Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 3, 2020
U.S. Will Come To Regret Its Assassination of Qassim Soleimani

Today the U.S. declared war on Iran and Iraq.

War is what it will get.

Earlier today a U.S. drone or helicopter killed Major General Qassim Soleimani, the famous commander of the Iranian Quds ('Jerusalem') force, while he left the airport of Baghdad where he had just arrived. He had planned to attend the funeral of the 31 Iraqi soldiers the U.S. had killed on December 29 at the Syrian-Iraqi border near Al-Qaim.


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The Quds force is the external arm of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. Soleiman was responsible for all relations between Iran and political and militant movements outside of Iran. Hajji Qassim advised the Lebanese Hisbullah during the 2006 war against Israel. His support for Iraqi groups enabled them to kick the U.S. invaders out of Iraq. He was the man responsible for, and successful in, defeating the Islamic State in iraq and Syria. In 2015 Soleimani traveled to Moscow and convinced Russia to intervene in Syria. His support for the Houthi in Yemen enabled them to withstand the Saudi attackers.


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Soleimani had arrived in Baghdad on a normal flight from Lebanon. He did not travel in secret. He was picked up at the airport by Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes, the deputy commander of the al-Hashd al-Shaabi, an official Iraqi security force under the command of the Iraqi Prime Minister. The two cars they traveled in were destroyed in the U.S. attack. Both men and their drivers and guards died.



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The U.S. created two martyrs who will now become the models and idols for tens of millions of youth in the Middle East.


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The Houthi in Yemen, Hizbullah in Lebanon, Islamic Jihad in Palestine, the paramilitary forces in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere have all benefited from Soleimani's advice and support. They will all take actions to revenge him.

Moqtada al-Sadr, the unruly Shia cleric who commands millions of followers in Iraq, has given orders to reactivate his military branch 'Jaish al-Imam al-Mahdi'. Between 2004 and 2008 the Mahdi forces fought the U.S. occupation of Iraq. They will do so again.

The outright assassination of a commander of Soleimani's weight demands an Iranian reaction of at least a similar size. All U.S. generals or high politicians traveling in the Middle East or elsewhere will now have to watch their back. There will be no safety for them anywhere.

No Iraqi politician will be able to argue for keeping U.S. forces in the country. The Iraqi Prime Minister Abdel Mahdi has called for a parliament emergency meeting to ask for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops:

"The targeted assassination of an Iraqi commander is a violation of the agreement. It can trigger a war in Iraq and the region. It is a clear violation of the conditions of the U.S. presence in Iraq. I call on the parliament to take the necessary steps."

The National Security Council of Iran is meeting with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to "study the options of response". There are many such options. The U.S. has forces stationed in many countries around Iran. From now on none of them will be safe.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a statement calling for three days of public mourning and then retaliation.

“His departure to God does not end his path or his mission,” the statement said, “but a forceful revenge awaits the criminals who have his blood and the blood of the other martyrs last night on their hands.”

Iran will tie its response to the political calender. U.S. President Donald Trump will go into his reelection campaign with U.S. troops under threat everywhere. We can expect incidents like the Beirut barracks bombing to repeat themselves when he is most vulnerable.

Trump will learn that killing the enemy is the easy part of a war. The difficulties come after that happened.

In 2018 Soleimani publicly responded to a tweet in which Trump had threatened Iran:

“Mr. Trump, the gambler! […] You are well aware of our power and capabilities in the region. You know how powerful we are in asymmetrical warfare. Come, we are waiting for you. We are the real men on the scene, as far as you are concerned. You know that a war would mean the loss of all your capabilities. You may start the war, but we will be the ones to determine its end.

Since May 2019 the U.S. deployed at least 14,800 additional soldiers to the Middle East. Over the last three days airborne elements and special forces followed. The U.S.has clearly planned for an escalation.

Soleimani will be replaced by Brigadier General Ismail Ghani, a veteran of the Iran-Iraq war who has for decades been active in the Quds Force and has fought against ISIS in Syria. He is an officer of equal stature and capability.

Iran's policies and support for foreign groups will intensify. The U.S. has won nothing with its attack but will feel the consequences for decades to come. From now on its position in the Middle East will be severely constrained. Others will move in to take its place.

Comments

The fact that US now put even more thousands of troops on the border of Iran will give Iran more goalposts… Howver it also show that US might try to occupy small parts of Iran. Examples: Syria but also Iraq.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 18:09 utc | 201

USA is justifying the killing of Soleimani by claiming that he’s responsible for the killing and maiming of hundreds of US soldiers.
I doubt that Soleimani himself ever actually set up an IED in Iraq.
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Naturally, US media has NO BLAME WHATSOEVER for GW Bush who authorized an illegal war.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2020 18:10 utc | 202

Looking at this from the Iranian viewpoint. This is an obvious start to a war – whether, direct or indirect. (Asymetrical)
They will probably assume that there cannot be a return to the “status Quo”. The EU will side with the US and do nothing, the UN and other “international” Organisations are powerless (The US even controls visas). China and Russia know what is happening but will not commit their forces – yet. (The next target will be Kalingrad) They may however, accelerate deliveries of S400 or other useful military hardware. So Iran is more or less on it’s own for the moment.
BUT, The nearest and quickest way to get nuclear weapons is from Pakistan. (Shia Muslims). Iran already have the means of delivery.
A “Strait of Hormuz blockade” will not really help Iran as they also use it. BUT, “Oil” sources in the ME become extremely important. (examples; US in Syria or near Kirkuk in Iraq, Libyan fields etc.) and it can be expected that the US will try to control all the energy sources for their own benefit. (I have come to the conclusion that the US wants ALL energy to be controlled by themselves, to replace the dollar – but that is another thread). So some sabotage on Saudi Arabia might be used. Otherwise all the main action will be against those 800-1000 US bases, wherever they are. (Some are only arms dumps and some are fortresses in their own right.) The Navy is unlikely to be a target as too easy to make into “martyrs”. Tankers ? Probably.
The US itself is actually very vulnerable to sabotage of it’s infrastructure, as are many other countries.
The question is how far the Iranians decide to go in the immediate tiemframe and how much time do they estimate they have left before a shooting war starts. Pompeo and the “Regime change” will now be played to a max.
However, The “Persians” have always had a reputation for being “lateral” thinkers, and there are many Shias in the world.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 3 2020 18:11 utc | 203

I believe that those who think that Trump’s hand was forced on this cold-blooded mass murder are – wrong.
Trump is an ignoramus, a vulgar bully, a criminal and a risk-taker who has been doing the same thing all the time in his presidency. But Trump is just the homely caricature of what the US has become, he is the true image of the essence of the USA today. He is no exception historically. Such caricatures emerge and climb to power when systems/societies are in the advanced stages of decomposition. In those stages the worst come to the surface and wreak havoc. Trump likes war because war is so macho in his universe. It is patently obvious that he is thrilled that killing Soleimani on Iraqi soil was such a cool thing to do, to show who has the biggest dick. That is a caricature of (a) man/male if there ever was one, faithfully representing a grotesque of a state.
I find it deeply offensive that I am forced to at all contemplate such a caricature and such a state because they have a direct effect on my life, and yours, everyone’s. Trump is America people, his hand has not been forced. He is the embodiment of Force, deeply troubled, deeply ill, corrupt and evil Force that no longer can sustain its own evil and is collapsing with catastrophic consequences for all.

Posted by: JB | Jan 3 2020 18:12 utc | 204

In the septitronalic state (not “countrey!) that I live in, the news media — parroting US/GB mainstream media — claim that he wanted to stop IS/ISIL infiltration into Irân. Now, the only area of Irân whre Salafism could possibly be expected to take root would have been those areas of Iran where the linguistic minority populace mostly adheres to Sunni and not Shia Islam,, I.e., Khuzestân and the Baluchi areas bordering Afghanistân and mostely Pakistân. Thus an impossibility: Oh, sancta simplissimas!

Posted by: Ou Si (區司) | Jan 3 2020 18:14 utc | 205

Posted by: Salamander | Jan 3 2020 16:02 utc | 156
even posting court documents that put zionists in a bad light is enough to be called antisemite by some in this thread.. Even otherwise intelligent people have this kneejerk bs reaction, they cant even wrap their minds around the fact that eastern Europeans can NOT be semites, it is mindboggeling tbh.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 3 2020 18:20 utc | 206

According to its text, Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty is only triggered by an armed attack against one or more NATO members “in Europe or North America”. So an attack outside those regions does not trigger the article. What’s more, it’s doubtful if a defensive response to an initial aggressive action by a NATO member would constitute such an armed attack.
Furthermore, all that NATO members are obliged to do, once Article 5 is triggered, is to take such action as each member “deems necessary… to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”

Posted by: lysias | Jan 3 2020 18:22 utc | 207

thanks for the overview b…
i find it interesting how some commentators here repeat themselves endlessly, as if repeating yourself is going to make your case stronger…i’m afraid it actually makes it weaker…
whoever ordered the hit matters little, so lets forget about who ultimately decided.. the hits are also coming in a sequence here.. no matter what – usa and probably israel are directly responsible.. how much the glorious leader decides or is told is endless conjecture on our part..
after reading all the comments here, i especially related to @ 173 joetv’s comment, so i am re posting it below..
“Listen. The US, at Israel’s behest, has occupied Iraq for 17 years. The US has occupied Germany and Japan for 75 years. So we know how to occupy, we’re good at it. The USA has now been in Iraq for a quarter of the time we’ve held Germany and Japan. The uSa is not leaving Iraq or Syria as long as Israel is allowed to exist. Like it or not, and I don’t like it, but That my friends is how I see it.”
and yet, many americans seem to think the usa is led by trump! small picture — big picture conflict is all over the comment section here.. lets agree to disagree and note that the small picture looks different then the big picture and neither picture is fully accurate..

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2020 18:22 utc | 208

@ Circe
I believe that Trump unfortunately makes evident the nature is U.S. government structure wherein the U.S. president is largely a figurehead.
They have certain prescribed powers, but are (I think increasingly) thwarted by the bureaucracy. What power they have in practice is largely by virtue of a network of influence and their ability to bring in votes – Trump has neither. What was an experiment in selecting an outsider has morphed into worst nightmare of an incompetent leader at a time of great challenges and competing interests – he is the classic idiot king.
So it serves little purpose to rail at Trump other than to not vote for him next time around, which would raise a difficult question (who?)
It pains me to see the crude pronouncements as to what should be Iran’s next move. If they don’t already have a plan ready to implement than they should face reality and look for way to make the best of a bad situation – they won’t do that I am sure. Hopefully, they will not use Syria to attempt attack on Israel – suspect they will or at least will be another false flag. At this point a handful of Iranians are dead and they are deeply angered and humiliated, but I don’t want to think of the death tolls in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria.
The U.S. is destroying itself economically while enriching the overlords.
Russia and China are letting that situation play-out which only frustrates the U.S.
I hear talk that the U.S. could not win a war with Iran.
I imagine that would mean they cannot occupy and rule Iran – they don’t want to.
They will simply destroy it’s infrastructure and culture. It seems easy for them
Guerilla warfare only goes so far.

Posted by: jared | Jan 3 2020 18:23 utc | 209

wg – apparently this was trumps first post after all this… i can’t confirm this…
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Iran never won a war, but never lost a negotiation!
201K
4:44 AM – Jan 3, 2020

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2020 18:24 utc | 210

Shia Muslims are only 5 to 15 percent of the population of Pakistan. The great majority of the population is Sunni.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 3 2020 18:29 utc | 211

@Made in Quebec (99) “The United Terrorist States of America must be wiped off the face of the earth!”
Do you really mean that? Are you so filled with hatred that you wish for the deaths of over 330 million people, most of whom couldn’t find Iran on a map if their lives depended on it?
Take a pill, man.

Posted by: Rob | Jan 3 2020 18:39 utc | 212

Posted by: augrr | Jan 3 2020 18:01 utc | 201
it is online, just read it..
my understanding is that it says that each country will only assist if they “feel like it”.

Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 3 2020 18:41 utc | 213

Rob@199
Thanks for the Mint-Press referral.
I have already read Whitney Webb’s extensive writing on the case (thanks to a recommendation from another poster here).
It is truly mind-boggling how deep all of the connections go.
Recommended reading for all, I would say.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 3 2020 18:44 utc | 214

Rose McGowan:
Dear Iran, The USA has disrespected your country, your flag, your people. 52% of us humbly apologize. We want peace with your nation. We are being held hostage by a terrorist regime. We do not know how to escape. Please do not kill us.
https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1212976832544460801

Posted by: Mao | Jan 3 2020 18:45 utc | 215

At the end of the day, it prob does not matter as to who made this decision, it was insanity and criminal beyond belief.
One hears a lot of chatter that it was trump’s zionist advisors (of which there are many to include kushner), or his mafia background from NYC, or it was israel and nitenyaahoo in his struggles to stay out of jail and remain in power. .
It was cheered by all of the zionists, bolton, nitenyaahoo, graham, et al.
It does have many of the earmarks of a Mossad hit and and its relative immunity i.e.not suffering any consequences (reports that the general boarded a plane in Lebanon where mossad has large presence, visited iraq to attend funeral of dead from the us bombing.
i guess my point is not whether israel exerts direct control of trump and what passes for u.s. foreign policy, I do not think there is any doubt that it does.
Further to my point, perhaps this will emphasize the complete hypocrocy and the clap trap about western or american values, the rule of law, the respect for human life, etc.
What this murder does is put the u.s. at the absolute same level as israel in the gutter of idf murderers, shooting women, children, medics, aged, et al.
Further, and this should not come as a surprise, the lies, deceit which is standard for israel and the zionists, are doubled in spades by u.s spokesmen. There is not a damn thing the american sheeple can do about it-it is underwritten by congressional cowards and the enabling press.
Elections do not and will not matter!

Posted by: Thoma Minnehan | Jan 3 2020 18:49 utc | 216

“Soleimani death: How Iran strike could be huge boost for Trump’s presidency”

While Washington may be divided, history tells us that US military action usually sees a president’s approval ratings soar, meaning the latest attack could help secure Trump’s place in the White House in 2020.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1223572/trump-news-soleimani-death-exposed-iran-strike-boost-2020-spt

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 18:55 utc | 217

@murgen23 (120) You must think that Iran will accept economic strangulation passively. They have previously stated that if they are not permitted to sell their oil, neither will any of the other nations along the Persian Gulf. And let there be no doubt that Iran has the capacity to act on that threat. Get ready for the next Great Depression should such a scenario ever come to pass.

Posted by: Rob | Jan 3 2020 18:57 utc | 218

The US has become a repugnant beast with tentacles spreading death and destruction in the world. It has become the reincarnation of Evil working under the orders of Israel and money.
As for Israel, the harm it has done to the Middle East region far exceeds the harm done to Jews by the Europeans.
Growing antisemitism worldwide has a direct root to Israel’s aggressive and inhumane behavior in the middle east. It will continue to grow until the Jews worldwhide dissociate thenselves from the beast they have created and supported blindly, thinking it will bring safety and respect to the Jews. It is doing exactly the opposite. Most countries despise Israel and most people worldwide look suspiciously to Jews that are feeling increasingly hated. Trump has allowed this failed country to survive. Once Trump is gone, it is clear that Israel will to exists as it is now.
Without knowing it, Trump has simply accelerated the collapse of that artificial country.

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 3 2020 18:58 utc | 219

It is impossible for us know how Iran’s government will proceed under de facto conditions of war with Usania. As an extreme measure Iran could simultaneously strike the US bases that presently surround its homeland, including naval moorage in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. It could also interdict oil shipment in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. A swarm missile attack on Israel’s Dimona nuclear complex is also conceivable.
There are also less drastic scenarios. For example, Iran’s Houthi allies could wreck immense damage by destroying Saudi desalination facilities from the air. Or Iran could instigate a program of piecemeal assassination against Usania’s top officials, not exempting Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Whatever course of action is chosen, the threat of world war has been greatly elevated by Usania’s reckless act in assassinating General Qassem Soleimani.
If we cannot know how hostilities will proceed, it is at least possible on astrological grounds to assess when the risk of general mayhem will be greatest in the near term. Among astrologers I am by no means alone in focusing on the Full Moon annular eclipse that will take place on January 10 at 2:21 PM Eastern Standard Time. While an eclipse in general exerts an unsettling influence on the collective psychic field, in this case the effect is greatly heightened by the fact that the Sun at 20Capricorn00 exactly conjoins Mercury at 20Capricorn06, while approaching conjunction with Saturn and Pluto, which themselves are conjoined on the 23rd degree of Capricorn. Together with Jupiter at 08 Capricorn and the Moon’s South Node at 07Capricorn, these planets are bunched in such a way as to amass power and weight in the zodiacal sign that represents executive authority.
With the Moon in Cancer opposing this planetary bundle on January 10, emotional sensitivity is considerably heightened around matters of homeland security, borderland vulnerability, preservation of heritage, and the fate of the family unit following upon a state-level initiative. From this vantage what follows in the case of a declaration of war, among other things,are: general conscription, food rationing, shelter allocation, and the rejigging of domestic goods production for military purposes.
Under these conditions the not-too-bright neocons who have usurped the rule of democracy in Usania will be inclined towards an apocalyptic Now-or-Never perspective. They are quite aware that Russia is going operational with its hypersonic Avangard missiles, which are capable of erasing Usania carrier fleets, and thus shifting the balance of military power in Russia’s favour. Also to be considered is the fact that the neocon’s co-conspirator, the Israeli PM Benyamin Netanyahoo, will shortly face jail-time for financial crimes.
It must be remembered that leaders of low intelligence (and/or doubtful sanity) will prefer a strategy of general chaos, since they are unable to reason through complex alternative scenarios, and are in any case far too brutish to be “agreement-capable”, as the Russians phrase it.
Though one can fix a particular point in time as the apex of an astrological influence, this is not to claim that hostilities will break out at that exact point. Between the two sphere of heaven and earth, between “the above” and “the below”, there is enough lag to ensure that correlations will often be frustratingly inexact. The most that one can say is that we have roughly a week at our disposal to prepare for the worst. But if the Unthinkable does not take place, so much the better – of course! – even if the outspoken astrologer is once more made to wear a dunce’s cap wrapped in tinfoil.

Posted by: Douglas Smith | Jan 3 2020 19:00 utc | 220

Some US & UK nationals met with young Soleimani in our Last Homely House home before the fall of the Shahanshaah-e-Iran. Clearly, he was of a very incuousitive mind. He had as a recrout beeen sent to learn American English and mostly enormously engoied the stubodity of his UK/US teacheresses. And enjoyed visiting our house beside the US embassy.

Posted by: Ou Si (區司) | Jan 3 2020 19:01 utc | 221

@ Mao
I for one don’t want to investigate who is Rose McGowan and how does she factor into this (because I suspect she is simply celebrity).
However, would comment that all of us who live in and/or benefit from the U.S. oligarchic system are to some extend responsible – by virtue of what we do or what we fail to do. We need to do what we can and proceed with some care – there but for the neglect of Soros go I.
Iran needs to look after itself – no one else will.
The UN is less than useless – waste of time.

Posted by: jared | Jan 3 2020 19:05 utc | 222

Some speculations:
– The US will react to being ordered by Iraq to remove its forces in the same way that Cersei Lannister reacted to Ned Stark’s “scrap of paper”.
– Any move by Iran to secure the Strait of Hormuz (likely just the part that lies in its territorial waters) will be met with a countermove by the US. Indeed, basically any response by Iran would be used by the US as an excuse for escalation. However, the alternative would be for Iran to lay down and do the US’s bidding, which the former clearly does not accept. Escalation thus seems practically guaranteed.
– If the precedent has now been set for assassinations of top-ranking officials in general, then beware of Trump himself being assassinated. Such an assassination would need the acquiescence of top US intelligence and military officials, at the very least. It would both remove a thorn in the “deep state’s” side and pave the way for all-out war, so it would be awfully convenient for the “deep state”.
– If all-out war starts before this year’s elections, then it seems all too likely for the elections to be suspended, perhaps indefinitely.
Alea iacta est.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 3 2020 19:06 utc | 223

Bryan #13
very sensible thoughts. why the need to emphasize that Trump gve the order?
Because the American public and other doubt that he is really in the driver’s seat when it comes to military affairs.
Quite possibly the Pentagon doth protest too much.
If Trump did not give this order, and he does not come clean and dump those who did, he will be just as culpable as if he had given the order. Showing just the American flag on his tweet has struck some as “ominous.” To me it looks like he maybe couldn’t think of anything to say.
The fact that Soleimani was struck down on his way to the funeral for those earlier struck down makes this assassination double heinous and . . . somehow blasphemous. Regardless of specific religious beliefs, this act is blasphemous. It has a Macbethian overtone. Or a Becket-esque feel: striking down a man when he is at prayer.
Low low low.
These people are the opposite of “warriors.” They are the lowest cowardly scum, not fit to face a worthy adversary.
I read that Sanders is pulling ahead of Biden in polls, but this is being ignored by MSM. Trump has just given the Dems a campaign issue, if they care to notice.
I can’t help noticing that this act of war comes when both Trump and Netanyahu are in legal trouble. But Net is in much worse trouble than the Donald. He stands to gain from a war with Iran on a number of levels. Not so Trump. Trump is/was on the cusp of beating up on his adversaries at home and very possibly locking in a November win.
Now he has blown it—all to help out Netanyahu with a war on Iran? If so it is the dumbest act of his presidency.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 3 2020 19:06 utc | 224

@Zanon (128) “…there is nothing stopping Trump from bombing Iran altogether from now on.”
The only thing that might stop an all-out bombing campaign on Iran would be an unexpected outbreak of sanity amongst the warmongers running the U.S. government. The price to be paid will be astronomical and will be spread worldwide, while the material gains will be relatively small. OTOH, empires typically fall from their own dumb weight, so one should be prepared for the worst.

Posted by: Rob | Jan 3 2020 19:09 utc | 225

Daniel to William Gruff:
I’m sorry your daddy didn’t pay enough attention to you when you were young but grow up and learn some self-respect. It will help you get through life without the burden of constantly having to seek out authority figures to worship like a starry eyed little kid in awe of his big strong daddy.
Posted by: Daniel | Jan 3 2020 13:35 utc | 92
+++++++++++++++++++
This tone is absurdly childish—intended to be insulting but just reveals you as possessing the mind of a ten-year-old.
Cut it out.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 3 2020 19:18 utc | 226

Really?? says:
It has a Macbethian overtone
indeed it has…
Second Murderer
‘A light, a light!’
(Enter BANQUO, and FLEANCE with a torch)
Third Murderer
‘Tis he’
First Murderer
‘Stand to’t’
BANQUO
‘It will be rain to-night’
First Murderer
‘Let it come down’

Posted by: john | Jan 3 2020 19:19 utc | 227

Below is a recent Reuters posting that speaks to the question about Iraq’s next political step

BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Iraq’s parliament will hold an extraordinary session on Sunday to discuss the U.S. air strike in Baghdad which killed Iran’s Quds Force leader Qassem Soleimani and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, it said on Friday.
Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi called on lawmakers to hold an emergency session and address the attack, which he called a violation of sovereignty.

Will the US let the Iraq parliament meet?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 3 2020 19:24 utc | 228

@Really?? #226
To the extent that his movements could be tracked, Suleimani’s movements were most likely being tracked at all times by the US and allied “intelligence community”. However, the authorization to assassinate Suleimani most likely had to come from Trump himself. (It’s unclear whether there’s any law or executive order that delegates that authorization to anyone under the president.) It also seems likely that Trump himself decided on being so brazen with the assassination. Given the coarseness of language he’s employed in the past when making threats, the brazenness of this assassination seems entirely in line with his way of thinking.
Trump’s US-flag tweet can be best interpreted as equivalent to shouting “USA! USA! USA!”

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 3 2020 19:27 utc | 229

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 3 2020 19:06 utc | 226
“Showing just the American flag on his tweet has struck some as “ominous.” To me it looks like he maybe couldn’t think of anything to say.”
To me it just looked smug. Typical Trump.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 3 2020 19:28 utc | 230

Global Times publishes China’s initial response, and it isn’t singular as one reads multiple voices in the editorial, which I see as important:
“One certain thing is that the US action will cause much more anger and hostility than fear against the US in Iran and areas that support Iran. Since the war in Afghanistan, the US has killed many senior officials and even leaders of its deemed rivals. With the high price it paid, did Washington successfully deter those in the Middle East who hate the US? The answer is apparently no. Anti-US forces have been growing all the time….
“The US is too powerful. Facing a challenge, it tends to believe the use of force is the best choice. But the use of force can only lead to death. It cannot transform people’s will.”
Do read the entire item, please!
Russia has made a very short statement by Lavrov via TASS that calls-out the Evil Outlaw US Empire’s crime and says Pompeo and Lavrov conversed in a phone call I’d very much like to read the transcript just to see how diplomatic Lavrov was. The only recent item at the Kremlin’s Twitter is a report of a conversation between Putin and Macron just a few minutes ago.
Undoubtedly, much conversing is occurring between the allied triad of Iran, Russia, and China, with Syria and Iraq also included most likely. IMO, I cannot envision the Iraqi parliament not passing legislation demanding the ouster of all Evil Outlaw US Empire forces and diplomats ASAP. I do expect combat between Iraqi and Empire forces to be very possible. I also expect the SAA’s offensive in Idlib to gain additional motivational force as the terrorists are certainly proxy Imperial forces. What happens in Libya is very uncertain as Haftar was CIA yet also backed by Russia.
I do expect Putin and Xi to make coordinated statements sometime today. I’m reminded very much of how the South Carolinian Fire Eaters–the Neocons of that Era–started the combat phase of a Civil War not all of the Confederacy agreed with but were then forced into backing/accepting.
And what will now happen with the D-Party’s two genuine Anti-war candidates and the Neocon Biden? Neil Clarke writes “Trump’s New Year killing of Soleimani finally blows up the fake Russiagate narrative,” so this event will also affect the Impeachment Trial in a manner akin to Clinton’s illegal aggression. There’s desperation in the spin that the assassination was defensive and that de-escalation is desired in a clear attempt to appease Trump’s base. Like juliania observed, Trump just committed a very impeachable act, and IMO his removal’s now warranted as Pence realistically can’t worsen things.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2020 19:29 utc | 231

After all the Epstein incident..I wonder has Israel dirty on Trump? Was Epstein death an alert for Trump. Or our Iran war or you are def. fucked up.. I don’t believe Trump will get reelected but he will led the USA to the destructive war with Iran to save his skin.

Posted by: Nick | Jan 3 2020 19:32 utc | 232

Most commenters here are reading the situation backwards.
The USA murdered Soleimani because they are losing, and not because they are winning, the war against Iran.
If I were Iran, I would simply continue with the already existing strategy. Never face the USA in a pitched battle – that would be suicide for any nation.
Assymetrical warfare is the answer, and Iran is already doing that.

Posted by: vk | Jan 3 2020 19:33 utc | 233

Joetv @ 180
Some commenters, and b, have mentioned the Beirut barracks bombing as if it was an Iranian job. Everything I have learned about it, the assault that killed 300 Marines, leads to Israel as the perp, just like the attack on the USS LIBERTY.
I have read they knew it was coming and did not pass on the intelligence to the US. If you have links share them.

Posted by: dltravers | Jan 3 2020 19:34 utc | 234

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Look’s like things are getting very very serious…
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One of the most secret planes of Russia arrived in Syria!
By Borzzikman
10:56 AM – 3 Jan 2020
https://twitter.com/Canthama/status/1213172260095320073
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Video released 44 minutes ago:
*One of the most secret planes of Russia arrived in Syria!*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTDIEfIFbyw
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Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 3 2020 19:39 utc | 235

psychohistorian@230
From Antiwar.com (as posted by someone here earlier) >
“it is now being reported that US Marines carried out arrest raids inside Baghdad, capturing high ranking Iraqi MP Hadi al-Amiri and militia leader Qais al-Khazali.”
Capturing of an MP does not bode well for the stability of the Iraqi Parliament.
I do wish them luck in getting an emergency session together on Sunday, but things are becoming increasingly chaotic and fluid.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 3 2020 19:40 utc | 236

It’s a folly to think that removal of an individual will solve a problem….if only we could get rid of Saddam, Kim Jong-un, Ayatolah Khomeni, Castro, etc….that everything would be hunky dory…but Soleimani will be replaced….as will Trump. But it’s really difficult to see a strategic benefit in pissing off a few hundred million people in the Middle East. But what do I know?
With apologies for chewing up MOA bandwidth, does anyone know what’s happened to Zaid Fadel’s Syrian Perspective…is there any alternative to the useful info on Syria (that largely came from posters, of late)?

Posted by: Guy THORNTON | Jan 3 2020 19:45 utc | 237

@236. Yes. In my opinion, MBS is toast..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 3 2020 19:45 utc | 238

As I look out the window behind my computer, it is lovely January day. No attack helicopter, no military drones, no smoke rising to darken the sky, no industrialized death by a heaven bent war machine. I fear that it won’t be that way for long here in fortress america. I say heaven bent because it all fits in with the evangelical eschatology which desires to bring on the end times and the rapture of the “true christians.” I ran across this article while I was looking around trying to support the statement I just made.
evangelical eschatology
It seems that this reckless act committed by the war machine is a big run up to the denouement of ghost story we have been told for the last few millenia. Prince of Peace indeed. I am a major fan of commenter jen who at 31 summed it up quite succinctly, as is her style. The Zionist entity for sure. Long ago I asked here about the claims I heard about Zionist collusion with the Nazis. She suggested reading Leni Brenner. Bobcat @144 answered Jay @ 121 with the link to the 51 Documents for sale on Bezosazon. I would be reluctant, to say the least, to purchase a book like that there. I was able to find a free PDF of it online. Here you go. 51 Documents Pretty sickening. It’s also quite interesting from a historical perspective that Theodor Hertzl, the father modern Zionism, lived in fin de siecle Vienna at the same time as Adolph Hitler. Both of the men developed their hateful worldview there as the curtains fell on the Austro-Hungarian empire. Once again, jen, you are a brilliant human. I must also add my obligatory thanks to our host, B, as well as all the commentors here. Even the hasbara troll brigade. This is great forum to study their sad little attempts to get people to believe in their sick worldview determined by their even sicker Abrahamic religion. And I include Christianity and Islam in with the jealous desert god ghost story which unfortunately gets manifest far too often in this sad and beautiful world.
Just for a little gallows humor, I would like to share a song by Fear, a Los Angeles punk band who were one of the first to pioneer the nihilistic hardcore punk which California contributed to humanity as well as to increase levels of teenagers with tinitus.
Fear-Let’s Have a War
Happy 2020! It looks like it’s going to be a blast!

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 3 2020 19:46 utc | 239

Edit to my post above @239
Just read the comments at the above, and saw this post:
“Traiano Welcome • 3 hours ago • edited
@Jason Ditz – please doublecheck this report – it is being denied by Iraqi sources that these events happened at all – it may be tactical disinformation by parties unknown.”
So we will wait and see what transpires.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 3 2020 19:49 utc | 240

Imagine the eruption of joy throughout the world if, instead of hearing of the assassination of an Iranian General by a bunch of terrorist assholes, the people were to learn that an Iranian strike against the anglo-american-zionist empire had blown the capstone right off that God damn Rothschild Pyramid of Evil Incarnate.
Then, as Shitstream Media tried to spin the event as a reason to go to full blown war, the people, instead of believing these fucked up shitheads, stormed the news studios, removed the pricks and cunts that infect these places and took over the airwaves allowing all the suppressed truthers a platform to broadcast truth for a change…
In my dreams…
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=188389&unapproved=932915&moderation-hash=a1968a4cb63f32a7b8cccd551180af2a#comment-932915
It shouldn’t be that difficult for the Iranian military to take out any number of these putrid cocksuckers in the United Assholes of Amerika or israhel.
I am now an adept of the John Bolton Doctrine! Yes you heard it right!
“Just to give you an idea of Mister Bolton’s great thought processes, check out his 2015 op-ed for the New York Trimes, titled, “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran” which was followed by a great op-ed for the Wall Street Journal called, “The Legal Case For Striking North Korea First.”
Secretary of State-designate Mike Pompeo calls Iran “a thuggish police state,” a “despotic theocracy,” and “the vanguard of a pernicious empire that is expanding
its power and influence across the Middle East.”
Netanyahu is categorical on Iran, calling it “the greatest threat to our world.”
I am ready to apply Doctor Bolton’s Doctrine with some minor changes as you will see:
Just to give you an idea of Voltman’s great thought processes, check out his 2001 op-ed for the Zew York Crimes, titled, “To Stop the RTO, Bomb, Bomb the RTO” which was followed by a great op-ed for the Mall Street Journal called, “The Legal Case For Striking israhel and the U.S..
Secretary of State-designate Voltman Plutonymus Rex calls israhel and the US “thuggish police states,” “despotic idiocracies,” and “the vanguard of a pernicious empire that is expanding its malefic power and influence across the Middle East and the whole world.”
Voltman is categorical on israhel, the U.S. and the Rothschild Terrorist organization (RTO), calling it “the greatest threat to our world.”
So there you have it: The Bolton Doctrine applied in the right direction.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=200255

Posted by: Voltman | Jan 3 2020 19:54 utc | 241

After reading just the first few paragraphs of this piece, I started to cry. Here was a man of superior military intellect who was murdered as if by a mugging in New York. Whether he was friend or foe, as a military analyst-historian myself, I felt that such a man will be a great loss to those societies he worked for.
I only wish that we in the States had someone with the same level of capabilities and intellect but we do not. So we will reap the whirlwind of what is to come…

Posted by: Steve Naidamast | Jan 3 2020 19:56 utc | 242

lex talionis@242
Fear. Wow. I haven’t heard that since about ’86.
Funny that Flea (of R.H.C.P fame was in the band) also.
Thanks!

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 3 2020 19:56 utc | 243

@Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 3 2020 19:39 utc | 238
“One of the most secret planes of Russia arrived in Syria!”
The chess pieces are being moved about.
To counter future ballistic missile attacks against Israel by Iran
Israel is reading nukes.
Russia is moving nukes to the Mideast to counter Israeli nukes.
Hope some level of stalemate is achieved.

Posted by: librul | Jan 3 2020 19:57 utc | 244

Guy THORNTON @240–
SyrPers underwent another attack and it’s unknown if Ziad will resurrect it. The prime source of info posted there was Canthama; he can be followed at his Twitter and you’ll soon see who he values through his retweets. Much is happening on his page now with a rapidity that makes it hard to repost here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2020 19:57 utc | 245

re: Guy THORNTON | Jan 3 2020 19:45 utc @ 240
According to *Canthama* a few days ago, SyrPer was hacked in/from Lebanon.
More I do not know.
You can get up-to-date-info from Canthama here:
https://twitter.com/Canthama
I don’t use twatter, but if you do, you should ask him what is the situation.
Regards X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 3 2020 19:58 utc | 246

Iranians have to do nothing, every rocket, bullett or treeleave which falls ie vicinity of an American w\b labeled a counter attack o\e iranians. And thus striking fear, they will live their own nightmare. by: Gary @ 16
getting the US officially thrown out of Iraq probably has priority.by: Adrian E. @ 52 I think most Americans would support everything American should never have entered Iraq.
The USA will be quickly cut down to size <=by financial matters @ 78 <= the USA might find itself in a vice between the moral governed in America and the angry outside world. It w/b interesting to watch the private agenda [UnionHorse @61] vs moral America. [Trump is the] true image of the essence of the USA .. by JB @ 206. Eric Trump boasted of the attack BEFORE IT HAPPENED. ..Why would Trump's son BOAST about an attack that his father doesn't want to do?<= by Jack Rabbit @ 143 Anyway Peter AU1, You are correct. The Dump is a kosher nostra brother.100%.by: Veritas X- @ 63 Zico @ 100 I think peter and Veritas hit the nail on the head.. Jan @ 105 =>Americans already know they have a problem at the helm.. <=Americans know what is not being told is relevant and 24/7 corrupt propaganda is irrelevant. Look at =>Rose McGowan: Dear Iran, The USA has disrespected your country, your flag, your people. 52% of us humbly apologize. We want peace with your nation. We are being held hostage by a terrorist regime. We do not know how to escape. Please do not kill us. https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1212976832544460801 by: Mao @ 217
RE: Jay @ 121 I think there are no facts anywhere which support a thesis that the Zionist are not 100% responsible for WWI and WWII..? My understanding is the Zionist used the Jews to achieve an economic purpose which was to destroy the competition called Germany and to drive the Jews into Palestine to relieve the Ottoman empire of its oil. As Librul @ 127 says “Documentation is the court records of Izrael itself.” And bobcat gives documentation for Jay @121 per your request: in the following url https://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569804338 <=given by bobcat @ 144 and Mao @ 175 contributes the transcript of Ben Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel.http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm by: Mao @ 175
hope that helps.

Posted by: snake | Jan 3 2020 19:59 utc | 247

“Suleimani’s movements were most likely being tracked at all times by the US…”
Of course. Which means that the assassination could have been scheduled for any particular time and date. It is interesting that an act that is an obvious declaration of war and could very well have resulted in immediate retaliation was supposedly ordered by the Commander in Chief while he was out of town. Perhaps people think that the Commander in Chief’s plans if Iran had responded immediately were to manage the opening hours of hot war by Twitter post?
It is comforting to blame one person for a crime committed by an entire country because that absolves everyone else.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 3 2020 20:04 utc | 248

After reading most of the posts here, it becomes clear that israeli backed US militants have killed Soleimani.

Posted by: Jean | Jan 3 2020 20:05 utc | 249

@236 vk:
“Most commenters here are reading the situation backwards.
The USA murdered Soleimani because they are losing, and not because they are winning, the war against Iran.
If I were Iran, I would simply continue with the already existing strategy. Never face the USA in a pitched battle – that would be suicide for any nation.”
The assassination of Soleimani is not about who’s “winning”. It was a declaration of war. In life and death situations, people and nations will fight. The idea that Iran won’t fight because it would be suicide, makes zero sense.

Posted by: SharonM | Jan 3 2020 20:06 utc | 250

Iran can bring down the entire US financial system with a half-dozen cruise missiles.
Did everyone forget the petrodollar? There’s no need to close the Straits of Hormuz – that’s a decades-old US thinktank hairball. Ras Tanura, Abqaiq, East-west Pipeline, Jubail and Kobar desalination plants. They’re virtually defenseless. Saudi Arabia is in such dire straits financially that lost of a months worth of production would end the al Sauds and tank the entire western banking system. Nobody is going to print their way out of that or unwind the collapse of all capital markets.
Didn’t Persians invent chess? Why does anyone thing they’ll get into a punishing fistfight with a much bigger bully when they can just stop it’s black heart from beating with the flick of a few switches and minimal loss of little people’s lives?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 3 2020 20:09 utc | 251

I wonder where the Russian airborn command aircraft are. I have seen twitter claim that “TU214PU-SBUS” just arrived Syria. I have also seen a claim that in the Russian forces warheads are getting swapped out. That’s what you’d be doing if you thought you might need your gun. I don’t know about this, but if it’s true somebody knows. And I recall VVP saying “We know everything”… (I wonder if that includes reports about good ol’ Jeffery’s little party-times? Uncle V, what a card, teasing the fat boys like that.)

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 20:09 utc | 252

I read karlof1’s link to the Lavrov statement and am including a quote from it

According to the Pentagon, the strike was defensive, since it was aimed at protecting US troops in Iraq and other countries.
Washington blamed Soleimani for allegedly approving a rally outside the US Embassy in Baghdad earlier this week.

Those are the two rationalizations given to Russia for the killings.
Did Soleimani allegedly approve a rally outside the US Embassy in Baghdad and this is reason to kill him and others?
And from the Pentagon we have the “he had a gun in his hand and was going to shoot us” defensive claim.
This is the rules based world that empire lives in while the rest of the world talks about very clear International Law violations. When will Might-Makes-Right have its last use on our spaceship earth? Yes, this is a civilization war….socialism or barbarism as I recall.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 3 2020 20:10 utc | 253

@William Gruff #251
Saying that Trump most likely gave the (final) authorization for the assassination, and may well have even decided on its timing, was in no way intended to absolve everyone else involved. Clearly it was an operation that involved a large number of people. However, the evidence available at this point indicates rather strongly that Trump was not forced into it by the “deep state”. In addition, the president being away from the White House doesn’t seem to have any bearing on his ability to perform presidential duties.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 3 2020 20:14 utc | 254

Strategic Culture editorial on the event distills it well:
“The mayhem being unleashed by the Trump administration needs to be placed in a wider context. The US has been waging illegal wars and all manner of subterfuges in the Middle East for decades. Its military presence in Iraq and Syria is illegal. Its aggression towards Iran is illegal. Yet Washington turns the reality of its lawlessness on its head with absurd self-proclamations of virtue.
“The year ahead is promising to bring clearer focus worldwide on how depraved and destructive the United States has become. It alone stands as the nemesis of world peace. It is a sign of how lawless this state has become when it can be associated with so many potential simultaneous conflicts in every part of the world, not just the Middle East.”
I wonder if this will be the moment when the world collectively finally emulates the outrage voiced in the movie Network and says it’s now mad as hell and won’t take it any longer as it comes to the realization that the Evil Outlaw US Empire must finally be faced down regardless the consequences or if the world collectively allows this newest, brazen crime to go unpunished like all those that preceded it? IMO, that’s THE question at issue for humanity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2020 20:14 utc | 255

If we can assassinate foreign leaders, what is to prevent our enemies abroad from assassinating ours? Could John Roberts, Nancy Pelosi, or even President Trump himself become targets? Has anyone thought about this?

Posted by: Barzini | Jan 3 2020 20:18 utc | 256

It’s a folly to think that removal of an individual will solve a problem….if only we could get rid of Saddam, Kim Jong-un, Ayatolah Khomeni, Castro, etc….that everything would be hunky dory…but Soleimani will be replaced….as will Trump. But it’s really difficult to see a strategic benefit in pissing off a few hundred million people in the Middle East. But what do I know?
With apologies for chewing up MOA bandwidth, does anyone know what’s happened to Zaid Fadel’s Syrian Perspective…is there any alternative to the useful info on Syria (that largely came from posters, of late)?

Posted by: Guy THORNTON | Jan 3 2020 20:18 utc | 257

psychohistorian @256–
Thanks for highlighting that–multiple persons are murdered for one having advocated a–legal–demonstration. I’m not sure if you saw this link to the first “Keiser Report” of the year, so I wonder how Max will alter his thrust for 2020 in light of the escalation. I also expect further words to be spoken at the UNSC. IMO, much hinges on what Xi and Putin say, but they won’t speak until talking with the Iranians.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2020 20:29 utc | 258

@ 260 Guy THORNTON.. your post came thru @ 240 and people answered you too.. please desist…

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2020 20:33 utc | 259

Barzini
You are of course right, Putin order the assassination of a military general in the US. And then brags about it on Twitter. Imagine what would happen.
US and western media is in the hands of psychopaths. I have no other words for this sickening mentality.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 3 2020 20:33 utc | 260

@PavewayIV #254
Even if Iran completely destroyed those targets, the entire “Western” banking system would not come close to ending. Remember that the “Western” banking system is based on creating money and credit out of thin air. That basically means they make up the rules as they go along. On the other hand, the collapse of all capital markets would not prevent the US from taking what it wants by force if necessary. At this point in time, the US would happily adopt a Stalinist command economy if that’s what it took for it to stay dominant.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 3 2020 20:34 utc | 261

The provocation, which b calls “declared war”, can’t be anything except one part of a plan. There are more parts – it’s a plan, not a one-off.
Moving to the Plan, what’s the plan?
Since they won’t cave and the US can’t support an invasion, it a plan to bomb. Since that might not work, it’s a plan to use nukes.
That guy BORZZIKMAN on YT (yeah, poor source, grain of salt) has a short video on aircraft movements. Bombers and command control types. True? Who can say?
“One of the most secret planes of Russia arrived in Syria!”
Crazy.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 3 2020 20:36 utc | 262

This is weird, but it looks like Soleimani’s death was talked about just before it happened
https://archive.is/mW08f
“What if the former commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Qassem Soleimani, visits Baghdad for a meeting and you know the address? The temptations to use hypersonic missiles will be many.” – Jan 2, 2020

Posted by: asdf | Jan 3 2020 20:38 utc | 263

My wish would be something Trump can understand (and doesnt involve blood):
1) Cancel signing of trade agreement
2) Sell Treasuries
3) Price of oil

Posted by: jared | Jan 3 2020 20:40 utc | 264

“Remember that the “Western” banking system is based on creating money and credit out of thin air.”
Respectfully disagree. The “Western” banking system is entirely based on willing lenders of something valuable and willing borrowers of the same. ‘Creating money and credit’ is the grease, not the gears. Ask the Germans.
“On the other hand, the collapse of all capital markets would not prevent the US from taking what it wants by force if necessary. At this point in time, the US would happily adopt a Stalinist command economy if that’s what it took for it to stay dominant.”
Everyone has a plan (and a nation of laws), until 1) food riots, 2) lamp posts.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 3 2020 20:41 utc | 265

@ 236 vk.. i tend to agree with you, but as you note, most won’t read it that way…
@ 165 walter… @238 Veritas X posted a link on that on the bottom of the post..
from the twitter feed off @ 249 by same poster.. thanks veritas some people are reading the posts, lol..
“Elijah J. Magnier
‏ @ejmalrai
1h1 hour ago
Elijah J. Magnier Retweeted Secretary Pompeo
The #US wishes a sovereign #Iraq with the exclusivity to bomb its commanders and kill its security members while fighting #ISIS and drag Iraq into the #Iran-US battle.”
sounds about right..

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2020 20:43 utc | 266

This is, again, a Trump, Adelsen/Kushner/Netanya

Posted by: abierno | Jan 3 2020 20:44 utc | 267

@ 266 asdf.. the coincidence of that is especially odd and from the nyt no less..

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2020 20:46 utc | 268

The photo of Soleimani with his men is very telling. Look at their faces. They are completely devoted to their leader. They will go anywhere and do whatever is required to avenge his death. US and UK have been beating up on Iran since the 1950s and now with Soleimani’s death Iranian soldiers will finally have the opportunity to strike back.
Now compare that to Uncle Sam’s soldiers who are simply thrown away at the end of their usefulness. Even military families are a source of profit for property managers that get paid huge fees to mismanage leaky and moldy family housing.
When a soldier’s mother is about to be deported to Mexico, will he be completely focused on killing The Enemy? From CNN:

A US Army officer got a call he was dreading on Thursday.
His mom had been deported to Mexico. She called her family from the other side of the border to let them know.
“I feel betrayed, to be honest,” 2nd Lt. Gibram Cruz told CNN affiliate KSWB. “A country that I’m serving, which I’ve served proudly…

Aircraft that can’t fly, ships waiting for repair, ship controls that don’t (and cause collisions), endlessly complicated systems that don’t quite work together, vulnerable supply lines, poor morale, bad leadership, etc. don’t sound like an ingredient list for success. But the inevitable failure of conventional forces will push Dear Leaders towards nukes. An unthinkable prospect.
Nena ‎- 99 Luftballons

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 3 2020 20:47 utc | 269

Do note the BigLie on the backdrop behind Trump as he lies further about his gangland murder. BigLie Media presstitutes will do nothing to challenge the illegality of Trump’s action and weave it into the already existing narrative.
It’s safe to assume Putin rues his thanking Trump for his aide in dealing with the St. Petersburg terrorist ring.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2020 20:52 utc | 270

@PavewayIV #268
The point is that it’s very easy to lend something when you can conjure more of it out of thin air. The destruction of tangible infrastructure makes no real difference. Losses can be papered over, as they have been many times in the past. The “petrodollar” (of which Saudi Arabia is a part) helps to maintain the reserve-currency status of the US dollar, but the “Western” banking system has been around far longer than that. As you allude to, it would probably take a successful revolution to end it altogether.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 3 2020 21:01 utc | 271

Just posted by TOM CAT
#BREAKING: US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces intent to designate Iran-backed militia Asaib Ahl al-Haq a terrorist organization, according to a media note from the US state department

Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 3 2020 21:05 utc | 272

Here the main reason I claim time is on the Eurasian side in this conflict against the USA:
US Factory Activity Shrinks the Most in 10-1/2-Years
The best tactic to defeat the USA in Iran’s case is the vietnamization of the conflict. As Esper’s tweet clearly illustrates, the USA is desperate to draw Iran in to an open battlefield. Contrary to the popular myth, the Americans are not stupid: they know they don’t have much time left.
And there’s more. If Trump really signs the trade deal with China on the January 15th are refocus his last year in the Middle East, then this will be an admission of defeat in the trade war against China. The terms of the “first phase” of the trade deal are humiliating for the USA: it essentially exchanges no tarriffs for American commodities for no tarriffs on Chinese manufactured goods. This will mean China will reprimarize America’s economy, thus accelerating its path towards Thirdworldization of its people’s lives and living standards.
China has already published an extraofficial statement, basically agreeing with this blog’s analysis. Time is running out for the world’s financial superpower.
Iran must swallow its pride and keep a cold head.

Posted by: vk | Jan 3 2020 21:05 utc | 273

This makes one almost wonder who this civilian contractor was at K1, accidentally or intentionally offed by the Katyusha…worthy of such a high profile retribution, by even more Katyusha no less! Sounds a bit personal.

Posted by: John Dowser | Jan 3 2020 21:07 utc | 274

Also tweeted by TOM CAT
#BREAKING: US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces intent to designate Iran-backed militia Asaib Ahl al-Haq a terrorist organization, according to a media note from the US state department

Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 3 2020 21:08 utc | 275

Its almost like you people forgot the Iranian people were crying out for help and were the lone grassroots color movement in 2009. While Obama was going around talking about the importance of freedom and that all people be able to determine their own destinies, he declares ONLY Iran’s movement to be illegitimate. Cue pallets of cash flown about!
The Theocracy is spook installed and controlled just as the old regime in North Korea was. Real Iranian people are cheering the death of Soleimani.

Posted by: joeschmoee | Jan 3 2020 21:09 utc | 276

from Magnier tweet
Iraq’s (Sunni) Grand Mufti Sheikh Mehdi Ahmed al-Sumaidaie calls on ALL Iraqi Sunnis to unite with Iraqi Shias in attacking the US:
”My army and I are ready to destroy America, The Great Satan. God is with us and we shall be victorious.”

Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 3 2020 21:15 utc | 277

Significant!:
“Iraq’s (Sunni) Grand Mufti Sheikh Mehdi Ahmed al-Sumaidaie calls on ALL Iraqi Sunnis to unite with Iraqi Shias in attacking the US:
“‘My army and I are ready to destroy America, The Great Satan. God is with us and we shall be victorious.'”
It was noted in another tweet that the murder marks the 5th decade in which the Evil Outlaw US Empire has attacked Iraq–FIFTH DECADE.
Oh, on the rumored deployment of the 82nd Airborne Division to Kuwait, that would concentrate them in one location ideal for rapidly liquidating it in one major strike. Meanwhile, Pompeo’s pushing his de-escalation lie to all and sundry.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 3 2020 21:15 utc | 278

Official comment of northern US subdivision pretending to be an independent country (just blaming Soleimani): https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2020/01/statement-from-minister-champagne.html

Posted by: Jean | Jan 3 2020 21:16 utc | 279

Cynica@274
“The destruction of tangible infrastructure makes no real difference. Losses can be papered over, as they have been many times in the past.”
Destruction of your cash cow and interrupting cash flow (however temporary) is an entirely different matter, especially when you’re already up to your neck in debt. And surely you realize there are secondary systemic effects of $150 oil. I don’t disagree that long term, the system can always adjust… if you can fend off the food riots and lamp posts until then. The Saudis certainly can’t, and I doubt the US can.
I’m not simply trying to be argumentative here. ‘The system’ (from my view in the US) is on life support now. We’re one disaster away from a collapse. I certainly don’t wish this to happen, I’m just saying that if I were iran…

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 3 2020 21:26 utc | 280

109 # Jay,
Yes of course,Jay.It’s the kind of reaction that comes up like a heaver ,(thank you Hoarsewhisperer for the word).
I do not know if you are an american.Of course I do not want the death of so many americans especially not of the nicer part of them that put up comments here.But as an average peace loving familyman who is in love with mother earth I still find it unbelievable to watch so much evil coming out of the city on the Potomac that I would indeed preferred it destroyed.On a weekday when the bad guys are working on their evil schemes.
My point is,that the only people that can actually change the face of the world for the better are the american people,and I don’t mean by voting.I can’t sketch you the way to do it,but it is really up to them,to make an end to this domination and grab all-you-can mentality that leads the world (to its abyss if the american people stay put).Where is the common good serviced?Are there any politicians working that way?Yes I can see Gabbard,but I cannot vote for her,and americans will not be able to vote for her either,as far as I can see….
We the people of Europe are witnesses to terrible events that originate in DC.If there is war coming,it will be most likely for the third time that Europe is destroyed,in hundred years only.We could choose and influence our leaders to be more independant,but the submission to USA is so deep that most people never notice.Misinformation reigns at such level that it makes a farce out of democracy.Here in France for instance ,the media and politicians can quibble for hours on the tiniest subjects,about a phrase ,a statement,but never they will discuss about foreign politics or the need of projecting the french army in over twenty foreign operation fields.and I can assure you that is is not even a subject in the presedential elections.So our hope,is that americans will act and do something about their government.Preferably without violence,the best would be to ridiculize them to death.
My second point is that I really think Iran should fight back now with some major action.Again I don’t know how,but in some way they must pertain to the executiv branc of military in the USA.For several years they have been bombed and fired at,in Syria,in Iraq,and mumbles a bit about retaliation,but no follow up.
It is interesting to notice how in MSM all the random actions by unknown authors that occurred in the last two years,are integrated as facts in the latest narratives.

Posted by: willie | Jan 3 2020 21:30 utc | 281

Trump is doing what the ZioCons want him to do. That leads to the USA being forced to exit Syria and Iraq – which was his intention all along. Trump is doing the right thing but in a very convoluted way.

Posted by: Alfred (Cairns) | Jan 3 2020 21:31 utc | 282

@ 282 jean.. thanks for that.. i have e mailed the people listed in that press release to tell them what i think of it too..

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2020 21:52 utc | 283

It seems obvious that what has changed here is that a move that the US could have taken, but chose not to, for years-the killing of General Soleimani- has been taken.
As most people seem to realise there is no logic behind the decision- it is most unlikely to benefit the United States or Israel. It is very likely to lead in both the short and long term to serious strategic reverses for Washington.
In short unless the US wants to start a war, which it could only win by using nuclear weapons, it looks as if the killing was nothing more than a crass and nasty attempt, by Trump and his minions (including Congress and such puppets as the UK and Canada), to dominate the headlines on a notoriously dull news day.
It is the sort of crude and amateurish political calculation that has all the signs of being the work of entitled, but not very bright, frat boys like Kushner, MBS and that political Peter Pan, Benjamin Netanyahu.
It would be comforting to think that Iran will respond in the same vein, but it won’t: the killing of Soleimani was, by all accounts, bad news for the Iranian defence forces.
It would be difficult to think of a US leader, politically or military, whose elimination would not significantly strengthen the US.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 3 2020 21:53 utc | 284

If ever there was an opportunity for a repeat US/Israeli 9/11 false-flag operation, this is it. MSM is hauling out every old Bush neocon and a bagful of more recently minted military-security propagandists disguised as ‘analysts’ to prepare the population for just about anything – for those few fools who still believe Trump is in any way at odds with the ‘Deep State’, just imagine your poor demented hero Trump being offed and Iran blamed while Netanyahu dances the night away.

Posted by: Artful Dodger | Jan 3 2020 22:03 utc | 285

Posted 20 minutes ago:
Y.N.M.S
‏ @ynms79797979
Diplomat Amir Mousavi said Washington sent an Arab envoy to Tehran with a proposal to lift the sanctions regime and provide economic assistance; in return, Iran is invited to abandon revenge for the murder of Kassem Suleimani.
1:40 PM – 3 Jan 2020
https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1213213602041270272
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Yep.
Uncle Schlomo is shitting his diapers.
lol.
X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 3 2020 22:03 utc | 286

I found the footage from the Iraqi attack on the US embassy in Baghdad to be interesting. The Iraqis came to within feet of the Americans, with only bulletproof glass between them. The expressions on the faces of the Americans was priceless. None of their usual swagger..

Posted by: Ingrid B | Jan 3 2020 22:06 utc | 287

92#Daniel.
I don’t know if you’re a regular contributor or reader to this wonderful website,but I have to say that you have a miserable way to provoke a regular contributor who often writes very clear and understandable posts with inherent logic and sometimes surprising angle,appreciated by many.
Your rant instead is based upon your own imagination and comes with some out of the blue accusations.William Gruff shows often that there are many more than two sides to a phenomenon.
In this regard I would point to the possibility that the proposal was given to DT,he faintly resisted,may be there was a threat,then he shouts out in anger,do what you want,for christ’s sake,leave me out,I’m gonna play golf.There has been an unusual twitter silence,or was there?
Well,maybe you are just as angry and upset as I am after this appalling assassination of one of the most respected personalities in the MiddleEast.I suppose Bashar al-Assad,another Hero of Humanity,has to double his watch as well.Good Luck in 2020.

Posted by: willie | Jan 3 2020 22:12 utc | 288

Trump will learn that killing the enemy is the easy part of a war.

No, killing THE enemy is never easy. Killing AN enemy is. But then several more pop up in his place. He (and the rest of us) will have to learn that the hard way.

Posted by: c matt | Jan 3 2020 22:12 utc | 289

The Iraqis seem to have been very disciplined at the embassy, making no attempt to attack personnel. In return the got what amounts to a particularly heinous double tap, considering that soleimani was on the way to the funeral.

Posted by: paul | Jan 3 2020 22:18 utc | 290

Completely unrelated:
Trump has a potential buyer for his hotel in DC

Posted by: mpn | Jan 3 2020 22:24 utc | 291

librul:
That link is pretty thin on documentation which could be checked.
Also, and more importantly, the Jews of Hungary weren’t rounded and shipped off to the camps up until after the Nazis invaded in 1944. Meaning that the holocaust was ongoing elsewhere for years by the time the Nazis started on Hungarian Jews.
You see, I’ve read your claims in various forms for years, and they never come with anything like sourcing one can check. That there were Jews, considered to be criminals, who cooperated with Nazis doesn’t make the Holocaust a Jewish plot to force the creation of Israel.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2020 22:34 utc | 292

Huge explosion in north Baghdad a few minutes ago
Thank you b for providing this platform at this historical moment.
I have a mixture of shock horror and anger at the present !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 3 2020 22:44 utc | 293

>But as an average peace loving familyman who is in love
>with mother earth I still find it unbelievable to watch
>so much evil coming out of the city on the Potomac that
>I would indeed preferred it destroyed.On a weekday when
>the bad guys are working on their evil schemes.
>Posted by: willie | Jan 3 2020 21:30 utc | 284
Even after living in the middle of the Empire for six decades, it still feels surreal, like James Bond movie Dr Evil characters are running the White House. How can one small group cause so much death and destruction? (Hint: the answer is “hierarchy”.)
There will be no revolution in Uncle Sam Land anytime soon. The rabid psychopaths at the very top will fight to the end. They will not quietly resign of exhaustion as we saw in the former “East Germany”.
The true middle class (doctors, lawyers, judges, academics, petite bourgeoisie) are being squeezed hard by outrageous housing costs, school loans, etc. but will kick both up and down as reactionaries do, to try to keep what property, control, and status they still have.
The rest of us peons are pooped out. We are exhausted, demoralized, ignorant, fearful, and divided into tiny groups each claiming biggest victim status. And completely class unconscious. This is very poor material for organizing any kind of movement. I can almost imagine how Gandhi might have felt when faced with the task of organizing millions of Indians to resist the British Empire.
Uncle Sam is quickly rotting from the inside. The corruption is everywhere. Even brand-new million dollar houses are uninhabitable due to poor construction (water leaks and mold are common). It has been a Mafia state at least since Alcohol Prohibition. That era saw the bootleggers buy politicians, prosecutors, judges, police, building inspectors, heath inspectors, everybody. Liquor is legal again, but the corruption never stopped; the bootleggers just moved into different lines of work. Yes of course Trump is gangster; that’s the kind of people who own casinos.
I don’t think anybody can push the river. When conditions get bad enough, people will finally start working together and form mutual aid societies to defend their interests, hopefully not as paramilitary gangs.
Sometimes a few sparks make the news, such as suburbanites that protected their neighbors from ICE agents:

Neighbors in the outskirts of Nashville prevented immigration officials from detaining a man in his driveway, and then formed a human chain to allow the man and his son to return to their home.

Eventually these small acts of resistance build confidence and encourage more actions that might put Uncle Sam on a better path. Unfortunately there will be much more suffering while this real-life Greek tragedy plays out.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 3 2020 22:47 utc | 294

If you didn’t already know Lindsey Graham was nuts – via ZeroHedge
“Graham Tells Trump To ‘Crush Iranian Economy’ By Targeting Oil Refineries After Assassination”
It’s not like the US is dependent on refineries or anything.

Posted by: Stever | Jan 3 2020 22:57 utc | 295

When something as horrible happens like the murder of Qassem Soleimani, I often think of the words of Joni Mitchell.
I picked the morning paper off the floor
It was full of other people’s little wars
Wouldn’t they like their peace
Don’t we get bored
And we call for the three great stimulants
Of the exhausted ones
Artifice, brutality and innocence
He saved millions from suffering under the yoke of terrorism and the west treats him like a terrorists It’s the lies that hurt the most. The pain will go away eventually leaving a place to remember him. I didn’t know him but I felt I did. Peace be with him now.
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jonimitchell/thethreegreatstimulants.html

Posted by: Tom | Jan 3 2020 22:59 utc | 296

This will probably sound insane, but hear me out, what if this was a strategic move by Soleimani and his entourage? This is a man who’s spent decades of his life in battle for his homeland. Seen nearly a million of his countrymen fall just to defend their revolution, then spent the past 6 years working with various forces around the region developing and building relations fighting against ISIS. After finally triumphing over ISIS as a territorial entity, his forces now find themselves in a position where their mere existence is antagonizing the belligerent Americans and “Israelis”. On a near weekly basis, dozens of the Iraqis that answered his call (and his Iranian and Syrian comrades) are being murdered, and the response from those outside of the groups actively braying for Iranian/Iraqi blood is constantly “be patient, practice restraint, be the better side to show the world you’re right”. Nothing they do appeases the aggressor, who wants nothing less than total capitulation. Even to try to demonstrate a degree of restrained rage about these murders by surrounding the embassy and smashing a few outposts up led to more accusations and treatment as if they had went in and murdered everybody inside. Now you pack several members of the old guard of the resistance (all of whom proudly proclaim that they’re willing to die for the cause) inside a few vehicles, representatives of forces in Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon and drive them in a place that, while you know your enemy is insane and doesnt care about this sort of thing and would just beat their chest saying they did it and they were in the right, should be an area where nobody targets delegates of the Iraqi government with guided missiles (and it is right under your enemy’s nose). Maybe sweeten the pot with a “Judas” or two passing on this information… Within a few hours the entire mood of the region is instantly shifted away from a declining outlook towards your aims into sheer fury at your enemy while simultaneously demonstrating that you have no fear and were willing to become a martyr… it seems brilliant really, even if it wasnt intentional.

Posted by: Yetanotheranon | Jan 3 2020 23:02 utc | 297

events are ramping up, seemingly toward war. which gets us first, war, climate change, or some kind of massive infrastructure meltdown? combination probably.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 3 2020 23:04 utc | 298

It would seem Trump is still escalating
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001041077936776-two-car-convoy-north-of-baghdad-under-aerial-attack—reports/

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 3 2020 23:06 utc | 299

The treachery, lies na fake news continue…while Trump states they did the attack on Soleimani and the stop a war with iran…the purge of anti-ISIS forces continue…
Two-Car Convoy North of Baghdad Under Aerial Attack – Reports
It seems they were carrying at least two senior PMU officials…
Then some analysts are saying the attack on Soleimani was done to better place the US for negitiations with Iran and Iraq, as if this administration would have any intention with this except wipping out the unique opposition to ISIS and with that the continuation of their plundering hegemony in the ME.

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 3 2020 23:07 utc | 300