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January 03, 2020

U.S. Will Come To Regret Its Assassination of Qassim Soleimani

Today the U.S. declared war on Iran and Iraq.

War is what it will get.

Earlier today a U.S. drone or helicopter killed Major General Qassim Soleimani, the famous commander of the Iranian Quds ('Jerusalem') force, while he left the airport of Baghdad where he had just arrived. He had planned to attend the funeral of the 31 Iraqi soldiers the U.S. had killed on December 29 at the Syrian-Iraqi border near Al-Qaim.


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The Quds force is the external arm of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. Soleiman was responsible for all relations between Iran and political and militant movements outside of Iran. Hajji Qassim advised the Lebanese Hisbullah during the 2006 war against Israel. His support for Iraqi groups enabled them to kick the U.S. invaders out of Iraq. He was the man responsible for, and successful in, defeating the Islamic State in iraq and Syria. In 2015 Soleimani traveled to Moscow and convinced Russia to intervene in Syria. His support for the Houthi in Yemen enabled them to withstand the Saudi attackers.


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Soleimani had arrived in Baghdad on a normal flight from Lebanon. He did not travel in secret. He was picked up at the airport by Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes, the deputy commander of the al-Hashd al-Shaabi, an official Iraqi security force under the command of the Iraqi Prime Minister. The two cars they traveled in were destroyed in the U.S. attack. Both men and their drivers and guards died.


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The U.S. created two martyrs who will now become the models and idols for tens of millions of youth in the Middle East.


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The Houthi in Yemen, Hizbullah in Lebanon, Islamic Jihad in Palestine, the paramilitary forces in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere have all benefited from Soleimani's advice and support. They will all take actions to revenge him.

Moqtada al-Sadr, the unruly Shia cleric who commands millions of followers in Iraq, has given orders to reactivate his military branch 'Jaish al-Imam al-Mahdi'. Between 2004 and 2008 the Mahdi forces fought the U.S. occupation of Iraq. They will do so again.

The outright assassination of a commander of Soleimani's weight demands an Iranian reaction of at least a similar size. All U.S. generals or high politicians traveling in the Middle East or elsewhere will now have to watch their back. There will be no safety for them anywhere.

No Iraqi politician will be able to argue for keeping U.S. forces in the country. The Iraqi Prime Minister Abdel Mahdi has called for a parliament emergency meeting to ask for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops:

"The targeted assassination of an Iraqi commander is a violation of the agreement. It can trigger a war in Iraq and the region. It is a clear violation of the conditions of the U.S. presence in Iraq. I call on the parliament to take the necessary steps."

The National Security Council of Iran is meeting with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to "study the options of response". There are many such options. The U.S. has forces stationed in many countries around Iran. From now on none of them will be safe.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a statement calling for three days of public mourning and then retaliation.

“His departure to God does not end his path or his mission,” the statement said, “but a forceful revenge awaits the criminals who have his blood and the blood of the other martyrs last night on their hands.”

Iran will tie its response to the political calender. U.S. President Donald Trump will go into his reelection campaign with U.S. troops under threat everywhere. We can expect incidents like the Beirut barracks bombing to repeat themselves when he is most vulnerable.

Trump will learn that killing the enemy is the easy part of a war. The difficulties come after that happened.

In 2018 Soleimani publicly responded to a tweet in which Trump had threatened Iran:

“Mr. Trump, the gambler! […] You are well aware of our power and capabilities in the region. You know how powerful we are in asymmetrical warfare. Come, we are waiting for you. We are the real men on the scene, as far as you are concerned. You know that a war would mean the loss of all your capabilities. You may start the war, but we will be the ones to determine its end.

Since May 2019 the U.S. deployed at least 14,800 additional soldiers to the Middle East. Over the last three days airborne elements and special forces followed. The U.S.has clearly planned for an escalation.

Soleimani will be replaced by Brigadier General Ismail Ghani, a veteran of the Iran-Iraq war who has for decades been active in the Quds Force and has fought against ISIS in Syria. He is an officer of equal stature and capability.

Iran's policies and support for foreign groups will intensify. The U.S. has won nothing with its attack but will feel the consequences for decades to come. From now on its position in the Middle East will be severely constrained. Others will move in to take its place.

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Zionists were co-perpetrators of the Holocaust.

Zionists tricked hundreds of thousands of their own onto the trains to Auschwitz.

Zionists were the trusted leaders in the Jewish community of Hungary.

The Zionists were working for the Nazis and told their people that they would be taken to
a place of safety. Hundreds of thousands trusted their leaders. The Nazis rewarded the treachery
and the Zionists were given passage to Palestine. These leaders became leaders in the new State of Israel.

The Supreme Court of Israel ruled that it was alright to have done this as the Jews of Hungary were not worth saving.

It was kicked upstairs to the Supreme Court as the first trial involved a leader in the Israeli government
and it failed miserably for the government.

first trial search: Halevi verdict Kastner 1955

Posted by: librul | Jan 3 2020 13:56 utc | 101

@ Erelis | Jan 3 2020 13:49 utc | 98 (What will Iran do?)


Well...

"Elijah J. Magnier
‏ @ejmalrai
2h2 hours ago

I was just told:
"#US paved the way for random assassinations of any head of state or Minister by violating intrntnl law & target assassinating Two commanders in two states on #Iraq soil. The response (s) will be at the same level. No US institution/official abroad will be safe"."

Eye for eye proportionality. Very Christian, Very Moslem, But not very zionist. They, by the way...say
what They desire...


Nardeep Pujji
‏ @AWAKEALERT

Believe It Or Not

Ex-Mossad chief Meir Dagan tells CBS News Americans should fight #Iran for Israel because Israel is scared to do it alone.

Israel Will Not Attack Iran Because They Fear #Iran Will Retaliate - Wants US To Do It For Them.
#lawlessIsrael #IranWar @TruNews

So there is a plan...

Does anyone expect that to work? Persia's been around for 5000 years. They learn.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 13:58 utc | 102

Ah, but you see, while all this craziness is going on, the Southern border is basically open to any third-world refugee who wants to come here, the Senate is on the brink of massively increasing legal immigration to gut the professional US workforce, another tax cut for billionaires was enacted, the US treasury gave another half trillion dollars to the big banks for reasons that no mortal can understand, "surprise' medical billing was defended by "progressive" democrats, homelessness and poverty are increasing, we continued to waste a trillion dollars a year on pointless winless foreign wars that only benefit politically connected defense contractors, and so on.

So with the public totally fixated on impeachment and now Iran Iran Iran Putin Putin Putin, for the people at the top, it's all going swimmingly.

Posted by: TG | Jan 3 2020 14:03 utc | 103

More wars for Israel.

www.fantompowa.net/Flame/judge_halevi.htm

Posted by: librul | Jan 3 2020 14:06 utc | 104

I fully agree with this piece.

This US action is by far the most dangerous and literally insane. It is a crime, a terrorist act, that should be met by all-round condemnation and its perpetrators should be ostracised. But no, not in the western billionaire owned press, not even in this discussion. Lies are pouring in to justify what can not be justified. That demonstrates, again, how humans have lost moral compass, their humanity and dignity demolished by savage capitalism.

This grave crime is also such a cowardly act, and so deeply shameful - killing a man who was openly going to attend a funeral! And killing him and everyone with him from the air. One can only feel digust.

The US, Israel and the UK are the scourge of our world, with the help of the absolutely awful EU governments as accomplices.And we're just watching. But the constantly increasing price for taking these accelerating crimes lightly will be for us to pay.

Posted by: JB | Jan 3 2020 14:07 utc | 105

Who benefits?
- not the USA citizens
- not Trump
- not Israel

Imho only Netanyahu who needs a war to stay in power

Posted by: Xaderp | Jan 3 2020 14:08 utc | 106

Posted by: HTG | Jan 3 2020 13:36 utc | 93

"The Oil price has to go up.... fracking Usa losing only money.."

Looking at the perspective from an eagle's eye which also takes in the Bolivia coup and whatever they plan to do to stop Nordstream, it all takes shape as a plan to drive up the cost of oil and gas for the benefit of all Extreme-Energy-Economy factions - fracking, "unconventional oil" like shale oil and the tar sands, and the green-industrial fake-"renewables" crew as well (lithium etc.).

Of course that's insane - no consumerist regime could sustain such costs and demand destruction will be rampant as the depression grips, but then no sane person thinks the neocon war-mongers or the extreme-energy "growth"-mongers (mostly the same people) are sane.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 3 2020 14:17 utc | 107

- I think Trump was backed into a corner and was forced to approve this attack.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 3 2020 14:18 utc | 108

willie (1):

Because that wouldn't start a global nuclear war.

Do you think as little as, or less than, Trump before you post? Answer: Yes.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 14:21 utc | 109

Bolton celebrates Soleimani Murder
https://www.rt.com/usa/477386-bolton-cheers-soleimani-death/amp/

But who advised trump to authorise the kill ?
Israelis involved here

Posted by: Brian | Jan 3 2020 14:26 utc | 110

The stupid neocons want their war -- they'll get their war.

Only not on their terms.

The name of the game is "asymmetric," as MG Soleimani acknowledged in his 2018 statement.

More than twice the tonnage of bombs were dropped during the Vietnam war as was dropped during the entirety of WWII -- and we still lost.

Never forget that we are on their turf.

Posted by: Steve M | Jan 3 2020 14:28 utc | 111

Iraqis let the USA occupy their state . That’s why you have So many murdered people.
Nothing good will Happen until the vile Americans are driven out

Posted by: Brian | Jan 3 2020 14:28 utc | 112

‘Ask for the withdrawal of us troops ‘
Is a weak impotent response
The USA should be driven out

Posted by: Brian | Jan 3 2020 14:30 utc | 113

"The Iraqi Prime Minister Abdel Mahdi has called for a parliament emergency meeting to ask for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops...."

He. Hehe. Hehehe.

You said ASK.

Posted by: timbers | Jan 3 2020 14:31 utc | 114

The only god thing to come of the unfortunate death of Soleimani is that it'll lead to a repeat of Saigon, April 1975, in the Middle East. From everything I've read Soleimani was a great intelligent leader. He truly is a martyr in the fight against U.S. and Israel/jew terrorism.

Posted by: Deathevokation | Jan 3 2020 14:31 utc | 115

Made in Québec:

Such an overreaction, besides causing a world wide nuclear war, wouldn't be very good for the land of Québec.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 14:31 utc | 116

Can anyone explain why Americans are always on the side of Jewish perverts?

Posted by: Noel | Jan 3 2020 14:31 utc | 117

Can anyone explain why Americans are always on the side of J e wish pe rverts?

Posted by: Noel | Jan 3 2020 14:32 utc | 118

This hit is also testament to how very clueless Trump is on anything. In the great game, there're unspoken rules and all side adhere to it - state level actors are off limit. Trump the rookie, just broke the rules.

Posted by: Zico | Jan 3 2020 13:54 utc | 100

Wha rules? Like in "rule based world order"? RBWO goes as follows. If USA does it or approve it, it is presumed OK. Caveats may arise if there is goes against interagency consensus or not a single other NATO country approves. Here Germany is already on the record that the murder was "understandable". And so far, not a NATO peep against. Classic "concert of democracies".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 3 2020 14:32 utc | 119

Sorry if I don't howl with wolves and don't buy the view of Iran will to unleash wreak havoc. Precisely because the coup of relation US-Iran is full and next drop will trigger full war. Trump is in domestic difficulties, and a foreign war is welcomed. A full war for weakened Iran economy and population is hard to sustain. Slogan don't fill the fridge or generate electricity, even when you plug it in on radio Quran. Trump do not need to invade Iran, it can hasten the collapse of an ailing economy under its own weight. How much oil refinery distillation column (targets) is there in Iran ? Can they even repair them ? what would be the consequence on daily life, daily economy if they all went down ? who can send enough petrol to fix the need of an 80 millions nation and at what cost ?
Iran is nowadays much much vulnerable to a air assault than Irak was in 1991. 50% of Iran population is non Farsi.
Next we can discuss the electricity grid targets. But please think in months, years even to realize the mullah are far from being in strong position, on the contrary, the people mood are against the regime.

Posted by: murgen23 | Jan 3 2020 14:33 utc | 120

librul:

"The Nazis rewarded the treachery and the Zionists were given passage to Palestine. These leaders became leaders in the new State of Israel."


Have any documentation for this?

Also there were plenty of Zionists who'd been in Palestine for decades before the Holocaust.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 14:40 utc | 121

librul:

"The Nazis rewarded the treachery and the Zionists were given passage to Palestine. These leaders became leaders in the new State of Israel."


Have any documentation for this?

Also there were plenty of Zionists who'd been in Palestine for decades before the Holocaust.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 14:40 utc | 122

the mullah are far from being in strong position, on the contrary, the people mood are against the regime.

Posted by: murgen23 | Jan 3 2020 14:33 utc | 120

Standard view of the Iranian exiles, particularly those who left at the time of the revolution. They've been saying the same thing for forty years. The upper class didn't like losing power. But it's not them who keep electing the present government.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 3 2020 14:43 utc | 123

"I think Trump was backed into a corner and was forced to approve this attack." --Willy2 @108

After the fact. That is how the neocons have been handling Trump lately. They are not giving him time to make Twitter posts in opposition to war. They are presenting him with fait accompli. The American population will do nothing to impede the march to war, and indeed many are cheering for it, so Trump has no choice but to go along.

There is only so much a few lone sane individuals can do in the face of mass insanity.

What can Trump do? I suppose he could make a Twitter post along the lines of "The assassination of Soleimani is a war crime and a violation of American and international law. We are investigating who is responsible in the US government and we will prosecute them with the maximum penalties available," after which there would be pressure for such an investigation to go forward. If Trump were to do that, though, I doubt he would make it out of his Mar a Lago bunker alive. The CIA-captive mass media in the US would go along with the narrative that Trump was assassinated by an Iranian and that Russians had hacked his Twitter account and were responsible for his last post. Moronic and psychotic Americans would swallow that whole, with the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" types swallowing it gleefully.

And then Americans would happily continue prosecuting their next war of aggression anyway.

Everyone should know by now that there is only one way for this insanity to end. The only question now is how much of civilization is the world going to allow America to take down on its way out?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 3 2020 14:44 utc | 124

Trump-Kushner is no different now than Hillary, Bushes, Obama and AIPAC Congress. Trump-Epstein is a friend of Larry "pull it" Silverstein and Bibi. Trump is just as bad a Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Nadler, Feinstein, Blumenthal,Harvey Weinstein, Epstein, Maxwell and the rest of the real 9-11 gang. Pompeo is a disgusting AIPAC firster for Isri-hell.

Posted by: Jerry | Jan 3 2020 14:45 utc | 125

I have to cautiously go with Ab Initio. Iran handled itself well enough in the Stena Impero episode; but that aside, warnings of "grave consequences" are a much-debased currency in the Middle East. It's not at all clear to me that Iran c.s. are willing and able to kill Americans in the required numbers--which may well be why somebody thought that the Dark Throne could get away with this stunt.

What is it that actually happened here: the "brilliant" Soleimani saw in front of his nose that Trump is gleefully bombing people left and right in Iraq, and yet he still completely misjudged his personal safety there. He won't have been the last to have underestimated the sheer bloody-mindedness of the Dark Throne.

I can't put much faith in the Iraqi Parliament either. Most of the time it seems they can simply be bought, and Uncle Sam still controls the dollar press.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jan 3 2020 14:50 utc | 126

@Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 14:40 utc | 121

The best documentation is the court records of Izrael itself.

As you can imagine, Zionists have posted tons of smoke out there, written books and documentaries.
So good luck you will need it.

www.fantompowa.net/Flame/judge_halevi.htm

By the way, the particular Zionist leader focused on in the link, Kastner, testified
at Nuremberg as a Zionist leader on behalf of several high ranking Nazis that he had
worked with and he got them a walk. At the time of the above referenced trial it
was only known that he had testified on behalf of one Nazi - Becker(?)

He got them a walk. Becker went on to be a wealthy industrialist in Germany after the war.

Posted by: librul | Jan 3 2020 15:00 utc | 127

Unfortunately the longer Iran await a response the less likely it will be framed as legitimate. The question is of course also if Iran could or even should respond, there is nothing stopping Trump from bombing Iran altogether from now on.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 15:01 utc | 128

@43 Hi, Kirk.

Posted by: g | Jan 3 2020 15:01 utc | 129

I see screen name Deathevokation (115) just can't avoid anti-Semitism.

So cool./s

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 15:01 utc | 130

Thinking back, as VP (under Eisenhower) Nixon was the WH POC for the cia plans to murder Fidel and invade Cuba. Kennedy got mousetrapped by that plan, and balked....plan went wrong...a year later he had Ivan's rockets in Cuba. A year later Kennedy was dead. The Nixon coup ran the same way. The point is that Presidents are always subject to mousetraps. FDR too was mousetrapped into accepting Truman, which is to say a soft coup that decided the awful bomb drops, Potsdam, and created the so-called cold war. So yes, the formal responsibility always rests with the Prez, but the actual actions accrue due to grey men. Trumpie the ignorant mobbed-up New York cartoon clown has been mousetrapped since his youth, and as a con-man should outta known the one mark no con man can beat, the mark inside.

The proportionate Iranian response is global in scope. No US person, particularly political or officer class persons, will now be free of fear. No matter where the actual responsibility is, one might say that the mousetrapped clown has himself mousetrapped his entire country. When Marandi advises US persons to get out he's giving friendly advice.

Brother Comrade Russel Texas B recently said that the Donbass/Russia v NATO/US goes hot in April... NATO has buildup for "games" in 2020. Texas expects a US ultimatum to Russia.

Context anybody? Is opening to W3, unless cooler heads or a meteor or such unforeseen event stops or postpones it.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 15:01 utc | 131

Zico 100 : Trump has never shown any interest in any rule if it was not in his interest. Nobody has found any way to change that so one have to integrate the fact rather than wanning on it.

Posted by: murgen23 | Jan 3 2020 15:03 utc | 132

Dear B, unfortunately, Tronald is not as war-adverse as you thought and also I hoped at times. He'll do anything to get reelected, literally. He now expects corresponding reactions, which legitimize a very large military u.s. deployment. This will take time, he expects that the actual war will break out only relatively shortly before the elections.

And as you know, you have to support a warring president...

Posted by: Pnyx | Jan 3 2020 15:04 utc | 133

The psyop of a peace-loving Trump that wants to leave the Middle East is what killed Soleimani.

He might be alive he had been more cautious in his travel plans.

Trump apologist trolls did a great job for the Empire.

New meme? killer trolls

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 15:11 utc | 134

Prediction: De-capitation strikes will be a key part of USA battle plan.

Prediction: Escalation will continue whether Iran wants it or not.

Prediction: Russia and China can not remain neutral b/c if Iran falls the next step is Central Asia - which ends China's New Silk Road project and any prospect of extending SCO.

Prediction: Turkey will enter war on the side of USA/NATO. They may have already done a stealth mobilization.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 15:16 utc | 135

Wait for EU response, if they back US just one tiny bit I bet Iran will put also place europeans in the region under threat of retaliation.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 15:18 utc | 136

This is part of a campaign to start all-out hot war. Antiwar.com reports that US Marines also arrested an important Iraqi MP:


US Marines carried out arrest raids inside Baghdad, capturing high ranking Iraqi MP Hadi al-Amiri and militia leader Qais al-Khazali.

Uncle Sam has started a Cuban Missile Crisis level event. Khrushchev saved the world from nuclear war in 1962. I'm not at all sure there is anyone to stop US madness this time. I'm not an anxious person by disposition, but I did not sleep well last night. Probably not tonight either.

In a nuclear war, the Survivors Will Envy The Dead

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 3 2020 15:19 utc | 137

The jews have never beaten Lebanon in their history, and 2006 was a major hit against their desire to expand their illegal territory. Even now they know they can't beat Hezbollah. Killing Soleimani was their petty revenge for losses throughout the Middle East, and it is gonna lead to the U.S. exit from the Middle East in the coming years. It'll be interesting to see how Iran's war of attrition affects the upcoming Presidential election. Will we have another false flag to rally the uninformed crowd to war? Will Trump lose because Americans are sick of interventionist war?

Posted by: Deathevokation | Jan 3 2020 15:20 utc | 138

Prediction: USA will be invited into Iran by a Guido-like opposition figure to 1) safeguard humanitarian aid and 2)combat ISIS .

Prediction: Western fake left will champion demand that USA accept the invitation.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 15:20 utc | 139

Probably already been dealt with here but...

"Trump repeatedly said Obama would start war with Iran to get re-elected"
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/476631-trump-repeatedly-said-obama-would-start-war-with-iran-to-get-elected

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 15:24 utc | 140

@Posted by: El Sid | Jan 3 2020 10:53 utc | 39

I was meaning yesterday night and today´s wee hiurs, while some of us remained awake waiting for the development of events eventhough not being such upper grade analysts...

Only Mark Sleboda, whose time was quite later than mine in Moscow kept posting during all night and early morning...

One would think that such upper grade analysts as Magnier, B, Lang, or any other of the size would have someone to awake them in case they were sleeping while WWIII was kinda starting...Just The Saker chose to go to bed at around 12 midnight, 6am here, which would be a nornal hour for me when nothing relevant happens...

I found quite strange for analysts on geopolitics... I remained awake and only got five hours of sleep after I could no more ( but well, who can even sleep well with all this ongoing???...), and I make my living in other field...and even have a lot of things to fix at home since I have no service here...but this is a unique event on a decade and even a century...How in the Earth would upper grade geopolitical analysts go to sleep while such events are developing is beyond me...Has no sense...unless....keep my reflections and conclusions of yesterday for me...but the sounding silences were quite illustrative and sustaining some of my suspicions of years ago about "analysts" and "alt-media"....Only I would say that some people seemed not so surprised, most probably had privileged information, and thus, in front of the lack of shock were to sleep a pierna suelta so relaxed as any other day...

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 3 2020 15:30 utc | 141

It was Qassim Soleimani who was in Moscow many times, BEFORE the Russian Federation went 'all-in' in Syria September 2015.


https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Syria+Russia+2015&t=ffcm&ia=web
He was a brilliant military strategist, who after these meetings had convinced V.Putin & Russian Military of a....very very effective 'game plan' to free the Syrian People of the wahhabbi-terrorists & jizzreali-mercenaries.


Yes. Brilliant Man.


Besides this characteristic, Qassim Soleimani was a man of faith.
Unafraid to travel openly, knowing Our God would be with him both in Life & Death.

that reminds me of a similar case of General Kutuzov of Russia who went in 1810 and persuaded the Ottoman Empire NOT to attack Russia
from the south simultaneous with Napoleon attacking from the west. Very strategic planners AND inspirational military leaders when needed.

Posted by: observer | Jan 3 2020 15:32 utc | 142

Gruff @124:

... forced to approve this attack." --Willy2 @108

After the fact. That is how the neocons have been handling Trump lately... Trump has no choice but to go along.

There is only so much a few lone sane individuals can do in the face of mass insanity.

What can Trump do?


This is apologist BS.

Eric Trump boasted of the attack BEFORE IT HAPPENED.
He has deleted tweet but it was captured by twitter readers.

Why would Trump's son BOAST about an attack that his father doesn't want to do?

Well, he wouldn't.

Trump is a team player. He wants to move the ball as much as the rest of his Deep State team. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a Trump apologist.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 15:37 utc | 143

Documentation for Jay @121: https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338

Posted by: bobcat | Jan 3 2020 15:40 utc | 144

Again, I see the MAGA crowd on twitter still not comprehending the gravity/stupidity of what their chosen one has done.

This is not some CIA creation like Osama or Baghdadi moment.

All their enthusiasm will die down once the body bags start coming home.

Posted by: Zico | Jan 3 2020 15:45 utc | 145

[reposted from the earlier, apparently dying thread]

Wow...well, I started to say I'm shocked at the new heights of idiocy and criminality of the US, but then I realized I suppose I'm not. I am a bit surprised that Trump is owning the strike--not because I think he's an intelligent foreign policy strategist or a nice guy or whatever, but precisely because he is a narcissistic, cunning politician who until now has generally seemed to read the US public's weariness of foreign wars better than most politicians and capitalize on it. But he's always seemed to have this irrational hatred of Iran apparently carried over from the '70s, so whether that weakness has been exploited by his political enemies (and enemies of peace), or whether he's willingly leading the charge in all things anti-Iran, this will almost certainly turn out to be his defining mistake. I don't know how Iran and its friends will respond, but it looks pretty clear that we are now firmly on the road to serious escalation. There are some Trump lovers and Islamaphobes who will love this, but all of those who voted for Trump not because they liked him but because they couldn't stomach the warmongering of Clinton, or who thought Trump could successfully take on the "Swamp," will be done with him. I suspect he's just lost the next election.

What hasn't been discussed much here yet, and I'd love to hear from creative barfly minds, is what are some of Iran's options. They must respond. I knew Iran was safe while the US carrier group was in the gulf, but now that it's back out anything's on the table. About the most obvious play without overt killing would be to announce that they have just been attacked, an act of war no less heinous than Pearl Harbor or 9/11 (I know, I know...), so until they can properly assess the military threat against them they have no choice but to close the Straits until further notice. That would get the world's attention in a hurry, the biggest problem is that it would hurt some of Iran's friends, like China, more than the US directly. The other big move would be if they can persuade the Iraqi government to order the immediate withdrawal of all US troops (and mercs), and then offer to assist in the implementation of those orders. Any other thoughts?

Posted by: J Swift | Jan 3 2020 15:48 utc | 146

I read in Sputnik that Trump has said that Qassim "should have been taken out earlier" because he "was hated" - words which must give a number of his fellow Americans pause for dark thought.

Posted by: montreal | Jan 3 2020 15:52 utc | 147

@58 French US/NATO Radio, you mean (there ain't no other).

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jan 3 2020 15:52 utc | 148

This is a Shah Massoud Moment. We just don't realize it yet.

Posted by: ebolax | Jan 3 2020 15:54 utc | 149

As usual the original causes of the problems are not present in the MSM or govt statements. Where was the investigation of the Katyusha rocket fire to accurately determine the source of the attack or why the target was chosen? It makes no sense for Iran or Hezbollah to do a direct escalation in Iraq.

I checked out Reuters this morning to see a headline that the US seeks deescalation with Iran after the attack on Soleimani. That doesn't make sense anymore than bombing North Korea was going to drive them to make peace.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 3 2020 15:54 utc | 150

Jon-in-AU had this response @46;

Kirk@42

"You are an odd person. I've not seen any sharia-based empire building around here, perhaps it is all in your mind."

"I am wary of overly-religious types, but Islam is no threat to me."

"Happy-clappy, neo-conservative, rapture-ready, war-mongering psychopaths on the other hand scare the willies outta me."

Agreed, and thanks for your post...

With the empire in control of global finances via the reserve currency thing, not to worry, the parties involved will cave, IMO.

If not, self-absorbed America will happily go along with any war.

Posted by: ben | Jan 3 2020 15:55 utc | 151

Kali 2
Tulsi could go to Iran but nothing would be accomplished, the media would ignore any message of peace, and Tulsi would be smeared as "Tehran Tulsi" by both right and left.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 3 2020 16:00 utc | 152

Evidently the creation of the war was underway in June of '19 .

"What war with Iran could look like"

militarytimes dot com/news/2019/06/04/

Contains many gems, including "... it’s unclear what victory might look like."

Getting the fodder units ready for dying, hoooraahh!

Right.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 16:01 utc | 153

The War Prayer
by Mark Twain, 1904
https://www.antiwar.com/orig/twain1.html

Posted by: Mao | Jan 3 2020 16:01 utc | 154

@ Russ Hitler did not want to start WW2. That's a mainstream fabrication. Hitler had solid reasons to believe that he could grab part of Poland and Britain and France would do nothing. He had gotten away with this three times before: the Saar in 1935, the Austrian Anschluss in March 1938, and then the seizure of Czechoslovakia in October 1938 even though Czechoslovakia was under the most solemn guarantees of protection by the British government and even though the Czechs increased Nazi war industry production by 45%. Look closely at the actions of Lord Halifax, Chamberlain and French prime minister Daladier, and you will realize these people were trying to stoke WW2. I'm not at all an apologist for the Nazis and BTW this was also the view of the Soviets, that London and Paris wanted Germany and the Soviets to engage in mutual destruction. We all need to wake up from the BS lies we swallowed, and this is one of many such lies.

Posted by: Salamander | Jan 3 2020 16:02 utc | 155

If the situation might escalate into open hostilities the papas & mamas of the USA might receive their boys and girls in bodybags with a label on it saying : "Fallen not for my country but in full service for Israel".
Something to be proud of?

If something like that is going to happen, the same mamas & papas have only themselves to thank for.
Sitting on your hands all these years, seeing your country gliding towards the drain and doing nothing is bad.
They not only are loosing parts of their family but also loosing their Republic.

Posted by: Blackeyes | Jan 3 2020 16:02 utc | 156

I'm still shaking my head. Can't help but think of the Pádraig Pearse speech: "...the fools, the fools, the fools!"

Posted by: J Swift | Jan 3 2020 16:02 utc | 157

The empire of chaos is at its last breaths, do not mistake yourselves with apparent strengths, it is coming down, every where. We will see in few weeks thousands of US military and mercenaries leaving Iraq and Syria, it will be a scene not to forget. Qassem's martyrdom will change the ME forever, it will fix issues faster since apartheid regime allies will fear hell and will amend with Iran, on the other side....no American will be safe in the ME....for a long time.

As in the Blade Runner final scenes...."I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."

Posted by: Canthama | Jan 3 2020 16:03 utc | 158

For jared, Gruff and librul peddling the laughable bullshet that Trump has his hands tied, take a cue from Daniel's post @92 and quit insulting everyone's intelligence with your slavish infatuation.

Trump is Commander of the most powerful military in the world!!! The peon at Defense was a nobody when Trump substituted the mad dog with no teeth only dentures with this present lackey.

Trump has been after Iran on all levels since he took office. He escalated forces in the Middle East in view of preparing for this and will escalate further. He is out to bring down Iran.

Trump is a raging megalomaniac, and fyi james, who is suddenly the house astrologer, Trump has a dominant rising Leo which knocks his Gemini off his chart and he proves it every day. Everyone mistakes Trump for his birth sign Gemini, when in fact he is dominant Leo in every sense. Leo takes orders from NO ONE. I should know, my father was a Leo. Leos who succumb to the worst of their nature rule with their ego that is oblivious to all reason and live to regret it spectacularly. My father succumbed to reason only when Saturn moved in and scorched the earth under him. Trump is no doubt ignorant of the fact that Saturn, aka the worst karma imaginable, is moving into opposition to his rising sign, Leo. That means that whatever he's doing now will have detrimental consequences once Saturn steamrolls into place in his life. He is succumbing to every worst aspect imaginable right now and will be overwhelmed by the consequences of his insane decisions.

However, unfortunately, such egomaniacs take a whole lot of collateral damage down with them and it will be irreversible for a long time if he is not replaced with a benign influence soon.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 3 2020 16:09 utc | 159

I don't think masters of Empire will regret what they have done. Masters of Empire are now fighting for petrodollar.

Posted by: Travis | Jan 3 2020 16:12 utc | 160

They claim the murder was defensive and to deter an attack. How did they know Soleimani was about to attack the US? Are they psychics?
This is typical Israeli action and logic. Kill some leader you don't like and then claim innocence when there is a response.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 3 2020 16:16 utc | 161

Posted by: Salamander | Jan 3 2020 16:02 utc | 156

"Hitler did not want to start WW2. That's a mainstream fabrication. Hitler had solid reasons to believe that he could grab part of Poland and Britain and France would do nothing. He had gotten away with this three times before: the Saar in 1935, the Austrian Anschluss in March 1938, and then the seizure of Czechoslovakia in October 1938...We all need to wake up from the BS lies we swallowed, and this is one of many such lies."

Hitler wanted war with Poland, which is all I mentioned. The rest you projected on your own.

BTW no one "got away with..." the Saar, it voted in a League of Nations plebiscite to return to Germany, as provided for in the Versailles treaty. Maybe you got that confused with the remilitarization of the Rhineland the next year.

You also left out the straw that broke the British camel's back, the invasion of the rump Czech republic in spring 1939.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 3 2020 16:17 utc | 162

Linsday graham is already threatening iran saying dont you respond or we will bomb your oil refinieries. Interestingly he let slip that when he was informed of the plan he was taken back, so even an uber-hawk like Linsday was surprised by this escalation and is now trying to intimdated the Irianians to back down. I think the Americans are starting to realize they fucked up royal and now they dont control how the situation will develop

Posted by: Kadath | Jan 3 2020 16:17 utc | 163

If there was the slightest doubt that the buffoon Trump takes his orders from Tel Aviv, at least as regards the Middle East, he just removed it

Posted by: Nick | Jan 3 2020 16:24 utc | 164

Plomo o plata. You can take the silver or you can take the lead. It was a very public execution telling everyone there is a bag of loot waiting for you if you work with us. They will probably pick up 100 more defectors working inside these organizations who choose the silver over the lead.

Trump has about as much to do with the planning as my grandmother. They present problems and solutions to him. The NSC drives the bus on this stuff

Posted by: dltravers | Jan 3 2020 16:24 utc | 165

Israel is certainly behind that murder. It confirms how terrified Israel is by the growing power of Iran in the region and its increased isolation.
By killing suleimani, they expect Iran to retaliate against the USA and this trigger the USA to enter into devastating war in the region.
Iran should retaliate against Israel and NOT directly against the USA. Targetting Netanyahu is a good option.. maybe that's why he came back home quickly. He is certainly the best target that Iran should hit.

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 3 2020 16:30 utc | 166

Israel is certainly behind that murder. It confirms how terrified Israel is by the growing power of Iran in the region and its increased isolation.
By killing suleimani, they expect Iran to retaliate against the USA and this trigger the USA to enter into devastating war in the region.
Iran should retaliate against Israel and NOT directly against the USA. Targetting Netanyahu is a good option.. maybe that's why he came back home quickly. He is certainly the best target that Iran should hit.

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 3 2020 16:30 utc | 167

Israel is certainly behind that murder. It confirms how terrified Israel is by the growing power of Iran in the region and its increased isolation.
By killing suleimani, they expect Iran to retaliate against the USA and this trigger the USA to enter into devastating war in the region.
Iran should retaliate against Israel and NOT directly against the USA. Targetting Netanyahu is a good option.. maybe that's why he came back home quickly. He is certainly the best target that Iran should hit.

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 3 2020 16:30 utc | 168

The price of bread went up at my local shop in a small Andalucian province this morning. A coincidence for sure. But whenever the price of bread goes up you can be sure the value of money falls correspondingly. As the first swallow heralds the arrival of spring, under these circumstances, a rise in the price of bread signals war.

Posted by: Bryan Hemming | Jan 3 2020 16:31 utc | 169

not to "victim blame" or anything, but who the actual fuck thought sending him on a "normal" flight and then having a leisurely drive down the road was a good idea? nasrallah doesn't go to take a piss without a full cell and gps blackout plus 20 bodyguards and that's the smart way to do it. that's why he's alive.

we've all seen recent articles about prick snitches in the
iraqi military. the only government more goofy that iraq's right now is israel's and both of those spell trouble. the US and israel have been more psychotic and petulant than usual lately (an astounding feat). why he picked now to stroll into the open with a neon sign flashing "drone me plz k thnx" above his head is beyond me.

supposedly oil prices are spiking on the news. maybe they need a sharper spike due to a possible attack on a certain saudi oil field or three. or maybe those exposed US snowflakes in syria should have an "accident". the strait of hormuz could turn into quicksand for any non-iranian ships. whatever lysergic delusion made mike plumpguido (the probable "genius" behind this) think it was a good idea needs to be disproven with zero ambiguity.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 3 2020 16:33 utc | 170

Latest claim on neocons, liberals on twitter is that Soleilmani was behind the Benghazi attack. You cannot make this nonsense up. Propaganda is on full swing right now.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 16:34 utc | 171

Listen. The US, at Israel's behest, has occupied Iraq for 17 years. The US has occupied Germany and Japan for 75 years. So we know how to occupy, we're good at it. The USA has now been in Iraq for a quarter of the time we've held Germany and Japan. The uSa is not leaving Iraq or Syria as long as Israel is allowed to exist. Like it or not, and I don't like it, but That my friends is how I see it.

Posted by: Joetv | Jan 3 2020 16:37 utc | 172

@ Posted by: Salamander | Jan 3 2020 16:02 utc | 156

No. Documentation clearly prove Hitler definitely planned to colonize the USSR.

What Hitler didn't want was a war with the West (France, UK and USA). However, it's hard to think he ever realistically thought he could get away without one, since the humiliations of the Versailles Treaty left him with no other politically viable option that didn't include at least the invasion and defeat of France.

Hitler wanted an empire that could mirror the UK in the east. He didn't take the USA seriously because he didn't belive the liberal democratic model was stable enough (and he had some grounds for that at the time, since the USA was polarized between the isolationists and the interventionists, in what was apparently a deadlock).

His plan envisaged the conquest of all of European USSR, its divison in at least three provinces, each one ruled by a governor. Two of these governors were already known, were the USSR conquered, only the Siberian province was still vacant. The colonial system would be very similar to the Graeco-Roman one: there would be isolated cities (metropolises) inhabited by Germans (Aryans) surrounded by vast hinterland, to be cultivated for food by Slavic slaves.

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As for the topic itself.

I don't know how Iran will react.

However, if there's a hot war in the Middle East, it is very probable Iran will block the Hormuz Strait. If it manages to do so for a long enough period of time, oil prices will skyrocket and force the USA to invade and conquer Venezuela in order both to keep Wall Street stable and its logisitic line going.

If that happens, then we'll have a true World War, WWIII.

Posted by: vk | Jan 3 2020 16:38 utc | 173

A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism

This should do it! For the second and last time we are updating the transcript of Ben Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Posted by: Mao | Jan 3 2020 16:41 utc | 174

It makes sense to kill the top military commanders if you are about to start a war.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 3 2020 16:44 utc | 175

An ideal time for an Israeli FF on a US ship.

Posted by: ian.mac | Jan 3 2020 16:45 utc | 176

@ 119 "not a single other NATO country approves. Here Germany is already on the record that the murder was "understandable". And so far, not a NATO peep against. Classic "concert of democracies"."

President Macron of France has consulted with Putin and "called on Iran to return to full observance of its nuclear obligations and avoid any provocation."

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jan 3 2020 16:46 utc | 177

President Macron of France has consulted with Putin and "called on Iran to return to full observance of its nuclear obligations and avoid any provocation."

What a shameful behvior! Two nuclear states call on Iran to get back to a deal US have breached?!
There is no justice for Iran which should start working on nukes if they do not already have it. Enough of this behavior of telling Iran what to do when Iran have just been attacked!

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 16:49 utc | 178

Some commenters, and b, have mentioned the Beirut barracks bombing as if it was an Iranian job. Everything I have learned about it, the assault that killed 300 Marines, leads to Israel as the perp, just like the attack on the USS LIBERTY.

Posted by: Joetv | Jan 3 2020 16:50 utc | 179

This killing of the Iranian general was done for Israel as was the destruction of the middle east, all for zionist Israel the ruler of the ZUS.

This was all started by the joint Israeli and ZUS traitors attack on the WTC on 911 to be blamed on the Arabs and give the zionists the excuse to destroy the mideast for their greater Israel agena.

Zionists are destroying the mideast and America.

Posted by: Gray Wolf | Jan 3 2020 16:52 utc | 180

Read Deuteronomy if you want to know what the next step in Israeli foreign / military / domestic and occupation policy will be to establish Eretz Ysrael from the Nile to the Euphrates. You won't have to read far....

Posted by: Thom Prentice | Jan 3 2020 16:53 utc | 181

82,83,

Ah,OK,I thought from your post 66,Emma Skye was the name of an independant radio station.
Thanks ,any way for replying.I've seen some photos of a not very large crowd of youngsters on Tahrir,but no signs upheld,so hard to say what they are protesting about,they did not look particularly cheering something neither.

Posted by: willie | Jan 3 2020 16:54 utc | 182

IMO the critical juncture is if the Iraqis can formally legislate the demand for the USA to leave. If they can do that they can get the whole free world on their side including the UN. In fact, I predict a UN resolution probably before this day ends. If Iraq cannot and I wouldn't discount a drone strike on the parliament, then asymmetrical war is their only option.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jan 3 2020 16:58 utc | 183

Lindsey Graham is pleasantly surprised by a lot of things Trump does.

The U.S. can't turn around now and pretend: Oops! Trump misfired and cremated your best general and hero, now let's de-escalate.

Iran must respond--methodically. First it should capitalize on public outrage in both Iraq and Iran to mobilize overwhelming masses of public sentiment against this criminal act and clear provocation for war and use this unified show of strength as support for whatever move it makes in retaliation. Without a doubt it should use the momentum offered at this time while outrage is raw to then make an unprecedented, unified move against the OCCUPIER.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 3 2020 17:02 utc | 184

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 15:01 utc | 130

It's funny how simply identifying those whose interests are served by and who had the means and opportunity to advance the agenda under which we all suffer can be swept away by saying the magic words: anti-Semitism.

Sometimes you need to call a spade a spade.

Posted by: Information_Agent | Jan 3 2020 17:02 utc | 185

Ralph Conner

Exactly Iraq must demand the departure of american soldiers, diplomats now, what are they waiting for?! Are they corrupted by american money wired in the background?

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 17:03 utc | 186

Ralph Conner 184

I doubt USA is leaving under any circumstance.

=
Iraqis can formally legislate the demand for the USA to leave

USA isn't wanted in Syria but they stay anyway.

They stay for counter-ISIS operations under UN 2249. UN 2249 applies to Iraq as well as Syria.

=
predict a UN resolution

No. USA and friends (UK, France) will veto any UN resolution that is adverse to USA/NATO.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 17:07 utc | 187

The Americans like to call others cowards while they kill and maim with drones from safe places, in their illegal wars for Israel interest, and at the command of Israel and their zionist and neocon minions.

Posted by: Al Sordi | Jan 3 2020 17:08 utc | 188

Zanno @187

Exactly Iraq must demand the departure of american soldiers, diplomats now, what are they waiting for?! Are they corrupted by american money wired in the background?


Well... the occupation's made a lot of people very rich who will hate to see the US leave - same sh*t in Kabul. Notice most of the politicians only condemn the US but stop short of calling for their departure. They know where their bread is buttered. :)

Iraqi parliarment/security services is basically devided into NATO Shias and pro-resistance Shias.. Money talks!!!

Regardless, what will happen next is not in their hands.. their incompetence at everything is what's brought them where they're today. The streets will decide.

Posted by: Zico | Jan 3 2020 17:08 utc | 189

Not just Soleimani

Four Senior Iranian Officers Killed In U.S. Attack To Kill Soleimani: Quds Force

Plus at least one Iran-friendly Iraqi PMU commander.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 17:17 utc | 190

Assuming it is a Campaign beginning against Iran, but liable to, or planned to, include the entire scope of "enemies" ... and that Texas is right about April (see mine previous) one can expect Kaliningrad to be a primary target. see the "Suwalki Gap"... geography and all that.

This then seems important>

"As soon as we can see the concentration of American aircraft on airfields in Europe - they cannot reach us in any other way - we will simply destroy those airfields by launching our medium-range ballistic missiles at those targets. Afterwards, our troops will go on offensive in the Baltic direction and take control of the entire Baltic territory within 48 hours. NATO won't even have time to come to its senses - they will see a very powerful military buildup on the borders with Poland. Then they will have to think whether they should continue the war. As a result, all this will end with NATO losing the Baltic States," Mikhail Alexandrov

and

"If the Americans launch a missile attack on Kaliningrad, then we will strike, say, Seattle, where largest US aircraft factories are located. Having destroyed those factories we will deprive the Americans of the possibility to build their aircraft. They will no longer be able to build up their fleet of military aircraft," said Mikhail Alexandrov.

(both quotes in Pravda, for whatever that may be worth.)

I think the ideas mooted that Iran will do asymmetrical action is valid. But does this somehow exclude CONUS? I do not see why it should not take place wherever the targets may be.

The attack put the US in the position of defending everywhere. That's a big disadvantage. Nobody can defend everywhere...

They must be desperate to start this war, quick, while they still have the means, maybe, to prevail...or maybe simply imagine they do.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 17:17 utc | 191

Zico

Yes. Seems like US is doing to Iraq what US did with Afghanistan

"The CIA Gave Karzai Bags Full of Cash for Over a Decade"
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/cia-gave-karzai-bags-full-cash-over-decade/315828/

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 17:21 utc | 192

What the heck. Maybe the Iranians should just say we give up and we are selling off assets.
Starting with these piles of Stinger missiles from the 80's. 1000 dollars a pop, shipping extra. EBay. Advertising them on Facebook.
Then maybe the people flying over flyover country\countries might better appreciate the social contract that makes their lives possible. Or at least their trophy wives might get nervous about that vacation to Bali.

Posted by: John Merryman. | Jan 3 2020 17:21 utc | 193

Iran's initial response might be simply to officially abandon the JCPOA and restart its nuclear program.

How long before they can test a nuke? Several months?

I highly doubt USA+allies will sit on their hands until then.

Did Iran make a strategic error in not terminating JCPOA sooner?

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 17:34 utc | 194

Surprise! U.S. sending 3000 troops to the ME to escalate further. So now Trump has sent about 15,000 troops to the region.

I wrote earlier he was going to escalate and that's exactly what he's doing.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 3 2020 17:38 utc | 195

Qassem Soleimani assassination: Trump's new year fireworks will backfire

Middle east eye.

Seems well thought.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 17:40 utc | 196

@Jon_in_AU (27) Re: Jeffrey Epstein and the possibility that the Deep State may have found dirt regarding Trump in the raid on Epstein's properties.

Epstein was almost certainly part of a sex blackmail operation run by the Mossad and CIA. Hence, the Deep State would have already had all the dirt that had been collected on Trump (and others). You can read all about the Epstein affair in the excellent investigative series published online by MintPress.

Posted by: Rob | Jan 3 2020 17:59 utc | 197

I predict Iran will hit Israel first. This is will put Trump in a very tricky situation. He'll have tojustify sending US troops to die for Nuty-yahoo. Then they'll go after US generals in their bases. The Persian Gulf Sheikhs can wait their turn later. It'open season after all. Happy new year!!!

Posted by: Zico | Jan 3 2020 17:59 utc | 198

Question:

What response from Iran to the Suleimani assassination would qualify as a trigger for NATO article 5? Does article 5 apply unconditionally or are there circumstances that permit a No Thanks from a member country, and if so, what could such refusal be based on?

Posted by: augrr | Jan 3 2020 18:01 utc | 199

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