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February 12, 2020
Open Thread 2020-11
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QANON Posted by: James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1 Will Trump feel the same pressure from the endless psyop – Russiagate/Ukrainegate/X – in his second term, as he will be a lame duck? Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2020 14:21 utc | 2 So Bernie won New Hampshire, but the only health care he promises is for the country that is causing all the health problems in the world. To have Bernie as President means the wars, coups, sanctions, assassinations and torture continue. Nothing to get excited about. Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 14:30 utc | 3 @ James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1 Posted by: jiri | Feb 12 2020 14:32 utc | 4 In response to librul, why do you think Trump wishes to stop the War Machine? He is increasing the size of the MIC and following Netanyahu’s orders in the Mideast. A recipe for more war. Posted by: Cartero | Feb 12 2020 14:36 utc | 5 [give] … Trump more freedom of action to reverse the course of the War Machine? Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 14:40 utc | 6 @ 1 James McChumiskey Posted by: SharonM | Feb 12 2020 14:42 utc | 7 So Bernie won New Hampshire, but the only health care he promises is for the country that is causing all the health problems in the world. To have Bernie as President means the wars, coups, sanctions, assassinations and torture continue. Nothing to get excited about. Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 14:48 utc | 8 I think Q is a sop for Trumpers who are desperate to believe. Posted by: paul | Feb 12 2020 14:50 utc | 9 @9 Vig Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:03 utc | 10 QAnon=hope porn for Trump supporters. There’s a video from a little over a year ago by a couple of guys who make some good points about it: Posted by: m | Feb 12 2020 15:04 utc | 11 QANON Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Feb 12 2020 15:13 utc | 12 I come from the U.S.? Is that what you mean? Everything I’ve written here is pretty well known. People in other countries actually are cheering for Bernie Sanders, but he doesn’t give a shit about y’all, just americans. He’ll continue the empire’s wars, no doubt. Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 15:18 utc | 13 Seems like Uncle Sam is making himself popular again during a clash with local militias in Qamishli Posted by: Vato | Feb 12 2020 15:24 utc | 14 @12 Robert Snefjella Posted by: SharonM | Feb 12 2020 15:24 utc | 15 @13 Vig Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:31 utc | 16 @3 Sharon M. Posted by: S.O. | Feb 12 2020 15:34 utc | 17 James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1 Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 12 2020 15:39 utc | 18 What do I know, but I think everyone should read this article when assessing Trump’s actions in Syraq: Posted by: Florin | Feb 12 2020 15:41 utc | 19 President of nowhere Juan Guaido received a rough home coming upon returning from trip to visit the US organized crime syndicate. Starts with a woman confronting him in the airport and goes downhill from there as fights breakout. SVideos in link below; Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 12 2020 15:44 utc | 20 @17 S.O. Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:57 utc | 21 “We know that the progressives will keep their base interested by throwing up over and over again…” –Sharon M @21 Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 12 2020 16:04 utc | 22 Great news!! A cure for the Coronavirus has been found!! Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 12 2020 16:08 utc | 23 Well! There is a rumor out there that Q is probably these guys: Posted by: Jayne | Feb 12 2020 16:17 utc | 24
Newly senile baby boomers and ideological conservatives psy-oping themselves. One of the myriad of mental gymnastics routines used by the conservative crowd to justify the continuation of the Obama presidency under Trump, which itself continued the Bush presidency, which continued the Clinton presidency… and on and on. A replacement for scientific social analysis by the equivalent of numerology and astrology, for people who don’t know what science is and are probably distrustful of it to begin with. A good example: a friend of mine’s dad is really hardcore into it. He’s also a chiropractor. Not a coincidence. There’s a certain type of cognitive style that will latch onto this kind of absurd shit and it’s the duty of the scientifically minded to inoculate people against it. Posted by: fnord | Feb 12 2020 16:28 utc | 25 Qanon is certainly a psyop. The question is whether it’s a wishful thinking deep-state conspiracy theorist sitting in abasement with Cheetos and Dr. Pepper, or a disaffected rogue insider spreading crumbs of critical thinking to the dazed and confused mass of “Americans” who are victims of the greatest psyop in the history of the known universe; propagandized for 90 some years into the cult Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie. Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 12 2020 16:36 utc | 26 Free Julian Assange. Is this a subtle hint from Bojo? We stand watch.
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 16:37 utc | 27 @ 27 likklemore.. and the uk gov’t is full of shite too of course.. i guess they continue to believe people are stupid… Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 17:00 utc | 28 @Posted by: Cartero | Feb 12 2020 14:36 utc | 5 Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2020 17:09 utc | 29 I listened to a part of Buttigig’s speech last night. He is articulate, speaks well, and has a nice voice. He’s also Mr Clean and wears a nice suit. That makes for a very saleable product. He is appealing to the muddled mediocre middle, but Christian fundamentalists will never vote for a man married to another man. They would sooner vote for Putin. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 12 2020 17:23 utc | 30 @ james 29 Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 17:35 utc | 31 @ 31 typo correction: Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 17:41 utc | 32 Brexit. 5 yrs to Irish Unification I thought…, then mmmh to self don’t say that… better, under 15 years? .. Looks like it may be sooner than expected. Posted by: Noirette | Feb 12 2020 17:42 utc | 33 That rat Erdogan has requested NATO via Trump to help him. Looks like that rotten no good for nothing skunk is going all in. Let us see if his grunts can match the battle hardened Syrians. My vote is for the Syrians. Posted by: Taffyboy | Feb 12 2020 17:48 utc | 34 “The civilians are suffering because of provocations in Idlib de-escalation zone by the terrorist groups that use ‘live shield’ against the Syrian government forces. The situation is exacerbated by the arrival of weapons and ammunition in the de-escalation zone via the Syrian-Turkish border, as well as the arrival of Turkish armoured vehicles and troops in the province of Idlib,” the Russian ministry said in a press release. Posted by: Virgile | Feb 12 2020 17:51 utc | 35 The pro-Trump TV news channel One America News Network has produced a 50 minute documentary on Ukrainegate hoax. Half of it is however dedicated to the Maidan sniper massacre of February 2014.
The above page only contains a four minute introduction: OAN’s Jack Posobiec sat down with Michael Caputo to discuss his new special, “One America News Investigates – The Ukraine Hoax: Impeachment, Biden Cash, Mass Murder.” Note, that the video is age restricted by YouTube, meaning that you can only view it if you have registered and logged into your Google account. Commenting on the video is disabled, as is saving it to a playlist or downloading it through some easy to use online service. The reason for this censorship cannot be “community guidelines”. The FCC places far stringent restrictions on what can be broadcast on television during prime time on Saturday evenings. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 12 2020 17:57 utc | 36 QANON is a fraud. See Sessions, now Barr, Bolton, McCain. Frauds. So Q was needed right from thr beginning to divert people fom seing the Trump family business as usless. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2020 18:01 utc | 37 I guess most of these open threads are going to gravitate to electoral politics–tis the season–but before it gets lost I did want to share what I thought was an unusually well written piece on the US leaving Afghanistan. Posted by: J Swift | Feb 12 2020 18:05 utc | 38 Important Economic News Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 12 2020 18:23 utc | 39 Bernie is not there to be president. his “community” job is to dog herd the progressive crowds to vote, as a lesser evil, for the Judeo-Zionist corporate candidate, the donors’ choice, as he did servilely in 2016. ask him any question about foreign policy and you will note, on the spot, where he stands: he approved, as a Senator, the last 3 out of 4 major wars of the US empire. 95% of his domestic promises are undeliverable. we did love Obama, didn´t we? we will adore Bernie! for sure. Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Feb 12 2020 18:23 utc | 40 m | Feb 12 2020 15:04 utc | 11 Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 12 2020 18:42 utc | 41 https://www.georgemjames.com/blog/swiss-neutrality-just-so-much-nonsense-in-history. Rather funny when you link the dots and the facade crumbles. Enjoy! GMJ @ 31 likklemore.. i don’t really understand the uk position.. i think you are right about the disappointment / saunders.. 4 more years of trump is looking likely.. Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 18:45 utc | 43 Congratulations to al-Qaeda on its continued strong showing at the Oscars. You’ve found a home in Hollywood, boys. Posted by: David G | Feb 12 2020 18:52 utc | 44 gottlieb | Feb 12 2020 16:36 utc | 26 Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 12 2020 18:53 utc | 45 Qanon is such garbage. Just look at what nietzshe1510 said about Bernie Sanders… The same crap is being pulled on people that follow Qanon. Its up to you to be the best person that you can be and make a difference in your family, one small group of people at a time, all over the planet. Like a tidal wave of good intentions. Never mind Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard or the media that support them. It is just a fu*kin gimmick. @ david g… it’s all the funding from the uk-usa.. it makes all the difference in hollyworld… Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 19:04 utc | 47 Q = Unit 8200 (or one of its related agencies) to provide domestic cover for T as he vigorously pushes Zionist agenda. Posted by: casey | Feb 12 2020 19:15 utc | 48 @ J Swift | Feb 12 2020 18:05 utc | 38 Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 12 2020 19:21 utc | 49 @26 The Bill Gates Yacht story is bunk. At least if you type Bill Gates Yacht into a search engine. I aint gonna post a link here cuz…… Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2020 19:29 utc | 50 “Bernie is not there to be president. his “community” job is to dog herd the progressive crowds to vote, as a lesser evil, for the Judeo-Zionist corporate candidate, the donors’ choice, as he did servilely in 2016…” nietzsche1510@40 Posted by: bevin | Feb 12 2020 19:48 utc | 51 I hope the bar owner next door fixes his leaky toilet soon, his customers have drifted in to MoA and seem incapable of holding a informed conversation? I saw an arm patch that said. affiliated propaganda agencies. Posted by: snake | Feb 12 2020 19:55 utc | 52 @b Posted by: Bruce | Feb 12 2020 19:56 utc | 53 Yes, turkey has been helping izzyhell to stolen oil for a very very long time. Remember Erdogan’s son and the conveys of oil trucks? A very nasty viper is Erdogan. Does anyone else think he just set up Putie big time??? I’m referring to taffyboy’s link at #34… syria and libya too. Pompeous must be dancing on his desk. Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 12 2020 20:03 utc | 54 @1 Posted by: Joe | Feb 12 2020 20:05 utc | 55 @1 “QUANON” Posted by: wyo | Feb 12 2020 20:14 utc | 56 Bernie is the best hope to end Endless Wars if he can bring about national healthcare, similar to other nations. Such nations can barely afford wars – as with Canada and the EU. Britain may end up with an army smaller than the NYC Police force. Posted by: CHRIS ZELL | Feb 12 2020 20:19 utc | 57 Hmmm . . . the New Hampshire Secretary of State announced in December that Amazon Web Services would be offering New Hampshire residents an app: https://sos.nh.gov/SoSPressRel.aspx How much access does AWS get to New Hampshire’s internal systems? Posted by: Zee | Feb 12 2020 20:20 utc | 58 World stock markets hit a new record
The discussion about Qanon was enlightening. I voted for Trump but gave up on him after Seymour Hersh’s article about the first Syria strikes was published in Germany(because, apparently, no U.S publisher wanted to touch it) I find myself drifting slowly back to the leftism of my youth since then. As for Bernie, his former comrade Michael Parenti implied in 2015 that Bernie is afraid of the National Security State crowd, and I think that makes sense. Bernie won’t fight the Empire, which makes his domestic promises basically useless, regardless of his motives. Honestly, I think he mostly is in this for the campaign contributions, but who knows? He’s a lot less relevant than a lot of people are willing to admit. The empire seems to be running out of steam on its own as far as I can see, as de-dollarization continues to gain momentum, particularly in Asia. Events in Iraq and places like the Philippines should be more interesting watch than this boring election Posted by: HarryOrd | Feb 12 2020 20:38 utc | 60 HarryOrd | Feb 12 2020 20:38 utc | 60 Posted by: Jayne | Feb 12 2020 20:49 utc | 61 Look like Erdo get even more from US for scalation.. Posted by: ARN | Feb 12 2020 20:56 utc | 62 QAnon is nonsense. Posted by: c1ue | Feb 12 2020 21:04 utc | 63 @60-61 Posted by: fnord | Feb 12 2020 21:08 utc | 64 fnord: Posted by: HarryOrd | Feb 12 2020 21:15 utc | 65 what is with zerohedge anyway? they just seem to regurgitate the msm headlines… sounds like the definition of sheepdog… Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 21:19 utc | 66 Jayne @61, Posted by: arby | Feb 12 2020 21:22 utc | 67 fnord @64, HarryOrd @65 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 12 2020 21:30 utc | 68 Leashing Trump. Senate and the House attempting to recover what they gave away with the AUMF – the War Powers Act
Should Trump veto, there is the other bill on the funding issue. Congress’ power of the purse… refusing to fund deployment. Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 21:30 utc | 69 Posted by: arby | Feb 12 2020 21:22 utc | 67 Posted by: Jayne | Feb 12 2020 21:38 utc | 70 @ james 43
And then, they came for me. Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 21:54 utc | 72 Buttigieg stepped into a doggie pile and is getting rightfully deserved flak for deceptive comments he made meant to diss and undermine Bernie’s medicare-for-all.
flight-attendants-union-head-blasts-buttigieg Posted by: Circe | Feb 12 2020 21:59 utc | 73 what is with zerohedge anyway? they just seem to regurgitate the msm headlines… sounds like the definition of sheepdog… Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 12 2020 22:13 utc | 74 Circe. More like paper bags with $ got Union Leaders to do the deed. You realize it speaks really loudly as to the intelligence of union members in Nevada, that they would believe that a so called socialist would do this. Mind you I guess if the info comes from a ‘Trusted’ source might do the trick. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2020 22:20 utc | 75 Now here’s a guy that saw the future of corporate power, and how we should deal with them… Posted by: ben | Feb 12 2020 22:33 utc | 76 Now here is a good piece on Trump gangsterism by Gordon Duff. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2020 22:34 utc | 77 Israel lashes out at UNHRC after LIST of companies doing business in occupied Palestine is finally released Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 12 2020 22:39 utc | 78 … you will note, on the spot, where he stands: he approved, as a Senator, the last 3 out of 4 major wars of the US empire. … Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 22:39 utc | 79 james #66
ZH has sheep shit for brains and is obedient to the msm just like a dog. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2020 22:39 utc | 80 Thanks for the link ut @ 77; An excerpt; Posted by: ben | Feb 12 2020 22:41 utc | 81 Zero Hedge routinely reprints the rotten garbage that the Gatestone Institute spouts, a source of vile hate deeply connected to Israel. Posted by: Lurk | Feb 12 2020 23:11 utc | 82 “Posted by: arby | Feb 12 2020 21:22 utc | 67 : The US is the only advanced country that does not have single payer health care. I can’t believe that it is too baffling a hurdle to figure how to do it.” Posted by: RJPJR | Feb 12 2020 23:19 utc | 83 @ Posted by: RJPJR | Feb 12 2020 23:19 utc | 83 Posted by: AshenLight | Feb 12 2020 23:22 utc | 84 Ran across this quote which is more true than not. Posted by: Pft | Feb 12 2020 23:28 utc | 85 James @ 66: Posted by: Jen | Feb 12 2020 23:37 utc | 86 The T.I.N.A worshipers that seems to believe the politicians can or will make a difference makes me want to cry, the cognitive dissonans must be a burden on their souls and in their lives. Posted by: Per/Norway | Feb 12 2020 23:45 utc | 87 My bet is that Qanon is simply Steve Bannon. Both have/had the same fake discourse and the same targets. Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 12 2020 23:47 utc | 88 AntiSpin @ 39. A couple of very good articles. Posted by: financial matters | Feb 12 2020 23:56 utc | 89 Last year I was so mad at USA bulling Huawei and ZTE, decided to buy a Huawei Honor View V20 PCT-L29 Smartphone. Global version on T-Mobile network. Still fumbling at the setting. This smartphone installed GPS and BeiDou (BDS). I never used Google searches but instead DuckDuckGo long ago Posted by: JC | Feb 13 2020 0:11 utc | 90 @Parisian Guy #88 Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2020 0:24 utc | 91 Latest Battle for Idlib Could Send Another Wave of Refugees to Europe Posted by: Virgile | Feb 13 2020 0:26 utc | 92 Per/Norway #87
Ah yes the passionate plea for futility. There are alternatives Per/Norway and they repeatedly manifest and usually involve the slaughter of innocents and maybe a few guilty. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 13 2020 0:37 utc | 93 I don’t know if it had some airplay already,but in an article from february first in the Figaro,it shows how the american foreign office has handed out written recommendations for its allies to accept the ME Peace Plan and at the end of the letter four phrases are given to be repeated by the others’s nations leaders and spokesmen.If you don’t read french there is an image of the phrases in trumpian.The first reads:We thank President Trump for his efforts to make progress on this longstanding conflict.In the three others the word “The Vision” stands out. Posted by: willie | Feb 13 2020 0:48 utc | 94 McCluskey @1: Posted by: Penelope | Feb 13 2020 1:10 utc | 95 Penelope #95 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 13 2020 1:23 utc | 96 b. What is it about your site that you invite such mediocre comments? I have thought about this a great deal. Posted by: Lochearn | Feb 13 2020 1:24 utc | 97 Taffyboy @ 34: Posted by: Penelope | Feb 13 2020 1:36 utc | 98 (I have not caught up with all the comments here yet but decided to post this because I’m taking to long and want to post it “today” rather than risk not posting it at all). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2020 1:45 utc | 99 @ thanks for the feedback on zerohedge – uncle t, lurk, bubbles,and jen…. i never read the site.. when people link to it i am always a bit baffled.. why link to it? thanks for confirmation on my impression of the site.. Posted by: james | Feb 13 2020 2:20 utc | 100 |
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