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February 12, 2020

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Posted by b on February 12, 2020 at 13:55 UTC | Permalink

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Does anyone have any thoughts ideas on the QANON phenomenon. I have swayed between outright scepticism and then hope that it might be true - that some former high-ranking US military personnel have hatched a plan and co-opted Trump, to drain the swamp, truth about 9-11 and prosecute all those involved, deal with Israel, End the Fed and restore proper money etc.
Is it true? Or is it absolute bullshit and if so why?

Posted by: James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1

Will Trump feel the same pressure from the endless psyop - Russiagate/Ukrainegate/X - in his second term, as he will be a lame duck?

If John Durham comes through (not likely) and eviscerates John Brennan, James Clapper, etal, will that effectively bring an end to the aforementioned psyop, thus giving Trump more freedom of action to reverse the course of the War Machine?

Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2020 14:21 utc | 2

So Bernie won New Hampshire, but the only health care he promises is for the country that is causing all the health problems in the world. To have Bernie as President means the wars, coups, sanctions, assassinations and torture continue. Nothing to get excited about.

Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 14:30 utc | 3

@ James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1

My view is that it is a psy-op to keep the faithful in line and stop them from losing hope- until the next election is completed.

Once Trump is re-elected Q will likely fade away as it will not be needed as much.

Posted by: jiri | Feb 12 2020 14:32 utc | 4

In response to librul, why do you think Trump wishes to stop the War Machine? He is increasing the size of the MIC and following Netanyahu's orders in the Mideast. A recipe for more war.

Posted by: Cartero | Feb 12 2020 14:36 utc | 5

[give] ... Trump more freedom of action to reverse the course of the War Machine?
Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2020 14:21 utc | 2

Sad, isn't it. Trump the victim?

Seriously: Forget Russiagate. Trump didn't invent it. It simply came his way.


Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 14:40 utc | 6

@ 1 James McChumiskey

QANON exists for people like you who would watch everything Trump has done-- bombings, coups, assassinations, etc.-- and still are confused.

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 12 2020 14:42 utc | 7

So Bernie won New Hampshire, but the only health care he promises is for the country that is causing all the health problems in the world. To have Bernie as President means the wars, coups, sanctions, assassinations and torture continue. Nothing to get excited about.
Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 14:30 utc | 3

@ 1 James McChumiskey
QANON exists for people like you who would watch everything Trump has done-- bombings, coups, assassinations, etc.-- and still are confused.
Posted by: SharonM | Feb 12 2020 14:42 utc | 7

Interesting help me to wrap my head around where you are coming from. Will you? Foreigner, see?

Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 14:48 utc | 8

I think Q is a sop for Trumpers who are desperate to believe.

Posted by: paul | Feb 12 2020 14:50 utc | 9

@9 Vig

I come from the U.S.? Is that what you mean? Everything I've written here is pretty well known. People in other countries actually are cheering for Bernie Sanders, but he doesn't give a shit about y'all, just americans. He'll continue the empire's wars, no doubt.
And Qanon is ridiculous. It's for Trump's faith-based fans. Faith, afterall, is just the cessation of critical thought;)

Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:03 utc | 10

QAnon=hope porn for Trump supporters. There's a video from a little over a year ago by a couple of guys who make some good points about it:
Regardless of what one might think of the presenters, they have done their homework.

Posted by: m | Feb 12 2020 15:04 utc | 11


Is it true? Or is it absolute bullshit and if so why?

Posted by: James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1

James, from my perspective Qanon's impact is far greater and more beneficial than indicated by the disparaging remarks that followed your question.

To be clear, I haven't paid a lot of attention to it, but have paid enough attention to understand that many tens of thousands of people have 'entered' and benefited from the QAnon 'school'.

Now this is not to pretend to know what the actual results will be or even what the actual intentions of Qanon are.

People who might be more or less in the process of waking up to, say, that we live in a kind of upside down world, have been given very many clues and crumbs to follow, to research. The process of waking up is a lifetime process, but it helps to begin at some point, to no longer just doze away through life.

Qanon begins with the observation that whereas pathological criminality on high gained power, became dominant over the vast majority of people, most people are more or less salt of the earth decent folks in their intentions.

But to 'unbrainwash' the brainwashed previously asleep requires a process of education. The Qanon process is somewhat reminiscent of a Socratic dialogue, whereby cryptic questions are posed, hints are given, but in the end, the spur is to 'go down the rabbit holes' and discover what's really going on.

Qanon suggests that the NSA and military include patriots who are trying to finesse a nonviolent transition away from the criminal pathology that has led the US to become an international vast organized crime organization, and purveyor of boundless atrocities.

Trump then is to be understood as a flawed but handy and workable temporary leadership means by which the system of tyranny can be decisively undermined.

Again, I'm not writing this as a fan of either Trump or Qanon, but am trying to answer your question beyond a reflexive jeer that appears common currency among the 'enlightened'.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Feb 12 2020 15:13 utc | 12

I come from the U.S.? Is that what you mean? Everything I've written here is pretty well known. People in other countries actually are cheering for Bernie Sanders, but he doesn't give a shit about y'all, just americans. He'll continue the empire's wars, no doubt.
And Qanon is ridiculous. It's for Trump's faith-based fans. Faith, afterall, is just the cessation of critical thought;)
Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:03 utc | 10

Why should Bernie in a US election give a shit about us non US citizens?

Concerning Qanon, Bannon, David Horwitz and arbitarily his FrontPage et al, I seriously wish you the best.

Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 15:18 utc | 13

Seems like Uncle Sam is making himself popular again during a clash with local militias in Qamishli

Posted by: Vato | Feb 12 2020 15:24 utc | 14

@12 Robert Snefjella

lol 'waking up', 'rabbit hole', 'brainwashed'--I bet you say 'problem-reaction-solution', and 'left/right is a false dichotomy', correct? :D You were created in the Alex Jones/David Icke laboratory. Trump was right about his fans still loving him even if he killed someone on the street in broad daylight.

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 12 2020 15:24 utc | 15

@13 Vig

"Why should Bernie in a US election give a shit about us non US citizens?"

What a ridiculous thing to say. The U.S. has been responsible for the murder, crippling, torture, and displacement of tens of millions of human beings around the world just this century, but you're asking why a presidential candidate should give a shit about people other than americans? Go back to bed, Dick Cheney.

Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:31 utc | 16

@3 Sharon M.

So what's the byline?

You know there's gonna be one. Bernie was projected to win New Hampshire... BUT!!

He performed worse than expected? He only scraped by? Remarkable catch up by DNC'inc cookie cutter X?

Projection grows for Plastic Puppet?

Unexpected gains for team wall street?

Posted by: S.O. | Feb 12 2020 15:34 utc | 17

James McCumiskey | Feb 12 2020 13:59 utc | 1

FBI limited hangout, pro Trump, co opted by the Mossad (Black Cube Int. psy. ops department)

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 12 2020 15:39 utc | 18

What do I know, but I think everyone should read this article when assessing Trump's actions in Syraq:

Posted by: Florin | Feb 12 2020 15:41 utc | 19

President of nowhere Juan Guaido received a rough home coming upon returning from trip to visit the US organized crime syndicate. Starts with a woman confronting him in the airport and goes downhill from there as fights breakout. SVideos in link below;

He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 12 2020 15:44 utc | 20

@17 S.O.

We know that the progressives will keep their base interested by throwing up over and over again about how TV and newspapers are sooo mean to Bernie. Of course it is sick irony that the perpetrators of every crime conceivable may get less expensive healthcare, so that the perpetrators can, you know, continue to not give a shit about anyone else in the world for longer.

Posted by: Sharon M | Feb 12 2020 15:57 utc | 21

"We know that the progressives will keep their base interested by throwing up over and over again..." --Sharon M @21

You could have left it at that and been accurate if you were referring to Team Blue faux progressives. Those folks really like exaggerated displays of indignation.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 12 2020 16:04 utc | 22

Great news!! A cure for the Coronavirus has been found!!

India's Leaders Claim Drinking Cow Urine Will Cure Covid-19

Actually, the cure can also be found by eating cow dung, as well as drinking cow piss!!

May eventually come to be known as the "(drink piss and) eat shit and die" cure . . . .

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 12 2020 16:08 utc | 23

Well! There is a rumor out there that Q is probably these guys:

h/t: - I have an eclectic range on what I read... some I agree with ... some I don't... but things are getting so weird I 'don't throw the baby out with the bathwater'...

Interesting Bill Maher' take on Bannon... although coming across as 'the pot calling the kettle black...'

Also, interesting to note what issues Q never seems to touch.

Posted by: Jayne | Feb 12 2020 16:17 utc | 24

Does anyone have any thoughts ideas on the QANON phenomenon

Newly senile baby boomers and ideological conservatives psy-oping themselves. One of the myriad of mental gymnastics routines used by the conservative crowd to justify the continuation of the Obama presidency under Trump, which itself continued the Bush presidency, which continued the Clinton presidency... and on and on. A replacement for scientific social analysis by the equivalent of numerology and astrology, for people who don't know what science is and are probably distrustful of it to begin with. A good example: a friend of mine's dad is really hardcore into it. He's also a chiropractor. Not a coincidence. There's a certain type of cognitive style that will latch onto this kind of absurd shit and it's the duty of the scientifically minded to inoculate people against it.

Posted by: fnord | Feb 12 2020 16:28 utc | 25

Qanon is certainly a psyop. The question is whether it's a wishful thinking deep-state conspiracy theorist sitting in abasement with Cheetos and Dr. Pepper, or a disaffected rogue insider spreading crumbs of critical thinking to the dazed and confused mass of “Americans” who are victims of the greatest psyop in the history of the known universe; propagandized for 90 some years into the cult Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie.

Whatever Qanon is it has allowed white nationalist fascists to believe they are freedom fighters on a grand quest to cleanse a swamp of corruption that is the true treason of the “American Dream.”

The United States is two-party political monopoly, the two sides serving the same coin of 'the money power.' There is no more useful idiot than the raging stable genius who believes belligerence is wisdom, and money is love.

The United States is coming to a three-pronged fork in the road:
1. Collapse
2. Totalitarianism
3. Revolution

The billionaires are preparing for collapse and turning to off-world escape. Bill Gates just ordered a ½ billion dollar hydrogen powered mega-yacht to ride it out in Waterworld.

Let those with ears hear.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 12 2020 16:36 utc | 26

Free Julian Assange. Is this a subtle hint from Bojo? We stand watch.

Jeremy Corbyn Asks the Prime Minister If He Agrees Julian Assange's Extradition Must Be Opposed

Leader of the UK opposition Jeremy Corbyn challenged Boris Johnson as to whether he agrees with a resolution by the Council of Europe's Parliamentary Assembly that WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange should not be extradited to the US.

“This deep disparity with the US is about to be laid bare when the courts decide whether the WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange will be extradited to the US on charges of espionage for exposing of war crimes, the murder of civilians and large scale corruption". Corbyn said.

Corbyn went on to ask Johnson about whether he agreed with a report from the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe which stated "that the extradition should be opposed and the rights of journalists and whistleblowers upheld for the good of all of us".

Johnson refused to comment on Assange's case, but noted that it is "obvious" that the rights of journalists and whistleblowers should be upheld, adding that the government "will continue to do that”.

[my emphasis]

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 16:37 utc | 27

@ 27 likklemore.. and the uk gov't is full of shite too of course.. i guess they continue to believe people are stupid...

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 17:00 utc | 28

@Posted by: Cartero | Feb 12 2020 14:36 utc | 5

We may never know what Trump's first term would have looked like had he not been under attack. Trump advisors have been smeared, indicted, forced to recuse themselves...He was constantly attacked and pressured by the intelligence services, the MSM and Democrats. The level of McCarthyism has exploded to hysterical levels. Dangling in the wind Trump found support where he could and that was an opening to the most unsavory of forces. Feeding of the War Machine is a *consequence* of the psy-op.

My expectations for his second term are probably close to yours, I am not optimistic either. But the circumstances under which Trump operates could change as I related @2 and that is why I raised the question.

Posted by: librul | Feb 12 2020 17:09 utc | 29

I listened to a part of Buttigig's speech last night. He is articulate, speaks well, and has a nice voice. He's also Mr Clean and wears a nice suit. That makes for a very saleable product. He is appealing to the muddled mediocre middle, but Christian fundamentalists will never vote for a man married to another man. They would sooner vote for Putin.

I also heard part of Bernie's speech. Lots of promises of Free Stuff for Everyone! Joe and Jane Sixpack know that nobody gets free stuff unless they are rich. Not a single word from Bernie about putting the Empire up for sale and closing 800 military bases around the world.

Bernie could maybe convince Joe and Jane if he pointed out that the trillion dollars a year we are already paying to prop up the Empire would buy a lot of Free Stuff that we all need, like basic infrastructure and real healthcare (medical insurance is not accurate diagnosis and effective treatment, but nobody wants to talk about that). But he will never call for all troops to return home immediately, since endless war is supported by nearly everyone in DC.

Class unconscious Joe and Jane have only luke-warm support for "soaking the rich" because they still want to hope that someday they will win Megabucks and have riches to pass on to their offspring. Fifty years of slow decline should be enough to break through delusions of MAGA, but for now the consent manufacturing machine still has the upper hand.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 12 2020 17:23 utc | 30

@ james 29

UK will ignore the Council of Europe,,there is that special vassal relationship to be maintained at all costs and Bojo needs a trade deal.
As for Trump, he is hog tied. During the 2016 campaign he praised Wikileaks. Wiki contributed to his 2016 win and he is in for another 4 years.

Those hoping for Sanders will be disappointed. There are head winds in his path to the nomination. The real winner of the NH primary was Amy Klobucher.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 17:35 utc | 31

@ 31 typo correction:
should be Amy klobuchar; btw she came in above expectations ahead of Warren the next door favourite daughter. And Sanders, the next door favourite son, just barely edged out Butti.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 17:41 utc | 32

Brexit. 5 yrs to Irish Unification I thought..., then mmmh to self don’t say that… better, under 15 years? .. Looks like it may be sooner than expected.

Imho that Sinn Fein would do super well (link) in the elections was a given, but Rep. of Ire. politics have been so cludgy, stuck in a conventional morass (corruption also) for so many decades the centrists parties did not expect change (or pretended to be surprised.)

Some MSM ed-op commentary attributed the Sinn Fein ‘rise /win’ to difficulties with housing etc. for young ppl (equating with Corbyn) for sure this played a role. Some tried to spin the populism has hit Ireland Yikes meme. The media ptb seem not to grasp that times are changing, despite the obvious v. serious upheaval of Brexit.

Varadkar previous on the Unification question, his attitude imho was ‘meh’, let’s not say anything definitive and be cautious etc. The centrist power ‘core’ was fine with the stasis up in NI.

Brexit showed that GB ignored NI, knew little about it, and cared less ( > they won’t mind giving it up and may even be relieved. Ask Bojo.) The very appellation Brexit was telling, NI is not included.

At present NI gets fiscal transfers from the UK. E.g. link. (Just an ex, didn’t read.) The rough nitty-gritty, over last 20 years, is transfer of around 5K pounds, maybe more, not less, p person p annum to NI citzs. Sum is distributed for a large part via Gvmt. jobs.

The EU supports NI with devp. funds etc. as an underprivileged region (link). The sums, impact, overall, idk.

When Ireland unifies it will have to take on the financial burden, and the integration. — > Which Sinn Fein is willing to fight for, do? Big qu.

10 poorest regions in EU according to one report. (Due to inequality.)

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 12 2020 17:42 utc | 33

That rat Erdogan has requested NATO via Trump to help him. Looks like that rotten no good for nothing skunk is going all in. Let us see if his grunts can match the battle hardened Syrians. My vote is for the Syrians.

Posted by: Taffyboy | Feb 12 2020 17:48 utc | 34

"The civilians are suffering because of provocations in Idlib de-escalation zone by the terrorist groups that use 'live shield' against the Syrian government forces. The situation is exacerbated by the arrival of weapons and ammunition in the de-escalation zone via the Syrian-Turkish border, as well as the arrival of Turkish armoured vehicles and troops in the province of Idlib," the Russian ministry said in a press release.

"The real reason of the crisis in Idlib de-escalation zone is, unfortunately, the failure of our Turkish colleagues to adhere to their commitments on separating moderate opposition fighters from terrorists of Jabhat Nusra (banned in Russia) and Hurras ad-Din (linked to Al Qaeda, which is banned in Russia)," the press release read.

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 12 2020 17:51 utc | 35

The pro-Trump TV news channel One America News Network has produced a 50 minute documentary on Ukrainegate hoax. Half of it is however dedicated to the Maidan sniper massacre of February 2014.

‘The Ukraine Hoax: Impeachment, Biden Cash, Mass Murder’ Debuting This Weekend On OAN

In the documentary, Caputo exposes the cover-up that led to the impeachment of President Donald Trump and mass murder. The Democrats’ crusade to kick our duly elected president out of office didn’t start with a phone call. It began with Ukrainian corruption, election meddling and a bloody coup that cleared a path for Hunter Biden to get rich.

Tune in this weekend, Saturday and Sunday at 10PM EST / 7PM PST – only on One America News!

The above page only contains a four minute introduction: OAN’s Jack Posobiec sat down with Michael Caputo to discuss his new special, “One America News Investigates – The Ukraine Hoax: Impeachment, Biden Cash, Mass Murder.”

I have not been able to find the original English language version online. I only found a version dubbed in Russian via Colonel Cassad.

Украинский обман One America News

Note, that the video is age restricted by YouTube, meaning that you can only view it if you have registered and logged into your Google account. Commenting on the video is disabled, as is saving it to a playlist or downloading it through some easy to use online service. The reason for this censorship cannot be "community guidelines". The FCC places far stringent restrictions on what can be broadcast on television during prime time on Saturday evenings.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 12 2020 17:57 utc | 36

QANON is a fraud. See Sessions, now Barr, Bolton, McCain. Frauds. So Q was needed right from thr beginning to divert people fom seing the Trump family business as usless.

The Trump WONT go after the greatest breaches of USA national security - Hillary and the unsecured email at her home cupboard or the Awan family spy/blackmail racket in the Dem congress members. QANON is cover for Trump family inaction.

QANON is useless for most but is a reference for those bloggers and YouTube commentators to fool people into thinkingthey are 'in the know', have deep information when all they have is tripe and hot air. So QANON is useful to fool fools, dupe dopes, and elevate the liar in chief.

How can it be that after three years as president Trump had Vinman and Ciaramela STILL on the NSC staff advising the White House? Then Bolton appointed was extreme blunder and then he betrayed Trump. QANON blows smoke over Trump family lightweights while they pick pocket the audience.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2020 18:01 utc | 37

I guess most of these open threads are going to gravitate to electoral politics--tis the season--but before it gets lost I did want to share what I thought was an unusually well written piece on the US leaving Afghanistan.

The author doesn't just go on a diatribe of criticism of the US, although obviously he feels the US needs to be leaving--the sooner the better, and likely will eventually be leaving whether it wants to or not. But he points out several "tells" related to just how serious the US might be any time it starts talking about leaving, or indeed starts leaving. I would highly recommend reading this article. Really thought provoking.

Posted by: J Swift | Feb 12 2020 18:05 utc | 38

Important Economic News

The Scale of the Fed's "repo" Market Manipulation is Truly Breathtaking and Threatens to Destabilize Global Economy
Mike Whitney 1/30/20
Mexico Is Showing the World How to Defeat Neoliberalism
by Ellen Brown | February 9, 2020
Thousands of public banks are beginning to open all over Mexico.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 12 2020 18:23 utc | 39

Bernie is not there to be president. his "community" job is to dog herd the progressive crowds to vote, as a lesser evil, for the Judeo-Zionist corporate candidate, the donors' choice, as he did servilely in 2016. ask him any question about foreign policy and you will note, on the spot, where he stands: he approved, as a Senator, the last 3 out of 4 major wars of the US empire. 95% of his domestic promises are undeliverable. we did love Obama, didn´t we? we will adore Bernie! for sure.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Feb 12 2020 18:23 utc | 40

m | Feb 12 2020 15:04 utc | 11

Insightful. I watched it.
Uhm.. What's that in the presentation screen?
Is it some mockery of some type of cryptic military insignia?
Are there green trolls anywhere in US mil badges, or even British?
See? Everyone can be a Qannon.
For some reason it reminds me of LockheeD Martin projects. Way over budget and some guy in Iraq knocking some hammer on an iron cast pipe could make it fail its operations.
Similar stuff with the qannon operation. Likely like the M.I 5 wwii war effort, trying to feed code in the Touring machine, to crack Nazi Enigma. A human chain of data feeders working along side another chain of content producers on the social media, working for Trumps deep state and operated by the Mossad. I believe it's partly developed by British in it's early stages. It has the familiar smell of a rat...

Robert Snefjella | Feb 12 2020 15:13 utc | 12

I believe it is an extortion among other things. They are not really targeting other agencies possibly but key active / retired individuals inside them that hold the keys to the kingdom and they won't hand it over to the Mossed, British or the Saudis to launch the Yinon project dissing the US. Then you have fools like Putin that were propelled internationaly exactly with similar sensationalist campaigns, believing he will get a piece of the pie after US gets sidelined. Can he see the writing on the wall? He will be in a war with Turkey and after that invaded by NATO.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 12 2020 18:42 utc | 41 Rather funny when you link the dots and the facade crumbles. Enjoy! GMJ

Posted by: GMJ | Feb 12 2020 18:44 utc | 42

@ 31 likklemore.. i don't really understand the uk position.. i think you are right about the disappointment / saunders.. 4 more years of trump is looking likely..

@ 33 noirette.. that is poorest and richest in northern europe - not all of europe.. thanks for your comments in northern ireland..seems like the brits have worked hard to fuck it up for ireland for a very long time.. hopefully some of this changes..

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 18:45 utc | 43

Congratulations to al-Qaeda on its continued strong showing at the Oscars. You’ve found a home in Hollywood, boys.

2019: For Sama (Best Documentary Feature - nominated)

2017: Last Men in Aleppo (Best Documentary Feature - nominated)

2016: The White Helmets (Best Documentary Short - won)

Posted by: David G | Feb 12 2020 18:52 utc | 44

gottlieb | Feb 12 2020 16:36 utc | 26

I just imagined him sitting all alone in his ship shouting in to some cortana terminal "Beam me up Scotty"!

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 12 2020 18:53 utc | 45

Qanon is such garbage. Just look at what nietzshe1510 said about Bernie Sanders... The same crap is being pulled on people that follow Qanon. Its up to you to be the best person that you can be and make a difference in your family, one small group of people at a time, all over the planet. Like a tidal wave of good intentions. Never mind Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard or the media that support them. It is just a fu*kin gimmick.

Posted by: Rem | Feb 12 2020 19:02 utc | 46

@ david g... it's all the funding from the uk-usa.. it makes all the difference in hollyworld...

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 19:04 utc | 47

Q = Unit 8200 (or one of its related agencies) to provide domestic cover for T as he vigorously pushes Zionist agenda.

Posted by: casey | Feb 12 2020 19:15 utc | 48

@ J Swift | Feb 12 2020 18:05 utc | 38

Thanks much for this link --

A very hard-hitting exposé of the US combination of criminality and blundering in Afghanistan, and what seems to be a comprehensive and completely rational plan for getting out of that country under the best possible terms for the people of that country, and for the people of the US.

Not so good for the US military and civilian satraps who are tearing things up, and raking it in.


Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 12 2020 19:21 utc | 49

@26 The Bill Gates Yacht story is bunk. At least if you type Bill Gates Yacht into a search engine. I aint gonna post a link here cuz......
Kinda agree w the rest of post. I think it will be sanders as 46 as who better when they tank the economy than a self described socialist. It will be years before socialism for the people shows its face in Murica again Alla the NDP in Canada under Rae.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2020 19:29 utc | 50

"Bernie is not there to be president. his "community" job is to dog herd the progressive crowds to vote, as a lesser evil, for the Judeo-Zionist corporate candidate, the donors' choice, as he did servilely in 2016..." nietzsche1510@40

The problem with this argument is that it lacks any grounding in reason and political logic. As 2016 figures showed and as current polling of Bernie supporters indicates far from herding together voters who would not have voted Democrat without his guidance (which is what a sheepdog candidate would do) he is actually working very hard to alienate voters who, in the past, have always ended up supporting the Democrats' (corporate shill of) choice, from their automatic, 'lesser evil' resignation to the Clinton, Kerry, Gore or Obama on offer.
What is quite obvious is that Sanders is breaking up the corporate vice on the traditional Democratic vote and urging voters to choose options in line with their actual social and economic interests. And it is working.

It is all very well for nietszche1510 to assert that Sanders is working hand in glove with the corporate democrats but all the evidence is that the DNC spends its energies not assisting its 'sheepdog' but attempting to cripple him before he is even started on his work.
Now for your information a real sheepdog candidate-and we have seen plenty of them- after making lots of noise about radical policies and enthusing lots of dumb and naive people goes into a Convention, armed with hundreds of delegates and buys himself his reward. Knowing that he is coming the corporate leadership is ready to make a show of reconciliation, says that it has taken the views and aspirations of his supporters into account, puts a couple of token, watered down compromises into the platform and finds him and his friends prestigious but empty jobs.
That is what those who called Bernie a 'sheepdog' in 2016 were expecting would happen. But it didn't-Sanders kept his promise to ask his supporters to support the Convention choice but then, essentially, he disappeared from the election. As to his supporters, most went home angry at Hillary, many refused to vote for her in November (it shows on the election numbers) and quite a few supported Trump as the lesser evil.
As to Foreign Policy matters- US foreign policy is hardwired into the current system of government. This has been the case since 1948, at latest. The only way that Foreign Policy can be changed is by people consciously disassociating themselves from the scam that the US is constantly in danger of invasion-that unless trillions of dollars are poured into arms production, proxy armies around the globe and the prostitution of both media and the academy- people will lose their jobs, the standard of living will fall and the USA will be invaded by envious, rapacious outsiders.
What Sanders is doing is outlining to the electorate what they could get if they directed their taxes and their incomes towards obtaining it. This includes such simple and easy to understand reforms as free tuition, a moratorium of student debt and medicare for all. If the voters signify that they support such policies then the question of how to divide up the national 'cake'will, logically, arise. And some will argue that assisting Israel's massacres of Palestinians is a higher priority than lowering the infant mortality rate to slightly better than Third World standards. Others will beg to differ.
Some will argue-as Bernie's Primary opponents are doing- that having wasted trillions in Afghanistan over 20 years the US should go for the record and try for a new 30 year War or maybe even a 100 years, as did the English in France. Others will think that ending the war and diverting the resources there wasted into almost any other uses would be preferable.
All Bernie says is the people must take the decisions and that they should do so in the light of the reality that the only threat to the American people comes from the billionaires who feed off them like vampire bats.
And he has been saying these things since about 1960. That may not earn anyone's respect but it ought to make those who consider him corrupt to ask themselves why he has waited so long to sell out. And what he has ever got for doing so. Had he really been corrupt in the traditional American politician's manner he would be a lot richer. And he would be a lot less feared by the people who are all our enemies-the billionaires and their agents working every day to cheat him and defeat him.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 12 2020 19:48 utc | 51

I hope the bar owner next door fixes his leaky toilet soon, his customers have drifted in to MoA and seem incapable of holding a informed conversation? I saw an arm patch that said. affiliated propaganda agencies.

Posted by: snake | Feb 12 2020 19:55 utc | 52


"Meanwhile, Turkish suppliers complained about difficulties sending tomatoes to Russia, said Ahmet Hamdi Gyrdogan, head of the Union of East Black Sea Exporters.

This is notable, since one of the sanctions Russia imposed on Turkey over the downing of the Russian Su-24 back in 2015, was related to tomatoes and they’re a big part of Ankara-Moscow agricultural trade.

“We are ready to supply our products to Russia instead of the Chinese, which it has now abandoned because of the coronavirus. However, unfortunately, our historical friendship with Russia due to events in Syria, and especially in Idlib, is under great pressure, relations are deteriorating. Now we can’t send tomatoes to Russia: they say that the quota has ended. <…> I hope that the leadership of Russia and Turkey will be able to act on the basis of common sense,” a source of RIA said.

According to him, exporters requested an additional quota from the Russian side, but so far no answer has been received, and the delivered goods are being returned back."

Precisely as you predicted. Better tomatoes than bodies. My hat is off to you and to VVP.

Posted by: Bruce | Feb 12 2020 19:56 utc | 53

Yes, turkey has been helping izzyhell to stolen oil for a very very long time. Remember Erdogan's son and the conveys of oil trucks? A very nasty viper is Erdogan. Does anyone else think he just set up Putie big time??? I'm referring to taffyboy's link at #34... syria and libya too. Pompeous must be dancing on his desk.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 12 2020 20:03 utc | 54

Article about QAnon in Harper's Magazine. Takeaway seemed to be Qanon was conspiracy author building readership base for profit.

Posted by: Joe | Feb 12 2020 20:05 utc | 55

Sounds like a fantasy from a Robert Heinlein novel; try "The Puppet Masters", or "Revolt in 2100". He also was a military officer, until he got invalided out.

Posted by: wyo | Feb 12 2020 20:14 utc | 56

Bernie is the best hope to end Endless Wars if he can bring about national healthcare, similar to other nations. Such nations can barely afford wars - as with Canada and the EU. Britain may end up with an army smaller than the NYC Police force.

While this sounds indirect, it may be the only way to stop crazy warmongering by the US. Anyone who openly opposes such insanity ends up condemned by the mainstream media ( like Tulsi). On this issue, Buttigieg is breathtakingly dishonest. If you like war, vote for the Deep State candidate.

Posted by: CHRIS ZELL | Feb 12 2020 20:19 utc | 57

Hmmm . . . the New Hampshire Secretary of State announced in December that Amazon Web Services would be offering New Hampshire residents an app: How much access does AWS get to New Hampshire's internal systems?

Posted by: Zee | Feb 12 2020 20:20 utc | 58

World stock markets hit a new record

World stock markets hit a new record, as the coronavirus panic subsides, with the latest figures showing a slowdown and China's chief medical adviser saying the outbreak could be over by mid-April.

In the meantime, Eurozone industrial production suffered a sharp decline in December.

The fantasy world continues.

Posted by: vk | Feb 12 2020 20:29 utc | 59

The discussion about Qanon was enlightening. I voted for Trump but gave up on him after Seymour Hersh's article about the first Syria strikes was published in Germany(because, apparently, no U.S publisher wanted to touch it) I find myself drifting slowly back to the leftism of my youth since then. As for Bernie, his former comrade Michael Parenti implied in 2015 that Bernie is afraid of the National Security State crowd, and I think that makes sense. Bernie won't fight the Empire, which makes his domestic promises basically useless, regardless of his motives. Honestly, I think he mostly is in this for the campaign contributions, but who knows? He's a lot less relevant than a lot of people are willing to admit. The empire seems to be running out of steam on its own as far as I can see, as de-dollarization continues to gain momentum, particularly in Asia. Events in Iraq and places like the Philippines should be more interesting watch than this boring election

Posted by: HarryOrd | Feb 12 2020 20:38 utc | 60

HarryOrd | Feb 12 2020 20:38 utc | 60

I hear you... For me 'Health Wellness' is important and really its a research and link-age project would take many hours to post here. Suffice to say... when 'Single Payer Healthcare' came into the lexicon (a few election cycles ago) it needed to be examined as to how a real transition would happen. Obviously the US and Canada have very different models and historic structural differences... When the Bern (Burn) doesn't touch on this... that's an obviously flag.

Posted by: Jayne | Feb 12 2020 20:49 utc | 61

Look like Erdo get even more from US for scalation..

Posted by: ARN | Feb 12 2020 20:56 utc | 62

QAnon is nonsense.
I looked into several of the more detailed predictions and comments - they were uniformly wrong, albeit loosely based on 1st level internet search results.
Fiction, not fact.
Psyops? Anything is possible, but I personally don't see it. Trump does just fine handling Twitter himself.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 12 2020 21:04 utc | 63

The problem for Bernie is that he's not going to have a friendly congress. Even the proudly neoliberal Barack Obama couldn't corral his Democratic supermajority into giving the American people a healthcare system that doesn't require throwing people into debtors prisons or kill tens of thousands a year out of sheer social negligence. If Obama couldn't get the likes of Mary Landrieu to vote for even a public option (out of her fear that it would kill her political career in Louisiana - ironic since her eventual vote for the ACA was indeed used against her anyway and did indeed contribute to her unseating by a Republican Senator), if the likes of Joe Liebermann could throw a monkeywrench into a system that could conceivably be transformed over time into a single-payer national health insurance system, it's a wonder how he'd get the likes of Manchin or even "moderate" (moderate like the rebels in Syria) Republican congressmen and senators on his side.

Sandernistas argue that he'll rally the masses into getting it done. I'm not so optimistic. American workers are in a precarious position and this unfortunately does not push them toward revolutionary consciousness. It pushes them rather to a more conservative position, trying to defend what little they have rather than fight for more. That's not to say it's impossible, there are good reasons to want single-payer, including the ability of the government to leverage its monopsony to finally nip the pharmaceutical industry's rent-seeking in the bud, but that will depend on congress having the balls to stand up to major donors and gore their ox.

The questions that those of us to the left of Sanders need to be asking are how to credibly assert our independence from Sanders while still, potentially, fighting alongside the Sandernistas for basic reforms; how to raise class consciousness (inoculating people against the conspiracy theory virus); and how to begin winning power for ourselves.

Posted by: fnord | Feb 12 2020 21:08 utc | 64


Excellent point. Add to this Political fanboyism("Bernie's trying! Don't rock the boat!") And nothing would get done. Bernie would also restore a veneer of respectability to the U.S empire, so it almost baffles me why the democrats fight him so hard(None so blind as those who do not see, as the Moody Blues would say.)

Posted by: HarryOrd | Feb 12 2020 21:15 utc | 65

what is with zerohedge anyway? they just seem to regurgitate the msm headlines... sounds like the definition of sheepdog...

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 21:19 utc | 66

Jayne @61,
The US is the only advanced country that does not have single payer health care. I can't believe that it is too baffling a hurdle to figure how to do it.

Posted by: arby | Feb 12 2020 21:22 utc | 67

fnord @64, HarryOrd @65

Don't worry, Bernie won't get that far.

At every opportunity Bernie says that the Party will unite to defeat Trump, which he calls "the most dangerous President in American history".

Bernie will compromise his faux-Movement to defeat the greater-evil of Trump.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 12 2020 21:30 utc | 68

Leashing Trump. Senate and the House attempting to recover what they gave away with the AUMF - the War Powers Act

Unexpected the GOP support:
U.S. Senate advances resolution limiting Trump's ability to wage war

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate advanced legislation on Wednesday intended to limit President Donald Trump’s ability to wage war against Iran, paving the way for a final vote as eight Republicans joined Democrats in supporting the war powers resolution.[.]

Should Trump veto, there is the other bill on the funding issue. Congress' power of the purse... refusing to fund deployment.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 21:30 utc | 69

Posted by: arby | Feb 12 2020 21:22 utc | 67

Much of it has to do with the history of perceived 'ownership' of the infrastructure (e.g. even hospitals) that the elite don't want to let go of and its legacy.

Posted by: Jayne | Feb 12 2020 21:38 utc | 70


Please sign the petition!

Posted by: Dutch | Feb 12 2020 21:39 utc | 71

@ james 43

The UK position? In a heart beat, Boris will trade Assange for a US-UK trade deal. The lack of UK journalists' support for Assange is telling. Spineless media critters failed Assange..

The Truth About Julian Assange
UN Special Rapporteur on Torture,- Nils Melzer, speaks in detail about the explosive findings of his investigation into the case of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

A made-up rape allegation and fabricated evidence in Sweden, pressure from the UK not to drop the case, a biased judge, detention in a maximum security prison, psychological torture – and soon extradition to the U.S., [.]

This interview was conducted by Swiss Journalist Daniel Ryser, Yves Bachmann (Photos) and Charles Hawley (Translation), 31.01.2020.
Let’s start at the beginning: What led you to take up the case?

In December 2018, I was asked by his lawyers to intervene. I initially declined. I was overloaded with other petitions and wasn’t really familiar with the case. My impression, largely influenced by the media, was also colored by the prejudice that Julian Assange was somehow guilty and that he wanted to manipulate me. In March 2019, his lawyers approached me for a second time because indications were mounting that Assange would soon be expelled from the Ecuadorian Embassy. They sent me a few key documents and a summary of the case and I figured that my professional integrity demanded that I at least take a look at the material.

And then?

It quickly became clear to me that something was wrong. That there was a contradiction that made no sense to me with my extensive legal experience: Why would a person be subject to nine years of a preliminary investigation for rape without charges ever having been filed?

Is that unusual?

I have never seen a comparable case. Anyone can trigger a preliminary investigation against anyone else by simply going to the police and accusing the other person of a crime. The Swedish authorities, though, were never interested in testimony from Assange. They intentionally left him in limbo. Just imagine being accused of rape for nine-and-a-half years by an entire state apparatus and by the media without ever being given the chance to defend yourself because no charges had ever been filed.

You say that the Swedish authorities were never interested in testimony from Assange. But the media and government agencies have painted a completely different picture over the years: Julian Assange, they say, fled the Swedish judiciary in order to avoid being held accountable.

That’s what I always thought, until I started investigating. The opposite is true. Assange reported to the Swedish authorities on several occasions because he wanted to respond to the accusations. But the authorities stonewalled.[...]


And then, they came for me.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 12 2020 21:54 utc | 72

Buttigieg stepped into a doggie pile and is getting rightfully deserved flak for deceptive comments he made meant to diss and undermine Bernie's medicare-for-all.

Association of Flight Attendants President Sara Nelson criticized former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg Wednesday for a tweet defending private health insurance, that appeared to characterize the employer-provided health benefits as gains won by union workers.

Buttigieg defended his proposed "Medicare for All Who Want It" plan, saying 14 million union members have "fought hard for strong employer-provided health benefits" in a tweet Wednesday morning.

Nelson, who played a key role in ending the federal government shutdown last year, called the invocation of labor rights "offensive and dangerous."

"Stop perpetuating this gross myth. Not every union member has union healthcare plans that protect them," Nelson tweeted. "Those that do have it, have to fight like hell to keep it. If you believe in Labor then you'd understand an injury to one is an injury to all."



Posted by: Circe | Feb 12 2020 21:59 utc | 73

what is with zerohedge anyway? they just seem to regurgitate the msm headlines... sounds like the definition of sheepdog...

Posted by: james | Feb 12 2020 21:19 utc | 66

The Bulgarian and his partner never spent any coin for investigative journalists and have always been free riders on others work. Their function is to spin / editorialize major themes and specific hobby horse issues like anti socialism, anti environment gibberish to benefit the far right GOP and their foreign partner. As many of the sheep the Bulgarian herds don't like what Israel does, he doesn't openly support Zionism etc, ZH does it by proxy, by supporting trump and the far right GOP

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 12 2020 22:13 utc | 74

Circe. More like paper bags with $ got Union Leaders to do the deed. You realize it speaks really loudly as to the intelligence of union members in Nevada, that they would believe that a so called socialist would do this. Mind you I guess if the info comes from a 'Trusted' source might do the trick.
I hope im wrong but Bern is the perfect fall guy for a crashed economy

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 12 2020 22:20 utc | 75

Now here's a guy that saw the future of corporate power, and how we should deal with them...

Posted by: ben | Feb 12 2020 22:33 utc | 76

Now here is a good piece on Trump gangsterism by Gordon Duff.
I guess some is Duffy but most entirely believable.
Q wont reprint this.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2020 22:34 utc | 77

Israel lashes out at UNHRC after LIST of companies doing business in occupied Palestine is finally released

"Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz slammed the UNHRC for "trying to blacken Israel's name"

Of course the standard 'antisemitic' trope followed.

Abby Martin sues Georgia over law forcing loyalty to Israel

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 12 2020 22:39 utc | 78

... you will note, on the spot, where he stands: he approved, as a Senator, the last 3 out of 4 major wars of the US empire. ...
Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Feb 12 2020 18:23 utc | 40

you could actually have checked it. Why didn't you?

This was indeed very, very curious to watch:

Posted by: Vig | Feb 12 2020 22:39 utc | 79

james #66

what is with zerohedge anyway? they just seem to regurgitate the msm headlines... sounds like the definition of sheepdog...

ZH has sheep shit for brains and is obedient to the msm just like a dog.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 12 2020 22:39 utc | 80

Thanks for the link ut @ 77; An excerpt;

"Those who accept the policies of the Trump administration, cancellation of the JCPOA with Iran, seizing oil fields in Syria, endless sanctions on nation after nation, Europe blackmailed, endless threats emanating almost hourly from Trump’s iPhone as “national policy” or even criminally deranged is simply not paying attention."

Excellent come back for the Qanon fantasy, which, IMO, ranks right up there with Ayn Rand's fevered dreams...

Posted by: ben | Feb 12 2020 22:41 utc | 81

Zero Hedge routinely reprints the rotten garbage that the Gatestone Institute spouts, a source of vile hate deeply connected to Israel.

Posted by: Lurk | Feb 12 2020 23:11 utc | 82

"Posted by: arby | Feb 12 2020 21:22 utc | 67 : The US is the only advanced country that does not have single payer health care. I can't believe that it is too baffling a hurdle to figure how to do it."

As a resident of Switzerland, I can tell you the Switzerland does NOT have single payer medical insurance coverage. It is provided by over fifty private companies, with no supervision. At the time the system went into effect in 1996, my premiums for the basic, compulsory coverage were 180 francs per month. For 2020, they are 540 francs per month. That involves a 300-franc deductible and a ten-percent co-pay on everything, but eye care is not included, nor is dental care -- EXORBITANT: 500 to 700 francs (US$ 500 to US$ 700) to have a cavity filled, 6,000+ francs for bridge work...

The law requires that any increase in premiums must be submitted to the federal department of public health along with detailed accounting to explain the increase. There is NEVER any such accounting, only the submission of the increases, every year, with the subsequent rubber stamp form the federal government.

According to public welfare services, the exorbitant premiums and collateral expenses are the primary cause of poverty in Switzerland, which affects almost 1 million out of the just over 8 million people in the country.


Posted by: RJPJR | Feb 12 2020 23:19 utc | 83

@ Posted by: RJPJR | Feb 12 2020 23:19 utc | 83

Indeed, and the Swiss system is now the world's second most expensive, though I believe they at least get better outcomes than us United Statesians (at half the cost).

Posted by: AshenLight | Feb 12 2020 23:22 utc | 84

Ran across this quote which is more true than not.

There is no America. Everything is just one vast corporation, an association of corporations. There’s no Britain. There’s no America. There’s no Holland. There’s no China. There’s no Russia. It’s one conglomerate of corporations. Money runs the thing.”

— Peter Finch as character Howard Beale, in the movie “Network

Its true when you consider the interlocking ownership of the elites in the major corporations and industries, which also capture governments political parties and regulatory agencies, and in China of course these local global elites make up parts of the party elite. While money is an important attribute of power, I think its a means and not an end to them. Their motivations is an ideology based on Platos Republic where they are pholisopher kings ruling the rest, and a religious idea that they, as elites may evolve to become like God and recover what was lost after the fall - as man was originally made in Gods image. Another name for it is Transhumanism which actually is idea that came from gnostic Judeo-Christian beliefs. Religion like Eugenics has not disappeared, both have just been renamed and repurposed. The Elites are Gods chosen people and the rest exist to serve.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 12 2020 23:28 utc | 85

James @ 66:

ZH don't do analysis of non-financial media articles. It is mainly a financial markets website and its ideology adheres to the Austrian school of economics (think Friedrich Hayek who was a big Pinochet supporter in the 1980s). Its founder Daniel Ivandjiski used to be a securities trader at least until he was found guilty of insider trading back in 2008 or 2009.

ZH are just as likely to reproduce garbage from Radio Free Asia and Falun Gong digital TV news channel New Tang Dynasty as they do news from other alternative news websites and blogs including MoA.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 12 2020 23:37 utc | 86

The T.I.N.A worshipers that seems to believe the politicians can or will make a difference makes me want to cry, the cognitive dissonans must be a burden on their souls and in their lives.

There exists exactly 0,000% of honest career politicians in the west today, they are ALL vetted by the "hidden nameless ones" and will destroy the western civilisation.


Posted by: Per/Norway | Feb 12 2020 23:45 utc | 87

My bet is that Qanon is simply Steve Bannon. Both have/had the same fake discourse and the same targets.
The revealing clue was for me when I saw his video clip "The great awakening".

Who has ever peddled the Pizzagate without being himself a nuts? I only know Qanon and Bannon (by means of Cambridge Analytica)

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Feb 12 2020 23:47 utc | 88

AntiSpin @ 39. A couple of very good articles.

From the first:

""The power of the Fed has become so acute that it has replaced the economy as a principle influence over the stock market to the point where there is only a 7% correlation between GDP and the S&P 500. Historically, in any given cycle that relationship was anywhere between 30% and 70%."""

So eventually, there will be no goods for this money to buy. And other countries will also stop selling their goods to us.

""So even though stocks continue to steadily climb higher, the rot at the foundation of the system is becoming more and more apparent.""

Financial assets need to mirror realty.

Posted by: financial matters | Feb 12 2020 23:56 utc | 89

Last year I was so mad at USA bulling Huawei and ZTE, decided to buy a Huawei Honor View V20 PCT-L29 Smartphone. Global version on T-Mobile network. Still fumbling at the setting. This smartphone installed GPS and BeiDou (BDS). I never used Google searches but instead DuckDuckGo long ago

Posted by: JC | Feb 13 2020 0:11 utc | 90

@Parisian Guy #88
Could not disagree more.
Have you actually seen any of the Steve Bannon interviews? Like on Frontline?
He is totally open about what his agenda is.
QAnon is exactly like a gypsy fortuneteller, but for the conspiracy theorist conservatives.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 13 2020 0:24 utc | 91

Latest Battle for Idlib Could Send Another Wave of Refugees to Europe
Fabrice Balanche February 10, 2020

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 13 2020 0:26 utc | 92

Per/Norway #87


Ah yes the passionate plea for futility. There are alternatives Per/Norway and they repeatedly manifest and usually involve the slaughter of innocents and maybe a few guilty.

I am for the ballot box as a regular exercise of peaceful changemaing at the very first step of any revolutionary shift in political power. Sure, it is mighty frustrating, there are thousands directly employed to smash its effectiveness. But consider a revolutionary success that lacks a clear accountable leadership - that is just swapping one tyranny for another. Naysaying and debasing people seeking change and posing no alternative is being part of the problem The solution is what we seek.

Yes some form of anarcho-syndicalist community structure could work and indeed has worked for millenia in some societies. But first it has to be formulated and introduced by popular will and offer sufficient reward to maintain that will for generations growing up within it. Going in the reverse direction and disassembling a gangster hierarchy is likely a more complex task and would require multi-dimensional strategies.

Humans are clever at assembling multi-dimensional strategies, ballot boxes are just one of them. If you search for societies that have composed myth and purpose and lore that enabled their long term peaceful sustainability, take time to read Treading Lightly by Sveiby and Skuthorpe.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 13 2020 0:37 utc | 93

I don't know if it had some airplay already,but in an article from february first in the Figaro,it shows how the american foreign office has handed out written recommendations for its allies to accept the ME Peace Plan and at the end of the letter four phrases are given to be repeated by the others's nations leaders and spokesmen.If you don't read french there is an image of the phrases in trumpian.The first reads:We thank President Trump for his efforts to make progress on this longstanding conflict.In the three others the word "The Vision" stands out.
I don't want to mess up the smartphone so you will have to look for :Comment les Etats-Unis ont demandé à la communauté internationale de soutenir leur plan israélo-palestinien.or look for then international,then moyen orient.

Posted by: willie | Feb 13 2020 0:48 utc | 94

McCluskey @1:

Re: Q. The exact same rumor was circulating during the last presidential campaign-- ie, a group of heroes around Trump were going to give us justice. I remember it got as far as Alex Jones' show. Everything the same as now, except it wasn't called "Q".

I personally don't think we should take seriously the Establishment vs Trump dramatics. I think all the investigations of Trump, etc, are merely to distract us from the actual happenings in international law and war. That is, I think the entire Trump campaign & presidency is just an intelligence op against the American people. You can see that he's highly successful at polarizing left & right even further, and thus blinding people to the elites above pulling the strings.

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 13 2020 1:10 utc | 95

Penelope #95

Exactly Penelope, that is precisely what the Trump and establishment oligarchy want. Red herrings to mesmerise and nimble fingers to pick pockets and all backed by their 'rule of law', their thugs, their assault on humanity.

Benign neglect of the safety of citizens as part of this strategy of creating high level terror (be it actual violence or a coronavirus)is called out in this excellent analysis.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 13 2020 1:23 utc | 96

b. What is it about your site that you invite such mediocre comments? I have thought about this a great deal.

Posted by: Lochearn | Feb 13 2020 1:24 utc | 97

Taffyboy @ 34:
Last time Erdogan asked for NATO help, he was given missiles on the Turkish border. These grounded the Syrian National Airforce over most of their territory-- thus aiding greatly the rebels (mercenaries from outside). The missiles remained until US concluded the proxy-army deal w Russia, when they were hurriedly removed so the Russian airforce could operate in the same areas formerly forbidden to the Syrians.

I know. I didn't figure it out either-- until I saw the wreckage of the "crash" of the Russian passenger jet in the Sinai. It only takes a drop of skepticism to understand that fakery.

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 13 2020 1:36 utc | 98

(I have not caught up with all the comments here yet but decided to post this because I'm taking to long and want to post it "today" rather than risk not posting it at all).

Robert Snefjella with plenty of kindness pointed out valid positive aspects to not only Qanon (although that was the topic) but the whole "redpilled" and "blackpilled" subcultures.

Maybe it is only a silver lining, maybe, but it also has the potential to be a very large silver lining as a source of personal experience for those it does or has appealed to.

To the extent that happens it is not too dissimilar on that point to what can happen to people reading this site.

Among other things Moon of Alabama debunks some US propaganda, points to others who debunk propaganda, and generally tries to be informative. In the case of MoA it is done without adding all that much "luggage" thus making it accessible for people who might never otherwise be in the same place, and this in itself is also something one can learn from.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2020 1:45 utc | 99

@ thanks for the feedback on zerohedge - uncle t, lurk, bubbles,and jen.... i never read the site.. when people link to it i am always a bit baffled.. why link to it? thanks for confirmation on my impression of the site..

@ 72 likklemore.. thanks for sharing that overview.. obviously the injustice towards assange is a reflection of how fucked up western countries are - sweden, uk and usa in particular... many others seem to rubber stamp this bs as well.. it is sickening.. i can't believe it is happening but it is.. wikileaks exposes war crimes on the part of the usa, and everyone goes into overdrive to protect the usa and go after the whistleblowers or those who release the info thru an open platform... that is really quite sick..

@ lochearn... what is it about someone negating the comment section on a regular basis and having nothing to contribute? it appears to be mental retardation to me.. why not just fo and be done with it?

Posted by: james | Feb 13 2020 2:20 utc | 100

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