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February 5, 2020
Open Thread 2020-09
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This essay penned over 10 years ago describes what’s known as the Gold Standard for safeguarding the integrity of elections. Here’s the crux: @ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 29 Posted by: Really?? | Feb 6 2020 0:42 utc | 102 @ Jen | Feb 5 2020 22:06 utc | 78, / foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:45 utc | 83 Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 6 2020 0:44 utc | 103 Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 0:01 utc | 99. Posted by: Walter | Feb 6 2020 0:45 utc | 104 Biologist Michael Farzan of Scripps Research was part of the team that identified the structure of the “spike protein” by which SARS enters human cells. Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 0:46 utc | 105 Hand counted ballots a good idea? Of course, the 2000 chad tainted Presidential election (theft) proved that. 20 years from now computers will obtain our votes from our brain waves. Hard to recount them, but a sure way for the elite to control who wins. Lol Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 0:51 utc | 106 @ karlof1 | Feb 6 2020 0:39 utc | 101 Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 6 2020 0:58 utc | 107 blues @68, re asymptomatic carriers. Posted by: Really?? | Feb 6 2020 1:03 utc | 108 Is Bernie a Sheepdog in 2020?
This is the conclusion from The Polemicist (though unfortunately placed in an addendum) which provides a surprisingly even-handed and well-informed analysis of “Bernie”. He cites (literally) “The Good”, “The Bad”, and “The Ugly”.
!! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 6 2020 1:44 utc | 109 Hand counted ballots a good idea? Of course, the 2000 chad tainted Presidential election (theft) proved that. Posted by: snake | Feb 6 2020 2:04 utc | 110 @Jen #82:
Photo 1 – Waad Al-Kateab, author of For Sama, her husband Hamza Al-Kateab and their daughter Sama at the BAFTA award ceremony after receiving the Best Documentary award. Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 2:19 utc | 111 Take a look at this video below that’s on twitter. This is why Buttigieg is the chosen one for the Dem side, because 2/3 of the average voter don’t know he’s gay and married to a man. So if he makes it to the general, when they start running ads of him kissing and holding hands with his husband; folks like the woman in the video are going to drop him like a hot potato and either gonna stay home or vote for Trump, cause Trump is the Zionist Chosen one and Buttigieg is the chosen foil. Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 2:34 utc | 112 circe – pure entertainment on my part, but i never saw a direct response from you to wg.. care to comment? from the thread Putin Prepares To Release Iowa Caucus Results Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 2:43 utc | 113 @ 92 bevin.. thanks for sharing your viewpoint on the topic of ”is bernie a sheepdog?” i have not used that term myself, but we all know who has and continues to use it regularly.. i think i understand what the term is supposed to mean – someone is who running as a spoiler for someone else or something like that.. i have never thought that about saunders, but i can see how someone might see it that way… Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 2:48 utc | 114 HRC and the DNC’s hands are all over this Iowa SNAFU. Can’t link right now, but this was reported on Democracy Now, on 2/5. Shadow, the group that built the non-working apt, has connections to HRC and the winning candidate. Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 2:56 utc | 115 Try this link; Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 3:06 utc | 116 @115; The candidate I referred to is Pete Buttigieg… Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 3:13 utc | 117 Such august company. 65 , I thank you for your good sense. But i caution you. The anecdotal evidence of cover up will take a while to filter out, given state controls. State officials don,t care about next month …they have to lie this day, hoping it will all come out in the wash after this panic is over ….. Posted by: James sullivan | Feb 6 2020 3:46 utc | 119 Such august company. 65 , I thank you for your good sense. But i caution you. The anecdotal evidence of cover up will take a while to filter out, given state controls. State officials don,t care about next month …they have to lie this day, hoping it will all come out in the wash after this panic is over ….. Posted by: James sullivan | Feb 6 2020 3:46 utc | 120 @113 james Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 4:22 utc | 121 From Greyzone; Posted by: ben | Feb 6 2020 4:36 utc | 122 james @114: i think i understand what the term is supposed to mean
The 2016 race went exactly as BAR had predicted. Bernie refused to attack Hillary on character issues (“Enough with your damn emails!”); had little to say about electoral manipulation and media bias; and ultimately endorsed Hillary – even after she disrespected him and his ‘base’ by bringing Debra-Wasserman Shultz into her campaign. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 6 2020 4:56 utc | 123 check out the NYTimes drone footage of Wuhan Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 5:18 utc | 124 I’m sorry, Circe, but it isn’t cynicism. A post above attempted to counter the sheepdog claim because Bernie is indeed sincere on all his hardhitting points and he is expending so much effort – but I remember my uncle’s best sheepdog, and what Bernie does is what a good sheepdog does – not to say he doesn’t hope his ‘master’ will take notice of how successful he is with the people and incorporate some concessions into the final outcome but it has to be said, and has been said by Bernie himself, that he indeed has a master. Posted by: juliania | Feb 6 2020 5:18 utc | 125 S @ 111: Posted by: Jen | Feb 6 2020 5:20 utc | 126 I was a in charge of a polling place in CA during the primary when Jesse Jackson ran. When the polls closed, it took us 20 minutes to count the ballots for the candidates. Had the system provided for it, we could have phoned the results in to a central location in one minute flat. Also, had the system provided for it, we could have had observers to witness the count. Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 5:40 utc | 127 Open Thread 2020-09 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 6 2020 5:42 utc | 128 Buttigieg is going to slam into a wall in South Carolina; he’s not authentic and blacks are not buying his lip service. Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 5:59 utc | 129 The NYT drone footage is pretty blatant in its direction to readers/viewers as to how we’re meant to react. They carefully tell us that it’s “like something out of an apocalyptic horror movie” and add a soundtrack to match. Posted by: Hope | Feb 6 2020 6:04 utc | 130 It seems Bernie Sanders blew a big chance to aggressively promote his victory at the Iowa caucus and let establishment favourite Pete Buttigieg pull a Juan Guido and declare himself the winner before voting results had been publicly released (and said results later clearly showed Sanders, not Buttigieg, was the winner). Unfortunately, Sanders stayed quiet and let Buttman’s bullshit go unchallenged in the media.
Posted by: Daniel | Feb 6 2020 6:10 utc | 131 AntiSpin – Re: Posted by: AntiSpin | Feb 2 2020 19:37 utc | 26 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 6 2020 6:10 utc | 132 Circe #129 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 6:19 utc | 133 thanks circe! Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 6:24 utc | 134 What do barflies make of the claims made here in the Sydney Morning Herald? For a conservative MSM broadsheet it’s a panicky forecasting that this Chinese shutdown is the trigger of the next big financial collapse. Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 6 2020 6:29 utc | 135 On Iowa caucus. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 6:30 utc | 136 b – you nailed it… Posted by: james | Feb 6 2020 6:32 utc | 137 Patroklos #135 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 6:34 utc | 138 I should add too that my Australian university is debating delaying the start of semester 1. Over 20% of the university market here depends on Chinese students who are banned from entering Australia, and 25% of tourism consists of Chinese tour-groups. One can only imagine the dependent sectors caught up in this. It really doesn’t matter much about the truth of this virus one way or the other when the cash-supply drys up completely. The consequences will be serious. Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 6 2020 6:37 utc | 139 Another author confirms the occurrence of the typical “similar event or warning” preceding advent of the Corona Virus: Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 6:38 utc | 140 Trailer Trash & Walter @9,12 & 13 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 6 2020 6:39 utc | 141 The latest returns from Iowa with 96% precincts reporting Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 6:41 utc | 142 Oops, sorry. Forgot the source on #140: It’s https://www.voltairenet.org/article209126.html Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 6:42 utc | 143 Posted by: Penelope | Feb 6 2020 5:40 utc | 127 Posted by: JC | Feb 6 2020 6:48 utc | 144 I have to wonder when China will decide it no longer wants to accept the endless stream of digital currency (created by simply adding more and more zeros to the end of the Federal Reserve balance books) in exchange for its goods and services? It’s not like they don’t have internal markets and, of course, the Belt Road Initiative. Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 6:49 utc | 145 @Jen #126: The photos are from this post by Russian blogger Boris Rozhin: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5616959.html. I presume he found them on Twitter. Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 6:50 utc | 146 Only a small heads-up: I’ve noticed instances of the “US”/”western” propaganda apparatus misusing the term “false flag” in nonsensical ways to corrupt it, including by “experts”, “veterans”, people who portray themselves or who are portrayed by others as authoritative and so on. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 6 2020 6:53 utc | 147 Anyone remember Julia Skripal and the ‘poisoned door knobs’ affair. Posted by: Ric G | Feb 6 2020 7:05 utc | 148 karlof1 @87 Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 6 2020 7:07 utc | 149 vk @89 Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 6 2020 7:09 utc | 150 Perimetr @ 145
Posted by: pogohere | Feb 6 2020 7:10 utc | 151 I may have to reappraise my opinion of Shia-Sunni ability to cooperate. Posted by: necromancer | Feb 6 2020 7:14 utc | 152 Really? #102
Hiking trips and limited vacations for Nazi party members ≠ ≠ “extensive welfare state” or any of the rest except for “vacation options”….for a decent rundown by an actual historian, I recommend this article. Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 6 2020 7:17 utc | 153 Some idle thought on the Buttigieg for Biden swap routine: Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 7:19 utc | 154 STANDPUNKTE – The war alternative. A fake called AfD: antisocial & militaristic Posted by: arosa2 | Feb 6 2020 7:20 utc | 155 On the failed impeachment topic, someone sent me this article. Wouldn’t have even registered for a read if not for the fact that it references the failure of the Roman Empire. Thought some of the barflies might get a laugh or have something interesting to say. Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 6 2020 7:22 utc | 156 Science: Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed
In other words, it’s really just a normal bog-standard flu and nothing more – or maybe even less! Fatalities are infinitesimal, compared to the population of the country most affected. If Drosten’s claim is true, then the number infected in China (but so mildly that not detected) would be massively greater than the twenty-something thousand confirmed cases, making the true fatality rate even lower still. Most of the deaths are from elderly people already immune-compromised by another illness, and every bog-standard strain of flu is fatal in some people especially elderly people with compromised immune systems. Posted by: BM | Feb 6 2020 7:23 utc | 157 All: Posted by: Mister Wiggles | Feb 6 2020 7:28 utc | 158 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 5:18 utc | 124 Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 7:57 utc | 159 casey@44 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Feb 6 2020 8:22 utc | 160 @karlof1 98 Posted by: J Swift | Feb 6 2020 9:10 utc | 161 yes hand counted paper ballots are the best solution, as florida, with the choicepoint manipulation of a flawed database to disqualify up to 100k legitimate voters, proved. unfortunately the supreme court stopped the counting process. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 6 2020 9:27 utc | 162 https://www.georgemjames.com/blog/macron-buttigieg-and-juan-gauido-venezuela I am wondering who is behind these people. They came from nowhere and yet are supported to the hilt by those in power. Odd. I cannot help but be suspicious. Time will tell. GMJ uncle tungsten @133 Posted by: Circe | Feb 6 2020 9:57 utc | 164 bevin @ 92 Posted by: dltravers | Feb 6 2020 9:59 utc | 165 Cerce @ 165 Posted by: mark2 | Feb 6 2020 10:55 utc | 166 They [the Chinese] now have an excuse not to honor the trade deal which was so one sided there must have been some unhappiness internally pft @159.. I think you hit the nail on the head.. China is about to roll out its new digital currency, it d/n need to lose its trade with outsiders, and it does not want its secret to get out, also its about to announce advanced innervation in quantum processor technology.. , I believe its resident population is fully prepared to suffer the consequences of foregoing trade with the west. ..it seems from what I could understand, that Chinese people willingly sacrifice their present circumstances for the benefit of future generations. Several Chinese persons have told me privately, it is endemic among Chinese residents to find ways to decouple from the USD the state must have nearly full support for this? Posted by: snake | Feb 6 2020 11:05 utc | 167 @ Bevin 92 Posted by: oglalla | Feb 6 2020 11:06 utc | 168 Circ #165 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 11:09 utc | 169 The situation with Sanders reminds me a little of Kerry in 2004. Kerry refused to acknowledge that the 2004 election had been stolen until a recent memoire. Presumably some years in the future Sanders will aver that he was hosed twice. The role played in Iowa this week by the Shadow ‘app’ – essentially an in-house operation belonging to Buttegie – reminds me of the role played in Ohio in 2004 by the tabulator which compiled the results, which just happened to be owned and run by the Republicans. But we mustn’t think that elections are stolen using just one trick. For one thing, that would be too obvious. Rather it’s by a thousand cuts. Thus, for example, in both Ohio 2004 and Iowa 2020, polling/caucus locations were moved at the last minute – reportedly – in targetted ways to suppress one candidates strongholds. In Ohio 2004 recounts too were reportedly rigged, sometimes in very crude ways – eg stickers used to change votes so as to get the numbers ‘right’. So we should assume that any Iowa recount would also be rigged. Supposedly one county has stepped forward and published, somehow, results that show a blazing discrepancy between the vote and delegate results they sent in and the ones the party hq counted. Hopefully more will do this. Posted by: paul | Feb 6 2020 11:18 utc | 170 Ding dong… Biohazard waste boxes found buried inside evacuated Wuhan US Consulate goes the claim. What do you make of it? Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 6 2020 11:18 utc | 171 The Boeing 737 in Istanbul broke into three pieces. Posted by: willie | Feb 6 2020 11:19 utc | 172 I am always impressed by the quality of b’s information, but about Corona I disagree. Posted by: Hugo Jansen | Feb 6 2020 11:29 utc | 173 I have 3 blog-postings called ‘Het Coronavirus’ numbered 1, 2, 3. Posted by: Hugo Jansen | Feb 6 2020 11:35 utc | 174 On the myth of Erdoghan = Putin = Trump and In Turkey post #161 above, I posted this retort three threads ago (Syrian Army Progress Leads To New Scuffle Between Turkey And Russia) and the turkish mouse is still squeaking so tolerate me reposting it here.
So much for that and I will add that Erdoghan’s absolute obligation under that agreement was to demilitarise 20 kilometers within that Idlib province to prevent continuous conflict while resettlement of refugees proceeded. Erdoghan did not comply, he resupplied the terrorist goons, he set up ‘observation posts’ that were radio monitoring installations and informed the terrorist goons of military and civilian activities in the Syrian liberated zones. He enabled repetitive drone attacks on the Russian airbase in Latakia. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 11:40 utc | 175 Scotch Bingeington #171 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2020 11:51 utc | 176 I’ve been speaking about the “Japanification” phenomenon for a while here. Now I finally have a colleague in this regard: Snake@167 and everyone else Posted by: Pft | Feb 6 2020 12:08 utc | 178 @37 Nick Posted by: Nothing | Feb 6 2020 12:21 utc | 179 China is neither neo-liberal nor neo-Marxist – it is China. Neo-Confucianism is nearer to the mark, Posted by: clickkid | Feb 6 2020 12:36 utc | 180 VK, VR and karlof1 (perhaps to a lesser extent but maybe not) present a hagiographical reductionist form of Marx’s historical dialectical process of the stages of capitalism giving way to socialism in some future China. Posted by: donkeytale | Feb 6 2020 12:38 utc | 181 so what inturkey, erdogan already switched sides on the kurds, don’t act like he was irrevocably committed to the jihadis. you’re still trying to prop up your bullshit about putin=erdogan=trump, and failing. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 6 2020 12:47 utc | 182 https://www.npr.org/2020/02/05/802850223/venezuelan-opposition-leader-juan-guaid-inspires-rare-bipartisan-moment Posted by: the pair | Feb 6 2020 12:48 utc | 183 pfft the fossil fuel company propaganda interferes with heeding your words. green fascism my ass. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 6 2020 12:48 utc | 184 paul @ 170 Posted by: dltravers | Feb 6 2020 12:55 utc | 185 @ Posted by: donkeytale | Feb 6 2020 12:38 utc | 182 vk, Posted by: clickkid | Feb 6 2020 13:13 utc | 187 vk | Feb 6 2020 12:56 utc | 187 vk I agree. I would add though a fragment I remember from reading Stillwell’s bio..That at one point the CCP offered to place Stillwell in charge of the CCP army. Circumstances can demand odd action, I suppose. At that time I would speculate that Stillwell was not precisely aligned by Policy as understood in DC (he wrote with a wry grin). It may have been in this> Posted by: Walter | Feb 6 2020 13:16 utc | 188 The educational system in Iowa (and by extension the USofA) is an additional source of muck up for the “pork state”. (Production of pork in Iowa is triple that of it’s nearest competitor state.) Posted by: librul | Feb 6 2020 13:33 utc | 189 well, on second thought, the foam spitting Dems of 2020 are doing what they learned from the REPS back in 2000, in Florida. @BM #157 Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 13:42 utc | 191 Posted by: librul | Feb 6 2020 13:33 utc | 190 Posted by: Vig | Feb 6 2020 13:54 utc | 192 For those into the Boeing Clusterf*ck… this movie just came into my head… Not a bad movie on a winters day. Posted by: Jayne | Feb 6 2020 13:55 utc | 193 ooops creators. Posted by: Vig | Feb 6 2020 13:57 utc | 194 Posted by: dltravers | Feb 6 2020 12:55 utc | 186 @Scotch Bingeington #171 Posted by: S | Feb 6 2020 14:07 utc | 196 I’m surprised by how many commenters here still fall for the old Western fascination with stereotype of the Exotic East full of treacherous mysteries (a preconception we inherited from the Romans). James 114 Posted by: Really?? | Feb 6 2020 14:21 utc | 198 @William Gruff Comment 65 Posted by: dorje | Feb 6 2020 14:23 utc | 199 Thank you, clickkid for your posts, and particularly for the emphasis by Xi on family. That is where so much of the talk about political philosophies sounds empty. Both China and Russia have resurrected this emphasis – see Putin’s New Year address. Posted by: juliania | Feb 6 2020 14:29 utc | 200 |
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