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February 5, 2020
Open Thread 2020-09
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Brother Thierry says disquieting things to-day. Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 16:14 utc | 1 *b*. Posted by: Veritas X- | Feb 5 2020 16:28 utc | 2 My take on things is that this Wuhan corona virus has a potential to become Apocalyptic. I don’t like what I am seeing now. This is going to appear weird to most readers. But there is no proof of the existence of any so-called pathogenic virus. Dr Stefan Lanka discovered a real non-pathogenic virus in the late 1980s, purified it and measured its diameter – about 150nm I think. He then discovered that the HIV-virus was never isolated / purified nor the measles virus, mumps virus etc. Posted by: James McCumiskey | Feb 5 2020 17:00 utc | 5 Interesting media chart, showing MoA as politically balanced and distant from power/establishment (true!): Posted by: Anthony | Feb 5 2020 17:01 utc | 6 Ignoring the reported 2019-nCoV #s for China (which are suspect) but taking into account reported #s only for countries outside China (and assumed to be reasonably accurate), the calculated death rate (1/212) as of this morning is (rounded up) .5%. Hardly Apocalyptic. Posted by: Trisha | Feb 5 2020 17:02 utc | 7 @ Blues @3: Posted by: Zidar | Feb 5 2020 17:08 utc | 8 Another twin engine jet breaks apart on landing, this time in Turkey. Neither this article nor the one on CNN mention the manufacturer/model number… Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 17:14 utc | 9 Resumen: U.S. soldiers and contractors raped at least 54 Colombian girls between 2003 and 2007 in this Latin American country, recorded most of these abuses on video and sold them as pornographic material, according to the “Report of the Historical Commission on the Conflict and its Victims”, prepared by the Colombian government and representatives of the FARC guerrillas in the framework during the peace negotiations. Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 5 2020 17:17 utc | 10 Yesterday, Trump delivered a bombastic speech:
Beautiful and powerful speech. Shame it is not true:
Trump’s speech is a classic fides militum (FIDES MILITVM) case, where the exact opposite of what he’s stating is the truth. In this case, his speech reflects the world he thinks it should be over the world as it really is. It is dellusion disguised as reality, madness disguised as reason, up disguised as down. # 9 @ TT see “On A Wing and a Prayer” @ aljazeera on YT 737 N(f)G tend to break into several nice bits…they say. With testimonials. Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 17:23 utc | 12 Seattle Times reports that “According to flight tracking website Flightradar24, the plane is a Boeing 737”. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 17:30 utc | 13 Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 17:22 utc | 11 Posted by: SteveK9 | Feb 5 2020 17:31 utc | 14 I’m not so sure that the Coronavirus is so innocuous as some would have us think, simply becuase of the way China has reacted to it. Why quarantine tens of millions if it is no big deal? Do you trust China to provide accurate statistics if they are seeing a huge fatality rate with a highly infections organism? Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:32 utc | 15 Posted by: vk | Feb 5 2020 17:22 utc | @11 Posted by: gushn | Feb 5 2020 17:36 utc | 16 You can expect any government to lie about disasters like this. Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:40 utc | 17 The one thing that would scare China the most, I think, is if the virus was infectious before symptoms appear. A virus able to spread wholly undetected can be a nasty piece of work, specially one that’s seemingly a new addition to our species’ ills, because we don’t have any innate immunity around for the time being – if things go badly, a big chunk of the total population can get infected. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 17:44 utc | 19 Mossad playing both sides in the Ukrainian conflict: (?) Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 17:45 utc | 20 TT@9, others following the 737NG breaking up: the pictures I have seen (AP and my weather app – the story came up due to the weather in Istanbul) show a very similar pattern as that shown in the video referenced by walter @12. Posted by: NotBob | Feb 5 2020 17:46 utc | 21 Re; Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 17:44 utc | 20 Posted by: Per | Feb 5 2020 17:48 utc | 22 One reason for elections, for voting, for permitting voting, is to foster or create in the voters’ minds the belief that the vote was/is valid. Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 17:50 utc | 24 Brexit Posted by: Noirette | Feb 5 2020 17:52 utc | 25 Meanwhile, Germany continues to degenerate back towards Nazism: @27 Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 17:54 utc | 27 @ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 17:54 utc | 28 Neoliberalism is found in almost every party in Germany these days save the Die Link. The Greens are also Neoliberals. Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 29 @ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:13 utc | 29
Source? Per – 23 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 18:20 utc | 31 @Per @22 – The virus is contagious at least 5 days before symptoms appear, Trailer Trash, the Boeing crash in Istanbul was due to bad wet weather. The plane slid of the runway on landing. There were no imjuries. Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 18:23 utc | 33 # 30 and all. I read what I can about German politics, but am not properly able to grasp the process there. I think it is critically important though. Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 18:24 utc | 34 Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 18:23 utc | 33 Fair or foul, the point is that the body broke into pieces when it ain’t ‘spozed to. See the aljazeera docu I named. Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 18:26 utc | 35 HEY “In Turkey” HELLO there! Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 18:33 utc | 36 @30 Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:34 utc | 37 @ Blue Dotterel | Feb 5 2020 18:23 utc | 33 Posted by: Lurk | Feb 5 2020 18:35 utc | 38 There is a VERY interesting map somewhere in “The Saker” archives showing “starships'” route (among others) round and around and around island of Crete back in 2015 where the Mediterranean refuge crisis sparked… Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 18:41 utc | 39 Interesting to compare the state of the hulls between the recent Ural Airlines A320 incidents in Moscow (pretty much intact after landing in corn field gear up) and this 737 incident. I know which aircraft I’d rather be in if things get saucy. Posted by: sad canuck | Feb 5 2020 18:49 utc | 40 @ Posted by: Nick | Feb 5 2020 18:34 utc | 37 From b’s link @32:
Fauci. It figures. (He is near the top of my Contempt list, but it’s a long story.) The claim that the illness was contagious before symptomatic was based on ONE PERSON. Even better, the “researchers” involved didn’t even talk to her to find out if she had symptoms or not. It turns out she did. Methinks that making assumptions is not good scientific methodology. Maybe someone should tell Fauci. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 18:58 utc | 42 @vk Posted by: BG13 | Feb 5 2020 19:09 utc | 43 Can anyone explain: Was the Shadow/DNC op designed to quietly hand Iowa to Buttigeg with no one knowing but the whole op blew up because of a tech meltdown? Posted by: casey | Feb 5 2020 19:27 utc | 44 What China has now could be called a socialist form of national socialism. It lacks the most objectionable features of German National Socialism, and may well be the best governmental system currently on offer, in terms of the welfare it provides its citizens. By that criterion, it is certainly better than the U.S. system. That is why people in Washington now regard China as such a threat. They fear others will conclude what I have concluded. Posted by: lysias | Feb 5 2020 19:46 utc | 45 casey | Feb 5 2020 19:27 utc | 44 Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 5 2020 19:49 utc | 46 @ Posted by: lysias | Feb 5 2020 19:46 utc | 45 @ 44 casey.. good question…it completely destroyed any momentum saunders might have gotten and gave it all to trump.. looks like the fix is in… Posted by: james | Feb 5 2020 20:08 utc | 48 Re: Corona Posted by: dorje | Feb 5 2020 20:11 utc | 49 casey @44:
I don’t think anyone knows for sure at this point. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 5 2020 20:14 utc | 50 the make and model was up on RT right away. A boing 737. to X – I was wondering where you were. Miss your thoughtful remarks. RE boing. Is this coincidence – or are these planes really that unsafe. A runway accident a few days ago. Dumping fuel (on a schoolyard!! that pilot must have been Freaked!!!) to prepare for an emergency landing in LA a week or two ago. Have these planes passed their expiration date? Is there a maintenance failure in addition to design flaws? Hmmmm… Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 5 2020 20:22 utc | 51 Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 17:40 utc | 17: Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 5 2020 20:24 utc | 52 @b Posted by: dorje | Feb 5 2020 20:26 utc | 53 Miss Lacy | Feb 5 2020 20:22 utc | 51 Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 20:26 utc | 54 Any proof of life on Michael D’Andrea since the loss of the E-11A? Posted by: J Swift | Feb 5 2020 20:43 utc | 55 At least 52 people injured at that Istanbul air crash. Posted by: lysias | Feb 5 2020 20:46 utc | 56 Time isn’t saying definitively, but is kind of saying D’Andrea is not dead Time link Posted by: c1ue | Feb 5 2020 20:51 utc | 57 @ 44 Posted by: Maat | Feb 5 2020 20:55 utc | 58 I read that Bernie had five attorneys show up at the DNC immediately so perhaps this time he will fight back? Posted by: frances | Feb 5 2020 20:57 utc | 59 Any proof of life on Michael D’Andrea since the loss of the E-11A? Posted by: dorje | Feb 5 2020 20:58 utc | 60 @ Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 5 2020 20:22 utc | 51 who asked Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 5 2020 21:00 utc | 61 casey @44 Posted by: Vintage Red | Feb 5 2020 21:01 utc | 62 @vk 41 Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 5 2020 21:03 utc | 63 I can’t see how Turkey can wage wars on two fronts in Syria and Libya. Erdogan is threatening to attack Syrian forces if they don’t withdraw from behind the line of Turkish outposts. Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 5 2020 21:03 utc | 64 Remember when we were getting the hard sell on “mobile crematoriums” in eastern Ukraine because the Ukro-Nazis were supposedly so good at killing? Well, presumably they good at killing something other than little kids and old grandmothers, though there wasn’t very much evidence of that so we got the “mobile crematorium” tall tale to explain the lack of bodies. Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2020 21:19 utc | 65 A line from ‘the book’ has: ‘a child shall lead them’ somewhere in it. Came close but in error, ‘led by children’ sums up the SOTU. Who will put these preschoolers into different corners until they start behaving, or are there any adults in charge anymore. Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 5 2020 21:20 utc | 66 Michael Harriot said this about Pelosi tearing up the speech on Twitter: Posted by: Nolan Voyd | Feb 5 2020 21:33 utc | 67 =/ An asymptomatic carrier (healthy carrier or just carrier) is a person or other organism that has become infected with a pathogen, but that displays no signs or symptoms.[1] VK, Posted by: Richard | Feb 5 2020 21:37 utc | 69 I find it interesting that it is almost 48 hours since the Iowa Caucus “voting” happened and 25% of the vote is still not available for inclusion/reporting. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 5 2020 21:42 utc | 70 >I read that Bernie had five attorneys show up at the Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 21:47 utc | 71 All the chanting last night about how America is #1 . . . yeah but maybe most dumbed-down Americans have to use their cell phone to count higher than 1? Try getting a store clerk to figure out change without a calculator these days. Clearly you need an app to count votes or figure out where you are going (what’s a map?) Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 21:48 utc | 72 Are we supposed to have two Open Thread – 9’s? Or is this a bonus thread 9? Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 5 2020 21:52 utc | 73 @ Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 21:48 utc | 72 funny quote from RT, about the Iowa caucus fiasco:
Posted by: Mike P | Feb 5 2020 21:56 utc | 75 @ Perimetr | Feb 5 2020 21:48 utc | 72 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Feb 5 2020 21:56 utc | 76 For anybody who still thinks “kids won’t know what snow is”:
This is a big storm, even in my neighborhood, but certainly not “unprecedented”, the media’s most favored word for weather stories. I’ve got wood, food, candles, batteries, gas for the plow truck, and two cockatiels for company, so let ‘er rip… Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 22:00 utc | 77 Trailer Trash @ 9, 13, Blue Dotterel @ 33: Posted by: Jen | Feb 5 2020 22:06 utc | 78 @Richard 69 Posted by: Vato | Feb 5 2020 22:19 utc | 79 This is an astonishing article on what to expect in the 2020 election. Deep Fakes 24/7. Posted by: Pft | Feb 5 2020 22:22 utc | 80 James McCumiskey | Feb 5 2020 17:00 utc | 5
This is arrant rubbish. I don’t know what it is based on. Here is a reference to work on the ASF virus. I can’t find the analogous work on the Novel Coronar virus but I saw it a few days ago.
Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:29 utc | 81 I don’t suppose anyone here will be watching Hollywood’s annual self-congratulatory smugfest but two propaganda films “The Cave” (directed by Firas Fayyad as a companion piece to “Last Men in Aleppo”) and “For Sama” claiming to profile individuals trying to survive the Syrian War are competing for the Best [Fake] Documentary Oscar along with three other films. Posted by: Jen | Feb 5 2020 22:42 utc | 82 Trailer Trash | Feb 5 2020 17:14 utc | 9 Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:45 utc | 83 @ Posted by: Pft | Feb 5 2020 22:22 utc | 80 Clueless Joe | Feb 5 2020 17:44 utc | 19
That is precisely what it is. It is highly infectious even before any symptoms appear. Posted by: foolisholdman | Feb 5 2020 22:55 utc | 85 With all in their favor, money and the press, why the billionaires needed even to rig the Iowa Caucus?
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1224727690634317826 Posted by: Sasha | Feb 5 2020 22:55 utc | 86 Do recall that Socialism was declared the Enemy almost a century prior to the Russian Revolution. Let us recall the three demands of the French Revolution–Liberty, Equality, Fraternity–and how they so shocked the Establishment. Yes, Cromwell did behead his King, but he also massacred the Christian Socialists known as the Levelers and their allies. And what sort of character was made the first “Pulp Fiction” hero? The Scarlet Pimpernel, who saved aristocrats from the justice of the mob. Recall that written language was developed in Mesopotamia for the purpose of cost accounting, not for recording other events or disseminating religion. Also recall that learning how to read and write was very tightly controlled until the advent of the Protestant Revolt and was not deemed as something worthy of being universally attained. Operation Blackout How an Israeli Spy-Linked Tech Firm Gained Access to the US Gov’t’s Most Classified Networks Through its main investors, SoftBank and Lockheed Martin, Cybereason not only has ties to the Trump administration but has its software running on some of the U.S. government’s most classified and secretive networks. https://www.mintpressnews.com/cybereason-investors-offer-israeli-spy-classified-intelligence/264095/by: Qparticle @ 46 Better call HS right away.. so they can cover it up. Posted by: snake | Feb 5 2020 23:07 utc | 88 @ Posted by: Richard | Feb 5 2020 21:37 utc | 69 blues | Feb 5 2020 22:51 utc | 84 (paper b) Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 23:15 utc | 90 Regarding the Ayatollah Mike thing, I would be very surprised if he was a casualty in that E-11. I dont see why (unless they were trying some really sneaky shit disguising a transport mission or really upgraded that particular unit) they would be hauling a VIP like him in what, as far as I can tell, is basically a fancy and quite rare/unique flying router intended to expand signal coverage in mountainous areas and allow cross-communication for different aging aircraft electronics platforms. It’s way too specialized to be a dedicated VIP transport and not really, as far as I have read, equipped to do more nasty intel work, and if they wanted him to run communications for something I’d think they’d use the plane as the node as in its intended purpose and have him talk to the plane from a ground station. I could be wrong, of course. Posted by: Yetanotheranon | Feb 5 2020 23:17 utc | 91 @ 44 casey.. good question…it completely destroyed any momentum saunders might have gotten and gave it all to trump.. looks like the fix is in…” Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2020 23:38 utc | 92 UK telling can get the vaccine for Corona in 14 days… Posted by: ARN | Feb 5 2020 23:38 utc | 93 @ # 1 I brought up the W76-2 that’s gone to sea in Atlantic. This nifty gadget (they say they’ve two all polished up n’ ready) is “only” 5 kilotons of bang. Cute. One does imagine that fatboy Pompo sees this as enhanced “diplomacy” or, what was the term…”deterrence”…so easy to lose. Posted by: Walter | Feb 5 2020 23:40 utc | 94 Putin doing research for the upcoming “joint meeting of the State Council and the Presidential Council for Science and Education” and empowered by this: For all those convinced that the coronavirus had been weaponized with HIV, here’s an article from statnews.com (you may recall my constant calls to attend to the statistics of the issue):
Posted by: john brewster | Feb 5 2020 23:47 utc | 97 Yetanotheranon @91– Re Walter @ 94 and 95 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 6 2020 0:01 utc | 99 Today saw the specter of Trump extolling the great accomplishments of the nation and his administration–a command Orwellian Performance–while the truth reveals a massive homeless problem, shrinking economy, 50 Million children in poverty, and rapidly widening economic polarization where the current generation is already predicted to encounter Hard Times unless the status quo’s drastically altered. Posted by: Vig | Feb 6 2020 0:06 utc | 100 |
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