15 states in 2016. Once one sees the Democratic voting corruption, one can never not see. They used many tricks - stripping voting rolls, the Nevada caucus result was overturned on site, AP announcing the super delegates votes for HRC the night before the CA primary, etc. It seems that the DNC will do whatever it takes to get their anointed candidate nominated. If all else fails, there are the super delegates at the convention. And back then, Bernie did nothing. He folded behind HRC. As a number of you have asked - will he stand up to the corruption this time, and call it out?
Posted by: Cynthia | Feb 4 2020 15:35 utc | 61
From one of the links in b’s post:
We take our responsibility to protect the integrity of our democratic process and secure Iowans’ votes very seriously,” said Iowa party Chairman Troy Price. “We continue to work closely with security experts to prepare our systems and we are confident in the security systems we have in place.”
After such a statement, one knows that the democratic process does not exist, it is a enforced, banal simulacrum. (> "You gotta adhere.")
See the boiler-plate language, formulations, similar to military and medical obfuscations:
> “We take our responsibility to protect the integrity of our soldiers and secure them very seriously.. ” (not)
> “We continue to work closely with medical experts to prepare our systems and we are confident in the security systems we have in place…” (not)
Meaning, we are taking useless measures or none but dont give a sh*t or pretend to be not accountable, etc.
Posted by: Noirette | Feb 4 2020 15:37 utc | 62
"clusterfuck" is a well known word in the American slang.
I used it a lot at work when things happen to go ballistic and an appropriate word was needed to describe the situation to outsiders.
Posted by: Tom_LX | Feb 4 2020 15:37 utc | 63
From 2016 to now, the main take-away from U.S. elections is that americans don't like each other. All talk of any revolts/revolution by the people, will not occur.
Posted by: SharonM | Feb 4 2020 15:48 utc | 64
"The question that matters now is whether Sanders will fight back this time.
Posted by: paul | Feb 4 2020 13:26 utc | 18"
+++++
Yes, that is THE question.
Posted by: Really?? | Feb 4 2020 15:01 utc | 50
= = =
This election foul-up will be blamed on 'Mayor Cheat' instead of DNC - but we all know that DNC had a hand in this.
IMO Sanders will do what he did in 2016: feeble complaints about the worst things, playing down of others, and pretending to "rise above" the fray as he soldiers on to the Convention. HE KNOWS that at that point it's too late for his followers to form a third-party.
The Zionist establishment (of which Sanders is part), is overjoyed that Trump is "locked and loaded" for war with Iran.
The only way to extract USA & The Western World from the grip of the secretive Zionist-Supremist Death Cult is via MOVEMENTS for Democracy and Peace.
!!
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 4 2020 15:53 utc | 65
remember israeli firm cellebrite?
most articles skim over whether the election app is ios, android or both but apparently most non-android and non-huawei models of phones can be easily accessed by these jackasses.
"Cellebrite was less successful with phones running Android and other operating systems, though. The UFED tool was unable to properly extract any social media, internet browsing, or GPS data from devices like the Google Pixel 2 and Samsung Galaxy S9 or messages and call logs from the Ellipsis 8 and Galaxy Tab S2 tablets. It got absolutely nothing from Huawei’s P20 Pro phone."
damn those chinese and their lack of backdoors, amirite? at least we can always have canada arrest their daughters and such.
Posted by: the pair | Feb 4 2020 15:53 utc | 66
The controlled media and national security state will make sure all movements are flushed down the toilet.
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 15:54 utc | 67
This is what I posted earlier on the Open Thread before I even saw this thread here:
NO IT'S NOT RUSSIA, BUT GUESS WHO???Pro-Israel Buttigieg backer Seth Klarman is top funder of group behind Iowa’s disastrous voting app
And Ziofascism isn't in control?
If this clusterfuck proves anything now, it's that ISRAEL and the ZIONIST estblishment are trying to stop Bernie from winning the nomination!!!
Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 14:25 utc | 218
Hat tip please...
@54 Kadath
Trump has no better friend then the incompetent Democrats and their lickspittle friends in the Media, watching this Sh*tshow from the outside, I can only imagine how many independent voters are just going to shut out this whole election in disgust of the establishment behaviour
Quit tooting Trump's horn. Ziofascist Trump is in on all the Zio-corruption. Buttigieg is the Dem spoiler that will ensure a Trump victory. It's all fixed for 4 more years of Trump ziofascism.
Sanders is STILL IN THE RACE. Indies should support him more than ever now. And for those who think Sanders would stand a better chance against the establishment with a 3rd Party, you're either dreaming or all in with another Trump term!
Lemme tell you something: It's good Sanders is running with the Dems because this is EXPOSING the DNC for who they really are and there will be MORE sabotage shenanigans to come cause no matter what the establishment throws his way, Sanders is going to the convention with the people's MAJORITY SUPPORT.
Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 15:57 utc | 68
Posted by: Terence Gore | Feb 4 2020 15:27 utc | 57
Thanks Terence, now I understand Steven's cute little reference and a lot of suspicious chatter.
The poll is conducted by telephone from a call center, where operators read from a prepared script of candidates’ names to determine who a voter plans to support. One operator had apparently enlarged the font size on their computer screen, perhaps cutting off Mr. Buttigieg’s name from the list of options, according to two people familiar with the incident who did not have permission to speak about it publicly.
Posted by: Vig | Feb 4 2020 15:58 utc | 69
Democracy American style or math is just hard?? I'm confused.
"Des Moines Precinct 80:
Bernie’s group had 101 people
Pete’s group had 66 people"
Which apparently required a coin toss at one point for some reason or other. The results of which were,
"Bernie & Pete end up tied at 4 delegates following a coin toss."
Video evidence included here;
https://twitter.com/jaylencavil/status/1224531122354298881
Newton's law ensues;
https://tenor.com/view/banging-head-on-wall-stick-figure-gif-14752217
Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 16:00 utc | 70
@ b 42
You went there. I need a new keyboard. In the shadows.
Donald Trump Jr tweeted "Clinton the Winner?" Spot on.
Mish Nate Silver on the Iowa Shit Show
Mish notes: "Off-site and out of sight"3% counted and holding
Or is it 5% and subtracting?
Or is it 1% counted and adding?[.]
Some precinct chairs struggled to transmit caucus results, according to people familiar with the situation, both via a mobile app and by a backup telephone system.“There’s been some issues with the app,” said Kelcey Brackett, the chairman of the Muscatine County Democratic Party. “It’s working for some folks, not for others.”
“We weren’t set up for everyone to have to use the phone, it sounds like,” said Adin Mann. “I’m at home trying to get the paperwork organized all the way they want it. It’s scattered all over the room here."
You are at home? With the paperwork? Counting votes?
++++++
U.S.A discarded the old school of paper ballots for instant coffee and instant results.
What's the old observation?
It is WHO or WHAT counts the votes.
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 4 2020 16:08 utc | 71
Russ @ 27:
Even better: they already had announced that the Russian were hacking the results before the fact, and on CNN facebook!
Read: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/02/politics/facebook-democrats-disinformation-iowa/index.html
Posted by: Piero Colombo | Feb 4 2020 16:08 utc | 72
The only difference was that when they voted it was by a show of hands in front of the Courthouse, wearing pistols...
Posted by: Walter | Feb 4 2020 15:32 utc | 60
They surely have a very, very peculiar system there, Walter. You knew? Move on to the next if you dispise CNN Or mainstream media generally.
Voting issues aren't new when it comes to the Iowa caucuses, the state in the last Presidential election in 2016 faced a controversy surrounding apparent confusion about the voting process.
Unlike a traditional primary, in which voters cast ballots, caucuses all take place out in the open: People show up to their precinct and physically move into designated parts of a room to show their preference for a certain candidate. Delegates are awarded based on those who reach a certain threshold of support by the end of the night.
In 2016, the state Democratic Party was forced to review the caucuses after the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders flagged issues with the process specifically the way in which a winner is declared and coin flips
Posted by: Vig | Feb 4 2020 16:10 utc | 73
Re: Circe #69,
I'm not tooting any horn, I'm pointing out that the DNC went to stab Bernie in the back (again) and had an sudden attack of explosive diarrhea in front of the whole nation. The mainstream media is trying to play this off as "it's just a silly accident, could have happened to anyone, they'll do better next time" and it's just not believable, Trump and the RNC is the main beneficiary of this clusterfuck and the main victim is Bernie. We all know that Trump is revelling in this farce of a caucus. the real question is what will Bernie and his supporters do? Last time Bernie bent the knee to Killery, will he do submit or fight, his supporters want him to fight the DNC and he should.
Posted by: Kadath | Feb 4 2020 16:13 utc | 74
Am I to understand that in Iowa they have actually gone to paper ballots, hand counted by individual citizens determined to have a proper vote count?
Glory Hallelujah!!!
I don't care if it takes them a month to do this properly. I hope Jimmy Carter is right there observing the count - give him a chair with cushions on it! This is an historical moment, and let all other states observe and replicate!!! This is a movement, folks; we should celebrate the occasion!
I am going to!
Take all the time you need, Iowan papervote counters! You are patriots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2020 16:20 utc | 75
Russ @27
also re
"Meanwhile, if Sanders really isn't a sheep-dogger and really is for real this time around, now's certainly the time to say so by openly proclaiming he's not going to sit still and let the win be stolen from him the way he did last time."
How can it be? He has already pledged, yet again, to sit still, get shoved aside and campaign for the anointed.
Posted by: Piero Colombo | Feb 4 2020 16:23 utc | 76
RE: juliania | Feb 4 2020 16:20 utc | 76
I think you misunderstood.
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2020 16:27 utc | 77
Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 16:00 utc | 71
(Coin-toss to resolve a ballot in Iowa)
That was mentioned in a media report in Oz this evening, which hinted that the caucus was a clusterfuck but stopped short of saying so...
....
DW News anchor had a guest, a woman from the German Council On Foreign Relations (I didn't know CFR had a German branch but Germany is a NATO sock puppet). She was not only incapable of dreaming up a positive spin on the clusterfuck, she also let it slip that the turnout was "disappointingly low" which, imo, is as unambiguous as clusterfuck :-)
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 4 2020 16:29 utc | 78
in spoiling the caucus in Iowa, the DNC has simply taken the first step in trying to thwart Bernie's campaign. Even if the recount shows that he won, the media cycle for the next 2 weeks will not be about Bernie's victory in Iowa (it will be about the disaster in Iowa). If this fails to stop the Bernie train they will have other such unfortunate "accidents" in future strategic caucuses to prevent an outright Bernie victory, so they can have a brokered convention and appoint the DNC's preferred candidate (whoever that might be). If Bernie's campaign resists the pressure and keeps steam and goes to the convention just shy of the majority he needs I think the DNC will try to make a deal with Bernie that they'll support him if he takes their preferred candidate as VP, in the hopes that Bernie won't last the 4 full years (whether they try to speed that process long I cant say).
Posted by: Kadath | Feb 4 2020 16:30 utc | 79
Only for the US does the "whole world" focus on who will be a political party's candidate. How a party chooses its candidates is up to the party, not the state or the rest of the world.
Does the state know or care how the Green Party or the Communist Party USA pick their candidates or who they endorse? No. Only the Dummycrats and Repugnants are part of these processes, making them official state parties. Somehow few seem to notice when they should be alarmed at the very prospect.
But it is all good fun and a pleasant diversion from the reality of living in a nation state where 1 1/2 million schoolchildren are homeless.
A real political movement would be organizing safe places for these kids to live while working towards a better system. Instead all we hear is "Only Bernie Can Save Us! He Is Our One True Savior!" Sure hope Bernie is immortal...
(Sorry to be Debbie Downer)
Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 4 2020 16:33 utc | 80
Ah, I see I celebrated prematurely. Coin toss? It would seem the movement needs to have as many observers of the historic process as there are precincts in a state - quite a job that will be! Good luck, fellow-paper-count-by-hand-voters! (Let's see, would that be a peachie movement?)
Circe, I did say Sanders should have taken the opportunity to join with the third party, the Greens. Perhaps he can still. That 'shadow' name isn't a bad one. We do need a shadow voting process, one that does its counts out in the open, no phoning in stuff without group consensus - yikes! And no coin tosses!!!
This is very good - no shadows, excellent lightshinings!
Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2020 16:36 utc | 81
Thanks for the humor about the clusterfuck that is dying empire, b.
I am sure all the people around the world dying under the jackboot of global private finance are laughing their asses off.
America has the best government money can buy. Too bad one can't eat money.
And look, the market is up over 400 points today so everything must be just great!!!!
Nothing to see here, move along.......
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2020 16:47 utc | 83
Remember, in the Iowa caucuses four years ago, Hillary suspiciously won six out of seven coin tosses against Sanders. My calculation is that there is 1 chance in 64, or .0156 probability, of that happening.
Posted by: lysias | Feb 4 2020 16:47 utc | 84
Also keep in mind that Iowa is ... one percent of the delegates. That's it. All this hoopla for a handful of delegates. A dose of perspective might be helpful.
Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 4 2020 16:49 utc | 85
Copying my post from the Open Thread with additional rants appended.
From the Grauniad (so you don't have to read it): "...[the app that supposedly failed to aggregate votes in the Iowa caucuses] was apparently developed by a firm literally called “Shadow”, partly funded by the Pete Buttigieg campaign."I have mentioned before that Butt-gig is an obvious CIA mole - hell, it is too obvious to call a "mole", it's a nearly open CIA asset. Now it is revealed that the outfit that developed the vote-rigging software is called "Shadow" and is associated with Butt-gig?
The CIA's Harvard frat boys think themselves brilliant and they believe that you, Dear Readers, are morons. They love ridiculing you by announcing their presence in not-so-subtle code right to your face, confident that you are too stupid to ever figure it out.
A CIA-linked gay guy named Butt-gig following on the heels of two other highly identity-politics-compliant candidates with deep CIA ties? They are waving it in American voters' faces, mocking the public for being so gullible while feeling certain they cannot get caught.
"America's first woman President!" was supposed to win in 2008, but Americans were too impatient and went for the CIA asset that was being promoted as a born again Malcolm X. Obama was just supposed to be getting national exposure for the first time and wasn't supposed to take the primaries, but since he was also a tool of the CIA they just modified their plans and went with "America's first Black President!" for the start of the identity politics progression.
They had a sequence planned out of "Progressive firsts" to distract the population from real progress.
PotUS 44 --> "America's first woman President!"
PotUS 45 --> "America's first Black President!"
PotUS 46 --> "America's first gay President!"
The mighty Establishment greatly overestimated the power of their "identity politics" brainwashing and underestimated the drive for real change among Americans, so these plans went a bit awry. In the original plans Clinton would be safely retired by now and Obama would be heading for his second term this November. Butt-gig would have just made his political establishment debutante debut last year with the aim of getting the American public used to him before his taking the lead role in 2024.
Barack Hussein Obama? Peter (penis?) Butt-gig?
The point behind their names practically crying out to be made into jokes is that doing so would offend working class Americans sense of fair play. Names had to be supplied that people would have a hard time avoiding riffing on so such riffing would "trigger" the defend-the-downtrodden reaction that is a (nowadays much abused) feature of so many American workers.
(Aside: You didn't know Obama was born into the CIA? The Obama mama was a funding mule laundering cash to CIA death squads in Indonesia from the Ford Foundation... research it yourself)
The CIA is mocking the American working class. What will the American working class do about it?
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 4 2020 16:56 utc | 86
I thought someone stepped in dog crap and tracked it in here, but it's just steven t johnson stinking up the place again.
Posted by: information_agent | Feb 4 2020 16:58 utc | 87
This is all starting to become very reminiscent of the last UK general election. Stand by for Bernie to either be robbed of the chance to run or to be hung out to dry by the media if he does win the nomination.
Posted by: Tom | Feb 4 2020 16:59 utc | 88
During the last 12 years dissatisfaction with Democracy in America has gone from 25% to 55%
"Finally, the drop in satisfaction with democracy is both especially rapid and especially consequential in the United States. For much of its modern history, America has viewed itself as a model democracy that could serve as an example to countries that wished to emulate its success. Survey data show that there was a little substance to this hubris: as recently as 10 years ago, three out of every four Americans said that they were satisfied with the state of their democratic system.
During the 2008 financial crisis, this began to change. And since then, Americans have become more pessimistic about their system every single year. For the first time on record, polls show that a majority of Americans (55 percent) are dissatisfied with their system of government.
This marks a profound shift in America’s view of itself—and its place in the world."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/confidence-democracy-lowest-point-record/605686/
I expect Hillary winning 6 straight coin tosses in Iowa didn't help matters any.
This either; "Pro-Israel Super PAC is spending big money to defeat Bernie Sanders in Iowa"
"It's all about the Benjamins baby!!"
Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 4 2020 17:09 utc | 89
that's funny b, and as everyone knows, this ain't no laughing matter... what better way to screw the little people then with paid for technology... bernie is screwed here...
Posted by: james | Feb 4 2020 17:12 utc | 90
This from bevin @ 28 really deserves a repeat:
"...The DNC has lost all credibility at this stage and the message for Sanders is clear-this is going to have to be a Third Party challenge. At every primary the DNC can be expected to suppress or falsify voting results- it is a reminder that ought to be the centre of the campaign in South Carolina, that the Democrats are the party of Jim Crow, the leaders of the Klan were all Democrats. It was the Democrats who killed Reconstruction. It was the Democrats who set up the system of Segregation later copied in South Africa and Israel. It was the Democrats who perfected the criminal machine like that of the Daly family and Tammany Hall in New York. It was the Democrats who planned and carried out the 1898 massacres in North Carolina that out an end to the Populist movement-across the racial divide- there..."
I would add that it was at the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968, and in the streets, that Mayor Daly's forces beat down the left wing party youngsters right there in the hall (even taking on a member of the then more honorable mainstream press large as life on tv). Don't count on a scene like that again - they were being televised but even so, the party did its dirty work. This time they won't televise scenes such as we saw then, bet on that!
It was bad enough when they installed electronic voting procedures for the big election. This app is, in the timeworn phrase, "a bridge too far"!
Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2020 17:12 utc | 91
This is going to have to be a Third Party challenge.
And I will vote for that.
Posted by: juliania | Feb 4 2020 17:14 utc | 92
@75 Kadath
the real question is what will Bernie and his supporters do...?
What will he do???
BERNIE'S GOING TO WIN, DAMN IT! HE'S GOING TO FORGE AHEAD AND WIN!
His legion of supporters will help him make it happen, now more than ever!
The jig is up, people are much wiser to the establishment/media fraud now. Let them throw the kitchen sink and the refrigerator at him!
You know what? Trump is crowing and milking this Dem shetstorm and everyone on the Left is hating him more, if that's even possible!
The only person who is revealing ALL THE TRUTH with his candidacy is BERNIE SANDERS. Bernie is the only REAL candidate and the only one who is exposing the DNC, the establishment and Zionist subterfuge complicity in all of this with his candidacy. He's the only candidate with the integrity to take Trump down! That's why they're all after him. Because what people want most now is to clean up Washington and take back their power especially now that everything is being exposed in daylight and prime time...this unravelling would never be possible with 3rd party run!
BERNIE WILL WIN THE NOMINATION AND THE PRESIDENCY
When Bernie gets through ploughing through the DNC corruption...Trump's corruption is on notice! He's coming for YOU, Trump!
I wrote this is going to be the dirtiest primary and election ever, and this is day ONE.
Everyone must fight like crazy and get ready to carry Bernie into the White House on their shoulders.
People must be ready to fight for every inch of victory!
Posted by: Circe | Feb 4 2020 17:15 utc | 93
"let see if Sanders will fight back, this time". he will not. because he is not there to be president. his job is to dog herd the progressives into voting the DNC´s "lesser evil" candidate. beyond being a fraud, Sanders is historical treason of the left in the USA.
Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Feb 4 2020 17:17 utc | 94
Vig | Feb 4 2020 16:10 utc | 74 Yes, Sadly, since the anglo invasions' halcyon days standards have indeed, ah, fallen. Alas. Nevertheless it'll probably come back, if things go that a way for too long. Though one supposes that the guns will give way to bows and arrows again, a matter of logistics...and the bow does not give away your position.
Seriously, that's the way they really did vote. I don't know when it changed, but I do suppose that right now you could walk in and vote with a revolver on yer hip...they just don't scare, or care. It's that kinna place.
Not terribly nice to the poor though, I listened to a cop on the cop radio run after a guy and grab his shoulder, so the guy would turn, so the cop shot him in the chest and let him bleed out.
Posted by: Walter | Feb 4 2020 17:18 utc | 95
This reminds me of past Mexican presidential elections when the anti-establishment candidate appeared to have won and "computer glitches" resulted in the election of pro-yankee stooges there. AMLO, the present president, was robbed of his election in 2012. He won so big in 2018 that they were unable to rig it. Buttigig's status as a CIA asset and the links of "Shadow" to him are damning. If he somehow wins the nomination he will underperform because black and hispanic voters are less tolerant of "diverse" sexuality than they might appear on the surface. Also, if he wins now, it will be based on the party structure's bald intervention as showcased by this Iowa affair, which taints anybody but Sanders, the anti-establishment favorite in the event. Though Tulsi hasn't been heard from lately for some reason (perhaps her supporters have gravitated to Sanders who, though not as reliable on foreign policy appears to have a chance) I think she might choose to run as an independent or green party candidate if Sanders follows his 2016 paradigm of backing the corrupt neoliberal party structure when push comes to shove this autumn.
Posted by: exiled off mainstree | Feb 4 2020 17:21 utc | 96
@Circe 69
Lemme tell you something: It's good Sanders is running with the Dems because this is EXPOSING the DNC for who they really are and there will be MORE sabotage shenanigans to come cause no matter what the establishment throws his way, Sanders is going to the convention with the people's MAJORITY SUPPORT.
We saw that movie in 2016 and all we got was three years of RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA. Bernie will get cheated again and he will bend over for good measure. Can't say I feel bad for the imperialist pig. He called Maduro a dictator after having the 2016 nomination stolen from him in broad daylight... maybe he should stick to comedy.
Posted by: Tobin Paz | Feb 4 2020 17:21 utc | 97
This is Bernie's moment of Truth. Is his legacy that of traitorous sheep dog, or heroic champion of equality and justice for all?
And does it matter? Can an American People so polarized, propagandized, and driven by a strange mix of fear and narcissism be considered an informed citizenry with the skill-sets for virtuous self-governance?
Personally, I'm a Green, but not such a 'partisan' to understand that Bernie is the last, best hope for progress in this world (now that Corbyn is dispatched.) It's Bernie or Bust, and if bust, then it's time to run for the hills.
Can Sanders beat the Establishment Insurgency that will stop at nothing to deny the common rabble even a modicum of dignity? The healthcare system in the United States is a crime against humanity.
And what of Bernie's 'movement' after he is dispensed by hook or by crook in this election cycle? Does the existential danger of the insane Trump force common sense to support business-as-usual?
Interesting times.
Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 4 2020 17:41 utc | 98
William [email protected]
"The mighty Establishment greatly overestimated the power of their "identity politics" brainwashing and underestimated the drive for real change among Americans, so these plans went a bit awry."
I concur, no need to try and state it any clearer than you have done.
Cheers.
Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 4 2020 17:49 utc | 99
difference between a snafu, a shitshow, and a clusterfuck
Any way you look at it, Iowa was a clusterfuck
Posted by: Carciofi | Feb 4 2020 17:53 utc | 100
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And the winner is....the national security state.
Posted by: RenoDino | Feb 4 2020 12:29 utc | 1