Coronavirus - The Decline Of New Cases Continues - Economic Ripples Begin To Emerge
China is making more progress in the fight against the novel coronavirus while other countries see increased problems. Meanwhile the global economic damage that the epidemic causes is slowly coming into view.
In our last discussion of the Coronavirus epidemic in China we criticized a statistical change made by the Chinese authorities:
The Chinese government has added a new category of infections to the total number of COVID-19 cases. So far there were two published categories. 'Suspected cases', which were people who may have come in contact with the virus and showed flu symptoms, and 'confirmed cases' of patients who fell ill and where the virus was found during tests. Now people who show signs of pneumonia will be added to the confirmed COVID-19 cases even when the tests do not find the nCov19 virus in their body.
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The new count will thereby include a lot of people who simply have a common flu. That seems to make little sense.
Those who had fallen into the new category had a death rate that was much smaller than the original COVID-19 cases. That proved that a simple diagnose of pneumonia is not a reliable indicator for a nCoV19 virus infection.
Yesterday the Chinese authorities reversed their position. 'Clinically diagnosed' cases, people with only signs of pneumonia, are no longer included in the published numbers. This led to a drastic fall in new cases reported yesterday.
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The data reported today showed a drastic increase in cases as two prisons, which had for some reason never reported any cases, were suddenly included with a total of some 500 new confirmed and suspected cases. The communist party manager of at least one of the prisons was immediately removed from his job.
The general trend of newly confirmed or suspected cases has been going down since February 5. The number of remaining confirmed cases has started to sink as there are now less new patients per day than recovered ones. China's rigorous handling of the outbreak, after a too slow start, is a great success. There will be at times new clusters suddenly emerging like the two prisons today. But a greater catastrophe has been avoided.
The total numbers as reported by China today:
As of 24:00 on Feb 20, the National Health Commission had received 75,465 reports of confirmed cases and 2,236 deaths in 31 provincial-level regions on the Chinese mainland and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, and in all 18,264 patients had been cured and discharged from hospital. There still remained 54,965 confirmed cases (including 11,633 in serious condition) and 5,206 suspected cases. So far, 606,037 people have been identified as having had close contact with infected patients. 120,302 are now under medical observation.
While China has done a good job, at an enormous cost, to contain the outbreak, others are far less efficient. Japan has created a mess when it quarantined the cruise ship Diamond Princess in Yokohama with 3,700 passengers and crew members on board. Originally there were ten cases on board. Now 634 on board have tested positive for the virus.
Dr. Kentaro Iwata, an experienced specialist for infectious diseases, visited the ship under some difficulties. He has reported that there were no significant isolation measures taken on board of the ship. There were no safe areas. Infected and uninfected people mixed during meals. After the visit the doctor put himself under quarantine and recorded a video with his findings.
It seems that Japan's feared bureaucracy has handled the issue without the advice from any specialist. Cruise ships are perfect to spread diseases. They have central air conditioning and central sewage systems that can spread viruses to every room on board. There are many places on board which are commonly used. The crew is usually housed in less than perfect conditions. Any suspected cases should have been taken off board immediately. But these were simply told to stay in their cabins which they, of course, did not do.
The Japanese military has some troops working on the ship but they are only now taking protective measures which are still less than sufficient:
About 50 staffers from the Self-Defense Forces are working on the vessel to examine the passengers, disinfect cabins and transport patients. The ship was quarantined for two weeks off Yokohama on Feb. 5 to prevent COVID-19 from spreading in Japan.Those handling medicine are now required to wear masks, gloves, gowns and hair caps, ministry officials said.
At a news conference, Kono admitted that the Defense Ministry applied the standards — which are higher than those in use by health ministry officials working on the vessel — after viewing a video from the ship posted by Dr. Kentaro Iwata of Kobe University Hospital, who joined the disaster-relief team as a veteran infectious disease specialist.
On Wednesday 500 Japanese passengers who had tested negative were let go from the ship without further measures. But many of them will carry the virus as more new confirmed cases from the ship still appear daily. These people should have been further isolated. Letting them leave without such measures guarantees that new outbreaks will soon appear throughout Japan.
This situation might have developed due to political pressure. Japan is supposed to hold the summer Olympics later this year and it may have wanted to avoid bad headlines. To me it seems that there will be no Olympics this year and that Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe will soon hear some harsh public criticism.
Another big cluster established itself in Daegu, South Korea, where people from a Christian sect infected each other during mass. There are currently some 130 such cases and some 70 more spread elsewhere in South Korea.
Iran has a smaller cluster in Qom with 14 cases. It closed all schools and seminaries and suspended religious gatherings in the city. Other countries report single new cases or small clusters. This will continue as the disease races around the world. Large new outbreaks will appear in those many countries which have less than perfect medical systems or where the authorities want to suppress news of a smaller outbreak.
In the Ukraine rioters had to be brought under control when they protested against quarantining evacuees from China near their villages.
The economic ripple effect of this epidemic and of the enormous quarantine in China will be huge. It will be felt everywhere but especially in highly developed industries:
The impacts on China both intrinsic and psychological are still vastly under estimated. This is the largest containment/effective imprisonment via quarantine of human being in world history. People are assuming no ripples from that.The biggest factor that's not understood is the non linearity of supply chains. A two week total shut down *does not* mean a two week delay in products to consumer. This is very different from the tariff impacts, where pricing was adjusted.
A single component missing in a 500+ part product means all levels of production are moot. Autos and consumer electronics are obvious examples. We have heard from multiple auto players and Jaguar has publicly stated they have sub 2 weeks of operating inventory.
Just In Time (JIT) production is a form of operational leverage. And like all forms of leverage, there is a non linear downside effect. People are not putting it together that this is a very big deal. It's not a 1 month hit. It's not a 1 quarter hit. It's an annual hit *right now*.
Some large factories which depend on parts from China will soon have to shut down. Then their other suppliers will also have to cease production. The loss of income will be felt throughout the local economies.
The effects of the epidemic may well lead to an end of the globalization of production processes. Companies will go back to buying locally to be as unaffected as possible from similar future incidents. This might well be the most positive long term outcome of this epidemic.
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The Mr. Joshua types are not the worst ones in the CIA and like organizations. By far the worst types are like Dulles, Haspel, Pompeo, Brennan and Clapper. The Mr. Joshua types are obviously psychopathic killers. The others I mentioned are murderous on a far larger scale, but hide it better.
Posted by: JasonT | Feb 22 2020 14:16 utc | 102
Since W.H.O. announced yesterday that it's on the verge of declaring COVID 19 a global epidemic, I was wondering whether COVID 19 germs/ spores deposited on surfaces in Public Spaces "die" or "hibernate" until they find a new host?
I have a doco about Moon exploration and one of the peripheral incidents which crops up in the doco concerns a piece of failed equipment from a previous mission (a camera or a radio(?)) which was taken back to Earth for forensic examination. Inside the item the boffins found some sneeze residue from which they were able to grow some common cold germs despite their having been in the harsh Moon environment for several years.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 22 2020 15:38 utc | 103
Democracy, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Human Right, Liberal this and that are nothing more than Zionist marketing tool to achieve regime change objective :)
Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 16:54 utc | 104
Moon landings (@103)
Perhaps the 'sneeze residue' never went to the moon?
Do you never find it strange, that even with our modern technology, including computer and rocket power, we still do not have the 'space toys' to recreate the manned moon landings from fifty years ago?
Have you ever studied a moon lander, looking as though it was made from tent poles and al-foil? Have you ever wondered, 'how lucky do I feel', when contemplating an ascent and descent to the moon in this kiddies contraption, built for a movie set!
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 22 2020 16:56 utc | 105
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 22 2020 16:56 utc | 105
(Moon landing)
I regret posting my #103. I forgot that the Chinese are disinfecting every interior surface which they suspect could harbor the Coronavirus.
I know a couple of highly qualified engineers in the aerospace industry and they're quite certain that the Yankees could and did put people on the moon. The Russians haven't disputed it and they had engineering expertise comparable to the Yankees. Being non-commercial, it's too expensive for lesser countries to contemplate and justify. EVERY SINGLE piece of SINGLE USE hardware required for putting a man on the Moon, and bringing him back alive, had to be custom-designed, custom-built, and exhaustively tested. That costs truckloads of money - for every item. I like a good conspiracy theory but there's ample evidence that the Moon landings did take place. And the official explanations for apparent anomalies are at least plausible. eg the waving flag, the contradictory shadows and the 'wrong' sky above the horizon etc etc.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 22 2020 18:18 utc | 106
Courtesy of Chinahand's twitter:
Once widely criticized, the Wuhan quarantine bought the world time to prepare for Covid-19
Now that white people is dying and panic is spreading in the First World, China's quarantine is being praised by the western MSM.
As this thread appears to be at its end, I will post reply to Hoarsewhisperer@106 in regard to the "moon landings" that I also grew up with
see https://www.aulis.com/investigation.htm
excerpts from links listed on above site
http://www.aulis.com/moonbase2015.htm safe entry of astronauts impossible using published parameters of descent of landing capsule into atmosphere (did not use skip landing technique developed much later) plus US lunar lander is missing (The descent-stage top deck of the LM had a continuous, firm upper surface with no routes through which the hot gases could escape when the ascent engine was fired.)
http://www.aulis.com/apollo17_ascent.htm For the rocket with the same propulsion as Apollo, its Reactive Control System (RCS) has to be much quicker than that of Apollo, and the resulting Orbit Insertion trajectory cannot be performed with Apollo's guidance logic.
http://www.aulis.com/scientific_analysis.htm Very detailed analysis of hundreds of photos of astronauts on moon showing all types of alterations were made to them.
http://www.aulis.com/photostudy.htm Detailed photostudy of an Apollo 15 image shows a host of fabrications
http://www.aulis.com/illusion.htm Detailed summary of discrepancies by Soviet/Russian scientist who graduated from the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology majoring in Aerodynamics (bio at end)
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 22 2020 19:01 utc | 108
Europe and the Americas, 97 cases, 1 death.
Outside of Hubei, 14,000 cases, 109 deaths, 0.7% fatality rate which is probably 0.007-0.07% if those who caught it but had mild symptoms or no symptoms could be counted.
Posted by: Pft | Feb 22 2020 21:02 utc | 109
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 22 2020 19:01 utc | 108
Thanks for those links. I still like conspiracy theories and will skim them for flaws/ persuasive propositions. I'd hate to be the LAST person to discover that the first Moon landing was, indeed, faked.
OTOH, it's 50 years ago and knowledge and tech advances, for example Space-X's multi-use self-landing rockets, have revolutionised the potential for cheap space-travel, as have Virgin & others efforts to offer quick trips to the edge of the atmosphere and back in time for lunch. And let's not forget the millionaire(s) who pay to visit the ISS from Russia's Cosmodrome. Which render's NASA's real or imagined trickery of Yesteryear somewhat irrelevant... maybe even "good" in the sense of making space travel seem possible, practical and survivable.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 22 2020 21:16 utc | 110
Hoarsewhisperer
Back in the fifties and sixties, US was capable of building good stuff. Kelly Johnson built the SR 71 in that era. A plane a long long way ahead of the times and very few teething problems.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 21:26 utc | 111
Peter, building a high-altitude strategic reconnaissance plane is certainly a huge technical acheivement.
But the complexities of safely passing through Van Allen Belts, landing on the moon, and returning the ship safely to Earth presented technical problems far beyond the capabilities of the US in 1969-1972. Do you think it was just "funding problems" that prevented the US from returning to the moon? LOL
Please, take a look at the links and consider the evidence. The Apollo hoax preceded other massive lies, like the assassinations of JFK, MLS, and RKF, and later, 9/11. Those responsible label the factual explanations as "conspiracy theories". Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 22 2020 21:38 utc | 112
Perimetr
That was the days of the cold war. Soviet Union was also very advanced in space stuff. If the US pulled a hoax Soviet Union and todays Russia would be saying so. I believe that even in those days, Soviet Union was capable of tracking US space stuff.
Soviet Union also had a moon program at that time. The engines developed then is what the US buys from Russia now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 21:57 utc | 114
Oh for fucks sake :D
Out of curiosity I looked at the ascent page. His idea of when the camera stops tilting upwards is pure speculation following a white dot on a black background (no reference points). All he's doing is looking at where in the frame the white dot is, nothing else, and anything at all can be made to fit that.
That's stupid. Really stupid. (And if I really want something stupid I can go find a mirror :P).
I stopped there, I suspect there's much more to object to but I don't care enough about stupid people to bother so when something as stupid as this has been established I'll just walk away and leave them alone in their idiocy.
Be more critical please, don't stop after having been critical in only one direction.
Other than that I'm not going to judge what kind of hobbies people have :)
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 22 2020 22:15 utc | 115
It is equally stupid to look at one link and come to such conclusions.
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 22 2020 22:45 utc | 116
If the Chinese virus can be spread through the plumbing/waste water systems then how does this apply to the cities which treat waste water and convert it into drinking water? (London??)
All you need is a failure in the filtering system, or a virus which can defeat the filter, or deliberate sabotage,and then you have a pandemic of biblical proportions!
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 22 2020 23:45 utc | 118
SRB @117--
We do know for sure that they do lie a lot. Stir in the fact that they still have not attempted to do it again and you have to at least accept that it is a definite possibility.
Same with the JFK murder , and 911, and several other events where the official story leaves plenty of room for doubt.
The only thing that allows me to perhaps accept the official version is the fact that no one has ever come forward. Same with JFK, 911, etc.
Posted by: arby | Feb 22 2020 23:57 utc | 119
Anyone who looks at the moon landing project in detail must conclude that it was a hoax, and there were plenty of US political reasons for having everyone looking at the 'bright shiny thing' in the sky - Kennedy assassinations, the failure of the London gold pool, Vietnam war, hippy revolts, university student murders, etc, etc. The US was a petri-dish of rebellion! The Russian grain crop had also failed and perhaps the US made a deal with Russia - give us our moon landing illusion and we will give you grain shipments and the illusion of a communist paradise!
It is a sign of awakening intelligence if you can understand that 9-11 and the moon landings were deliberately faked.
If you can't look at the moon rover doing doughnuts on the moon, filmed in real time, in perfect focus, by an astronaut in a moon suit, while beaming the footage live back to earth, and not feel as though you are in the comedy show 'Get Smart', then you are deeper into the rabbit hole of deception than you would care to admit!
The nicest thing I can say about the moon landings was that maybe they did it and then mixed in a lot of footage shot on earth to 'pad' out the story. But then someone is going to ask, 'so which bits were real and.."
All the TV stations were allowed to do was to film a screen upon which NASA was projecting the 'real time' events - the movie they had created from the footage they had already shot on earth!
Maybe it is time 'B' did a thread on the moon landing deceptions?
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 0:11 utc | 120
This Dmitri Orlov link would make a good primer for a moon lander sceptic.
It includes links to Dave McGowan's stuff, links which are worth reading just for the entertainment value!
https://www.serendipity.li/orlov-on-moon-landings.htm
Surely you are not going to doubt Dmitri???
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 0:29 utc | 121
Just for the record, while I greatly admire Orlov, I don't accept everything he writes as gospel I think he is less that informed on nuclear power, as I think he ignores the issue of the fission products and nuclear waste created by nuclear power plants
I am trained as a scientist and I look for evidence-based arguments. I have spent a great deal of time attempting to analyze the various arguments about the Apollo program, the Kennedy assassinations, 9/11, etc.
One of the reasons I greatly admire b and his site MoA is because b is true journalist and he clearly works to publish what he sees as the truth. Such a rarity these days in the national security state.
Everyone can be wrong. I would prefer to be wrong about my assessments of these events, please, convince me. I would prefer to work in my orchard and play piano and help my children, and forget about all these horrors . . . nuclear war, false flags, biological warfare, endless war and murder . . .
Otherwise, I feel an obligation to attempt to publicize and discuss these atrocities, in hopes that somehow an apocalypse can be prevented. The biosphere is such a beautiful place . . .
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 23 2020 0:51 utc | 122
I used to associate with a group of Flat Earthers back before G@@gle shut their social media platform down (G@@gle felt that social media was partially responsible for the establishment candidate not winning like planned in 2016). An important point about the Flat Earthers is that many of them didn't really believe that the Earth was flat. They just felt that it was entertaining to try to construct rational and logically consistent arguments to support a notion as off-the-wall as the Earth being flat.
I tend to think that many of the Apollo Hoaxers are the same. After all, subsequent lunar orbiters have recorded detailed imagery of some of the Apollo landing sites. The Apollo descent stages and other equipment are all still there on the Moon... and will remain there for a very long time.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 23 2020 0:52 utc | 123
From the linked "scientific analysis" page.
Apollo 17 comparisons using the tools provided by Google Earth for Moon simulationIn this section we present a comparison of Apollo 17 photographs and composites with Google Earth simulations. We have chosen this mission as it was performed in complex terrain and the likelihood of any errors in model presentations is high.
Funny how they are referring to a imaginary model that NASA would have used during the alleged staging of photos.
Between lines 3 and 4 there is a great dissimilarity in the detail of the mountain contour. This would appear to mean that either there is something wrong in the Apollo photographs, and/or the data used to generate the simulations in Google Earth (Moon) are faulty.
When they finally recognize the possibility that the simulation may be "faulty" they proceed on using it as benchmark. Which is not only clever, it leads them in an effortless track, avoiding any attempts at estimating the error they may be dealing with on their ground truth.
ConclusionsFurthermore, missing land features in the Apollo photos and video recordings compared to the Google Earth (Moon) simulations indicate staging of the landings and the EVAs, unless some recent event (meteoritic or otherwise that has not been recorded) has produced the discrepancies in the moonscape.
Dog ate my homework kind of excuse. It must have been a meteor for sure, Google Earth (Moon) data fidelity/resolution can't possibly allow for such discrepancies. And 2 "PhD"s so spend 40% of their presentation citing Google Earth. Talking about wasted time.
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I don't know about you but I abhor this type of shite, it is not the ignorance, it is knowingly passing bogus information as science, it is EFFING insulting to both Greeks and Cypriots. Perimetr brought us here, nice joke Perimetr.
Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Feb 23 2020 0:56 utc | 124
Vasco de Gama, it would be helpful if you provided some links to your statements. I am not "knowingly passing bogus information as science". I provided the links that appeared to me as genuine scientific assessments. As I stated, I am ready to be convinced otherwise, but I require evidenced-based arguments.
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 23 2020 1:07 utc | 125
Perimetr, my comments are from your own link (scientific_analysis.htm) you described as "Very detailed analysis of hundreds of photos of astronauts on moon showing all types of alterations were made to them."
"knowingly passing bogus information as science" was an assessment of the supposed "PhD"s which authored the text contained in that link you so described. But now I am lead to think that you have not read it yourself, in which case for that description to apply to you, one needs only to prefix it with "un-knowingly".
Regarding my statements they are my own, there is no need to link to them, you are getting them first hand.
Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Feb 23 2020 1:25 utc | 126
The scientific mind believes that our universe is simply 'rocks from nothing' and the mind is a 'hallucination created by complex chemistry'.
Science then uses the mind, a 'hallucination', to define what is 'real and not-real'. No failure of logic in this approach???
Plenty of scientists believe that three steel frame buildings, on 9-11, collapsed at free fall speed, through their central core, simply by following the laws of physics.
Plenty of scientists believe that the moon landings were created using 1960's technology, while in 2020 we cannot 'repeat the experiment'!
Plenty of scientists are IDIOTS!
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 1:31 utc | 127
So my scientific Flash Gordons. You are sitting in your moon lander, on the moon
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/lunar-module-2-apollo
You have a slide rule between your teeth, as modern computers have not been invented, and you are going to rendezvous with the orbiter and return to earth.
The walls of your lander are the thickness of three sheets of Al-foil
If the lander is on more than 12 degrees of tilt, you cannot take off, and yet you have landed in a meteor field.
You have seconds of extra rocket fuel to make the rendezvous.
Ask yourself, 'how lucky do I feel, punk'!!
Of do you think to yourself,'thank god this is only a movie set. Coffee anyone'?
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 1:44 utc | 128
Gravity is a beautiful hallucination, I can't even recall when I started having it, I suspect it was quite early. It was surely before the Arrival, but it can't possibly have been before 2013. Recommended!
Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Feb 23 2020 1:48 utc | 129
Re: Vasco da Gama | Feb 23 2020 1:25 utc | 126
Rather than turn this into a "he said, she said" argument, I will simply repost the link you seem to think is bogus and invite othe readers to examine it: https://www.aulis.com/scientific_analysis.htm
I have never posted information that I knew to be fraudulent. I used to believe that what I was told in school and learned from the "news" was the truth. My experience has taught me otherwise.
If you read the links I posted (yes, I read them), the explain the reason no one has managed to get back to the moon in the last 40-50 years is because no human has yet to set foot on the moon. Look at https://www.aulis.com/moonbase2015.htm and consider the issues of reentry and also the design of the lunar module (LM) in terms of its ability to lift-off from the lunar surface.
Not to mentione the analysis of the photos provided by NASA that are shown to be fakes, created with artifical light sources in a studio setting, see https://www.aulis.com/scientific_analysis.htm and
https://www.aulis.com/did_we_land.htm
Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 23 2020 1:59 utc | 130
I am sure if Bangladesh had said they landed on the moon and returned 50 years ago then the people who currently defend the moon mission would be baying like hounds that it was a fraud.
But when faced with the same facts, but presented by NASA, they say everything is kosher and credible .
They trust the information source, even though, 50 years later, NASA cannot even build a rocket to reach the space station, 400kms above the earth!
NASA is hoping that they can return to the moon in 2028, so long as they can figure out the design of a moon lander. Hey, just borrow the one from the Smithsonian, the design worked flawlessly, time after time, back in the 1960's!
This has been a broadcast from Radio Bangladesh!
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 2:52 utc | 131
The link from Vasco says that the managers decided to cut the NASA chief out of the decision loop and he was fired by the President, allowing the unproved moon mission to go ahead, or at least be created down at the Shakespearean theatre department. Roll in the aluminium foil lander, camera roll, action!
It seems as though the moon landing decisions were made from deep within the military/intelligence/industrial complex and we know that those guys never lie to us – you know, Saint Dulles and Friends!
https://www.aulis.com/moonbase2015.htm
This schedule, heavily weighted with radical tasks, was soon made even heavier. Now we know that even completing step A was problematic, due to the unsatisfactory outcome of Apollo 6 in April 1968: namely, serious pogo oscillations in the first stage, failures of two J-2 engines out of the five in the second stage, and failure of the J-2 engine in the third stage to reignite.
Despite all this, just a few months later in August, the program’s top management quietly and unexpectedly proposed "to fly to the moon on only the second manned Apollo spacecraft, the first manned Saturn V, and the first Saturn V to fly after the failure-ridden Apollo 6." (Apollo, 1989, p.317) This new mission was purely an administrative decision to fly, despite all evident technical problems.
A test flight without the LM could be seen as an expected outcome in the absence of this item, not due to be flight ready until early 1969. Yet the plan to send a crew on a fly-by around the Moon and back, without first having tested the return capsule on the full range re-entry conditions, was the highest risk imaginable for the astronauts.
This extraordinarily "brave" decision to fly straight to the Moon was taken by a group of top managers in the absence of NASA Administrator James Webb who was attending a United Nations conference in Vienna, Austria, on 14-27 August on the peaceful use of outer space. Webb's reaction to their decision was unambiguous: total disbelief. A man of integrity who led NASA to fulfilment of the lunar program without compromise, Webb did not consider that circumlunar flight was achievable at that stage.
As a result, on 16 September President Johnson suggested that he resign immediately and on 7 October James Webb left NASA. The agency held a press conference in late August 1968 revealing that Apollo 8 was going to be a "flexible mission" so the spacecraft could achieve high-Earth orbit, i.e. factually it was the E-step mission (see table 1 above), "with an apogee several thousand miles out." (Apollo, 1989, p.323)
The Orion development and testing saga has revealed one of the crucial technical elements which was missing in the "brave" plan of that circumlunar flight of 1968: step E-testing which would test a CM during a high speed re-entry. This element – the success of which was vital for any lunar mission – was omitted as if it wasn't significant. A sub-orbital flight of a test capsule in 1966 in interim conditions (AS-202, 1967), had been a good step in the right direction but certainly insufficient for taking that 1968 decision to fly by the Moon.
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 3:11 utc | 132
Sorry, this thread is getting confusing. That Aurelius link was posted by Perimetr!
Posted by: Ric G | Feb 23 2020 3:14 utc | 133
thank you to trolls who hijacked this corona virus thread into moonlanding conspiracy.. we know your handles and now you use sockpuppetry to pretend many account replied to your own posts
Posted by: milomilo | Feb 23 2020 6:52 utc | 135
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-election-khamenei/irans-leader-says-enemies-tried-to-use-coronavirus-to-impact-vote-idUSKCN20H09Z?il=0
"Iran, which confirmed its first case of the new coronavirus two days before the polls, has announced 28 cases of the virus in four different cities, including Tehran. With seven deaths, Iran has the highest death toll from the new coronavirus outside of China, the homeland of the outbreak."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-iran-toll/iran-reports-43-people-infected-with-coronavirus-eight-dead-idUSKCN20H0AT?il=0
"Iran confirmed 15 new cases of the new coronavirus, Health Ministry spokesman Kianush Jahanpur said on state TV on Sunday, adding that the death toll has reached eight in the country.
“So far, we have 43 infected cases and the death toll is eight,” said Kianush Jahanpur."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2020 10:39 utc | 136
Moon landings !!!
Oh I see ‘they don’t wont us to mention the coronavirus germ warfare against China.
As in Coronavirus patented by - - -
Perbright institution U.K.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2020 12:35 utc | 137
@Posted by: Vonu | Feb 21 2020 19:17 utc | 24
the story you linked comes originally from nosleep subreddit -- it's a community for the horror story writers ... meaning it's fiction
the horror stories are spreading ... I've thought The American Conservative has often good writing but this is gory ...
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/china-apocalypse-buddhist-prophecy-locusts/
talking about influence campaigning take a look at the White House's We The People petition site ...
Posted by: anon | Feb 23 2020 13:27 utc | 138
@Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2020 12:35 utc | 137
Is it warfare if you give the other guy enough rope to hang himself?
Look for the part where the Chinese paid the US to participate in gain-of-function research, and note that the Wuhan lab, even though lvl 4 had leaks in the past.
Posted by: Michael | Feb 23 2020 13:48 utc | 139
Jeffery on Idlib.
https://www.state.gov/ambassador-james-jeffrey-on-the-situation-in-syria/#.Xj9IhGjRA7c.twitter
"The main problem we have right now, aside from the fear that we could have a major refugee crisis on our hands with millions of people, we have, of course, many members of al-Nusrah, certainly to the tune of 7- to 10,000, perhaps more there. Some of those are international terrorists. We have also other international terrorist groups there, al-Qaida offshoots and ISIS, as you know from some of our military operations there."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2020 14:31 utc | 140
Wrong thread. will repost 140 at the Syria thread.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 23 2020 14:32 utc | 141
Can somebody explain why the Iran outbreak started so close to the elections?
Why in the religious city of Qom? So central to Iran?
Why is it being so lethal in Iran?
Posted by: CarlD | Feb 23 2020 17:59 utc | 142
@Posted by: CarlD | Feb 23 2020 17:59 utc | 142
I think there's a lot of international activity happening in the affected towns as they are all on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Gas_Trunkline
Posted by: Michael | Feb 23 2020 21:10 utc | 143
Excellent and very humorous moon landing take apart. fairly long . 15 or 16 parts.
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/
Posted by: arby | Feb 23 2020 21:22 utc | 144
CORONAVIRUS WITH TIME MACHINE?
I have reviewed the article preprint quoted in this article by China Global Television Network. It is bogus!
New study further proves Wuhan seafood market not the source of COVID-19A recent study conducted by a group of Chinese scientists have found further genome evidence to prove that the seafood market in Wuhan is not the source of the novel coronavirus – a claim first made in a paper published on The Lancet.
The study, led by researchers from Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden of Chinese Academy of Sciences, South China Agricultural University and Chinese Institute for Brain Research, was published on ChinaXiv on Saturday in a pre-print version without peer review.
Per the study, genetic data suggests the virus was introduced from elsewhere and had already circulated widely among humans in Wuhan before December 2019, probably beginning in mid to late November.
The crowded seafood market facilitated the virus transmission to buyers and spread to the whole city on a large scale in early December 2019, corresponding to the estimated population expansion time, the study shows.
Researchers collected the genome-wide data from 93 new coronavirus samples shared on the GISAID EpiFlu, an international database that stores information about influenza virus, to study the evolution and human-to-human transmission of the virus over the past two months.
Did haplotype H3 come before H1? The article preprint claims so:
Decoding evolution and transmissions of novel pneumonia coronavirus using the whole genomic dataH1 and its descendant haplotypes from the Hua Nan market should be derived from the H3 haplotype, which was not linked to the market.
The phylogenetic network alone cannot determine what was the ancestral haplotype. Mutations can have happened both ways. There are three ways of deriving the ancestral node from a phylogenetic network:
- Date the appearance of each haplotype.
- Follow known infection patterns.
- Compare genomes to known distant ancestor (bat-RaTG13-CoV).
The ChinaXiV paper is doing this wrong. The known cases of H3 appeared one month later than H1. This is evident from the haplotype timeline included in the article.
Neither have they demonstrated the link to link to bat-RaTG13-CoV through their hypothesized haplotype mv1. Choosing another hypothesized haplotype could as well have produced a link to some other SARS-CoV-2 haplotype.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 24 2020 5:49 utc | 145
Outside of China, Iran is hardest hit and much higher percentage of deaths amongst those diagnosed.
Perhaps due to people not looking for help until they are very sick or perhaps a different strain. Nothing yet on how it got to Qom. Qom is a cultural or religious site and also where the Fordow nuclear facility is located.
Most of the neighbouring countries have now closed their borders to Iran. So not only hit hard as far as percentage of deaths, Iran might also take the hardest economic hit outside of China.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2020 10:49 utc | 146
"Reza Khaasteh
@Khaaasteh
#Coronavirius death toll increasing in #Iran: Health Minister says the number of confirmed cases has increased to 47, 12 of whom have died.
The previous number of cases was 43, 8 of whom had died. So all the four new cases are dead."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2020 11:13 utc | 147
Cases exploding in South Korea, picking up in Italy and Iran.
b: It is fine. Chima is doing a great job.
I hope there is cash involved and that this isn't just extreme ignorance. This is the opposite of decline. Infections can be spread for up to 30 days. This is a powder keg.
Posted by: Boldizar | Feb 24 2020 11:17 utc | 148
Of course China is doing a great job, they have managed to contain it and slow it down for almost two months and counting because they're still fighting it.
But of course it's not perfect and never will be, not in China, not in Japan, not in South Korea, not in Iran, Italy, or anywhere else either because perfection is damn hard and requires everyone to follow simple rules like "don't leave your cabin" on a cruiseship. When people act like toddlers or can't be assed to help themselves due to idiocy, ignorance, or entitlement then it will fail.
Continued efforts towards containment and slowing down transmission is the difference between having treatment capacity available or not. If it spreads at a natural "panic" speed then there won't be any and it certainly won't matter how many toilet rolls some Italian managed to hoard.
Maybe now the rich countries will feel the heat and do more to fund the WHO request? It will still take a long time to learn exactly how dangerous the virus is. There wasn't any good reason to dawdle to begin with.
None of this will stop the US/CIA from continuing their never-ending bullshit which they then blame on Russia (as they're already doing concerning the bio-weapon nonsense).
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 24 2020 12:52 utc | 149
@Peter AU1 #146:
Nothing yet on how it got to Qom. Qom is a cultural or religious site and also where the Fordow nuclear facility is located.
My first thought was, perhaps, there’s a nuclear facility in Wuhan, but a map of Chinese nuclear facilities says otherwise. Then again, if a Chinese facility was helping Iran with the nukes, China wouldn’t be reporting its existence to IAEA.
Posted by: S | Feb 24 2020 14:19 utc | 150
Mystery - have any cases of this new, highly infectious virus been reported in the good ole US of A?
Posted by: bob | Feb 24 2020 20:24 utc | 151
S
China and Iran do business together though I'm not sure about the nuclear field. I think Russia is or was involved in building a nuclear facility in Iran and also some research. China signed a large oil deal with Iran not long back. Perhaps there is some industry at Qom Chinese are involved in, but I thought an outbreak would be more likely to occur in Tehran or somewhere involved with the oil industry.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 24 2020 20:44 utc | 152
So why is it that we never see any photo of the sun taken by all those missions?And the star strewn vault?I mean ,the guy comes out of the tin can,glad he can stretch his legs abit,and is overwhelmed by the brightness of the sun,which you can't overlook.I guess the sun shows as a brilliant ball of fire in a black surrounding,should be the photo of the year.
Posted by: willie | Feb 25 2020 0:00 utc | 153
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Could you please be so kind and leave this thread to the original subject - THANK YOU!
Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Feb 25 2020 3:42 utc | 154
"Economic ripples begin to emerge"
Greece Stock market crashed at 10% yesterday, 10 year bonds up at 1.5, gloomy outlook for tourist season that starts at March ends at October. Attributed to global scare of CoV 19 outbreak.
Riot police and regular units numbering in the thousands are making landing as we speak at 3 different large islands at eastern Aegean next to Turkey to confiscate private farmers land vital for them to survive, in order to build enclosed camps for flooding refugees across the sea from Turkey that are coming from all directions.
Islanders up in arms blocking ports with heavy equipment to prevent landing police.
Gov threatens to send in the army.
Roaming police in civilian outfits drawing guns and threatening students/public in broad daylight inside public universities in the capital.
Just across the street large public intersection, a gang of Albanians just gunned down a store owner in broad daylight for no reason. People are scarred. This is a 1.5 million pop city BTW.
Country will go tits up by end of 2020. Tsipras was so much better, than these alt right Mossad installed clowns since July.
Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 25 2020 4:11 utc | 155
Well, Mr. Trump is now in India and there is no Coronavirus in that country being reported at all.
Posted by: Boxwood tree | Feb 25 2020 4:20 utc | 156
Forgot. New government takes absolutely no preemptive measures for the outbreak. Refuses to even implement body temperature readings at people arriving from Italy. All intensive care units in biger cities are already overflooding with patients and chaos looms if the outbreak makes a landing. Already an unspecified number of possible CoV19 infections at Patra (Patrais) city with the second largest harbor in East Med that hosts the annual carnival, gov has not issued any cancelation order. It is still being held for the coming Sunday. City already has an 28% unemployment rate, many anticipate the fiesta to make yearly ends meet.
Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 25 2020 4:31 utc | 157
#156 maybe he went there to suppress the information? God knows what happens when it hits India. India is no China.
Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 25 2020 4:36 utc | 158
Noor @ 79
Very frightening.
So much of what exactly is being depicted is unclear.
Why are some men getting beaten up?
Are people really being locked into theior houses? Have they been diagnosed as infected?
It is like an underwater scene. Extremely unsettling.
I found myself constantly thinking: Thank God I am not there.
Very selfish thought, since all have the same feelings as I.
There must be a great deal of dread abroad in China today. Surreal.
Posted by: Really?? | Feb 26 2020 3:00 utc | 159
The world economy has lost 1,000 billion USD due to the corona virus epidemic
Posted by: potty racers 3 | Feb 27 2020 3:40 utc | 160
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Speaking of "global supply chains":
UK’s Post-Brexit Passports Made by Franco-Dutch Company at Polish Factory – Report
Posted by: vk | Feb 22 2020 13:42 utc | 101