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February 26, 2020
Open Thread 2020-15
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Vielen Danke *b*. Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 26 2020 15:02 utc | 1 Craig Murray’s report is very disturbing. The outcome has been pre-determined and Julian will be sacrificed to intimidate everyone else into silence. The obvious and extremely visible prejudice of the judge is breathtaking. It reminds me of the Chicago 7 trial. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 26 2020 15:38 utc | 2 A double-header on the USA from NEO:
Colombia Reports: Colombia’s authorities are ignoring a mass grave with at least 450 victims of executions by the army, newspaper El Espectador reported on Monday. Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 26 2020 16:46 utc | 4 “I hope that it is some solace to Julian and his family that people around the world are watching and are appalled.” –Trailer Trash @2 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 26 2020 17:07 utc | 5 I think the point is to stop watching and start acting Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 26 2020 17:12 utc | 6 Assange is doomed. He will be extradited, tried in a US kangaroo court, convicted, and sentenced to life (or the physical equivalent given his health.) There’s zero chance he goes free regardless of what anyone says or does about the injustice of it all. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 26 2020 17:26 utc | 7 Gee, I thought for sure there would be more on COVID-19 here! Posted by: Circe | Feb 26 2020 17:33 utc | 8 The Greatest Posted by: b4real | Feb 26 2020 17:39 utc | 9 Sad day for Oz. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 26 2020 17:40 utc | 10 Pepe Escobar updates us on Afghanistan and the Outlaw US Empire’s efforts to make it look like its withdrawing when it has absolutely no intension of doing so. In the course of his prose, Pepe provides us with a lesson in Pashtun culture, which IMO is critical to fully cite: On Assange, Daniel Lazare notes importantly that Mueller and his “investigation” ought to be a very important part of Assange’s hearing in the UK as “it’s still brimming with unanswered questions no matter how much the corporate media wishes they would go away.” And along with BigLie Media is the Establishment and its overall Narrative, much of which hinges on Assange and his exposure of their crimes. Corona virus Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2020 17:54 utc | 13 karlofi1 No. 11 Posted by: Muffelchen | Feb 26 2020 18:00 utc | 14 Circe# 8 Posted by: dennis | Feb 26 2020 18:05 utc | 15 COVID-19 timeseries for all countries and regions affected, updated daily by John Hopkins University. South Korea, Italy and Iran have seen the quickest growth in confirmed cases over the past week: 2/19 2/20 2/21 2/22 2/23 2/24 2/25 Deaths: 2/19 2/20 2/21 2/22 2/23 2/24 2/25 Posted by: S | Feb 26 2020 18:08 utc | 16 We also know there is a toxic political alineghment between Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2020 18:08 utc | 17 @ Circe Posted by: albagen | Feb 26 2020 18:16 utc | 18 Corona Virus Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2020 18:34 utc | 19 According to Mr. Bloomberg this “election” is a referendum between Capitalism and Socialism. Posted by: ben | Feb 26 2020 18:36 utc | 20 vk | Feb 26 2020 16:40 utc | 3 Posted by: chu teh | Feb 26 2020 18:41 utc | 21 @ S #16 Posted by: dennis | Feb 26 2020 18:42 utc | 22 Re the Pepe Escobar piece on Afghanistan, maybe now that Trump has made it plain with his biowar on China that America is not a normal country, it’s time for the sovereignists to seriously arm the Taliban. If Trump loses two planes a month it will seriously focus the mind of that very stable genius. Posted by: sarz | Feb 26 2020 19:02 utc | 23 chu teh @ 21; Thanks for the link. It is a good explanation of “Why Socialism”, unfortunately, I doubt many rank and file Americans will ever get the chance to read it, let alone, even hear about it. Posted by: ben | Feb 26 2020 19:04 utc | 24 #22 No need to take the train, Chinese and Italian mafias make lot of money in the textile industry, and Milan is the fashion capital. Posted by: Mina | Feb 26 2020 19:30 utc | 26 I find that labels such as “communism” and “socialism” have been so abused that they are not much use, especially without a specific definition. Here are definitions of socialism and communism I came across someplace. Perhaps someone will find this useful. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 26 2020 19:49 utc | 27 @ Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 26 2020 19:49 utc | 27 @ Mina #26 Posted by: dennis | Feb 26 2020 20:59 utc | 29 Out of curiosity, I wonder what happened to the US having to leave Iraq, and I believe that Duterte has removed imuunity for US troops in The Phillipines. Have they left anywhere? Posted by: arby | Feb 26 2020 21:08 utc | 30 Here is an interesting article from – – – Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2020 21:11 utc | 31 some brazilian music i am listening to at the moment.. Posted by: james | Feb 26 2020 21:16 utc | 33 And from the above Globle Research article I found this very ‘insightfull’ link (at the bottom) Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 26 2020 21:22 utc | 34 I sadly have lost any shred of faith in organisations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch or International Red Cross and their other looky like NGO’s who have long been subverted to the causes of Govt. of the day, narrative generators (White Helmets & that ilk) and the inevitable paymasters mostly lurking at the back. Posted by: dennis | Feb 26 2020 21:29 utc | 35 The beginning of the end of Hong Kong:
Western propaganda bastion in China now degenerates to fifth-grade Keynesianism in a desperate attempt to keep up with the Mainland. Dennis @ 35 said;”Revealing crime is more dangerous than committing crime.” Posted by: ben | Feb 26 2020 21:51 utc | 37 HOW TO CREATE FAKE CORONAVIRUS NEWS (CASE STUDY)
5) Epoch Times publishes a follow-up story. It is republished by the stock market site ZeroHedge: Leaked Docs Reveal Covid-19 Infections Up To 52 Times Higher Than ‘Official’ Figures In China’s Shandong Province Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 26 2020 22:13 utc | 38 Petri Krohn 38 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2020 22:32 utc | 39 The Fed letting Trumps precious stock market plunge in an election year over coronavirus proves this is a psyops. The Fed as you know took over the Plunge Protection Teams operations in 2009. The market wont plunge without it standing down. Something big going down. Posted by: Pft | Feb 26 2020 23:02 utc | 40 this dip in the stock market is a minor blimp.. it might turn into something more significant, but for now the s and p is back around the nov 20th levels… the whole ponzi scheme has lots of room to correct and come back soon enough… Posted by: james | Feb 26 2020 23:10 utc | 41 “Gives rise to thoughts of possible Chinese response if they were to believe this outbreak is deliberate bio warfare.” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 26 2020 23:39 utc | 43 COVID-19 Posted by: r | Feb 26 2020 23:41 utc | 44 @ ben #37 Posted by: dennis | Feb 26 2020 23:54 utc | 45 A pity you never come up with anything solid Gruff. Not sure what your problem is here. Coronavirus I leave completely open as to whether it is natural or man made epidemic. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 26 2020 23:59 utc | 46 Thanks for that wisdom from both you and China William Gruff Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 27 2020 0:02 utc | 47 Joe Biden announces his candidacy for US Senate: Posted by: Mao | Feb 27 2020 0:36 utc | 48 Might be nice to look back on the outbreak and summarize. Posted by: Pft | Feb 27 2020 0:51 utc | 49 Did China attempt to manufacture evidence that virus came from intermediate animals to deflect attention from a possible lab source? Posted by: pft | Feb 27 2020 0:56 utc | 50 pft Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 1:07 utc | 51 After the SARS outbreak in 2003, Shi Zhengli led the team to collect bat samples across the country for virus detection. Shi Zhengli’s research on the Coronavirus S protein, the “passport” for infecting humans across species, began as early as 2010. Shi Zhengli’s team conducted a long-term, systematic and in-depth study of how coronaviruses can spread across species barriers. Posted by: Pft | Feb 27 2020 1:17 utc | 52 i apologize if this has been brought up before but is there any connection to Dr. Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology being arrested and his connections to the university in wuhan?? is this just a coincidence or some type of cia-fbi frame up, or what?? i haven’t been following it closely… Posted by: james | Feb 27 2020 1:22 utc | 53 Get a life if u wanna believed China manufacture Convid-19. Posted by: JC | Feb 27 2020 1:50 utc | 55 Ben @ 24 Posted by: Really?? | Feb 27 2020 2:36 utc | 56 Pft Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 2:49 utc | 57 To add to my comment at 57, I would take the Indian propaganda with a dose of salt at the moment. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 2:58 utc | 58 @ Posted by: Really?? | Feb 27 2020 2:36 utc | 56 @ Posted by: pft | Feb 27 2020 0:56 utc | 50 vk Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 4:13 utc | 61 if the virus is such a non thing, not lethal like the current standard flue etc, why the exaggerated responses to it? Why the containment of people in their homes? Posted by: Sabine | Feb 27 2020 6:28 utc | 62 to add to my comment above, the why locking up people also applies to the Italy and soon the US. Posted by: Sabine | Feb 27 2020 6:30 utc | 63 I suspect if the new corona virus was allowed to run free it would greatly increase pneumonia deaths. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 6:40 utc | 64 Pft@49 – “…Why did China require that the “history of seafood market contact” be included in the diagnosis criteria up until January 17th when it knew that at least one third of the cases are not related to the seafood market?”
Tweet with referenced email. Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 27 2020 7:11 utc | 65 Trailer Trash @27; vk @28: Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 27 2020 9:03 utc | 66 Slowly but surely Syria is being/will be rebuilt . Great twitter profile too @syriarebuilt.. lovely resilient people, they didn’t deserve this. Posted by: Maximus | Feb 27 2020 9:11 utc | 67 Second link in my comment @68 Lovely people Syrians, who didn’t deserve what has been done to them .. I wish it back on the perps in the West/Nato and their despicable allies in spades Posted by: Maximus | Feb 27 2020 9:16 utc | 68 Assad’s forces seem to be on the edge of a route now. I suppose the next 24 hours will be decisive. I think we are looking at the turning point in this war. When Turkey chose to enter the war full force, filling Idlib with overwhelming firepower, Russia chose to do nothing, it seems, in terms of reinforcing their strength or the strength of the SAA. Posted by: paul | Feb 27 2020 9:25 utc | 69 Maximus Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 9:38 utc | 70 The Syria proxy war was always going to be decided, I think, by the moment when one of the great powers involved decided to fully commit. Turkey has done so. Posted by: paul | Feb 27 2020 9:45 utc | 71 paul Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 9:49 utc | 72 Paveway IV Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 27 2020 9:50 utc | 73 Come on man, China and Iran both getting the flu bad? Another Cohencidence I guess Posted by: Jezabeel | Feb 27 2020 9:55 utc | 74 paul Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 9:55 utc | 75 All of the salting of the narrative that the virus was accidentally/intentionally released by the Chinese themselves suggests that there is significant concern among the real perpetrators that the virus will become widely known to be artificial. There is thus a need to throw another layer of misdirection into the mix to help prevent people from reaching the most obvious and plausible conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is an American bioweapon. Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 10:00 utc | 76 Mark2 @47 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 10:09 utc | 77 William Gruff Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 27 2020 10:11 utc | 78 “if the virus is such a non thing, not lethal like the current standard flue etc, why the exaggerated responses to it?” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 10:29 utc | 79 I am struck by the enormous gap between the presentation of the virus and the response to it – it is portrayed as like a bad cold (which will fade with warmer weather) but the response is more telling. Posted by: jared | Feb 27 2020 11:13 utc | 80 Maximus @ 68 says: Posted by: john | Feb 27 2020 11:19 utc | 81 We evolved to be social animals but to live in immediate tight-knit groups, not anything remotely like mass societies. These and their institutions are artificial and anti-evolutionary. So when we perceive governments, the mass media, the kind of structures which feature such “persons of authority” and make those the cathexes of our now free-floating social need (since the natural community structures are largely destroyed), we make a maladaptive mistake. People who are healthy in a Darwinian adaptive sense would view all such things as suspicious, potentially harmful external creatures/weather/geology etc. Updates on COVID-19: Ranked choice voting isn’t better than classical election where you have to elect just one person. Many times, there’s a huge gap between some of the people you have to rank – as in, sometimes, there’s just one valid choice and you wish all the others would be vaporized. Ranked choice will just bring more of the “Lesser of two Evils” situation, except that for most people, it’ll be a higher Evil than the one they wanted – and sometimes, it’ll be someone that’s in the Highest Evils list. This could be fixed to an extent by not having a mere ranking list, but having an amount of electoral points, say 100, and you decide how many you give to people – though this system could just as easily be gamed by having some candidates pushing their supporters to give them all the points. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 27 2020 11:59 utc | 84 @ Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 27 2020 11:59 utc | 85 @84 VK Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Feb 27 2020 12:14 utc | 86 Posted by: vk | Feb 27 2020 3:30 utc | 60
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 27 2020 12:29 utc | 87 Vintage Red | Feb 27 2020 9:03 utc | 67 (apropos of a funny) Posted by: Walter | Feb 27 2020 13:01 utc | 88 “It is the height of stupidity to claim that men… will now agree… to be our equals.” Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 14:29 utc | 89 vk Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 27 2020 14:38 utc | 90 I just find it strange that Iran is on the list of countries most infected. Posted by: Circe | Feb 27 2020 14:44 utc | 91 William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 14:29 utc | 90 (men who… plus) Posted by: Walter | Feb 27 2020 15:04 utc | 92 Iran is with China one of the most polluted countries in the world. It does not help to keep good natural defenses. I wonder why India does not have more cases. Either they do not reach the hospitals or that having a vegetarian diet helps? But what of those who do not have a vegetarian diet there? Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2020 15:16 utc | 93 I’ve seen a recent FB comment from someone in Milan: “As we have been severely affected by Covit-9 we are discovering it’s actually a strong flue and actually many don’t even know they have contracted it.. As it resolves by itself within 3-4 days!! Covit-9 is dangerous only for those above 60s years of age or people with low immune systems or with other illnesses.” Posted by: imo | Feb 27 2020 15:28 utc | 94 Paveway @ 66 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 27 2020 15:40 utc | 95 Walter @93 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 15:43 utc | 96 Mina @94 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2020 15:55 utc | 97 imo @ 95 says: Posted by: john | Feb 27 2020 16:07 utc | 98 Circe @ 8. Ha ha. I read somewhere that Trump put Pence in charge of the USA Corona Response. (Sounds more like a beer-monopoly quarrel.) Admittedly I have not delved deeply into Pence’s mind set (argh) but, afaik, he does not believe in Evolution. Therefore presumably not in mutations or antibiotics, etc. Which just goes to show. Well something. 🙁 Posted by: Noirette | Feb 27 2020 16:26 utc | 99 Europe’s deals with Erdo about not getting another refugee wave were paralleled with the renewed anti-Syria anti-Iran propaganda in MSM. Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2020 16:40 utc | 100 |
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