Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 27, 2020
As Virus Spreads Over The Planet Governments Are Slow To React

After a uneven first response China did its very best to limit the spread of the nCov-19 virus and the Covid-19 disease the virus causes. The extreme quarantine, which began in mid January, has come at a great economic cost but bought the rest of the world time to prepare for the inevitable surfacing of the virus in other countries.

Unfortunately many governments did not use the month given to them and botched their responses. The number of newly confirmed cases per day outside of China is now bigger than the new daily number inside of China. South Korea alone reported 334 new confirmed cases today while the much larger China only reported 433.


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China has shown that it is possible to successfully fight and stop the epidemic. Unfortunately other countries are not ready to follow its example. This is now making it likely that the epidemic in China will become a pandemic and will spread mostly uninhibited all over the globe.

South Korea, Japan, Iran, Italy and the U.S. are now the countries which will see the next great impacts. Other countries will follow in a third wave as Brazil, Pakistan, North Macedonia, Greece, Georgia, Algeria, Norway and Romania all saw their first cases in the last 24 hours.

The wide spread in South Korea came through a religious cult which demands mandatory participation in overcrowded services. It was patient 31 and her contact with 1160 other persons that led to the wider spread:

It’s not clear where Patient 31 became infected with the virus, but in the days before her diagnosis, she travelled to crowded spots in Daegu, as well as in the capital Seoul. On February 6 she was in a minor traffic accident in Daegu, and checked herself into an Oriental medicine hospital. While at that hospital, she attended services at the Daegu branch of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, on February 9 and again on February 16.

In between those visits, on February 15, doctors at the hospital said they first suggested she be tested for the coronavirus, as she had a high fever. Instead, the woman went to a buffet lunch with a friend at a hotel. In an interview with local newspaper JoongAng Ilbo, the woman denied that doctors had advised her to be tested. As her symptoms worsened, however, doctors say they once again advised her to be tested. On February 17, she finally went to another hospital for the test. The next day, health authorities announced she was the country’s 31st confirmed case. In only a matter of days, those numbers had soared as hundreds of people at the Shincheonji Church and surrounding areas tested positive.

The quarantine of a whole cruise ship in Japan and the incompetent bureaucratic response to it made a further spread in that country inevitable:

On Saturday, the health minister admitted that 23 passengers had been released from the ship without taking a valid recent test and had traveled by public transit after disembarking this past week.

Now that the quarantine has ended and most of the passengers have left, the concern is that they could start spreading the virus on shore.

Japan now has 200 cases and its government has decided to close all schools throughout March.

In Iran the epidemic came from China with people who went to Qom for religious training. The spiritual center of Iran has many religious schools and universities and many pilgrim visit the shrines in the city. They contributed to the further spread of the virus. Iran now has a total of 254 confirmed cases including two lawmakers, a vice president and a deputy minister.

The Iranian government first blamed foreign broadcasts in Farsi language for creating a panic. That was not without reason when one consider the racist reporting like in the New York Times: ‘Recipe for a Massive Viral Outbreak’: Iran Emerges as a Worldwide Threat. The Gulfnews even blamed Iran for all Covid-19 cases in the Middle East while the first cases in the Emirates came from contacts with Chinese tourists.

Yesterday Iran still rejected closing its shrines and to prohibited religious services. Today it canceled tomorrows Friday prayers.

Italy has some 400 cases of which 190 are confirmed. It put 55,000 residents in the northern regions of Lombardy and Veneto under lockdown.

The above countries have now grasped the severity of the issue. The Trump administration seems to be far behind them.

The U.S. is likely to already have a significant number of cases but a lack of testing capacity has made any realistic estimate impossible.

Chinese scientists had published the genome sequence of the virus on January 12 and, based on it, developed test kits within a few days. The U.S. Center of Disease Control and Prevention also developed a test kit but had problems with its first version and its wider distribution. More than a month later it is still not ready for the foreseeable need:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention isn’t yet ready to detect whether the coronavirus is spreading across the country.

Just 12 of more than 100 public health labs in the U.S. are currently able to diagnose the coronavirus because of problems with a test developed by the CDC, potentially slowing the response if the virus starts taking hold here. The faulty test has also delayed a plan to widely screen people with symptoms of respiratory illness who have tested negative for influenza to detect whether the coronavirus may be stealthily spreading.

Only six states — California, Nebraska, Illinois, Nevada, Tennessee, and Idaho — are now testing for the virus, the Association of Public Health Laboratories told POLITICO.

Under current rules, each positive test must be confirmed by a second round of testing at the CDC. [Director Robert Redfield] told lawmakers that the agency can now screen 350-500 samples per day.

“I understand very much the FDA is focused on quality control, but there’s also a need to have a system that can respond to their needs,” [Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiology professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health,] said. “China tested 320,000 people in Guangdong over a three-week period. This is the scale we need to be thinking on.”

A case in Los Angeles shows where this leads to:

It took several days to test a coronavirus patient in Northern California who might be the first to have contracted the disease through community exposure in the United States.

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

UC Davis officials said the patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19. But the patient was not tested until Feb. 23.

The test results were only known three days later.

Under the U.S. medical system testing will be expensive for the patients. Insurances may not pay for it. Many people will be unable or unwilling to spend money on it. Care for serious cases will also be limited by high prices. This guarantees that the virus will spread further. China was smart enough to guarantee 100% state coverage for testing and all necessary care. The U.S. should follow that principle but is  unlikely to do so.

Trump announced that Vice-President Pence, a man who does not believe in science, will lead the response. The libertarian and neo-liberal approach to the problem will further the epidemic’s growth. Only after it becomes really severe will the necessary measures be taken. 

To assess the wider global impact of the pandemic this table is most helpful:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentage shown does NOT represent in any way the share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

In an unrestricted pandemic the virus will infect between 40 to 70 percent of the population. The virus is more deadly than a normal flu but mostly for elderly people with severe preconditions. Children and grown ups in their most productive years can carry the virus without showing symptoms and will only rarely become critical cases. This guarantees that our societies will continue to function. The pandemic will have severe, but not catastrophic, economic consequences as quarantines and fear will limit production and trade on all levels.

Trump’s reelection chances are sinking as Covid-19 cases rise. The incompetence of his administration will come under new light. The stock markets will continue to tumble and erase the economic gains Trump had claimed. Bernie Sanders’ chances of winning, if he survives the pandemic, will increase as his prime campaign promise -Medicare for all- will become even more acceptable when the problems with the current U.S. healthcare system come under new public scrutiny.

There are only few personal measures one can take to protect oneself from exposure. One should avoid personal contacts where possible. Wearing a mask, unless it is a special N-95 respirator which also makes it difficult to breathe, does not prevent one from catching the virus. But infected persons should use masks to protect those they may come in contact with from droplet infections. Stocking up on basic foodstuff and other needs might help to avoid potential shortages.


Previous Moon of Alabama posts on the issue:

Comments

Great thread (as are most). IMO MOA’s writer has done a worthy job of filtering info, and providing insight. The definition of a ‘fluid situation’ is one that suggests things are liable to change. We can’t underestimate the lengths dastardly villains will go to make a buck, accrue power, and murder a few billion people because, you know, ‘over-population’ stretching finite resources and cramping the style of the .1%.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 28 2020 0:29 utc | 101

“Stupid is as Greedy does might be closer to the truth?”
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer @ 85
A very succinct and apt description of the U$A today.

Posted by: ben | Feb 28 2020 0:35 utc | 102

Brazil yesterday 12 suspects and 1 confirmed.
Brazil today 124 and 200 more suspects.
It is not an epidemic, but a pandemic.

Posted by: Otto | Feb 28 2020 0:36 utc | 103

“Governments react too slowly” is not really a problem with this kind of an epidemic. With the infectivity ratio and its relatively low morbidity/mortality, even the most absurd military-style measures can only delay by a little its spreading to new areas and eventually reaching everywhere, just like the flu. In every new area, it will behave just as it did in China (or at least in its home area), plateauing off and tapering off.
So what governments do is of little effect. One thing they could do, of course, would have been to avoid fear politics (something I suppose no government on earth can ever do.)
The only odd, extremely odd, feature, is the high mortality, and young, immunologically unimpaired subject mortality that we are seeing in Iran, with no idea of how it reached the country, and way more importantly, the horrendously high government official infection rate, with a relatively very low total denominator of discovered cases! In Iran, the Coronavirus (if it is the, or one, coronavirus) is behaving exactly as you would expect biologic warfare to spread. This is really too stark to ignore.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Feb 28 2020 0:43 utc | 104

@goldhoarder #93
Yes, data can be misleading. However, a lack of data can be even more misleading. It’s better to make a rough estimate to understand what we’re dealing with than to ignore the numbers altogether and remain in blissful ignorance. If you know how to improve the estimate, please share.

Posted by: S | Feb 28 2020 0:45 utc | 105

Posted by: Sabine | Feb 27 2020 18:12 utc | 15
What makes it different? Well it seems to be very infectious and the fact that it triggers a very virulent pneumonia in people with impaired immune systems and the old (and sick). Flu, in all its forms, seems to kill about half a million a year.
Posted by: Barovsky | Feb 27 2020 22:34 utc | 76
and yet, we are not locking down towns for weeks on end, closing down schools and businesses etc etc etc, but simply take an asprin, get a vaccination (for those inclined) and continue to go to work and stuff.
So that really can’t be it then.

Posted by: Sabine | Feb 28 2020 1:06 utc | 106

@ Posted by: SteveK9 | Feb 27 2020 18:55 utc | 27
Of course it is possible the virus came out from the Wuhan lab. The burden of proof is on you, though.
Either way, even if it did come out from the lab, it doesn’t make it a bioweapon. Those laboratory exist all over the world and they do legitimate and peaceful research. It’s the price of progress.

Posted by: vk | Feb 28 2020 1:12 utc | 107

For those who somehow believe that China,against its own interests, is under-reporting the numbers, you can listen to WHO expert Bruce Aylward, a epidimeologist, who was there on the ground, at multiple cities in China, looking first-hand at the government response, and talking to doctors and those actually who have first-hand knowledge of what is happening.
https://youtu.be/r8dIi_13COM?t=1534
Below, Aylward also observes and points out five extraordinarily impressive tactics and capabilities used by the Chinese govt to tackle the virus. Its efficacy goes far beyond simply the power to quarantine huge cities. Critics who dismissively attribute China’s efficacy to being ‘totalitarian’ are not understanding the incredible organizational and mobilizational skills required to do this — this is not about what type of government the country has, but about how skilled it is at governance.
https://youtu.be/r8dIi_13COM?t=749

Posted by: occupatio | Feb 28 2020 1:56 utc | 108

@91 Dave
I will be sure to cross off unz review from any reading list of mine after reading that purely-speculative waste of writing (and time!). With the exception of Linh Dinh who writes there often, what an anti-west propaganda rag. Many here I am sure get pumped up from that page.
I could just as easily say, China is a densely populated country that has a vast and unregulated meat production and slaughterhouse problem and they are voracious meat eaters. They surrounded themselves with contagion and they are paying the price.
But for goodness sakes, what profit hath the U.S. seen over this now pandemic. Many here harbor the illusion that somehow China is showing weakness and America is taking advantage of their vulnerability by suffering under this blight. Give me a fucking break. No one that I have come into contact with has said anything remotely like, “China is a monster for unleashing this!” It is all in your heads!
And now we are seeing a market hit and a potential, vast-spreading pandemic that will affect the U.S., though my guess that just as the West and developed countries suffer a vastly reduced rate of mortality for infectious disease, with the exception of pneumonia, it will be more bark than bite. Why would the U.S. play with this degree of fire knowing potential blowback? All senseless speculation fueled by those pushing a political agenda. Meanwhile, people with sense aren’t looking to blame. They are prepping for a potential encounter.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 28 2020 1:56 utc | 109

Reality is catching up with our host.
Sometimes ideology needs to be discarded.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Feb 28 2020 2:35 utc | 110

This virus is a man-made virus released by the Powers That Be to reduce human population, reduce the survivors to fear so that they can be controlled and to reduce travel to implement a new feudalistic governance structure.

Posted by: JasonT | Feb 28 2020 2:51 utc | 111

Excellent. My faith has been restored. b is the best analysist on the web. The proof are the revisions made to include the latest information.
Since I am old and an ex-smoker, I am a prime target of the Wuhan coronavirus. I am prepared to shelter in place for a month or so. The problem is it looks like the USA will follow Japan’s example and try to let the virus burn itself out to keep the economy going; hoping summer will mitigate the impact and that there will be a vaccine next year to counter the following waves of infection. If I stop posting this summer, Mike Pence killed me. For-profit Hospitals won’t treat the poor. Before summer was over, without enough intensive care beds, community healthcare systems will be overwhelmed with viral pneumonia cases wherever there is an outbreak. Poor areas will be horrific. Many dying at home or on the street.
Only a miracle that prevents an epidemic will allow Donald Trump to win the election in November. The death of 3.3 million Americas (50% infected and 2% death rate) in the months before the election cannot be hidden by PR. The hatred of the global media moguls for a former NY casino owner assures the publication of the number of fatalities. If public safety and utilities break down, 2020 will be the year that Globalism and the Western Empire ended.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Feb 28 2020 3:19 utc | 112

S@79 – “However, once SARS-CoV-2 (the new, official name for 2019-nCoV) spreads around the globe and people develop immunity to it, it will probably become relatively benign, like the four already existing coronavirii that cause a quarter of all cases of common cold.”
Heh… well, maybe.
A startling number of coronavirus patients get reinfected [ZMEScience link]

“A report by the health authority in China’s Guangdong province, the country’s most populated province with 113 million people, said that 14% of the patients that had recovered from the coronavirus showed new signs of it in later check-ups.
In other words, over 1 in 10 people that got rid of the virus got infected again. While this has not yet been confirmed or fully understood, it makes for a startling figure.
Song Tie, deputy director of the Guangdong Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said to local media they are still trying to understand the phenomenon but preliminarily linked it to patients not being fully recovered from lung infections, which could explain the positive test of the virus. This might not mean that the patients did not get reinfected, but rather did not get rid of the virus completely in the first place.
In order to be released from a hospital in China, patients have to test negative twice in throat or nose swabs test, as well as having a scan that shows no lung lesions and reporting no clear symptoms as fever — based on the National Health Commission guidelines…”

People can get the coronavirus more than once, experts warn — recovering does not necessarily make you immune [BusinessInsider link]

* A coronavirus outbreak that started in China has sickened more than 82,000 people and killed more than 2,800. Cases have been recorded in 47 other countries.
* Most patients seem to make full recoveries, but people who’ve recovered could still get the virus again in the future.
* That already happened to a tour guide in Japan — she recovered from the coronavirus, then tested positive for it again three weeks later.
* The antibodies that patients are producing so far don’t necessarily last very long, one expert said.

Japanese woman reinfected with coronavirus weeks after initial recovery [StraitsTimes link]

“…Prof Philip Tierno Jr, professor of microbiology and pathology at New York University School of Medicine, said: “Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs.”
He said much remains unknown about the virus. “I’m not certain that this is not bi-phasic, like anthrax,” he said, meaning the disease appears to go away before recurring…”

Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 28 2020 3:21 utc | 113

One was wondering what could stop Trump from been elected in view of the ‘fantastic’ boom in USA economy.
Maybe mismanaging Covid will do the job!
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 27 2020 18:32 utc | 19
++++++
This would seem to be a good time/opportunity for Bernie to put together a team to QUICKLY create a plan/roadmap to get an adequate response to the situation and to publish this. Get some crack experts to mine the Chinese response for usable features in the USA, and publicize the plan and share the plan with the current administration.
BTW, what in the world qualifications does Pence have to be the corona czar? None. Trump should have appointed a public health or medical man/woman and tasked him/her with putting together an elite team to create a plan. Doesn’t the USA have a surgeopn general? Why isn’t he/she in charge of this?
Do we even have a working “public health” concept or infrastructure in this country anymore? did we ever?
If flu shots are made available for free or very little every year (I never take them, though), then I should think Coronavirus testing should be made available for free.
I should think such a plan would include . . .
Passing emergency legislation to pay for a few million testing kits;
Initiating contact with companies that produce the kits.
Wherever they are being produced. I.e., can the Chinese spare the USA a few million tests?
Plan to distribute kits quickly as needed throughout the country.
Speeded-up training for mobile teams in every state to do testing.
Establishment of database of those tested, for follow-up.
Outreach to homeless for testing. They are probably some of the most obvious carriers and spreaders of the infection, since they cannot self-quarantine.
Announce that testing is free for seniors. All others pay a minimal fee, such as $10.
Any retesting that is required will be paid for by the govt.
Masks are free.
Care of those testing positive will be paid for by the government.
REgional centers are set up to provide info on what Self-quarantine means, and how to do it effectively.
Special teams are set up with suits etc. who can distribute groceries etc. to elderly and others who are self-quarantining.
Just a few ideas from an ignoramus.
I am still not that scared of this virus, although I am a senior. I think a robust immune system is the best defense.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 28 2020 3:21 utc | 114

@ 78 Paul Cockshott
There was no cure for the “Spanish flu”. It was devastating because of the ignorance of the leaders at the time, notably Woodrow Wilson’s mania to push the American people into an overseas war. There was official denial from leadership that allowed war bond rallies to provide wonderful venues for the virus to proliferate. The virus decimated young men in barracks living together like sardines. It would have been possible to quarantine the virus.
But covid19 is another story. The incubation period is uncertain, but it seems to be longer than 2 weeks so that it is spread by those without symptoms. It is transmissible in the air and it lives for a time outside the host on door handles, counters, etc.
China has destroyed its economy with a futile quarantine policy. A global collapse is taking shape before our eyes and this depression is going to kill many people. I suspect when you look carefully at the consequences of the shut down of the economic engine the mortality rate could be greater than the pandemic. It will reinforce the killing power of the virus. Shortages of all the medically necessary equipment and so on.
The alternative to a Chinese style quarantine is a self-quarantine. Make sure there are enough hospital beds to accommodate those who need them, sick people stay home, cover coughs & sneezes, wash hands, avoid public gatherings, everybody wears masks. Work until you can’t. 2% die. 80% or so are never seriously incapacitated. Keep on trucking as the virus takes its toll. So long as it doesn’t become more lethal than it is now, we can wait it out until scientists come up with a vaccine. Like the flu virus of 1918, it may disappear, or it may not, given that people who recover seem to be vulnerable to reinfection. We don’t know just yet. We’re still getting acquainted with this virus.
It may be possible for life to go on more or less normally in the midst of this pandemic.

Posted by: jadan | Feb 28 2020 3:31 utc | 115

but knowledge is power, and as we have seen, the mortality rate is not that shocking, so a little sensible information could slow down a panic and a market one as well.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 27 2020 20:05 utc | 51
++++++
Great idea!
The White House should open a special “Suggestion Box” telephone line so as to invite the citizens to share any good ideas about how to deal with the situation. Many heads are better than one. And I bet very few Americans have much confidence in Pence to come up with any brilliant ideas or “take-charge” talents.
Trump should give a Fireside Chat type of update every evening, or every other evening. With the Surgeon General by his side. The SG is this fellow:
“Dr. Jerome Adams is the 20th Surgeon General of the United States. His mission as the “Nation’s Doctor,” is to advance the health of the American people.”
He is an African American. That helps.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 28 2020 3:38 utc | 116

@115 Really??
I like your ideas! Self quarantine is the way to go. Fellow citizens will drop dead now and then and life may develop a macabre edge, which will be less traumatic than an “active shooter” at Walmart. We will develop an effective medicare for all system. No need to punish the mass of people or destroy the economy. But if the virus becomes more lethal then the Chinese quarantine may be needed.

Posted by: jadan | Feb 28 2020 3:44 utc | 117

Prediction: in a month China will be a safer place coronavirus-wise than the U.S.

Posted by: fairleft | Feb 28 2020 3:49 utc | 118

Aaron @23:
The chart given shows figures for this:
“Out of all people age XX to YY who get this disease, Z.ZZ% die from it.”
What b said (correctly) that the chart was NOT saying is this:
“Out of all people who die from this disease, Z.ZZ% of them are age XX to YY.”
I hope that makes the difference clearer for you.

Posted by: jalp | Feb 28 2020 3:54 utc | 119

Something stinks in Denmark (Wuhan)
Posted by: DFC | Feb 27 2020 21:06 utc | 62
+++++++++++++++++
Very chilling report.
Does anyone know what kinds of investigations the Chinese are conducting to figure out where this really came from?

Posted by: Rreally?? | Feb 28 2020 3:55 utc | 120

VietnamVet | Feb 28 2020 3:19 utc | 113
Yes, the timing of the coming epidemic is perfect for Bernie, but the DNC fix is in for the Elizabeth Warren, the fake Bernie Sanders. The rule of oligarchs, neoliberalism and endless war, likely will continue past 2020.
Good luck to all with fragile respiratory systems.
ADVICE: Stay at least a meter away from everyone, avoid mass transit, wear gloves, wear a flu mask (but know it offers no protection to you: it protects others from germs you may spew), wash hands frequently and properly. Stay in good health: eat right and keep exercising (biking is a good choice).

Posted by: fairleft | Feb 28 2020 4:05 utc | 121

@117 Really??
You know, what a change of pace to have the prez actually exhibit a form of care and compassion to address the nation routinely, without the big show of quarterly press conferences or annual SOTU addresses.
To have Trump unscripted, fielding questions, reassuring the people, and having his Surgeon General there to hand it over to. Doesn’t seem like too much and Trump could endear himself.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 28 2020 4:08 utc | 122

Either way, even if it did come out from the lab, it doesn’t make it a bioweapon. Those laboratory exist all over the world and they do legitimate and peaceful research. It’s the price of progress.
Posted by: vk | Feb 28 2020 1:12 utc | 108
+++++++++++++++
According to Francis Boyle, the ONLY purpose of the level 4 labs is to produce bioweapons. What in the world would be their other purpose? “legitimate and peaceful research”—you are dreaming.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 28 2020 4:27 utc | 123

So the latest thing is Pandemic Bonds issued in 2017 by the World Bank. Apparently 300 million in losses for investors who bought thrm if a pandemic declared before July 20, 2020. Remember though. For every loser there is a winner.
Sounds to me that these bonds allow someone to make a killing in the event a pandemic is declared, perhaps even those who developed and subsequently released the virus. While some investors may lose, this is actually a small amount of money in the grand scheme of things. That said some small group of investors could bet the other way and make a killing via hedge funds or derivatives. Follow the money.
Also, the stock markets no longer follow fundamentals. The Fed in taking the lead of the plunge protection team since 2009 props them up with futures trading. Seeing as Trumps precious has been allowed to take a hit in an election year, one can see those at the top have an interest in creating a financial panic to reinforce the health panic. Problem-Reaction-Solution. Opportunity knocks. Yet again.
Vast sums of money are to be made here from vaccines/drugs/testing, not to mention opportunities for more government power and mandatory vaccinations and Digital ID (ID2020). Both of the latter are pet projects of Bill Gates who is one of the biggest funder of WHO and GAVIS, and also behind Event 201 and Netflix Pandemic documentary conveniently timed to show in January
That WHO and World Bank are behind these financial instruments relating to pandemic, and Covid-19 started getting played up shortly after the Davos meeting makes things interesting.
On the Chinese side collaboration of Chinese and US scientists relating to coronavirus is well established as is funding from DOD and NIH. Patents for vaccine processes are held by the Godfather of coronavirus in NC and Gates affiliated Pirbright Institute. China signs a trade deal promising to honor patent rights right before Covid-19 hype began.
Bioloake in Wuhan is home to many leading Big Pharma and Biotech Giants, and Chinas new Vaccine Law beefs up enforcement of mandatory vaccines.
Nanoscience technology to be used to monitor patients with 5G and nanobots has been in the work for years. A leading expert at Harvard , a recipient of DoD/NIH grants was recently arrested for hiding his involvement with Wuhan Institute of Technology. Wuhan is one of Chinas first 5G/smart cities. Great opportunity to roll out the technology. Imagine every citizens health being monitored 24/7 by nanobots. Have a fever, its reported immediately, orders for quarantine issued by text and enforced by surveillance drones and restricting credit and travel.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 28 2020 5:18 utc | 124

Well, that whole age demographic put things into perspective, didnt it? I would guess most readers of this fantastic blog are in , lets just call it, the more geriatric demograph, to say the least:) Which would explain the sudden new-found panic prevalent among our readership lol…
Relax, guys. Im convinced this is a molehill among mountains, a pre-designed distraction from a few nasty realities that plague the geopolitical world right now, and will be milked for everything it’s worth.
Global infant mortality rates = 29 deaths per 1000 live births. Lets start there….

Posted by: D | Feb 28 2020 5:23 utc | 125

Really??
Any country in the world would be foolish not to research highly infectious disease for defence against them be they natural or man made.
US for sure would have never stopped research on bio weapons regardless of any conventions or treaties they have signed and for that reason it is critical other countries research them.
After MERS and SARS, US would have great interest in the corona bat virus as a possible bio weapon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 28 2020 5:31 utc | 126

What an odd discussion in the comment section above. Having Trump, who has presided over bombings, coups, and assassinations, do “fireside chats” about what amounts to a flu in order to “endear himself”? lol What on earth is going on?! Is this one of the symptoms of panic?

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 5:51 utc | 127

Too many coincidences
DFC #62 and 81
Thank you for your effort to assemble a credible list of papers for us to consider. This is a terrible scenario for all. Especially if it is capable of reinfecting.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 28 2020 6:14 utc | 128

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE

Posted by: c | Feb 28 2020 7:31 utc | 129

The whole virus scare is very over-hyped but makes a good scapegoat for the bursting of an economic bubble created by the elites. Expect see all economic problems over the next years blamed on the coronavirus, rather than Brexit, Trump, overpopulation etc Perhaps it will even keep people off the streets.

Posted by: Tom | Feb 28 2020 9:05 utc | 130

My advice is – – –
Take your money out of your bank account RIGHT NOW.
Very soon they will limit the amount you can withdraw. It’s your money and when we’re in ‘lock down’ you will need it.
Don’t ecxpect help from or rely on the authority’s.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2020 10:46 utc | 131

“According to Francis Boyle, the ONLY purpose of the level 4 labs is to produce bioweapons. What in the world would be their other purpose?”
Professor Boyle may be a smart guy, but he is still an American, and as such many knee-jerk attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors come built-in. One of the foremost among these attitudes is to see himself (as an American) as representing the global norm and something of the human societal baseline that can be used to understand others in the world. This is as natural for Americans as breathing and is something very few ever even come close to recognizing, regardless of how smart they believe themselves to be or how credentialed they are.
There are in fact purposes for BSL-4 facilities other than creating bioweapons (which might be the only purpose warmongering and bellicose Americans can think of), one of which is analyzing bio samples to determine if they contain evidence of weapons that are being deployed against one’s population. Basically the Wuhan BSL-4 facility was built to defend against biological warfare attacks, which SARS-CoV MkII most definitely is.
For those who assert “But America would never use a weapon that could result in blow-back!” I suggest reexamining America’s weapon against the Russians in Afghanistan, al Qaeda. Note that America still uses that weapon even after the blow-back on September 11, 2001.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2020 11:15 utc | 132

Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 28 2020 3:21 utc | 114
Some people are invested in a panic. Share prices were too damn high ….

Posted by: somebody | Feb 28 2020 11:23 utc | 133

Official: Switzerland bans gatherings over 1,000 people
No revolution for Switzerland!
The authoritarian club is only growing. I’m impressed how ideas are bent under the pressure of reality.

Posted by: vk | Feb 28 2020 11:39 utc | 134

curious that these hardest hit areas [in SK] are also “reservoirs” of disillusionment with the U.S.
Posted by: Zee | Feb 27 2020 18:59 utc | 28
Korea in ancient time was divided into Koguryo (from Seoul area to a large part of. Liaoning province of Chine, and in the south, Silla and Pekche. Former Pekche is leftist, more anti-American, former Silla rightist, pro-American, Seoul area has everybody. The big outbreak was in Daegu, conservative heartland (3rd largest city, near former capital of Silla).
Frankly, Koreans do not relate ancient kingdoms to politics, but I learned about them, and it is hard to memorize Korean provinces.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 28 2020 13:48 utc | 135

@128 SharonM
I was only offering motivations for why and how Trump should react to this in an election year.
Furthermore, to preclude that Trump’s presidency is beyond saving is something I am not ready to do. He can do a handful of things right now that would help turn it around.
But you are right. We shouldn’t encourage Trump to do anything for the public good because he has already shown himself as pure evil. /sarc

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2020 14:07 utc | 136

– This is the strategy to combat the virus: Pray & hope for the best.
– The Trump administration has cut funding for the CDC (Center of Disease Control) and that’s going to back fire on him and nhis re-election campagne.
– Did Trump c.s. already blame the Democrats for the outbreak of the disease ? Rush Linbaugh did !

Posted by: Willy2 | Feb 28 2020 14:12 utc | 137

It seems that China has developed some rapid test kit for Cov-19. How accurate is it ?
https://twitter.com/CaliCali2000/status/1233242928752971776

If made a priority, point-of-care diagnostic kits could be developed within months at a cost of tens of millions of dollars. Several companies are racing to develop one, but they need help to succeed. These include new diagnostic tools identified by the Foundation for Innovative Diagnostics, a 15-minute test being developed by Chinese laboratories, a Duke University test being deployed in Singapore, and diagnostic tests using CRISPR technology. These efforts still need more money flowing, robust competition, and coherent government coordination and management.

https://hbr.org/2020/02/we-need-a-cheap-way-to-diagnose-coronavirus

China develops COVID-19 detection kit that delivers results in 15 minutes
Updated 12:48, 15-Feb-2020

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-15/China-develops-COVID-19-detection-kit-that-delivers-results-in-15-min–O6aPGKuzGo/index.html

Posted by: Tom_LX | Feb 28 2020 14:13 utc | 138

“How to separate Covid-19 patients from seasonal influenza patients, and how to separate healthy people from Covid-19 patients, and how to separate other patients from Covid-19 patients: if you don’t solve that problem, human-to-human transmissions will not stop,” Zhong told a briefing on Tuesday.
Only isolated cases were being found to have incubation periods longer than the average of two to seven days, said Zhong, whose research team have released a draft paper for peer review that was based on analysis of 1,099 cases in China. Among the 1,099 cases, only one had an incubation period longer than 24 days, and only 13 were longer than 14 days.
Zhong said that the southern province of Guangdong was going to treat patients with severe cases using plasma extracted from the blood of recovered patients, which contains antibodies they developed to fight the virus. It would not be used for critically ill patients, because their condition was more complex.
Use of antimalarial drug chloroquine diphosphate as a coronavirus cure merited further investigation after some patients responded to it, Zhong said.

https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/pharmaceuticals/

Posted by: Tom_LX | Feb 28 2020 14:30 utc | 139

@138 NemesisCalling
Trump lies constantly, he’s Mr.Propaganda. He is responsible for countless victims of bombings, assassinations and coups. He joyfully aligns with the KSA and the Israelis. But you think it would be a “public good”, and would “endear himself” if he sat his lying butt down and used his emphysema-like delivery to calm the public, about a virus which is far less dangerous than the annual flu, in a series of fireside chats as if you’re having some nostalgia for WW2?
Panic looks like a cartoon when there’s nothing to panic about;)

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 14:45 utc | 140

First victim of the Japanese death trap:
Tourist on board coronavirus cruise ship ‘Diamond Princess’ becomes 1st British death from outbreak
Japan has already quarantined Hokkaido — its most isolated and demographically empty main island. Why should we think the virus hasn’t spread to Honshu yet?

Posted by: vk | Feb 28 2020 15:17 utc | 141

@141 SharonM
Have you not been paying attention? Large swaths of China are shut down. America is just beginning to feel the pain. With or without high mortality rates, damage is still being done.
It does not sound very innocuous to me.
For you to say that no leadership is needed now is just silly and smacks of TDS.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2020 15:25 utc | 142

I don’t know that any of this really makes any sense. Is there really anything that can be done to stop an easily spreading virus? Shouldn’t the population just be exposed so our bodies can develop an immunity to it? So China slowed down the spread. If they go back to work shouldn’t it just start spreading again? I suppose maybe by summer more fresh air and sunshine people don’t get sick as much. The whole reaction to this just seems strange.

Posted by: goldhoarder | Feb 28 2020 16:00 utc | 143

Nemesis @143: Large swaths of China are shut down.
IMO the greatest danger from the virus comes when hospitals are overwhelmed so that those who need respirators can’t get one. Because it’s so contagious, the number of severe cases can easily grow so cutting down the infection rate is crucial.
China had an extraordinary event that contributed to the spread: the Chinese New Year holiday. The Chinese had to play catch-up after allowing the holiday to go on largely unimpeded.
It seems that other countries (Italy, Japan, Korea) have been slow to act and USA is among them if the availability of working testing kits is any indication.
What is needed is good organization and preparation.
The capitalists advising Trump seem more concerned that the public will pull back and economic activity will slow than they are with controlling spread of the virus.
Trump’s selection of Pence as ‘Virus Czar’ doesn’t inspire confidence.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Feb 28 2020 16:08 utc | 144

@143 NemesisCalling
You’re having a bad moment as a diagnostician, NemesisCalling. The symptoms for TDS is fear of Russia, thinking Trump is at all uniquely horrible in the long line of horrible U.S. regime leaders, and being completely unaware of ones own hypocrisy. I don’t have TDS;)
The coronavirus is just not that dangerous. A dangerous epidemic is like the influenza of 1918, where it killed 50 million people worldwide, and was deadly to the strongest in societies–18-40 year-olds. This virus is nowhere close to the mortality rate of the annual flu.
Now, how you can call for leadership from someone who bombed Syria for entertainment, tells me that you’re both in a state of panic and your judgment is a bit screwy because of it.

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 16:18 utc | 145

Not totally unrelated: Why did Trump appoint vice president Pence to head the task force that will deal with the corona virus? Pence is a political hack with zero knowledge of medicine, although he is an evangelical Christian who might try to pray the virus away. This is either another one of Trump’s dumb appointments, or Pence is being set up to be the fall guy if things really go bad. Maybe the president wants to switch horses and get a new running mate for the next election? Or just have a scapegoat sitting in the spotlight and ready to go?

Posted by: Donnie | Feb 28 2020 16:24 utc | 146

Re: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 16:18 utc | 146
You state “The coronavirus is just not that dangerous. A dangerous epidemic is like the influenza of 1918, where it killed 50 million people worldwide, and was deadly to the strongest in societies–18-40 year-olds. This virus is nowhere close to the mortality rate of the annual flu.
For the 2018-2019 flu season in the US, the CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths (even with a vaccine widely available). This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season. 
490,600 hospitalizations out of 35.5 million infections represents less than a 2% hospitalization rate for the flu; the coronavirus reportedly has a hospitalization rate 7 to 10 times greater than the flu (around 15% to 20% of those who become infected develop severe symptoms).  
The 2018-2019 US influenza stats show that about 1 out of every 1000 people who get the flu will die from it (34,200 deaths out of 35.5 million cases).  That is a case fatality rate of 0.1%.  
The reported case fatality rate of the coronavirus is 10 to 20 times higher, at 1% to 2%, which also corresponds to the hospitalization rate of Coronavirus.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 28 2020 16:35 utc | 147

Nice summary but everyone’s focused on the fatality rate that depends on several factors and ignoring the severity index. COVID-19 has a very high severity index, 20% of patients require hospitalization and 3% of cases require ICU care. To put this in context if there were 20,000 cases in a city, that would require 600 ICU beds which would overwhelm a large US city’s resources. This is why the initial fatality rate in Wuhan was stratospheric as the health system couldn’t provide beds for sick patients. It only dropped to around 2% after the government built entire additional hospitals in 6-10 days. Fatality rate in Iran is about 20% as they presumably lack the ventilator machines required to care for critically ill patients, while Singapore is nearly zero with much better capacity. Anthony Fauci also stated the Spanish Flu’s fatality rate was a similar COVID-19’s 2-4% which killed an estimated 50m people.

Posted by: SA | Feb 28 2020 17:02 utc | 148

There is NO reason to believe the official figures from the Chinese government. On the contrary, there is every reason to be, at least, skeptical, if not downright disbelieveing.
The famous United States muckraker I.F. Stone had as a life-long motto: All governments lie.
Anybody accepting Chinese government figures should be required to show evidence, if not outright proof, that they have been independently verified and are thus trustworthy.

Posted by: RJPJR | Feb 28 2020 17:03 utc | 149

@ 148 Perimetr
“What is the COVID-19 mortality rate?
If we look at the WHO numbers as of February 22, 2020, of the 76,392 reported cases in China, there have been 2348 deaths, which puts the mortality rate in China at 3%. Outside of China, however, there have been 11 deaths out of the 1,402 cases, which is a 0.78% mortality rate…
The fatality rate of patients over 80 years old was estimated to be 14.8%. Death in those under 50 appears to be unlikely, with the mortality rate of 40-49 year olds estimated to be 0.4% and 0.2% for patients 10-39 years of age.”
https://healthykidshappykids.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-covid-19/
The boomers, of course, are scared and panic, but for the rest of us it’s less dangerous than the seasonal flu;) Just look at the article you linked to. Almost all of the deaths associated with the flu are in the 65 and above age group. That’s what’s happening with the coronavirus.

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 17:15 utc | 150

111;Ideology?

Posted by: dahoit | Feb 28 2020 17:25 utc | 151

Re: SharonM @ 150
A case fatality rate of 0.78% is still 8 times higher than that of the flu. But IMO a larger threat is the frequency of severe symptoms that require hospitalization of the patient.
Considering the extreme infectivity of the Coronavirus, and the fact that there is no natural immunity (no “herd” immunity) to the disease, it seems quite plausible that a large percentage of any population will become ill with it. 28% of the US population got the Spanish Flu . . . If even 10% of the US public (I live in the US) gets sick (33 million people), and 15% of them require hospitalization, that will mean almost 5 million people will flood the hospitals. There are less than one million beds in US hospitals.
Plus 90% of US meds come from China. Worst case scenario is US hospitals overflowing with severe cases plus a severe shortage of medications.

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 28 2020 17:28 utc | 152

factors unknown required
Coronavirus infection WHO

Posted by: snake | Feb 28 2020 17:31 utc | 153

@ RJPJR | Feb 28 2020 17:03 utc | 149
There is no reason to believe any government at this point – what they say, may or may not be true.
There is no way to tell and there has been a clamp-down on information.
I suspect there is not much that can be done about it at this point.
It does not appear that the US (for example) is mobilizing resources in a big way.
The appointment of Pence as virus csar is rather telling – token effort.
Likely the greatest damage (of national interest) will be economic – appears it will be very great, largely due the the fragile state of world finance.
Perhaps the best hope for the world is if the US is bankrupted.

Posted by: jared | Feb 28 2020 17:35 utc | 154

The FED has injected over $6 Trillion into Wall Street since Sept 2019 to prop up the bubble. It will be interesting to see what the Fed does now. It this a moment when the mega rich can feast at the remains of Wall Street after a 1929 collapse or will they continue to pump money into Wall Street?

Posted by: Stever | Feb 28 2020 17:54 utc | 155

@152 Perimetr
Though we don’t agree on the severity of this virus, I definitely agree with you on hospital overflow, in my view because of unnecessary panic.

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 17:57 utc | 156

Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 28 2020 17:28 utc | 152
Here in Germany (50 cases discovered up to now) they tell the “light” cases to stay at home and cure it there.
Hospital is the worst option.
Immunologists over here say some 60 to 70 percent of the population will get infected in the end. Only problem is if that happens very fast (ie within one year).
It is a real threat if you happen to have some disease already. It might have the potential to change Western demographics (apart from getting Bernie Sanders elected in the US).

Posted by: somebody | Feb 28 2020 18:38 utc | 157

SharonM@150
My wife’s grandmother was one of those killed by US troops carrying the virus from Kansas to Europe in the influenza of 1918.
The Fatality rate of 0.78% outside of China is an underestimate due to a delay loop between infection and death. Deaths from the SARS CoV-2 could kill 6-8 million in the US, which would triple the yearly mortality rate.
These deaths will be minor compared to deaths from secondary effects due to supply chain breakdowns for food, fuel, electrical power, medicines (from China). Such secondary collapses could unleash violent warbands (see Arnold Toynbee) killing for supplies.
The collapse of support services would also result in the sick, diseased, infirm (diabetes, heart disease, etc.) and injured to die in large numbers. Forget hospitals and pharmacies as they will be overwhelmed.
The looting of the people by the super rich neo-feudal masters has led to a population where over 50% have less than $400 in reserves to purchase needed items such as food and medicine. Bloomberg alone is richer than 48% of the combined US population (excluding the car asset class). Those living in cities will be hardest hit and may experience a purge like environment for survival.
Thus, I would expect some 30-50 million deaths in America from secondary effects in addition to the virus and normal mortality of about 10 million.

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 28 2020 19:01 utc | 158

@159 Krollchem
“My wife’s grandmother was one of those killed by US troops carrying the virus from Kansas to Europe in the influenza of 1918.”
You worded that perfectly, Krollchem. In fact, if Stalin and Mao are alleged to be mass murders for their famines, then surely Woodrow Wilson is the supreme mass murderer in world history.
But I don’t share your panicked assessment about the coronavirus.

Posted by: SharonM | Feb 28 2020 19:12 utc | 159

@S #72
Given under 20% of the passengers and crew on a cruise ship – trapped for weeks – contracted nCOV, your scenario is extremely wrong.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 28 2020 19:20 utc | 160

In China, most grandparents live with their family. In the West, many elder people live in old people’s homes. No need to explain what happens if the coronovirus infects an old people’s home.

Posted by: passerby | Feb 28 2020 19:46 utc | 161

Just to add to the excitement, some epidemologists speaking to the infotainment mass media are suggesting that due to what appears to be a rather short-lived immunity from having had the Covid-19 illness that this could become an annual/seasonal thing like the flu, only with an order of magnitude higher fatality rate.
The scenario being painted is one in which there are a few million additional deaths each year in the US alone. Surviving one year doesn’t mean you’ll make it the next as it is being speculated that re-catching it will be as typical as re-catching the common cold.
Having to run the virus gauntlet every year with much higher stakes sounds like it will add some spice to life, I suppose. I rather doubt the CIA thought it would turn out like this before they started spraying it around Wuhan. Likely only conducted very limited tests before deploying it, or perhaps almost no tests at all besides infecting some rendition victims at black sites to make sure it actually killed some of them.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2020 20:05 utc | 162

Prince Philip has quipped more than once – “I’m not sure if reincarnation is true but if it is I want to come back as a virus that wipes out the world’s humans” [or some words like that]. So when HRH Prince Loathsomeness soon dies ( https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1248210/prince-philip-health-latest-queen-elizabeth-II-update-royal-family-news-duke-of-edinburgh ) and the latest dread deadly virus called Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburgvirus, arises then we will know we’re fucked.

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 28 2020 20:05 utc | 163

RE: tucenz | Feb 28 2020 20:05 utc | 164
perhaps the crownvirus (coronavirus) is the precursor!

Posted by: tucenz | Feb 28 2020 20:23 utc | 164

This is how DPRK is reporting about Covid-19, stating the truth as it is not downgrading the seriousness of the infection as it is being done in Europe right now, including interesting information about the spreading of the virus also through air and dust, along with contaminated objects and dropplets from coughing and sneezing …Also it seems that the quarantine period must be extended from 14 to 24 days…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI_MG3ZnDak
Amongst the general incompetence and lack of stature, it seems that in some health organizations it has been even proposed to transport the samples of the affected in the personal vehicles of the health personel…The person who has proposed this should be fired immedaitely so as to avoid further damage, not only for being a clear public health walking danger, but also due the absolute lack of empathy and basic civic attitude towards health personel at its charge, not to mention clear incompetence to direct public health services/organizations. The guy/gal is clearly thinking here about saving money first.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Feb 28 2020 20:48 utc | 165

I suggest this thread be read to learn more about Pompeo’s lack of concern for his fellow Americans.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2020 20:58 utc | 166

@ 138 Willy2
Trump did not cut CDC funding. A budget cut of around 40 million was proposed for 2021 but has not been approved by Congress as of yet.
Bloomberg lied outright.

Posted by: Fractional ownership | Feb 28 2020 21:02 utc | 167

@c1ue #161
It’s not “my” scenario. I’ve borrowed the “40–70% infected” figure from b’s statement:

In an unrestricted pandemic the virus will infect between 40 to 70 percent of the population.

If the infection rate is going to be 20%, then we’re looking at 1.22 million deaths in the U.S.⁠—still not “an ordinary flu”. (Influenza causes 10,000⁠–⁠60,000 deaths per year in the U.S.)
Of course, the death rates published by China CDC are dominated by Wuhan data, and the ultimate global death rates will be different (the death rate on Diamond Princess is currently 0.8%). I’m simply making a rough, order-of-magnitude estimate based on what we know so far. If you know how to improve the estimate, please share.

Posted by: S | Feb 28 2020 21:12 utc | 168

it doesn’t have to be as dangerous as the spanish flu to still be a great danger.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 28 2020 21:50 utc | 169

Every viral pathogen has the potential to be lethal to its victim–they are ALL dangerous.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 28 2020 22:05 utc | 170

I love a great conspiracy theory. Here is mine, total speculation. Chinese agents enlist a Canadian doctor known for losing virus samples. They get a SARS sample from Canada and send it to Wuhan. The Canadian doctor dies in Kenya from a routine violence. Shortly there after a virus that seems manmade combing Sars and HIV starts killing people. The Chinese goverment keeps it on the down low for weeks if not months. The thing about this virus is that is it is like West Nile, kill one person leave another untouched. Today the crazy conspiracy people think the virus escaped Wuhan and is now spreading around the globe. The people who watch homeland see a false flag. China was set up. A third party released the virus in Wuhan. The psych ops people took over. When this ends we will at least know if it was pych ops or real death.

Posted by: steve | Feb 28 2020 23:52 utc | 171

For those who assert “But America would never use a weapon that could result in blow-back!” I suggest reexamining America’s weapon against the Russians in Afghanistan, al Qaeda. Note that America still uses that weapon even after the blow-back on September 11, 2001.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2020 11:15 utc | 133
+++++
I have great respect for the views of Mr. Gruff.
So I am very surprised that he rinses and repeats the official narrative assertion that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 28 2020 23:59 utc | 172

According to an article in SCMP today the laboratory at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre was ordered to close for “rectification” on January 12, a day after Professor Zhang Yongzhen’s team published the genome sequence on open platforms. It closed temporarily the following day. The release of the data helped researchers develop test kits for the virus.
China’s National Health Commission announced hours after the release by Zhang’s team that it would share the genome sequence with the World Health Organisation. It later emerged that the information had been sent through the officially designated Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Zhang’s team isolated and finished the genome sequence of the then-unknown virus on January 5, two days before China’s official announcement that mysterious pneumonia cases in Wuhan were caused by a hitherto unknown coronavirus. The Shanghai centre reported its discovery to the National Health Commission on the same day
The team made the finding public on January 11 after it saw that the authorities had taken no obvious action to warn the public about the coronavirus.
An article from Caixin that has now been deleted supposedly stated that on
December 29, the industry leader Huada Gene (Shenzhen, China) completed a case of gene sequencing, and the results showed that the virus and SARS gene sequence similarity was as high as 80%. On January 1, the company’s three sample test reports were reported to the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission.
It was not until January 9th that the Chinese Communist Party officially declared the pathogen a “new Coronavirus.”
The report also quoted a person from a gene sequencing company who disclosed that on January 1, 2020, he received a phone call from an official of the Health and Medical Commission of Hubei Province, informing him that existing case samples must be destroyed and sample information cannot be disclosed. Relevant papers and related data cannot be released to the public.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 29 2020 0:02 utc | 173

goldhoarder | Feb 28 2020 16:00 utc | 144
++++
Yeah, I have similar inchoate reactions to this whole thing.
No one wants anyone to die. Ever!
And no one wants to be the one whose immune system is too weak to defend against illness.
But the big picture is that the species becomes stronger if weaker individuals or those who are not genetically gifted with means of defense. I realize this sounds like a vaguely eugenic argument. But, we all have to die sometime. It wouild be nice if our society were set up so that ALL those facing death receive compassionate medical care, painkillers, emotional support, etc.
Still, it is better to channel funds to fighting illness than to developing and producing weapons of any sort whatsoever. But this rechanneling of resources is not going to take place, at least not in the USA. That is what makes this whole thing so weird and schizophrenic. Violent killing is funded, while funds are withdrawn from public health and medical care that could prevent the “tranquil” (i.e. technically “nonviolent”) deaths via preventable diseases and social conditions.

Posted by: Really?? | Feb 29 2020 0:14 utc | 174

Really?? @173
I apologize. That was cheap and disingenuous of me. It was a rhetorical shortcut that I shouldn’t have taken.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 29 2020 0:21 utc | 175

Karlof1@171
“Every viral pathogen has the potential to be lethal to its victim–they are ALL dangerous.”
Actually, its the other way around, every virus has the potential to be overwhelmed by the human immune systems response.
Anyone who has studied immunology comes away with great respect for the complexity and effectiveness of our evolved immune system. From the immediate innate immune systems responses to humoral and cellular adoptive immune systems response with receptors that can recognize any possible antigen from any virus (natural or man made). The latter takes a week to gear up but has memory, so subsequent reinfections either wont be possible or will be attenuated. Indeed, scientists are finding that the innate immune system which is the first line of defense can be trained, so after an initial infection its response to future exposure will be more robust.
Of course I am talking here about humans who are healthy and well nourished. Elderly, sick and those with poor immune systems are always at risk even to common cold viruses. In fact our genetic diversity which passes on to receptors of the adaptive immune cells ensures there will never be any one virus that would wipe out humanity. Paradoxically, even the most benign new virus could be deadly to a small subset of persons.
This virus, just a modified version of other coronaviruses will run its course. Some will get sick and die, as they do with the flu. Others perhaps will just have mild illness or not feel sick at all. They will have immunity to subsequent reinfection, partial or otherwise. Those who are reinfected wont be as sick
Unless of course it mutates. In 1918 there were 2 stages, a milder spring version and a more deadly fall/winter stage. Influenza mutates far more quickly though. Also, limited transportation means limited the geographic spread in the first wave so in the 2nd wave there was a large naive population who were unprotected. In fact, many victims actually survived the viral assault, but secondary bacterial infections in an age without antibiotics finished them off. Young and old alike. Sanitation and nutrition also were not up to todays standards. Also globalization ensures rapid spreading and exposure in the first stage.
People really should relax. Stress and fear impair your immune system. I have cancer and kidney failure and am old , living in Greater China. I stay away from obviously sick people but need to see Doctors so am exposed. The masks and temperature checks actually keep sick people at home. Not a bad thing.
Government measures are what hurts most. For example I probably would not go to hospital if I had a bad cold for fear I would be quarantined. Thats not good. We should treat this like any other cold or flu. But there is money to be made, power to be obtained, so its exploited.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 29 2020 0:34 utc | 176

Seems Pompeo had a rough time with Congress today. This write-up provides more than the Twitter blurb I posted earlier. Trump, Pompeo & Pence would make a great Three Stooges group; unfortunately, they’re the top three members of the US government–the point being no of them should be anywhere near to power of any sort.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 29 2020 0:46 utc | 177

karlof1 | Feb 29 2020 0:46 utc | 178
The Holy Trinity of Evil

Posted by: V | Feb 29 2020 0:54 utc | 178

@ Posted by: Pft | Feb 29 2020 0:02 utc | 174
Those news are not censored in Chinese media. It’s already widely known the Chinese have already sequenced the genome (the first country it sent to was Russia, by the way). The 80% news was also widely publicized (SARS-CoV-2).

Posted by: vk | Feb 29 2020 1:09 utc | 179

@S #169
The missing variable is time.
The likelihood that 40% to 70% of the US gets nCOV in the next year is 0.
Regular rhino and non-novel Coronavirus infection rates are in that range – over spans of decades.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 29 2020 1:39 utc | 180

The more I look into this and read, the more convinced I am that Covid-19 (Event 201) is a collaboration between the Global MIC’s (joint medical and military industrial complexes) and that China is a major partner. Much has already been said about Chinas role but the US getting a bit of a pass from any serious scrutiny.
From a fascinating article from Whitney Webb (google it) one learns
DARPA’s Preventing Emerging Pathogenic Threats, or PREEMPT program was announced in April 2018. PREEMPT focuses specifically on animal reservoirs of disease, specifically bats. DARPA’s announcement for PREEMPT came just a few months after the U.S. government decided to end a moratorium on so-called “gain-of-function” studies involving dangerous pathogens.
Duke is a key partner of DARPA’s Pandemic Prevention Platform (P3) program, which officially aims “to dramatically accelerate discovery, integration, pre-clinical testing, and manufacturing of medical countermeasures against infectious diseases.” The first step of the Duke/DARPA program involves the discovery of potentially threatening viruses and “develop[ing] methods to support viral propagation, so that virus can be used for downstream studies.”
Duke University is also jointly partnered with China’s Wuhan University, which is based in the city where the current coronavirus outbreak began, which resulted in the opening of the China-based Duke Kunshan University (DKU) in 2018. Notably, China’s Wuhan University — in addition to its partnership with Duke — also includes a multi-lab Institute of Medical Virology that has worked closely with the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases since the 1980s. The USAMRIID facility in the U.S. was shut down last July for failures to abide by biosafety and proper waste disposal procedures, but was allowed to partially resume some experiments late last November.
CEPI — is a partnership of public, private, philanthropic and civil organizations that finance and co-ordinate the development of vaccines against high priority public health threats. It was founded in 2017 by the governments of Norway and India along with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
CEPI’s recently announced that it would fund two pharmaceutical companies — Inovio Pharmaceuticals and Moderna Inc. The two pharmaceutical companies chosen have close ties to and/or strategic partnerships with DARPA and are developing vaccines that involve genetic material and/or gene editing.
The top funders of Inovio Pharmaceuticals include both DARPA and the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) and the company has received millions in dollars in grants from DARPA, including a $45 million grant to develop a vaccine for Ebola. Inovio specializes in the creation of DNA immunotherapies and DNA vaccines, which contain genetically engineered DNA that causes the cells of the recipient to produce an antigen and can permanently alter a person’s DNA.
Inovio Pharmaceuticals has direct access to the Chinese pharmaceutical market through its partnership with China’s ApolloBio Corp., which currently has an exclusive license to sell Inovio-made DNA immunotherapy products to Chinese customers.
The second pharmaceutical company selected by CEPI to develop a vaccine for the new coronavirus is Moderna Inc., which will develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus of concern in collaboration with the U.S. NIH and which will be funded entirely by CEPI. The vaccine in question, as opposed to Inovio’s DNA vaccine, will be a messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine.
Moderna’s mRNA treatments, including its mRNA vaccines, were developed using a $25 million grant from DARPA.
DARPA and the Pentagon’s past history with bioweapons and their more recent experiments on genetic alteration and extinction technologies as well as bats and coronaviruses in proximity to China have been left out of the narrative, despite the information being publicly available. As have the direct ties of both the USAMRIID and DARPA-partnered Duke University to the city of Wuhan, including its Institute of Medical Virology.
Dare I mention as well the Military World Games hosted by Wuhan in October which coincidentally or not kicked off a Global Pandemic that may very well be bring on changes of the same magnitude as events 18 years earlier (that included Anthrax attacks 18 years and 1 month to the day)
And then we have those curious Pandemic Bonds and likely hedges against them (I wonder which hedge fund bet the right way) Reminds me of puts on American Airlines and UA in 2001, and Goldmans hedge fund betting against MBS in the housing crash in 2008.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 29 2020 2:01 utc | 181

Vk@180
Read closer. The lab who released it was shut down a day after releasing it. China could have been released it much earlier and from the articles it appears China was trying to muzzle scientists. After the release China had no choice but to officially release the sequences. Also, there is some speculation they are withholding newer sequences making it difficult to track the evolution of the virus mutations within China . Whether this is just more fake wrestling I don’t know.
Obviously, the motive is being first to get a vaccine patented. Lots of money at stake.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 29 2020 2:09 utc | 182

Our German Comrade seem to have decided the Barbarossa 2.0 might not work out …“Defender-Europe 20” must be stopped immediately. Even without the appearance of the virus, this exercise is irresponsible and violates the principles of Germany peace policy. Now there is the risk of the epidemic spreading.
theduran.com
Bundestag called to suspend Defender-Europe 20
right…

Posted by: Walter | Feb 29 2020 2:20 utc | 183

Assuming the death rates by age group are in the right ballpark, this will be a boon to underfunded social insurance programs the world over.
I don’t necessarily believe the reduction in infections in China (there is less scrutiny now that it has spread everywhere) but I do believe most countries (including the US) will be proven less able/willing to slow down the disease than the Chinese.

Posted by: s | Feb 29 2020 2:37 utc | 184

My career was in manufacturing. Supply Chains aim to hold no inventory. It is just in time. I can not even begin to imagine all the purchasing issues within supply chains if there are disruptions in production for any length of time in many many countries. It will be the test of a lifetime.

Posted by: Linda Amick | Feb 29 2020 2:37 utc | 185

aspnaz | Feb 29 2020 2:50 utc | 187
Total fucking tosh. There was no way any nation state could completely stop the spread of a disease as infectious as COVID-19 is but despite that, it is amazing that China slowed down its domestic spread so rapidly especially given the time of year (lunar new year the traditional Chinese festival time).
But the horse has bolted and within a few short months even drongos will be forced to conclude that the Chinese model of social co-operation where the vast majority of the nation willingly elected to isolate for weeks, is a far more effective way of controlling the spread than western profit driven models featuring greedy xtian god-botherers claiming to have some sort of divine prevention cum cure available for a mere $300. If you study the fine print assiduously enough you will learn that the silver ‘cure’ may not kill the virus but it will probably give you cancer as it is a known carcinogen. The latter info only provided thanks to california commies whose state law insists upon it.
This snake oil is being sold by sleazy Jim Bakker, the designated bible basher to orange moron.
There is no available test for covid 19 in amerika because NIH is arguing with big pharma over how much should be charged for what is an essential public service. I was just reading this am that Aotearoa has just had its first confirmed case – a particularly greedy whitefella who isn’t even a citizen, but who started feeling poorly on a bizness trip to Iran, so he jumped on a crowded jet and flew to family settled in Aotearoa.
It took three attempts before the pcr test showed positive (the hospital lab techs were new to ID’ing this particular tiny monster) but no one worried about the cost.
The idjit ,his family, the jet’s cabin crew and all who were seated around him on the plane have been put in hospital in isolation for at least 14 days. No one will cop a bill – unlike amerika, because doing that is a stupid way to control the spread of a disease. Oh and flights from Iran are no longer available to anyone but returning citizens.

Posted by: A User | Feb 29 2020 3:43 utc | 186

Chinese communist party numbers can’t be trusted. The South Korean data shows how infectious this virus is and the extent of exposure in China is orders of magnitude higher.

Posted by: ab initio | Feb 29 2020 3:49 utc | 187

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Given that there is no discernible physiological way of determining race, does the poisonous Unz explain how it is a virus can save whitefellas whist killing unwhitefellas?
But more importantly where is the evidence that no whitefellas have karked it? The reality that Iranians are ‘Caucasian’, therefore whitefellas, and two of them have died is skipped past by some typically slimy racist nonsense about ‘victimhood’ which like ‘political correctness’, hasn’t been used by anyone on the left since the late 1970’s when it was used ironically for a short time.
The fact is that at least two whitefellas have been killed by Covid-19 and it is only by redefining the definition of ‘whitefella’ Unz can assert this nonsense. Once amerika’s ‘the rich take all, the unrich take a fall’ inhumane mentality is brought into play, numbers of whitefella covoid-19 fatalities will hugely exceed deaths in most other ‘races’ (whatever the fuck a race even is).

Posted by: A User | Feb 29 2020 6:02 utc | 189

@ Posted by: blues | Feb 29 2020 5:07 utc | 190 with the UNZ link….thanks
Humanity is in a civilization war and one side stands to lose centuries of social belief of the faith based narrative about control of finance (public/private), ability to manipulate national and international governments/populace and the ability to suppress all dissent with use or shows of power and military force.
The evidence provided in the linked article supports the bioweapon scenario about the virus origination. I commented on an earlier associated thread that I thought empire was behind the virus and still keep looking for other evidence of such.
What continues to puzzle me is the perfect excuse this virus is for crashing the world economy, which is under way. When they can’t use nukes, the entitled resort to equally horrible alternatives currently available….reading about the reinfection capability seasonally and in successive years…..sigh….I hope it is not true.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 29 2020 6:10 utc | 190

People can get as excited and/or opinionated as they will. All of that excitement and/or opinion doesn’t change the available evidence here. I am simply offering evidence, nothing more.
What is this professor trying to tell us? (YouTube. 35 min. total time)
Coronavirus and HIV research paper review by Dr. Paul Cottrell

Posted by: blues | Feb 29 2020 6:24 utc | 191

@7 DFC
I have a Feles One for Bio-Imagineering on order, it was supposed to arrive in November, but was delayed and now delayed again as ironically many of the parts are made in China.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 29 2020 9:42 utc | 192

@17 Antoinetta
I would not trust something that old, plus I doubt there are spare filters for it available, check out Weaponsandstuff93 he has a lot of good information.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 29 2020 9:57 utc | 193

I would recommend watching Dr. John Campbell for daily updates on the COVID-19 disease / SARS-COV-2 virus.

Posted by: TJ | Feb 29 2020 10:04 utc | 194

Posted by: blues | Feb 29 2020 6:24 utc | 193
Very good discussions on the good doctor’s channels.

Coronavirus and interview with Dr. Campbell by Dr. Paul Cottrell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LpaYKNkOmc
Posted by: TJ | Feb 29 2020 10:04 utc | 196
Very good.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Feb 29 2020 10:58 utc | 195

Posted by: blues | Feb 29 2020 5:07 utc | 190
Oh my. Ever noticed that “white” people ie USians, Europeans have a better standard of living? Better health care systems?
Virusses kill you when your immune system is run down and your body is weak. You can run your immune system down via stress, malnutrition, you name it.
And yes, there is a gender difference – always has been. Male immune systems are tuned to weak response while female immune systems verge on being overactive. Imagine the ways two – or more – people’s in close relationships exchange proteins, virusses and bacteria and you understand why.
There is a gender difference in cancer, HIV – more male – and autoimmune diseases – more female. So when a weak immune system is a risk, men will be more affected.
As this is now sure to become a pandemic it would be interesting to see what Cuba is doing just now. They are likely the only “brown” country to think about protection.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 29 2020 11:18 utc | 196

I have gene called HLA-B27 that has caused me some greif health wise. I researched in some time ago so this is off memory.
Occurs mostly in caucasians. Not all with the gene get the conditions associated with it. Very few caucasians that do not have the gene are affected by the conditions. From memory Asians dont have the gene and are not affected by the associated conditions.
Black africans do not have the gene but can be affected by some of the conditions.
Something to think on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 11:32 utc | 197

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 11:32 utc | 199
Viruses tend to be equal opportunity. Your body’s immune response – the ability to fight it off – may be compromised or enhanced by genes – and hormones.
But all in all – human and animal bodies are more about integration, coexistance and learning to live together.
see – human virome

The human virome is the total collection of viruses in and on the human body.[3][4][5] Viruses in the human body may infect both human cells and other microbes such as bacteria (as with bacteriophages).[6] Some viruses cause disease, while others may be asymptomatic. Certain viruses are also integrated into the human genome as proviruses or endogenous viral elements.[3]
Viruses evolve rapidly and hence the human virome changes constantly.[7] Every human being has a unique virome with a unique balance of species.[4][8] Lifestyle, age, geographic location, and even the season of the year can affect an individual’s exposure to viruses, and one’s susceptibility to any disease that might be caused by those viruses is also affected by pre-existing immunity and both viral and human genetics.[9]
The human virome is far from being completely explored and new viruses are discovered frequently. Unlike the roughly 40 trillion bacteria in a typical human microbiome,[10] an estimate of the number of viral particles in a healthy adult human is not yet available, although virions generally outnumber individual bacteria 10:1 in nature.[citation needed] Studying the virome is thought to provide an understanding of microbes in general and how they affect human health and disease.

A body is healthy when it can avoid the fight against bacteria and viruses as any unspecific immune response does not only hurt viruses and bacteria but body tissues, too. What we define as “ill” is the battle field.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 29 2020 12:08 utc | 198

somebody
The gene has to do with the immune system.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 29 2020 12:29 utc | 199

You know it just occurred to me that a lot of our plutocratic elites are old and sick, just the target demographic for this New Flu. Not to mention all the sick boomers, and our profit-oriented “health-care” system.
Is that schadenfreude or chickens-coming-home-to-roost? Seems like it ought to be up to the job of bringing down Trump, among other things.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 29 2020 12:34 utc | 200