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February 05, 2020

Open Thread 2020-09

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Posted by b on February 5, 2020 at 16:06 UTC | Permalink

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This essay penned over 10 years ago describes what's known as the Gold Standard for safeguarding the integrity of elections. Here's the crux:

"If hand-marked, hand-counted paper ballots are good enough for elections when you absolutely, positively have to know the correct result, aren’t they good enough for every election, every time?"

Regaining control over the electoral process is the first must-do step to regaining control of the political process. Yes, I did link to that essay back in 2016, and before that in 2012. I hope I won't need to do it again in 2022.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2020 0:39 utc | 101

@ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 29

The NSDAP (nazi party) supported an extensive welfare state. It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options.


Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 18:20 utc | 30
It is a well-established fact that the Nazi party provided holiday excursions of various sorts and cultural events for for workers. People who had never gone on a "vacation" of any kind. A historic first. No source necessary.
However, to get started, do a search for "Kraft Durch Freude," the program under which many of these activities---camping, hiking, seaside vacations, etc.---took place.
You can also search for "Nazi Party Holiday Camps."

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 6 2020 0:42 utc | 102

@ Jen | Feb 5 2020 22:06 utc | 78, / foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:45 utc | 83

Look where it broke apart.

Exactly where the previous airframes came apart, because of those same sloppy, mis-fitting, crucial fuselage parts, as outlined in this video, which I posted a few days ago:

Boeing 737NG – a Flying Deathtrap

So Boeing has known full well about these extremely dangerous fuselage conditions for at least 15 or more years, and has chosen not to fix them, but instead to let passengers die.

How long will it be until one of those many thousands of weakened airframes comes apart in the air?

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 6 2020 0:44 utc | 103

Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 0:01 utc | 99.

"nce, will be viewed by Russians as an attack on Russia and will launch a sequence of the events which will see the United States...well, nobody wants to see that. No MATTER what kind of warheads. "

I thought that was obvious brother. That why I mentioned it. And I assume that the submarine will die first, if a Russian boat is in its baffles.

But yeah. Of course. Putin and the published doctrine and everything saz one shot yer it mofo. I do think they have the intent of using these 5 kt bangers it's gunna get ugly.

Texas said April. So does Wally's crystal ball.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 6 2020 0:45 utc | 104

Biologist Michael Farzan of Scripps Research was part of the team that identified the structure of the “spike protein” by which SARS enters human cells.

He said SARS has a molecular proofreading system that reduces its mutation rate, and the new coronavirus’s similarity to SARS at the genomic level suggests it does, too. “That makes the mutation rate much, much lower than for flu or HIV,”

Any evolution that does take place in an endemic coronavirus, including one that spikes seasonally, might well be toward less virulence. “It doesn’t want to kill you before you transmit it,” Farzan said. “One would therefore expect a slow attenuation” of virulence if the virus becomes like seasonal flu. Dead people don’t transmit viruses, “and even people sitting in their beds and shivering” because they are seriously ill “don’t transmit that well,” he said.

Exposure to the four endemic coronaviruses produces immunity, but not permanent immunity. Like respiratory syncytial virus, which can re-infect adults who had it in childhood, coronavirus immunity wanes. Because it doesn’t last, older people can get reinfected. The elderly also have a higher death rate from coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS, a pattern 2019-nCoV is following (Chinese official reported 80% of deaths in 60+ age group).

Dr. Susan Kline, an infectious disease specialist at of the University of Minnesota also confirms this saying “There is some evidence that people can be reinfected with the four coronaviruses and that there is no long-lasting immunity...You can mount an antibody response, but it wanes, so on subsequent exposure you don’t have protection.” This doesnt bode well for the effectiveness of any future vaccine.

Since 2019-nCoV is new the first wave will be worst because we have an immunologically naïve population. Future waves should pass by people who were exposed (but not necessarily sickened).

This sort of negates the need for a vaccine, let natural immunity take its course. Especially when you consider an early concern for application of a SARS-CoV vaccine was the experience with other coronavirus infections which induced enhanced disease and immunopathology in animals when challenged with infectious virus . There were reports that animals given a SARS vaccine and subsequently challenged with SARS-CoV exhibited a serious immunopathologic lung reaction .

Yasui et al., (2012) reported severe pneumonia in mice who were vaccinated against SARS who were subsequently infected with SARS.
Another study of a double-inactived SARS vaccine found increased eosinophilic proinflammatory responses in vaccinated mice, especially older mice, who
displayed increased eosinophilic immune pathology in the lungs and were not protected against significant virus replication.

In fact one wonders if the seriousness of the cases in China , especially among older folks are persons who were exposed to SARS 16 years ago.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 0:46 utc | 105

Hand counted ballots a good idea? Of course, the 2000 chad tainted Presidential election (theft) proved that. 20 years from now computers will obtain our votes from our brain waves. Hard to recount them, but a sure way for the elite to control who wins. Lol

Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 0:51 utc | 106

@ karlof1 | Feb 6 2020 0:39 utc | 101

Let us all be sure to remember, please, that the very first time that electronic machines were used to tally votes in a federal election, Republicans began winning races where they never had been able to win prior to the use of the machines. And to remember, too, that the machines were manufactured and coded by Republican-linked companies, who have consistently refused to let anyone examine any of all that vote-switching code.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 6 2020 0:58 utc | 107

blues @68, re asymptomatic carriers.

Isn't that was Typhoid Mary was?
She had no symptoms or perhaps she was impervious to the disease, but spread it wherever she worked as a cook?

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 6 2020 1:03 utc | 108

Is Bernie a Sheepdog in 2020?

Bernie’s greatest achievement is that he has created the conditions for a break with the two-party duopoly; his greatest failure is that he will do “everything in his power”to block that from happening.

This is the conclusion from The Polemicist (though unfortunately placed in an addendum) which provides a surprisingly even-handed and well-informed analysis of "Bernie". He cites (literally) "The Good", "The Bad", and "The Ugly".

Under "The Bad", he takes Bernie to task:

The biggest problem here, from the perspective of those who are working hard for the “political revolution” that Bernie has inspired is that Sanders has had four years to publicize, denounce, and insist on correcting all of these methods of cheating, and has said or done nothing substantive to that end.

So if/when he, and that movement, are cheated out of the majority or large plurality of delegates by these stratagems, there is no one more responsible for it than Bernie himself.

. . .

The key here is what Bernie does. Will he Corbyn-ize himself with death-by-a thousand apologies and backtracks, or will he take Kate Aronoff’s advice and “nip that shit in the bud”? ... Again, Bernie’s biggest potential weakness is Bernie himself.

. . .

A telling moment in the “villainous and shameful” CNN/Des Moines Register debate was when Bernie—after being shivved by Warren and portrayed as a reckless fantasist by everyone else on the stage—felt the need to declare, for the umpteenth time, that he would “do everything in my power” to get her or any of them elected.

Why? Nobody asked him for that. Nothing in the context demanded it....

This is nothing else but Bernie signaling submission to the Democratic Party, which is—and keeps telling him it is—the enemy of everything he claims to stand for. It’s telling the party it can betray him in any way and still get his support. A foolish forfeit in advance.

. . .

We have to ask: What is Bernie saying or doing about this [Democratic Party election-rigging]? What is he doing to support not only himself, but the many thousands of people who are working hard for the “political revolution” he is claiming to lead—supporters who see the Democratic Party right now organizing to deprive Bernie of the nomination and derail anything like that movement from taking hold in the party, whether Bernie is nominated or not? Not him, us, and all that—and “us” want to know. ‘Cause if Bernie is doing or saying nothing about this, if he’s willing to ignore and accept it without raising hell, then it’s fair for “us” to suspect we’re seeing a hair of the Democratic sheepdog emerging through the revolutionary lion’s mane.


Re-posted from the "Putin Prepares to Release Iowa Caucus Results" Thread - hat-tip to uncle tungsten.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 6 2020 1:44 utc | 109

Hand counted ballots a good idea? Of course, the 2000 chad tainted Presidential election (theft) proved that.

Hard to recount them, but a sure way for the elite to control who wins. Lol by: Pft @ 106
<= you guys don't get, nothing you do can change by election anything (its in the hands of amendment 12 (the electoral college) or the wayward management of America by the USA. Elections are fake, the ballot box stuffed, the candidate liars, the political parties crooked and the mob is in control, the popcorn is genetically modified, and sewer water is recycled to drinking water, and the movies are fake

20 years from now computers will obtain our votes from our brain waves. 5G is already doing that. its not what they obtained from the brain, its what and how the store what they want you to know that counts.

The yemeni shot down another Saudi drone today.

Posted by: snake | Feb 6 2020 2:04 utc | 110

@Jen #82:

I don't suppose anyone here will be watching Hollywood's annual self-congratulatory smugfest but two propaganda films "The Cave" (directed by Firas Fayyad as a companion piece to "Last Men in Aleppo") and "For Sama" claiming to profile individuals trying to survive the Syrian War are competing for the Best [Fake] Documentary Oscar along with three other films.

Photo 1 – Waad Al-Kateab, author of For Sama, her husband Hamza Al-Kateab and their daughter Sama at the BAFTA award ceremony after receiving the Best Documentary award.

Photo 2 – Hamza Al-Kateab and Maayouf Abu Bahr.

Photo 3 – Hamza Al-Kateab and Maayouf Abu Bahr.

Photo 4 – Maayouf Abu Bahr and his buddies make a selfie with 12-year-old Abdallah Issah before they behead him.

Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 2:19 utc | 111

Take a look at this video below that's on twitter. This is why Buttigieg is the chosen one for the Dem side, because 2/3 of the average voter don't know he's gay and married to a man. So if he makes it to the general, when they start running ads of him kissing and holding hands with his husband; folks like the woman in the video are going to drop him like a hot potato and either gonna stay home or vote for Trump, cause Trump is the Zionist Chosen one and Buttigieg is the chosen foil.

yes, ma'am, he's gay; no refunds

Bet you anything Biden wishes he could shout it from the rooftops now!😆 But his goose is cooked if he does.

Get this, the Iowa Dem Party has been releasing figures in dribs and drabs. Today they tried to give Buttigieg the popular vote win as well, but then came back and gave it back to Bernie cause Bernie's been winning the popular vote all along; and maybe someone called them out, however percentage-wise Buttigieg is still leading by .9 with 92% precincts counted. And Santa is real, and so is the tooth fairy.

So they robbed Bernie of the boost he deserved.

If Buttigieg makes it to the general by hook and crook with the help of deep-pocket Zionists, he's in for a very rude awakening. But does Buttigieg really believe the PTB want him to be President?🤣

Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 2:34 utc | 112

circe - pure entertainment on my part, but i never saw a direct response from you to wg.. care to comment? from the thread Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results

"Just curious Circe, but is your hatred of Trump so overwhelming that you will now begin to demand that we support the obvious CIA stooge Butt-gig?

Now that we know beyond doubt that the Democrats are as crooked as a dog's hind leg, what's your suggestion for a path forward? Do you think we can do as the Mexicans did with AMLO and steamroll Sanders into the White House through sheer overwhelming numbers? Do you think enough Americans have hit that second level of "woke" necessary to do pull that off?

I don't think we are there yet, and I believe people being hung up with "Trump Derangement Syndrome" holds us back from getting there.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2020 0:51 utc | 204"

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 2:43 utc | 113

@ 92 bevin.. thanks for sharing your viewpoint on the topic of ''is bernie a sheepdog?" i have not used that term myself, but we all know who has and continues to use it regularly.. i think i understand what the term is supposed to mean - someone is who running as a spoiler for someone else or something like that.. i have never thought that about saunders, but i can see how someone might see it that way...

my biggest issue with saunders - and i would vote for him given the choices at this point - is why did he not kiss the dems goodbye after the 2016 gong show? i understand people get attached to their past.. is that it? he is a life long dem or something insane like that? for me he would have a lot more integrity if he had have run as an independent... and as bevin notes - many of the saunders votes stunk last time could well have voted for trump.. wonder what they do here when they sense the fix is in and bernie is not going to get the nod, in spite of the popularity that he has on a grassroots level?

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 2:48 utc | 114

HRC and the DNC's hands are all over this Iowa SNAFU. Can't link right now, but this was reported on Democracy Now, on 2/5. Shadow, the group that built the non-working apt, has connections to HRC and the winning candidate.

This SNAFU was no accident...

Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 2:56 utc | 115

Try this link;

Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 3:06 utc | 116

@115; The candidate I referred to is Pete Buttigieg...

Watch all of my 116, it's interesting...

Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 3:13 utc | 117

Look man, it is time to choose. Right, or wrong. Truth, or not. Choose wisely, please.

Posted by: Joshua | Feb 6 2020 3:26 utc | 118

Such august company. 65 , I thank you for your good sense. But i caution you. The anecdotal evidence of cover up will take a while to filter out, given state controls. State officials don,t care about next month ...they have to lie this day, hoping it will all come out in the wash after this panic is over .....
But i cannot refrain from commenting on the SAA advancing , to slip past the eastern defences of saraquib, Moving to take the M4 highway , and, more importantly, threaten idlib city! Holy Crap! hts commander must have focussed his best to prevent the breakthrough the SAA have Just accomplished. #lo, the question is, what defence is left in Idlib city, if the SAA come to call?

Posted by: James sullivan | Feb 6 2020 3:46 utc | 119

Such august company. 65 , I thank you for your good sense. But i caution you. The anecdotal evidence of cover up will take a while to filter out, given state controls. State officials don,t care about next month ...they have to lie this day, hoping it will all come out in the wash after this panic is over .....
But i cannot refrain from commenting on the SAA advancing , to slip past the eastern defences of saraquib, Moving to take the M4 highway , and, more importantly, threaten idlib city! Holy Crap! hts commander must have focussed his best to prevent the breakthrough the SAA have Just accomplished. #lo, the question is, what defence is left in Idlib city, if the SAA come to call?

Posted by: James sullivan | Feb 6 2020 3:46 utc | 120

@113 james

Let me instead respond to William Gruff.

you will now begin to demand that we support the obvious CIA stooge Butt-gig?

Of course not! That's like a choice between Hillary and Trump. Doesn't matter what you do. If Buttigieg is the nominee, the die will already be cast and the vote will already be irreversibly programmed for Trump to win. That's why Buttigieg must not be the nominee!

When it's rigged like that, nothing you can do to stop the mass brainwash. Buttigieg is the perfect foil, and whether you believe this or not, so was Hillary. But Buttigieg is a much better foil, less riskier foil to score a Trump win. That's why deep $ pockets are suddenly in his corner.

Regarding Sanders, I really believe he has a good shot. It won't be easy. It'll be very dirty and a knock 'em drag 'em out fight to the finish, but it can be done, whether some woke or no woke.

Personally, I prefer it to be an intense race all the way, because that sustains people's interest, and therefore, I believe that Trump loathing is a powerful motivator and Trump is an endless bounty of excellent negative ad material, together with a very positive platform that appeals to the average person who has been the mouse on the wheel for the super rich to exploit; it's a winning combination. You can't repair this kind of deep political rift until Trump is in the dustbin of history, and it's outrage turned to rage that must drive him out.

Trumpian Republicans are operating under an uncompromising, no holes barred survival of the fittest hubris. Another reason the Sanders campaign stands a chance is because his supporters have the same kind of my way or the highway resolve and resistance needed to win and transform the system. Hey, Trump fcked things up a lot, and he'll do much worse in his second term, and so you gotta be ready to fight fire with fire to take back power. Ziofascists won't give up their power nicely.

However, if this moment is not seized; it's game over and the real hell begins.

This is a very serious moment in history; that's why you (WG) and Jr and Russ piss me off to no end, because your cynicism is like a drug that kills opportunity. Trump must be defeated, you got that??? PERIOD SCRAM. You're the enemy of truth and I don't have time for this kind of stupid test!

Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 4:22 utc | 121

From Greyzone;

"Billionaire pro-Israel Buttigieg backer Seth Klarman funds group behind Iowa’s disastrous voting app"

Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 4:36 utc | 122

james @114: i think i understand what the term is supposed to mean

Sanders was identified as a 'sheepdog' early on by The Black Agenda Report, which describes exactly what 'sheepdog' means: Candidate Bernie Sanders: Sheep-dogging for Hillary and the Democrats in 2016:

Vermont senator and ostensible socialist Bernie Sanders is playing the sheepdog candidate for Hillary Clinton this year. Bernie's job is to warm up the crowd for Hillary, herding activist energies and the disaffected left back into the Democratic fold one more time. Bernie aims to tie up activist energies and resources till the summer of 2016 when the only remaining choice will be the usual lesser of two evils.

“The sheepdog is a card the Democratic party plays every presidential primary season when there's no White House Democrat running for re-election.”

Spoiler alert: we have seen the Bernie Sanders show before, and we know exactly how it ends. Bernie has zero likelihood of winning the Democratic nomination for president over Hillary Clinton. Bernie will lose, Hillary will win. When Bernie folds his tent in the summer of 2016, the money, the hopes and prayers, the year of activist zeal that folks put behind Bernie Sanders' either vanishes into thin air, or directly benefits the Hillary Clinton campaign.

The 2016 race went exactly as BAR had predicted. Bernie refused to attack Hillary on character issues ("Enough with your damn emails!"); had little to say about electoral manipulation and media bias; and ultimately endorsed Hillary - even after she disrespected him and his 'base' by bringing Debra-Wasserman Shultz into her campaign.

Some think that Bernie has shrugged off the 'sheepdog' role because he's now "top dog". But Bernie's meekness in the face of Democratic Party moves against his campaign cause many to believe that Sanders hasn't changed.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 6 2020 4:56 utc | 123

check out the NYTimes drone footage of Wuhan

It still is hard for me to believe that the Chinese would go to these lengths over anything less than a serious threat.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 5:18 utc | 124

I'm sorry, Circe, but it isn't cynicism. A post above attempted to counter the sheepdog claim because Bernie is indeed sincere on all his hardhitting points and he is expending so much effort - but I remember my uncle's best sheepdog, and what Bernie does is what a good sheepdog does - not to say he doesn't hope his 'master' will take notice of how successful he is with the people and incorporate some concessions into the final outcome but it has to be said, and has been said by Bernie himself, that he indeed has a master.

At #109 above Jack Rabbit reposts from uncle tungsten a few quotes of which one is the following:

"The biggest problem here, from the perspective of those who are working hard for the “political revolution” that Bernie has inspired is that Sanders has had four years to publicize, denounce, and insist on correcting all of these methods of cheating, and has said or done nothing substantive to that end."

You see, we remember that Obama also "inspired" a political revolution in young people, and then proceeded to shaft them. Bernie is not the same kind of person by any means as Obama is and was, but he does have a similar devotion to his 'side of the aisle'. Which means he is used to compromise in all matters Congressional. He's no LBJ, in other words. He himself doesn't cheat, but that's not enough. They, as you know, do.

What he has done is create a following - and rather than expect him to change, maybe there's hope his followers will. How would you feel about that?

Posted by: juliania | Feb 6 2020 5:18 utc | 125

S @ 111:

Those photographs of Dr Hamza al Kateab and Maayouf abu Bahr are very interesting. Thanks for linking to them.

Rick Sterling wrote the article I referenced in my comment @ 82. If you still have the photos and the source details where you found them, can you try sending the photos to him? There is a contact email address at the Global Research article. I'm sure he will be just as interested to see the photos as we are here at MoA.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 6 2020 5:20 utc | 126

I was a in charge of a polling place in CA during the primary when Jesse Jackson ran. When the polls closed, it took us 20 minutes to count the ballots for the candidates. Had the system provided for it, we could have phoned the results in to a central location in one minute flat. Also, had the system provided for it, we could have had observers to witness the count.

CORONA VIRUS: Greater contagion appears to reside in possession of a lung enzyme common to Chinese only. Most if not all of cases outside China are of Chinese ethnicity. Many events are preceded by or are simultaneous with a similar false event. There was such an event forewarning emergence of Corona.

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 5:40 utc | 127

Open Thread 2020-09
News & views ...
Posted by b on February 5, 2020 at 16:06 UTC

Hi b, this February 5 thread is Open Thread 2020-10, not 2020-9.

Please feel free to delete this comment.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 6 2020 5:42 utc | 128

Buttigieg is going to slam into a wall in South Carolina; he's not authentic and blacks are not buying his lip service.

Bernie has been handed a unique opportunity with Iowa. Okay, the Buttigieg cabal stole the show with their fix, but you know what they say about a door closing and a window opening. Biden will be going into SC a much weaker candidate. Therefore, the black community might be rethinking their support for him and wavering on whether he can defeat Trump.

Bernie already has much better support from the black community than Buttigieg who rightly has ZERO or very minimal support support. Bernie has come a long way since Black Lives Matter confronted him in 2015. He needs to seize on the opportunity waning with Biden and reach out to BLM and come out with a program beyond lip service before the South Carolina primary that will grow his base of black support. If Bernie succeeds in getting the black community to resoundly support him; he's on his way to the White House. And why wouldn't they support him when his platform is much more social justice oriented than Biden's?

He already has endorsements from notable black figures in the music and entertainment industry, so he just needs to use these endorsements to make wider connections, but he better expand this support soon.

If he comes out of South carolina doubling the support he already has, he'll be in a very strong position to make further gains.

Outreach to the black and latino community is extremely important and BLM is definitely not going to connect with Buttigieg.

One more thing, I also find Tom Steyer an interesting and likable candidate whose policies are good. The problem is that like Gabbard he hasn't been VIABLE.

Bernie's very VIABLE, and very committed to cleaning things up, social justice and restoring a sane foreign policy, therefore, he must go all the way.

@122 ben

I posted that link on Tuesay a.m. and then b posted it with an excerpt from the article in the previous thread to this one.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 5:59 utc | 129

The NYT drone footage is pretty blatant in its direction to readers/viewers as to how we're meant to react. They carefully tell us that it's "like something out of an apocalyptic horror movie" and add a soundtrack to match.
What we actually see is a very quiet city, with commercial business at a standstill, while a few citizens drive or bicycle about their personal business. No zombies, no bodies in the streets.
I wonder how much of the footage was edited to cut out anything that looked more like ordinary life?

Posted by: Hope | Feb 6 2020 6:04 utc | 130

It seems Bernie Sanders blew a big chance to aggressively promote his victory at the Iowa caucus and let establishment favourite Pete Buttigieg pull a Juan Guido and declare himself the winner before voting results had been publicly released (and said results later clearly showed Sanders, not Buttigieg, was the winner). Unfortunately, Sanders stayed quiet and let Buttman’s bullshit go unchallenged in the media.

I agree with this article by Green Party supporter Peter LaVenia, entitled Does Bernie Have What It Takes? which makes some very good points regarding Sanders’ weak media strategy and inability, or unwillingness, to act decisively when presented with opportunities to gain momentum. An excerpt from the piece:

For Bernie Sanders supporters, the true debacle of the Iowa caucus meltdown was not the failure of the Shadow app, but rather their candidate’s failure to claim victory when he had the chance. Instead he unwisely ceded that role to the corporate candidate extraordinaire, Pete Buttigieg. It stands in stark contrast to Donald Trump, who for all his faults would not have hesitated to declare victory, and who would have energized his supporters with the statement and cowed the party establishment.

Posted by: Daniel | Feb 6 2020 6:10 utc | 131

AntiSpin - Re: Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 2 2020 19:37 utc | 26

I noticed that there was an accident with a Pegasus 737 skidding off a runway in Istanbul in the past day as reported here.

The video you posted stated that the poorly-manufactured, and bodged on-site structural "ribs" could cause the fuselage to break up on an even minor accident, which is precisely what happened here.

Anyone injured should be joining in a class-action against Boeing, and also the FAA for their complicity.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 6 2020 6:10 utc | 132

Circe #129

I finally found you Circe over here. You departed the last thread quietly. So I repost this here for all to see.

This is a well presented assessment of the fork in the road from Patrice de Bergeracpas.

What say you Circe to this link?

I say its time for Bernie to get tough with the DNC or get rolled and be seen to betray his base.

Then I posted this from Grateful Dead.

Truckin, like the do-dah man once told me - "youve got to play your hand"
"Sometimes your cards aint worth a dime, if you dont layem down,"

So layem down Bernie and Tulsi, call their bluff.

I would be interested in your response Circe.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 6:19 utc | 133

thanks circe!

@ jackrabbit.. thanks for that... so, here is my thinking on this.. is this an intentional role you think saunders is playing, or an accidental one? it sounds like you think it is intentional... i can't see that myself.. i am not going to completely rule it out, but it is less likely.. my beef with the saunders character is the fact that they crucified him in the last dem party show in 16 and he just rolled over and went along with it.. it was wrong, wrong wrong and he went along with it... a strong leader is not someone who would do that.. so - i can't know exactly what is what here, but it sure looks to me that the fix is in and saunders is dead meat here.. that were the dead beef is as i see it..

@ b - as hoarsewhisperer notes -open thread 2020- 10, not 2020-9.. there's no rest for us anal perfectionistic types, lol..

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 6:24 utc | 134

What do barflies make of the claims made here in the Sydney Morning Herald? For a conservative MSM broadsheet it's a panicky forecasting that this Chinese shutdown is the trigger of the next big financial collapse.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 6 2020 6:29 utc | 135

On Iowa caucus.

How can it be that all those polls having Biden ahead of Bernie and the rest straggling way behind be absolutely wrong?

Biden is a dead dog. Rightly so. But how is it that the polls are so useless when they are totally upended by a few thousand people at a poll in Iowa. Not that I trust the Iowa process. This was my view in the previous thread:

I detoured to watch the hapless Boyd Price at his presser.

There goes your future Boyd Price. Over Shadow is a bad thing. Some will say you have betrayed democracy by listening to IT morons when paper ballots would have been easy and you would have results in an hour or two and now days are going by while you wrestle (massage) data. This is utter BS aggravated by the DNC machine taking over the show. What utter clowns just when they have plausible deniability and distance the DNC wade into their very own set up.

Iowa is a cautionary tale for all the other states and their ballots. Do paper. Send IT people for a holiday canoeing down Platte River or Niagra Falls. I am no Luddite with IT but there are some tasks that have extraordinary human integrity investment that are best handled by humans and simple pieces of paper that can be overseen by all the parties with skin in the game. Not so with clever dick fancy apps that have never been third party audited and agreed on by ALL interested parties.

Australia has been doing it for years with scrutineers watching as the ballot is counted and recounted. Stop the obfuscating BS and get IT out of the game.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 6:30 utc | 136

b - you nailed it...

"Rep. Sheila Jackson (D) called on Iowa Democrats to bring the FBI in to investigate Russian involvement in the malfunctioning of the vote-reporting app that threw the first vote of the 2020 election season into disarray. She made the comment during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on FBI oversight on Wednesday, but shrewd observers of Democratic behavior had predicted it almost immediately after the extent of the botched caucus vote count came to light."

Russians did it! Democratic congresswoman finally says what Russiagaters have all been thinking about Iowa caucus fail

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 6:32 utc | 137

Patroklos #135

China is not the trigger for the next financial collapse. The ammunition for the explosion is made in the USA. China might be made to look like a patsy but the trigger will be one of the too big to fail fraudsters on Wall Street.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 6:34 utc | 138

I should add too that my Australian university is debating delaying the start of semester 1. Over 20% of the university market here depends on Chinese students who are banned from entering Australia, and 25% of tourism consists of Chinese tour-groups. One can only imagine the dependent sectors caught up in this. It really doesn't matter much about the truth of this virus one way or the other when the cash-supply drys up completely. The consequences will be serious.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 6 2020 6:37 utc | 139

Another author confirms the occurrence of the typical "similar event or warning" preceding advent of the Corona Virus:

"pproximately six weeks before the outbreak of the coronavirus epidemic, in early December 2019 in Wuhan (China), an exercise was organized by the Davos World Economic Forum in cooperation with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

The exercise was held in New York City on 18 October 2019, for the specific purpose of mapping the response of transnational corporations and governments to a coronavirus epidemic.

15 world leaders took part in this exercise, including the two Chinese and American officials in charge of fighting epidemics."

The rest of the article names the VIP participants.

But this was not the only prodrome. See my #127. The other source is much more detailed.

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 6:38 utc | 140

Trailer Trash & Walter @9,12 & 13

Oops. I posted in a rush, and have just been scrolling through comments and saw yours'. It makes the Al Jazeera video posted by AntiSpin I referred to above to rather prophetic.

I, for one, will never set foot on any Boeing again as long as I live.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 6 2020 6:39 utc | 141

The latest returns from Iowa with 96% precincts reporting

Buttigieg 26.2
Sanders 26.1


After 2016 Sanders pushed for a paper trail and for the popular vote to be published.


If the vote ends in a .1 difference I would demand a recount. We'll see.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 6:41 utc | 142

Oops, sorry. Forgot the source on #140: It's

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 6:42 utc | 143

Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 5:40 utc | 127

VIDEO: The “Lock Step” Simulation Scenario: “A Coronavirus-like Pandemic that Becomes Trigger for Police State Controls” By Helen Buyniski

Thanks Penelope good reading but some mistakes mainly What Helen meant Dr. Mahathir Mohamad (a real Medical doctor) and the present PM.


I'm from CA received official mail ballot today.... Party preference Green Party. No Democratic, NO Bonds, I hates Democratic more than Republican and votes Republican candidates. November 3rd write-in Tulsi Gabbard

Posted by: JC | Feb 6 2020 6:48 utc | 144

I have to wonder when China will decide it no longer wants to accept the endless stream of digital currency (created by simply adding more and more zeros to the end of the Federal Reserve balance books) in exchange for its goods and services? It's not like they don't have internal markets and, of course, the Belt Road Initiative.

Sure, its a great deal for the banksters and the military here, how else can the US afford to keep 1000 military bases, 11 Carrier Strike Groups, and everything else going? The US debt is being monetized at a phenomenal, exponential rate, have you noticed the Fed is pumping tens of billions of dollars into the banks on a daily basis? I marvel at how this seems to go on forever, not that laws matter here in the US anymore, but just simply because of the scale of this process.

I keep telling myself it can't go on forever, but it still seems to. Until one day it doesn't, I guess.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 6:49 utc | 145

@Jen #126: The photos are from this post by Russian blogger Boris Rozhin: I presume he found them on Twitter.

Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 6:50 utc | 146

Only a small heads-up: I've noticed instances of the "US"/"western" propaganda apparatus misusing the term "false flag" in nonsensical ways to corrupt it, including by "experts", "veterans", people who portray themselves or who are portrayed by others as authoritative and so on.

Something to take notice of for anyone when they comes across it. I assume it will become more widespread. It is clearly not by mistake. Everyone should feel free to publicly ridicule, mock, and shame such people if they have the opportunity to do so.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 6 2020 6:53 utc | 147

Anyone remember Julia Skripal and the 'poisoned door knobs' affair.

Is no-one ever going to pressure the UK to reveal her destiny?

Or is she to be simply disappeared into the dark 'rabbit holes' of the absurd, and if she can disappear without a trace, amidst all that media attention, then what does it say about the fate of the rest of us mere, unknown, mortals?

Posted by: Ric G | Feb 6 2020 7:05 utc | 148

karlof1 @87

"what I'm most interested in is its idea that Socialism represents Total Democracy, which is my term arrived at from Sidney Webb's essay here and in the above linked book where he says:

'The economic side of the democratic ideal is, in fact, socialism itself'."

This is what Lenin wrote of in his The State and Revolution as "winning the battle of democracy."

Lenin, as opposed to the Fabians, was a Communist. As Sherwood Anderson put it:

"What’s the difference between a Socialist and a Communist? The Communists are the ones who really mean it."

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 6 2020 7:07 utc | 149

vk @89

"The NEP only lasted five years (it itself collapsed after the peasant counter-revolution attempt and its under the weight of its own contradictions), but the lesson survived to the Chinese after the failure of the Cultural Revolution: that is, that capitalism had survived, that the cycle of world revolutions was over, and that it was time for a second Long March, where the tasks of the socialist state would be to accelerate the development of capitalism in a most controllable situation possible (i.e. in a socialist "sandbox"). The task of communism in the Third World, therefore, should be to do the tasks the capitalist class did in the First World: to industrialize it."

Four years ago on MoA I described China's strategy over the past 40 years in just these images (although there are a growing number who no longer accept the capitalist take on the Cultural Revolution).

And 40 years ago in an old hardcopy of MERIP Reports (pre-internet, can't properly cite, apologies) I remember reading exactly this perspective by an Arabic revolutionary contributor. Since imperialism shackled every country's comprador capitalist classes to its rule, not only did simple national liberation and popular democratic tasks fall to the colonized country's communists by default, but upon liberation, so did the historic task of capitalism, the superdevelopment of the productive forces.

I've called China's path a "New Economic Policy on steroids". The difference between this and the restoration of capitalism many have alleged is the continuing socialist state, that learned the lessons of the collapse of the USSR and is inoculated against US regime change attacks. A whole new meaning to Mao's putting "politics in command"...

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 6 2020 7:09 utc | 150

Perimetr @ 145

"I have to wonder when China will decide it no longer wants to accept the endless stream of digital currency . . ."

Inside China’s mission to create digital yuan

The country’s new sovereign currency, the first of its kind in the world, appears to be nearing completion


This may be the year we see the world’s first sovereign digital currency, Wired reported. First discussed more than five years ago, China’s DCEP (short for Digital Currency/Electronic Payments) looks to be nearing completion. There have been some false starts; reports initially said there was a chance it would be released countrywide by November 11, while Caijing, a large domestic finance magazine, thought it would be debuted in Shenzhen before the end of 2019.

While neither of these deadlines have come to pass, it’s clear that China is gearing up to release DCEP as soon as possible, according to presentations by Mu Changchun, the head of the Chinese central bank’s digital currency research institute. In these presentations, Mu has elucidated a vision of a sovereign digital currency, one that stands in stark contrast to the decentralized aspirations embedded into existing cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin.

Posted by: pogohere | Feb 6 2020 7:10 utc | 151

I may have to reappraise my opinion of Shia-Sunni ability to cooperate.

Eva J. Koulouriotis, who seems to be reliable, tweets

"On this basis, #Tehran, through the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Afghan #Fatemiyoun militia, began providing the #Taliban with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles (MANPADS) in addition to other types of weapons."

Posted by: necromancer | Feb 6 2020 7:14 utc | 152

Really? #102

You evaded 98% of the question. Let me restate it:

The NSDAP (nazi party) supported an extensive welfare state. It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options.


Hiking trips and limited vacations for Nazi party members ≠ ≠ "extensive welfare state" or any of the rest except for "vacation options"....for a decent rundown by an actual historian, I recommend this article.

Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 6 2020 7:17 utc | 153

Some idle thought on the Buttigieg for Biden swap routine:

Swapping Buttigieg for Biden is like swapping
Miley Cyrus for Mother Theresa
Jeffrey Epstein for John McCain
Rachel Maddow for Hillary Clinton
Donald Trump for Barack Obama
Dan Quayle for Donald Trump
Any comedian for Stephen Colbert
Spiro Agnew for Donald Trump
Boyd Price for Debbie Wasserman Shultz

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 7:19 utc | 154

STANDPUNKTE - The war alternative. A fake called AfD: antisocial & militaristic

All quotations are taken from a paper of the "Arbeitskreis Verteidigung der AfD-Bundestagsfraktion".

As an alternative, as opposition, the AfD appears. Now its parliamentary group presented a paper entitled "Armed Forces Bundeswehr", which wipes off the oppositional make-up of the party and shows the true face of the AfD: asocial & militaristic. Because brutally open, the AfD wants to completely fulfil the financial demands of NATO. And it does not shy away from foreign missions either. In addition, it wants the "national procurement pact", a profitable alliance with the arms industry, at the taxpayer's expense, of course. The party is actually selling this as "national". As if Schulzes from next door and the shareholders of Rheinmetall were on an equal footing.

Abroad, abroad, above all

The AfD is only concerned that "foreign missions to stabilize foreign states . . . do not endanger Germany's defence preparedness at any time". Even the slimy camouflage word "stabilization" - invented by the SPD and CDU in the wake of the war in Afghanistan - is being submissively adopted by the alleged alternative. And then the "Alternative for Germany" also camouflages itself nationally: "Moreover, they (the foreign missions) are always subject to the national interest of Germany. Like in Mali? Where the Bundeswehr serves the interests of the French nuclear industry? Or like in Syria, where the Bundeswehr planes protected the interests of the USA? Or like in Ramstein in the Palatinate, where the German town serves the Americans as a control center for drones? Not a word about that at the AfD.

Out of the butt of NATO

Instead, the AfD stoops so low in front of NATO that it is easy to see the party behind it: "The North Atlantic Alliance has consistently demonstrated its efficiency and reliability during the decades of the Cold War. Sure. In Afghanistan, in Libya, everywhere where the raw materials interests of the USA had to be reliably fought for. And what does the AfD tell NATO's butt: "In order for NATO to maintain its military and political strength, the German government must fully comply with the contractually agreed commitments to the alliance. This sells the AfD as national:

Making tax money easy on foreign wars. And, hardly hidden, the alternative counterfeit wants to fulfil the NATO target of 2 percent of the gross domestic product (80 billion euros!) as an "agreed promise" in a well-behaved manner. This costs the money for schools, roads, apartments. Doesn't the antisocial AfD care at all. The Party for Nuclear War is deeply submissive in its formulation: "The nuclear capabilities of the partners in the North Atlantic Alliance represent . . . . .is an essential component of military deterrence." One can hardly hear the voice of the AfD, as it sits so deep in the gut of the USA-NATO organisation when it praises the old anti-Russian front as a new insight: "In addition, the Federal Government must make it clear that it respects the outstanding strategic importance of NATO for our country.

George Bush's terror thesis stolen

The bloody old propaganda thesis of George Bush is also recycled by the AfD with this sentence: "In the case of terrorist threats against the Federal Republic of Germany and its citizens, the Bundeswehr is also empowered and authorized to avert danger and to support criminal prosecution abroad. The AfD thinks its voters are stupid and hopes that they will not remember that the USA declared every second goatherd a terrorist if this was in their geostrategic interest. So the USA doesn't give a shit about national borders when they are once again on their way to "criminal prosecution abroad". In this illegal and deadly hunt, the AfD wants to involve the Bundeswehr. And openly admits: "A precise and robust approach by German armed forces also develops a preventive protection for Germans abroad through its deterrent effect". Of course, in translation robust means "deadly". And the fact that NATO's previous missions have only produced more refugees is something that the alternative dummy catchers keep quiet about.

The buzzing "R" of the Austrian

For everything to go smoothly abroad, the AfD strategists on the home front need calm. In order to ensure a proper peace of mind, the AfD wants to set up a "reserve corps for territorial tasks" at home, which will provide support for the police and border guards. "Of course, this illegal police force is to be deployed domestically in the future as part of an "extended military operation" to "avert dangers below the threshold of a defence case ...".

That the alternative putschists will have to override German laws for this is even known to the flyspeck Gauland: "For these tasks, an amendment of the constitutional provisions for the deployment of the Bundeswehr at home is necessary. On the way back into the Reich, even the worst years of German history are rediscovered: "The Bundeswehr is part of a centuries-old German military tradition. That the "traditional" 2nd World War cost at least 55 million people their lives? Never mind. That among the victims were 6.3 million dead Germans? The nationally painted AfD obviously doesn't give a shit. But back to the Reich also means: "Military service also strengthens the will of the German people for military service." You can hear the Austrian's rolling "R" buzzing out of the text.

Stand at attention in front of each flagpole

Because the AfD recommends foreign missions and dubious foreign friends to the Bundeswehr, the Germans have to be barracked mentally: "The Federal Government advocates social privileges for its soldiers. That's what the Höckes, the Meuthens and Gaulands would like to see: an ideologisation of the Germans, which should lead to the military formation of the country, to standing at attention in front of every flagpole. And because too little money is constantly being spent on the country's youth and because the German educational standard has long since fallen below that of China, the AfD prays that education will be healthy: "The Bundeswehr will be included in the teaching and training plans of schools. Whoever has a clue knows that this entrance only serves the ideologization of the lessons and will not clean the dirty school toilets. The AfD does not want to know that. Anyone who has a clue knows that this kind of school policy has only one outcome: downwards.

All quotations are taken from a paper of the "Arbeitskreis Verteidigung der AfD-Bundestagsfraktion".

Translated with (free version)

Posted by: arosa2 | Feb 6 2020 7:20 utc | 155

On the failed impeachment topic, someone sent me this article. Wouldn't have even registered for a read if not for the fact that it references the failure of the Roman Empire. Thought some of the barflies might get a laugh or have something interesting to say.
Echoes of a failed empire

Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 6 2020 7:22 utc | 156

Science: Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed
Posted by: b | Feb 5 2020 18:21 utc | 32

The last pasragraph of the linked article is interesting:

The German cluster does reveal another interesting aspect about the new virus, Drosten says. So far most attention has gone to patients who get seriously ill, but all four cases in Germany had a very mild infection. That may be true for many more patients, Drosten says, which may help the virus spread. “There is increasingly the sense that patients may just experience mild cold symptoms, while already shedding the virus,” he says. “Those are not symptoms that lead people to stay at home.”

In other words, it's really just a normal bog-standard flu and nothing more - or maybe even less! Fatalities are infinitesimal, compared to the population of the country most affected. If Drosten's claim is true, then the number infected in China (but so mildly that not detected) would be massively greater than the twenty-something thousand confirmed cases, making the true fatality rate even lower still. Most of the deaths are from elderly people already immune-compromised by another illness, and every bog-standard strain of flu is fatal in some people especially elderly people with compromised immune systems.

2019-nCoV is NOT a medical incident at all, it is a pure political incident and nothing more.

China's response to the incident is not at all warranted by the medical facts (except probably at an early stage before it was clear what the situation was); nevertheless the real issue was and is the political attack on China, and China's containment of the "new bog-standard strain of flu" was an absolutely first-class and fully warranted response to the political attack.

My commiserations for the small number of deceased and their families, but the incident also has some major advantages. The danger of the self-immolating empire deliberately deploying a far more dangerous bio-weapon in China is extremely great, and with nCoV China has had a perfect chance to run a highly realistic drill for dealing with a REAL bio-threat - and again they have passed with better than five stars. What they have learnt from all this is absolutely priceless and will probably save millions of lives, if there is ever the release of a really dangerous bio-weapon by the self-immolating empire.

Another less spectacular but nevertheless worthwhile advantage for China is the global display of a truly spectacular preformance in administration, science, medicine, social management, crisis management, morality, discipline ... and so much else.

Congratulations China!

Posted by: BM | Feb 6 2020 7:23 utc | 157


I was a long-time lurker who recently started posting a few little tidbits. I've noticed that the Whiskey Bar is full of strange names and faces now. For a more efficient way to read the comments from commenters I appreciate, I go to the bottom of each comment page and scroll up, initially skipping the unfamiliar names and focusing on those whose opinions and merit I trust, but eventually going back and reading for replies to the more interesting sub-threads.

Mr. Wiggles


Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 6 2020 7:28 utc | 158

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 5:18 utc | 124

“It still is hard for me to believe that the Chinese would go to these lengths over anything less than a serious threat.”

Well, its certainly ended those Hk protests.

Also, they do have an aging overpopulation problem. And a distraction taking away from economic and pollution problems might be politically useful, especially if they can come off as hero's for squashing a problem with their decisive and strong actions , people not knowing it was all hype and would have amounted to nothing anyways.

They now have an excuse not to honor the trade deal which was so one sided there must have been some unhappiness internally

Also, with a growing vaccine and pharmaceutical industry forced vaccinations and other prophylactic therapies globally could be a boon. Who better to develop a vaccine than the creator and owner of most of the virus with a large population who survived with ample source of plasma antibodies and cellular transfer agents?

Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 7:57 utc | 159


I think that the tech-failure was all a part of the strategy.
If they were just changing vote returns within the app there is a chance that electronic records could eventually bring them down, should the results be contested in court (and find an honest judge just happens to be presiding).

If they orchestrate a crash of the app, they can blame it all on this technical "glitch" and indemnify themselves.
It is also far cheaper than assassinations (character- and actual-) and buying off the media and courts.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 6 2020 8:22 utc | 160

@karlof1 98

"What purpose would be served by CIA/State to allow the rumored death to continue? ...if we don't see a healthy A-Mike within a week, then he's either dead or a POW."

This is precisely why I was raising the question, here over a week on. It would seem simple enough for Mikey to have been trotted out, for whatever innocuous purpose, to disprove Taliban claims if he was indeed safe and sound. In fact, given his duties, it seems to be pushing it to believe he wouldn't have been sighted somewhere doing something in the ten days since. Of course, I suppose one could argue the opposite, that this has been plenty of time for the Taliban to have provided further corroboration. But boy, if Iranian intelligence somehow managed that sort of a surgical won't find anyone of any import from the US volunteering to go anywhere near the ME. Of course, if this plane were indeed "brought down" (and if so, one would presume a fairly simple explosive device planted at the airfield), even that prospect is enough to send shivers down the spines of anyone who considers themselves a potential target.

As to the mini-nukes, those are indeed troubling. I spent some time trying to decipher the mental gymnastics of any conceivable argument that their purpose would be countering anything Russian, and frankly I had to lay down for a while. When I got up it is still ludicrous. However, what I'm concerned about is the actual "natural" purpose of such devices would be for use against a nation who can at least be argued to be a "nuclear threat," e.g. Iran and N. Korea, thus justifying the use of nuclear devices in the minds of neocons (who have been whining for some time "what's the use of having nukes if we never get to use them?). Remember, a lot of these fascists actually believe the nonsense that the A-bombs caused the immediate surrender of Japan, and I could see them thinking that a suitable demonstration of horrible destruction would cause Iran (or N. Korea, or whoever's next in line) to immediately fold. Didn't Trump make some off-hand comment a while back about turning some small militarized island into glass?

Anyway, I could see these idiots thinking that mini-nukes are just the ticket--horrendous enough to force any foe to surrender, while allowing the US to reassure the world that it only barely nuked another country and shouldn't be thought the less of. Plus, they're "safe" for the US to use, as compared to the until-so-recently favored bombing campaign, now that they're coming up against foes with actual air defenses. Scary times.

Posted by: J Swift | Feb 6 2020 9:10 utc | 161

yes hand counted paper ballots are the best solution, as florida, with the choicepoint manipulation of a flawed database to disqualify up to 100k legitimate voters, proved. unfortunately the supreme court stopped the counting process.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 6 2020 9:27 utc | 162 I am wondering who is behind these people. They came from nowhere and yet are supported to the hilt by those in power. Odd. I cannot help but be suspicious. Time will tell. GMJ

Posted by: GMJ | Feb 6 2020 9:49 utc | 163

uncle tungsten @133

Thank-you for connecting me with that author and his excellent opinion.

Too bad he wrote that piece before the Iowa hi-jack meant to introduce Buttigieg as the replacement for damaged-goods Biden. And I also found it curious he didn't mention Hillary's multiple attacks on Bernie in the days leading up to the Iowa caucus.

First I want to say that I, like the author, am perfectly aware of Bernie's shortcomings, and yet I'm glad he will support him for the greater good, because even if the outcome is as he predicts, there is something important to be gained by the movement that supports Bernie that will refuse to be pulled back into the party and shoved in a corner until the next election.

We differ on two things: I am more optimistic AND I believe he and others here have judged Bernie much too harshly regarding the 2016 outcome.

The problem is that everyone fails to walk in his shoes. First, Hillary lost, and Trump has beat up the Democratic Party so hard (and they deserve every bit of that beating, but I give no credit to Trump who does everything for selfish reasons) that it's a wounded party unlike the full-blown arrogance of 2016. The humiliation started the night of the election loss when Democrats planned a circus-like party and the party died in an instant.

May the animal forgive my analogy, but a bull is much easier to kill when he has been poked and prodded and stabbed in different ways and led around in dizzying circles before the final death blow.

So Bernie did the wrong thing supporting the nominee, but for the right reasons. He wasn't ready to take the movement to a third party and neither was THE COUNTRY ready to embrace a 3rd party. a) You can't win an election only with the left base. and, b) You don't want to make an irredeemable bitter enemy of all Clinton supporters. Remember, the black and Latino community were largely in her camp.

And he had more to learn. So Bernie had to suck it up and play the good little soldier, but you could tell how deeply hurt and angry he was.

So I have to forgive him, and I stated all along then that the ONLY good thing Trump's win was good for was consolidating a deeply frustrated resistance.

Everyone on the left is primed and tenderized raw for something transformative. In the meantime, Bernie has made his ideas political mainstream discussion when before they were seen as too radical. All this required time and the Trump karma catalyst.

So it's time to put aside the cynicism, fear and bitterness and FIGHT LIKE HELL, because who knows when this opportunity will resurface.

I think the author should send Bernie that opinion! Why? Bernie is 78 years old; he's at a stage where he owes the Democratic Party NOTHING. Yes, he herded millions into the party, but now, he should say: It's time to pay up!!! This is his moment and his supporters moment.

The Party has two reasons for sabotaging Sanders: 1) To satisfy its corporate and Zionist big bucks donors, and because 2) They don't believe he can beat Trump, although the corporate/Zionist backers really want Trump to win, ergo they're unconcerned about the rest of the field that will never beat Trump, but Bernie is a big threat to their power and scares them to death!

Let's be straight: there are two parties and one boss (Zionist corporate elite) who rules them both. That's why it's hard to tell the 2 apart except on social issues. They are both co-opted and equally corrupted by the same cabal.

I, unlike the author, believe Sanders can make it. This time he's got power, and he's dealing with a wounded animal (the Dem party) ready to be finished off and resurrected in a new form. The clintonites would slit their own wrists to get rid of Trump. Bernie has to play his hand carefully, not pissing people off right now, yet standing firm because he's got power, they know it, they know he can take his army with him with nothing to lose except the respect of people who never respected his efforts.

This is a face off. Bernie needs his people to do the dirty work for now. He needs to advance with as much grace as possible to herd the clinton sheep his way.

Many of them will follow him if he keeps gaining and showing he has the numbers to beat Trump. That's not to say that the DNC and the PTB won't throw everything his way to stop him.


This is only starting to become clear. Give it a few weeks. If he can get the black community away from Biden, and now that Biden is damaged; it's the best time to start siphoning that support. If he can do that, they'll be powerless to take him down.

Another point I disagree on with that opinion: The primaries will be rough, but the general election will be a figurative bloodbath. Believe me Trump is going down, but, not easily. He will get vicious and will go down kicking and screaming.

Again, that author should send his piece to Bernie. Bernie doesn't owe the party; the party owes him, and his legacy is not with the Democratic Party but with the people he brought with him who deserve the chance to carry on his vision and theirs.

I hope it doesn't come to the fork. I hope he can cleanup the old to build the new, instead of being confronted with the decision to take everyone with him to a third party. That's a very challenging, complex endeavour at this stage.

South Carolina is an important state. I can't see how Buttigieg can make it there, and I can't see how blacks can support a damaged Biden over Sanders.

Once he makes it past NH and wins there (even a tie with Biden in SC will be viewed as a win); he will conquer everywhere.

Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 9:57 utc | 164

bevin @ 92

That is a pretty good analysis. I do believe that Bernie does not want division of the party as it could hand a great deal of power to the Republicans yet he is still an independent for all practical purposes. He could wield a great deal of power to obtain some objectives but he appears to have done little.

He is a massive threat that could split the DNC in half and create a new party and his followers know that they get little from the DNC. They have a great deal of organized shoe leather at their disposal that could inflict tremendous damage.

Why not use the threat to obtain some of your goals? Why not spend three years bashing and trashing the DNC to obtain concessions on how power is shared? It would be an exercise in massive popularity as well. WE all know the corruption is rampant.

In the 3 years since the last election what has he done? Of course you cannot get much done with Trumpenstien in power but you could blow the bugle before the battle. The jury is out for me on the sheep dog angle. I am going to have to spend time to read and watch some of his material.

I saw the labor party start with significant support in California and it quietly died being co opted by the DNC power brokers. These elections are exceedingly important and I am sure that there are foreign and domestic intelligence agencies involved as well.

It is all about working in the shadows. Everyone is suspect, even Sanders

Posted by: dltravers | Feb 6 2020 9:59 utc | 165

Cerce @ 165
Thank you for that Cristal clear analysis regarding Bernie and the overall US political situation. Just as Americans found it hard to understand U.K. Jeremy Corbyn, I as a Brit find the mess that is US politics hard to grasp ! That one comment made it clearer.
I love your posts and yet I also like Jack Rabbits posts long term, i note you are both essentially on the same side. therefore should note be devided ! J.R. & Russ ect fail to see there is more than one path to the mountain top.
Both in the U.K. & US we need to build bridges and employ many different tactics to bring down the far right trump republicans and U.K. Tory’s !
I’m a street activist hands on but Corbyn working within the system to bring chainge is essential ! Likewise BERNIE SANDERS so please JR @Russ fight the enemy not our friends = Cerce

Posted by: mark2 | Feb 6 2020 10:55 utc | 166

They [the Chinese] now have an excuse not to honor the trade deal which was so one sided there must have been some unhappiness internally pft @159.. I think you hit the nail on the head.. China is about to roll out its new digital currency, it d/n need to lose its trade with outsiders, and it does not want its secret to get out, also its about to announce advanced innervation in quantum processor technology.. , I believe its resident population is fully prepared to suffer the consequences of foregoing trade with the west. seems from what I could understand, that Chinese people willingly sacrifice their present circumstances for the benefit of future generations. Several Chinese persons have told me privately, it is endemic among Chinese residents to find ways to decouple from the USD the state must have nearly full support for this?

I do not know much about this China stuff, so I would appreciate some to explain more to me.. or tell me my sources are not accurate.

Posted by: snake | Feb 6 2020 11:05 utc | 167

@ Bevin 92

Every sheepdog for TPTB is a sheepdog for the overall system first and their party second. As Jimmy Dore often says: “Democrats would rather lose to Republicans than win with progressive candidates.” It’s because TPTB own “both” parties.

“If he were a sheepdog, leading a growing flock of followers from one Primary to the next, their numbers and momentum constantly growing, this is the very last thing that those hoping to shear his flock of followers would have wanted.”

No. The very last things TPTB want is for the rubes to lose so much confidence in the rigged systems that they either start an independent political party, take to the streets in earnest, or worse.

“Had Bernie's been a sheepdog campaign he would have delivered a new infusion of young idealistic supporters to the Clinton campaign, representing a net gain for the DNC.”

No. TPTB are as happy with Trump as they would’ve been with Clinton. Probably happier. But, that’s beside the point.

Posted by: oglalla | Feb 6 2020 11:06 utc | 168

Circ #165

Bernie got flogged I 2016 because no paper ballot. He has had numerous ocasionsevery week since to demand a transparent vote on paper. Silence. Iowa gives him that opportunity. Silence. Silence so poorly exercised that butigieg steals the advantage.

Both Bernie and Tulsi have a moment to stand up for their people and admirers and demand transparent, accountable elections on paper ballots properly preserved. The stench of a rigged vote is overwhelming PLUS it destroys the will to fight in their support base.

If both Bernie and Tulsi cannot get a guarantee or get gyped again then it should be a walkout at or before the convention and a rally for a new party. Sure, that is a move fraught with danger but acquiescing is treachery and would certainly shatter their base.

The day demands integrity and both Bernie and Tulsi claim to have that in spades. Its time to be either on the bus or get off the bus. No more drinking the DNC cool aid playing nice.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 11:09 utc | 169

The situation with Sanders reminds me a little of Kerry in 2004. Kerry refused to acknowledge that the 2004 election had been stolen until a recent memoire. Presumably some years in the future Sanders will aver that he was hosed twice. The role played in Iowa this week by the Shadow 'app' - essentially an in-house operation belonging to Buttegie - reminds me of the role played in Ohio in 2004 by the tabulator which compiled the results, which just happened to be owned and run by the Republicans. But we mustn't think that elections are stolen using just one trick. For one thing, that would be too obvious. Rather it's by a thousand cuts. Thus, for example, in both Ohio 2004 and Iowa 2020, polling/caucus locations were moved at the last minute - reportedly - in targetted ways to suppress one candidates strongholds. In Ohio 2004 recounts too were reportedly rigged, sometimes in very crude ways - eg stickers used to change votes so as to get the numbers 'right'. So we should assume that any Iowa recount would also be rigged. Supposedly one county has stepped forward and published, somehow, results that show a blazing discrepancy between the vote and delegate results they sent in and the ones the party hq counted. Hopefully more will do this.

Posted by: paul | Feb 6 2020 11:18 utc | 170

Ding dong... Biohazard waste boxes found buried inside evacuated Wuhan US Consulate goes the claim. What do you make of it?

According to the video, a couple of plastic containers marked with bio-hazard symbols were found on the premises of the US consulate in Wuhan. The containers were wrapped in two layers of tarp and buried 1.5 meters under the ground. Chinese authorities did a search once the consulate was completely evacuated by the US.


Who'd have thought that the US had a consulate in Wuhan. Well, apparently they do. It's a small one though, in terms of staff, according to their website. However, we have to remember that as recently as October, a large delegation of US military personnel was in Wuhan on the occasion of the 2019 Military World Games (like the Olympics, but for the military). Sounds like the perfect cover to me.

It would sound unbelievable to pull such a thing of, but so did playing dirty games with poisonous chemicals in an English small town or staging an abominable play with corpses for props in a Damascus suburb.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 6 2020 11:18 utc | 171

The Boeing 737 in Istanbul broke into three pieces.
In the ten year old al-Jazeera documentary on the flaws of Boeing production of the 737 there is an animation,repeated a few times,that shows where are fitted the badly manufactured pieces of the core.They are there to keep the three pieces together.Maybe engineers could compare the photographs of the broken plane,with this animation.It is also said that several accidents have seen breaking the plane in the same manner,and it would be a question of time before we will witness a breaking airplane in the air.
I think any body who has family flying should watch this documentary,and warn people about it.

Posted by: willie | Feb 6 2020 11:19 utc | 172

I am always impressed by the quality of b's information, but about Corona I disagree.
I see the enormous efforts in China. The 'leaked'video's from civilians, and I listened to Dr. Martensen's video updates.
Yes, the ordinary flew has much more deaths each year, as it is the way to die for older and weaker people. And we do not isolate the sick. If we do the same with 2019-nCoV (no isolation) at Ro= 4 and fatality of 6% the whole of China will be ill in 3 months, and 85 million will have died. One year later the world will have 450 million deaths, if we do no isolation and have no vaccin.
The worst part of the virus is that ill people do spread it before they know that they are ill.
Example: cruise ship with 3700 people. One man boarded on 20 january, left the ship on 25 january and fell ill on 1 febr.
The ship was kept in quarantaine and now 10 people have gotten ill: contaminated while the old man was still 'OK'. These 10 who are taken off the boat now have probably contaminated 100 people, who will become ill soon. After that the isolation between passengers has done its protective work, we may hope.
Also very alarming: Everywhere in the world ill people have been found, except in Africa and South America. I think the virus is spreading there, and these countries cannot organise 'isolation'.
It really looks bad.


Posted by: Hugo Jansen | Feb 6 2020 11:29 utc | 173

I have 3 blog-postings called 'Het Coronavirus' numbered 1, 2, 3.

There it is easy to find dr. Martensen's video's, plus a short summary ( in dutch).

This is the most informative one:

Posted by: Hugo Jansen | Feb 6 2020 11:35 utc | 174

On the myth of Erdoghan = Putin = Trump and In Turkey post #161 above, I posted this retort three threads ago (Syrian Army Progress Leads To New Scuffle Between Turkey And Russia) and the turkish mouse is still squeaking so tolerate me reposting it here.

A small addition to your insistence that turkey invaded Idlib etc... The full picture needs to be appreciated. Syria has been at war on numerous fronts. At the time of the attempted turkish annexation of Idlib, Syrian army was fully stretched retaking the East at Deir Ezzor and the south at Darra along the Golan border and relieving the pressure on Damascus. Given the belligerent neighbours to the south and west - Jordan and Israel - and turkey to the north and north west, they chose to secure the South first as the Northern belligerent was partly 'in the camp'.

It is in the context of achievability and resources that Syria made that strategic decision. Plus working with Russia to have somewhere to accommodate the terrorist close to their least capable ally. Had Syria taken Idlib first and sent the terrorists South they would have been fully in the arms and support of USA and its Jordanian and Israeli vassals.

Assad acts in order to protect the Syrian people as best he can with the limited military capability that he has. He will protect the capitol as would any sensible leader and his persistent work with the Russian 'deconflit strategy' has worked well while he maintains his military strategy of gradual liberation and minimal soldiers deaths.

Erdoghan on the other hand is acting out a different military strategy (somewhat like the invading wehrmacht) and opening many fronts, one far from home and across vulnerable seas.

The rout in Idlib may well happen quickly, I have no idea but if exit fever grips the jihadis in Idlib then Erdoghan may be well advised to give them all safe passage to Libya - IF he can. He is trapped by strong political challengers emerging at home, powerful turkish chauvinism that will not tolerate more land being ceded to 'foreigners from the east' let alone vicious killer refugees. And he is trapped by his Moslem Brotherhood expectation of success which he MUST achieve. Otherwise the garrote awaits him.

He has just been conned by the USA who's only goal is to prevent his full use of the S400 in turkey. The USA will go to extremes to prevent that weapon system being installed and rendered operational anywhere. His citizens will not be entirely happy with that capitulation as it paints a picture of failure.

IMO Erdoghan has found his Dien Bien Phu in Idlib AND Libya. It is only a matter of time before he is demised.

So much for that and I will add that Erdoghan's absolute obligation under that agreement was to demilitarise 20 kilometers within that Idlib province to prevent continuous conflict while resettlement of refugees proceeded. Erdoghan did not comply, he resupplied the terrorist goons, he set up 'observation posts' that were radio monitoring installations and informed the terrorist goons of military and civilian activities in the Syrian liberated zones. He enabled repetitive drone attacks on the Russian airbase in Latakia.

Clearly Erdoghan is no one's ally but he is certainly a menace against humanity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 11:40 utc | 175

Scotch Bingeington #171

Thank you.

If the USA has a consulate in Wuhan then I would propose that there is no further need for the consulate in Hong Kong. The Chinese government would be wise to notify the USA of the immediate closure of the HK consulate accreditation and request them to relocate to their approved consulate in Wuhan. It certainly is much closer to the heart of China.

As for the biohazard discovery I will watch with an eagle eye.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 11:51 utc | 176

I've been speaking about the "Japanification" phenomenon for a while here. Now I finally have a colleague in this regard:

Preventing the 'Japanification' of East Asia's economies

I disagree with the rest of her op-ed, though (indeed, her first suggestion would only make the Japanification problem worse).


This is new...

Japan's problem? Too much competition

Whoa! There's too much competition! This is bad for capitalism! You read it on the newspaper! Spread the word!

I noticed most commenters here in this blog a are middle classers from First World countries. Here's my advice for you: ideology is a fabrication of the middle class. The rich don't need it because they can do whatever they please; the poor don't need it because they have nothing to lose.

You can be middle class; just don't be a sucker by acting like a cheap ideologue/priest on the internet.

Posted by: vk | Feb 6 2020 12:02 utc | 177

Snake@167 and everyone else

Not sure what you mean. Having lived and worked in China I can tell you the people there (non elite) are totally clueless. Whats more the intelligent people among them know this and desperately seek information that they are denied from censorship. They are living in a dystopian society that makes Orwells 1984 look like utopia.

China as we see it today is a Made in Anglo-USA production, as is the EU and Russia. Actually by Anglo- USA I mean an Anglo—USA-Israeli elitist creation .

One has to discard the 2 dimension thought process we have been conditioned to accept via Hegelian propaganda. . This is a 3 dimensional world, driven by top down forces. Left-right, east-west, etc is all nonsense. The elite at the top of the 3D pyramid manipulate the Hegelian debate to a predetermined synthesis

While the elite are not united, being divided by global zionism and green fascism as the ultimate endpoint, they are united in their consensus the future will not include democracy, equality or freedom. This is a religion, in fact a crusade, the elites vs the non-elites.

Heed my words or the end of history will be imminent. I will speak no more on the matter.

Fortunately, as an old man dealing with cancer and kidney failure, and no children, I witness events without anxiety. I cant help but to root for the little people, but my moneys on the elite (not that I have much to bet)

Good luck. God bless.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 12:08 utc | 178

@37 Nick

From your link.
"He left the old establishment in its entrenched positions in the economy, army, and the state" ...sure he did, that's why he kicked out (I mean holocausted) the jews out right? because he left them all in power.

Expects to get the truth about Hitler and Germany from a bolshevik "professor" in a commie "university" named "Schoenbaum" hahahahaha

Posted by: Nothing | Feb 6 2020 12:21 utc | 179

China is neither neo-liberal nor neo-Marxist - it is China. Neo-Confucianism is nearer to the mark,

""We should nurture and practice core socialist values, foster the traditional virtues of the Chinese nation and love both family and the country," said Xi, who is also general secretary of the Communist Party of China Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission.

The president urged the people to integrate their personal and family dreams with the Chinese Dream of national rejuvenation.

"We should pool the wisdom and strength of more than 1.3 billion Chinese people in more than 400 million households to strive for the great success of socialism with Chinese characteristics for a new era and realize the Chinese Dream of national rejuvenation," he said."

"Xi has stressed the importance of family bonds, family love and family values in his speeches in recent years.

While addressing the annual Spring Festival greetings on Jan 26, 2017, Xi called on the nation to love families and friends. Love should reach to every family and bring warmth to all Chinese like a spring breeze blowing across the nation, he said.

"The Chinese people have always valued love and high morality," Xi said. He urged people not to neglect their families, comrades and loved ones, no matter how busy they are in their work.

In his Lunar New Year greetings on Feb 17, 2015, Xi stressed family bonds and family education.

Xi said that Chinese traditions and virtues of family harmony and affection should not be forgotten so as to ensure that the young grow up healthily and senior citizens are taken care of.

"Family is the basic cell of society and the first school of our life," Xi said. No matter how time has changed, the family value, family education and family building must be stressed so that the millions of families become important points for national development, ethnical progress and social harmony, he added.

The president has highlighted the importance of family and stressed family bonds, family values and family education on many occasions."

Posted by: clickkid | Feb 6 2020 12:36 utc | 180

VK, VR and karlof1 (perhaps to a lesser extent but maybe not) present a hagiographical reductionist form of Marx's historical dialectical process of the stages of capitalism giving way to socialism in some future China.

What they fail to connect from Marx and Lenin is the role of class struggle by the working classes to achieve ultimate supremacy over the bourgeois.

Here they present a dreamworldly China marching surehandedly to the socialist phase through a bloodless, classless construct of a benevolent communist hierarchy. Class struggle, what class struggle?

No the reality is the Chinese "communist" hierarchy exults in financial markets, its nouveau riche build real estate and manufacturing empires through intensely leveraged liquidity meted out by the state to those favoured "entrepreneurs", the Party that long ago opened its doors to multinational corporations which thrives to this day on the exploitation of the Chinese working class then passes the rewards onto the globalist shareholder class, including this very Chinese hierarchy and their extremely fortunate families.

China presents a profoundly imperialist foreign policy to further exploit third world nations resources and working class labor and yet this too is pure benevolence in service to mankind.

And simply because they call themselves "socialist" and can augur back to a now mythical Maoist past both VK and VR confidently predict that at some magical future moment this supposedly benevolent bourgeois caste will decide to flip a switch and the massive wealth inequality will disappear, the bourgeoisie will be self- destructed and replaced by working class rule?

That inside China no class struggle will be required because the state has somehow merged its overt neoliberalism with an unseen, hidden hand of communist political ideology?


Posted by: donkeytale | Feb 6 2020 12:38 utc | 181

so what inturkey, erdogan already switched sides on the kurds, don't act like he was irrevocably committed to the jihadis. you're still trying to prop up your bullshit about putin=erdogan=trump, and failing.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 6 2020 12:47 utc | 182

i just threw up a little. in my mouth.

that guy gets more smoke blown up his ass than an australian firefighter...while this guy gets ejected:

maybe he'll get a sweet committee spot out of it in a few years.

Posted by: the pair | Feb 6 2020 12:48 utc | 183

pfft the fossil fuel company propaganda interferes with heeding your words. green fascism my ass.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 6 2020 12:48 utc | 184

paul @ 170

Very true and I will add to those points. Ralph Nader took a bunch of heat for running third party and allegedly drawing enough votes away from Gore to get Bush elected. The left pilloried Nader over allegedly drawing enough votes from Gore getting Bush elected.

Whether true or not it was a well played out narrative that was used to discourage a third party run. If true then the NEOCONS would have been out of power and we may have avoided the post 911 wars. It could have been one of the "death by 1000 cuts" that you describe.

Bernie views Trumpenstein as an existential threat the the world. This may play into his thinking.

Posted by: dltravers | Feb 6 2020 12:55 utc | 185

@ Posted by: donkeytale | Feb 6 2020 12:38 utc | 182

The CCP literally fought two brutal and total wars (civil; Japanese invasion and occupation of Manchuria), and you tell me there wasn't class struggle?

The production process the Japanese imposed in China is, until today, the most pure form of class exploitation (the coolies system). It made slavery in Southern USA look like a five-star hotel. The system was so brutal and cruel even Marx used the term "Chinese wages" to designate wages paid below the rate of subsistence of the worker.

The USA supported the Kuomintang until it possibly could. It was only after a lot of clusterfucks and the crescent urgence to defeat the Japanese on land that the Americans finally caved in and begun to give weapons (never money) to the CCP. And even that only lasted until the end of WWII; after that, support for the Han Supremacists (Kuomintang) resumed - until they were militarily defeated in 1949. Even after they were defeated, the Americans still supported them by stationing the 7th Fleet in the Strait of Taiwan, thus making what we know today as the other China viable. Make no mistake: Taiwan is an American fabrication; it only exists because the USN exists and wants Taiwan to exist. Isn't it a global manifestation of class struggle?

China wasn't given on a silver plate to the Communists. They had to fight for it.

Pompeo has just made another speech calling the CCP "the greatest threat of our times". Bannon, in 2017 (when Trump took office), stated he "wasn't against the Chinese people, but against the CCP". China officially calls themselves socialists; the congresses of the CCP systematically reinforce their Marxist nature. And all of this is not just rhetoric: China's economic system is indeed very different from the capitalist one. They've lifted more than 500 million people from poverty - just look to the dismal state of India if you want to compare.

Your middle class, provincian pedantry may not consider China socialist, but the global capitalist elites certainly do.

Posted by: vk | Feb 6 2020 12:56 utc | 186


I agree with a great deal of what you say.

China is a very different system. It is a threat to the neo-liberal west because it shows that there is a successful alternative. Absolutely!

I consider it to be a blend of socialism and confucianism - 'Socialism with Chinese characteristics"

Chinese culture has never accepted the primacy of the individual over soociety.

There's a quote from Dr Joseph Needham I'm trying to remember. He wrote that massive multi-volume study of Chinese science. It goes something like:

"Chinese civilization, in contrast to the West, has never accepted that there is a conflict between the individual and society or between man and nature, but has sought to integrate, realizing that the individual only fulfills himself in society, and that man is a part of nature"

Posted by: clickkid | Feb 6 2020 13:13 utc | 187

vk | Feb 6 2020 12:56 utc | 187 vk I agree. I would add though a fragment I remember from reading Stillwell's bio..That at one point the CCP offered to place Stillwell in charge of the CCP army. Circumstances can demand odd action, I suppose. At that time I would speculate that Stillwell was not precisely aligned by Policy as understood in DC (he wrote with a wry grin). It may have been in this>

Stilwell and the American Experience in China, 1911-1945 [Barbara W. Tuchman]

True? I have no idea.

(I'd bet that Ru is on the way to, after the empire retreats, becoming a socialist democracy...Ah see the gleam in Comrade Vlad's eye...)

Posted by: Walter | Feb 6 2020 13:16 utc | 188

The educational system in Iowa (and by extension the USofA) is an additional source of muck up for the "pork state". (Production of pork in Iowa is triple that of it's nearest competitor state.)

"After an app created by a Democratic digital firm botched the Iowa caucus results, the 1,678 precincts across the state resorted to awarding delegates using a "Caucus Math Worksheet," causing significant delays in reporting.

The worksheet requires caucus workers perform basic multiplication and division, and then round the results up or down.

Unfortunately, Iowa Democrats are apparently terrible at math and rounding, as journalist and co-founder of Smart Elections, Lulu Friesdat, reveals that 30% of the worksheets she examined contained errors.

The kicker, "If 30% of 1678 precincts have an extra delegate assigned this way, it could be approximately 500 delegates. Buttigieg is currently leading Sanders by 18 delegates."

Posted by: librul | Feb 6 2020 13:33 utc | 189

well, on second thought, the foam spitting Dems of 2020 are doing what they learned from the REPS back in 2000, in Florida.
In the awfully famous Florida count hoax by CAtherine Harris... which had the Dems as victims.
Now the ridiculous demist leaders in IOWA do the same in a smaller case. One hopes that framing the DEMS themselves as victims.
Hard to accept?
Well just wait for the next Putin intervention, because in the headlines this is inevitable.

Posted by: augusto | Feb 6 2020 13:41 utc | 190

@BM #157

400 dead in a single city in two weeks is not a “normal bog-standard flu”. Saying that “2019-nCoV is NOT a medical incident at all” is just as nonsensical as claiming that it will wipe out all of humanity. Let’s be realistic, please.’s 2019-nCoV statistics for China:
1. The first graph shows cumulative patients (red = infected, purple = suspected of being infected, black = deceased, yellow = recovered).
2. The second graph zooms on deceased/recovered patients only.
3. The third graph shows new infected/suspected patients for each day.
4. The fourth graph shows data specifically for Wuhan.

Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 13:42 utc | 191

Posted by: librul | Feb 6 2020 13:33 utc | 190

well, librul, this is the standard I wondered about:
We're sure Sanders will say nothing and 'let it happen' as he tends to do, though former Vice President Joe Biden may have a thing or two to say after his monumental defeat.

The real man/hero showing backbone by facing off the evil out there. Inside and Outside? Were have the heroes gone?

Otherwise admittedly, without taking a close look my basic position is: Was Shadow, nevermind the name*, meant to launch a product that cannot be ignored in the future. Adding all those nice to have features but apart from solid project management oversight were not that good in testing matters? Did they buy the creaters apart from their product too? Who where they?

* Shadow could well have been chosen to signify the fact that they intended to take the pulse of US voters nationwide.

Posted by: Vig | Feb 6 2020 13:54 utc | 192

For those into the Boeing Clusterf*ck... this movie just came into my head... Not a bad movie on a winters day.

Posted by: Jayne | Feb 6 2020 13:55 utc | 193

ooops creators.

More curious though for me as outsider. Why would any serious American voter choose third parties. Apart in regional matters.

I am perplexed.

Posted by: Vig | Feb 6 2020 13:57 utc | 194

Posted by: dltravers | Feb 6 2020 12:55 utc | 186

"Bernie views Trumpenstein as an existential threat the the world. This may play into his thinking."

In which case he'd be the same as any other Trump-Deranged Any-Blue-Will-Do moron, when the whole point is to transcend the fear-mongering of the moment and work for great affirmative transformations for tomorrow. That's what movement-building would entail.

Oh well. I've noticed that the Sheep-Dog explanation of Bernie's record is getting competition from the theory that he's like Corbyn - sincere but stupid and cowardly.

I suppose either theory explains the evidence equally well, and one would make the same predictions based on either. So in the end they're the same.

Posted by: Russ | Feb 6 2020 14:04 utc | 195

@Scotch Bingeington #171
@uncle tungsten #176

It’s a hoax.

Here’s some stock footage of biohazard containers. And here’s the publication that started the hoax (machine translation). Notice the similarity? Panorama is a Russian satirical website posing as a news agency, kinda like The Onion, except very few people know about Panorama—even in Russia—and its satire is more subtle, which results in its jokes being routinely spread far and wide, despite the words “Сатирическое издание” (Satirical outlet) being part of its logo. It’s true that there is a U.S. consulate in Wuhan, but it’s located in an office tower—there’s no land to bury any containers in.

Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 14:07 utc | 196

I'm surprised by how many commenters here still fall for the old Western fascination with stereotype of the Exotic East full of treacherous mysteries (a preconception we inherited from the Romans).

If you read the Chinese MSM (in Mandarin, not the English version), you'll quickly see the the most harsh critics of the situation is the Chinese government itself. And they aren't burying those at the bottom of their pages, nor are they mincing any words: they straight up admitted they screwed up in the headlines.

The Chinese people is not in the dark about the coronavirus situation. And the Chinese government do consider this epidemic as "very serious". Just because you think you can win doesn't mean you don't think it will be easy.

Posted by: vk | Feb 6 2020 14:10 utc | 197

James 114

" he is a life long dem or something insane like that? for me he would have a lot more integrity if he had have run as an independent.."

Sanders is a life-long independent. That may be part of the reason why the Dems will not let him into their tent. If he wants to run as the Dem candidate perhaps he should join that party. If he wants to remain independent, perhaps he should start the independent Party and run as its candidate.
BTW there is an "Inddependent Party in Mass. So Bernie's Party I think would have to be called US Independent Party.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 6 2020 14:21 utc | 198

@William Gruff Comment 65

The CCP is attempting to downplay the deaths in the short run. They don't care about the long run as they are in panic mode at the moment.
Videos of bagged bodies lying around are out there. Crematorium workers have been interviewed.
I guess this is just too hard to believe until the MSM chimes in and ok's it.

Posted by: dorje | Feb 6 2020 14:23 utc | 199

Thank you, clickkid for your posts, and particularly for the emphasis by Xi on family. That is where so much of the talk about political philosophies sounds empty. Both China and Russia have resurrected this emphasis - see Putin's New Year address.

I am heartened that these two countries have such good leadership.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 6 2020 14:29 utc | 200

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