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February 05, 2020

Open Thread 2020-09

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Posted by b on February 5, 2020 at 16:06 UTC | Permalink

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Brother Thierry says disquieting things to-day.
The interpretation of the Shoah, Thierry Meyssan Voltaire net

but speaking of obliterating folks it has been pointed out that W76-2 has gone to sea. To the assumes Captain Ivan Kaputski is in their baffles.

The USS Tennessee (SSBN-734) at sea. The Tennessee is believed to have deployed on an operational patrol in late 2019, the first SSBN to deploy with new low-yield W76-2 warhead.

Mind the old fella of the movies... see "Blazing Saddles - Nobody move or ... @ YT (quite brief and to the point.)

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 16:14 utc | 1

I've been 'silent' for, soon, 1 month now.
You-*b', have my utmost respect.
I'm, pretty good at 'judging'...people.
Continue your...impartial & poignant, work.
Best Regards X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 5 2020 16:28 utc | 2

My take on things is that this Wuhan corona virus has a potential to become Apocalyptic. I don't like what I am seeing now.

Posted by: blues | Feb 5 2020 16:36 utc | 3

@ blues... what is your speculative track record like??

Posted by: james | Feb 5 2020 16:51 utc | 4

This is going to appear weird to most readers. But there is no proof of the existence of any so-called pathogenic virus. Dr Stefan Lanka discovered a real non-pathogenic virus in the late 1980s, purified it and measured its diameter - about 150nm I think. He then discovered that the HIV-virus was never isolated / purified nor the measles virus, mumps virus etc.
Over the last 10 years I have contacted the relevant Irish authority - NVRL - National Virus Reference Laboratory - and have requested from them a scientific paper which demonstrates how the measles virus for example was purified and its diameter measured. Their response is "No Record Exists".
I do not know what is causing the deaths in China, but for sure it is not the Corona virus because it does not exist. If any of these viruses exist it would be possible to purify them and measure their diameter. Nobody has ever done this. B - as a native German -- research Dr Lanka and Dr Hamer. Alles gute dir James

Posted by: James McCumiskey | Feb 5 2020 17:00 utc | 5

Interesting media chart, showing MoA as politically balanced and distant from power/establishment (true!):

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 5 2020 17:01 utc | 6

Ignoring the reported 2019-nCoV #s for China (which are suspect) but taking into account reported #s only for countries outside China (and assumed to be reasonably accurate), the calculated death rate (1/212) as of this morning is (rounded up) .5%. Hardly Apocalyptic.

Posted by: Trisha | Feb 5 2020 17:02 utc | 7

@ Blues @3:

This morning on Canadian TV: Worldwide infected 24,0000, death toll in China 450, let's say 500

I found:
4 February 11:00 GMT — Cases in China pass 20,000, so 25,000 seems reasonable.
Then from CNN, 17 min ago (they are hardly conservative with numbers):

What we're covering here
The virus: The coronavirus outbreak has killed 492 people worldwide, the majority of which are in China, and infected more than 24,500 people across 25 countries over 30 days.

Some math:
fatality percent: 500/24500*100 = 2.04 % => really high mortality rate, almost as much as common flu.

populatin infected in China: 20000/16 billion = 0.002 % which proves that this is a horrible horrible unstoppable virus
In other countries a bit less, per this site

Australia 14, Germany 12, India 3, Malaysia 12, Singapore 28, South Korea 19, USA 11, Vietnam 10, Canada 4, Russia 2, UK 2, in total over 25 countries.

Percent countries where at least 1 case discovered: 25/195 = 13%, => really world wide spread.


So far chances of being infected are zilch. Why such a fuss? e had same fuss for SARS, then bird flue, nothing ever happened.

There must be agenda behind media induced panic.


Posted by: Zidar | Feb 5 2020 17:08 utc | 8

Another twin engine jet breaks apart on landing, this time in Turkey. Neither this article nor the one on CNN mention the manufacturer/model number...

No deaths, two dozen injuries reported.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 17:14 utc | 9

Resumen: U.S. soldiers and contractors raped at least 54 Colombian girls between 2003 and 2007 in this Latin American country, recorded most of these abuses on video and sold them as pornographic material, according to the “Report of the Historical Commission on the Conflict and its Victims”, prepared by the Colombian government and representatives of the FARC guerrillas in the framework during the peace negotiations.

Colombia Reports: Colombia’s contender at this year’s Miss Universe endorsed anti-government protests, abortion and peace in another painful jab at President Ivan Duque. Answering one of the questions, outgoing Miss Colombia Gabriela Tafur expressed her solidarity with the protests against Duque that have been ongoing since November 21.

Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 5 2020 17:17 utc | 10

Yesterday, Trump delivered a bombastic speech:

Trump delivers right-wing tirade against socialism in State of the Union address

In it, he said:

“In just three short years,” Trump declared, “we have shattered the mentality of American decline and we have rejected the downsizing of America’s destiny. We have totally rejected the downsizing,” he said. “We are moving forward at a pace that was unimaginable just a short time ago and we are never going back.”

Beautiful and powerful speech. Shame it is not true:

Trump’s trickle dries up

Well, Trump’s boast turned to dust in 2019. US GDP grew by 2.3% in 2019, well below President Trump’s promise of 3%+ growth. The most recent GDP number proved that the tax cuts championed by Trump had no sustained impact on US growth. Indeed , even the most optimistic forecasts see growth to stay well below 3% for the next few years.


Indeed, non-financial sector profits have fallen 25% since 2014! Trump’s corporate tax cuts helped post-tax profits for a while, but pre-tax profits have continued to fall.

Trump's speech is a classic fides militum (FIDES MILITVM) case, where the exact opposite of what he's stating is the truth. In this case, his speech reflects the world he thinks it should be over the world as it really is. It is dellusion disguised as reality, madness disguised as reason, up disguised as down.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 17:22 utc | 11

# 9 @ TT see "On A Wing and a Prayer" @ aljazeera on YT 737 N(f)G tend to break into several nice bits...they say. With testimonials.


But to voting, why not take a chance on the worst possible fink stooge verrater?

See V. Hugo "A Fight With a Cannon"...

Loose cannon can sink ship...

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 17:23 utc | 12

Seattle Times reports that "According to flight tracking website Flightradar24, the plane is a Boeing 737".

I *knew* it!

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 17:30 utc | 13

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 17:22 utc | 11

It is also the kind of speech that is likely to get him re-elected. It's not enough to have a lot of nice ideas, you have to get elected. Sanders mealy-mouthed response to the latest ripoff, does not give one encouragement about him taking on Trump.

Posted by: SteveK9 | Feb 5 2020 17:31 utc | 14

I'm not so sure that the Coronavirus is so innocuous as some would have us think, simply becuase of the way China has reacted to it. Why quarantine tens of millions if it is no big deal? Do you trust China to provide accurate statistics if they are seeing a huge fatality rate with a highly infections organism?

Zerohedge has posted an article showing that there was a "mistaken" post showing much more serious numbers, which indicated a 16% fatality rate. With a high R0 value and an airborne pathogen, that reportedly has shown transmission via fomites (spreads through touching of contaminated surfaces), this would be approach the lethality of the organism portrayed in the movie "Contagion".

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:32 utc | 15

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 17:22 utc | @11

after murdering Soleimani, i no longer take Trump seriously, regardless of what he says or does. and regardless of a second term, which he will probs win.

Posted by: gushn | Feb 5 2020 17:36 utc | 16

You can expect any government to lie about disasters like this.

For example, the Soviets hid the extent of the disaster at Chernobyl initially, and then later made it illegal for physicians to diagnose radiation-related illnesses (some physcians used special language or coding that would identify patients in this category).

Japan blatantly lied about the meltdown/meltthrough of the nuclear readtors at Fukushima While the Japanese government used US DOE software to track the radiation plume as it drifted over Tokyo, it was simultaneously telling its citizens that there was no danger.

The US still classifies its data on fallout from Nevada nuclear tests, although you can find it here and here

Do you think China would be any different in this situation?

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:40 utc | 17

I was referring to the Coronavirus in my post #17

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:41 utc | 18

The one thing that would scare China the most, I think, is if the virus was infectious before symptoms appear. A virus able to spread wholly undetected can be a nasty piece of work, specially one that's seemingly a new addition to our species' ills, because we don't have any innate immunity around for the time being - if things go badly, a big chunk of the total population can get infected.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 17:44 utc | 19

Mossad playing both sides in the Ukrainian conflict: (?)

wiki source:

Lev Parnas,

Parnas was born in Odessa, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, in 1972 to a Jewish family.[6][7] His family brought him at the age of three to the U.S., first to Detroit, and then a year later to Brooklyn. He was a student at Brooklyn College and Baruch College. He also worked at Kings Highway Realty, where he sold Trump Organization co-ops.

In 2019, Parnas served as a translator for a legal case involving Dmytro Firtash, one of Ukraine's wealthiest oligarchs with self-admitted mob connections,[11] who is fighting extradition to the U.S. to face bribery charges. Firtash has lived in Vienna for five years.

Parnas has also been involved in Jewish charities and causes in the U.S., Ukraine and Israel.[14] Parnas is on the board of a Ukrainian-Jewish charity, "Friends of Anatevka", founded by Ukrainian rabbi Moshe Reuven Azman, to provide a refuge for Jews affected by the Russian military intervention in Ukraine.[15] Parnas and Fruman visited Israel in the summer of 2018 as a part of a delegation, led by former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and joined by Anthony Scaramucci, of "right-wing Jewish and evangelical supporters of Trump." The group met with U.S. Ambassador to Israel, David M. Friedman, Benjamin Netanyahu's son Yair Netanyahu, as well as billionaire Simon Falic, one of Netanyahu's most generous donors.[16] Huckabee joined the two once again in March 2019 when they were awarded with the "Chovevei Zion" (Lovers of Zion) awards at a gala for the National Council of Young Israel, an event focused on supporting President Trump and Israeli West Bank settlements. Rudy Giuliani and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy were in attendance as well. While in Israel Parnas and Fruman also met with oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi, a wealthy Ukrainian under investigation by the Department of Justice for money laundering.

Dmytro Firtash

Dmytro Vasylovych Firtash (Ukrainian: born 2 May 1965) is a Ukrainian businessman who heads the board of directors of Group DF.[1] U.S. federal prosecutors described Firtash in 2017 court papers as an associate of Russian organized crime.[2] He was highly influential during the Yuschenko administration[citation needed] and the Yanukovych administration.[3] As a middleman for the Russian natural gas giant Gazprom, Firtash funneled money into the campaigns of pro-Russia politicians in Ukraine.

In 2010, Firtash launched an effort towards consolidation of the Ukrainian nitrogen business. From September 2010 to September 2011, Firtash acquired ownership in 'Concern STIROL' (Horlivka), 'Severodonetsk Production Association Azot' and 'Cherkassy Azot'.[13] In just over a year, the joint marketing strategy of the four fertilizer manufacturers owned by Firtash substantially strengthened its domestic market position.

Firtash is co-owner of RosUkrEnergo and controls much of the Ukrainian titanium industry.[14] He gained control of former state-owned titanium assets across Ukraine in 2004. He also owns several chemical plants.[15][better source needed] In May 2011, Firtash took over Nadra Bank (at the time Ukraine's 11th largest bank). Nadra Bank had gone into default in 2009, but it has since restructured its foreign debt with significant write-offs.[16]

Firtash became one of the leading investors in the power sector and chemical industry in Central and Eastern Europe.[17] His plants and companies are present in Ukraine, Germany, Italy, Cyprus, Tajikistan, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria and Estonia.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 17:45 utc | 20

TT@9, others following the 737NG breaking up: the pictures I have seen (AP and my weather app - the story came up due to the weather in Istanbul) show a very similar pattern as that shown in the video referenced by walter @12.
In the interest of not screwing up the thread, I am not posting links. Photos are easy enough to find for those interested, and if you fly, you probably should be...

Posted by: NotBob | Feb 5 2020 17:46 utc | 21

Re; Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 17:44 utc | 20

The virus is contagious at least 5 days before symptoms appear, I have read some reports that say 9-14 days before symptoms appear. Which is why it is out of control. Taking temperatures to screen is like pissing in the wind

Posted by: Per | Feb 5 2020 17:48 utc | 22

Another Boeing crashing

Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 17:50 utc | 23

One reason for elections, for voting, for permitting voting, is to foster or create in the voters' minds the belief that the vote was/is valid.

Since this belief is declining, the idea that there can be a "winner" is lessening. The cloak of "legitimacy" wears thin and thread-bare.

The fubar in Ohio (see mintpress etc) is symptomatic, and obviously deliberate. More to come? You bet!

Yes, The Clown of Orange may well be "re-elected" by the quaint methods of the diseased republic...but can he rule?

See "Fight With a Cannon"...

I imagine Comrade Texas' ideas about a show-down in April will happen, and however that goes, so goes the rest, "PPE" (Phony Phuckin Election) an' all. Not mind you, that I would for an instant consider advocating his enemy agenda. Enemies, like 'em or not, can be accurate in their predictions. And gee, those Are Pretty W76/2 N-Bangers, ain't they?

What does anybody imagine these are for? April? Why not?

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 17:50 utc | 24


For info (don’t necessarily agree with everything):

Richard Murphy on Tax Research UK, 1 Feb. 2020 (reg blogger, sfw)

writes that Bojo said in his speech, the latest policy statement if one can call it that (vid at link, check it out) that two main objectives of his, the present Tory Gvmt… are to control migration and to create Freeports. Controlling migration means controlling labor.

At the link there is also a short vid (swiss tv in F eng. subs 11 mins) about Freeports. I also had a job like the guy in the vid, so it speaks to me. Best paying student job I ever had.

The EU has come out against Freeports.

Aug. 2019: Post-Brexit plans unveiled for 10 free ports

Posted by: Noirette | Feb 5 2020 17:52 utc | 25

Meanwhile, Germany continues to degenerate back towards Nazism:

Outrage as German centre-right votes with AfD to oust Thuringia premier

At least this time the whole farce happened only with the help of the center-right, and not with also the help of the center-left - as was the case of the mass murders of 1918-1919.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 17:52 utc | 26

AfD isn't a Nazi party , they are hardcore Neoliberal.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 17:54 utc | 27

@ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 17:54 utc | 28

It is a long story, but neonazifascism is essentially neoliberalism in another form (specially, but not only, in the Third World, where the narrative of national or racial superiority doesn't hold ground).

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 18:02 utc | 28

Neoliberalism is found in almost every party in Germany these days save the Die Link. The Greens are also Neoliberals.
AfD is a hardcore Neoliberal party - they want total dissolution of the welfare state - The NSDAP (nazi party) supported an extensive welfare state. It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 29

@ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 29

The NSDAP (nazi party) supported an extensive welfare state. It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options.


Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 18:20 utc | 30

Per - 23
I heard so as well, though it seems Chinese scientists were wondering if their findings were correct and were rechecking the whole thing.
Still, a country like Sweden that brings back its citizens and just sends them home for a rest if they don't show any symptom are totally foolish. Either the epidemics poses no major risk and there's no need to repatriate your people, or it's serious and you apply a proper quarantine. They're acting as if no one ever learned anything about pandemics since 1347.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 18:20 utc | 31

@Per @22 - The virus is contagious at least 5 days before symptoms appear,

No, it is not. The Germany study which found that was wrong.

Science: Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed

Posted by: b | Feb 5 2020 18:21 utc | 32

Trailer Trash, the Boeing crash in Istanbul was due to bad wet weather. The plane slid of the runway on landing. There were no imjuries.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 18:23 utc | 33

# 30 and all. I read what I can about German politics, but am not properly able to grasp the process there. I think it is critically important though.

One source I read > "vera-lengsfeld [dot]de"

To-day I see there> A victory over the arrogance of power

"We are actually used to the fact that everything in politics is knocked out before the actual decisions are made. Now the Prime Minister election in Thuringia has shown that there is another way. Thomas Kemmerich's choice..."


"Nationalbewusstsein –
Brutstätte reaktionärer Gesinnung?"

The commitment to one's own nation is - deliberately out of focus - at the same time semantically equated with nationalism, structurally identical with chauvinism. Anyone who thinks nationally is consequently genotypically a chauvinist, a presumptuous day-past man who needs to be combated. (more or less)


Frau Vera grew up, in a bit of trouble, in DDR... Which place, I believe she's said, was better that Germany now. But she found fault with DDR too, and they with Vera.

"Moderately Commie"... yeah. Not Vera though...


Comrade Victor Grossman's Berlin Bulletins are interesting too.


Later. Chop wood/carry water time.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 18:24 utc | 34

Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 18:23 utc | 33 Fair or foul, the point is that the body broke into pieces when it ain't 'spozed to. See the aljazeera docu I named.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 18:26 utc | 35

HEY "In Turkey" HELLO there!

Are these some of your DEBKAFILE sources?????


MDEBKAfile: is an Israeli military intelligence website based in Jerusalem, providing commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, national security, military and international relations, with a particular focus on the Middle East. It is available in both English and Hebrew. The word "Debka" refers to an Arab folk dance.[1]

The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the archives as the best part of the website, but warns that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."

The website was suspended in October 2014, following its own report of the illness of its chief editor.[3] The website resumed coverage in December 2014.

It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.

Forbes: HMS (Starship) ENTERPRISE (Lady Sally Forbes )

Name: HMS Enterprise
Ordered: 19 June 2000[1]
Builder: Appledore Shipbuilders
Launched: 2 May 2002[1]
Sponsored by: Lady Sally Forbes
Commissioned: 17 October 2003[1]
Homeport: HMNB Devonport, Plymouth
Nickname(s): Starship
Status: in active service


(OCEANOGRAPHY) Enterprise and Echo are designed to conduct survey operations in support of submarines or amphibious operations.


Enterprise's crew consists of 72 personnel, with 48 on board at any one time, working a cycle of 70 days on, 30 days off. The ship can accommodate 81 personnel if necessary. The ship is operationally available 330 days a year.[7] In support of this high availability, all accommodation and recreational facilities are designed for an unusual (in a warship) degree of comfort.

-Enterprise's first operational overseas deployment was to the Mediterranean in October 2004.

-Enterprise sailed in September 2005 to conduct survey operations in the Gulf of Aden and Somali Basin. She also conducted a collaborative hydrographic survey with the Saudi military.

-In 2007 Enterprise deployed for 19 months to West Africa, South Africa, the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf. While in the Persian Gulf she worked off the coast of Iraq in support of the UK and Iraqi governments.
-Enterprise was dispatched to Libya in August 2014 to evacuate British citizens and diplomatic staff due to the increasing violence in the country.

-In June 2015 Enterprise replaced HMS Bulwark in the mission to rescue migrants crossing the Mediterranean from Libya to Italy.[12] By December 2015, Enterprise had been responsible for rescuing more than 2600 migrants.[13] By December 2016, this number had risen to over 9000[14] before Enterprise was finally relieved by Echo.

-On 9 January 2017 it was announced Enterprise had deployed to the South Atlantic to perform patrol tasks normally carried out by the Falkland Islands.
-Sailing from Devonport on 29 June 2017, Enterprise deployed in her secondary role as an mine counter measures command ship assuming the role of flagship of NATO Mine Countermeasures Group 2 (SNMCMG2), primarily operating in the Mediterranean.[19]
-Norway in October 2018 for Exercise Trident Juncture as the mine counter measures command ship for the UK minehunter taskgroup.[22]
-In December 2019 she was reported to have sailed through the strait of Taiwan.

Bertie Charles Forbes (May 14, 1880 – May 6, 1954) was a Scottish-born American financial journalist and author who founded Forbes magazine.
Life and careerEdit

Forbes was born in New Deer, Aberdeenshire, in Scotland, the son of Agnes (Moir) and Robert Forbes, a storekeeper and tailor. After studying at University College, Dundee (then part of the University of St Andrews), in 1897 Forbes worked as a reporter and editorial writer with a local newspaper until 1901 when he moved to Johannesburg, South Africa, where he worked on the Rand Daily Mail under its first editor, Edgar Wallace.[2] He emigrated to New York City in the United States in 1904

Malcolm Stevenson "Steve" Forbes Jr. (born July 18, 1947)[1] is an American publishing executive. Forbes was a candidate in the 1996[2] and 2000 Republican Presidential primaries. Forbes is the Editor-in-Chief of Forbes, a business magazine. Forbes is the son of longtime Forbes publisher Malcolm Forbes, and the grandson of that publication's founder, B.C. Forbes.

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 18:33 utc | 36

I have a lot of German sources. Just Google on: Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt

The NSDAP supported an extensive welfare state (its own public infrastructure renewal policies, auto industry boom, construction of popular houses), their economic policies weren't different of Social-Democrats and from the old Bismarckian economic policies. In fact many of Hitler's economic policies that were successful as infrastructure policy were stolen from the SPD. The difference was its overtly warlike policy and total allienation cultural, demagogies etc.

So comparing NSDAP with the AfD is bollocks.. Two different eras. Two different Germany. Two different worlds.

Here a source in English. From a professor from Columbia University
Hitler's Social Revolution: Class and Status in Nazi Germany 1933-1939
by David Schoenbaum

Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:34 utc | 37

@ Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 18:23 utc | 33

Still, it broke up into three pieces, which it shouldn't have done. Did you see the the documentary that Walter@12 mentioned? On A Wing and a Prayer.

The problems at Boeing (and the relevant official authorities in the USA) long predate the 737 MAX.

And it's. Ot limited to the 737 either, here's another "On A Wing and a Prayer". Different Boeing bird, similar issues.

Posted by: Lurk | Feb 5 2020 18:35 utc | 38

There is a VERY interesting map somewhere in "The Saker" archives showing "starships'" route (among others) round and around and around island of Crete back in 2015 where the Mediterranean refuge crisis sparked...

DEBKA had any info about this? Maybe "In Turkey" knows?

Shalom btw...

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 18:41 utc | 39

Interesting to compare the state of the hulls between the recent Ural Airlines A320 incidents in Moscow (pretty much intact after landing in corn field gear up) and this 737 incident. I know which aircraft I'd rather be in if things get saucy.

Posted by: sad canuck | Feb 5 2020 18:49 utc | 40

@ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:34 utc | 37

Yes, the NSDAP molded itself in the social-democratic style because social-democracy was en vogue in the West at the time (remember, this was the aftermath of 1929).

Nowadays, it is neoliberalism - and not social-democracy - which is en vogue in the West. So neonazifascism is molding/has molded itself on the neoliberal style. Hence the emphasis on the "neo-" prefix in my original comment.

Nazism/Fascism are not economic theories. They are political ideologies. They are viable under the neoliberal political-economic doctrine. It is a myth to say nazifascism is the polar opposite to socialism/communism. No, they are not even on the same league: nazifasicism is a tool the capitalists use to fight socialism/communism in desperate times.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 18:50 utc | 41

From b's link @32:

“There’s no doubt after reading [the NEJM] paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring,” Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told journalists. “This study lays the question to rest.”

But now, it turns out that information was wrong.

Fauci. It figures. (He is near the top of my Contempt list, but it's a long story.) The claim that the illness was contagious before symptomatic was based on ONE PERSON. Even better, the "researchers" involved didn't even talk to her to find out if she had symptoms or not. It turns out she did. Methinks that making assumptions is not good scientific methodology. Maybe someone should tell Fauci.

Funny how official US claims all bend towards "The Sky Is Falling" and "China Bad, US Good".

Fauci has been at NIH (National Institutes of Health) for decades. He had to be dragged, while kicking and screaming, to organize an effective research program for AIDS. The documentary "How to Survive a Plague" shows Fauci being burned in effigy, the best part of the film, hehe.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 18:58 utc | 42

I agree with Nick that AfD is a hardcore neoliberal party, but I would like to add that they are also against globalism, representing more a national model of that BS. Founded by a bunch of MBAs mostly with PhD and teaching at universities, ofc, the mainstream economism. AfD has different stances from MS for example with the topic migration (against, go back, respect the law), Syria (the only German party having paid visits to the country, stop war, send the Syrians back home to help rebuild their country), climate change (having invited the Israelian scienstist Nir Shaviv, a "denier", to the Bundestag discussing against a climate alarmist from the PIK they made a nice laugh, because the Jewish scientist is beyond critics in Germany and the PIK alarmist showed himself being rather uneducated but arrogant
This said, I conclude that AfD is not worse than the other wings of the political environment, even less close to war and fascism as many of the others, e.g. the Greens.
As for the social programme Nick mentions, you may have a look at KdF

Kind regards to all of the barflies, and to my namesake b.

Posted by: BG13 | Feb 5 2020 19:09 utc | 43

Can anyone explain: Was the Shadow/DNC op designed to quietly hand Iowa to Buttigeg with no one knowing but the whole op blew up because of a tech meltdown?

Or, alternatively, was the tech meltdown part of the op?

Posted by: casey | Feb 5 2020 19:27 utc | 44

What China has now could be called a socialist form of national socialism. It lacks the most objectionable features of German National Socialism, and may well be the best governmental system currently on offer, in terms of the welfare it provides its citizens. By that criterion, it is certainly better than the U.S. system. That is why people in Washington now regard China as such a threat. They fear others will conclude what I have concluded.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 5 2020 19:46 utc | 45

casey | Feb 5 2020 19:27 utc | 44

I believe in a wider conspiracy.
There's an eye opening (several) article in mintpressnews someone kindly shared the link with us and deals about how Mossad front groups and Lockeed Martin partnered together to basically own the cyber security of the United States Air Force, US Navy and the US Pentagon.

Operation Blackout
How an Israeli Spy-Linked Tech Firm Gained Access to the US Gov’t’s Most Classified Networks

Through its main investors, SoftBank and Lockheed Martin, Cybereason not only has ties to the Trump administration but has its software running on some of the U.S. government’s most classified and secretive networks.

Since they even had "simulations" themed "US, Elections, Chaos, 2020" and almost all media reffering to the Iowa votes count clasterfack as "Chaos, Elections, Iowa" I am willing to bet most of them (news sources) might had been "advised" their choice of words...

That's a "right in your face" message. "Diss Sanders or else"....

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 19:49 utc | 46

@ Posted by: lysias | Feb 5 2020 19:46 utc | 45

China is clearly a "communist" country ("communist" in the sense that its socialist system can be directly traced from the Soviet tree).

Even after Deng's reforms, the Chinese State preserved its structure, which is a copy-paste of the Soviet one.

China today is the USSR in a parallel universe where the Perestroika was successful (I once met a person who jokingly stated that China was "the USSR + Perestroika - Glasnost"). In fact, if you read Gorbachev's speeches, you'll be astonished how it foresaw the success of the Chinese model, which would happen only 20 years later.

China is a Marxist State. Officially and in practice. Not only that: it is the last remnant of Scientific Socialism (i.e. applied Marxism), which, nowadays, exist only in the West in the academia.

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 19:57 utc | 47

@ 44 casey.. good completely destroyed any momentum saunders might have gotten and gave it all to trump.. looks like the fix is in...

when so much of what the msm gives us is some kind of jive ass marketing bs, it's hard for people like me to not be sceptical of what is going on.. apparently another chem weapon attack is being released - same marketing bs.. it's pretty none stop.. no wonder someone coined 'fake' news.. fake reality in the age of technology seems to be the new norm.. who needs to play a video game or go to a hollywood flick when reality has been manipulated so much today?

Posted by: james | Feb 5 2020 20:08 utc | 48

Re: Corona
Multiple independent reports of bodybags lying in hospitals yet to be collected.
Same for cremations running 24.7.
Reports one week ago that actual number of infected ~100k.
Wuhan is shut down: no fuel, no transport. People are in their homes, coping without medical aid, spreading the flu amongst family.
The gov't became overwhelmed quickly. They underreacted: failed to close the city of Wuhan quickly; at least 2Million left.
Shanghai will spike in a week or so as will other cities.
Let us hope the govt does better as this continues and that they actually start telling the truth. So far, they are lying through their teeth. Without accurate numbers, it is very difficult to know an Ro. We will, unfortunately, only find that out with time.
HK has 21 infected and 1 death. We are supposed to believe all these cities in China have hundreds of infected and no deaths? Really?Is that actually believable? I have a magic powder that prevents all disease and costs only $400/ounce. Any takers?

Posted by: dorje | Feb 5 2020 20:11 utc | 49

casey @44:

Was the Shadow/DNC op designed to quietly hand Iowa to Buttigeg ... [or] was the tech meltdown part of the op?

I don't think anyone knows for sure at this point.

However, I've seen a description of the Iowa foul-up that says that someone took a screen shot of what was reported and then found later that it didn't match what was recorded. If not for the direct evidence of the app's "mal-functioning", MayorCheat might've quietly won.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 20:14 utc | 50

the make and model was up on RT right away. A boing 737. to X - I was wondering where you were. Miss your thoughtful remarks. RE boing. Is this coincidence - or are these planes really that unsafe. A runway accident a few days ago. Dumping fuel (on a schoolyard!! that pilot must have been Freaked!!!) to prepare for an emergency landing in LA a week or two ago. Have these planes passed their expiration date? Is there a maintenance failure in addition to design flaws? Hmmmm...

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 5 2020 20:22 utc | 51

Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:40 utc | 17:

Governments always down play the situation to prevent panic among the unwashed masses. However, it would get increasingly difficult to hide the mounting deaths if we're dealing with the worst case scenario. Authorities will get overwhelmed and you will start seeing leaked footage of it. Shit like this you can't hide it for long.

I still think it's a nothing-burger given the data. Don't forget scientists around the World is paying close attention to the situation. On top of that, the reaction from nations outside of China is no where near to that of the Chinese authorities. This tells me that they hold the same opinion as me; a giant nothing-burger.

I also watched a segment of the Corbett Report where the guest mentioned that the people from WHO declaring this outbreak as a epidemic is connected to Big Pharma. Talk about conflict of interest.

And then there is Miss Lacy here @MOA that mentioned of a financial pump & dump scheme.

casey @44:

IMO, the tech "meltdown" was Plan B if Sanders lead was too great to apply "quality control measures" on the numbers.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 5 2020 20:24 utc | 52

I'm surprised at how thin the evidence was to back up that claim of asymptomatic transmission. Those Krauts clearly dropped the ball.
Nevertheless, what is of concern is that the virus is showing up in feces. The CCP directive is now to disinfect bodies and seal the bag. No funerals (no gatherings to spread the virus). Straight to the crematorium. Death certificate to be issued (Who checks that?)
For some reason, early indicators show this virus being less virulent in different hosts. We will certainly learn a lot more as ex-pats come home and go through quarantine with military doctors watching (U.S.and other countries).
The length of time this virus lasts on surfaces certainly has the CCP sh@tting bricks. All those bodies and so little crematoriums.

Posted by: dorje | Feb 5 2020 20:26 utc | 53

Miss Lacy | Feb 5 2020 20:22 utc | 51

In the aljazeera video the experts said they saw 30 year problems at 8 years.

I got the idea that it was corrosion and corrosion fatigue cracks and loose fit from micky mouse suppliers with pencilwhipped paperwork. fake.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 20:26 utc | 54

Any proof of life on Michael D'Andrea since the loss of the E-11A?

Posted by: J Swift | Feb 5 2020 20:43 utc | 55

At least 52 people injured at that Istanbul air crash.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 5 2020 20:46 utc | 56

Time isn’t saying definitively, but is kind of saying D’Andrea is not dead Time link

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 5 2020 20:51 utc | 57

@ 44
I suspect the whole fiasco was the op, designed to smash peoples' faith in the democratic process if they're not neoliberal, establishment-ites. A quiet Buttigieg victory would not have the same effect.

Posted by: Maat | Feb 5 2020 20:55 utc | 58

I read that Bernie had five attorneys show up at the DNC immediately so perhaps this time he will fight back?

Posted by: frances | Feb 5 2020 20:57 utc | 59

Any proof of life on Michael D'Andrea since the loss of the E-11A?
Time disputes his death, citing that he would have been buried at Arlington within 24 hrs (observant Muslim) and that co-workers claim he is not dead (off record).

I've been following this story. I have no idea. There is no transparency by either side. Iran and the Taliban have put forward no evidence, that I have come across, and the U.S. denies his death but they haven't had a press briefing to that effect. The Cia denies the claim. That is the extent of the response.
Strange times.

Posted by: dorje | Feb 5 2020 20:58 utc | 60

@ Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 5 2020 20:22 utc | 51 who asked
Is there a maintenance failure in addition to design flaws?

Financializaton of a business does not just affect the new creations but also affects the cash cow of spare parts that keep the older planes flying. I mentioned this when b first started reporting on Boeing. We are just now seeing more of the systemic failures that I expect will be attributable to company wide profit over safety decisions with airplane parts and misrepresented maintenance example of barbarism over socialism.....if you can get away with it then it must be ok.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 5 2020 21:00 utc | 61

casey @44

"Was the Shadow/DNC op designed to quietly hand Iowa to Buttigeg with no one knowing but the whole op blew up because of a tech meltdown?

Or, alternatively, was the tech meltdown part of the op?"

The DNC's Shadow knows!

Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 5 2020 21:01 utc | 62

@vk 41

nazifasicism is a tool the capitalists use to fight socialism/communism in desperate times.

Ain't that the truth. You can always count on the conservative self-loathing of the masses. This is the edge the right always has over the left. For the left to succeed they have to prepare the ground, while the right is able to exploit the existing terrain untreated. Neoliberal capitalism cocoons us in myths about ourselves and the world: the necessity of work, the independence of the economy from politics, value lies only in economic utility, performance evaluations are accurate measures of who you are and what you're worth, etc, etc. We resist all this and so are encouraged to hate ourselves for our dissent. The left says "the suspicion you feel that this is not how humans should live together is correct. We must turn this suspicion into critique". But this requires time, education, respect, and an appeal to science and humanism. It's like pushing shit uphill. In the meantime the Right have simple tools—ignorance, fear, hate, violence. It's a winning formula. Where's Robespierre when we need him?

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 5 2020 21:03 utc | 63

I can't see how Turkey can wage wars on two fronts in Syria and Libya. Erdogan is threatening to attack Syrian forces if they don't withdraw from behind the line of Turkish outposts.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 5 2020 21:03 utc | 64

Remember when we were getting the hard sell on "mobile crematoriums" in eastern Ukraine because the Ukro-Nazis were supposedly so good at killing? Well, presumably they good at killing something other than little kids and old grandmothers, though there wasn't very much evidence of that so we got the "mobile crematorium" tall tale to explain the lack of bodies.

Now crematorium nonsense is back, only being applied to China. The only people who buy this ridiculous story are ones who haven't ventured into the sunlight from their parents' basement in years, and have for certain never further from their trailer park than the local Walmart. How else is it that anyone can imagine that the big problem with covering up a large number of deaths is just the problem of disposing of the bodies? What about family, friends, and coworkers of the deceased? How about creditors? Who thinks they will just shrug and forget about it if the person who owes them money disappears?

The only people who can seriously consider the narrative of cremating bodies to hide deaths are ones who cannot conceptualize people on the other side of the planet who speak a weird language as actual human beings with full lives. Delusional Americans for whom the world is just another TV show, and Chinese people are just extras in that show with no backstory or future whom nobody would notice if they died unless their body blocked the sidewalk or something.

If you, dear reader, are leaning towards believing the crematorium narrative, ask yourself if simply disposing of the body would work at erasing anyone you know, like one of your parents or children? Kinda silly to think that would make you forget them, huh? So why imagine it would work in Russia or China? Answer: The only way you could believe that is if your understanding of those places was just a shallow caricature; a cartoon.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2020 21:19 utc | 65

A line from 'the book' has: 'a child shall lead them' somewhere in it. Came close but in error, 'led by children' sums up the SOTU. Who will put these preschoolers into different corners until they start behaving, or are there any adults in charge anymore.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 5 2020 21:20 utc | 66

Michael Harriot said this about Pelosi tearing up the speech on Twitter:

She shouldn’t have torn it up.

She should have had it mounted, Framed,
Hung in the Smithsonian.
It was a beautiful elegy
A memorial
A newer testament

Every empire dies, but...

We rarely get to see the suicide note.

Posted by: Nolan Voyd | Feb 5 2020 21:33 utc | 67

=/ An asymptomatic carrier (healthy carrier or just carrier) is a person or other organism that has become infected with a pathogen, but that displays no signs or symptoms.[1]

Although unaffected by the pathogen, carriers can transmit it to others or develop symptoms in later stages of the disease. Asymptomatic carriers play a critical role in the transmission of common infectious diseases such as typhoid, C. difficile, influenzas, and HIV. While the mechanism of disease-carrying is still unknown, researchers have made progress towards understanding how certain pathogens can remain dormant in a human for a period of time.[2] /= -- From the politically challenged Wikipedia:
Asymptomatic carrier

=/ People with hepatitis A are most contagious during the 2 weeks before they exhibit symptoms, and they can continue to infect others for 3 weeks after developing symptoms. /= -- From:
Who's on the Move

Of course the 'asymptomatic carrier' phenomenon is not the only factor that could make this coronavirus extremely dangerous. Therefore, the Wu flu could turn out to be a 'nothingburger', or it could result in an Apocalyptic event.

Microbiology has made astounding advances in the last 100 years. But still, when something new appears, it can take years to pin down the basic relevant facts. This happened with HIV, for example. This Wu flu has me on edge a bit.

Posted by: blues | Feb 5 2020 21:35 utc | 68

I say that China is NOT neoliberal.
But how is it Marxist, when Marx talked about workers self management and the disalienation of labor being the essence of communism?
Yes, there is strong public ownership and investment in China, and all sorts of state controls over the market and capital internally and externally. But the law of value has taken hold in china, and markets and wage labor are universal. It's too dogmatic to say that China is Marxist.

Posted by: Richard | Feb 5 2020 21:37 utc | 69

I find it interesting that it is almost 48 hours since the Iowa Caucus "voting" happened and 25% of the vote is still not available for inclusion/reporting.

The old Pony Express US Post Office could have the records delivered anywhere in the state by now. What the heck are they hiding? Does Buttfuck's current small lead go away if the final 25% of the vote is counted?

I hope the younger generations are getting an education about how the world works......socialism or barbarism (public or private control of sovereign and global finance)

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 5 2020 21:42 utc | 70

>I read that Bernie had five attorneys show up at the
>DNC immediately so perhaps this time he will fight back?
>Posted by: frances | Feb 5 2020 20:57 utc | 59

DNC to Bernie: "I'll match your five attorneys and raise fifty more"

Nope. This ain't gonna be won by a bunch of lawyers, unless they are from Pakistan, where lawyers aren't shy about raising a ruckus in the street.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 21:47 utc | 71

All the chanting last night about how America is #1 . . . yeah but maybe most dumbed-down Americans have to use their cell phone to count higher than 1? Try getting a store clerk to figure out change without a calculator these days. Clearly you need an app to count votes or figure out where you are going (what's a map?)

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 21:48 utc | 72

Are we supposed to have two Open Thread - 9's? Or is this a bonus thread 9?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 5 2020 21:52 utc | 73

@ Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 21:48 utc | 72

I have been fighting 'tooth and nail' against computer voting for at least 16 years.

The voting computers are always controlled by election managers. Hand counted paper gives them much, much less control.

Posted by: blues | Feb 5 2020 21:55 utc | 74

funny quote from RT, about the Iowa caucus fiasco:

If this happened literally anywhere else in the world, the State Department would be calling for regime change and Treasury would be imposing sanctions, all while the Pentagon counts the ammunition to make sure it has enough for some ‘kinetic’ democracy promotion.

Posted by: Mike P | Feb 5 2020 21:56 utc | 75

@ Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 21:48 utc | 72

You need an app to be able to communicate with today's iZombies and their phones smarter than they.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 5 2020 21:56 utc | 76

For anybody who still thinks "kids won't know what snow is":


* WHAT...Significant snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 12
to 20 inches, sleet accumulations of around one half to one and
one half inches

This is a big storm, even in my neighborhood, but certainly not "unprecedented", the media's most favored word for weather stories. I've got wood, food, candles, batteries, gas for the plow truck, and two cockatiels for company, so let 'er rip...

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 22:00 utc | 77

Trailer Trash @ 9, 13, Blue Dotterel @ 33:

Latest news is that one person is dead and up to 157 people have been injured in the Boeing 737 crash in Istanbul. (The BBC headline says 150 people but buried in the report the Turkish Health Minister confirms one dead and 157 injured, though not critically.)

The plane was attempting to land while being buffeted by strong winds and heavy rain, skidded off the runway and crashed into a ditch after falling 30 - 40 metres. The fuselage split into three parts.

Almost a month before this accident, another Boeing 737 owned by the same airline (Pegasus Airlines) also skidded on the same runway.

That the fuselage split into three should have us worried. Apparently a stress test that Boeing performed on a 777X jet in September last year blew off a door. The details were kept secret until The Seattle Times reported the story in November.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 5 2020 22:06 utc | 78

@Richard 69

Michael Hudson: "China is neoliberal with Marxist contradictions"

Michael Hudson quoting David Harvey: "China is neoliberal with inner contradictions"

Pepe Escobar: "China is neoliberal with Chinese characteristics"

These are actual quotes given by Michael Hudson on an event on geopolictics and de-dollarization two months ago. Pepe's quote is from an interview almost a year ago on TRNN.

Posted by: Vato | Feb 5 2020 22:19 utc | 79

This is an astonishing article on what to expect in the 2020 election. Deep Fakes 24/7.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 5 2020 22:22 utc | 80

James McCumiskey | Feb 5 2020 17:00 utc | 5

I do not know what is causing the deaths in China, but for sure it is not the Corona virus because it does not exist. If any of these viruses exist it would be possible to purify them and measure their diameter. Nobody has ever done this. B - as a native German -- research Dr Lanka and Dr Hamer. Alles gute dir James

This is arrant rubbish. I don't know what it is based on. Here is a reference to work on the ASF virus. I can't find the analogous work on the Novel Coronar virus but I saw it a few days ago.
"The size of the African swine fever virus is huge, it is the largest one among the viruses unraveled by Chinese scientists. Its diameter is 10 times longer than the diameter of the hepatitis A virus," Wang said. "African swine fever, with an epidemic history of nearly 100 years, is a challenging global problem. It has a stable structure and can survive for months under normal temperatures, posing a great challenge for prevention and control. Scientists have limited knowledge of the virus. We hope to open the door to have a better understanding of the disease."

Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:29 utc | 81

I don't suppose anyone here will be watching Hollywood's annual self-congratulatory smugfest but two propaganda films "The Cave" (directed by Firas Fayyad as a companion piece to "Last Men in Aleppo") and "For Sama" claiming to profile individuals trying to survive the Syrian War are competing for the Best [Fake] Documentary Oscar along with three other films.

"The Cave" is about a doctor working in a makeshift hospital in a cave (where have we heard that one before?) beneath Ghouta and "For Sama" is about a couple trying to raise a baby daughter in east Aleppo when the husband decides to stay and continue working in "Al Quds Hospital". (The hospital has never existed; the building claimed to be the hospital was something else entirely and still stands.)

Not holding my breath in the hope that one of the other films might win an increasingly worthless award.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 5 2020 22:42 utc | 82

Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 17:14 utc | 9
The plane which skidded off the runway and broke into two parts and caught fire (1 dead, 157 injured) was a Boeing 737-800.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:45 utc | 83

@ Posted by: Pft | Feb 5 2020 22:22 utc | 80

The USSA Ministry of Truth is saying the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, et al. are planning to 'hack' our sacred fake 'elections'. In their conspiracy theory, they are very careful to express in a weaselish way that the elections will merely be trolled via 'social control media', etc. Not actually a 'hack the voting computers'. But this latter conspiracy is really what all the dog whistling is covertly referring to.

And people wonder why I demand hand counted paper ballots. I always knew this sort of thing would be perpetrated.

Posted by: blues | Feb 5 2020 22:51 utc | 84

Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 17:44 utc | 19

The one thing that would scare China the most, I think, is if the virus was infectious before symptoms appear.

That is precisely what it is. It is highly infectious even before any symptoms appear.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:55 utc | 85

With all in their favor, money and the press, why the billionaires needed even to rig the Iowa Caucus?

Trump and other billionaire Michael Bloomberg launched their campaign videos during the Super Bowl broadcast last Sunday. For whom does not know, 30 seconds of advertising when broadcasting the Super Bowl cost $5.5 million. "Everyone is equal, anyone can become president," yeah....

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 5 2020 22:55 utc | 86

Do recall that Socialism was declared the Enemy almost a century prior to the Russian Revolution. Let us recall the three demands of the French Revolution--Liberty, Equality, Fraternity--and how they so shocked the Establishment. Yes, Cromwell did behead his King, but he also massacred the Christian Socialists known as the Levelers and their allies. And what sort of character was made the first "Pulp Fiction" hero? The Scarlet Pimpernel, who saved aristocrats from the justice of the mob. Recall that written language was developed in Mesopotamia for the purpose of cost accounting, not for recording other events or disseminating religion. Also recall that learning how to read and write was very tightly controlled until the advent of the Protestant Revolt and was not deemed as something worthy of being universally attained.

An interesting fact I discovered today is the existence of Fabian Societies in all but one of the English language speaking nations, that being the USA, which makes sense when thought about. The Fabian Society was formed in 1884 with the following purpose:

"To promote greater equality of power, wealth and opportunity; the value of collective action and public service; an accountable, tolerant and active democracy; citizenship, liberty and human rights; sustainable development; and multilateral international cooperation."

Shortly afterward in 1889 it published Fabian Essays in Socialism, edited by G. Bernard Shaw. Most likely remember the criticism aimed at the Society for its later advocacy of eugenics and failure to overtly support the Irish Revolution in 1916, but what I'm most interested in is its idea that Socialism represents Total Democracy, which is my term arrived at from Sidney Webb's essay here and in the above linked book where he says:

"The economic side of the democratic ideal is, in fact, socialism itself."

And do note at the time of the Fabian Society's founding the beginning reactionary phase to beat back the Classical Economists, their ideas and supporters had also recently begun. The result being there were now two organized sides in what became the still ongoing War against Socialism. When we see how China's organized it and how Russia is slowly recrafting the structure of its system and their shared fundamental goals of increasing the general welfare of their entire polity, it's easy to understand the growing hysteria amongst the failing neoliberal nations as their elites see Socialism rising from the dead and becoming even stronger than before.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2020 23:07 utc | 87

Operation Blackout How an Israeli Spy-Linked Tech Firm Gained Access to the US Gov’t’s Most Classified Networks Through its main investors, SoftBank and Lockheed Martin, Cybereason not only has ties to the Trump administration but has its software running on some of the U.S. government’s most classified and secretive networks. Qparticle @ 46 Better call HS right away.. so they can cover it up.

48 hrs post Iowa Caucus "voting" 25% vote not available for inclusion/reporting.
What the heck are they hiding? Psychoistorian @ 70 <= Is vote miscount a tort?
who would have standing to sue?

tech "meltdown" Plan B if Sanders lead was too great to by: Ian2 52
@ 44 vote count vs democratic process by: Maat @ 58 <= votes for President and VP dn count [electoral college determines Pres and VP] .. 25% Jockeying for convention delegate position>

Turkey supported by Israel, USA and Saudi Arabia.. two fronts is no problem. by: Ian2 @ 52 and 64

Posted by: snake | Feb 5 2020 23:07 utc | 88

@ Posted by: Richard | Feb 5 2020 21:37 utc | 69

Marx also theorized that no current hegemonic mode of production collapses to revolution until all of its inner possibilites are depleted. That has a dialetic movement:

1) the system itself can't deliver anymore, to the point a stationary state is physically impossible;

2) the development of the system to its own limits by itself gives birth to its own successor system, its superior stage of human development.

Lenin himself realized that. After the euphoria of 1917-1921 (war communism), the tragedy of Kronstadt happened, and the NEP was enforced in order to save the Revolution. Always the optmist, Lenin told that it would be very naive not to expect the NEP to last at least 25 years. The objective of the NEP was to finish the development of Russian capitalism - in a "sandbox" built by the socialist state - so it can finally give birth to full-fledged socialism.

The NEP only lasted five years (it itself collapsed after the peasant counter-revolution attempt and its under the weight of its own contradictions), but the lesson survived to the Chinese after the failure of the Cultural Revolution: that is, that capitalism had survived, that the cycle of world revolutions was over, and that it was time for a second Long March, where the tasks of the socialist state would be to accelerate the development of capitalism in a most controllable situation possible (i.e. in a socialist "sandbox"). The task of communism in the Third World, therefore, should be to do the tasks the capitalist class did in the First World: to industrialize it.

It is therefore evident the CCP is still fully commited to Marxism. Marxism the science, not just the so-called ideology (which is the predominant line in the bastardized West).

Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 23:12 utc | 89

blues | Feb 5 2020 22:51 utc | 84 (paper b)

I learned just today, and I think the thing is true, that our little riverain province, which is led by ladies I am told, had decided that hence-forth there will be paper ballots and nothing else. I have asked for more about it.

This is nice, and fair, and all that stuff. But think about what it means...

It means they don't believe electronic "results"...from anywhere. This means they're going to have grave doubts about the 2020 "election" - which is to say they're not going to accept it. They already don't accept the dictates they receive, especially the gun stuff. Their decision to reject the con is a signal event in a political perception control realm. There's already a nascent movement to flat refuse to enforce some laws. Now they don't buy the 'lection con. Geewhiz.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 23:15 utc | 90

Regarding the Ayatollah Mike thing, I would be very surprised if he was a casualty in that E-11. I dont see why (unless they were trying some really sneaky shit disguising a transport mission or really upgraded that particular unit) they would be hauling a VIP like him in what, as far as I can tell, is basically a fancy and quite rare/unique flying router intended to expand signal coverage in mountainous areas and allow cross-communication for different aging aircraft electronics platforms. It's way too specialized to be a dedicated VIP transport and not really, as far as I have read, equipped to do more nasty intel work, and if they wanted him to run communications for something I'd think they'd use the plane as the node as in its intended purpose and have him talk to the plane from a ground station. I could be wrong, of course.

Posted by: Yetanotheranon | Feb 5 2020 23:17 utc | 91

@ 44 casey.. good completely destroyed any momentum saunders might have gotten and gave it all to trump.. looks like the fix is in..."

What this means-and it could hardly be clearer- is that whatever role Sanders fulfills it is not that of a Sheepdog.
If he were a sheepdog, leading a growing flock of followers from one Primary to the next, their numbers and momentum constantly growing, this is the very last thing that those hoping to shear his flock of followers would have wanted. Or worked-as clearly all the DNC approved candidates have in the past few days- to bring about.

It confirms what any logical analysis of the 2016 Bernie campaign has already shown. Had Bernie's been a sheepdog campaign he would have delivered a new infusion of young idealistic supporters to the Clinton campaign, representing a net gain for the DNC. But that is far from what happened: a significant number of his supporters were so disgusted by the treatment accorded him/them by the DNC, not only before the Convention but in its refusal to make any compromises in the platform or ticket, that they sat out the election. Rather than being-as the sheepdog's dupes are meant to- drawn into the campaign for Hillary, as organisers and donors, they did less for the Democratic candidate than most of them had done in previous elections.
And that was the response of the more moderate 'sheep.' Another significant proportion of Bernie's people actually voted for Trump, if not the Green Party candidate.
And, since 2016, a portion of the naturally left electorate has been conflicted in its critiques of Trump (and this week's impeachment is in an indication of this) by its continued revulsion against Clinton, the DNC and the widespread Establishment support for the utter nonsense of the 'Putin done it!' agitation.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2020 23:38 utc | 92

UK telling can get the vaccine for Corona in 14 days...

Posted by: ARN | Feb 5 2020 23:38 utc | 93

@ # 1 I brought up the W76-2 that's gone to sea in Atlantic. This nifty gadget (they say they've two all polished up n' ready) is "only" 5 kilotons of bang. Cute. One does imagine that fatboy Pompo sees this as enhanced "diplomacy" or, what was the term..."deterrence" easy to lose.

But about the "nuclear deterrent"...well, maybe that's imaginary... Geewhiz, yatink? Sorta buggers the ideas behind the old NPT and the JCPOA too...

But who's remembering the Belgrano, and Falklands and how close Maggie came to murdering the rest of us? And who remembers Commander Robert Green? Who explains that there is no deterrence.

Bummer. I knew that...jus call me Johnathan Hoag.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 23:40 utc | 94

Breaking Free from Nuclear Deterrence YT

Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 23:41 utc | 95

Putin doing research for the upcoming "joint meeting of the State Council and the Presidential Council for Science and Education" and empowered by this:

"Frankly speaking, today I have heard something new for myself and, I think, it was very interesting and promising. A flexible system connecting the school, college, university and production."

An educational system from its beginnings that emphasizes science (I sure wish the transcript was complete!!) in a way that advances all aspects of Russian society all grounded in a fundamental principle of Socialism--total support for the nation's Human Capital. Indeed, I was thinking about how such a system differs from Nationalism and concluded that pure Nationalism must incorporate the same ideals as pure Socialism, which of course yields National Socialism. In my analyses of China and Russia, I see them both evolving toward such a system, although their expressions of democracy differ: China relies on Democratic Centralism while Putin relies on citizen input though such for a as the one cited above. The difference between Russia and China and the Neoliberal afflicted nations is acute--the latter only gain input from lobbyists, rich individuals and Think Tanks, while completely ignoring public opinion.

Today saw the specter of Trump extolling the great accomplishments of the nation and his administration--a command Orwellian Performance--while the truth reveals a massive homeless problem, shrinking economy, 50 Million children in poverty, and rapidly widening economic polarization where the current generation is already predicted to encounter Hard Times unless the status quo's drastically altered.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2020 23:42 utc | 96

For all those convinced that the coronavirus had been weaponized with HIV, here's an article from (you may recall my constant calls to attend to the statistics of the issue):

Quick retraction of a faulty coronavirus paper was a good moment for science

By Ivan Oransky and Adam Marcus
February 3, 2020

the paper claimed to find similarities between the new coronavirus and HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. The use of the word “uncanny” in the title, together with “unlikely to be fortuitous” in the abstract, led some to think that the authors were suggesting the virus had somehow been engineered by humans.

The paper, from academic institutions in New Delhi, India, was critical and alarming, if true. Except that it wasn’t.

The paper was almost immediately withdrawn,...

the reaction from the scientific community to the bioRxiv paper was swift. In a nutshell, commenters on bioRxiv and Twitter said, the author’s methods seemed rushed, and the findings were at most a coincidence. By Saturday morning, bioRxiv had placed a special warning on all papers about coronavirus. Later Saturday, the authors commented on their paper, saying they were withdrawing it. And on Sunday, a more formal retraction appeared: “This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results.”

All of that happened before a single news outlet with any reach covered the paper, as best we can tell.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 5 2020 23:47 utc | 97

Yetanotheranon @91--

When the plane crashed, there was lots of info being relayed via Twitter. One item I caught mentioned survivors being taken from the plane so they could be treated for their injuries, while leaving the dead in place. Those rescuers presumably were the Taliban that attempted to ambush the rescue mission. Also of note was a photo I saw of the two bodies removed from the plane and covered with blankets of local origin, which allows the assumption that whatever salvageable equipment there was became Taliban property. What purpose would be served by CIA/State to allow the rumored death to continue? It won't effect Iranian strategy in any way, nor that of the Taliban. I wrote that if we don't see a healthy A-Mike within a week, then he's either dead or a POW. And recall the tweet mentioned survivors in the plural.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2020 23:57 utc | 98

Re Walter @ 94 and 95

Andrei Martyanov commented today on what Scott Ritter wrote in regard to the W76-2 "low-yield" warhead now deployed on US Ohio class Trident subs. Martyanov wrote:

"I have to politely disagree with Ritter here--no, not with his assessment of Russian doctrine or capabilities assessments by US military as mostly a figment of imagination of the D.C. "think-tanks". I disagree with the view of these allegedly "controversial" warheads as some step to nuclear doomsday. Realistically those warheads, carried on board of venerable SSBNs of Ohio-class, have zero influence on operational or strategic levels. The reason for this being that ANY salvo by Trident II D5 SLBMs on Russia, even if done in jest and instead of W76-2, having Jack in the Box (or in warhead) instead, or, for that matter having 100 gazillion megatons muthafvcking biggest warhead ever, this salvo, if having Russians not warned about it in advance, will be viewed by Russians as an attack on Russia and will launch a sequence of the events which will see the United States...well, nobody wants to see that. No MATTER what kind of warheads. "

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 0:01 utc | 99

Today saw the specter of Trump extolling the great accomplishments of the nation and his administration--a command Orwellian Performance--while the truth reveals a massive homeless problem, shrinking economy, 50 Million children in poverty, and rapidly widening economic polarization where the current generation is already predicted to encounter Hard Times unless the status quo's drastically altered.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 5 2020 23:42 utc | 96

Hmm, not sure about your political reflections,
but don't you agree it was a masterful speech? Made even better by the political theater?
2. The SOU speech - masterful and enhanced in its effectiveness by Pelosi's interpretation of how a teen-ager would react petulantly to another teen-aged kid whom she hates. IMO a lot of people will remember the behavior of the Democrats last night.

Laura Rozen reports this on Al Monitor: US envoy presses Russia to halt Syrian offensive on Idlib, February 5, 2020

Posted by: Vig | Feb 6 2020 0:06 utc | 100

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