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February 21, 2020

Coronavirus - The Decline Of New Cases Continues - Economic Ripples Begin To Emerge

China is making more progress in the fight against the novel coronavirus while other countries see increased problems. Meanwhile the global economic damage that the epidemic causes is slowly coming into view.

In our last discussion of the Coronavirus epidemic in China we criticized a statistical change made by the Chinese authorities:

The Chinese government has added a new category of infections to the total number of COVID-19 cases. So far there were two published categories. 'Suspected cases', which were people who may have come in contact with the virus and showed flu symptoms, and 'confirmed cases' of patients who fell ill and where the virus was found during tests. Now people who show signs of pneumonia will be added to the confirmed COVID-19 cases even when the tests do not find the nCov19 virus in their body.
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The new count will thereby include a lot of people who simply have a common flu. That seems to make little sense.

Those who had fallen into the new category had a death rate that was much smaller than the original COVID-19 cases. That proved that a simple diagnose of pneumonia is not a reliable indicator for a nCoV19 virus infection.

Yesterday the Chinese authorities reversed their position. 'Clinically diagnosed' cases, people with only signs of pneumonia, are no longer included in the published numbers. This led to a drastic fall in new cases reported yesterday.


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The data reported today showed a drastic increase in cases as two prisons, which had for some reason never reported any cases, were suddenly included with a total of some 500 new confirmed and suspected cases. The communist party manager of at least one of the prisons was immediately removed from his job.

The general trend of newly confirmed or suspected cases has been going down since February 5. The number of remaining confirmed cases has started to sink as there are now less new patients per day than recovered ones. China's rigorous handling of the outbreak, after a too slow start, is a great success. There will be at times new clusters suddenly emerging like the two prisons today. But a greater catastrophe has been avoided.

The total numbers as reported by China today:

As of 24:00 on Feb 20, the National Health Commission had received 75,465 reports of confirmed cases and 2,236 deaths in 31 provincial-level regions on the Chinese mainland and the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, and in all 18,264 patients had been cured and discharged from hospital. There still remained 54,965 confirmed cases (including 11,633 in serious condition) and 5,206 suspected cases. So far, 606,037 people have been identified as having had close contact with infected patients. 120,302 are now under medical observation.

While China has done a good job, at an enormous cost, to contain the outbreak, others are far less efficient. Japan has created a mess when it quarantined the cruise ship Diamond Princess in Yokohama with 3,700 passengers and crew members on board. Originally there were ten cases on board. Now 634 on board have tested positive for the virus.

Dr. Kentaro Iwata, an experienced specialist for infectious diseases, visited the ship under some difficulties. He has reported that there were no significant isolation measures taken on board of the ship. There were no safe areas. Infected and uninfected people mixed during meals. After the visit the doctor put himself under quarantine and recorded a video with his findings.

It seems that Japan's feared bureaucracy has handled the issue without the advice from any specialist. Cruise ships are perfect to spread diseases. They have central air conditioning and central sewage systems that can spread viruses to every room on board. There are many places on board which are commonly used. The crew is usually housed in less than perfect conditions. Any suspected cases should have been taken off board immediately. But these were simply told to stay in their cabins which they, of course, did not do.

The Japanese military has some troops working on the ship but they are only now taking protective measures which are still less than sufficient:

About 50 staffers from the Self-Defense Forces are working on the vessel to examine the passengers, disinfect cabins and transport patients. The ship was quarantined for two weeks off Yokohama on Feb. 5 to prevent COVID-19 from spreading in Japan.

Those handling medicine are now required to wear masks, gloves, gowns and hair caps, ministry officials said.

At a news conference, Kono admitted that the Defense Ministry applied the standards — which are higher than those in use by health ministry officials working on the vessel — after viewing a video from the ship posted by Dr. Kentaro Iwata of Kobe University Hospital, who joined the disaster-relief team as a veteran infectious disease specialist.

On Wednesday 500 Japanese passengers who had tested negative were let go from the ship without further measures. But many of them will carry the virus as more new confirmed cases from the ship still appear daily. These people should have been further isolated. Letting them leave without such measures guarantees that new outbreaks will soon appear throughout Japan.

This situation might have developed due to political pressure. Japan is supposed to hold the summer Olympics later this year and it may have wanted to avoid bad headlines. To me it seems that there will be no Olympics this year and that Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe will soon hear some harsh public criticism.

Another big cluster established itself in Daegu, South Korea, where people from a Christian sect infected each other during mass. There are currently some 130 such cases and some 70 more spread elsewhere in South Korea.

Iran has a smaller cluster in Qom with 14 cases. It closed all schools and seminaries and suspended religious gatherings in the city. Other countries report single new cases or small clusters. This will continue as the disease races around the world. Large new outbreaks will appear in those many countries which have less than perfect medical systems or where the authorities want to suppress news of a smaller outbreak.

In the Ukraine rioters had to be brought under control when they protested against quarantining evacuees from China near their villages.

The economic ripple effect of this epidemic and of the enormous quarantine in China will be huge. It will be felt everywhere but especially in highly developed industries:

The impacts on China both intrinsic and psychological are still vastly under estimated. This is the largest containment/effective imprisonment via quarantine of human being in world history. People are assuming no ripples from that.

The biggest factor that's not understood is the non linearity of supply chains. A two week total shut down *does not* mean a two week delay in products to consumer. This is very different from the tariff impacts, where pricing was adjusted.

A single component missing in a 500+ part product means all levels of production are moot. Autos and consumer electronics are obvious examples. We have heard from multiple auto players and Jaguar has publicly stated they have sub 2 weeks of operating inventory.

Just In Time (JIT) production is a form of operational leverage. And like all forms of leverage, there is a non linear downside effect. People are not putting it together that this is a very big deal. It's not a 1 month hit. It's not a 1 quarter hit. It's an annual hit *right now*.

Some large factories which depend on parts from China will soon have to shut down. Then their other suppliers will also have to cease production. The loss of income will be felt throughout the local economies.

The effects of the epidemic may well lead to an end of the globalization of production processes. Companies will go back to buying locally to be as unaffected as possible from similar future incidents. This might well be the most positive long term outcome of this epidemic.

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thanks b... it is fascinating your commentary towards the end of the article.. i suppose these are some of the unforeseen consequences..

Posted by: james | Feb 21 2020 17:42 utc | 1

The effects of the epidemic may well lead to an end of the globalization of production processes. Companies will go back to buy locally to be as unaffected as possible from similar future incidents

which would seem somewhat contrary to OBOR thinking.

Posted by: john | Feb 21 2020 17:48 utc | 2

Can you comment more on the allegations that it is a weaponized virus, for example, including strands of HIV?

Posted by: Jack | Feb 21 2020 17:53 utc | 3

We better hope this virus is worse in Asians and smokers, because with its infectivity/virulence, it will swamp Western healthcare systems (if it's an equal-opportunity infector). China hasn't collapsed its economy to stop a seasonal-flu-like virus, or to win the world's praise. The 'nothing-sandwich' view that was appropriate to SARS/Ebola/H1N1 is not borne out by the Chinese response.

Posted by: Demo | Feb 21 2020 18:01 utc | 4

Corona virus, SARS, swine flu, African flu, earthquake, flood, volcanism..... is it the case that the Mandate of Heaven is withdrawn?

Posted by: Siotu | Feb 21 2020 18:05 utc | 5

97% of Antibiotics in the US are supplied by China.

Posted by: Linda Amick | Feb 21 2020 18:10 utc | 6

Some large factories which depend on parts from China will soon have to shut down. Then their other suppliers will also have to cease production. The loss of income will be felt throughout the local economies.

The ones who are insured won't be monetarily affected. The uninsured will. This may trigger a bubble burst in the West, though.

The effects of the epidemic may well lead to an end of the globalization of production processes. Companies will go back to buy locally to be as unaffected as possible from similar future incidents. This might well be the most positive long term outcome of this epidemic.

Globalization had already halted after 2008. That was the material base for the so-called "populist" rise in the Western Civilization. Populism is a symptom, not the cause, of the halt of globalization.

That doesn't mean, though, the the western countries are heading towards socialism. This is specially the case with the First World countries, which have powerful armies, and thus can restore (at least in part) their economies through dispossession of the weaker (Third World) countries. The working classes of the First World tend to fascism, not socialism.

That's why China is countering the death of globalization with OBOR. For socialism to rise, there needs to be world prosperity. If the pot is small, fascism will rise again.

Posted by: vk | Feb 21 2020 18:10 utc | 7

If the R0 value of the 2019-nCov is 4.7 to 6.6 then it won't be contained. Let's hope the mortality rates are low.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 21 2020 18:11 utc | 8

Single sourcing parts = single point of failure for the company. There are other issues that come into play, company debt, which needs to be serviced unlike dividends which can be cut and Factoring. Given all this aggressive fictionalisation within global companys there could be "perfect storm" which could be a global crash for non-finance and finance companys alike.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 21 2020 18:13 utc | 9

As already shown the West will be the biggest victims of there own exceptionalism. As already shown they will not let themselves be quarantined to keep their neighbor from being infected.
14 known infected people put on an aircraft of uninformed passengers of the situation just so they wouldn't left behind. All for one and one for all , especially when the all isn't told what the one is doing.

Posted by: Tobi | Feb 21 2020 18:19 utc | 10

@8 Perimetr

CFR ~2% seems to be the consensus ATM, however there are reports of reinfection and ADE leading to worse symptoms, though it is too early to tell if it will push up the CFR to any significant degree.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 21 2020 18:19 utc | 11

@ Posted by: TJ | Feb 21 2020 18:13 utc | 9

I agree with you on the financial part. Corporate debt has skyrocketed since the 2008 bail out. It's now bigger than public debt.

An interruption of production may pop this bubble, but the big crisis will be financial in its epicenter, not productive. The key here is leveraging - which is so high that a sneeze in the factories will result in a pneumonia in the financial sector (Wall Street specially).

Posted by: vk | Feb 21 2020 18:22 utc | 12

According to the WHO press briefings, those testing positive on board the Diamond Princess were removed to hospitals. As of February 20'sbriefing, WHO staff were saying that those released had to meet 3 criteria: no symptoms, negative lab tests and no contact with anyone positive for 14 days. Mike Ryan and other WHO staff at these briefings have repeatedly said that the cruise ship scenario is a familiar one thanks to things like norovirus. Any positives were not only taken off the ship, but their close contacts were quarantined. If what's here is correct, then Japan really has screwed up and lied to WHO.

Posted by: Zee | Feb 21 2020 18:23 utc | 13

Given our election season has eight plus months to go, it will be interesting to see how the monthly jobs and employment numbers are affected, and especially how much mischief the administration does with those numbers.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Feb 21 2020 18:27 utc | 14

Empire fanboi: "Nooo! They can't be beating our superbug! Our weapons are perfect! It's all lies! The streets in China are really clogged with the dead!"

The fanbois might not actually say it that way, but that's what they mean.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 21 2020 18:29 utc | 15

Just Ran Out inventory management is an idea that could only come from ivory tower academics at schools like Wharton. People with actual experience in manufacturing, wholesale distribution, transportation, or retail all understand Murphy's Law (Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong) and how stupid it is to think of containers in transit as "mobile warehouses".

I am already having trouble ordering some common over-the-counter medications from both Walmart and Walgreen. Cimetidine was out-of-stock and quantities of loperamide were limited. I don't need any new i-toys. Medications are a different matter.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 21 2020 18:31 utc | 16

Hint:
Coronavirus: window of containment 'narrowing' after Iran deaths, WHO warns

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/21/coronavirus-window-of-containment-narrowing-after-iran-deaths-who-warns

Reality often makes ideology uncomfortable.

We shall see- the next few weeks will probably tell.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Feb 21 2020 18:39 utc | 17

Infodemic continuing to spread.
Gullible people continuing to fail to understand that the real issue isn't the coronavirus, it is the fear which the infodemic (and outright agitprop) is feeding - and which many of these people are exacerbating.
China supplies enormous amounts of everything the world uses except energy.
Even food - China doesn't supply as much of the raw, but provides an enormous amount of processing/handling.
And yes, "just in time" combined with the Lunar New Year holiday and a greatly prolonged re-ramp time is going to impact everyone, everywhere.
The only question is how much.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 21 2020 18:45 utc | 18

The effects of the epidemic may well lead to an end of the globalization of production processes. Companies will go back to buy locally to be as unaffected as possible from similar future incidents. This might well be the most positive long term outcome of this epidemic. I wholeheartedly agree but I have some trouble reconciling this with your support of the EU and the British remainers.

Posted by: goldhoarder | Feb 21 2020 18:45 utc | 19

Pepe Escobar writes about the possibility that the virus is a bioweapon--but produced by whom? He looks at the Outlaw US Empire's Hybrid War against China:

"There’s no question coronavirus, so far, has been a Heaven-sent politically useful tool, reaching, with minimum investment, the desired targets of maximized U.S. global power – even if fleetingly, enhanced by a non-stop propaganda offensive – and China relatively isolated with its economy semi paralyzed.

"Yet perspective is in order. The CDC estimated that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. No less than 647,000 people were hospitalized. And 61,200 died."

As far as I know, the bioweapon hypothesis has yet to be 100% disproven. IMO, it isn't. I know how bacteriums and viruses share their DNA such that as I wrote previously humans must always treat them as their #1 enemy/threat as they're potentially very deadly. It's also a big mistake for the Outlaw US Empire to gloat about China's misfortune as it's not immune whatsoever.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2020 18:46 utc | 20

karlof1 @20

I read Escobar on your comment. He does have the Chinese and Persian perspective well in hand. I still remember Trump at Mar-a-Lago treating Xi to 'beautiful piece of chocolate cake', and bombing the Syrians. A threat thrown at Xi and China. That was very telling and the threats, sanctions, have occurred ever since non stop. This virus is all too convenient and once the dust settles we may have some reciprocal action.

Posted by: Taffyboy | Feb 21 2020 19:05 utc | 21

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 21 2020 18:11 utc | 8

The paper referred to by Perimetr is authored by six scientists affiliated with Los Alamos National Laboratory of the DOE, including four biologists: "The Novel Coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, is Highly Contagious and More Infectious Than Initially Estimated".

It is also hard to imagine how "first-world" countries will control the virus if it ever does get a foothold, since they are scared of their own shadows and can't possibly compete with the PRC when it comes to ruthlessness (at times there may be advantages to living in a dictatorship ..)

Posted by: carl | Feb 21 2020 19:10 utc | 22

@12 vk

Wall Street was bailed out in the GFC, I would assume the same would probably happen again, though I have no idea whether the likes of Deutchebanke or SocGen would be by the EU. The productive sector is also highly leveraged for stock buybacks etc, additionally remember that currency is fungible while physical goods aren't. Also politicians will treat symptoms not causes, e.g. Trump giving money to farmers because of the mayhem he caused but not John Deere or any other of the suppliers that rely on the farmers for their income.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 21 2020 19:13 utc | 23

From Bill Sardi:
ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/chinese-intelligence-officer-reveals-true-magnitude-of-chinas-coronavirus-crisis/

Posted by: Vonu | Feb 21 2020 19:17 utc | 24

supply chain and shipping: dominoes falling in global shipping as coronavirus grips

LINK (paywall)


Container shipping from Chinese ports has collapsed since the outbreak of coronavirus and has yet to show any sign of recovery, threatening weeks of chaos for manufacturing supply lines and the broader structure of global trade.

Almost half of the planned sailings on the route from Asia to North Europe have been cancelled over the last four weeks. A parallel drama is unfolding on routes from the Pacific Rim to the US and Latin America.

Lars Jensen from SeaIntelligence in Copenhagen said the loss of traffic is running at 300,000 containers a week. This will cause a logistical crunch in Europe in early March even if the epidemic is brought under control quickly.[.]

Refrigerated ships full of frozen food are unable to enter Chinese ports because berths are full.... cannot tap into electricity. No dockers or drivers.
In Europe Fiat Chrysler has suspended production. Jaguar Land Rover are flying in parts in suitcases from China to UK.....


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Not just Europe. It's global. Could tip the world into a deep recession. Shortages abound from everyday essentials,[Walmart, Family Dollar, DollarTree, Home Depot] food, pharmaceuticals and manufacturers.

Food!!? Yes. garlic in the produce area.
You shop at Costco? Cheesecake - loaded with sodium benzoate- with milk being the last ingredient listed on the label.

Good question: As one analyst asked; over the next 3-4 months who will want to open a container from China or buy anything marked "Product of or Made in China?

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 21 2020 19:20 utc | 25

I do not think the Chinese will counter-attack for this US bio weapon attack.

Why is it that many people dismiss this event as being biological warfare launched by the US against China? Because it is too horrific. We know that the empire murders by the thousands and millions without the slightest hesitation or guilt, but for some reason we assume that even the empire is not so vile and malevolent as to use biological weapons. We assume that the empire has some sort of conscience that will moderate its behavior, even though we've never seen evidence of it.

These are people who built armies of literal head-choppers... death squads. They gleefully murder respected statesmen on diplomatic missions. If they can do nothing else then they will run you off the road just because they are hatefully psychotic.

This collectively psychotic culture cannot back down from their aggression if they are losing, so they always escalate that aggression as far as they can.

America is losing its trade war with China, but is running out of economic weapons. From within its bubble of psychosis America feels it has no choice but to escalate beyond economic weapons. What other weapons can America possibly use to defeat China at this point other than bio weapons?

There is no question that this is biological warfare.

That said, China is not going to retaliate and try to hurt Americans.

Why not?

Because unlike America they are not a culture of psychopaths.

It really is that simple.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 21 2020 19:36 utc | 26

@ Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 21 2020 19:20 utc | 25

You're right. It is a myth that only socialist countries can have systemic hunger. No: socialist countries have structural hunger because they are embargoed by the capitalist countries (e.g. early USSR, North Korea).

You would be surprised if you looked at the list of capitalist countries that actually can produce all the food they need. It is a very small list. And even some countries in that list are only self-sufficient by sheer luck (e.g. Norway, which is only self-sufficient in food because it only has 4 million inhabitants). Most capitalist countries - including many First World ones (e.g. the UK) - don't get near to the food production they need; the illusion of prosperity in most capitalist countries only comes from constant, non-stop world trade. If said trade stops, it would be automatic chaos.

Posted by: vk | Feb 21 2020 19:43 utc | 27

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 21 2020 18:11 utc | 8

My country (Italy) just today fell in paranoid behaviour as 16 people got confirmed infected and not coming from China..so here the foothold is done and I think there's no way to control it without using "bad manners" you are right..but as we are not a sovereign country who will be to do that?UN..I can't see an happy ending to it.

Posted by: LuBa | Feb 21 2020 19:54 utc | 28

@ Posted by: Trailer Trash | Feb 21 2020 18:31 utc | 16

Oh man, if only you knew how far some of these clowns take it. I am temporarily working in global shipping (scientist by training, so it is immensely frustrating to be stuck working for corporates) for one of the world's largest carriers and deal with it firsthand. Japanese and Korean auto manufacturers are the epitome; most of them have absolutely no storage at all and their supply lines are so brittle that certain containers HAVE to make it somewhere by a given date or they have to idle massive assets like factories. In their world, nothing beyond the industry's control ever occurs and everything always arrives on time, so they think by applying maximum pressure to the shipping lines that everything will always work out. (Surprise! It doesn't. I actually rather enjoy their frantic emails screaming at us to do something or they'll have to shut down their production facilities...) Not surprisingly, the few that actually buck the trend and have a small warehouse or something rarely have these issues, and are generally more reasonable to deal with.

FWIW, I haven't seen much disruption in my side of things yet; the slow softening of export markets and steady increase in void sailings over the past year or so has been more noticeable. There have been issues around the margins and we've seen some advisory emails but China is certainly still accepting the bulk of our ships fairly normally.

Posted by: AshenLight | Feb 21 2020 20:18 utc | 29

Lost in this whole scaremongering affair is the CDC estimates that already for this flu season 29 million have contracted the flu and 16,000 have died.
The American Sheeple can be herded anywhere with the MSM sheepdogs being controlled by competent shepherds.

Posted by: earthling1 | Feb 21 2020 20:33 utc | 30

Mr. Gruff: I am told that bioweapons are not considered, by developed world spooks and military types, to be "useful" as weapons. They are highly unstable, difficult to deploy and tend to have lots of blowback, as in their effects being next to impossible to predict and just as likely to result in non-desired outcomes as desired. Yes, Escobar makes a good point that it sure all looks very, very suspicious, especially given the gigantic Western anti-China info op that was marched out, and that right quick. But bioweapons are said to not be considered serious as weapo0ns systems.

Posted by: casey | Feb 21 2020 20:45 utc | 31

"...bioweapons are said to not be considered serious as weapons systems." --casey @31

That just makes them all the more attractive to the "Shock Doctrine" CIA gangsters. Agents of chaos love that sort of stuff. Nothing serious, just "bloodying their nose" a little.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 21 2020 20:54 utc | 32

Comrade Brother Linh Dinh is on the border with Chin, and his stories are always true... see>

Hugging China @ unz

weapon or not? Francis Boyle's an expert...sez it is. Ahm sure that Comrade Chin is going to consider such a possibility...

Posted by: Walter | Feb 21 2020 20:55 utc | 33

In terms of economic impact, the press seems to be in denial. This is no joke. To contain the virus requires very significant reduction of economic activity in China, and therefore worldwide. Global recession is virtually certain. Although the financial markets will be supported.

Posted by: ptb | Feb 21 2020 20:56 utc | 34

One indicator which may confirm whether the virus was maliciously sourced would be if the virus breaks containment repeatedly in the same areas, despite all measures taken so far. The propaganda potentail in such things would be considerable, and it would be a simple matter for a malicious entity to re-release the bug several times. Of course, much as for the original case, a well thought out and executed viral warfare campaign in peacetime would attempt to be all but indistinguishable from a non-malicious naturally occuring event, leaving the truth unknown to the average person in the street, and perhaps unprovable to those with more resources to determine such things.

Posted by: tspoon | Feb 21 2020 20:58 utc | 35

Siotu #5

Corona virus, SARS, swine flu, African flu, earthquake, flood, volcanism..... is it the case that the Mandate of Heaven is withdrawn?

Withdrawn ? no just unfortunately reassigned to the current Ottoman ruler. The effect was immediate as can be seen from his genius over the last week or two.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 21 2020 21:04 utc | 36

Race-specific disease agents were listed in CIA documents I've seen online...circa 1950 or so. They had a "wish-list", and precisely a disease such as CV fit their old "desiderata". Obviously this is a coincidence. BTW so was a way to induce-by-agent/injection, cancer... (they got it).

@ UNZ (see above) the Brother describes a dead commerce on the border 'tween 'Nam and Chin...and fear too.

Blowback or coincidence isn't really going to matter though...the econ-o-effect is a tidal wave...

(yeah, it's a weapon, Mr Chin fell for the ringer...)

Posted by: Walter | Feb 21 2020 21:09 utc | 37

A bio-weapon is a dubious hypothesis, or at the very least, it's not exactly destined to kill massess of "enemy" people. The virus kills basically 70/80+ years old people, which isn't exactly a problem for most countries. The heavy load on healthcare system and its cost might be a reason, but there's many other ways of attaining such a goal. A Trump-ian desire to limit globalization perhaps, but doubtful as well.

That said, we can only state that China did its job, but it remains to be seen if other countries are as effective. Japan obviously isn't. I suspect many European countries won't as well - they're repatriating people from China and cruise ships by commercial flights and don't bother with quarantines if people have no symptoms. Then there's Iran; was it some Iranian who came back infected, was it Chinese workers who were let in unquarantined? (if the latter, then it's a minor failure for China not to have screened them, though the bigger failure would probably be Iranian immigration authorities)

B's last paragraph seems spot on. Chinese emissions of greenhouse gases are going down big time, and other countries might learn the virtues of being self-sufficient as much as possible.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 21 2020 21:11 utc | 38

William Gruff #26

Thank you for those sane words. And a BIG THANKS TO b for keeping us engaged in the facts and falsities surrounding this viral phenomena.

China won't have to retaliate as there are likely many weaponised people and planes busy distributing the virus in the west purely by conventional viral distribution.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 21 2020 21:20 utc | 39

@ Posted by: Walter | Feb 21 2020 21:09 utc | 37

Those kind of theories were very popular during the beginning of the 20th Century.

The concept of race doesn't make any sense in the real world. The closest thing we have of a biological concept of "race" is haplogroup. An haplogroup is a single group of alleles that, thanks to many millions of samples geneticists take from all over the world, is convenied to be pertaining to a "race". This is what they use in those genetic tests to trace your ancestry - and the test Elizabeth Warren used to come up with the conclusion she had Native American ancestry.

The problem is that this haplogroup methodology is clearly circular logic: first you come up with a socially division of human races based on geography, then you come up with the single gene (marker) that allegedly confirms your preconception. Even this logic is failed: you could have an haplogroup that indicates you have Slavic ancestry - but also a probability of Native American ancestry. It's all pure ethnogenesis and statistics - there's no science behind that.

If anything, the haplogroup methodology demonstrates scientifically that there is no human races at all: it all one single species, with a huge gene pool - which is to be expected, since there are more than 7.5 billion humans on Earth.

The haplogroup is useful, though, to trace migratory patterns since the prehistoric times. It confirms, for example, that the homo sapiens indeed came from Africa. It also proved that human immigration to the rest of the world wasn't linear: humans went and came back, and so on, until they reached South America - the last continent it settled if we are to consider Antartica as yet unsettled (there are some scientists there, but it's not a societal formation).

Posted by: vk | Feb 21 2020 21:34 utc | 40

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 21 2020 21:20 utc | 39

"China won't have to retaliate as there are likely many weaponised people and planes busy distributing the virus in the west purely by conventional viral distribution."

Yep, that's the reason this sort of thing has not become a more popular option, it doesn't aim well, tends to create a lot of blowback, and tricky to handle too. It used to be popular in the old days too, with lots of blowback just like now.

I think it's going to be hard to stop now, but we might hope for its virulence to decline pretty quick as it adapts.

It will be interesting to see what happens here in the USA, it seems to be here now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 21 2020 21:35 utc | 41

It's wonderful the numbers are coming down and this imminent pandemic is nipped in the bud! Mazeltov!

Posted by: jadan | Feb 21 2020 21:36 utc | 42

While most of the discussion here centres on supply-chains and manufacturing exports from China, in Australia it's our service sector that will be hit. We rely on at least three relationships with China: education (Chinese fee-paying university students), tourism (AUD$12bn/annum from PRC) and mining exports (iron-ore and coal). The first is the sector I work in and my university is hysterical about the 6000 PRC students stranded in China under the travel ban. Each of those students spends a lot of money here on accom, food, etc. and represent about AUD$100m across the year including tuition fees. As b and others have said, it's the ramifications and delayed unexamined consequences that will bite already over-leveraged sectors. And the MSM are very silent on this aspect of the situation, preferring instead to whip up fear and loathing toward the PRC, which may indeed be the intent in order to prepare populations for a longer-term 'decoupling' from the Chinese economy.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 21 2020 21:45 utc | 43

William Gruff @26--

It's not that the Outlaw US Empire wouldn't deploy a bioweapon--it did in September 2001, anthrax--but as with The Omega Man and The Walking Dead they're too unpredictable and can easily blowback on the users. IMO, chemical weapons that are carcinogens like Agent Orange and glyphosate (Roundup) also ought to be classed as bioweapons since they attack our biological systems in ways different from "classical" chemical agents.

The economic affects have yet to even be felt; and if the virus was a bioweapon, its blowback will severely damage Western economies as they're the most developed and dependent. Otherwise, we have another deadly strain of virus that must be controlled just as with all the other viruses.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2020 21:46 utc | 44

I wish I had the optimism of some here ! Casey @ 31 for instance.
But we live in a real distopyian world, the most powerful country is run by a psychopathic mass murderer whose population has been brain washed! To look for logic and reason in the actions of the insane will never work! Their insane end of story.
So here is the truth it may save a lot of speculation.
Must read. But very long. Solid evidence as to intent, motavation and opportunity

http://armswatch.com/salisbury-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-at-porton-down/

Sorry about the nightmares and shattered illusions

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 21 2020 21:58 utc | 45

@31 casey

Kanatzhan was of the same opinion which is why he wrote Biohazard and appeared on Channel4 .

Posted by: TJ | Feb 21 2020 22:00 utc | 46

Hi b,

China might be doing the right things to manage the spread, but I’m surprised you don’t express any scepticism of the Chinese numbers. I don’t have any better numbers, nobody does, but I strongly doubt that they have turned the tide on this.

Matt

Posted by: Matt | Feb 21 2020 22:01 utc | 47

: vk | Feb 21 2020 21:34 utc | 40 (race) I am sure you're correct. But I meant the term in the way one might speak of a "race" of setter dogs... It's old fashion language. I believe to curate this meaning I added also "tribe"...as people oft self-identify as a race... Everyone self-identifies as a member of a race... But of course you're precisely correct, I agree. It doen't exist.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 21 2020 22:07 utc | 48


I dont know if this is true but I read somewhere that the virus is only killing Chinese DNA people and everyone who has died outside of China are Chinese. Ninety-six percent of the people that died of SARS were Chinese DNA people. So if , coronavirus is only killing Chinese . Go figure.

Posted by: kitty | Feb 21 2020 22:16 utc | 49

Oh and then their is this important bit of the jig saw puzzle!

http://www.surviveunagenda21depopulation.com/

A very good research and cross reference tool.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 21 2020 22:17 utc | 50

Clueless Joe @ 38

According to the statistics so far the deceased median age is 53. The elderly with preexistente conditions are most vulnerable but I hope you are not under the impression that this is a disease of the elderly. Most of the patients who have died in other countries are between 33 and 60 and otherwise healthy. The elderly just die quicker.

There is no age-specific predilection for this virus.

Posted by: Alpi | Feb 21 2020 22:42 utc | 51

vk @7 You think exactly as D. Trump who is convinced that in order to gain more, one must dispossess others. That's is a very predatorian and destructive way of thinking. You still live at Maltus epoch, time to evolve.

Posted by: murgen23 | Feb 21 2020 22:44 utc | 52

@kitty 49

Not true. The deaths in other countries are natives to their country who were in China or came into contact with a Chinese national.

Posted by: Alpi57 | Feb 21 2020 22:45 utc | 53

you just dont know who to believe when it comes to reporting about this virus.
the range of opinions just seems to veer from one extreme to another

just been reading following article https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/02/bill-sardi/are-they-burning-dead-bodies-in-wuhan-china-to-hide-the-inadvertent-release-of-a-mortal-nerve-toxin/

quote:"Here is the truth:

There ARE millions of dead bodies being incinerated in or near Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the current coronavirus epidemic."

wow. really.

why does the author quote from article which he admits is "A marginally credible website (UFO Spotlight) has over a half-million views for its chilling OMG report that states the true magnitude of China’s coronavirus outbreak"

over the years,i have admit to reading numerous (incredible) stories like this

of course you cant rule out the possibility that virus escaped or was deliberately released from a laboratory in Wuhan which specialises in these things.

likewise there are other ways and means in which such a virus could get released
(if one wished to adopt a conspiratorial view)

Posted by: chris | Feb 21 2020 23:10 utc | 54

James @1
Actually these WERE the foreseen consequences of a virus of this magnitude in China. Been obvious for several weeks. Even if China and others were able to get this virus under control , if was obvious that it would take a huge toll on the global markets. Meanwhile markets climb higher and higher? We have no real markets either. This virus may destroy that facade as well.

Posted by: lgfocus | Feb 21 2020 23:12 utc | 55

Re: bioweapon blowback

What makes you think the ones using the bioweapons (CIA) care? If a million people in poor health, or elderly, or with no insurance die in the US these monsters will put that on the benefit side of the ledger. Less useless eaters leaching the empire's resources (most of the US population are considered useless eaters now that the country has been largely de-industrialized). Blowback doesn't faze them in the slightest. Head-chopping terrorists are rabid dogs... very difficult to control. The CIA's version of James Bond got snuffed in Benghazi by the very same rabid dogs that he was recruiting for the "American Foreign Legion". Has that blowback slowed the CIA down working with these animals? No, of course not.

Posters are trying to maintain the completely unfounded belief that these people behind the attacks are rational and intelligent. They are not. They are psychopaths, and that is not hyperbole. These psychopaths actually like collateral damage, even when it happens to citizens of the empire. They're laughing about the people dying on the cruise ships. They are joking with each other about how stupid the useless eaters are for getting on planes with infected people. They don't see this as a problem at all, aside perhaps from being disappointed that more people in China are not dying.

Time and again people insist upon fooling themselves into disbelieving how monstrous these psychotic freaks are, despite the fact of their monstrosity being revealed over and over.

Try this: Read up on Jeffrey Dahmer. Maybe you think you know a little about him but most people don't dig too deep because it makes them uncomfortable trying to imagine how another human being could be that messed up.

Once you get a good idea of what I am referring to by "psychopath", then try to imagine an entire global crime syndicate made up of these types of individuals. If you work at it you may start to get a grasp of what the CIA really is.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 21 2020 23:15 utc | 56

@William Gruff, 23:15
Thanks for that post. It helped me understand how someone could have calmly written the following ““advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." (P.60, Rebuilding America's Defenses, Plan for a New American Century). I have come to the conclusion that PNAC is the US oligarchy’s Mein Kampf.

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 21 2020 23:40 utc | 57

Walter #33
Comrade Brother Linh Dinh is a mighty good read as always. Thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 22 2020 0:00 utc | 58

William Gruff @56--

Yeah, I agree with your reasoning and have referred to The Establishment of being wannabe Neros and Caligulas, and elsewhere I've described their philosophy as Libertinism as designed by the Marquis de Sade. Some movies depicting CIA personnel behaviors come close to portraying what you describe, like Mr Joshua and ilk from Lethal Weapon. Not enough people seem to be troubled by the "fictional" Jason Bourne Story. Proven yet again: Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. It's this aspect that's always troubled me when thinking about how to disband the CIA. The fiction's horrid enough, and we know the truth's worse.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2020 0:14 utc | 59

Different strain a cold virus causing only a fraction of hospitalizations and deaths from pneumonia from other infections, are way overhyped by China and international health organizations. To what end?

Mandatory vaccinations down the road which will cause many adverse effects that will be underreported, conditioning people to allow governments worldwide to lockdown people without protest to keep them safe, etc.

This is all a psy-ops operation for greater pharma profits and government control. China will blame the US for using a biowarfare weapon to gain the peoples nationalist support (fake enemies are wonderful for that purpise). Despite being “attacked” China will continue providing America antibiotics, tech gadgets and API’s used for drugs and vaccines and will honor American intellectuals property rights and pay royalties for vaccines they produce using patented vaccine processes. Fake wrestling man.

Anyone notice it was not until China signed the trade agreement that the virus became newsworthy?. Gates Event 201 and his documentary on Netflix shows the this was a preplanned psyops .

For all we know there is not even a new virus. Just a test that detects endogenous viral proteins present in a percentage of people that get tested when sick or exposed to a sick person. How would we even know? But lets assume it is a new virus. Just look at the numbers outside Hubei (numbers not to be trusted), and understand many people had the virus without symptoms and you see the mortality rate not much greater than influenza and affecting mostly elderly or other sick people hardest.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 22 2020 0:50 utc | 60

From past conversations I've had here at MoA with Clickkid, VK and some others on the COVID-19 virus as a bioweapon, my conclusion is that it cannot be a bioweapon.

It's too contagious and it has too many modes of transmission for it to be easily controllable by the attackers using it to subdue an enemy without risking blowback once the enemy is dead and gone, and the attackers start moving their own people in to mop up and take over cities and steal equipment, factory machines and armaments where the virus may still be lingering. A virus that kills people past the age when they've finished raising families and their own health is in long-term decline? Not ideal - as Clickkid pointed out, a better bioweapon is one that incapacitates people in the prime of their lives, doesn't kill them outright but reduces their productivity, maybe also renders them sterile or infertile.

A vaccine would be a better bioweapon than an actual disease. With the various side effects that have been reported for it, Gardasil (to prevent cervical cancer in women) would be ideal as a bioweapon.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 22 2020 1:09 utc | 61

Could be a bioweapon that kills two birds with one stone. If it kills Chinese disproportionately, that's an answer to the Chinese problem. If it kills the old and the sickly in the West, that reduces undesired government expenditures.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 22 2020 1:17 utc | 62

my conclusion is that it cannot be a bioweapon.
Bingo!
We have a winner.
It is 96% similar to a 2014 coronavirus, of bat origin, a double stranded positive RNA virus.
A bat virus, like SARS and MERS, the other two significant coronavirus.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Feb 22 2020 1:20 utc | 63

Jen
China has been in lockdown. Factories closed ect. Major resources diverted to stop the spread. It is a major economic hit to China.
Hygiene is high in China compared to other densely populated parts of Asia. China has been hit now with a number of exotic viruses ect that have been hits to its economy. Ebola kicked off in Africa, but other than that, other countries that eat anything and everything, who's hygiene is often not up to the standard of China do not seem to be experiencing these outbreaks.
As to using bio weapons, any country that would develop and use them would have also developed a vaccine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 1:28 utc | 64

Naturally occurring diseases, if that is what this is, can certainly be used as bioweapons. The Japanese used them against China. There's evidence that the U.S. used them in the Korean War.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 22 2020 1:28 utc | 65

As to losing a few pawns in the great game, that is not an issue. Australia and the Netherregions were quite happy to sacrifice the pawns on MH17.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 1:32 utc | 66

Peter AU1 #66

Is that the same australia that stole the oil from the Timorese people, ne poorest, newest nation on the planet. Just been born and australia arranged a shonky maritime border that 'gave' the australians the Timor oil. Steal candy from a baby. ? They can do that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 22 2020 1:41 utc | 67

uncle tungsten

Sure can. Downer even recieved a well paid consultancy position from woodside for all his good work.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 1:59 utc | 68

my comment with LINK @ 25 addressed the just-in-time supply chain, global shipping disruptions.
Now, the CDC has announced "in the eventuality of" they are getting prepared to adopt closures:

U.S. prepares for coronavirus pandemic, school and business closures: health officials

(Reuters) - U.S. health officials on Friday said they are preparing for the possibility of the spread of the new coronavirus through U.S. communities that would force closures of schools and businesses.

The United States has yet to see community spread of the virus that emerged in central China in late December. But health authorities are preparing medical personnel for the risk, Nancy Messonnier, an official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told reporters on a conference call.

In coming weeks, if the virus begins to spread through U.S. communities, health authorities want to be ready to adopt school and business closures like those undertaken in Asian countries to contain the disease, Messonnier said.[.]

The CDC is taking steps to ensure frontline U.S. healthcare workers have supplies they need, she added, by working with businesses, hospitals, pharmacies and provisions manufacturers and distributors on what they can do to get ready.[.]

The United States currently has 13 cases of people diagnosed with the virus within the country and 21 cases among Americans repatriated on evacuation flights from Wuhan, China, and from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan, CDC said.

​Of 329 Americans evacuated from the cruise ship, 18 tested positive for the virus. Eleven of them are at University of Nebraska Medical Center, five are in medical facilities near Travis Air Force Base in California and two are near Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.[.]

Think: Consequences of Closures?

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 22 2020 2:08 utc | 69

bulk of the consulting consisting of Downer giving bank acc details for bri.. er consultancy fees to be paid into.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 2:08 utc | 70

That's the downer that australia experiences after drinking to excess.

He is also the downer that as aus ambassador to UK blew the game with his formal references to Joe Mifsud and the Papadopolus fiasco in Italy and the Englanders homeland. Once he had committed his report and used the diplomatic service to deliver it the game had to follow with a formal presentation to FBI. Then the FISA court evidence and so on.

He also gave $30Mil to the Clinton Foundation for their non work on AIDS in Papua New Guinea or some scam like that.

Can someone prosecute these thieving scum? But then they are useful idiots to both the oligarchy and to us mere observers.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 22 2020 2:19 utc | 71

Duncan Idaho #63

It is 96% similar to a 2014 coronavirus, of bat origin, a double stranded positive RNA virus.
A bat virus, like SARS and MERS, the other two significant coronavirus.

To be any sort of winner one would have to go a further furlong and explain some of the anomalies being reported or refute those reports etc. To say a coronavirus of today is closely similar to a (bat derived) coronavirus of yesterday and therefore the source identified is direct really stretches evidence a little.

WTF do you mean %96? What is the %4 comprised of?

If I drink %96 water with %4 arsenic it is not healthy water eh?

How many bats were sold at the FISH market?
Have they been reduced/banned in their popularity following the last outbreak?
Is the coronavirus species specific?

Try some detailed refutation if you will Duncan Idaho and actually negate the proposition that the previous coronavirus could not be fiddled to produce this emergence.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 22 2020 2:31 utc | 72

Sorry OT.
Great read, by professor Bruce Ackerman.
Had to share. Amazingly succinct.
The Coming Constitutional Crisis Over Iran
https://prospect.org/justice/trump-pelosi-coming-constitutional-crisis-over-iran/

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 22 2020 2:35 utc | 73

to go with above:
"Does Trump have the constitutional authority to veto Congress’s command?"

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 22 2020 2:38 utc | 74

"Can someone prosecute these thieving scum?"

Peasants with pitchforks.... peasants too absorbed in the latest reality show. So nup, weve gotta live with them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 2:45 utc | 75

Agreed with William Gruff @56

THe notion that US is christian country is just a laughable nonsense designed to fool ordinary US citizens into thinking they are the good guys..

no real Christian would allow himself to work in USG where they are planning and executing horrible murders in foreign nations or helping other nation(s) butcher their own citizens just to get them under US sphere of influence..

look at Pompeo and his very dishonest admission that he is a christian ... the only christian that did what he did is the 'christian in action' aka CIA aka christian in name only.

Insanity is the norm in US Govt

Posted by: milomilo | Feb 22 2020 3:18 utc | 76

China and Iran are priority targets for Trump US. In both countries, Coronavirus kicked of in a central city or province.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/iran-says-coronavirus-has-spread-to-several-cities-reports-two-new-deaths/ar-BB10fyi5?li=AAgges1
" The coronavirus has spread to several Iranian cities, a health ministry official said on Friday, as an outbreak that the authorities say began in the holy city of Qom caused two more deaths.

Iran confirmed 13 new coronavirus cases, bringing the total in the country to 18, with four of the total having died."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 3:34 utc | 77

@Trailer Trash | Feb 21 2020 18:31 utc | 16

Isn't Cimetidine a banned drug?

Posted by: jiri | Feb 22 2020 4:32 utc | 78

Just short bits and pieces from the Chinese people who filmed these things. Amazing collection showing what life is like in China at this time. Lots of culling going on there. No English, just the filmers chatting in Chinese at what they are seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=MMC5lOSk0Mw&feature=emb_logo&bpctr=1582270259

Posted by: Noor | Feb 22 2020 4:51 utc | 79

The speed, location and size of this COVID-19 outbreak are not natural and do not fit the online narratives targeting China.

Attacking China with bioweapons is nothing new, Japan did it with Unit 731 and US did it during Korean War in 1950s attacking China with Yellow Fever.

These latest attacks on the sounder of pigs with Swine Flu then followed by COVID-19 carefully timed near Chinese New Year at the central of China for maximum impacts. Followed by the US hypocrisy pretending to help then later lied that China refused the offer.

It has become too obvious the motive of a very well coordinated amount of online disinfo as deflections with "Eating bat soup, eating wild animals, engineered virus escape from Wuhan L-4 lab" to pin the blame China for the outbreak.

The amount of intensive of online trolls attacking China to support the anti-China propaganda narratives above. Have seen these kinds one too many times, like White Helmet making fake video blaming Syrian government gas attack on Syrian people, Saddam Hussein got WMD and he ripped babies out of incubators testimony in UN, no less. Muammar Gaddafi violated human right, et al.

Hong Kong Color revolution, Uighur Islamic Extremist, Tibet Dalai Lama bill, swine flu attack, virus attack on the people, kidnapping Huawei CFO by Canada, .......... amid US-China trade war. All the attacks on China intensified when China launched the Belt and Road Initiative. Can it be more obvious?

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 5:06 utc | 80

milomilo
All the abrahamic religions are violent. And all came out of the hebrew tribes superstitions.
Apart from money lenders, Jesus tended to turn the other cheek. But those that claim to be his followers protect money lenders and attack all others.
Muslims recon mohammad was the promised hebrew prophet and he was a bit more warlike. Muslim proxies of christian US tend tend to follow the actions of Mohammad's followers to the letter.
I suspect jesus would've taken a whip to the yanks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 5:10 utc | 81

In Vietnam, fifteen out of the sixteen confirmed COVID-19 patients have been discharged, well, after treatment.
https://vietnamnet.vn/en/society/vietnamese-medical-staff-win-fight-with-covid-19-618358.html

The remaining patient contracted the disease from his daughter, who had travelled along with seven workmates to a training course in Wuhan. The workers who attended the course were all from the province of Vinh Phuc, where currently 73 persons are suspected of having contracted the virus. They, and affected areas in the commune (population 10,000) are under a twenty-day quarantine, due to end on March 3. If anyone tests positive, of course further quarantine and treatment will follow.

Elsewhere in Vietnam, schools are closed, and will stay closed until at least the beginning of March, and large gatherings have been suspended. Masks were in short supply but production is now beginning to meet the demand. The government is attempting to enforce a quarantine for fourteen days for citizens returning from travel to China; non-citizens are not being permitted to enter VN from China. (Unfortunately, some people are attempting to avoid these restrictions by travelling to a third country, and entering Vietnam from there.)

In sum, there is no large outbreak of the virus in Vietnam as yet, public awareness campaigns are in full swing, there is clear awareness of the economic impacts in all sectors, and concentrated nursing care has led to recovery in all cases to date.

Posted by: Hope | Feb 22 2020 5:15 utc | 82

To KTx at 80

Pepe is thinking along the same lines

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-no-weapon-left-behind-american-hybrid-war-china

Posted by: Ric G | Feb 22 2020 5:21 utc | 83

What makes you believe the ZOG can surreptitiously attack China with COVID-19 won't carry out the same attack at home and at the enemies of the ZOG empire?

You are cheering the death of innocent Chinese people, you better think again what makes you so special that you will be spared.

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 5:23 utc | 84

KTx @80 put it well. To add to that is the major propaganda effort by five eyes. I run through rueters US edition for my daily msm propaganda reading. It is swamped with China Coronavirus articles. Like Putin's missile swamped the anglosphere shortly after the MH17 shootdown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 5:29 utc | 85

@ Posted by: Ric G | Feb 22 2020 5:21 utc | 83

Yes Ric G, I have read it here https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/02/21/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/

I stopped reading ZeroHedge as it's the most anti China disinfo portal. They publish anti China propaganda from Falun Gong, EpochTime, Gatestone, NED, Propaganda outlets from India, et al.

Also ZeroHedge banned several times for questioning their narratives. But my other account bashing China, Iran, North Korea, ........ is still alive after more than 10 years.

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 5:32 utc | 86

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 5:29 utc | 85

Agreed, the amount of global disinfo to attack China as deflections can't be more apparent to the naked eyes.

Also the intensive psyop targeting China is not only seen in Ukraine but globally.

This is only one example:

https://www.rt.com/news/481392-buzzfeed-ukraine-riots-email/

Fake email ‘from outside the country’ made Ukrainians throw stones at Wuhan evacuees, BuzzFeed report implies

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 5:46 utc | 87

KTx
Yeah I saw the ukie stoning piece.
Reminded me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5YU_spBw0

I guess if the monty python gang were still going, there would be plenty of material for them to work with.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 5:56 utc | 88

The owner of SNAFU blog practically dancing with joy and telling everyone this is time to kick china when they are down. Of course the commenters there are rabid anti chinese and pro exceptionalism , any criticizsm will make you banned instantly.

It is a strange thing watching this owner who is a black ex marine practically spouting racist chinese genocide , totally oblivious of his own future when the white supremacist come after him..

on the other side we got Ex Col Lang in SST which was turned into a pro trump site because trump fed him his daily dose of exceptionalism , if you criticize america you will be mocked and banned.. Ask James here who got mocked because he is a canadian..

Even B got mocked by col lang , on how he and his fellow inteligence friends know B and his leanings.. As if his own view of hyper exceptionalism of USA is the mandate of god

Posted by: milomilo | Feb 22 2020 6:01 utc | 89

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 5:56 utc | 88

Pepe described it best: No Weapon Left Behind: The American Hybrid War on China

Branding BRI as a “pandemic”

As the usual suspects fret over the “stability” of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Xi Jinping administration, the fact is the Beijing leadership has had to deal with an accumulation of extremely severe issues: a swine-flu epidemic killing half the stock; the Trump-concocted trade war; Huawei accused of racketeering and about to be prevented from buying U.S. made chips; bird flu; coronavirus virtually shutting down half of China.

Add to it the incessant United States government Hybrid War propaganda barrage, trespassed by acute Sinophobia; everyone from sociopathic “officials” to self-titled councilors are either advising corporate businesses to divert global supply chains out of China or concocting outright calls for regime change – with every possible demonization in between.

There are no holds barred in the all-out offensive to kick the Chinese government while it’s down.

A Pentagon cipher at the Munich Security Conference once again declares China as the greatest threat, economically and militarily, to the U.S. – and by extension the West, forcing a wobbly EU already subordinated to NATO to be subservient to Washington on this remixed Cold War 2.0.

The whole U.S. corporate media complex repeats to exhaustion that Beijing is “lying” and losing control. Descending to sub-gutter, racist levels, hacks even accuse BRI itself of being a pandemic, with China “impossible to quarantine”.

All that is quite rich, to say the least, oozing from lavishly rewarded slaves of an unscrupulous, monopolistic, extractive, destructive, depraved, lawless oligarchy which uses debt offensively to boost their unlimited wealth and power while the lowly U.S. and global masses use debt defensively to barely survive. As Thomas Piketty has conclusively shown, inequality always relies on ideology.

We’re deep into a vicious intel war. From the point of view of Chinese intelligence, the current toxic cocktail simply cannot be attributed to just a random series of coincidences. Beijing has serial motives to piece this extraordinary chain of events as part of a coordinated Hybrid War, Full Spectrum Dominance attack on China.

Enter the Dragon Killer working hypothesis: a bio-weapon attack capable of causing immense economic damage but protected by plausible deniability. The only possible move by the “indispensable nation” on the New Great Game chessboard, considering that the U.S. cannot win a conventional war on China, and cannot win a nuclear war on China.

A biological warfare weapon?

On the surface, coronavirus is a dream bio-weapon for those fixated on wreaking havoc across China and praying for regime change.

Yet it’s complicated. This report is a decent effort trying to track the origins of coronavirus. Now compare it with the insights by Dr. Francis Boyle, international law professor at the University of Illinois and author, among others, of Biowarfare and Terrorism. He’s the man who drafted the U.S. Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 signed into law by George H. W. Bush.

Dr. Boyle is convinced coronavirus is an

“offensive biological warfare weapon” that leaped out of the Wuhan BSL-4 laboratory, although he’s “not saying it was done deliberately.”

Dr. Boyle adds, “all these BSL-4 labs by United States, Europe, Russia, China, Israel are all there to research, develop, test biological warfare agents. There’s really no legitimate scientific reason to have BSL-4 labs.” His own research led to a whopping $100 billion, by 2015, spent by the United States government on bio-warfare research: “We have well over 13,000 alleged life science scientists… testing biological weapons here in the United States. Actually this goes back and it even precedes 9/11.”

Dr. Boyle directly accuses “the Chinese government under Xi and his comrades” of a cover up “from the get-go. The first reported case was December 1, so they’d been sitting on this until they couldn’t anymore. And everything they’re telling you is a lie. It’s propaganda.”

The World Health Organization (WHO), for Dr. Boyle, is also on it: “They’ve approved many of these BSL-4 labs (…) Can’t trust anything the WHO says because they’re all bought and paid for by Big Pharma and they work in cahoots with the CDC, which is the United States government, they work in cahoots with Fort Detrick.” Fort Detrick, now a cutting-edge bio-warfare lab, previously was a notorious CIA den of mind control “experiments”.

Relying on decades of research in bio-warfare, the U.S. Deep State is totally familiar with all bio-weapon overtones. From Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Korea, Vietnam and Fallujah, the historical record shows the United States government does not blink when it comes to unleashing weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians.

For its part, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA) has spent a fortune researching bats, coronaviruses and gene-editing bio-weapons. Now, conveniently – as if this was a form of divine intervention – DARPA’s “strategic allies” have been chosen to develop a genetic vaccine.

The 1996 neocon Bible, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), unambiguously stated, “advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

There’s no question coronavirus, so far, has been a Heaven-sent politically useful tool, reaching, with minimum investment, the desired targets of maximized U.S. global power – even if fleetingly, enhanced by a non-stop propaganda offensive – and China relatively isolated with its economy semi paralyzed.

Yet perspective is in order. The CDC estimated that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. No less than 647,000 people were hospitalized. And 61,200 died.

This report details the Chinese “people’s war” against coronavirus.

It’s up to Chinese virologists to decode its arguably synthetic origin. How China reacts, depending on the findings, will have earth-shattering consequences – literally.

Setting the stage for the Raging Twenties

After managing to reroute trade supply chains across Eurasia to its own advantage and hollow out the Heartland, American – and subordinated Western – elites are now staring into a void. And the void is staring back. A “West” ruled by the U.S. is now faced with irrelevance. BRI is in the process of reversing at least two centuries of Western dominance.

There’s no way the West and especially the “system leader” U.S. will allow it. It all started with dirty ops stirring trouble across the periphery of Eurasia – from Ukraine to Syria to Myanmar.

Now it’s when the going really gets tough. The targeted assassination of Maj. Gen. Soleimani plus coronavirus – the Wuhan flu – have really set up the stage for the Raging Twenties. The designation of choice should actually be WARS – Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome. That would instantly give the game away as a War against Humanity – irrespective of where it came from.

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 6:03 utc | 90

Thanks @ktx for your posts

Theres been massive media and of course covert pressure to make china submit to US diktat.. Hongkong riots is one of a mess , indoctrinationg HK young people into rabid terrorist who rejoice on chinese coronavirus debacle.

now this is funny , these HKers are also chinese descent no matter what their delusional mind feeds them.. Corona virus practically next door and without chinese effort to contain it , HK will get wiped out.. yet they are still acting like useful idiots ..

the world knew about these morons and their names , i doubt they are welcome to other countries even australia banned them entry

Posted by: milomilo | Feb 22 2020 6:06 utc | 91

It seems I can post here at MOA without being banned and still find few people who can still think for themselves.

I have been banned everywhere on social media across all platforms, ZeroHedge, SCMP, and all sites using chat software IM.spot (Israelis companies).

Thanks guys and nice to see you here.

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 6:17 utc | 92

Global Times OP/ED tangentially about virus and more about China/Outlaw US Empire deteriorating relation. Some meat:

"No matter how you look at it, there will be no winner in this hypothetical cold war, and the US will not be able to continue its march to greatness unscathed. In a word, the time has changed, and Sino-US relations are very different from the US-Soviet relations 70 years ago.

"First of all, although the development paths of the two countries are different, China holds the correct course. For more than 40 years, China has always adhered to the path of reform and opening up, firmly integrated into and safeguarded the current international system, and committed itself to a fair and reasonable reform direction. In contrast, the foreign policy of the present US administration is not only disorderly, but also increasingly assertive. The US presents itself to the world as a destroyer and subversive of the international order, which makes it mired in a moral deficit."

A "moral deficit" indeed! In that connection, it ought to be noted that the Boy Scouts of America filed for bankruptcy because of the numerous lawsuits targeting its pedophile scoutmasters for which it's liable.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2020 6:28 utc | 93

A very deep "recession" aka depression was already expected by those paying attention. How do the financial elites hide blame for it? Launch a bio-weapon in a nation that is the world's factory, grinding the world economy to a crawl, and blame the depression on that. The CIA exists primarily to advance the interests of Wall Street. The timing of this is just too coincidental.

Posted by: Neil S | Feb 22 2020 6:58 utc | 94

karlof1 "For more than 40 years, China has always adhered to the path of reform and opening up, firmly integrated into and safeguarded the current international system, and committed itself to a fair and reasonable reform direction."

This is very much the impression I gained from China. Around the international scene, security could be seen.
Away from the international scene... well all I can say is that Australia is the authoritarian police state not China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 22 2020 7:17 utc | 95

KTx, most welcome, your insights & thoughts are appreciated & needed. regrettably the tylers seem unable to discern their bulgarian experience is not all there is to socialism, & that they've become nothing more than craven foot soldiers for plutocracy, sadly enamoured with a tawdry dream. i can barely stomach the thought of their site & have essentially banned them from my daily search for truth: unz, the saker, moa, craig, am, pepe, canthama, ejm much preferred choices. i look forward to reading your posts & thoughts. thank you.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 22 2020 7:56 utc | 96

@Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 22 2020 7:56 utc | 96

Zerohedge (ABC Media Ltd.) is part of "them" disguised as trading platform and independent media.

https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/
https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cfr-media-network-hdv-spr.png

The Empire propaganda media operating in the 5 Eyes and 14 Eyes are so synchronous in global attack with the same narratives at the same time that couldn't possibly a coincidence.

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 8:55 utc | 97

Here's the logic of the bioweapon ploy:
1. A lightning strikes.
2. Someone claims the lightning strike was their weapon.
3. People with a confirmation bias supporting the idea say it is true.
4. A lightning strikes again.
5. The same people say there's no doubt it is their weapon.
6. For every lightning strike ever after it is "proof" but there is no actual proof, only successful manipulation and misdirection away from the construction of lightning rods and towards the impressive "Wunderwaffe" and the "might" of its owner.

It's a pretty old trick and not too different from staring at goats, so at least be aware of that, whatever you believe.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 22 2020 13:15 utc | 98

Not sure if this has been posted here but this video was posted in 2010 910 years ago) as a warning the plan to attack China with cold virus;

EN - The Anglo-Saxon Mission [This version with English subtiltes]
https://youtu.be/TmWM51mTY_c

ZH-CN 盎格鲁•撒克逊计划
https://youtu.be/d86DRn7T098

Posted by: KTx | Feb 22 2020 13:19 utc | 99

Now that the epidemic is being controlled, the rats are getting out of the sewer:

Coronavirus is a wake-up call for China’s autocratic style of rule - Comparisons to the Soviet-era meltdown are far-fetched, but there are lessons to be learned. Among them, the benefits of transparency, rule of law and a vibrant media. - by Wang Xiangwei

First: Chernobyl didn't cause the fall of the USSR. What cause its fall was its own structural contradictions, coupled with a hostile geopolitical configuration. Yes, I know Gorbachev once said (ex post facto) that Chernobyl was the beginning of the end, but he's not known as the sharpest tool of the box, so I wouldn't take Gorbachev as an intellectual reference.

Second: what contains epidemics is science, infrastructure and logistics under a central command. Those fairytale, idealist concepts like "transparency", "rule of law" and "vibrant media" don't do and won't do shit. See, for example:

EU poised to create massive transatlantic facial-recognition database, link with US

Towns in Italy Under Lockdown as Coronavirus Cases Surge in Southern Europe and Middle East

Are these countries "authoritarian"? Would you call Italy's, Japan's, USA's, UK's reaction times "fast"? After all, they all have "transparency" (Japan doesn't, though), "rule of law" and, most importantly, a "vibrant media".

It was this "vibrant media", by the way, that served as a very important tool for the fall of the USSR. The recently "freed" Soviet journalists were an essential part in dissing, sowing discord and fake news against Gorbachev and propped up Boris Yeltsin and the future dissolution (against the popular will) of the Union.

Journalists are the most powerful in a liberal system, where they gain kingmaking powers, become the "fourth power". That's why they preach for liberal democracy. They don't give a shit about the welbeing of humanity, they are just a bunch of power hungry junkies.

Posted by: vk | Feb 22 2020 13:41 utc | 100

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