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February 12, 2020

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Posted by: juliania | Feb 13 2020 18:08 utc | 194

"I grow Russian named tomato seed, have always appreciated the quality!"

There's some very good varieties. I've been growing and saving seed from my Black Krims since 2011.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 13 2020 18:34 utc | 201

Love it!
Trump has "spoken openly about his phobia of germs"
... that's what paranoids get into usually, their own phobia...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

About the Japanese guy who went on board the ship and was infected, who knows... maybe he went to the bathroom?

Posted by: Mina | Feb 13 2020 18:40 utc | 202

@Parisian Guy #101
I have a great deal of first hand experience with people who are cunning, as well as people who think they are cunning.
And my experience is: people who are cunning don't go out and make a splash. They keep a low profile and do what they want to do, quietly. Bannon does not fit the profile of a cunning person, in that he says outrageous shit in public and then (you think) sells even more outrageous shit via QAnon.
Secondly, the QAnon pattern is exactly like any fortuneteller or grifter. The job of the fortuneteller or grifter is to let the mark create the details of the narrative, because it is in the details that they get caught. If the details are created by the mark, the mark is almost certain never to question them.
Ultimately, all you have done so far with your reasoning is to parrot the Bill Maher/MSDNC meme that Bannon did something magical enabling Trump to win.
This is a false and is merely a variation of Russiagate: HRC shoulda/woulda won if not for X.
Trump is a master manipulator of public opinion all on his own. He tapped into a deep well of anger in the public. Russiagate/Bannon the evil Sith Lord memes are distractions from the reality: which is that the Democratic Party has long since lost its credibility as a representative of the working man (as opposed to the minority, the LGBTQ, the climate crusader, etc). This failure is the primary reason why a New York billionaire was able to position himself as a champion of the regular guy.
Cambridge Analytica's impact is just as unclear as the Russian propaganda. I've looked at a number of studies, and none of the ones with strong conclusions are based on any type of objective analysis.
Lastly, "his show" - Bannon doesn't have a show, nor was I pointing you to any of them.
Frontline is PBS interview series; if you want an even more blue-leaning show, look at his appearance on Bill Maher. His message is the same in both cases.
But more importantly, failure to understand what a person says and who they are from a firsthand view, as opposed to taking talking points from a propaganda source (which you clearly are), isn't conducive to any type of clear understanding.
So regardless of your ad hominem attack, which fails just as all of the other ad hom attacks on me fail, consider your prejudices and sources of information before drawing conclusions.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2020 18:43 utc | 203

Bubbles @185: What of decent into anarchy? What of a return to dark ages style feudalism?

Circe @191: Zionist Trumpers, ... Neoliberal haters and the cynics

The disinfo continues and deepens as 'cynics' are smeared.

Clear as a bell.

Specific concerns about Bernie ... ignored. Asking why such a push for Bernie on a international relations blog ... ignored (@157). Arguing for a more effective strategy (Bernie supplemented by independent Movements) ... shot down.

We are already in a sort of dark ages when Empire-building elites, under the sway of Zionist supremacist ideology, work overtime to manipulate the political system so as to ensure that the establishment prevails - always.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 13 2020 18:46 utc | 204

More climate fun:
Given the EIA fossil fuel energy use projections plus the increasingly clear worthlessness of RCP8.5 as agitprop meme, here's a study looking at what actual amount of future warming might be, under various possible scenarios (8.5 is not possible):
Plausible scenarios for climate change: 2020-2050


table of natural scenario impact
All of the components of natural variability point to cooling during the period 2020-2050. Individually these terms are not expected to be large in the moderate scenarios. However, when summed their magnitude approaches the magnitude of the warming associated with the moderate values of TCRE – 1.35 and 1.65 oC. If the natural cooling exceeds the expected value, or TCRE is at the low end (1.0 to 1.35oC), then there could be net cooling.

This is significant: disregarding solar or extreme long term climate cycles, 2020-2050 could well be net colder.

Three main conclusions:

We are starting to narrow the uncertainty in the amount of warming from emissions that we can expect out to 2050
All three modes of natural variability – solar, volcanoes, internal variability – are expected to trend cool over the next 3 decades
Depending on the relative magnitudes of emissions driven warming versus natural variability, decades with no warming or even cooling are more or less plausible.

If you prefer your scenarios on the high side, you can include scenarios with RCP7.0 and TCRE=2.4oC, but these values don’t change the fundamental narrative presented here. You can also add 1.2oC to the values in Table 6, to make the numbers look higher. But if you want plausible scenarios, look to my Table 6, which I think bounds the range of plausible outcomes for global mean surface temperature from 2020-2050.

But what about the 2nd half of the 21st century and 2100? Uncertainties regarding emissions are much greater in the 2nd half of the 21st century. The CMIP6 solar scenarios (Reference and Maunder) show more cooling in the second half of the 21st century. Volcanic eruptions could be larger in 2nd half of 21st century (or not). After the projected cool phase of the AMO, a return to the warm phase is expected, but there is no confidence in projecting either a warm or cold phase AMO in 2100.

Apart from the ‘wild card’ of volcanic eruptions, the big uncertainty is solar indirect effects. Based on the literature survey that I’ve conducted, solar UV effects on climate seem to be at least as large as TSI effects. A factor of 2-4 (X TSI) seems completely plausible to me, and serious arguments have been presented for even higher values. I also note here that almost all estimates of ECS/TCR from observations do not include any allowances for uncertainties associated with solar indirect effects. Scafetta (2013) included solar indirect effects in an estimate of ECS, and determined an ECS value of 1.35 oC.

Neither the effects of AMO or solar indirect effects have been included in attribution analyses of warming since 1950.

So why does this analysis ‘matter’?

For those that are urgently worried about the impacts of AGW and the need to act urgently to meet deadlines related to emissions, the natural climate variability may help slow down the warming over the next few decades, allowing for time to make prudent, cost effective decisions that make sense for the long term.
Failure to anticipate and understand periods of stagnant warming or even cooling detract from the credibility of climate science and may diminish the ‘will to act.’


Or in other words, if the present 20+ year period of failed model projections/climate disasters/climate panicmongering has been unable to radically change policy, it could get a lot worse.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2020 18:55 utc | 205

You know, I get a laugh about the US Presidential race. All this talk about domestic policy (health care, student debt, etc.) when, if you actually read the US Constitution, the President has absolutely no power domestically, just a proposer, a half-hearted vetoer of bills and head administrator. The President has great power over foreign policy and has the ability to deploy American troops wherever (s)he wants; yet, no one talks about that.

In the context of Bernie Sanders, all he could as president regarding health care and student debt, is make proposals and harangue, nothing more.

Posted by: Albertde | Feb 13 2020 19:07 utc | 206

Since we know Pete is LBGT and has a husband, will he be at the same time President and First Lady?

Posted by: CarlD | Feb 13 2020 19:23 utc | 207

circe 191

"[Lots of sound and fury, much of it shouting, the claim boils down to: Bernie's not pro-war]"

Yes he is.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/13/how-bernie-sanders-became-a-fighter-for-palestine/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/12/no-bernies-not-anti-war/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/

It's not possible to be anti-war within the framework of this system. The material basis of US life and the functioning of the finance sector and government are centered on permanent war. This can't be changed while the system exists.

Besides, how can anyone named "Senator F-35" be taken seriously as being anti-war. That sure ain't someone who had any kind of alternative, sustainable vision for Vermont.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 13 2020 19:25 utc | 208

@juliania | 194 and Russ | 201
I am impressed. Of course I don't know where either of you live, but Черный Крым / Black Krim tomatoes! Wow. They are delicious. No two ways about it. There are lots of other amazing varieties too, as @Russ says. Not sure about Turkish rugs, Persian rugs are far superior, though probably not appropriate in the bathroom! ))))

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 13 2020 19:34 utc | 209

In the context of Bernie Sanders, all he could as president regarding health care and student debt, is make proposals and harangue, nothing more.

Posted by: Albertde | Feb 13 2020 19:07 utc | 206

Policy and regulatory changes plus EO's are all in the purview of the President. Those are powerful tools in the right hands and used with more frequency as seen with recent admins. The power to go after lobbyists, campaign financing limits, banking regulations, rules pertaining to Wall St traders, big pharma, private for profit correctional institutions, judiciary picks and much more. Suffice to say, the power to change and to allow for a whole lot of horsetrading.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 13 2020 19:36 utc | 210

New article on how Tulsi Gabbard is the most underrated politician in the world. Tulsi Gabbard is The Steely Dan of Politics or: Perfection Isn’t For Everyone

Posted by: Kali | Feb 13 2020 19:39 utc | 211

I failed to see any mention of this article while scanning the comments, which I thought psychohistorian would surely see and post. Web of Debt's Ellen Brown writes about what's going on with the rapid expansion of Public Banking in Mexico under AMLO, "Mexico’s President AMLO Shows How It’s Done", which she immediately announces:

"Mexico’s new president has begun construction on 2,700 branches of a government-owned bank to be completed in 2021, when it will be the largest bank in the country. At a press conference on Jan. 6, he said the neoliberal model had failed; private banks were not serving the poor and people outside the cities, so the government had to step in."

That's what's known as a Market failure, and that Failure exists everywhere Neoliberalism holds sway. Apparently, there's nothing in the New NAFTA to prohibit such a move. Indeed, AMLO is using ethics and morality as a tool:

"There are more than 1,000 municipalities that don’t have a bank branch. We’re dispersing[welfare] resources but we don’t have a way to do it.... People have to go to branches that are two, three hours away. If we don’t bring these services close to the people, we’re not going to bring development to the people."

538 branches of the bank already exist as AMLO in July 2019 "converted the publicly owned federal savings bank Bansefi into a 'Bank of the Poor'" with the aim to create 13,000 branches! Even the military's on board, which is quite a switch, politically. Brown recites some economic stats that show Mexico doing well under AMLO such that even Mexico's wealthiest man Carlos Slim is happy. Using its public banks in the same manner as China will likely await AMLO's successor as he cannot be reelected after his 6 years are over. One great positive is for Mexico's development to finally benefit its poor as Neoliberalism slowly dies South of the border.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 19:43 utc | 212

information_agent@188 "I think there probably is, because as things stand now it's all hands on the establishment deck to figure out a way to thwart the campaign of Bernie Sanders from continuing to gather momentum." There comes a point when all the losers whining about blackouts and such need to ask themselves how the great conspiracy can't do things like make sure Biden has enough money, or for that matter, actually pick a unity candidate to kill Sanders with. The Democratic Party is cracking up. The party professionals, who are basically free-lance sales managers trying to get hired on by some big bucks donors to manage the republic on the donors' behalf, aren't getting the guidance/$ from the rich. The rich are basically Trumpists now, unless they want to buy out the Democratic Party as a personal vehicle. (Hello, Bloomberg, Steyer.) The "establishment" is largely for Trump, which is one reason why the media are so obedient in promoting any possible rival to Sanders. Also, it kind of dumb to focus on how Sanders is being cheated even as he's winning it. At this point, it's to be wondered whether the Trumpists are promoting Sanders because they're convinced it really was the white people taking back their country that got Trump elected. (That's a BS story that has long been promoted for nefarious reasons.)

Much of the rest is simpleminded twaddle insinuating Buttigieg controls the Democratic Party. Apparently the idea of a Buttigieg campaign person whose presence might keep caucus goers from ranting about how no gay will ever win or maybe asking if Buttigieg supporters are gay themselves, is a sinister plot of the Cultural Marxists. The Trumpery will out itself. This stuff is more blatant than Pride Day. The idea that a Navy Reserve officer is a trusted CIA agent of influence is not as nutty as the idea that a twenty something "conference director" for the Cohen Group is a player in the Deep State. The conference director is the one who supervises setting up the table, bosses the catering if any, hands out any written material, etc. It's a glorified internship, good on the resume and contacts for ambitious would-be pols like Buttigieg....but a grey eminence? That's nearly as funny as people pretending they aren't freaking out over Buttigieg because the images of him and Chasten.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 13 2020 19:54 utc | 213

Very informative and insightful article on the US Sanctions waiver Iraq requires to import gas and electricity from Iran. Forgive me, but WTF does the US think it is doing to the Iraqi and Iranian people?

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Iraq-Is-On-The-Brink-Of-An-Energy-Crisis.html#

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 13 2020 20:08 utc | 214

US Senate Passes Iran War Powers Resolution Limiting Trump's Executive Authority
LINK

Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate backed legislation on Thursday to limit President Donald Trump’s ability to wage war against Iran, rebuking him after a strike against an Iranian military commander and Tehran’s retaliation last month raised fears of broader regional conflict.

Eight of Trump’s fellow Republicans joined Democrats to pass the war powers resolution by 55-45. The measure would require Trump to remove U.S. troops engaged in hostilities against Iran unless Congress declares war or passes a specific authorization for the use of military force.

Trump has promised a veto and there is not expected to be enough support in the Senate to muster the two-thirds majority to override. Republicans in the chamber hold 53 of the 100 seats and rarely vote against the president.

Note: It is difficult to recover what was given away. And if Trump vetoes, there is the funding issue. Congress holds the purse..

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 13 2020 20:09 utc | 215

Specific concerns about Bernie ... ignored.

We are already in a sort of dark ages when Empire-building elites, under the sway of Zionist supremacist ideology, work overtime to manipulate the political system so as to ensure that the establishment prevails - always.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 13 2020 18:46 utc | 204

Do you somehow think your Sanders centric criticism is going to bring about change in the Empire related concerns you list?

A "sort of dark ages" isn't really representative of the real thing. Bannon's anarchist burn it all down ideology would most likely bring it about though, which is what you and your fellow boo bird appear to advocate.

There's a better way, dismantle it piece by piece same way it was built. No shortage of people have pointed out what issues should be immediate targets to get the ball rolling.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 13 2020 20:11 utc | 216

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 13 2020 19:54 utc | 213

You're almost as much of a moron as you are an a-hole.

Buttigieg has Seth Klarman backing him and last time I checked, that guy has stolen enough money from people's pensions through his insider-traded hedge fund to make a difference, and Amy "Klobucharged" Klobuchar has pledged her allegiance to Israel ahead of America so you know the gravy train for her won't stop. Trying to claim that all big money is behind Trump when anyone who pays attention knows that smart money, albeit corrupt and ill-gotten money, plays both sides so it never loses.

Also, manipulating vote totals around the periphery is a relatively low-risk approach for the powers-that-be to dampen enthusiasm for Sanders by creating the illusion these corporate, cookie-cutter candidates are actually resonating with anyone other than lickspittle, subservient, neoliberal dipsh*ts like yourself. The fact that the party is having a difficult time convincing voters that Sanders is dangerous and that they should get behind some milquetoast empty suit who'll toe the neoliberal line isn't as easy as it used to be now that people have developed at least a baseline understanding of what neoliberal economics really means on the ground. The fact voters weren't even allowed to hear what Tulsi Gabbard has to say should tell everyone just how much the thumb of the establishment is on the scales of democracy during this election cycle.

Don't you think it would make sense for you to just head out to the garage, start your car, and think about things for a while?

Posted by: information_agent | Feb 13 2020 20:16 utc | 217

@51
Great post and analysis of Bernie's run for president, definitely not a sheepdog. Many of these young people are training each other beyond Sanders, about the total rot that is US politics and are very aware of the empires negative interference around the world. These people will not vote "blue no matter who" despite what the corrupt DNC may think.

Posted by: dp | Feb 13 2020 20:27 utc | 218

Forgive me, but WTF does the US think it is doing to the Iraqi and Iranian people?

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 13 2020 20:08 utc | 214


Positioning itself to grab as much of their country's resource wealth is the short version. Controlling energy sources as much as possible to boost prices enough to get US shale investors back is also part of the plan. Preparing supply for when the shale boom turns to bust is a longer term goal.

Good reads on the future of shale:

https://southfront.org/american-empire-mistakenly-believes-shale-revolution-will-continue-until-2050-and-beyond-part-1/

https://www.desmogblog.com/2020/02/03/peak-permian-oil-production-schlumberger

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 13 2020 20:44 utc | 219

c1ue @205

I recognize that there are hundreds of factors that influence global climate changes. The corporate “greenwashers” focus on carbon dioxide, as this is where they can get credits (cash) from making changes in their operations. The article you cited bring to light the importance of volcanic activity, space weather, magnetic field strength and ocean circulation patterns. However, the global cooling mechanisms seem to be obscured in the technical language!

In the case of volcanic activity could the mechanism be mainly due to slowing of the
earth rotation and also related to magnetic field weakening ?

Atmospheric cooling mechanism is mischaracterized as a reduction in total solar input (TSI) in watts/m2. The mechanism appears to be much more complex, as the weakening of the sun and earth magnetic field increases cosmic rays penetration and nucleation of clouds resulting in more reflected heat causing global cooling.

Didn’t see the effects of ocean circulation changes on global climate in the article. Do you have any good articles?

If these mechanisms are important then the reduction in carbon dioxide generation based on EIA fossil fuel energy use projections would negate the climate change mime. Thanks for the important post…

Posted by: krollchem | Feb 13 2020 20:46 utc | 220

snake at 52, ha ha. At one point the bar had all its windows shattered and as it was winter.. outside diffuse yellow light shining off the paving stones, plastic bags whirling in the wind, bits of ice about, it became deserted. The patrons were saved by Okie, who opened up Le Speakeasy, down the road a ways. There it was warm and there was a cat. Black.

(true story.)

james - you are right, n. europe.

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 13 2020 20:53 utc | 221

"Medicare for All" is NOT "Universal Healthcare" as implemented for example in the UK; the difference being that under Medicare for All, the U.S. govt would have an absolute monopoly of healthcare & private medical insurance would be illegal. The majority of U.S. workers & retirees currently covered to some extent by private insurance would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

Posted by: duh | Feb 13 2020 21:07 utc | 223

>historically, anarchism's a workers movement. it's a bottom-up
>endeavour, not top-down. society without government. socialism
>without leaders. the essential cooperative commonwealth.
>
>perhaps a bit utopian, but it seems like just what we need.
>Posted by: john | Feb 13 2020 18:17 utc | 196

Yes, this is my goal as well. So far, most posters here seem to think that hierarchy is necessary and harmless. I'm convinced that top down, hierarchical organization is the basic design flaw that results in an endless cycle of empire rise and empire fall, along with all the misery and suffering created by that destructive cycle. "Labor" should hire "Capital", not the other way around.

The essential question that voting is supposed to address, but never does, is, Who Decides? and Who Picks the Deciders?

Way back in this thread Bevin noted that many Bernie supporters sat on their hands and that Bernie didn't work very hard to promote Killary. But voters are irrelevant.

The group that matters to the DNC are the actual Bernie people who actively work on his campaigns, presumably learning how to organize people and try to get something done. Instead of forming the foundation of an independent movement, they will be co-opted into various grant-junky "non-profits", stink tanks, Congressional staff jobs, and labor union admin jobs. I've seen it happen, over and over.

It's understandable, since Bernie organizers (and others) need to eat and it is no longer possible to have shelter and food on just the part-time irregular income that used to sustain committed troublemakers. Individuals and organizations have to spend so much effort to sustain themselves that there is little left over for troublemaking.

I guess that is why I keep thinking that we need some new form of social organization; I have little idea what that might look like. The Occupy movement showed that when dedicated folks are thrown together they will work something out, eventually. Maybe the core of the problem is how to speed up the learning process and build an effective organization before the Empire strikes back.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 13 2020 21:21 utc | 224

I see much talk of whether Sanders (or any president) can actually accomplish much outside of running foreign policy and making proposals and executive orders.

Yet none has mentioned the power to appoint justices at the federal level including lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court and then the federal District Courts.

If Bernie Sanders wins, a possibility to which I have assigned about a 40/60 probability (most likely not), he will likely re-balance the SCOTUS with at least one left-leaning justice and probably a center left justice or two. If the Dims can't manage to unseat Trump, Americans are looking at a Trumpian right wing activist judiciary for many years to come.

Posted by: Ghost_of_Banned | Feb 13 2020 21:21 utc | 225

From a Philip Giraldi article:

"To be sure, the Trump administration has lied about developments in the Middle East so many times that it can no longer be trusted."

Yet, the Articles of Impeachment drawn by the D-Party said nothing about the massive amounts of prevarication and ignored numerous other crimes as many here have written. Something might be salvaged from the mess by Impeaching Pompeo for his numerous lies told to Congress, but that would be too rational and not aid the election process.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 21:24 utc | 226

Posted by: duh | Feb 13 2020 21:07 utc | 223

"under Medicare for All, the U.S. govt would have an absolute monopoly of healthcare & private medical insurance would be illegal."

That would be news to the millions of US seniors currently on Medicare supplemented by private, aptly-named "supplemental insurance".

Posted by: information_agent | Feb 13 2020 21:38 utc | 227

>Besides, how can anyone named "Senator F-35" be taken
>seriously as being anti-war. That sure ain't someone
>who had any kind of alternative, sustainable vision for Vermont.
>Posted by: Russ | Feb 13 2020 19:25 utc | 208

Indeed. He can't even protect his own neighbors in Burlington from F35 afterburner noise. How would he stop the war machine?

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 13 2020 21:45 utc | 228

The SAA's really on a roll today and tonight West of Aleppo. Here's the latest map update in that area. Russian General Gerasimov met with his Turk opposite and said essentially you had your chance, fucked up, and now the SAA will finish the job. I hope it goes all the way to the Turk border. Also, word of negotiations to bring SDF into SAA that include moving North from Aleppo to Afrin and beyond. The incident in Northeastern Syria where the Outlaw US Empire killed a teenager will hasten its departure from the area.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 21:57 utc | 229

Pepe Escobar examines Erdogan's dilemma.

Meanwhile, the terrorist's air force located in Zionistan is again attacking Damascus. At some point it will reap all it's sown and then some.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 22:04 utc | 230

Trailer Trash @224

So far, most posters here seem to think that hierarchy is necessary and harmless. I'm convinced that top down, hierarchical organization is the basic design flaw that results in an endless cycle of empire rise and empire fall, along with all the misery and suffering created by that destructive cycle. "Labor" should hire "Capital", not the other way around.

Hierarchy is inevitable, rather than necessary. Improperly organized hierarchy (the only kind human governmental systems have ever had) is certainly harmful.

Sad to say, the Iron Law of Oligarchy, which was first put forward in 1911, still holds true today, despite all the now discredited SV BS about "disintermediation" and "Arab springs".

Here is Encyl. Brit. take on it, bearing in mind that it is talking exclusively about the conditions that held in Germany (and specifically the SPD) in 1911.

First of all, the day-to-day administration of any large-scale, differentiated bureaucratic organization such as the SPD by the rank-and-file majority was impossible. Given the “incompetence of the masses,” there was a need for full-time professional leadership and top-down guidance. In theory, the SPD leaders were subject to control by the rank-and-file through delegate conferences and membership voting, but in reality they were firmly in command. The simple organizational need for division of labor, hierarchy, and specialized leadership roles meant that control over the top functionaries from below was “purely fictitious.” The elected leaders had the experience, skills, and superior knowledge necessary for running the party and controlling all formal means of communication with the membership, including the party press. While proclaiming their devotion to the party program of social democracy, they soon became part of the German political establishment. The mass membership was unable to provide an effective counterweight to this entrenched minority of self-serving party officials, who were more committed to internal organizational goals and their own personal interests than to radical social change. Michels also felt that these inevitable oligarchic tendencies were reinforced by a mass predisposition for depending upon and even glorifying the party oligarchs, because the rank-and-file had a basic psychological need for hero-worship: “Though it grumbles occasionally, the majority is really delighted to find persons who will take the trouble to look after its affairs. In the mass, and even in the organized mass of the labor parties, there is an immense need for direction and guidance. This need is accompanied by a genuine cult for the leaders, who are regarded as heroes” (Michels [1911] 1968, p. 88).

IMHO, the only way to prevent oligarchy is to keep the units of organization so small that the leadership cannot detach itself from the masses of the movement. Still, if there are a large number of small units, they must also form some kind of hierarchy, but it should be as "flat" as possible.

I think the best example of a flat hierarchy was the British rule in India. I read somewhere, but can't call up the quote, that there was no more than three layers of bureacracy between the lowest official and the Viceroy.

There is a lot to be said for flat hierarchies. The brain has many of these. A few layers of signal processing to clean up raw input, and then the top layer fires off an interpretation into the constant competition for access to consciousness.

The internet has the bandwidth to support such organization, but TPTB kill it wherever it appears.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 13 2020 22:04 utc | 231

Added some WHO links in the "The Epidemic Recedes…" thread.

One can have a guess at which stupid US/CIA propaganda narratives will come up tomorrow by reading comments here at MoA :/

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2020 22:19 utc | 232

@krollchem #220
The article notes that AMO (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation - a description of North Sea temperatures which are largely a function of current flows) is likely to turn negative, which is another lowering factor (that's the oceans part).
Volcanic activity - there is no discussion on the means, only an examination of the past 50 years vs. historical average; there were a lot fewer major volcanic eruptions in the past 50 years.
The post also talks about solar - it doesn't take a position either way, but does look at what the effects might be if we had another Maunder Minimum.
Net net, the point is simply that the panicmonger scenarios - which were never credible to start with - are becoming even less so. And that the notion that the asymptotic warming will start "any day now" - highly unlikely.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2020 22:30 utc | 233

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 21:57 utc | 229

Positive news overall except for the death of the teenager. Another innocent victim, another life lost that will never be given the weight it deserves.

Your post got me thinking about the main theme on this thread, the Sandernistas, to be, or not to be.

Sander's detractors appear to seek the perfect candidate, a 2nd coming of .. meh, or anarchy.

End of meandering, to the point. Syria, like most countries had it's problems, many they may have been, but what the Western powers brought unto it's citizens was a thousand times worse than anything internal. Bashar Assad is not a Utopian leader, but he is however the best choice of all the current alternatives. Knowledge of Syria's political history is required to understand my assertion.

Which brings me back to the Bern. If anyone can articulate a better choice given the realities of our times, and do so intelligently, I would love to read what they have to say.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 13 2020 22:40 utc | 234

information_agent@217 has tried the carbon monoxide far too often and is really stupid.

Seth Klarman was a long-time Republican donor which means the chances Seth Klarman is contributing to Buttigieg to mess with the Democratic Party primaries are very high indeed. This is *not* the same thing as investing in a potential winner, which is the moronic claim of the homophobic panic mongers. Calling Buttigieg a stalking horse is not supporting him but opposing him. The problem for the homophobic dirt bags is that it's opposing him for his politics* but not his sex life, which is their real problem. (By the way, I oppose his childish belief in capitalism. Every single Democratic Party candidate shares it, including Sanders, who *at the very most* thinks it would be good to go back to Harry Truman---the invocation of FDR is BS. FDR would work with communists and Sanders will fight them to his dying breath.)

As for the conviction that there is a massive groundswell of opposition to the rich, newsflash jackass, Donald Trump is president, and Bloomberg is rising in the polls. Only hypocrites pretend to hate Buttigieg's not so huge support from "billionaires" even as they ignore Bloomberg and Steyer and pretend Trump isn't the big money candidate. The support for Trump absolutely refutes psychotic propositions about masses' principled opposition to neoliberalism. They don't even notice how he's reneged on his infrastructure projects. The notion Trump's trade wars are against a neoliberal managed trade is a damned lie. Trump just believes in playing hardball to manage trade more profitably to the US. People who think Trump is standing up for America don't hate Buttigieg for neoliberalism. The widespread feeling that the recovery isn't really and our grand kids have less and less to hope for is not, yet, a groundswell of opposition, it's the excuse for Trumpism. It's not getting harder to fool people, who still haven't figured out Trump is a decompensated fraud, an enemy of the welfare of the majority of the people of the country, a would-be outlaw who will corrupt the justice system and repress his enemies with fraudulent trials and a vile beast who encourages cruelty and plays divide and rule.

Only a witless buffoon whose mind was wrecked by irrepressible feelings when confronted by the gay guy can manage to simultaneously assert the "establishment" (party establishment? class establishment? the moronic Deep State establishment? whatever is convenient to hint at when overwhelmed by disturbing ideas "establishment?) is, whatever "establishment" it is, is incapable of picking a Democratic Party hack to crush Sanders *and* at the very same moment capable of totally repressing Tulsi Gabbard! Trumpery crossed with homophobia.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 13 2020 22:45 utc | 235

information_agent #217

I do like your spiel and you have a highly recommended solution in that last paragraph. :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 13 2020 22:47 utc | 236

@john brewster

Thank you for your carefully considered reply. The analysis of the SPD rings true for me. I have found through hard experience that the most carefully crafted organizational constitution can be subverted by "bad actors", usually quite easily.

The key is participation. Once members think of the organization as something separate that is just providing a service, it is doomed to become useless in the class struggle. "Business" labor unions are the prime example in the US.

I dunno. Maybe humans are just herd animals after all, and doomed to prefer heroic psychopathic leaders, 'cause leading is damn hard work, and generally a huge pain in the ass.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 13 2020 22:47 utc | 237

Yes to Egor68500 and Russ -- I have three Russian varieties that I save seed from. Each is very different but one usually outshines the other two depending on the sort of summer we have here in high desert country. Black Krim was the first and most successful(lemony and large), then Moskva, which has a pointy shape like a Russian church dome, very big plants, and one that was simply named 'Russian fern leaf' - don't know where that is from but it stands the heat the best, though I have to watch for spider mites if it's too hot and dry.

I think they'll all do well this year - we've had lots of wintertime moisture!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 13 2020 23:04 utc | 238

I dunno. Maybe humans are just herd animals after all, and doomed to prefer heroic psychopathic leaders, 'cause leading is damn hard work, and generally a huge pain in the ass.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 13 2020 22:47 utc | 237

I don't think it's so much about preference as it is about options. One also has to take into account ability not only to understand the challenges, but to decide on what must be done to achieve a more fair distribution of power and wealth.

Further to that and re: herd animals, a favourite quote;

"The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."

Winston Randolph Churchill


That my friend, and I hope I can address you as such, is so very telling. It's not an endorsement of Churchill's politics, it's plucking slivers of wisdom wherever they can be found, regardless of source.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 13 2020 23:10 utc | 239

We're not herd animals. We're hybrid chimpanzees - and thus tribal and therefore racist by nature.. . That's pretty much what Jared Diamond says, and only today they've teased out another bit of our tribal genetics...

see

RT>Ghost in the shell: Never-before-seen extinct species of human found lurking in genes of today's West Africans – study

And> Recovering signals of ghost archaic introgression in
African populations (science direct)

Yes, not quite PC, not a welcome truth at all. Perhaps this is an original sin, a fault - to be considered as opposed by intellect and diplomacy for the common human interests.

They say "Timshel" Thou mayest.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 13 2020 23:37 utc | 240

Bubbles @234--

Thanks for your reply! The Saker has written an essay on a topic I've often contemplated writing about and have discussed at times here at the bar: "Understanding why they lie and why they get away with it," although my title and framing would certainly differ.

After an intro citing some recent prevarications, Saker gets to his main points:

"The truth is that lies have become the norm of the western political discourse.

"That is bad enough by itself. But there is worse.

"The worst is not that western politicians lie, the worst is that almost nobody cares.

"That is really scary.

"Why?

"Because in a society which expects everybody to lie, facts simply don’t matter any more.

"So that is the key question: do we care or don’t we?" [Emphasis all original]

Sure, many care as he notes. His discourse then becomes metaphysical, so it's best barflies read it themselves instead of me invariably spinning it in some manner. What he discusses I've delved into before here, albeit briefly. But what he discusses greatly impacts the current political scene as reality becomes the main issue of the essay, and reality is made up of truth and facts.

Sanders is pounding reality with his gavel at every opportunity, while his challengers try to get along by using the usual blend of prevarications and waffles. That's why I wrote above that Sanders will make lots of hay in Nevada with Trump's lies about Social Security and Medicare, and everywhere else he goes. Indeed, that's why he's such a threat to the D-Party since it's built on the lies of the Clintons and their allies. Along with Junk Economics we need Junk Politics, although I do recall several writers who tried to inform the public, William Greider'sWho Will Tell the People: The Betrayal of American Democracy from 1993! being the most memorable and still valid today.

Some of the naysayers here are sincere and honest in their cynicism; others are simply trolls. At times it's hard to tell one from the other. IMO, the best politically active move a barfly residing within the Empire can do is form a discussion group to discuss today's realities sans the BigLie Media crap. That's how the 19th Century People's Party started its trek to almost capturing the national government. Just remember that bettering your own and your family's condition is a very conservative value and isn't at all radical, although some today are trying to make it so, and that one of our nation's fundamental realities is the failure to advance the wellbeing of our most basic national asset--our Human Capital. That's a reality faced by most every person of whatever political persuasion and ought to be a very easy icebreaker to use in drumming up a conversation or beginning a group discussion. And it can always be pointed out that doing so is one of the basic rationales provided in the Constitution's Preamble to guide the government.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 23:47 utc | 241

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 19:43 utc | 212 with the Ellen Brown link about Mexico creating hundreds of local public banks to serve the people.

Thanks for that link and I did see/read the article but am distracted with life and so have not been commenting as much.

Thanks for your other commentary and links as well.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2020 23:56 utc | 242

Trailer Trash @ 237

The key is participation. Once members think of the organization as something separate that is just providing a service, it is doomed to become useless in the class struggle. "Business" labor unions are the prime example in the US.

Participation is basic. I find inspiration in the strangest places. For example, in the brutal Scifi neo-noir of the Takeshi Kovacs series. (The novel - not the worthless TV series.) There is a revolutionary named Quelcrist Falconer, and the author gives her some good lines:

People don’t do what they are supposed to do. Run Things. Take control. Look after social systems. Keep the streets safe, administer public health and education. Build stuff. Create wealth and organize data, and ensure they both flow where they are needed. People will do all of this; the capacity is there, but…they have to be switched on first. They have to be made aware.

The oligarchs are…like a closed subroutine that has gotten out of hand. A cancer if you like. They’re programmed to feed off the rest of the body no matter what the cost to the system in general, and to kill off anything that competes. That’s why you have to take them down first.

(Smashing the ruling class) is a necessary first step. Every previous revolutionary movement in history has made the same basic mistake. They’ve all seen power as a static apparatus, as a structure. It is not. It’s a dynamic, a flow system with two possible tendencies. Power either accumulates, or it diffuses through the system. In most societies, its in accumulative mode, and most revolutionary movements are only really interested in reconstituting the accumulation in a new location. A genuine revolutionary movement has to reverse the flow. And no one ever does that, because they are all too fucking scared of losing their conning tower moment in the historical process. If you tear down one agglutinative power dynamic and put another one it its place, you’ve changed nothing. You’re not going to solve any of that society’s problems, they’ll just reemerge at a new angle…You’ve got to build structures that allow for the diffusion of power, not regrouping.

Maybe constitutional democracy wasn’t the failure the people who write the history books would like us to believe. Maybe they just murdered it, took it away from us, and lied to our children about it.

Just FYI, the TV series made Falconer into an agent of the government. :slaps forehead: Can't have TV viewers getting any ideas.

Something in this quote for everyone here: advocates taking out oligarchs, then disses revolutionaires who want to "reconstitute the accumulation in a new location". Maybe fantasy, but well written.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 14 2020 0:12 utc | 243

People opposed Obama because he's black. People opposed Clinton because she's a woman. People oppose Buttegieg because he's gay. We've heard all those lies before, all those viciously cynical lies. People oppose these folks because they are blatant tools of the establishment.

Posted by: paul | Feb 14 2020 0:29 utc | 244

one of our nation's fundamental realities is the failure to advance the wellbeing of our most basic national asset--our Human Capital. That's a reality faced by most every person of whatever political persuasion and ought to be a very easy icebreaker to use in drumming up a conversation or beginning a group discussion. And it can always be pointed out that doing so is one of the basic rationales provided in the Constitution's Preamble to guide the government.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 23:47 utc | 241

First of all the proletariat need a platform to do that and that isn't in the interests of the 'rich' so they aren't about to accommodate such goals especially in the multi-billion dollar media industry they own. Even the Nazi's understood the power of controlling the media. Erdogan and the US funded terrorists in Syria too. No Western journalists were allowed into the 'freedom fighters' territory lest they were willing to gamble on losing their head ..literally.

The now disgraced oracle of the Money Changers, Alan Greenspan once said, in so many words, the workers must be continuously subject to uncertainty of job security in order to make them productive.

Pretty damned elitist of him don't you think? But the rub is, there's truth in what he said. I was a small businessman for 20 odd years and I can say many employees don't understand when they seek and receive employment, they have a responsibility to produce an adequate amount of work so both partners in the venture, employer and employee can benefit.

However, that doesn't address the other side of the equation, employers abusing employees for personal gain. A balanced, centrist positions is preferred in such matters. Unions once tried to achieve that balance, but they came under attack from both sides and lost their position as arbitrators.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 0:37 utc | 245

@ Posted by: Ghost_of_Banned | Feb 13 2020 21:21 utc | 225

I've read rumors that there's a plot to stage a superdelegate coup in order to implode Bernie Sanders' nomination. Since the superdelegates hold a 16% swing (so I've been told, don't know if this information is true), then Bernie Sanders would have to have an overwhelming, landslide victory in the DNC primaries in order to overcome the superdelegates.

To put simply, they are systematically frauding the state votings in order to keep Buttigieg close enough for the superdelegates to give him the nomination.

Posted by: vk | Feb 14 2020 1:04 utc | 246

Unions once tried to achieve that balance, but they came under attack from both sides and lost their position as arbitrators.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 0:37 utc | 245

'Perceived arbitrators' would have been a better way of saying it. Wording does of course matter. Intent even more so.

ie Drain the swamp said conman in Chief trump who then went on to fashion an admin after a New York crime syndicate, complete with Consigliere Rudy Giuliani and Enforcer William Barr.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 1:04 utc | 247

According to DW News, Feb 13, 2020, Airbus has reported its first loss in ten years after paying $3.6 Billion fines over corruption allegations.
The company's entire management has stepped down over the charges.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 14 2020 1:45 utc | 248

an entire management stepping down? obviously not in the usa.... this can only happen is places where there is a modicum of self respect and decency..

Posted by: james | Feb 14 2020 2:02 utc | 249

Boy oh boy, is this thread polluted by the champions of "do nothing, it's hopeless" politics.
If humanity had listened to voices such as we have here on this thread, we'd all be living in caves today.

To try and improve ones lives and living conditions is just hopeless and futile and stupid.

Thanks for the advice, but as for me, I'll do what I want, for whom I want, regardless of your bad advice.

Posted by: ben | Feb 14 2020 2:15 utc | 250

@ karlof1 | Feb 13 2020 23:47 utc | 241

”I do recall several writers who tried to inform the public, William Greider's 'Who Will Tell the People: The Betrayal of American Democracy' from 1993! being the most memorable and still valid today.”

Agreed, with additions: Whenever I encounter someone who wishes to understand politics and governance in the US today, I refer them to three books, in this order: Howard Zinn's “People's History of the United States,” Lincoln Steffen's “The Shame of the Cities” and the above-mentioned “Who Will Tell the People.”

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 14 2020 2:18 utc | 251

The worst decade for growth in two centuries

Today’s new GDP figures show growth at the end of 2019 grinding to a halt, bringing to an end to the worst decade of recovery in two centuries.

Flat quarterly growth (i.e. 0.0 per cent) in 2019Q4 continues the volatile but overall weak figures throughout the year: Q1= 0.6%; Q2 =-0.1%; Q3=0.5%. Overall growth for the calendar year was 1.4 per cent, second weakest of the past decade. Within this, the manufacturing industry is in recession - a calendar year decline of 1.5% is the worst since the global recession.

When 2008 happened, the global elites - centered around the American elite - was decided no to let another 1929 happen. They acted quickly and decisively, thus avoiding the collapse of the capitalist system. But it came at a cost: no growth.

As a result, capitalism is now an undead system.

Posted by: vk | Feb 14 2020 2:21 utc | 252

Here's an opinion you won't hear much;

http://failedevolution.blogspot.com/2020/02/although-liberal-brains-are-still-in.html

Posted by: ben | Feb 14 2020 2:36 utc | 253

Circe @ 191:
You're right. If there's anyone worth voting for this race it's Bernie.
But as economist Michael Hudson keeps saying in numerous interviews, "Revolution is the only solution."

The Swiss international corporations study shows an incredible amount of control over the world economy. More specifically, I recently read how Black Rock controls medicine and its stupendous price in America. And the oligarchs own the media. Therefore, given that the votes are counted in a black box w/o witnesses. . . .

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 14 2020 3:53 utc | 254

paul @244

Oppose Buttigieg because he's gay? Geez, Paul, have you ever visited South Bend, Indiana? Where he was elected mayor with 8,515 votes (yes, that was the total number of votes he received in 2015). I did, last year, and . . . couldn't begin to imagine anyone voting for him for President of the United Kennel Club, much less the United States.

Posted by: zakukommander | Feb 14 2020 4:14 utc | 255

Below is a ZH link about the recent NATO meeting and Iraq followed by take away quotes

Opening For US Troop Exit? NATO Heeds Trump's Call To Expand In Iraq

The take away quotes
"
At a NATO defense meeting in Brussels this week, the alliance's Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced to reporters: “Allied ministers had reaffirmed their support to Iraq and agreed in principle to enhance NATO's training mission.”
.............
This does appear the crafting of an 'alternative' option for Baghdad: as opposed to the deeply unpopular beefy American presence of over 5,000 soldiers, the smaller Canadian-led mission of some 500 NATO troops which initiated their mission to train and advise Iraqis in 2018 could be a compromise alleviating the West's "security concerns" about either Iranian expansion or an ISIS resurgence.

The White House itself could then be given political breathing space to finally leave, given that in January President Trump called on the NATO alliance to “become more involved in the Middle East".
"
Are the remaining Canada trainers in Iraq also providing back up for the troops in Syria at the oil fields just across the border?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 14 2020 4:17 utc | 256

Here's something for you psychoh on public banking in India. I heard public banking has increased in 2020, but the article won't load, so here's the 2019 article.

https://www.mapsofindia.com/my-india/business/top-10-largest-public-sector-banks-in-india-2019

Posted by: ben | Feb 14 2020 4:38 utc | 257

@ Posted by: ben | Feb 14 2020 4:38 utc | 257 with the link about public banking in India....thanks.

In doing some research on India's "Central Bank" I discovered that India, along with 8 other regional countries are part of a 1974 UN started organization called the Asian Clearing Union (ACU), which is headquartered in Iran. In 2013, Iran got implemented an ACU plan that provides an alternative to SWIFT financial transactions called SEPAM.....one of the ways Iran gets around sanctions that probably drives the neocons crazy.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 14 2020 5:33 utc | 258

Bubbles @216:

Do you somehow think your Sanders centric criticism is going to bring about change ... ?

Criticism from Russ, myself, and others is centered on the duopoly parties and the Zionist establishment. But Sanders appears to have allied with that establishment. He has assumed the role of a 'sheepdog', herding progressives into the Democratic Party fold.

Please try to follow the logic:

  1. The Zionist, EMPIRE-FIRST establishment "owns" the Democratic and Republican Parties (aka the "duopoly")
  2. Sanders MUST GAIN A MAJORITY OF ELECTED DELEGATES or an establishment candidate will be picked (via a 'brokered' convention)
  3. Sanders doesn't complain about things he should be complaining about IF HE REALLY WANTED TO WIN (media bias; election manipulation; Democratic Party identity politics; and why does he let his enemies use "socialism" as a pejorative when he could instead criticize the rightward move of BOTH Parties over the last 40 years?)

    - and -

    Sanders has unilaterally and preemptively given up any leverage that he might have to move his "democratic socialist" agenda forward (he has said MANY TIMES that "Trump is the most dangerous President" ever and that he will support any candidate that the Democratic Party runs in the General Election)

    These TWO faults, take together, amount to a betrayal of his 'base'.

Bubbles @234:

Sander's detractors appear to seek the perfect candidate ... If anyone can articulate a better choice ...

"Perfect Candidate?" You are strawmaning.

There is no "better choice" because the duopoly is gonna manipulate the election to put forward establishment candidates.

Thus, voting for Sanders is essentially a "protest vote".

Those of us who are not enamored of being fooled AND ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE CHANGE have argued for independent Movements. Independent Movements are not tied to any Party or candidate. Pick whomever you like.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 14 2020 6:40 utc | 259

Boy oh boy, is this thread polluted by the champions of "do nothing, it's hopeless" politics.
If humanity had listened to voices such as we have here on this thread, we'd all be living in caves today.

Boy oh boy, is this thread polluted by the champions of "There is No Alternative" politics: It is decreed by God himself, and woe to anyone who envisions the history-proven alternatives, let alone calls for them as preferable to the proven failure of mass neoliberalism.

If humanity continues to listen to voices such as we have here on this thread, they'll be lucky to be living in caves.

Of course humans seldom or never lived in caves, so we see our liberal Dembot's typical historical ignorance and intrinsic racism against anyone not fully domesticated in the modern Western sense.

Then there's the bubblehead who out of ignorance or deliberate lying keeps misusing the term "anarchy" (which means lack of hierarchical government) as a synonym for the chaos which follows the collapse of his own preferred capitalist systems. This slander of ideas and terms is typical corporate media stuff. It has zero to do with the efforts and aspirations of those who oppose this system and are working toward salvaging what little can be salvaged from the accelerating wreckage.

Any chaos will be 100% the responsibility of those who did nothing but fight in the most reactionary way to prop up the death machine, including those delusional and anti-historical enough to think it could be "reformed". They really just want the machine, period, reformed or not. That's the only way it's possible for them to keep bending the knee to the infinitely vile Democratic Party.

And finally, we see how no amount of repeated answering of any of their questions or allegations makes even the slightest dent in their willful ignorance. They immediately repeat the exact same "questions" and straw-manning. Like I said earlier in this thread, to try to argue with a There-Is-No-Alternative Dembot electoral fundamentalist is like arguing with a creationist.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 14 2020 7:24 utc | 260

According to this pro-indigenous anti-imperialist activist, AOC loves the Bolivian fascists and hates the natives.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/14/ocasio-cortez-to-constituents-on-bolivian-coup-drop-dead/

If accurate, that wouldn't have anything to do with her ecocidal lithium imperialism, would it?

Posted by: Russ | Feb 14 2020 8:48 utc | 261

Money can’t buy you friends. But it can buy you influence – or influencers, to be precise. In the latest round of “What will Mike Bloomberg buy next?” (he has already been accused of buying his way into the presidential race) Bloomberg is offering $150 a pop to Instagram influencers willing to shill for his campaign, according to the Daily Beast.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-bloomberg-is-paying-influencers-to-make-him-seem-cool-9

Posted by: Mao | Feb 14 2020 9:31 utc | 262

@Likklemore | 215
I have read about this elsewhere but wasn't aware of the opportunity to veto. And, it's been a long day, not sure what the last paragraph in the quote is saying - is the veto likely or unlikely to get the required support? If eight Repulican originally voted for are they expected to vote against in the Veto?

Posted by: Egor68500 | Feb 14 2020 11:19 utc | 263

Russ @ 260 says:

Then there's the bubblehead who out of ignorance or deliberate lying keeps misusing the term "anarchy" (which means lack of hierarchical government) as a synonym for the chaos which follows the collapse of his own preferred capitalist systems. This slander of ideas and terms is typical corporate media stuff. It has zero to do with the efforts and aspirations of those who oppose this system and are working toward salvaging what little can be salvaged from the accelerating wreckage

yeah, sad indeed to hear someone refer to anarchy and dark ages in the same breath.

as William Blake rolls in his grave...

but I guess the ignorant dance with visions of Molotov cocktails in their heads.

...

on a more current note, in lieu of the inadequate and gutless interest in anarchy around here, here's Cynthia McKinney, the truest spirit of the left to ever grace the halls of Congress, on her voyage to anarchy. 42 minutes. do yourself a favour.

Posted by: john | Feb 14 2020 11:26 utc | 264

Second Syrian helicopter shot down in the Idlib/Aleppo theatre within three days. Looks like Sultan Erdogan has been handing out MANPADS to the Al Qaeda rebels. Syria ought to reconsider its tactics, or at least use more advanced helicopters than the Mil Mi-17.

Posted by: 0use4msm | Feb 14 2020 12:57 utc | 265

Direita faz campanha de ódio contra papa Francisco por encontro com Lula

You see, Christians are only Christians when it suits them; right-wingers are only universalists when it suits their class interests.

Nothing is sacred; politics (class struggle) is everything.

Posted by: vk | Feb 14 2020 13:10 utc | 266

Posted by: Russ | Feb 14 2020 7:24 utc | 260

The definitions of anarchy and anarchist are easy to find on the internet. I'm confident even a leading representative of boo bird land like you can do it. Bottom line is you and your compadre the talking rabbit bring nothing of value to the topic. Now be a good boy and find something useful to do.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 14:19 utc | 267

vk@246 solidarizes with the reactionary attack on Buttigieg, then inadvertently self-refutes with tripe about the superdelegates (renamed automatic delegates.) See here for a current listing of who their favorite is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2020_Democratic_Party_automatic_delegates As everyone knows---but shamelessly lies about anyway---the favorite is Biden. This is especially significant as the superdelegates are, basically, the party establishment. They are deemed automatic delegates on the grounds as the distinguished leaders they are stakeholders. This year, they are not allowed to vote on the first ballot. If I read it correctly their presence is entirely irrelevant to Sanders' chances on a first ballot victory, where if he gets a majority of pledged delegates, it's done and dusted. So the pretext for abusing the gay guy, that he's the favorite, is just as always a lie.

If "they" (as usual an unspecified, downright mystical "they,") can rig the primaries to take the convention into the second round, it is not at all clear why they don't rig the primaries to put Biden in on the first round. Put less politely, only an ass who mental equilibrium was upset could convince themselves the Great Conspiracy is too weak and disorganized to put their favorite in while *at the very same moment* capable of playing eleven dimensional chess. The resemblance to Trump adulators is noticeable. Trump derangement syndrome is not a thing, but homophobic panic is.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 14 2020 14:23 utc | 268

John dolton appears to have difficulty following a conversation, confusing discussion about the dark ages and feudalism with later references to Bannon style burn it all down anarchy. I suppose one shouldn't expect much from a john

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 14:32 utc | 269

WHO accused of being ‘affiliated’ with Beijing

Translation: the West is angry the WHO isn't sabotaging and feeding regime change in China.

Finland ‘skeptical’ of US plans to buy out Nokia

Yeah, well... shame it is not up to the Finish government to decide that...

US judge blocks Microsoft’s ‘tainted’ contract

As we say here in the rest of the world: an American is the absolute patriot - until money runs out.

As quarantine nears end, clearing coronavirus-hit ship is daunting task for Japan

Almighty Japan suffering to clean a cruise ship. And the Western MSM still vomits its psalms about how containing an epidemic is easy, that if China had a "free press" this would've never happened, etc. etc.

--//--

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 14 2020 14:23 utc | 268

The superdelegate theory is not mine. I've read it somewhere in Twitter, from American citizens (who, theoretically, should know their own electoral system from the tip of their tongues).

And the polls really suggest there's some basis for that theory: polls in Iowa and NH indicated Bernie Sanders was already at least 5% above Buttigieg, and that this chasm was growing. Then, all of a sudden, fraud techniques dign of the Third World happen out of the blue and Buttigieg finishes less than 1% behind Sanders - on both States. Weird, very weird (by "weird", I mean "there was blatant fraud for sure").

Posted by: vk | Feb 14 2020 14:41 utc | 270

As I've had posted in some Open Thread here some weeks ago, official data has finally come to the Western MSM.

Germany - and, therefore, the EU - is on its knees:

German economy stagnates as eurozone growth hits seven-year low

Don't want to be that guy, but the game is pretty much over for Germany (and for whatever the fuck the Europeans mean by "Europe").

Posted by: vk | Feb 14 2020 14:46 utc | 271

Yogi Berra, the great Yankees catcher, had the memorable line, “It’s like deja vu all over again.”

Bernie Sanders supporters might have been thinking the same thing after the fiasco of the Iowa caucuses.

It was just four years ago that the corporate hacks who run the Democratic Party rigged the 2016 primary election process to favor Hillary Clinton and stop Sanders: The Democratic National Committee, which is supposed to stay neutral in a primary, secretly funneled party funds to Hillary’s campaign, fed Hillary debate questions before a CNN town hall, and selected superdelegates who pledged their votes to Hillary before the first primary votes were even cast.

This time around, Democratic Party insiders appear to be playing the same game. Throughout 2019, corporate Democrats and their media allies disparaged and minimized Bernie’s campaign, asserting that it had little chance of winning the nomination. But these tactics didn’t work. In late December, Sanders was leading in polling in Iowa, New Hampshire, and nationwide, and was close to the lead or within the margin of error in other important primary states like South Carolina, Nevada, California, and Texas.

Buttigieg signaled to the Democratic Party operatives—a loose alliance of consultants, corporate lobbyists, and pundits—that if elected, he will keep the money flowing to these bandits, despite their terminal corruption and incompetence. It’s no wonder that he's [Buttigieg's] a favorite of the party establishment and Wall Street donors. Sanders, on the other hand, is a mortal threat to this consultant class and to their business model of collecting checks for doing horrible work.

The corporate donors to the Democratic Party fear and loathe Sanders because he is not in their pockets. Unlike the so-called “centrist” Democrats, Sanders does not accept corporate contributions, and he does not do fund-raisers with high-dollar contributors. Instead he relies on a large army of small donors. This makes him incredibly dangerous to the corporate elite.

The forces of corporate greed and the military-industrial complex seem prepared to stop Sanders at all costs. As Biden fades from contention, they are putting their money on Mayor Pete. If he stumbles, the party is prepared to install Michael Bloomberg at a brokered convention. Bloomberg, the world’s eighth richest man, has $61.9 billion at his disposal to influence the Democratic Party. The DNC has already changed its rules to allow Bloomberg to qualify for the debates. That, coupled with the Iowa caucus fiasco, has fueled calls for the resignation of DNC head Tom Perez.

The Democratic Party’s embrace of Bloomberg puts the lie to the excuse that Sanders should not be nominated because he is not sufficiently loyal to the Democratic Party. Until just recently, Bloomberg was a Republican. In 2004, Bloomberg endorsed George W. Bush, praising his decision to invade Iraq.

shadowy-plot-to-stop-bernie-sanders

More than ever to mess with this anti-democratic operation, is imperative that Bernie Sanders be supported all the way to win the Nomination because 9 out of 10 polls demonstrate he can defeat Trump and will defeat him.

RB Ginsburg will not last another Presidential term. She must be replaced by a liberal judge and Bernie's berning priority is to get BIG MONEY out of politics, overturning Citizen's United, so billionaies like Bloomberg can't buy their way to the Presidency and Buttigieg and Trump can't be financed by Zionist billionaires who want to push their agenda over the will and power that should be of the people. Trump is making changes to the courts that will last a generation. BERNIE MUST WIN THE NOMINATION AND DEFEAT TRUMP. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity that will not come again for any of us! THIS IS A CRITICAL TIME WHEN EVERYONE MUST ACT FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE AND TO STOP THE IMMINENT CLIMATE DISASTER.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 14 2020 14:55 utc | 272

Bubbles @267: anarchy!!!

We can't have nice things because ... anarchy!

Every reformer has heard that same tired excuse.

Bernie is no reformer. He's controlled opposition. He is not really a threat to the corrupt Zionist Death Cult Asshats that run the Empire.

The Establishment Doesn’t Fear Trump, And It Doesn’t Fear Bernie. It Fears You.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 14 2020 15:37 utc | 273

Listened to Gabbard on Joe Rogan - I was impressed.

As for Bernie: why exactly is he stronger in 2020 than 2016?
In 2016, he beat HRC in New Hampshire 60% to 38%
2020: Bernie = 25.73%, Butti = 24.32, Klobo = 19.82%

Iowa:
In 2016, HRC and Sanders were effectively tied: 49.86% vs. 49.57%
2020: the same situation with Butti

I can't say that "its different this time", so far. If anything, the vote share Bernie is getting today is less than in 2016.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 14 2020 15:54 utc | 274

Just for your information,here in France the leading news outlets have already been briefed about their new future presedential candidate P.Buttigieg.It is clear to many readers that anything negative about Pete is already silenced,and anything negative about your Bernie is inflated.Just wondering how they proceed to make journalists act following their orders.It's all the much astounding,as Le Monde,picturing itself as left,should have some inclination towards Sanders,but they don't.Of course they wanna see a homocouple in the white house,and they still think that such is the major reason for young people to vote for Pete.Even in this country,France,where people take benefits from social programs,universal health care and so on,those journalists prefer that in your country,the USA,big money goes to war,and none at all to the welfare of the people.It's just crazy!

Posted by: willie | Feb 14 2020 15:54 utc | 275

Bubbles @ 74

It is extremely misleading to characterize a Jew as a Bulgarian. Daniel Ivandjiiski ('Tyler Durden') may have been born in Bulgaria and carried Bulgarian citizenship, but he's not a Bulgarian by family origin. He's a Jew. One would be wise to not assume that he feels loyalty to the Bulgarian nation. He does seem a very slippery operator. His is seemingly an unfettered forum of free speech. But his selection of topics is highly tendentious. Of course the commenters lay into articles and correct matters. But I do notice armies of trolls, most notably from Israel's Ministry of Strategic Affairs, but several others as well. When Epstein was arrested, two armies, the Zionists with Trump, and the globalists, squared off into pitched battles. I see Ivandjiiski as a water carrier for Trump.

The formula of ZeroHedge could work for advocates of a more truthful and humane agenda. It might be worth looking into an agreement with Russian search engine Yandex in place of Google.

Posted by: sarz | Feb 14 2020 17:00 utc | 276

US Democracy in action at the highest level; New Yorker Mike Bloomberg and campaign chief Tim O'Brien duke it out on twitter with fellow New Yorker @Real Donald and @Real Donald the lesser, Don junior.

Jr. posted accusations of racism against mike and set off a flame war. For your entertainment..

https://twitter.com/TimOBrien and 17 tweets on Feb 11th

"Tim O'Brien
@TimOBrien
·
Feb 11
6/x: Your mom, Ivana Trump, told her lawyer during your parents divorce that your dad kept a copy of Hitler’s collected speeches by his bedside in Trump Tower. When a reporter questioned your dad about the book in 1990, he balked and then said it was a gift."

Award for best zinger goes to..

"Tim O'Brien
@TimOBrien
·
Feb 11
4/x: O’Donnell also described Trump as picky about who handled his cash back then. “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

Bloomberg responds to trump's "mini mike" and establishes he can play name game tag too

#CarnivalBarkingClown

It rose to #16 worldwide
https://getdaytrends.com/trend/%23CarnivalBarkingClown/

Comes complete with pictures
https://twitter.com/AZVotes/status/1227952778313715713/photo/1

What would the kids say? @like real mature dudes.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 17:09 utc | 277

Bernie will continue the endless wars. His m4all is not feasible. The dems will get behind Bloomberg.

Posted by: Anon | Feb 14 2020 17:20 utc | 278

Ben Ferguson, a conservative radio host, said he has spoken to Democratic voters on his show who are unsure if Mr Buttigieg's sexual orientation could hamper him in defeating Mr Trump.

"There was a surprising number of Democratic voters who said it was an issue for them," he told CNN. "The reality is what Limbaugh was talking about."

In Iowa's caucuses last week one voter asked to rescind her ballot for Mr Buttigieg after learning he was gay.

"I don't want anybody like that in the White House," she said. So, can I have my card back?"

Buttigieg's sexuality becomes an issue

So not only is Buttigieg taking money from billionaires and other influencers, but the fact that he's married to a man will become an issue when people who still aren't aware of this learn about it IN THE GENERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN. He's being funded strictly to stop Sanders momentum now and then LOSE TO TRUMP later. PERIOD! GET REAL.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 14 2020 17:26 utc | 279

But I do notice armies of trolls, most notably from Israel's Ministry of Strategic Affairs, but several others as well.

I see Ivandjiiski as a water carrier for Trump.

Posted by: sarz | Feb 14 2020 17:00 utc | 276

I was of the opinion the troll army was an in house op with a few dozen low paid characters with multiple ID's, but what you suggest is of course possible. Given the www is world wide, they could live in other countries. I agree Ivanjiiski is a water boy for the trump propaganda division. Apparently he has done quite well for himself and lives in a very expensive home and his only known source of income is that site, so I doubt he's doing this for free unless he hopes to get some reward miles later on. Even a lowly blogger like Elliot Higgins got a big boost after shilling for the uniparty's regime change division proxy war op in Syria.

To determine whose interests he serves, it's useful to note who and what he never criticizes / attacks.

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 14 2020 18:07 utc | 280

Today, February 14, is the eve of a feast day in the old Russian calendar, being the feast of the Presentation of the infant Christ by his parents in the temple. On this day, the priest of my little church as a young man was freed from a concentration camp outside Dresden by the bombing that went on to obliterate that beautiful city. He made his way to the Orthodox Cathedral along with others, and all sheltered in the basement of the cathedral. On the morning of the feast they came upstairs to find the cathedral as swept by a huge wind with all its ornaments, icons, furniture in disarray. But outside, as photos attest, all as far as you could see was utterly destroyed.

They performed the liturgy.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 14 2020 18:32 utc | 281

vk@270 tells us no US homophobes would possibly lie to us, and, yeah, twitter is a reliable source of information. After this nonsense, vk demonstrates failure to grasp the inherent unreliability of polls. None of the supposed big leads were beyond the bounds of the reliability of margin of error. It doesn't even seem that vk understands that some polls are more reliable than others. More subtly, Bittigieg was apparently a favorite second choice. Whether second choices were even decided before the caucus is a question, making the polls less reliable. The fraud theory relies on, gay guy! gay guy! gay guy! Incidentally, a solid fact rather than a poll, is that voter turnout isn't that high so far this year.

Circe@272 tells us again that Buttigieg is the favorite, adding the deranged idea Bloomberg is the dark horse. The stalking horse is never the favorite, no matter how many time Circes panic stricken at the gay guy tell us. Worse, Bloomberg is genuinely deserting the Democratic Party as a party and his only use for it now is as a personal vehicle. The Democratic Party is apt to break up in a brokered convention, therefore it is incumbent upon deranged conspiracy theorists like vk and Circe to tell us why the party establishment wants to risk shattering the party.

Circe@279 gets even nuttier, telling us the Democratic Party is already in the bag for Trump, and the stalking horse is the establishment favorite because the Democratic Party wants to lose to Trump. Aside from the stupidity of lying about how Buttigieg is the favorite of the establishment, the best way to stop Sanders is not, not, not by a brokered convention, which will probably split the party. That would give Sanders a claim to be a Democrat, with all the legal privileges of the partisan duopoly. That's the worst of both worlds, both a Democratic Party candidate and and independent candidate, in one person. A "theory" that depends on assuming the enemies are complete half-wits, except when you want to accuse them of vile conspiracies, is just another swindle.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 14 2020 18:56 utc | 282

An addition to my comment @210 on Ellen Brown's article about Mexico's public banking, this Matthew Ehret article picks up on Brown and adds some curious history to it. (As a note to readers, Ehret's connected to Lyndon LaRouche's media network, thus my saying "curious history.") Ehret's take on Alexander Hamilton is one that's curious; but to be honest, I've always suspected some unwarranted bias against Hamilton existed but never took the time to dig into it to try and determine the truth. The article written and printed by Benjamin Franklin, "A Modest Enquiry into the Nature and Necessity of a Paper-Currency," that Ehret cites is one I've never come across before (He has previously surprised me with his sources.), which references previous publications on the topic. Indeed, Franklin's essay is rather extensive and probably of greater interest than Ehret's. Too bad this is relayed at the end of a dying thread. I intend to write about it later at my VK space.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 14 2020 18:56 utc | 283

Fears grow that CDU crisis in Germany could spread across EU

Pressure is growing on Angela Merkel’s troubled Christian Democratic Union to speed up the process of finding a new leader, amid warnings from senior party members that paralysis within the party could spread across the EU when Germany assumes the rotating presidency of the council of the European Union in the second half of the year.

But I thought that this "we have to have a leader" thing was a totalitarian thing - at least according to the capitalist narrative. Weird that now, all of a sudden, the liberals are anxious to find a "new leader" - after all, they are the ones waving the flag that liberalism is democracy, which doesn't need a centralizing figure (i.e. a "dictator") and that anybody can the the leader because the leader is replaceable.

Is liberal capitalism losing its dynamism?

Posted by: vk | Feb 14 2020 19:08 utc | 284

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 13 2020 22:45 utc | 235

Whatever second-rate troll farm you work for isn't getting their money's worth based on the tripe you spew here.

Posted by: information_agent | Feb 14 2020 19:45 utc | 285

@285 information_agent

And notice how he always appears soon after I post something on Sanders a negative on Buttigieg. And I've been commenting here for years, while I just noticed him commenting recently. Hmmmm...🤔

Posted by: Circe | Feb 14 2020 20:05 utc | 286

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2020 18:43 utc | 203
There was no ad hominem against you. Keep cool. I was only trying to understand why you didn't see what my point was. OK, my hypothesis is not very pleasant to hear. That doesn't mean that it must be wrong ad hominem.
Anyway, here are two more unpleasant and plausible hypotheses:
- your many first-hand experiences of cunning individuals is the consequence of your difficulties to speedily identify them during the first period.
- you're not enough wanting to understand the disagreeing opinions.
Look at what you did basically. You just tried to disqualify my POV by unsubstantiated claims that I was parroting the Dems or Maher. You just didn't take care it doesn't match some facts which you already know:
- I'm French. How could I take care of the Dems's kabuki? I don't even know what Maher exactly is.
- I told in the comment which you answered first, that my Qanon = Bannon idea came from the Great Awakening video, when it was released one or two years ago. I was the only one to make this diagnosis at the time. I could claim that Maher is parroting myself today. It would be dumb, for sure, but at least the timeline would be consistent.
- the link between Bannon and the European nationalist-zionist is a documented fact, perfectly understood by real nationalists here in Europe. Again, this has nothing related to the Dems babbling. And I guess that most of them ignore that, since they often peddle the fantasy that Bannon is an antisemitic populist. You can check the zionism of Bannon by searching in Breitbart about Hezbollah.
- the Bannon/Cambridge Analytica story was reported in the best right-leaning French daily newspaper, which is Le Figaro. Lot of factual information, and the story does hold water.

To conclude: you need a more serious approach than this unsubstantiated (and definitely wrong) claim "Parisian Guy is only parroting Maher"

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 14 2020 20:27 utc | 287

The troll is not singling you out, Circe @286. It often attacks others as well. It is just that your posts are not as nutty as they used to be. Some of your posts actually make partial sense now, assuming that the reader can get past the shrill screaming.

Being targeted by paid trolls is a good sign. It means that you make their paymasters nervous. Be proud of it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 14 2020 21:31 utc | 288

Being targeted by paid trolls is a good sign. It means that you make their paymasters nervous. Be proud of it.

Oh, I am proud of it!

So-oh, today, there's this meme going around:

HEY EVERYONE, WANTED TO GET YOU ALL A BERNIE SANDERS FOR VALENTINE'S 💖 DAY BUT BERNIE'S NOT FOR SALE.😘

...unlike weasel Mayor Pete the Cheat that 40 billionaires 🤑 can buy.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 14 2020 21:59 utc | 289

Great news, just starting to pop up online:

Mistrial Declared in Kafkaesque DC Trial of Venezuela Embassy Protection Collective

Posted by: jalp | Feb 14 2020 22:44 utc | 290

Here's an article of interest, "Timeline: How the DNC Manipulated 2016 Presidential Race," although I don't think it's 100% complete as a lot of fraud at the primaries isn't included. But, it is a good reminder.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2020 1:16 utc | 291

If Bernie Sanders keeps leading in California the way he is and can better his lead in Texas (he's leading in 6 Super Tuesday states already, btw, some by less, 1 or 2 points, some by more); and he's leading by 2 points in Nevada; if he continues this upward trend then, there's no way the DNC can stop him after March 3rd, and no way they can pull something at the Convention.

Bloomberg is a dark rain cloud, a party pooper...BOOOO! He has a massive operation in California, but hey, wait one minute: BLOOMBERG WAS A BUSH REPUBLICAN! That's not something you can easily erase from your resumé! And right now he's trailing third behind Biden in Cali. Bloomberg can wallpaper California with multi-million dollar ads, but they love Bernie down there, Bloomberg...uh, not so much.

Bloomberg's been pretending he had a sudden black and brown conversion...naaah, I don't think so. Bloomberg is PANDERING to blacks and latinos and using them as political props, when a short time ago he sent an army of police to profile them, slam them against the wall and frisk. So no money in the world is gonna WHITEWASH Bloomberg now.

Money can't buy you everything and Bloomberg is about to learn that lesson. He's in this race to sabotage Sanders campaign, because, trust me, he can't defeat Trump. The Left WILL NOT SUPPORT HIS BILLION-DOLLAR SA-BO-TAGE OF BERNIE so if he succeeded, which he won't, they would never forgive him for this demented Billionaire scheme.

Lemme tell you how Bernie can shut down the Bloomberg Billion-dollar sabotage operation in one sentence or two on the debate stage: So, Mike, you're telling not me, us, that you're throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars just to defeat me? You should have taken those hundreds of millions and put a roof over 500,000 homeless people in America, cause I'm going to win, and you threw all that money away to try to buy yourself an election instead!

Bernie, if by some miracle you see this, please use these words!

I will dance like a giddy child in the street when Bloomberg gets his sorry ass kicked out by Bernie!

I think, I really think...Bernie's gonna pull this off! MAMA MIA! Can this be true???

If Bernie can defeat the Bloomberg Billion-dollar machine, aye-aye-aye, he'll make Trump's head spin!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 15 2020 6:35 utc | 292

: karlof1 | Feb 14 2020 18:56 utc | 283

Dude, previously you gave the VK address, and I have lost it.

Can you kindly re-state this?

Thanks, Wally

Posted by: Walter | Feb 15 2020 7:26 utc | 293

Oh, here we go, Zionists are at it again!

THE AMERICAN ISRAEL Public Affairs Committee is helping to fund a Super PAC launching attack ads against Sen. Bernie Sanders in Nevada on Saturday, according to two sources with knowledge of the arrangement. The ads are being run by a group called Democratic Majority for Israel, founded by longtime AIPAC strategist Mark Mellman.

The Nevada attack ads, which will air in media markets in Reno and Las Vegas, follow a similar spending blitz by DMFI ahead of the Iowa caucuses. Like the ads that aired in Iowa, the Nevada ads will attack Sanders on the idea that he’s not electable, Mediaite reported.

DMFI spent $800,000 on the Iowa ads, while the spending on the Nevada ads remains private. AIPAC is helping bankroll the anti-Sanders project by allowing donations to DMFI to count as contributions to AIPAC, the sources said.

aipac-anti-bernie-sanders-ads-nevada

Why did Betty McCollum endorse Klobuchar, a shill for Israel instead of Bernie Sanders???

betty-mccollum-aipac-palestinian-rights

If Betty McCollum can take on Aipac and Israel she's a strong woman. I could see her debating Mike Pence, and she's a Senior Whip, that means she's good at getting votes in the House. As VP, she could get all Bernie's policies to pass.

I don't get it. She thinks like Bernie on foreign policy, so what's her beef with Bernie? She failed to endorse him twice! What's up with that, lady?

She's got the experience to have his back on policy. She sure would have made a tough, interesting VP.

I suppose he can choose Keith Ellison but it is a bit of a risk since he's a Muslim and not everyone is open to a Muslim VP. However, he would help rally the black vote, although if Sanders gets the nomination, 90% of Blacks will vote for him anyway.

Then there is Tulsi or Wang, but they have less experience with Congress and Wang has none and part of a Veeps job is to rally Congress around the President's policy.

I hope when he gets there he chooses wisely. The candidate will have to debate Pence and must be convincing.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 15 2020 8:46 utc | 294

Circe | Feb 15 2020 8:46 utc | 294 (foreign agents in 'lections)

PressTV > "Israel meddling in US elections, not Russians: Philip Giraldi"

In a matter from the rooted origins of the zionist intelop sometimes called Israel> Didja know that Truman beat Dewey in '48, when everybody was sure Dewey'd win...the zionists gave in secret 2 million us bucks to the Truman campaign...and maybe some buckies stuck to the man himself... (he was corrupt in some small ways, at least...carried his family on the Senate Office payroll - stuff like that).

It was payback for the 2 million when he insisted on recognition of Israel. May Jews objected loudly too... NY Times publiched a letter about that... They saw, I think, that the zionists were much like nazis - their words in fact - read the letter - and they saw that the zionists would influenced US policy henceforth...dangerously for both the US and also for the zionists... Looks like their fears were well-founded.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 15 2020 10:14 utc | 295

Posted by: willie | Feb 14 2020 15:54 utc | 275

Welcome in France!
Try to get a copy of "La face cachée du Monde", or some reviews of that book.

The newspaper Le Monde is owned by banks and Jewish oligarchs. It's also on the CIA payroll since before year 1995. It every time supports whatever action of the NATO/USempire. In every presidential election,its favorite candidate was the U.S.'poodle. And they always smeared non-poodle like President Chirac.
During 2002, they tried to campaign for France going alongside Bush against Irak.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 15 2020 12:01 utc | 296

Circe, your comments are the currants in the MoA currant cake. I'm not here every day, but whenever I come I see someone or the other hammering you. So let me balance that. I love reading whatever you have to say. Your passion, intelligence and sincerity are a constant treat.

Posted by: sarz | Feb 15 2020 12:33 utc | 297

circe 294

"Then there is Tulsi or Wang, but they have less experience with Congress and Wang has none and part of a Veeps job is to rally Congress around the President's policy."

It's also telling how the Sanders fans themselves broadcast, maybe in an un-self-aware way, that they themselves think Sanders is a sheep-dog who doesn't want to change anything.

It's a foregone conclusion that "work with Congress" and any non-fake version of the vaunted "Sanders agenda" are mutually exclusive. The whole notion of "How will [this or that "alternative" candidate] work with Congress" is always pushed by establishment defenders, while any alternative who signals their ardent desire to work with congress is telegraphing their intended sell-out of anyone silly enough to believe in their alleged "change" agenda.

That's why I and other skeptics have asked for evidence that Sanders has a prefab executive cadre ready to be plugged right in to aggressively push that agenda through the executive branch, the whole program to be reinforced and defended by an aggressive outside-the-system street movement. That's the minimum of what would be needed.

I haven't been surprised at the lack of answer to this question. Where's the cadre, where's the from-outside pressure group? Just more proof that the Sanders fan club is not a serious political movement and doesn't really want any of these promised reforms, but only the thrill of play-acting.

No one serious would be thinking in terms of actually "working with Congress".

Posted by: Russ | Feb 15 2020 13:17 utc | 298

@Walter #293: karlof1’s VK page is at vk.com/id580896205. You can quickly access it by clicking his name under his comments.

Posted by: S | Feb 15 2020 13:40 utc | 299

sarz @297: Your passion, intelligence and sincerity are a constant treat.

A humorous treat.

Anyone real pro-Bernie supporter "passion, intelligence and sincerity" would be shilling at websites that might bring more voters for Bernie, not propagandizing on a small international relations-focused website.

I written this previously but of course Circe ignored it. Hope they're paying you well Circe!

Oh, and thanks for the latest installment of the Bernie melodrame: AIPAC vs. Bernie. LOL!

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 15 2020 14:27 utc | 300

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