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February 1, 2020
Novel Coronavirus Defies Conspiracy Theories As Data Shows Its Coming Decline

There are first signs that the novel Cornoavirus  (nCoV19) epidemic will come to an end within a month or so. An analysis from the Chinese media house Caixin provides the newest numbers (machine translated):

[O]n January 31, 2020, 2102 new cases of new coronavirus were diagnosed nationwide, 46 deaths were added, and 5019 suspected cases were added which increased by 6.1%, 7.0%, and 4.3% respectively compared with the previous day, and increased by 21.8%, 29.0%, and 23.3% respectively compared with the average of the previous three days.

There are some 12.000 recognized infected persons in total. More than 99.9% of all nCoV19 cases are in China. The growth per day is still strong but not exponential. With people now traveling less from, to and within China the epidemic will likely stay contained.

We had documented in an earlier post that neither the infectiousness nor the mortality of the novel Cornoavirus are especially severe. This New York Times graphic also explains that.


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More from Caixin (machine translated):

As of January 31, the cumulative number of severe cases accounted for 15.8% of the confirmed cases, and the mortality rate (accumulated death cases accounted for the cumulative confirmed cases) has remained at the level of 2.2% for 3 consecutive days.

Both numbers are relatively low and here are the first signs that the epidemic is coming to a halt:

The current situation of the new coronavirus epidemic situation is still serious, the epidemic situation is still spreading and spreading throughout the country, and the number of newly diagnosed cases has increased. At the same time, the growth rate of confirmed cases nationwide has also shown signs of decline. The number of newly cured cases on the 30th and 31st days exceeded the number of new deaths.

The declining growth rate proves that the quite extreme quarantine measure China has taken are very effective.

New test kits for the novel coronavirus have been developed and were approved by the Chinese regulator NMPA (vid). These new kits allow new patients to be tested in just 30 minutes. People who have a normal flu can now be early on distinguished from those who have caught the virus.

The graph of new suspected cases per day (yellow) is flattening while the number of newly confirmed cases per day (red) is now linear and starts to show a slight decrease.


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Unless something unforeseen happens we are now coming near to the top of the epidemic. The number of new infections per day may soon start to decrease.

All this is good news. The Global Times is already pushing for new economic measures to increase growth when the epidemic is over.

But there is also bad news in that some people use the epidemic to profit from it.

There have been a number of conspiracy stories which make totally unfounded claims that the virus is a bio weapon or that it escaped from a high security bio lab in Wuhan or was intentionally created or released by Chinese researchers. To use such fantasies to then dox a researcher is irresponsible.

The novel coronavirus is NOT a bioweapon. No military will develop a weapon that kills only 2% of those affected by it. A real bio weapon would also spread much faster.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory are first class medical research institutions with many global cooperation agreements. The laboratory was built after China had been hit by the SARS epidemic. It is the only one in China that has a Bio Safety Level of 4:

BSL-4 labs are rare. However some do exist in a small number of places in the US and around the world. As the highest level of biological safety, a BSL-4 lab consists of work with highly dangerous and exotic microbes. Infections caused by these types of microbes are frequently fatal, and come without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of such microbes include Ebola and Marburg viruses.

In addition to BSL-3 considerations, BSL-4 laboratories have the following containment requirements:

  • Personnel are required to change clothing before entering, shower upon exiting
  • Decontamination of all materials before exiting
  • Personnel must wear appropriate personal protective equipment from prior BSL levels, as well as a full body, air-supplied, positive pressure suit
  • A Class III biological safety cabinet

A BSL-4 laboratory is extremely isolated—often located in a separate building or in an isolated and restricted zone of the building. The laboratory also features a dedicated supply and exhaust air, as well as vacuum lines and decontamination systems.

The U.S. has at least 13 such labs. Some of those are used by the military and may be used for bio weapon research. But most are medical research facilities.

The laboratory in Wuhan is specialized on viruses that are typical for the larger area. Some of its leaders are researching why bats are not affected by the viruses that they carry and which can kill people. SARS is known to have emerged from bats. Knowing how a bat's protection mechanism works could help to create better vaccines.

To jump from those facts to unfounded speculations and to accusing the researchers of having developed the nCoV19 or of spreading it is truly nefarious.

Aside from conspiracy nutters there is one serious suggestion that the novel coronavirus may indeed be something special.

A number of Indian researchers have self-published a paper that claims that the 'building plan' of the novel coronavirus, its RNA, contains elements of the HIV-1 Aids virus RNA. The paper was NOT peer reviewed and two researchers in microbiology I have contacted have, like me, doubts about its conclusions.

The paper confirms that the novel coronavirus is related to the virus that caused the SARS epidemic:

Our phylogentic tree of full-length coronaviruses suggests that 2019-nCoV is closely related to SARS CoV [Fig 1]. In addition, other recent studies have linked the 2019-nCoV to SARS CoV.

The researchers then sequenced 6 strings which form a part of the RNA of the novel corona virus. They find that there are four short insertions that distinguish it from the SARS virus:

We then translated the aligned genome and found that these inserts are present in all Wuhan 2019-nCoV viruses except the 2019-nCoV virus of Bat as a host [Fig.S4]. Intrigued by the 4 highly conserved inserts unique to 2019-nCoV we wanted to understand their origin. For this purpose, we used the 2019-nCoV local alignment with each insert as query against all virus genomes and considered hits with 100% sequence coverage. Surprisingly, each of the four inserts aligned with short segments of the Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1) proteins.

The inserts in the 1387 units long string which also occur in HIV-1 have a length of 6 to 8. They are in my estimate too few and too short to make a statistically viable case. But the researchers suggest, without providing a statistical model or calculations, that these are not only significant but probably artificial:

Although, the 4 inserts represent discontiguous short stretches of amino acids in spike glycoprotein of 2019-nCoV, the fact that all three of them share amino acid identity or similarity with HIV-1 gp120 and HIV-1 Gag (among all annotated virus proteins) suggests that this is not a random fortuitous finding. In other words, one may sporadically expect a fortuitous match for a stretch of 6-12 contiguous amino acid residues in an unrelated protein. However, it is unlikely that all 4 inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein fortuitously match with 2 key structural proteins of an unrelated virus (HIV-1).

The math that would support the assertion that it is unlikely that short sequences in parts of nConV19 and HIV-1 amino acid strings are identical is not in the paper. I doubt that the researchers made the necessary calculations.

The researchers then show that the insertions may help to form a part of the binding structure that allows the virus to attach to a host cell. They conclude:

This uncanny similarity of novel inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag is unlikely to be fortuitous.

and

Taken together, our findings suggest unconventional evolution of 2019-nCoV that warrants further investigation.

What those researchers found is interesting. It suggests that something modified the SARS virus RNA by adding four small elements from HIV-1 to create nCoV19. If this is proven correct it might help to find a vaccine against nCoV19.

But the conclusions are in my view too strong and not substantiated enough to make them fully acceptable. While the similarities may not be 'fortuitous' they may make evolutionary sense and may have evolved through some natural process which is not 'unconventional'. If a host (a bat or human) carries the HIV-1 virus and the SARS virus might the replications of those viruses mix?

The presented paper nowhere tests or discusses that hypothesis.

The authors may well deserve more research money for the 'warranted further investigations' but that should be decided only after other experts have discussed their proposition.

Comments

“No military will develop a weapon that kills only 2% of those affected by it. A real bio weapon would also spread much faster.”
Real airliners would not fly themselves into the ground against the pilot’s wishes. Real missile defense systems would be able to intercept the world’s cheapest cruise missiles that are manufactured by workers in worn-out sandals. Real assault rifles are not super-expensive and do not reliably jam with the slightest trace of dust in the receiver. Real aircraft carriers have working elevators to move aircraft from the hangars to the flight deck. Real value comes out of a factory or farm, not a banker’s ledger.
But the empire doesn’t think so highly of real things anymore. Delusion and fantasy are so much more satisfying.
I am interested in knowing what our host’s explanation is for how America’s genetic engineers building bio-weapons would be skilled and capable when America’s contemporary domestic talent in other engineering endeavors do not exhibit these abilities. From what I can see the novel coronavirus is functioning as well as any American weapon system.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 2 2020 11:21 utc | 101

I think if you found one section of 6 to 8 units out of 1300, such an event would be more likely than not to be non-random, especially as there are several DNA base pairs to an amino acid unit, but 4 independent sections is pretty obviously a special case event, as somebody has calculated above.
The fact that the sections are all found in another known virus which has never had any link to previous Flu or SARS is also significant.
If true, and it would seem easy to confirm (why hasnt it?)
then the next question is why, how and maybe who?
Virus´s can sometimes uptake genetic material from their host. e.g. Rous Sarcoma Virus (RSV)has been shown to acquire onco-genes from chickens, so it is not impossible but if the Indians are correct, all the 4 sections, when expressed as the protein, do fold within the Quaternary structure to end up close together to form a receptor binding site. That seems beyond the control of a virus and makes the event even more non-random.
The point about it not being an effective Bio-weapon is taken but if true, there seems a very strong probability that these changes, (If corroborated) would involve some human meddling, in a lab, or some reason or other.

Posted by: intp1 | Feb 2 2020 11:30 utc | 102

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag
https://biorxiv-cache.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2020.01.30.927871.full.pdf
To those who try to debunk above claim by the Indians:
The 4 insertions “one by one” have resemblance with a variety of organisms not just HIV but what are the chances of a combination of those 4 insertions to resemble HIV? Pretty low, that means this is an artificially created HIV pseudotyping virus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudotyping
Coronavirus and Q&A from viewers by Dr. Paul Cottrell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeR9i4BNTTY
Scientists: Asians at much higher risk due to ACE2 cells
“This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area”:
https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1222635075046649856
Bats, Gene Editing and Bioweapons: Recent DARPA Experiments Raise Concerns Amid Coronavirus Outbreak
https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/76139/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus.html

Posted by: dave | Feb 2 2020 11:31 utc | 103

Chimeric virus – “Combining two pathogenic viruses increases the lethality of the new virus”.
To maximize mobility, the weapon should minimize mortality at first. It will look deceptively innocuous for most of its life. But mortality will rise drastically at the end. The average virologist could be baffled by its behavior because it violates a well-known model Right now, the Wu Flu’s rate is reported as 3%, 15% or 55% mortality rate, depending on when its measured and who is measuring it.
If this is a chimeric virus, I’d expect the final rate to be closer to 55% than 3%.
source: https://broward.ghost.io/2020/01/26/binary-virus-conjectures/

Posted by: dave | Feb 2 2020 11:37 utc | 104

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 2 2020 2:36 utc | 65
There is research on it – obviously it is dual use.

Even proper use of the technology often involves the genetic engineering of biological pathogens, research that could very easily be weaponized. Says Millett, “If you’re deliberately trying to create a pathogen that is deadly, spreads easily, and that we don’t have appropriate public health measures to mitigate, then that thing you create is amongst the most dangerous things on the planet.”

So if an experimental bat escaped from the Wuhan laboratory or not, you have to wonder why these animal diseases jumping to human infections start from China – or Africa. Eating wild animals presumably has a role in it.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 2 2020 11:40 utc | 105

China shared the Coronavirus genome with a number of countries.
Australian scientists is reported the first have replicated the virus outside China

Sydney: Scientists in Australia have successfully replicated the deadly Wuhan coronavirus, in what they said would be a “game changer” in the fight against a deadly epidemic which has stricken thousands.
The Doherty Institute in Melbourne announced Wednesday that it had grown the novel coronavirus in cell culture from a patient sample, the first time the virus has been replicated outside China.
“Having the real virus means we now have the ability to actually validate and verify all test methods, and compare their sensitivities and specificities,” virus identification laboratory head Julian Druce said.[.]

FWIW
the Journal Nature Link

[.]Researchers have shared dozens of genetic sequences from strains of the new coronavirus, and a steady supply of those sequences will reveal genetic changes as the outbreak progresses, says MacKay. “Viruses don’t change behaviour unless they change sequence, and we need to see constant or consistent virus change,” he says.[.]
There is currently no effective drugs against the virus. Two HIV drugs thought to target a protein that helps coronaviruses to replicate are being tested as a treatment. Scientists have also identified other existing medications that target this function, and several international research groups are working on a vaccine.
The number of deaths will also depend on how China’s health system copes with the high number of cases. Putting people on drips and ventilators can ensure that they get enough fluids and oxygen while their body’s immune system fights the virus. China is building two new hospitals in Wuhan to accommodate the people infected, but if the virus spreads to parts of the world with fewer resources[.]

Virus-Bashing China…..let’s give some credits –
one of those two hospitals, a 1,000 bed complex was built in less than two weeks, ” a marvel of engineering ” – it begins operations on Monday, feb.03.2020: Here is how.

China’s first 1,000-bed hospital to treat coronavirus patients built within DAYS (VIDEO)
A hospital built specifically to treat those infected with coronavirus is set to open in Wuhan, China. Astonishingly, the large medical facility was constructed in less than two weeks.
The 25,000-square-meter Huoshenshan Hospital, one of two new facilities commissioned in response to the coronavirus outbreak, is scheduled to begin operations on Monday.-[.]

some countries, who shall remain unnamed, have just 3 friends. China counts over one hundred.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 2 2020 12:00 utc | 106

I thought at first about a bioweapon, and to this hour, nobody has convinced me otherwise. We have a new out break of Avian flu H1N1, also in China, too much to be a coincidence…
It was everything too timely with the trade deal “negotiations” phase I ( can anyone imagine how could be negotiating with people who are trying to kill you anytime you turn on yourself…), then once the outbreak happened, Pompeo declaring China as “the main danger for the world”, and this week-end, when the Chinese seem to start having everything under control, the press psy-op disinformation operation by the “ultr-right” press, and the mothership, NATO press….
Libertad Digital ( outlet of Spanish far-right ), titles its piece “The Communism virus”
https://twitter.com/berlinConfid/status/1223913566459375619
Then, “Voice of NATO”, aka, Der Spiegel, throws it all with a full frontal page with huge “Made in China” in red characteres, featuring a Chinese totally covered in red cap and gas mask.. but including an anacronic element… an Apple phone ( the wink to their masters )….
https://twitter.com/berlinConfid/status/1223903462670336001
To me it is all clear, the socialist ideas are in the rise, especially in the US with Sanders leading the polls of the DNC after Trump has demonstrated going further the limits of scoundrelism for Earth planet standards. Then it is France, with all sectors of the working class, including the middle class, in the streets refusing to work until something changes. Then last victory of the left in Emilia-Romagna defeating populist far-right reinforcing the center-left central government in Italy but with a warning in order to make changes or else. Then coalition of the left ( although with impostors inside…)goverhning in Spain. Portugal with another coalition of the left at the helms…Well, this is a tendence, and it is registers in the polls world wide, including the US and Russia, hecne the “reforms” which have been proposed there too…
Well, no wonder UK decided to become an island, no go to get “infected”…in fact, the Brexit issue was the cause of the debacle of the left there, since we all could see how the rexit Party just dissapeared in the last elections ( the peopple after alll are not iditos and start feeling tired of so many scoundrels…)
Thus, they need to put a stop to this tendence, and this has been always through killing the people, since you just can not torture so many people, and, moreover, the resistant people has started to shot the planes where the torturers come…
Since throwing shit on the way the Chinese work is impossible, as they already live amongst us and we can test how hard they work, and the sanctions do not work either, they have recurred to the middle ages style on cathegorizing them as “infested”, so as to try to isolate them and put a stop to their OBOR project which, obviously, will not be trading things, but also culture… and ideas…

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 12:33 utc | 107

Yes, this virus seems too sophisticated to be born by spontanous generation in a fish market…

Elena Evdokimova
@elenaevdokimov7
Hmmm…
James Lyons-Weiler, PhD:
“RECOMBINATION technology: Unlike other related coronaviruses, the 2019-nCoV virus has a unique sequence about 1,378 bp (nucleotide base pairs) long that is not found in related coronaviruses”
Qui Bono- not China

https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1223777770037055488

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 13:16 utc | 108

to Bubbles # 68.. Kyle Bass has been shorting the chinese currency for what? a decade. Maybe he finally sees a way out of his trade.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Feb 2 2020 13:23 utc | 109

The Global Times and TASS reported that China has sequenced 2019 nCoV and immediately shared it with: Russia. No one else.
I don’t believe this is the end of this. Pepe Escobar can run all the ‘China is awesome and nailed it’ fan boy pieces he wants. He, and others, claim the Chinese media has been very forthcoming and the Western MSM has misrepresented them as being opaque.
My impression is the Chinese worked very hard to get this under control and that Western media did their best to throw sh@t but they do that all the time.
I’m waiting to see what comes out in the long-run. I’m sure that the Chinese and Russian sciences will evaluate and publish their findings.
I don’t buy that this wasn’t a bio-weapon. I will wait for proof it isn’t a bio-weapon rather than saying someones claim isn’t peer reviewed. That is total bs. It may just be too early to decide.

Posted by: dorje | Feb 2 2020 13:43 utc | 110

A commenter at The Saker points also to an interesting pattern here

The pandemic also creates and odd January Surprise pattern of a Eurasian nation own-goaling itself; China fumbles a pandemic, Iran shoots down a civilian air liner.

A Eurasian nation, I would add, at war with the US…..

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 13:51 utc | 111

Greetings, Likklemore @3. “Rubbish on John Doe?” The Bat Virus researcher at the Lab in Wuhan was NOT doxxed. His contact info was copied directly off the Wuhan Lab’s main website. Note, I’m not a Trump fan, and not a Durden fan. Including (I assume) the esteemed editor of this site, how many folks here are actually speaking with people on the ground in Wuhan and China?

Posted by: ERing46Z | Feb 2 2020 13:59 utc | 112

@ dorjee 110
The Global Times and TASS reported that China has sequenced 2019 nCoV and immediately shared it with: Russia. No one else.
No one else? An example; see added emphasis. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200131114748.htm
Whole genome of the Wuhan coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, sequenced

January 31, 2020
Source: Institut Pasteur, France
The virus was sequenced at the Institut Pasteur’s Mutualized Platform for Microbiology (P2M), which performs genome sequencing on bacterial, viral, fungal and parasite strains received by National Reference Centers and World Health Organization Collaborating Centers for the purpose of infectious disease surveillance.[.]
Over the weekend of January 11-12, the Chinese authorities shared the full sequence of the coronavirus genome, as detected in samples taken from the first patients. “Sequencing the genome of pathogens is crucial for the development of specific diagnostic tests and the identification of potential treatment options,” explains Sylvie van der Werf, Director of the National Reference Center (CNR) for Respiratory Viruses at the Institut Pasteur.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 2 2020 14:00 utc | 113

Amazing to see folks admit to sneaking over to Zerohedge for doom porn titillation, despite all the virtue signaling.
I’m heading right over too, after I get some hardcore doom porn from The Burning Platform.

Posted by: Morongobill | Feb 2 2020 14:03 utc | 114

dorje @110
Stop being silly. The Chinese posted the nucleotide sequence online as soon as they sequenced it. A poster here, lulu, included a link to it days ago. Tens of thousands of people are analyzing it right now all around the world.
As well, you cannot ever supply proof that it isn’t a bio-weapon. Demanding proof of a negative is a logical fallacy. As well, even the inclusion of HIV nucleotide sequences in the virus isn’t absolute proof that the virus was manufactured since there is a non-zero (though extremely small) probability that random mutation could result in the same sequences.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 2 2020 14:07 utc | 115

From what I can see the novel coronavirus is functioning as well as any American weapon system.
William Gruff
Thank you. That was my morning chuckle. It made me think of Patriots.
This 2019 nCov will render China recessional for a few quarters or more. It is the perfect judas goat for Trump to deflect any criticism on the economic front. He is golden on that now. It is all so perfect.
Another poster suggested that in different words. Also, someone suggested that maybe this virus was meant to cause a bit of havoc not total mayhem and the Apocalypse.
I was immediately suspicious because it happened right before Chinese New Year.
We don’t know yet. We may never know. I’m sure China does need to implement better practices in agriculture. But, Pomparse called China the biggest threat recently. Translation: the growth of China and the BRI threaten to unify Eurasia into a trading network that Europe will inevitably join and America will have no one to trade with except the Western Hemisphere which it has, to a large extent, treated with contempt for over a century.
Rather than learn to play nice and use diplomacy, DC likes to throw sh@tbombs and Trump backed Pomparse and Esper. He really got jammed and I actually feel badly for him. But, long run, China will buy Iranian oil and gas as will India and others.
It always amazes me. Free trade and democracy so easily turns into ‘buy my stuff not his’ and ‘yeah, you guys elected the wrong leader’.
The world is tired of this behavior. It has become normal to question America’s motives.

Posted by: dorje | Feb 2 2020 14:23 utc | 116

Mistake.
I was unaware the virus sequence was everywhere. I missed the editorial bias of those two articles that left me with a certain impression.
I agree that it is possible that this virus may never be identified as a bio-weapon. The timing, to me, is suspicious. Suspicion isn’t proof. I am well aware of that.
Good will comes in handy not only in business but in international relations. Running low is a problem. Running out is a whole new problem.

Posted by: dorje | Feb 2 2020 14:30 utc | 117

There are many possibilities, one of which is that this virus with such a low mortality rate is simply a “test” of China’s capabilities to respond to a bio-weapon attack – this could be a “planned” test by Chinese authorities, or a “test” conducted by the U.S. military to evaluate China’s defenses. I’m not suggesting that either of these scenarios “is” in fact the case, simply that surface explanations aren’t the ‘only’ possible or only plausible explanations – particularly given the U.S. destabilization program aimed at China.

Posted by: Gary Weglarz | Feb 2 2020 14:45 utc | 118

Concerning poisonous foods, it reminds me a mushroom that grows in huge quantities on lawns in my area for a short period in Fall. In a mushroom guide ink cap is edible, in my homeland, not: it causes vomiting if you also digested alcohol.
Now, investigating bats and viruses, Editing a mammalian cell line cannot produce a new line of organisms. It is a very common step in biological research because we cannot predict interactions of proteins in living cells (at least, not well enough). Thus genes are deleted, or inserted in a way that persistently makes proteins, or various sites are “tweeked”. In any larger biomedical lab a large share of people are doing that. Now, suppose that one in hundred workers is a cashier, and here is a work place with five out of ten workers being cashiers! Finding “gene recombinators” in a bio lab is similarly unsuspicious. Mind you, editing a mammal is not a way to create a new organism, least of all, a virus.
Another puzzling coincidence: a viral spread of social media messages on viruses.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 2 2020 14:59 utc | 119

ZH is at the forefront of China bashing. It made nefarious use of the (still) relatively free access of identities in academia and asked its increasingly neocon followership to harass that man. It was doxxing, plain and simple. It was one of the most disgusting things I would only expect from the woke and militaristic left. I say this as a long time ZH reader and commenter (> 9 ys).

Posted by: Giovanni | Feb 2 2020 15:02 utc | 120

editing a mammal is not a way to create a new organism <-- sorry, in general, you can. But this is very complicated, and the result will not be a virus. .

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 2 2020 15:06 utc | 121

dorje @ 118
Thank you. No worries. Every week I do my bucket share of mistakes.
Politicians malign each other and countries they paint as adversaries but for scientists there are only colleagues who share knowledge. Disease has no boundaries or passports.
China is in the forefront of technology [5G] and Clinical Research. Check peer-reviewed Journals PubMed, at National Library of Medicine, D.C.
Not known perhaps, there is this:
Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data. {GISAID} collaborates with G20 Health Ministers
Enabling Rapid and Open Access to Influenza Virus Data

The GISAID Initiative promotes the international sharing of all influenza virus sequences, related clinical and epidemiological data associated with human viruses, and geographical as well as species-specific data associated with avian and other animal viruses, to help researchers understand how the viruses evolve, spread and potentially become pandemics.
GISAID does so by overcoming disincentives/hurdles or restrictions, which discourage or prevented sharing of influenza data prior to formal publication.

Interesting. While the West spent Trillions on hounding, arresting users of marijuana and hemp (cannabis) 10 years ago China held 906 patents on method of use to treat xxxx. Today, CBD products are being sold at gas stations, grocery stores in those states which have decriminalize its use. Vermont leads.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 2 2020 15:13 utc | 122

I have been updating under b’s previous post about novel coronavirus (with live update website with maps, charts, data from China’s NHC and some on-the-ground situations/measures.)
Now will continue the latest update about 2019-nCoV under this post.
Total nation-wide accumulated statistics till 2020-02-02 14:12(Beijing Time):
14,489 confirmed, of which 9,074 in Hubei province (4,109 in Wuhan)
304 deaths, of which 249 in Hubei (224 in Wuhan)
420 recovered/cured, of which 267 in Hubei (175 in Wuhan)
19,544 suspected cases
Hubei province (incl. Wuhan) account for about:
63% of the total confirmed cases <--- Meaning wide spread to other parts of China; - 82% of the deaths <--- Inadequate early diagnosis, lack of better treatment in the initial stage and medical resources (hospital beds, medical staff & suppliers, etc.) - 64% of the recovered/cured <--- Now early diagnosis and better treatment readily available help to recover newly infected patients in the other parts of China. <--- Good news: The second day that the number of recovered/cured cases overtakes that of the deaths by 116. Yesterday the number was only 10. It seems more patients are going to be released from the hospitals in coming days.
—> Huanggang (population: 7.5 million), neighbouring Wuhan (80 kilometer/50 miles), is the second city that has over 1,000 infected patients:
1,002 confirmed
15 deaths
27 recovered/cured
The reason why Huanggang is the secondly severely nCoV infected area @284:
– 14% of 5 million people out of Wuhan i.e 700,000 people went back to Huanggang;
– Overwhelmed hospitals;
– Inadequate test capacity. <---Now its test capacity has dramatically increased, hence the surge of newly increase of confirmed cases in Huangggang (yesterday there was 736 confirmed cases).
<--- I think Xiaogan, also neighbouring Wuhan, will probably be the next city in Hubei to break the 1,000 mark in coming days. It now has 749 confirmed cases, 14 deaths, 2 recovered/cured.)
—>China tightens preventive anti-epidemic measures for returning travelers
Called relatives in China, they are now getting constant calls from the community workers to check whether they have fever or come into close contacts with people from Wuhan, and also get SMS messages from health authorities to remind them stay at home, wear mouth/face masks and avoid social gatherings.
Here are some creative ways with drones to remind people to wear mouth/face masks and stay at home.

Posted by: lulu | Feb 2 2020 15:28 utc | 123

Bio weapons don’t necessarily kill people. The United States has used bio weapons against Cuban agriculture. The screw worm parasite that afflicted Libya and Iraq may have come from the United States.

Posted by: Edward | Feb 2 2020 15:59 utc | 124

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Posted by: Seema Sapra (@SeemaS | Feb 2 2020 16:03 utc | 125

Posted by: lulu | Feb 2 2020 15:28 utc | 123
Thanks again for continuing to provide numbers here.
I do want to mention to b that individual articles are not necessarily the best source of comprehensive data, which change by the hour. Also, please remember that Chinese provinces are each the population of an European country, so looking at the overall numbers for China as a whole also does not always give the clearest picture. Here is one fairly well-updated Chinese data map, with trend graphs for each province:
https://news.sina.cn/zt_d/yiqing0121
Another quick piece of the news is that the first of the hospitals being built in Wuhan, Huoshenshan Hospital, has already been handed over to the PLA:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-02/Military-medical-staff-to-treat-patients-in-Huoshenshan-Hospital-NKECxLtqxO/index.html
I expect that a lot of people in the West will be triggered by the word “military” (based on their own understanding), and there is going to be another swirl of conspiracy theories…

Posted by: Chinese American | Feb 2 2020 16:05 utc | 126

Viruses emerging from bats?
How about viruses emerging from butts?
Like Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Theresa May, Mike Pompeo, Nigel Farage?

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 2 2020 16:29 utc | 127

[[[They]]] have their wet dream realised now,
A Global Chinese Exclusion Act.
Chinese girl taunted ,
‘go back to China with your fucking virus’
Chinese teen assaulted,
Headline scream…
China kid stay home
People avoiding Chinese,
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/ZZ/news/20200201/fears-of-new-virus-trigger-anti-china-sentiment-worldwide
Guess what ?
We are the pariah of 21C.
I dont envy being a Chinese anywhere outside China now.
Guess lots of people would be pleased.
Been talking about [[[their]]] ‘Global Chinese Exclusive Act’ for a long time, an economic warfare to curb China’s growth, never figure that [[[their]]] aim is to quaranteene
the entire Chinese race.
Guess I underestimate [[[their]]] resourcefullness,
My bad,.
———————
Johnnie Carson, U.S. assistant secretary for African Affairs,
‘China is a “very aggressive and pernicious economic competitor with no morals.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/hidden-agenda-behind-americas-war-on-africa-containing-china-by-fighting-al-qaeda/5320939

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2020 16:59 utc | 128

Wouldnt be surprised the virus show up in Africa, some people die, mobs start attacking Chinese people and factories.
Hey presto,
Chinese outta Africa in a jiffy….
Without Africom lifting a finger,
or may be [[[they]]] merely drop some craps. ?
heheheheh

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2020 17:02 utc | 129

DNC Lockdown Pulls Rank – The Zimmer Frame Standoff
Nina Turner: DNC Naming Podesta To Convention Committee “A Slap In The Face,” Should Be Ashamed Of Itself
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/01/29/nina_turner_dnc_naming_podesta_to_convention_committee_a_slap_in_the_face_should_be_ashamed_of_itself.html
Is Hillary Clinton angling to become vice president?
BY DOUGLAS MACKINNON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/480523-is-hillary-clinton-angling-to-become-vice-president
Waiting for the staged “rollover”

Posted by: Jayne | Feb 2 2020 17:12 utc | 130

b

The novel coronavirus is NOT a bioweapon. No military will develop a weapon that kills only 2% of those affected by it. A real bio weapon would also spread much faster.

PNAC manifesto—-“…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.
May be they are being kind this time, merely quarantine an ‘aggressive, pernicious, amoral ‘ competitor.
[[[they]]] aint out to cull the Chinese…..yet. ?

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2020 17:15 utc | 131

Parisian Guy @89
I very much appreciate your response, but I don’t think it indicates the initial analysis is incorrect. Operating on the assumption this is an unusual “signature” of coding within the virus, if the data indicate it showed up from sources outside the seafood market, the assumption it evolved within the market is not sound. My understanding of those comments – from a virologist – indicate there were identified patients showing up early on that were not exposed to the market directly or indirectly. There is of course always doubt as to who was exposed or not exposed to what, in open environment. But I believe the virologist is pointing to likelihood based on reasonable assumptions.
john brewster @85
You are correct, my hasty analogy is not entirely on all fours with the Indian analysis. A proper analogy is actually more indicative of a unique and fabricated virus. I’m tied up but I will post something better in a few hours. In the meantime…the probability of a given amino acid showing up somewhere is one divided by the number of amino acids, more or less and barring any additional information. These are chains. The probability of any specific two in a row is now the probability of the one times the probability of another. These numbers get ridiculously small pretty fast. I didn’t even address the reality that the chains from the HIV-1 are not contiguous – the chains were cherry picked and then put together, one after another. That could happen at random. But we need to look at the probability, and then consider the question we are asking – is it more likely it happened at random, or that it was fabricated. We need to look at that in light of there being a level four lab right around the corner…just across the tracks.
I will take a look at codon redundancy as well and try to address that. But I caution readers that if one does not understand how probabilities interrelate (and the need to multiply them, with the obvious point being they’re all under 1.0), the rest is painting legs on a snake. The most important point is that if our minds are not open, not much will get into them. It would please me enormously to be wrong here, and all I’ve been doing is asking someone to provide something convincing in that regard. I’ve not yet seen that.

Posted by: Bruce | Feb 2 2020 17:29 utc | 132

Ever heard of ‘the family’ ?
Clinton and Pence are members of that ‘fellowship’
http://www.realliberalchristianchurch.org/2008/03/28/the-fellowship-the-family-doug-coe-hillary-clinton-et-al.html

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2020 17:33 utc | 133

Mike Pence and the ‘fellowship’
https://indianavote.blogspot.com/2012/01/mike-pence-and-c-street-cult-aka.html

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2020 17:40 utc | 134

john brewster @86
You have asked about codon redundancy and also noted the “the fact there are three “reading frames” for the DNA, which triples the number of ways the code can be interpreted during protein production, depending on the position of the “start codon”.”
First a little background for the readers:
“Because there are 64 possible combinations of four bases in three-nucleotide sequences, but (usually) only 20 amino acids that are translated, in order for most codons to be sense codons, that is, encoding an amino acid, then some of those amino acids must be specified by more than one codon.
Indeed, most amino acids are specified by more than one codon such that only three of the 64 total codons are nonsense codons, that is, which specify instead stop codons. Compare with lack of ambiguity in the genetic code. See also lack of punctuation between codons.
The utility of a high degree of redundancy in terms of codon specificity, and associated relative dearth of stop codons within the total set of codons, are together useful towards increasing the potential for mutations to give rise to either neutral alleles or beneficial alleles.
Specifically, in mutationally changing from one allele to another, it is extremely helpful that the resulting allele, much more often than not, is going to specify some amino acid. Indeed, in a number of cases a mutation in a codon will not change what amino acid is encoded at all (i.e., see wobble).”
What I have NOT attempted to do is a statistical analysis of the probability the coronavirus occurred naturally. What I have done is attempt to address and consider the Indian analysis in plain language and simpler conceptual terms. You are quite correct in asserting these factors increase the probability the coronavirus occurred naturally. However, as I pointed out in the earlier post, we are looking at a series of independent probability factors, and each is less than 1.0. They would properly be multiplied to understand the probability of them occurring together in a single instance, as is the case here. In my example I used a probability of 1 in ten as a conceptual reference point. You have raised issues which actually reduce these independent probabilities, in the case of each of the amino acids, to one in twenty. If 1 in ten in probative, one in 20 is more so. The redundancy issue is a bit of a red herring here, and is properly relating to an analysis attempting to determine the specific probability of that virus occurring naturally. The “ballpark estimate” remains an amazingly low number, so low as to render it irrelevant from the practical standpoint of whether the virus might actually have been engineered.
A better analogy is coming.

Posted by: Bruce | Feb 2 2020 17:45 utc | 135

Re: codon redundancy, it appears to me that one consequences of codon redundancy, as shown in the table john brewster put up at #86, is that some codons and codon sequences are going to be much more probable than others. To get more detailed about that would get messy, you would use the per codon redundancy as a weight for each codon, sum things up and derive a probability for each codon, and then use that to evaluate particular codon sequences. Just the thing for a computer to do.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 2 2020 18:43 utc | 136

Any prospective president who is willing to have Hillary as his vice president shows a willingness to be assassinated.

Posted by: lysias | Feb 2 2020 19:23 utc | 137

The average human genome has something like 3 billion base pairs. There are only 4 types of base pairs.
If you’re talking about sequences of length=8, with individuals seats with only 4 variations – I don’t see any form of statistical relevance given the 3 billion length container set.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 19:32 utc | 138

And of course, the anti-vaxxers make an appearance.
Because a new disease which has no vaccine, and is spreading, is proof of how modern medicine “reduces mortality rates”. /sarc

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 19:33 utc | 139

From the live update page of globaltimes.cn:
5:43 pm Jan 30
Thanks to measures taken by the government, we should be able to see an inflection point of the number of novel coronavirus cases in 1 to 2 incubation periods (about 1 month): Wen Yumei, an academician from the Chinese Academy of Engineering

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 2 2020 20:13 utc | 140

However, as I pointed out in the earlier post, we are looking at a series of independent probability factors, and each is less than 1.0. <-- Bruce, still at it!? The gist of my analogy of following cooking recipe is that in so-called "null model" we have independent events, but in biological reality you have a lot of dependencies. As "we all know", viruses at occasion swap segments of the coding sequence with other viruses. It is also of interest that "gene editing" is performed by copying what "viruses do". I do not know any details, but the identical insertions could be caused by a mechanism responsible for "interspersed repeats" or something analogous.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 2 2020 20:49 utc | 142

Zerohedge keeps on tripling down with coronavirus-related doom porn.
The maker of the site probably feel they made a huge mistake with doxing that Chinese scientist
based on internet rumor and lousy research (well, ZH never was a research site to be clear).
The ZH comments section has degenerated to a pure trash heap of basement-dwelling keyboard warriors.
There was a time where some good information could be had there.

Posted by: Giovanni | Feb 2 2020 20:53 utc | 143

[B, I am reposting my comment below that apparently was deleted. Please post it. I am not really disagreeing with your specific argument about conspiracy theories but rather noting how some “conspiracy theories” suggest that the coronavirus was made by America, an issue that websites like ZeroHedge seem to ignore–likely as part of the USA’s hybrid war on China.]
The Coronavirus issue is obviously a psywar meme that America and its allied crony nations are deploying as part of their Hybrid War against China.
Like similar American propaganda campaigns such as (non-existent) Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq; the bogus War on Terrorism; NATO’s “humanitarian bombing” wars against Libya and Serbia; Syria (not) using chemical weapons on its own people in Douma; the Skripal poisoning, RussiaGate and other fits of Russophobia, the media has been pushing this “hot button” issue incessantly while mixing in a healthy dose of Fear Propaganda and the vilification of a cultural Other.
In this case, America and the West in general are peddling a thinly disguised version of “Yellow Peril” Sinophobia.
Also, there are “conspiracy theories” that suggest that the Coronavirus is indeed a bioweapon–but one Made in America.
The Global Research article below mentions that the Coronavirus seems to be *ethnic specific* and affect mostly ethnic Chinese people–which would suggest that some other country (ahem, America) would have the motivation to create this type of ethnic specific bioweapon targeting Chinese.
Also, there is the mention of how the Americans were kicked out of China in the past for collecting Chinese DNA samples without permission and by underhanded means–in particular a Harvard University “medical” study that allegedly was commissioned by the American military.
China’s New Coronavirus: An Examination of the Facts
https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662
Here’s another conspiracy theory from Veterans Today (yes, this source is sketchy) but it does raise the interesting idea that the Coronavius is like SARS, Ebola, and even AIDS in being possibly an American biowarfare weapon.
I wonder if ZeroHedge will publish these “conspiracy theories”?
New Improved SARS BioWeapon Tested in China?
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/21/new-improved-sars-bioweapon-tested-in-china/
Finally, for those people who believe that the Land of the Free™ would not use biological warfare, they have only to look at the Korean War, where the United States did in fact use biowarfare against China (and North Korea) involving American warplanes dropping bubonic plague, hemorrhagic fever, and other infectious diseases on North Korea and Chinese villages.
But what do you expect from the same United States of America that was founded upon the extermination of Native Indian peoples, who were given blankets infected with smallpox?
The Dirty Secret of the Korean War
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2017/05/26/the-dirty-secret-of-the-korean-war/
Wormwood and Gall: The Frank Olson Story that Errol Morris Missed
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2019/09/16/wormwood-and-gall-the-frank-olson-story-that-errol-morris-missed/
AMERICA’S BIG LIE ABOUT BIOWEAPON CRIMES IN KOREA
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2017/07/30/americas-big-lie-about-bioweapon-crimes-in-korea-tom-powell-on-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170729/

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 2 2020 20:53 utc | 144

“The novel coronavirus is NOT a bioweapon. No military will develop a weapon that kills only 2% of those affected by it. A real bioweapon would also spread much faster.”
Seriously?
Coronavirus, is an almost perfect weapon when used in conjunction with America’s attacks on Chinese trade, corporations and, of course, reputation.
Introduced by a visiting US Army team–well versed in biowarfare–at China’s central transportation hub prior to the biggest annual migration on earth, it kills only Chinese (not us) and provides the perfect excuse for domestic and foreign travel bans and is plausibly deniable.
It is, as IP lawyers say, a true work of art.

Posted by: Godfree Roberts | Feb 2 2020 20:56 utc | 145

Ship Track@92 – “To us, when you imply that this doctor was “heroically” working on vaccines, it makes us want to barf in our mouths. These vaccines are a gateway to extreme wealth, prestige and power.”
I didn’t say anything about vaccines, and Dr. Zhou never worked on vaccines – heroically or otherwise.
You should be interested in Zhou’s work if you don’t think the current vaccines strategy of teach our immune system to vigorously seek out and kill every potential threat we identify and toss in the pot is a particularly good idea. People will laugh at our Neanderthal (neocon?) approach to health a hundred years from now and wonder how we could be so stupid.
Bats immune systems don’t fight all those deadly viruses, they TOLERATE them without letting them get out of control. Kind of the opposite of the effect of our vaccinations. Bats don’t really shed those viruses either for some reason like infected humans do. Zhou is trying to understand all that. Why would you think the inevitable result of his research will be (yet another) vaccine? He doesn’t work for Big Pharma – he isn’t paid on the profit potential of his research. Chinese aren’t big fans of Supersize MegaBucket o’ Vaccinations™ either. Think THEY trust their government?
I understand why people are damn suspicious of for-profit vaccines and reject them. And maybe Dr. Zhou is evil and secretly working on his latest ethno-genocidal sleeper-cell coronavirus that will be delivered in a vaccine.
I simply choose to believe otherwise. In my fantasy world, Dr. Peng Zhou has a wife and kids and doesn’t want them to die – either from Supersize MegaBucket o’ Vaccinations™ OR from coronaviruses. And the evil red Chinese commies choose to continue to fund his research – but mostly just to save their own ass. Maybe I’m wrong.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 2 2020 21:19 utc | 146

Mortality and morbidity are separate targets for bioweapons,not mutually exclusive,but separate.
The kindly looking gentleman, who could have been a vicar by adding a dog collar from Porton Down who gave part of my advanced NBC course explained that with gusto 50 years ago.
A bioweapon without a developed vaccine would not ever be used,he said most of the labs work was developing vaccines to the monsters they had created,not on creating new ones.

Posted by: winston2 | Feb 2 2020 21:41 utc | 147

Some more relevant links on this issue in particular and the larger topic of bioweapons.
The BlackListed News article in particular is especially detailed in critiquing the American accusations that the Coronavirus was from a Wuhan biowarfare lab, as well as the United States’ own biowarfare operations (which likely continue to this day despite the USA’s ratification of the Biological Weapons Convention) and, most interesting, American military/academic connections (the Pentagon, DARPA, USAID, and Duke University) to Wuhan or research studies on coronaviruses in China and Kazakhstan.
BATS, GENE EDITING AND BIOWEAPONS: RECENT DARPA EXPERIMENTS RAISE CONCERNS AMID CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK
https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/76139/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus.html
Coronavirus Update
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/02/coronavirus-update/
Collecting Russian DNA? Confronting the Threat of Ethnic-Specific Bioweapons
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2017/11/confronting-threat-of-ethnic-bioweapons.html

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 2 2020 21:46 utc | 148

@PavewayIV 145

“In my fantasy world, Dr. Peng Zhou has a wife and kids and doesn’t want them to die – either from Supersize MegaBucket o’ Vaccinations™ OR from coronaviruses. And the evil red Chinese commies choose to continue to fund his research – but mostly just to save their own ass.

Perhaps Chinese people are not so selfish and cynical as westerners. Maybe they have transcended greed and become truly communist, but I have my doubts. I ask myself “Why would any country need these labs”? Porton down, who knows how many US laboratories. If they are not researching the virus as a profitable weapon, and they are not researching the virus as a profitable vaccine, then the only logical explanation in my mind is that they “have to save their own ass” from US virus warfare. There certainly is enought evidence of it. Why is it always China where these things originate? Am I putting words in your mouth?

Posted by: Ship Track | Feb 2 2020 21:54 utc | 149

BBC do a sensible radio program on stats called More or Less.
They do 10 mins on the coronavirus and come up with calm sensible conclusions – much like MofA,
And go over the stats for the intelligent non-expert.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csz3s7

Posted by: Michael Droy | Feb 2 2020 22:06 utc | 150

bbc ? the same one that announced wtc 7 fell 20 minutes before it fell ?

Posted by: paul | Feb 2 2020 22:34 utc | 151

Lulu@123
From your numbers there are about 5000 cases in hubei excluding wuhan, and only 25 deaths.
Seems as the virus spreads outside wuhan its getting less deadly, if thats correct. Thats about equal to the death rate of cases outside China (last I checked 1/200). So the question obviously is why the death rate in wuhan is so much larger? I suspect its because the cases are underreported

Posted by: Pft | Feb 2 2020 22:44 utc | 152

@dorje @110 China knows this was a bio-warfare attack, China refused US offer for help, Wuhan doctors with patients singing patriotic war songs, the same with people in building blocks. They know but they will never officially state that openly because that would mean they would have to go to war. China does not want war, China wants to become a global economic super power.

Posted by: dave | Feb 2 2020 23:00 utc | 153

@Ship Track #148
“Always” is not an appropriate term for diseases. AIDS didn’t from from China, for example.
Equally, a little economic history would inform you as to why China is where the action is, lately.
China’s GDP was 6% of the US’ in 1984. Today, they are closing in on parity.
1.4 billion people have gone from $260 in 1986 to $4800+ in 2013 – and certainly significantly higher now.
They’ve gone from being really, really poor to where the average family can afford to eat meat, all the time.
And the animal husbandry in China has gone from a few, serving the very few wealthy, to a huge industry will all of the experience, wisdom and regulation you can expect from Chinese producers…

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 2 2020 23:05 utc | 154

Vlogs from Wuhan:
An American & Chinese couple living in Wuhan tells their true interview experience with international media (in English).
Watch how the media cut and paste their interview to twist it into a complete scary story, which has been watched by 1.8 million viewers. This couple’s video so far has only 7,000+ view since it was put on 01/02/2020.
They have made a series of vlog about living in lock-down Wuhan.
Freelance Chinese photographer records the life in lock-down Wuhan).
There are total five videos right now:
1st video was taken on the first day of lock down 23/01/2020. He drove around Wuhan, went to supermarket and pharmacy. He said he supported the lock-down so as to prevent the spread of nCoV.
2nd video was 24/01, he volunteered to drive the nurses to work because there were no public transportation after the shut down. They talked about the situation in the hospitals. Then he went to have Chinese New Year’s Eve dinner with a friend.
3rd video (25/01): he continued with his volunteer driving. The nurse told him there were more and more confirmed and suspected patients, who were then transferred to the Jinyintan Hospital, which is speciliased in respiratory infection diseases.
She also told him how her neighbours gave her face masks and put swimming goggles on the handle of her door.
At 3:40, he talked about one of the driver from the volunteer WeChat group got infected. They had to stop the volunteer driving.
Around 6:59, he went to see the hotel owner, who gave her hotel to the doctors and nurses from the nearby two hospitals for free use.
Ca 8:00 he checked on super markets and shops: a customer was a bit agitated and the manager explained they’d open between 9:00-18:00 everyday.
10:21 he went to a gas station due to the rumour of fuel shortage.
At the end he visited a friend from his previous band, who’d give him some masks.
4th video: his friend drove the car for him so he could make his video. He talked about the government reversed some of its restriction of private cars because a big uproar from the people against this decision.
He visited the construction site of the second designated Leishenshan Hospital. (To be ready for operation on 05/02。 Live of construction.
At the end, his friend talked to his son and wife, with whom he couldn’t be reunited for Chinese New Year due to the lock-down.
5th video: he went to a logistic center to volunteer to transport the donated food and bottles of water to different hospitals.
They were dozens of trucks and volunteer drivers who organised themselves to help out their city.
At 3:50, the young lady was the initiator of Wuhan free hotels for doctors/nurses. After media reported her volunteer work, many companies and private person started to send in donation. She then organised volunteers to deliver the donation to different hospitals.
The man at the end said that there were 300 to 400 people in his WeChat group. he’s sure there must be 40,000 volunteers in Wuhan right now. When asked if he felt scared and worried, he said:“Of course, (we) feel scared and scared, but we can’t run away, we can’t hide, because this is our city.”

Posted by: lulu | Feb 2 2020 23:14 utc | 155

Chinese American @126
Thanks for another live update link. The data b quoted is from 丁香医生, the same one that I’ve been using for my update.
Talking about the “military triggering”, I am fully expecting some fearmongering bullcraps from MSM and Twitter and FB. :))) The important thing is designated Huoshenshan hospital will be in full operation from Monday (03/01/2020). The 450 doctors and nurses are from military/navy/airforce medical universities, lot of them have experience of dealing with SARS and Ebola. There are also nearly 1,000 logistic staff. Together they will take good care of the patients and shoulder the burden with the overwhelmed doctors and nurses in Wuhan.

Posted by: lullu | Feb 2 2020 23:47 utc | 156

I believe the video mentioned in Youtube in Korean about 3:33 or few second earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox9Ai3Ycn6Y&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: JC | Feb 2 2020 23:55 utc | 157

Seems as the virus spreads outside wuhan its getting less deadly, if thats correct. Thats about equal to the death rate of cases outside China (last I checked 1/200). So the question obviously is why the death rate in wuhan is so much larger? I suspect its because the cases are underreported
Posted by: Pft | Feb 2 2020 22:44 utc | 151
I think it follows principles of epidemiology. What makes diseases easier and more difficult to spread? A virus has to damage some tissue of the host by making infected cell to produce viruses and break apart. It can induce various degrees of inflammation. It can act quickly or slowly. Spreading to immediate family is “easy”. Spreading to other people requires a period without symptoms or milder symptoms.
As a result, viruses that mutated toward milder symptoms are more efficient “travelers”.
On a separate note, yesterday I was buying something in East Asian Market near me, two young women are clerks of the store, one was in a mask, one not. I guess I do not need to compare with a much smaller East European Market.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 3 2020 0:16 utc | 158

re: paul | Feb 2 2020 22:34 utc | 150 who bullsh1tted:
“bbc ? the same one that announced wtc 7 fell 20 minutes before it fell ?”
I don’t have time for the bbc anymore they became the biggest liars after the Iraq WMD expose & subsequent inquiry, but prior to that they did have a few honest journos. I was watching BBC live the time the WTC attacks took place. There had been no previous mention but they switched live to New York about 10 minutes after the first building was hit and showed the second strike live.
They were earliest on the scene at DC got into a hotel close to the pentagon and were filming the plane which had crashed into it when suddenly all these blokes wearing sunglasses came swarming up from the floor below onto the room’s balcony to shut the cameras down. Claimed to be FBI and stopped filming not because there was no plane – we saw the plane but because they didn’t want the world seeing how vulnerable amerika is and how their biggest symbol of world wide military oppression the pentagon had been hit the same day as the biggest symbol of financial oppression the WTC, got hit. After the pentagon shots were blocked we had to put up with a video of some VoA harridan talking into a mic for the next two hours.
Anyone who claims the beeb had prior warning is a fool, a liar or both.

Posted by: A User | Feb 3 2020 0:20 utc | 159

So the question obviously is why the death rate in wuhan is so much larger? I suspect its because the cases are underreported
Posted by: Pft | Feb 2 2020 22:44 utc | 151
————————————————————————————
I have already given the main reasons @123: Inadequate early diagnosis, lack of better treatment in the initial stage and medical resources (hospital beds, medical staff & suppliers, etc.)
Since SARS, China has established the nation-wide grid reporting system for SARS-like epidemic. Once confirmed, any such epidemic break will be reported via this grid system from the lowest level to the highest to China’s NHC and CDC.
Any government officials who tries to cover up means his political career is gone and may even be sentenced to prison. What’s the benefit for him to underreport or cover up? Accurate reporting of the disease means he can get more attention and more resources to deal with the situation, which means better opportunity for future career promotion.
As posted under b’s precious report, the head of Huanggang’s Health Commission was removed from her position on 30/01 due to incompetence. So far Huanggang punishes 337 officials for slacking off from their duty in combating the coronavirus
I will try to do a detailed post tomorrow about the wildly speculation of so-called “covered-up.”

Posted by: lulu | Feb 3 2020 0:23 utc | 160

The current data certainly don’t support claims that they show a “coming decline”.
Both with the number of comfirmed cases of infections, and with the number of deaths, there is still an acceleration – the number of additional cases that are added each day still shows an upward trend.
The claim seems to be that the percentual increase of the number of additional cases from day to day is going down. That would be this “flattening”. But this trend is by no means clear, and if the acceleration goes on like this, even if it becomes slightly weaker, the number of overall cases would still become much larger soon.
With data from the last days, we can state that the claim that the daily increase in the cumulative number of cases is becoming linear and is now slightly decreasing is wrong. There is still an upward trend in the daily number of additional cases both of confirmed infections and of deaths. There are some fluctuations, so single cases where the change from day X+1 to X+2 was smaller than the change from day X to X+1 can be found, but in most cases, the change becomes larger with each case.
On the basis of such data, it is certainly not justified to predict that there will soon be a decline.
Of course, at some point in the future, there will be a decline. Maybe the peak will be in a month, maybe in April – no serious person will make a confident prediction now. And whether the acceleration goes on for a month or for more – the number of cases will probably surpass many past epidemics.
Generally, I appreciate the analyses of the author of this blog. But this seems to be a topic he is not competent about, and strangely, he seems very overconfident despite his lack of competence, which otherwise is not typical of him.

Posted by: Adrian E. | Feb 3 2020 0:27 utc | 161

Excellent and very informative article, B
There are some folks who do think that the IS responsible for this virus as well as the pig virus that killed 1/3 of China’s pig population.
I got banned from Twatter again for criticizing Israel.
I miss your Tweets B along with other truthers I know.
I found a new socialism site that many truthers are flocking too after getting the boot from Twitter or who are setting up accounts there just in case. No censorship there at all.
It’s called VK.com, a Russian social media site Set up kinda like FB.
It would be great to see you there too, B!😁 or any of your many subscribers here. Check it out!

Posted by: Annie | Feb 3 2020 0:28 utc | 162

Coronavirus/Wuhan Update—Sources Tell Actual Numbers | NTD TV

According to the article, 14 to 20 cremators were all operating around the clock

New Tang Dynasty → It takes a crematorium on average 1.5-3 hours to process a body
So the total number of dead being processed by the 14 cremators of the Hankou funeral home would be closer to 112-224 per day
disclaimer: any material here is speculation, opinion, entertainment or nutcase rumor and under no test should be considered information = observers assume 100% of the risk under any test, in any juris, whether at the bench of law or on the publicus of commons

Posted by: Nicholas Jordan | Feb 3 2020 0:36 utc | 163

re. A User @ 157….
wow…so you think they lied their butts off in 2003 but were clean peachy two years earlier ? If bbc didn’t report wtc7 falling 20 minutes premature, then there’s about ten million misinformed articles to clean. And if bbc supposedly took footage of the supposed plane hitting the pentagon, there’s a few hundred million truthers also who’d like to see it, since the gov cleaned all their surveillance cams. I wonder why the bbccrew also didn’t ask the simple question…where’d the plane go and how it flew 500mph at ground level? BBc is controlled media at it’s worst. But apparently it’s got one misinformed fan, cause even they admit it ! And I’m still waiting for them to kick the queen in the rear and post an article how the fascist gov of good ole england has a political prisoner called Assange in one of it’s dungeons. “”It is certainly true that on 9/11 the BBC broadcast that WTC7 had collapsed when it was still standing. Then the satellite transmission seemed to cut out mysteriously when the correspondent was still talking. Then Richard Porter admitted in his blog last year that the BBC had lost those key tapes of BBC World News output from the day.”” https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/07/controversy_conspiracies_iii.html

Posted by: paul | Feb 3 2020 1:15 utc | 164

Nicholas Jordan @ 161:
New Tang Dynasty Television is part of the Falun Gong network along with The Epoch Times newspaper and the Shen Yun Dance Company. You know, that Falun Gong network founded by a self-styled messiah who lives in New York state and who believes he can levitate, make himself invisible simply by thinking so and can direct people’s movements by thinking.
Bernhard has described elsewhere on MoA that Falun Gong receives funding from the US government through agencies like the National Endowment for Democracy.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 3 2020 1:26 utc | 165

Virus is said to come from bats (good evidence exists for this, although it does not absolutely rule out certain other possibilities).
Researcher at lab is experimenting with bat virus and has done so for years (he is a specialist and rightly considered a leader in the field).
Lab is local to where viral epidemic started. The possibility exists that the virus is linked to the lab in some way (whether an inadvertent release or the result of carelessness or recklessness or ignorance or some other reason).
Buzzfeed releases a story which claims a link between the lab and the virus.
A Zero Hedge writer reads the Buzzfeed story and goes on to view the lab’s public website which discloses the bat virus researcher’s name, what he specialises in, what projects and research he is engaged in (it is all there in plain English language no less).
Zero Hedge publishes the information and asks the obvious questions. Is the lab involved? What are they doing at the lab? What has happened there? Was it them? What do they have to say about it? What do they think about it? Surely being experts and being local to it they’d have something to state.
Zero Hedge is of the position, “There is a question to be answered here. Let’s hear from the acknowledged expert at the scene. He may have nothing of importance to add or he may have something very important to contribute, but it is in the public interest that he speak up.” Given the situation it would be a very good idea to find out what he has to say. Let’s hear him.
There is nothing wrong with asking a public servant to speak and to explain matters of which he has specialist understanding, especially when the actions undertaken by said public servant could well have extremely serious consequences for other people. If his actions are completely innocuous let him explain so.
Zero Hedge are to be commended for what they are doing in this instance.

It has been interesting to read about the Boeing 737 MAX debacle. Many contributors to these discussions have rightly named names and demanded accountability from the responsible. Fair enough too. On the other hand it is disappointing to see a double standard being expressed in relation to the c-virus situation. Here we have government scientists engaged in activities which are potentially dangerous to many other people (activities which MAY have gone wrong in some way) and yet the top expert among them is not to be named, nor asked to explain anything about what is transpiring….
There is a word for this sort of thing.

Posted by: Siotu | Feb 3 2020 1:30 utc | 166

Ship Track@148 – Apologies, Ship Track. This was intended as sarcasm for western audiences that have had to endure decades of U.S. propaganda about the Soviet and Chinese ‘Red Menace’. That was the threat that communists would… well, I’m not sure exactly what the threat was. We were just supposed to be terrified of communists and hate them. At least until our iPhones started coming from China. Then we kind of forgot all about the non-existent communist ‘threat’. Amazing!
“…Perhaps Chinese people are not so selfish and cynical as westerners.” I had intended to direct my comment at the motivations of CCP elite ruling class officials, not everyday Chinese. My point was that – just like in the US – the elite ruling class is motivated too often by self-benefit and perceived privilege, i.e. ‘saving their own ass’ vs. worrying about the little people. Though I will readily admit the U.S. government ‘leaders’ have taken their arrogance and self-assigned privilege to an entirely new level of audacity, so I’m not singling out the CCP leaders here.
In any case, and regardless of motivation, it is a GOOD thing that the CCP and CAS is funding Dr. Zhou’s research. His work is important for the public health of everyone on earth, not just the Chinese. I admire his scientific curiosity and research in bats immune system in and of itself, and find little reason to suspect some kind of evil motive behind either his work or the fact that it’s state (CCP) funded. I simply choose to believe he’s a good person with honorable intentions and a genuine interest in helping people. I love a good conspiracy theory and don’t trust my (or any other) deceptive government, but have a hard time automatically suspecting the rest of humanity as being inherently evil. Power-seeking psychopaths keep trying to convince me of that. They don’t understand that my concept of evil basically means THEM, not the enemies they’re suggesting.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Feb 3 2020 1:57 utc | 167

dave | Feb 2 2020 23:00 utc | 152:
AFAIK, it’s rather difficult to determine the perpetrator of bio-attacks as anyone with enough resources can develop these weapons. Sometimes it may not be from a State-actor. So I don’t see how it would be bad for Chinese authorities to admit the truth.

Posted by: Ian2 | Feb 3 2020 2:16 utc | 168

Posted by: Siotu | Feb 3 2020 1:30 utc | 164
Are you referring to names released by the congress transport commission investigating the Boeing case? Are you referring to names blackened out in internal Boeing documents made public by said authority? Are you referring to quotes made by named persons on issues materially involved on the questions raised by said public investigation? Or are you referring to calls for harassment of persons for nothing more that pure individual speculation?
There is a name for that too.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Feb 3 2020 2:22 utc | 169

the only thing zero hedge has ever proved is that reading ayn rand causes irreparable brain damage. i’m also tempted to add “most guys obsessed with fight club are overcompensating beta a__holes” but i think that was established back in the 1990s.
it’s odd that the simplest explanation gets ignored in favor of absurd and in many cases bigoted stupidity; many of the initial cases were reported in employees of a disgusting seafood market…
“which also sold processed meats and live consumable animals including poultry, donkeys, sheep, pigs, camels, foxes, badgers, bamboo rats, hedgehogs and reptiles.”
so chalk this one up to repulsive subhumans eating sh_t they have no business eating. it’s a shame they had to spread it to people with the correct amount of chromosomes but then a lot of those were old as hell and/or smokers. so…y’know…nature works sometimes.

Posted by: the pair | Feb 3 2020 2:41 utc | 170

Posted by: Siotu | Feb 3 2020 1:30 utc | 164
“Zero Hedge are to be commended for what they are doing in this instance.”
Really? Zero Hedge are 2-faces snake. It promote heavily Epoch Times, Falun Gong. see posting: Jen | Feb 3 2020 1:26 utc | 163

Posted by: JC | Feb 3 2020 3:33 utc | 171

“Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag” https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1
This is a SARS type coronavirus. Its spike glycoprotein contains 4 insertions. The insertions are in a row. None have been seen in another coronavirus (low probability). All 4 are present in all human source samples of the Wuhan coronavirus – all four of which match up to HIV-1 sequences. They do not represent a single unbroken sequence from HIV-1; they come from four different places, but in this new coronavirus they’re all together (low probability). They each enable the new coronavirus to perform a task making the base coronavirus more survivable and more effective, as they are critical for the virus to identify and latch on to host cells, and for viral assembly (low probability for all four to be useful). It is considered unlikely a coronavirus would mutate to pick up 4 novel insertions so quickly, and it is obviously highly unlikely all 4 would match HIV-1 sequences, and there are no useless incidental insertions. Even if we do not parse these into separate events, there are unquestionably no less than three low probability events here with respect to the consideration that this virus arose spontaneously in nature. The researchers, at least some of whom presumably have more than a passing familiarity with virology, which is not likely to be the case with respect to the participants on this forum, have indicated a certain degree of surprise over these low probability events. That would arguably mean they expect it would be at least one in ten or less that they would encounter them or they would not register surprise let alone write an article that could at a minimum subject them to international embarrassment. In other words, people who are familiar with these phenomena are registering a reaction indicative of at least a “one in a thousand” surprise. If virologists believe it is a one in a thousand we would see this happening naturally, and the choices are a seafood market (which some argue is a discredited theory), or the only category 4 lab in China…draw your own conclusions. But keep in mind the question presented is not “what is the % probability the coronavirus was engineered,” but rather “is it more or less likely that the coronavirus was engineered”? These researchers are indicating it is a proverbial lead pipe cinch that it was engineered, using technical and polite language.
The supermarket analogy – four people show up on the same day in a supermarket in a city other than where they are from. They’re all from the same other city, but they arrived separately. They all buy the same seven items, for the same recipe, which recipe has never been seen before. The recipe is purportedly safe and healthy but in reality it is poisonous and of sufficient strength and quantity to take out a small city. Upon their arrest, they claim they had no idea the recipe would create a poison. The police captain has irrefragable evidence of all the above, has made the arrests, and provided you, the prosecutor, the file. Will you decline to prosecute on the basis that “it’s just a recipe,” or open the matter for further investigation?

Posted by: Bruce | Feb 3 2020 3:58 utc | 172

One of the most interesting questions is this, for me at least:
There are a lot of countries out there that have bats. Some are even more crowded and less hygienic than China. But only Chinese bats generate (allegedly) all of these hideous viruses. How come?
And, of course, now that this thing jumped to India, that’s the country that could go viral supernova given the overall numbers and living conditions of the population there.
Contained? I wouldn’t bet on it.

Posted by: venom | Feb 3 2020 4:17 utc | 173

There is a critical assessment of the biorxiv submission here
https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-seem-engineered-from-hiv/
which explains how those Indian authors are probably overinterpreting their data, which apparently can be better explained by natural phenomena rather than deliberate bioengineering. The website itself is a bit off-beat, but the writer’s credentials appear to check out.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Feb 3 2020 4:25 utc | 174

Lulu@158
I did not say anything about a cover up. I did say the reported cases are probably much less than the real number of cases in wuhan, for the reasons you stated but also perhaps a bit of covering up early on. Given the economic consequences of honest reporting, one can understand that.
I still hold this is all overhyped if the reported numbers are true. This overhype clearly benefits the Bill Gates of the world and Big Pharma, but not saying they are behind it.
China also has its own pharmacy industry, and probably benefits by having an excuse for a faltering economy. Also, as an authoritarian state they don’t mind using their power over the little people to enforce quarantines and vaccines once they develop them. They also have an overpopulation problem, much of it aging, and simultaneous outbreaks depleting pork and chicken supplies places will restrict protein consumption and harm health. No idea how that trade deal went over in China given they got nothing in return, so this proves a nice distraction.
Again, not saying any intent just that there is always a silver lining for the elites, be it Western elites or the Party elites in the East. Paper losses in the short term sacrificed for material and political gains over the long term.

Posted by: Pft | Feb 3 2020 4:27 utc | 175

Zero Hedge is mouthpiece of American empire just with an alt-right pseude libertarian lens. They ahve an agenda.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 3 2020 5:42 utc | 176

Stealth Viruses: The basic concept of this potential bioweapon is to “produce a tightly regulated, cryptic viral infection that can enter and spread in human cells using vectors” (similar to the gene therapy) and then stay dormant for a period of time until triggered by an internal or external signal. The signal then could stimulate the virus to cause severe damage to the system. Stealth viruses could also be tailored to secretly infect a targeted population for an extended period using the threat of activation to blackmail the target.”
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a556597.pdf

Posted by: dave | Feb 3 2020 5:54 utc | 177

“The insertions are in a row.” <- Bruce Do you know how many such insertions are there in human genome? A lot. This is a type of mutation. The result is called tandem repeat. And back at Zero Hedge you may read that this sequence is present in many viruses -- if it originates from non-human virus, one would expect a recombination with another non-human virus, and that is probably what happen. If you whimsically decided to purchase a fruit you never ate before, something that you do on the average once per 100 days, the chances that you actually purchase four are much larger than 1 per million. This is a type of a shopper decision -- decide what, decide the quantity. About bioweapon theory, what makes it non-credible is the current state of biology. Designing a microbe is not as easy as horror science fiction suggests. The outcomes may be species dependent, so it is hard to test on animal models. One can test on cell cultures, but cells in a tissue behave differently. So you need human subjects. But that makes it damn difficult to hide weapon research in a big legitimate research facility. You need human subjects, imprisoned, not that easy to hide. From that point of view, it is much better to focus on animal or plant diseases. The damage, after all, is mostly economic. Experimental subjects have no voice and no rights.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 3 2020 6:10 utc | 178

Vasco de Gamma
Re Boeing 737 Max
I am referring to names already published, including by this site.
An inability to read and comprehend…. there is a word for that also. It applies to you.

the pair
Wow! So you consider many Chinese sub-human.
Gosh.
Such comedy.
Time for you to stop flagellating your wee ego and start trying to think logically, one step at a time.
The specialist high level top security “only one in China” lab is right there near where the epidemic began. China’s top researchers are there. A World-class leading researcher specialising in bat viruses is right in there on site. This is their area of specialisation. In particular it is his particular area of specialisation. Surely it’d be well worth hearing from this outfit and in particular this lead researcher.
The link to the seafood market is a possibility. The link to bats is a much stronger possibility.
There is an obvious question regarding a link between the lab and the virus. Did the virus escape the lab (whether by accident, deliberate act, ignorance, mistake, hubris, carelessness, recklessness, or was it nothing to do with the lab at all)?. Buzzfeed published the link. Zero Hedge went on to ask the question overtly. Time for the question to be answered- directly and honestly.
Your histrionic approach to this affair and to Zero Hedge is beneath you. In this instance ZH are correct to ask and to direct attention to who is present and what he has been doing. Perhaps all is innocuous and there is nothing bad going on at this government lab- no weapons research and no accidental release or deliberate release. Perhaps nothing wrong at the lab at all. Perhaps the lab is researching weapons (the bat is the perfect subject for understanding some important aspects of viruses and viral immunity and viral susceptibility), but nothing went wrong and there was no release whether deliberate or accidental. Or perhaps there was a problem at the lab and someone did something bad or reckless or careless. Whatever the case, the people fooling about with these materials are accountable for what they do. Let’s hear from them. They have the special expertise to comment authoritatively (as in, with real knowledge). There is a case to answer, even if the answer is in the negative.
This brings us to a secondary point. Secondary it may be but it is important. How can it be right for governments to research and develop viral weapons?

JC
Whether ZH are a two faced snake or Falun Gong or your personal self-abuse fantasy is of no concern. The question is whether or not there is a link between the lab and the outbreak. The question is a valid one to ask.
Lesson for you. Just because someone you don’t like asks a question that of itself does not mean the question is not be addressed and answered.

Venom
Bats are ideal for researching matters viral. They are filthy with viruses. Feeeeealthiy! They carry a huge viral load and yet they (generally) do not get sick from all the material on them. What is it about bats that gives them the ability to survive this? How does their immune system keep them safe? What is the mechanism? What is it about the viruses which mean they do not affect the bats? What is the process of bats gaining viral immunity (on the molecular level)? What makes some viruses harmless to bats but so harmful to other creatures?
The researcher named over at Zero Hedge has been working with bats on these questions for quite a while. He even researched bats in Australia and published some of his research findings prior to going to China. He is a leader, probably THE leader, in this field.
In the end though, my expectation is that this virus is going to end up like a slightly super-charged common cold. The people who died were exposed to factors such as poor nutrition, slack sanitation and living conditions. Likely many had multiple other factors involved as well, like smoking, pre-existing medical conditions and illnesses, general ill health, advancing age, stress, fatigue and so on. This is all playing out much like SARS- big news for the time being and then…….. fades away to nothing.
Too much media hype.
Now the really interesting part of this story is whether the secondary effects and consequences of what has happened (hype included) turn out to mutate into something of far greater import.

Posted by: Siotu | Feb 3 2020 6:27 utc | 179

re Annie | Feb 3 2020 0:28 utc | 160
I tried to check out vk.com but seems to be a facebook only site, which makes it useless to me as I already know the extent of the nonsense FB goes thru when someone tries to speak the truth. I use ‘burner’ names and 2nd ‘sources’ but FB still try to land spyware and other dodgy stuff once the know yer deleting cookies and other basic tracking rorts. Worst of all they simply delete any posts which utter something which they or their corporate clients don’t want heard.
If VK com has anything to do with VK may I suggest to VK that investing in an actual website free of corporate control will do a lot more for yer site than being jammed up by FB.
Who knows – if the proprietor asks nicely he /she may even turn up a siteadmin or two prepared to harden the site, set up ddos protection etc.
A FB site is what us unwoke blokes called a cock tease about 50 years ago.

Posted by: A User | Feb 3 2020 7:44 utc | 180

@PavewayIV 165

His work is important for the public health of everyone on earth, not just the Chinese. I admire his scientific curiosity and research in bats immune system in and of itself, and find little reason to suspect some kind of evil motive behind either his work or the fact that it’s state (CCP) funded.
I am not nor have I ever been a “scientist” nor have I ever really associated with them. In the world under my tin foil hat, science and scientists have become as corrupted or more than every other corner of our lives. Vaccines, 5G, glyphosate, Fukushima, space debris, climate destruction/restoration/change, geoengineering, transgenderism, DU weaponry, trans-humanism, and importantly this continual string of “pandemics” all seem to be directly connected to “science”.
In my view, “science” has become a new religion that is as corrupted as all the old time ones. In my view, fake rock star scientists are among the worst of them all, up there with rabbi’s, evangalist preachers and the pope.
This is why I have a very hard time believing that there isn’t something nefarious going on at this institute.

Posted by: Ship Track | Feb 3 2020 8:00 utc | 181

@75 dltravers
Yes, this is exactly what concerns me. This virus, whatever it is or isn’t, is obviously not one that is just another flu virus – the proof of this is China’s reactions: a draconian and country-wide one that is hugely economically damaging. Why would they act that way for something that is ‘just another flu’ virus? The Chinese government is sh*tting itself and clearly knows something we don’t.

Posted by: Richard | Feb 3 2020 8:27 utc | 182

Posted by: Ship Track | Feb 3 2020 8:00 utc | 182
Not necessarily nefarious but without respect for life’s complexity.
In my view, “science” has become a new religion that is as corrupted as all the old time ones. In my view, fake rock star scientists are among the worst of them all, up there with rabbi’s, evangalist preachers and the pope.
This is true as long as science does not recognize that there is a large area science does not know and cannot control. Similar to religion.
Posted by: Richard | Feb 3 2020 8:27 utc | 183
This virus, whatever it is or isn’t, is obviously not one that is just another flu virus – the proof of this is China’s reactions: a draconian and country-wide one that is hugely economically damaging.
It is a crossover from animals. You can cut off humans but not animals. Should mice and rats be involved, that’s it. It seems it can be transferred via excrements – go figure.

Posted by: somebody | Feb 3 2020 9:59 utc | 183

@Rancid #98 May I ask which herb was so helpful to you ?

Posted by: Stephane | Feb 3 2020 10:07 utc | 184

Posted by: Stephane | Feb 3 2020 10:07 utc | 185
Garlic does
a) keep other people at a distance
b) is supposed to be good for your immune system
You can google the rest. Take into consideration that closeness to other people and human touch is good for your immune system, too :-))

Posted by: somebody | Feb 3 2020 11:17 utc | 185

@Siotu

I am referring to names already published, including by this site.
An inability to read and comprehend…. there is a word for that also. It applies to you.

Would you be so kind and point us to such an instance: harrassment called upon an, up until then, unnamed person that was object of pure individual speculation made by the author on this site? (that is the minimum criteria that must be fulfilled for your comparison to be made and that was criticized here)

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Feb 3 2020 11:51 utc | 186

John Bachelor show: info wars redux
John Bachelor had some NED type guest and I was struck by how he was using the Coronavirus to proclaim that this proves that the ‘Chinese govt is incompatible with the modern world’. He kept repeating that phrase as if it was now a priority to overthrow the Chinese govt for the survival of the planet (or perhaps return to the pre-Nixon era). Dang, these guys are creepy.
I’m going to look to buy some more of the Chinese ETF on the dip or maybe the BRICs.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Feb 3 2020 12:09 utc | 187

notwithstanding all the scientific expertise here in the old comment section, we would be remiss not to mention the fact that four Italian researchers yesterday managed to isolate the coronavirus. the single most important step yet towards its irradication. it was pretty big news here in Italy. oh yeah, four of them are women.

Posted by: john | Feb 3 2020 12:27 utc | 188

oops, I meant three of them.

Posted by: john | Feb 3 2020 12:31 utc | 189

I have to say its a little disheartening to hear terms like ‘conspiracy nutters’ used by analysts who likely have the same ad hominem thrown at them on a regular basis. Conspiracy is the very nature of the game that attracts us to these discussions.
For my part I think William Gruff #101 is off is suggesting a badly designed bioweapon could end up looking like nCorona.
Scotch Bingeington #44 rightly highlighted the significant impact it is having on China’s fortunes, both economic and soft power.
If the US did seek to engage in biological warfare (let’s say they felt the need for a ‘new, new Pearl Harbour’), what would they aim for?
Maybe something bad enough to create a panic but not run out of control.
If it was twice as deadly as regular flu that might be enough.
Even better if it is twice as likely to affect Asians as it is Caucasians. So on balance you can highlight the deadliness of the threat but to 93% of your own population it may be no greater threat than the regular flu season.
You want to ensure it creates a panic so where would be the best site for release? Possibly the city containing China’s highest level viral research center? So neither the Chinese Gov nor public can be sure it isn’t something a lot more serious.
Of course, there’s a good chance that because of this, the Chinese have some sort of quarantine plan in place for that region that will be the key factor in turning the story into an international panic.
Maybe having a major US military delegation (as mentioned #44) in Wuhan just before the event will provide a chance to clarify what the likely Chinese response will be, maybe even put some pressure on them to up their response to pandemic threats.
Then you arrange for the World Economic Forum to run Event 201 which focuses, in part, of the need to have strict control of the online and media narrative surrounding any new pandemic (coincidentally using the example of the then unfamiliar term ‘corona virus’).
One thing that stood out to me in the first days of this story coming to my attention was how quickly it spread to mainstream awareness. It was pushed hard on social media, far more imo than any past similar event, moving what would have languished for at least an initial period in alternative news sites, directly to front page, mainstream coverage. I don’t know to what extent that was a result of the unique quarantine measures but it did seem somewhat inorganic.
I don’t believe the above is the most likely scenario by any means but it’s not so absurd that I would discount it completely. At present the events in China are incredibly fortuitous for the USA, a country which seems to have a long history of unlikely events taking place which just happen to be the perfect thing to compliment their geostrategic aims, from 9/11 justifying a wave of ME wars, to Iran shooting down their own plane. I don’t automatically believe a conspiracy is at play, but neither do I automatically attribute it to sheer happenstance.

Posted by: Glagaire | Feb 3 2020 12:37 utc | 190

Flu comes around every year. This year we have Flu and Corona. No-one has an immunity because it has crossed over from animals. China has done the right thing and the proof of that is that the rate of increase in confirmed cases has slowed which gives the Chinese more time to react instead of being overwhelmed. I think it is a little early to say they have it under control. The real danger is that dodging the flu+corona bullets is not a certain thing, medically or economically.

Posted by: Kaiama | Feb 3 2020 13:29 utc | 191

@PavewayIV
Regarding Asian males having the highest number of ACE receptors: Read this whole twitter thread with links to gov sites, this explains East Asian males have gene sequences that positively influences the amount of ACE2-expressing cells:
https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1222540821016326145
90%+ of the infected outside China are Chinese and the only Caucasian i know of is a German guy who had mild symptoms and went back to work after a few days.
Mark my word, the infections among whites will be slow with mild symptoms not unlike the regular influenza or the cold for that matter.
China is treating this as a biological attack, China has refused US offer for help, doctors and patients in Wuhan are singing patriotic war songs together as do the people living in the building blocks.They know there is a biological warfare being waged on them. The Chinese authorities will not openly point fingers at the USA or declare a biological warfare is being waged but they sure do treat this as such.

Posted by: dave | Feb 3 2020 14:41 utc | 192

farm ecologist @ 177
Thanks for that link, written by a big pharma bioinformaticist – exactly the kind of statistically and biologically-literate person you want to her from.
His most telling point is that the short matching sequences (~ 6bp) are from the “hypervariable” spike tips of the corona virus, which is constantly mutating. The spike tips are what bind to the target cell, so they constantly mutate around trying new combinations. That’s the same kind of region that influenza mutates. The flu strains are named for their version of spike tips: H1N1 (that is, the strain targets Hemagglutinin 1, neuraminidase 1).
So, the matching mutations are in the “lockpick” part of the viral genome, not the payload. There is no HIV functional significance to these mutations. They don’t give anyone HIV. They are part of the natural mutation process.
Great catch. I will have to follow this website.

Posted by: john brewster | Feb 3 2020 14:53 utc | 193

I myself never worry about disease, and am not particularly interested in the CV that’s the general topic on this thread…however two matters which may have already been mentioned>
UNZ Bats, Gene Editing and Bioweapons: Recent Darpa Experiments Raise Concerns Amid Coronavirus Outbreak (Whitney Webb)
counterpunch > the-dirty-secret-of-the-korean-war/
The ICI report is on line. It was Wally’s week end reading.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 3 2020 14:53 utc | 194

The following are links to corporate mass media (heavily influenced by Operation Mockingbird and “patriotic” imperial interests) articles hyping the emergence of the the novel coronavirus when there was still only 44 cases and a whole week before the first death.
Reuters: Chinese officials investigate cause of pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan
UPI: Dozens of people sick in China after mysterious pneumonia outbreak
Forbes: Mystery Pneumonia, Respiratory Illness, Has Afflicted 44 People In Wuhan, China
CBS: Mystery pneumonia outbreak in China sparks fear of deadly SARS virus
These and more were published more than a week before the first fatality. I do not post the links for readers to study for insights as the articles’ content really possess no insight in and of themselves. The key is that they were published at all that early in the outbreak. These are not “fringe blogs” or responses to social media trends. These are “mainstream” Mockingbird mass media orifices with unreformed histories of serving the empire’s information warfare interests. They were planting the suggestion that it was SARS days before the Chinese researchers themselves verified that this was the case.
While this does not constitute absolute proof, it is sufficient to firmly convince me that this outbreak is a deliberate attack by the empire on China. Throw in the low-probability “curiosities” that have been identified in the novel virus’ nucleotide sequences and the likelihood that this could be random happenstance recedes to the distant extremes of possibility.
That said, as dave @152 notes, even if absolute proof emerges that this novel coronavirus is artificial (they find a nursery rhyme encoded in the nucleotide sequence as some kind of “Easter egg” or something like that) the Chinese are unlikely to pursue the issue as it is an act of war and there is only one possible response if it is confronted. The Chinese really don’t want to go down that road. The Chinese may even go along with the empire’s “escaped Chinese bioweapon” meme that is being pushed hard at the moment in the West in order to avoid war. Because of this I am half expecting the Chinese to “admit” that there was a protocol breach at their lab in Wuhan that led to this outbreak (an infected bat escaped, or a hungry lab worker started munching on lab animals, or whatever). That will not change my opinion that this issue is part of an ongoing state of war by the empire against China.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 3 2020 14:56 utc | 195

Posted by: dave | Feb 3 2020 14:41 utc | 195

90%+ of the infected outside China are Chinese and the only Caucasian i know of is a German guy who had mild symptoms and went back to work after a few days.

What are the chances that the 90% figure is because Chinese outside of China would be extremely likely to have been:
a) traveling outside of China having contracted nCov within China before leaving
b) have received friends or family traveling outside of China and carrying nCov
Chinese in general associate closely within their own ethnic, linguistic and cultural circles. This factor may concentrate viral infections originating in China within global Chinese communities.

Posted by: Arch Mangle | Feb 3 2020 15:02 utc | 196

William Gruff | Feb 3 2020 14:56 utc | 198 I read, prior to 2000 I think, a Russian bioweapon boffin who seemed, I thought, to describe a terminal bioagent consisting of a 100% lethal virus encapsulated in a plague sort of bacteria, such that the treatment of the bacterial infection, and cure, hatched out the virus, which would have by then spread more or less globally. I think it was derived in part from smallpox – a highly souped-up form. I have no idea whether or not that was bs.
Excuse the hyperbole, I know few things are “100%”.
And please forgive any muddle…man that was 20 years ago. Memory’s are plastic.
………..
About bats. Though tempted to explore, as a kid, old mines and caves…I held back. Because I knew the general danger from bats and their jolly infections.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 3 2020 15:06 utc | 197

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 3 2020 14:56 utc | 198

The Chinese are unlikely to pursue the issue as it is an act of war and there is only one possible response if it is confronted.

They are likely to respond in the same way they responded to the US and Soviet nuclear threat: intensively develop similar bio-weapons of their own while diplomatically informing a number of countries of their preparedness to use them against (suspected) attackers.
I believe we’re moving into a new era of M.A.D between the superpowers, one where the central weapon of choice is not nuclear but biological.

Posted by: Arch Mangle | Feb 3 2020 15:15 utc | 198

People who have a normal flu can now be early on distinguished from those who have caught the virus.
What this actually means is that people who have the “normal” flu but not this virus, can now be distinguished from people who have the flu AND this virus.
This new test kit does NOT establish that the people with the flu who also have this virus are suffering flu systems BECAUSE of this virus, although that is the narrative you’re supposed to take from the way this is presented. Doesn’t make it so.

Posted by: ScuzzaMan | Feb 3 2020 15:19 utc | 199

use searchterm> A hidden chapter in history John W. Powell
vivisection of US soldiers and GW in China W2 et sec
cost 20 bucks to read the whole article…gee, why is that?
They did their best to put Powell away…treason, sedition…they say the guilty flee when confronted.

Posted by: Walter | Feb 3 2020 15:36 utc | 200