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January 14, 2020

Trump's EU Poodles - Germany, Britain And France - Obey His Order To Kill The Nuclear Deal With Iran

The European poodles who co-signed the nuclear deal with Iran - Britain, France and Germany (the EU3) - have been told by the Trump administration to kill the agreement. Today they started the process to do so. The other co-signers, Russia, China and Iran, continue to support the deal.


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Despite claiming to support the nuclear deal the EU-3 always searched for ways to put more restrictions on Iran, especially on its ballistic missile program.

In May 2018 the U.S. left the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA as the agreement is known, and reintroduced sanctions against Iran.

While the Europeans had said that they would continue to support the deal they have succumbed to the threat of secondary sanctions the U.S. said it would impose against them if they trade with Iran. As all payments between Iran and its trade partners are impeded by the sanctions, trade between Europe and Iran has come essentially to a halt. The Europeans have attempted to set up an alternative trade facilitating instrument known as INSTEX. But the mechanism, which also imposes additional conditions on Iran, has failed to function.

The Europeans could have implemented several other measures to counter the U.S. sanction threat. They failed to do so.

In June 2018 Iran triggered the Dispute Resolution Mechanism of the deal (explained below) by sending an official letter to the coordinator of JCPOA Joint Commission. A Joint Commission meeting was held in which the EU3 again promised that they would hold up their side of the deal:

6.​The participants recognised that, in return for the implementation by Iran of its nuclear-related commitments, the lifting of sanctions, including the economic dividends arising from it, constitutes an essential part of the JCPOA.
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8.​The participants affirmed their commitment regarding the following objectives in good faith and in a constructive atmosphere:
  • the maintenance and promotion of wider economic and sectoral relations with Iran;
  • the preservation and maintenance of effective financial channels with Iran;
  • the continuation of Iran’s export of oil and gas condensate, petroleum products and petrochemicals;

But those promises were empty. Trade between Europa and Iran failed to revive as the European countries failed to stand up against U.S. sanctions. By succumbing to Trump's secondary sanction threat the Europeans effectively reintroduced their own sanctions against Iran.

A year later and in consequence of the failure by the Europeans to provide effective sanction relief, as was promised under the JCPOA, Iran started to exceed certain limits the deal had set on its civil nuclear program. It justified the move by pointing to Article 26 of the JCPOA (pdf):

26. The EU will refrain from re-introducing or re-imposing the sanctions that it has terminated implementing under this JCPOA, without prejudice to the dispute resolution process provided for under this JCPOA. There will be no new nuclear- related UN Security Council sanctions and no new EU nuclear-related sanctions or restrictive measures. The United States will make best efforts in good faith to sustain this JCPOA and to prevent interference with the realisation of the full benefit by Iran of the sanctions lifting specified in Annex II.
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Iran has stated that it will treat such a re-introduction or re-imposition of the sanctions specified in Annex II, or such an imposition of new nuclear-related sanctions, as grounds to cease performing its commitments under this JCPOA in whole or in part.

In five steps taken since, each two month apart, Iran began to use more modern types of Uranium enrichment centrifuges, increased the number of active centrifuges, lifted the level of enrichment and exceeded other limits the deal had set. All these steps were done under the watchful eyes of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) which continues to observe and report all details of Iran's program. All these steps can easily be reversed should the other signatories fulfill their commitments under the deal.

Today Britain, France and Germany themselves triggered the Dispute Resolution Mechanism of the deal with a common letter:

The E3 have fully upheld our JCPoA commitments, including sanctions-lifting as foreseen under the terms of the agreement. In addition to the lifting of all sanctions, required by our commitments under the agreement, we have worked tirelessly to support legitimate trade with Iran, including through the INSTEX special purpose vehicle.
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However, in the meantime Iran has continued to break key restrictions set out in the JCPoA. Iran’s actions are inconsistent with the provisions of the nuclear agreement and have increasingly severe and non-reversible proliferation implications.

We do not accept the argument that Iran is entitled to reduce compliance with the JCPoA. Contrary to its statements, Iran has never triggered the JCPoA Dispute Resolution Mechanism and has no legal grounds to cease implementing the provisions of the agreement.
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We have therefore been left with no choice, given Iran’s actions, but to register today our concerns that Iran is not meeting its commitments under the JCPoA and to refer this matter to the Joint Commission under the Dispute Resolution Mechanism, as set out in paragraph 36 of the JCPoA.

The approach is based on lies, extremely legalistic and unfair. Yes, technically the Europeans have lifted their sanctions. But at the same time they are imposing the U.S. sanctions against Iran. They do not buy Iranian oil or other products. They do not sell anything to Iran as payments from Iran are blocked. The outcome for Iran is no different than under the sanctions that were imposed before the deal was made. To point to the creation of INSTEX is laughable as no deals have been made under that mechanism beacause it only facilitates impractical barter deals and is restricted to certain products.

That Iran has "never triggered the JCPoA Dispute Resolution Mechanism" is an outright lie. The Joint Commission met on July 6 2018 at a ministerial level because Iran had triggered the mechanism. The Joint Statement issued after that meeting says so:

1.​ Upon the request of the Islamic Republic of Iran, a meeting of the Joint Commission of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) was held on 6 July in Vienna at ministerial level. The Joint Commission met to discuss the way forward to ensure the continued implementation of the nuclear deal in all its aspects ...

The Dispute Resolution Mechanism, laid out in article 36 and 37 of the JCPOA, foresees a short time discussion period about the grievances that triggered it. Should those discussions fail to find a solution the issue is escalated to the UN Security Council. If the UNSC fails to vote on a resolution in favor of Iran all UN sanctions that were imposed on Iran before the JCPOA deal was signed will be automatically reactivated.

The timeline for the process is tight. First the Joint Commission of JCPOA signatory countries has fifteen days to find a solution. Then the foreign ministers of those countries have another fifteen days. Five days later any JCPOA signatory can escalate the issue to the UNSC. If the UNSC does not vote against the reintroduction of sanctions within 30 days, which the U.S. would surely prevent by using its veto right, UN sanctions against Iran will automatically snap-back.

As the EU3 now triggered the process, 65 days from now Iran is likely to be again under full UN sanctions.

The EU3 will of course mealymouthily explain that they want Iran to pull back its program so that it does not exceed any limit of deal. But why should Iran do that as long as the EU3 follow US sanctions against Iran and implement them against it? The EU3 have no reasonable answer to that questions.

Iran has no real incentive to stick to the JCPOA limits as long as sanctions are held up against it. When the UN sanctions snap back it is likely to leave the JCPOA even if China and Russia continue to trade with it.

The outcome here is 100% predictable. UN sanctions will snap back. Then the Trump administration will relaunch the 'nuclear Iran' propaganda campaign and will threaten Iran with war.

The EU countries who failed to hold up the deal will now globally be perceived as the poodles they are. They will, like the U.S., be seen as 'agreement incapable' countries who fail to stick to the deals they make. Their utterly servile behavior towards the U.S. is disastrous for their reputation.

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Yes, that whole embassy thing and it has a very plausible alternative story.
Somehow word got out to the souk about the SAVAK hidden inside by the CIA.
The same CIA that had evacuated their personnel from the embassy a mere day before.
The SAVAK were pulled from the compound and torn to pieces(literally) by the enraged crowd who with bloodlust running
were looking to mete out the same fate to the embassy staff.
The revolutionary guard faced of that crowd a million strong and a compromise reached that saved their lives while tempers cooled.
Now read that chronology again.The embassy was set up, the staff and SAVAK were meant to die.
Who had evacuated their personnel and who put the SAVAK inside.
2+2=4, there are no coincidences in geopolitics.The US narrative has been a lie for for forty years.

Posted by: winston2 | Jan 15 2020 1:20 utc | 101

This comment is not on topic, although it is related to a major legal issue which is what the JCPOA is ultimately.

"'Awesome, Brilliant, Necessary': "Seattle Bans Foreign-Influenced Corporations From Spending in Local Elections:

"'This landmark campaign finance legislation bans corporations like Amazon and Bank of America from infiltrating the city’s electoral process.'"

The article explains how Seattle was able to accomplish what will hopefully be a major string of similar laws enacted across the land. The premise is quite simple. Too bad American citizens can't take further control of their lives and how their tax dollars are wasted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15 2020 1:22 utc | 102

Jerusalem Post Israel News By HERB KEINON JANUARY 14, 2020
Johnson's backing of nuclear deal plan is a boon to Netanyahu - analysis
The British Prime Minister has come out in support for US President Trump's stance on the Iran nuclear deal - much to the delight of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Now one can pen an anti-Semitic commentary using the same words.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 15 2020 1:31 utc | 103

Some rather alarming news this morning (here); Pompeo now says the assasination of Soleimani was deterrence.
Not stopping there, he went on to say that U.S. deterrence also applies to Russia and China!
I'd say the gauntlet has been thrown down; just how far behind can war be now?
The U.S. has been pushing the limits of international crime for decades; and I think they're so used to being not challenged, that they forget (or stupidly think they're invincible) Russia and China will fight rather than cow tow to any U.S. coercion...
IMO, we just entered a new and far more dangerous era...

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 1:32 utc | 104

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2020 0:47 utc | 93

Spot on about Canada...

Oddly enough the current PM's father, who was also a PM decades earlier, had more of a backbone with the US re foreign policy than most any PM since. For example, Canada's had a good relationship with Cuba since the revolution - much to the chagrin of the US.

Although Canada's been bullied by the US in the past, like the gutting of our budding aerospace sector (Avro Arrow & Jetliner cancellation), but things took a definitive turn for the worse with the North American Free Trade Agreement in the late 1980's which killed manufacturing & decimated many communities. IMHO we became the 51st state then. Why send US troops over the border when we literally gave away the farm and our sovereignty for nothing. And NAFTA 2.0 and TPP make things infinitely worse. And to add insult to injury the majority of people have NO clue - they are all embroiled in red team v blue team histrionics or identity politics or outrage culture. And Bill C-51 seriously dampens free speech, hence my nom de plume

For all intents and purposes the country is lost. I will tough it out for my family but I will not abide tyranny without a fight

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 15 2020 1:37 utc | 105

I doubt is soley or even primarily US influence. Is more likely we share same owners. Qui bono.

Posted by: jared | Jan 15 2020 1:40 utc | 106

@ peter AU1 85

Thanks. The UN issued a statement this afternoon FWIW: the usual empty statement -

UN calls on parties to Iran nuclear deal to take effort to keep it in place


Spokesperson for the UN Secretary-General Stephane Dujarric also called on Iran to continue cooperating with the International Atomic Energy Agency

THE UNITED NATIONS, January 14. /TASS/. The United Nations calls on all parties to the Iran nuclear deal to spare no effort to keep it in place, Stephane Dujarric, Spokesperson for the UN Secretary-General, said on Tuesday commenting on Germany’s, France’s and the United Kingdom’s decision to trigger the deal’s dispute resolution mechanism

"We're, obviously, aware of what happened this morning, of the joint announcement made by the three and the confirmation made by the EU diplomatic chief," Dujarric said. "We continue to call on parties to work together to do whatever they can to preserve the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action]." [.]

It must be time for cocktails. Useless eaters.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 15 2020 1:42 utc | 107

Passer by @61--

Didn't know that about Merkel; yet another reason she qualifies as a cowardly poodle. It's also clear, IMO, that Merkel lied to Putin and the press about her position on the JCPOA at their post-talks presser:

Putin: "We certainly could not ignore another issue which is vitally important not only for the region but also for the whole world – the issue of preserving the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action on Iran’s nuclear programme. After the United States withdrew from this fundamental agreement, the Iranian side declared that they suspended some of their voluntary commitments under the JCPOA. Let me underscore this – they only suspended their voluntary commitments while they stress their readiness to go back to full compliance with the nuclear deal.

"Russia and Germany resolutely stand for the continued implementation of the Joint Plan. The Iranians are entitled to a support from European nations, which promised to set up a special financial vehicle separate from the US dollar to be used in trade settlements with Iran. The Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges (INSTEX) must finally begin working."

Merkel, statement: "Of course, we also discussed Iran. We agree that everything necessary must be done to preserve the JCPOA. Germany believes that there should be no nuclear weapons in Iran, and therefore we will use all the available diplomatic means to preserve this agreement, even though it is not perfect, but it includes obligations of all the sides."

Merkel answering a question: " I have mentioned an issue on which we do not see eye to eye with the Americans (JCPOA), even though they are our allies with whom we are working together on many matters. But when it comes to German and European opinions, we are acting above all in our own interests, while Russia is upholding its own interests, so we should look for common interests in this process.

"Despite certain obstacles, we have found common interests in our bilateral relations regarding the JCPOA with Iran. We have common opinions and different views, but a visit such as this one is the best thing. It is better to talk with each other rather than about one another, because it helps one to understand the other side’s arguments."

It's very clear from Russia's reaction that the EU-3's action was a complete surprise. I doubt Merkel will be invited to Moscow again. For Russians and the rest of humanity, there's no trusting the West. IMO, it must always be treated as hostile regardless the smiles.
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Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15 2020 1:45 utc | 108

@ karlof1

Much like Trump - says one thing then immediately does something else. Only makes sense if in fact is outside thier control.

Posted by: jared | Jan 15 2020 1:52 utc | 109

It secretly hates multipolarity due to its internal degeneration and psychological castration, seeing multipolarity as illiberal, and thus threatening to ultimately lead to illiberals taking power within the EU.

Thus it will stab Russia, China or Iran the moment it is safe to do so (due to its hidden hatred for their illiberalism), yet it will also stab the US in the back the moment it is safe to do so and it is about making some money."

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 14 2020 21:57 utc | 61

Are all those the EU intends to stab in the back the true multipolar order? Or anyone else they need to stab after they stabbed the US?

Posted by: moon | Jan 15 2020 2:02 utc | 110

#39 Kooshy!!

Great to run into you again. Indeed by signing on to the JCPOA Iran demontrated a number of things. 1) Iran keeps her word. 2) The US never does. 3) Europe's role is to smile while preparing to stab you in the back. 4) The US will sacrifice her own interests for Israel's everytime.

I think all of us could have predicted all that. But what I could never have predicted was the complete in your face nature of American imperialism. It is one thing for there to be overwhelming evidence against a suspect. It's quite another for him to openly brag about his crimes and then promise to commit even more. That is why Trump's presidency is a blessing for Iran. If you happen to be in Iran, please share with us any information about the national mood and how people are coping in difficult circumstances.

Posted by: Lysander | Jan 15 2020 2:04 utc | 111

Copeland@100
Orwell's problem was that the Soviet Union was pursuing Russia's strategic interests. Much of his criticism was justifiable but only in a context in which the malignant and pro-fascist attitudes of the 'neutral'"democracies" (UK, France US) were taken for granted. Looking back on the Soviet Union's foreign policy in the 1930s it is entirely understandable that a cardinal objective was to rebuild the Entente of 1914 to deter Germany. This excellent article
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/01/12/what-poland-has-to-hide-about-the-origins-of-world-war-ii/
that karlofi linked to the other day is a reminder of this.
The Soviet Union was desperately trying to prevent the alliance between Nazis and Liberals that it realised was, in ideological terms, almost inevitable.

As we look around the world today it can be seen that they were right then. But that the alliance was not really between the, related, ideologies of liberalism and fascism but the geo-political realities that they masked. Namely the imperialism of western Europe and the maritime Empire (now HQ'd in Washington, then centred in London, previously in Amsterdam).

Nothing is changed- Eurasia is still, as it has been since Vasco da Gama's time, the main dish on the imperialist menu. And the Empire is determined to treat China, Russia and the vast lands (including Iran) that depend on their protection, as the enemy.
That is what Pompeo and Trump are about and that is why the poodles (who actually form a pack of hunting hounds kept by the Master of the Washington-Wall St Hunt) are doing what they do.
And that too is why the Trudeau-Freeland axis continues to pursue the policies of using Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic statelets, to weaken and harass Russia. Trudeau's sympathy for fascism, incidentally, is inherited from his father who, in his youth, during the War, rode a motor bike with a wehrmacht helmet, long before Hells Angels dreamed of such things.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2020 2:11 utc | 112

Trumps calculations were (obviously) right. EU would have never risked a massive economic crisis because of a breakdown in US-EU trade by siding with Iran.
Sadly, they are doing what every other country would do in this position to protect their own self percieved national interests.

Like China,India and Russia too now more and more totally abiding by sanctions and in case of China winding down oil trade even more.

In this time of lurking economic crisis, US sanctions could cripple Europe from one day to the next. With our countries also being on the edge of social unrest, and mass conflict between elites and people, a massive economic crisis would bring everything tumbling down.

This is the sad reality. Risking the sure economic meltdown to save an already lost Iran deal would trade the social and economic welbeing of their voters for Iran.
The deal has been lost ever since Trump annouced his opposition.
This is the reality. Triggering a crisis on the back of its own voters without a real chance to save that deal would have been an empty gesture anyway.

Realpolitik.

Good thing is Merkel seems to have had a great day with Putin. EU will silently learn from this and warm ties with Russia. If not for its people, for its business.

The deal was a good idea, but it always was destined to end like this. Iran will go nuclear, and the US and Isreal will have "no alternative" for shooting war. If they dare now.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Jan 15 2020 2:14 utc | 113

Paragragh 14 of the UNSC resolution is worth thinking about.

"14. Affirms that the application of the provisions of previous resolutions
pursuant to paragraph 12 do not apply with retroactive effect to contracts signed
between any party and Iran or Iranian individuals and entities prior to the date of
application, provided that the activities contemplated under and execution of such
contracts are consistent with the JCPOA, this resolution and the previous
resolutions;"

To date, only Russia and China are holding up their ends of the deal. Iran, sticking to the deal is on the losing side as it has no trade with the EU yet it still must stay within the provisions of the deal. I believe there were clauses on what Iran could do if other parties were not upholding their end.
The nuke deal is dead and Iran knows it. Under Paragragh 14, Russia China can sign up to all deals allowed under the resolution and when snapback provisions occur, Iran Russia china can still operate contracts it has signed before sanctions reinstated. This way, Iran gets the benefits of trade and investment with China and Russia that could not have occurred before the nuke deal, but at the same time, Iran will no longer be bound by the deal.
China signed up a huge oil deal with Iran not long back. Russia have also been signing a good number of contracts. None of these will be effected by UNSC sanction.

Overall, the nuke deal was a win for Iran. Pity the US and Euro's have reneged, but still, a win for Iran.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2020 2:30 utc | 114

Does the United States's withdrawal from the JCPOA constitute non-compliance, or not? If so, does their non-compliance constitute breach of contract, or not?

Posted by: Joshua | Jan 15 2020 2:39 utc | 115

Peter AU 1 @114--

Now Peter, do you really think the Outlaw US Empire or its poodles will abide by contract law in general and the JCPOA contract law specifically?

IMO, the JCPOA's outcome is becoming similar to the outcome of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in that it bought time and showed who's the true aggressor. I recall writing the Eurasians need to behave as if they're at war with the EU-3 and their master--and that includes the Eurasian nations who so far aren't too much affected by the fallout from the JCPOA's failure.

What has me curious is the nature of the talks between Iran and Qatar.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15 2020 2:43 utc | 116

steven t johnson@5

Please note that most Jews who adhere to their religion are anti-Zionist and believe that Israel should not exist! Furthermore, all Zionists are anti-semitic, as semites are defined as the people of the region. Zionists unfortunately dominate Palestine as all Israeli citizens worldwide get to vote. As Zionist “Jews” outside Palestine are generally dual citizens they are able to swing the vote to get Zionists elected in the so-called government.

The Zionists worldwide control most world governments are thus able to get away with killing Muslims and Christians in Palestine. They are also able to beat up real religious anti-Zionist Jews on a daily basis and run an open-air concentration camp for the Muslims. Thus the bitch with the Israeli flag is appropriate.

You also missed that the Islamic radical on the right wears the wrong flag. The correct flag on his dress should have been that of the UAE. The UAE is run by a Salafi (Wahhabi) called BDZ who is the man behind the head chopper MBS who runs Saudi Arabia. You should also realize that BDZ is also hated by the new Emir of Oman.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=UAE+flag

The flag shown on the cartoon is actually that of Qatar which is in conflict with Saudi Arabia and the UAE and is supported by Turkey and Iran. Turkey provides about 3,000 troops to Qatar to prevent Qatar from being invaded by Saudi Arabia. Iran provides goods and food to Qatar to save it from the blockade. If you were paying attention when the Qatar foreign minister recently visited Iran you would have seen that the Qatar flag was red and black rather than red and white out of respect.

While Qatar is against the Syrian government the reason is that Qatar supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Turkey and Pan Turkic expansionism. Likewise, Qatar also wants the destruction of the Syrian government so that it can run a gas pipeline to the Syrian coast.

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 15 2020 2:50 utc | 117

karlof1

What I find interesting, is that if I am interpreting claus or paragragh 14 correctly, under no circumstances could Iran lose by signing up to the nuke deal. As far as US and poodles go Iran would have a reasonable win if they were not agreement capable and a big win, if against all odds, they were.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2020 2:51 utc | 118

Only a matter of when and how.The warmongers have Trumps balls in a vice, he can't even resign without making it worse by letting Pence take over.The art of the squeal,very high pitched is whats happening in DC.

Posted by: winston2 | Jan 14 2020 19:50 utc | 7

Now I will have to cry myself to sleep. Trump, such a poor man...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 15 2020 3:11 utc | 119

Peter AU1 @114

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Under Paragragh 14, Russia China can sign up to all deals allowed under the resolution and when snapback provisions occur, Iran Russia china can still operate contracts it has signed before sanctions reinstated.

Not sure about that. Paragraph 14 has this constraining language:

... provided that the activities contemplated under and execution of such contracts are consistent with the JCPOA, this resolution and the previous resolutions.
My reading of this phrase is that he word "and" implies that the contracts must satisfy provisions of ALL of these.

Put another way: When the snap back occurs, then contracts signed are exempt except that they must comply with the provisions that are snapped back (AND) the JCPOA, AND this resolution!?!?

Yes, it seems nonsensical. But how else can one interpret the "and"?

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Overall, the nuke deal was a win for Iran.

It was a 'win' for both sides.

I've always believed that USA entered into the JCPOA to buy time because Syrian "regime change" was taking longer than expected. I've read many times that neocons and/or neocon sympathizers believed that "Damascus is on the road" to Tehran."

USA-Israel want to fight Iran before it gets a bomb. Iran bought time to prepare for that fight.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15 2020 3:12 utc | 120

The EU cannot lead in anything - it is a completely owned and operated US tool. It is a big zero in providing humanity any help with the big problem of our time: the 'indispensable and exceptional' supremacist US. by: AriusArmenian @ 15

evilempire @ 74 <= I agree the Iranians probably did not shoot down the 737.. I posted to MOA a link to a presstv article, headlined no missile hit the passenger liner, and the link even said --its official.. within a short few minutes after tha, the pressTV link disappeared and PressTV replaced it with a new story , Iranians admit they had mistakenly shot down the PS752 taking off from Tehran. This suggest either a military coup in Iran, or Iraq double crossed Iran. killed in Iraq by Trump were the leaders of the Shia religious arm (IRCG leaders )

The unusually harsh words and expression in anger by Khomeini, said he would severely punish those 8 persons responsible for the mistake, <= non characteristic of Khomeini , suggesting a trusted friend let him down; the two arms of the Military may be at war with each other and Trump was helping the Iranian Military (eliminate the upper leadership of the Revolutionary guard)? Today's JCOPA by the European powers issue suggest insiders have been at work all weekend. Russia and China silence all fit betrayal. Have the two separate branches of Iran military been at odds with each?
Imagine the White house wiping out Qaseum Soleimani and other IRCG members drawn on false pretense into Iraq.?

here is Bs report on the matter
The Iranian Armed Forces General Staff just admitted (in Farsi, English translation) that its air defenses inadvertently shot down the Ukrainian flight PS 752 shortly after it took off on January 8 in Tehran :

2- In early hours after the missile attack [on US’ Ain al-Assad base in Iraq], the military flights of the US’ terrorist forces had increased around the country. The Iranian defence units received news of witnessing flying targets moving towards Iran’s strategic centres, and then several targets were observed in some [Iranian] radars, which incited further sensitivity at the Air Defence units.
3- Under such sensitive and critical circumstances, the Ukrainian airline’s Flight PS752 took off from Imam Khomeini Airport, and when turning around, it approached a sensitive military site of the IRGC, taking the shape and altitude of a hostile target. In such conditions, due to human error and in an unintentional move, the airplane was hit [by the Air Defence], which caused the martyrdom of a number of our compatriots and the deaths of several foreign nationals.

4- The General Staff of the Armed Forces offers condolences and expresses sympathy with the bereaved families of the Iranian and foreign victims, and apologizes for the human error. It also gives full assurances that it will make major revision in the operational procedures of its armed forces in order to make impossible the recurrence of such errors. It will also immediately hand over the culprits to the Judicial Organization of the Armed Forces for prosecution.

The Pentagon had claimed that Iran shot down the airliner but the evidence it presented was flimsy and not sufficient as the U.S. tends to spread disinformation about Iran.

The Associated Press errs when it says that the move was "stoked by the American drone strike on Jan. 3 that killed top Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani". The move was stoked five days earlier when the U.S. killed 31 Iraqi security forces near the Syrian border despite the demands by the Iraqi prime minister and president not to do so. It was further stoked when the U.S. assassinated Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes, the deputy commander of the Popular Militia Forces and a national hero in Iraq.b at 19:09 UTC | Comments (150)

The State Department issued a rather aggressive response to Abdul-Mahdi's request:b at 19:09 UTC | Comments (150)
Very interesting post. something is up Thanks.

Posted by: snake | Jan 15 2020 3:42 utc | 121

This picture

https://www.moonofalabama.org/images5/europeanpoodles.jpg

in many ways resembles another picture:

https://i.redd.it/ahft7ubghjt31.jpg

Posted by: Mao | Jan 15 2020 3:51 utc | 122

Mao | Jan 15 2020 3:51 utc | 122

Great catch! Thanks...

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 4:04 utc | 123

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 4:04 utc | 123

Current Europe is a selling girl of imperialism.

Posted by: Mao | Jan 15 2020 4:19 utc | 124

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Jan 15 2020 2:14 utc | 113

thanks, yes, the US economic power directly and indirectly via economic laws or extra-territorial sanctions. A company simply cannot make a deal with Iran if it doesn't want to be ruined by US legal means. Sad, but true.

Iranian frozen assets in international accounts are calculated to be worth between $100 billion[1][2] and $120 billion.[3][4] Almost $1.973 billion of Iran's assets are frozen in the United States.[5] According to the Congressional Research Service, in addition to the money locked up in foreign bank accounts, Iran's frozen assets include real estate and other property. The estimated value of Iran's real estate in the U.S. and their accumulated rent is $50 million.[1] Besides the assets frozen in the U.S., some parts of Iran's assets are frozen around the world by the United Nations.[1]

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Now I will have to cry myself to sleep. Trump, such a poor man...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 15 2020 3:11 utc | 119

Yes, I am getting tired of that meme too. The poor helpless king of the world, if only he could do what he wants ... if only he could "drain the swamp"

He promised to abolish the JCPOA, he suggested he would deal with the increase of Iran's power in the region and he promised to restore US and military power to it's old (lost) world domination. A world domination Russia and China would need to deal with too:

He already promised he would abolish JCPOA during his 2016 election campaign. And he promised to not only make both the American economy and military strong again. So America can exert at least as much power as it did under the great Ronald Reagan.

Secondly, we have to rebuild our military and our economy. The Russians and Chinese have rapidly expanded their military capability, but look at what’s happened to us. Our nuclear weapons arsenal, our ultimate deterrent, has been allowed to atrophy and is desperately in need of modernization and renewal. And it has to happen immediately. Our active duty armed forces have shrunk from 2 million in 1991 to about 1.3 million today. The Navy has shrunk from over 500 ships to 272 ships during this same period of time. The Air Force is about one-third smaller than 1991. Pilots flying B-52s in combat missions today. These planes are older than virtually everybody in this room.

And what are we doing about this? President Obama has proposed a 2017 defense budget that in real dollars, cuts nearly 25 percent from what we were spending in 2011. Our military is depleted and we’re asking our generals and military leaders to worry about global warming.

We will spend what we need to rebuild our military. It is the cheapest, single investment we can make. We will develop, build and purchase the best equipment known to mankind. Our military dominance must be unquestioned, and I mean unquestioned, by anybody and everybody.

Posted by: moon | Jan 15 2020 4:58 utc | 125

Mao | Jan 15 2020 4:19 utc | 124
Current Europe is a selling girl of imperialism.

Indeed! The western band of galoots are captives of their white skin color...
Very unbecoming to the rest of the non-white world = majority.
Fortunately, many of us see past our skin colors, whatever that may be...

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 5:02 utc | 126

We will spend what we need to rebuild our military. It is the cheapest, single investment we can make. We will develop, build and purchase the best equipment known to mankind. Our military dominance must be unquestioned, and I mean unquestioned, by anybody and everybody.

Posted by: moon | Jan 15 2020 4:58 utc | 125

Oh, we'll spend the money alright; for more of the inferior, junk, weaponry already in our arsenals.
Planes that can't fly in the rain, aircraft carriers that can't be commisioned, and battle rifles (that's a misnomer; the M-14 was the last U.S. battle rifle) (M-4 & M-16) that are unreliable in intense combat situations. The M-16 should have been replaced during the Viet Nam war...
But there it still is; almost 60 years later...

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 5:15 utc | 127

steven t. jonhson @5

Personally I thought the cartoon was pretty good. The artist even thought that the detail of the dogs' ass holes was important enough to include. Notably none of them have any external genitalia, hence "bitches" also being accurate. I bet if we could see the rendition from the other side, Israel's face would be hideous despite the appealing rear view!

Posted by: Lurker of the Dark | Jan 15 2020 5:41 utc | 128

This probably paves the way for the U.S. to renew its aggressive campaign of sabotage and negative PR on Venezuela. I expect a new U.S. fomented and financed coup any day now. While the overall scenario is more complex, most of it falls down on the petrodollar. Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world and have been fighting the Americans and international vulture capitalists for decades as have the Iranians, just in terms of how their oil is traded.

Elliott Abrams and Random Guy-do will be in the news, and shortly.

Posted by: Lurker of the Dark | Jan 15 2020 5:47 utc | 129

Trump is a bully and a tyrant and he embodies perfectly what America is and stands for...brute force. For all those who thought he was taking the Empire down; if that were the case, the EU would reply FU to Trump. Instead they're shaking in their boots.

Trump sent over 14,000 more troops to to the ME only since last May! And is he satisfied with that? HELL NO. He wants NATO stationed there too!

And, he has the 2nd in command of Iran murdered and brings everyone to the brink, but he has not an iota of regret and continues thumping his chest and beating the drums of war.

That looks like a bigger footprint to me.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 15 2020 5:59 utc | 130

This is a repeat of the EU3 negotiations with Iran that ended with a EU3 deal offered to Iran that experts called "a lot of pretty wrappig around an empty box" because as it turned out, the EU3 had been promising the US that they would not recognize Iran's right to enrichment contrary to what they were telling the Iranians as part of the EU3's effort to drag out Iran's suspension of enrichment.
The result was that Khatami was embarrassed and Ahmadinejad was elected, as Jack Straw said later: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/us-scuppered-deal-with-iran-in-2005-says-then-british-foreign-minister/

So again the Eu is playing the good cop to the US bad cop, and they keep goalposts moving
This has been a consistent pattern going back years.
All along Iran has been making better compromise offers than the JCPOA only to see the goalposts moved because this conflict was never really about nukes just as the invasion of Iraq was not about WMDs, all that is just a pretext for a policy of imposed regime-change.

NOTE That the Obama administration itself said that the JCPOA is "non-binding" funny how Iran is accused of "breaching" or "violating" it yet Trump is only said to have "abandoned" or even "withdrawn" from the deal

Posted by: Cyrus | Jan 15 2020 6:50 utc | 131

Sad news. European leaders are pathetic, craven cowards, hostages to the evil American Regime...

https://richardhennerley.com/2020/01/14/welcome-to-the-american-regime/

Posted by: Richard | Jan 15 2020 6:50 utc | 132

"President Rohani represent's the interests of the bourgeoisie in Tehran and Esfahan, merchants oriented toward international trade and hard hit by US sanctions. Sheikh Rohani is a long time friend of the US deep state: he was the first Iranian contact between the Reagan administration and Israel during the Iran-contra affair in 1985. It was he who introduced Hashem Rafsanjani to Oliver North's men, allowing him to buy arms, to become commander-in-chief of the armies and incidentally the richest man in the country, and the president of the Islamic Republic."
Thierry Meyssan. Voltairenet. org.
Wednesday morning, my first read before b's M. O. A. is Thierry. Really folks, it is indespensible. One can support the I. R. I.,but still reserve criticism of the domestic politics of Iran.

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 15 2020 6:51 utc | 133

Outside the West, people don't see any difference between Europe and the USA. So it is known that which ever direction the US takes, Europe will follow. Both the USA and Europe are Israeli colonies. So unless Israel objects whatever the US does would always be the Eurooean policy.

Posted by: Steve | Jan 15 2020 6:56 utc | 134

Good (long) discussion with Tulsi who talks IRAN with Guests Stephen Kinzer & Dennis Kucinich - Intro by Kim Iversen - Concord, NH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-W9b-_K_Xo&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 15 2020 7:25 utc | 135

Kooshy, I too am pleased to see you still around. I noticed you surfaced here. We met somewhere else verbally (PL SST, I dropped my older aka for good now)

I don't think that Trump will start a war against Iran. He's pretty crazy, but not quite as crazy. It feels he would like to triump/succeed by simpler means, as Reagan the Second?: Iranians will do it for him? ...

Besides what Coalition of the Willing would he be able to find? Can Bush's "New Europe" be convinced this time around? Spain, once again? They were lured into Europe and NATO by different promises, remember. Israel, "the force for peace and justice", would join the US?

Israel, our great friend and the one true democracy in the Middle East has been snubbed and criticized by an administration that lacks moral clarity. Just a few days ago, Vice President Biden again criticized Israel, a force for justice and peace, for acting as an impatient peace area in the region.

Just try to imagine that, for a second? The UK?

https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2020/01/03/suleimani-assassination/

I am much more worried about the US sanctions regime, really. The sad story is that the Europeans don't have an easy way out of the US economic and economic war entanglement.

Posted by: moon | Jan 15 2020 7:52 utc | 136

Gen Wesley Clark on US going to war in 7 countries in 5 yrs. This is an interesting YouTube video. It's not if we go to war with Iraq...but when. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbg11pCwOc


Posted by: Bernie | Jan 15 2020 8:04 utc | 137

Annex B, paragraph 5 allows Iran to purchase weapons from Russia (for example...) after 5 years from signing of the Agreement in 2015.

So 2020 for weapons.

This is why Russia is so insistent the agreement holds together for the 5 years, at least. If it doesn't, due to this action by Germany etc, then they can't sell to Iran as all old sanctions will 'snap back'.

(Other restrictions are lifted on longer time frames, 8 and 10 years. Also, other matters remain open forever until security council agrees the nuclear proliferation issue in Iran is dead and buried.)

Posted by: powerandpeople | Jan 15 2020 8:41 utc | 138

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 5:15 utc | 127

Oh, we'll spend the money alright;

$37 screws, a $7,622 coffee maker, $640 toilet seats; : suppliers to our military just won’t be oversold
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-07-30-vw-18804-story.html

DOD and HUD $21 Trillion Missing Money: Report & Supporting Documentation
https://missingmoney.solari.com/dod-and-hud-missing-money-supporting-documentation/

Posted by: Mao | Jan 15 2020 8:54 utc | 139

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 15 2020 6:51 utc | 133

Thierry is a bit too circular for my taste, inhabiting his own bits and pieces universe. But entertaining, if one has the taste and the time.

So Obama together with Rohani Ali-Akbar Velayati selected Rouhani, now that surly is a scoop.

Sheikh Rohani was chosen by the Obama administration and Ali-Akbar Velayati during secret negotiations in Oman in 2013 to put an end to the secular nationalism of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and restore relations between the two countries.

Posted by: moon | Jan 15 2020 8:59 utc | 140

Trump: Saudi Arabia paid the US $1 billion for more troops. Pentagon: Eh, not quite.

Trump seemingly announced a major deal during his latest Fox News interview, but officials are walking it back.

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/14/21065432/trump-laura-ingraham-interview-saudi-arabia-troops

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1215836
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1216054398138376192306162372608
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1216046574427693058

Posted by: Mao | Jan 15 2020 9:00 utc | 141

Mao | Jan 15 2020 8:54 utc | 139

Indeed. And that's not even the half of it...
The reason our weapons suck is because after all the graft is paid out; what's left goes to weaponry that frankly, are embarrassingly substandard...

Posted by: V | Jan 15 2020 9:05 utc | 142

powerandpeople 138 says:

Annex B, paragraph 5 allows Iran to purchase weapons from Russia (for example...) after 5 years from signing of the Agreement in 2015.

So 2020 for weapons.

This is why Russia is so insistent the agreement holds together for the 5 years, at least. If it doesn't, due to this action by Germany etc, then they can't sell to Iran as all old sanctions will 'snap back'.

There's an example of how appeasement and idiot-legality are way past their expiration date. It's clear the UN itself, like all other existing international bodies, has been fully weaponized with Russia the ultimate target.

In the process of "first they came for Irak, then they came for Libya [with the full consent of Russia and China]...now they're coming for Irak again and for Iran....", well obviously Russia is the one they'll ultimately be coming for.

It really is time to hang together or hang separately. Although Russia should remain cautious about direct military stand-offs, it's definitely way past time to start openly challenging and flouting war-by-sanctions, and to start constructing international bodies alternative to the UN and other imperial weapons.

As for fighting within the UN, someone earlier said Russia and China wouldn't be able to prevent the "snap-back" of UN sanctions on Iran. Why not? I'm not asking for a technical-legalistic answer, but a power-based answer. Self-evidently the "legality" ship has sunk, and anyone who still makes a fetish of it is fighting with one hand tied behind one's back.

I don't say gratuitously flout legality; certainly there's great propaganda value in seeming to adhere to international law in the face of the open lawlessness of the US. But where it comes to critical battles like getting Iran out from under the sanctions, in the process dealing a blow to the alleged impregnability of the sanctions weapon, the most important thing is the real result.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 15 2020 11:08 utc | 143

Trump has in fact done more to ensure that Iran will have a nuclear weapon than any other president through his abrupt withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan Of Action (JCPOA) and his assassination of Soleimani..

Trump and Congress Double Down on Demonizing Iran

And this is why you'll never see Philip Giraldi on CNN, Fox News, or any other US broadcast network.

Posted by: Carciofi | Jan 15 2020 11:14 utc | 144

Russ
Russia and I think China are working towards a multi-polar world order based on international law.
Russia is pushing this vision and to pull other countries in, it has to walk the talk.
PR information warfare play a big part in state decisions. As we have seen from the Uki plane shootdown Euro's beginning the process to trigger snapback, A small anti Iran block sprang to life (UK, Canada, Ukraine, Afghanistan and Sweden) that will be great PR for the US in its anti Iran crusade.
As I put in another comment, everyone likes a winner

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2020 11:23 utc | 145

Oh, Come on!

When it is too complex for you to figure out, "It's the Jews".

Aren't you even a little embarasses at this poiont?

"Dah Juice! Dah Juice!"

Iran has been hard at work being A$$holes everywhere, you got to give them some credit. They are killing Iranians, they have Iraqis killing Iraqis, Yemenis killing Yemenis, everybody killing everyone else in Lebanon, and the best you can come up with is "The Juice"?

It is possible that the EU might detest the USA, and Israel, and still do something that is similar to what the USA is doing. Israel has done some nasty stuff. But how about something besides, "The Juice!" "The Juice!"

It is called "diplomacy". Sometimes you win, sometimes the other guy gets some, sometimes a non-player gets a boost or a kick in the nads. It is the "Great Game".

Any ideas/facts/theories why the European states are now doing something camparable to what the U.S. is doing? I mean, besides, "The Juice!" "The Juice". Lordy.

Posted by: Mike-SMO | Jan 15 2020 12:11 utc | 146

it's called warmongering, and war waging. and the u.s. needs to stop doing it before it manages to unite the rest of the world against it. some of the euro states are still poodles.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 15 2020 12:20 utc | 147

Alistair Crooke:

Reading Sun Tzu in Tehran

I also recommend the short piece by Patrick Armstrong posted by moon up there.

I've been of the opinion from the beginning of this that the main reason Russia & China have not leapt to the aid of Iran is that Iran does not need or want them to, yet at least. Crooke's mention of the attack on the Saudi oil facilities is a connection that needs to be made, that was not a fluke.

But it's a very "asymmetric" situation, as Crooke points out. Interesting times.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 15 2020 13:30 utc | 148

And each consequence leads to yet another consequence. But world leaders do not recognize where this path is leading humanity. If they did they might be able to stop – or perhaps not. They delude themselves to the real destination of the journey.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/


Posted by: peter mcloughlin | Jan 15 2020 13:50 utc | 149

@ V | Jan 15 2020 1:32 utc | 104

Does this new 'Policy of Deterrence' apply only to Iran? Could become interesting if it doesn't. Good example of 'be careful of what you wish for'.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 15 2020 13:57 utc | 150

My take on the cartoon is that Israel is the whore leading everybody down the wrong path. Slut is another word that comes to mind. Another one for the EU is lapdogs. Uncle S

Posted by: Morongobill | Jan 15 2020 14:04 utc | 151

Hit the wrong key.
Sam is the ultimate John.

Posted by: Morongobill | Jan 15 2020 14:05 utc | 152

b wrote

"But those promises [of the EU] were empty"

Indeed they were, and now we know it was just a charade. Triggering the Dispute Resolution Mechanism on basis intel supplied by Bibi is a ruse to replace the JCPOA. Where have we heard this before?
Oh, Iran is less than a year from getting the nuclear bomb.

Iran Rejects 'Trump Deal' Proposed by UK PM Johnson as a Replacement for JCPOA


On Tuesday, Britain, France and Germany launched the 2015 Iran nuclear deal’s dispute resolution mechanism, which they said was partly prompted by concerns that Tehran might be less than a year away from developing a nuclear weapon.
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has rejected a proposal for a new "Trump deal" to resolve a nuclear spat as a “strange" offer, pointing the finger at the US President over his failure to deliver on promises.


"This Mr. Prime Minister in London, I don’t know how he thinks. He says let’s put aside the nuclear deal and put the Trump plan in action. If you take the wrong step, it will be to your detriment. Pick the right path. The right path is to return to the nuclear deal”, Rouhani said on Wednesday.

On Tuesday, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson urged Trump to replace the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the 2015 Iran nuclear deal with his own new pact to keep Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. The US president responded by tweeting that he agreed with Johnson on a “Trump deal”.

Zarif Says 'It Depends on Europe' if JCPOA Remains After Dispute Resolution Mechanism Activation. [.]


Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 15 2020 14:07 utc | 153

my apologies if anyone's brought this already, but the plot now thickens. a commenter at the site at which i cross-post brought this to my attention on my 'iran makes arrests over accidental downing of Ukrainian airliner'.

it's a tweet leading to new york times coverage of a 'Exclusive: Security camera footage verified by the New York Times confirms that 2 missiles, fired 30 seconds apart from an Iranian military site, hit the Ukrainian plane'

i'd used a free click to pull text, including:

"The new video was uploaded to YouTube by an Iranian user around 2 a.m. on Tuesday.
The date visible on the footage is “2019-10-17,” not Jan. 8, the day the plane was downed. We believe this is because the camera system is using a Persian calendar, not a Gregorian one. Jan. 8 converts to the 18th of Dey, the 10th month in the Persian calendar. Digitally that would display as 2019-10-18 in the video. One theory is that the discrepancy of one day can be explained by a difference between Persian and Gregorian leap years or months." "

but it's everywhere already, set in stone, the WSJ news coverage included:

"The video was verified by Storyful, a social-media-intelligence company owned by News Corp, parent of Wall Street Journal publisher Dow Jones. It raises new questions about how forthcoming Iranian authorities were when, after three days of denial, they admitted they had mistakenly struck the Ukraine International Airlines flight without mentioning a second missile."

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1217160457385103360

the video obviously bring up a dozen more questions, including what it shows, where, when, etc., but corporate coverage assures us that 'iran has lied about the airliner thrice now: evil iran'.

wait for even more sanctions, more assassinations.

Posted by: wendy davis | Jan 15 2020 14:20 utc | 154

What bothers me about this entire thread is no one can see either a way to end the suppression every player on the field has been subjected to by the private mobsters. . War whether by WMDs or Sanctions. produces the same, millions will die and nothing will alter the possession of power, and the abuse of the masses, by the few.

The thesis "the nation state system is the structure that allows the mobsters (private bankers, private corporations, and privateers) to control sufficient authority to rule the world". Without strength from deadly force, and authority from engineered consent, ruling the world is difficult.

No one has found a way to pin the maker of wrongdoing chaos button, or convicted criminal button on the private mobsters. As the private mobsters dance, and side step their positions between the 206 or so nation states, they avoid being boxed up, and they install their puppets in every place they land. It is the puppets who deliver to the international arenas the voting power that allow the private mobsters to control conflict outcomes; and puppets in-service-to the private mobsters oversee and manage the regional and local political and economic domains. In such a situation, the law becomes progressively more suppressive; it produces a hierarchy of relative power and the hierarchy allows to order the nation states relative to their power in the hierarchy. The world might even be safer without any government at all than to allow itself to be victimized by the private mobster use of the nation state system. Clearly the mightier the actor in the system, the less the system can or will hold the mighty actor to conform to the rule of law. So the rule of law suppresses the little guy and enhances the big guy.. If there were no nation state system, there would not be any push button suppression.

There has to be an answer.. that is not war or decimation of more humanity.

Posted by: snake | Jan 15 2020 14:26 utc | 155

The only goal of Europe in sticking to the JPCoA when Trump walks out is to keep Tehran from developping its nuke while excruciating sanctions hinder all normal life. Regime change is still the goal, be it at the expense of european trade.
Think of NorthStream, or of the two-state fiction in Palestine where « there's no one to broke peace with ».

Posted by: chb | Jan 15 2020 14:37 utc | 156

There has to be an answer.. that is not war or decimation of more humanity.
Posted by: snake | Jan 15 2020 14:26 utc | 155

One lesson from history is that it is important that those big shots just beneath the ultimate societal power be held to the strictest standards: The law applies to you too, big shot. Clovis effectively adhered to this principle many centuries ago. Putin by reining in the worst of the oligarchs operated in tune with this principle.

The prevailing principle in the West is that oligarchs, the mighty, etc are above the law, while in the US for example swat teams kill pets that bark at their door-smashing arrival at the homes of the little people, and those who invest in private prisons feast financially on slave labor by millions of plebeians 'plea bargained' into servitude.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Jan 15 2020 14:58 utc | 157

Likklemore | Jan 15 2020 14:07 utc | 153

Oh, Iran is less than a year from getting the nuclear bomb.

Since Bibi, Trump and the rest of Iran's enemies and their indoctrinated populations have been saying this for years it's time for Iran to just get on with it and pull out all stops in putting several together to be used as an option of last resort. But they should make no public confirmation, like Israel. If the warmongering US wants a war they and their allies (and their populations would then be aware of the consequences and would force them to re-assess the situation. IMO this is the only way Iran will survive. If Trump wins another term I can almost guarantee he will forge ahead with attempting another regime change. Iran is already a pariah state in their eyes so really nothing much more for Iran to lose.

Posted by: Carciofi | Jan 15 2020 15:04 utc | 158

Tim Horton's has been foreign-owned (now Brazil) since 2014, but the rot started to set in as expansion, particularly into the US, became a major goal. Once a reasonable quality purveyor of coffee and made-from-scratch in-store donuts, now just another hawker of industrialized brown swill and partly-cooked/frozen-then-shipped and finish-baked chemical-laced products.

I only patronize a Timmie's if I don't know of a decent quality local bakery/restaurant in that particular area. The devil you know...

Posted by: A P | Jan 15 2020 15:04 utc | 159

bemildred draws attention to this article at Strategic Culture:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/01/15/reading-sun-tzu-in-tehran/

Another interesting article is this one, which tends to suggest a real softening in Canada's following of the US line.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/trudeau-plane-victims-alive-iran-tensions-200114043724127.html

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2020 15:15 utc | 160

To William Gruff: Absolutely, Canada is a vassal state of the US.

Example 1: Cretien managed to keep Cdn troops out of Iraq, but dithering Paul Martin got forced by the US to send non-combat troops into Afghanistan, then bribery-cash-in-brown-envelopes Harper turned it into combat roles that persist to this day.

Ex 2, Diefenbaker scrapped the nearly-complete AVRO Arrow project on direct orders from the US that the total-crap BOMARC missile system was to be implemented instead.

Trudeau sorta confronted the US by legalizing pot, but other than that... the foreign policy leash is very visible on the Canadian lapdog.

Posted by: A P | Jan 15 2020 15:17 utc | 161

Iran doesn't react like the US psychopaths do..
They follow the letter of the law, as they have done with JCPOA.
But in my opinion, Iran should get its nuke capabilities up to par asap. Why continue to want to look as though you're following the law of JCPOA by allowing the IAEA in who reports to the EU/US to continue intrusive inspections when they all plan war against you leaving you nuke defenseless while Israel and Saudis have or are getting nukes?
If Iran has nukes the US will back off. Nuff said.

Posted by: Anmie | Jan 15 2020 15:40 utc | 162

Mike-SMO

"Israel has done some nasty stuff"

In 70 years of illegal and violent occupation of Palestine through deportation,eradication and no respect for human lives adding what zionist army and services have done through these years and this is "some nasty stuff"..no israel it's the cancer of middle-east..just it!

Posted by: LuBa | Jan 15 2020 15:41 utc | 163

Posted by: A P | Jan 15 2020 15:17 utc | 161

Thanks AP

The AVRO Arrow fiasco was criminal... "scrapping" doesn't even begin to tell the story... utter destruction was more like it, with welding torches, right down to the last bolt. That plane, with it's mach 2 Iroquois engine was en route to completely embarrassing the US MIC

As well, few people know the AVRO Jetliner story, which preceded the Arrow - the first North American passenger jet aircraft - years ahead of anything the US produced

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 15 2020 15:43 utc | 164

powerandpeople @138:

Annex B, paragraph 5 allows Iran to purchase weapons ... after 5 years

Thanks for making us aware of this, powerandpeople.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 15 2020 15:48 utc | 165

snake@155

This panel discussion explains how Congress is bought by the military industrial (mostly oil) complex. Then again Eisenhower included Congress in the Cabal several years after he overthrew the democratic leader of Iran. The dialogue of these panel members links all Mideast invasions back to the initial destruction of Iranian government in 1953. Apparently, we cannot have democracy in the Mideast as it is bad for the mafia business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-W9b-_K_Xo&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 15 2020 15:59 utc | 166

I recently heard a story on CBC radio about the Arrow. Not only did they destroy the prototype and all parts, they even destroyed all the drawings, except for one set which was smuggled out by a draftsman, who kept them secret for decades. But now they are on display at the "Diefenbaker Canada Centre at the University of Saskatchewan until April 2020" (from Wiki)

It's interesting to learn that Uncle Sam wanted the program stopped. Why didn't some US company just buy Avro instead? Buying out the competition is standard operating procedure for US corporate parasites.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 15 2020 16:00 utc | 167

What has Iran gotten by being "nice" and playing by the rules all these decades?

Nice guys finish last!

Posted by: Carciofi | Jan 15 2020 16:02 utc | 168

wendy davis @154 Rouhani's tweet when accepting responsibility for the downing of the plane stated:

Hassan Rouhani
@HassanRouhani
·
Jan 10
Armed Forces’ internal investigation has concluded that regrettably missiles fired due to human error caused the horrific crash of the Ukrainian plane & death of 176 innocent people.
Investigations continue to identify & prosecute this great tragedy & unforgivable mistake. #PS752

As you can see, Rouhani stated 'missiles' as in plural.

Hope this helps.

Posted by: h | Jan 15 2020 17:29 utc | 169

xLemming@164

It helps when considering the Arrow story-are there not said to be prototypes sunk under the water in Lake Ontario?( Craig Stewart wrote the book on it.)- to understand it in the context of the British Defence industry.
So far as I recall the Arrow was cancelled at about the same time that Blue Streak was also cancelled. And Macmillan agreed to buy US missiles instead.
Then there is the name Avro was a British firm by origin and most of the top technicians and designers working in Malton were, I believe, formerly employed by the UK industry.
So what the US appears to have been doing was wiping out its competitors in aerospace matters one at a time. Another instance in which De Gaulle's independence of mind is borne out by history.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2020 17:47 utc | 170

<= I agree the Iranians probably did not shoot down the 737..
Posted by: snake | Jan 15 2020 3:42 utc | 121

Snake, you may be right. There is more than one inadvertent
admission in this article:

"“If you want to know my opinion, it is the fault of those who did not close the country’s airspace. I do not care very much if the person pressed the button or the system activated itself,” said the head of the Ukrainian airline."

Posted by: evilempire | Jan 15 2020 17:53 utc | 171

@ Carciofi 158

Observe how the West dances with Kim?

Pakistan should slip one across the border in a rail car of elephants.

We now shift the focus unto the Impeachment Trial. Shifty Schiff leads the prosecution. Should be interesting spectator sport. Never be too certain of the outcome. Some are positing Trump could be removed. Many Republicans are uneasy. The guy is unfit to have the nuclear codes, displays impaired emotion - schizophrenia. Others, Independent and Republican turncoats consider Trump embarrassing. Over the last days Trump's Sec. of Defense, Esper threw him under the bus.


This opinion piece should not be dismissed.

Impeachment, Soleimani and the Pull of the Swamp

[Because] Trump is going to be taken out.

The events of the past twelve days since Trump murdered IRGC General Qassem Soleimani prove this beyond any doubt. Impeachment was the leverage point to drive open a wedge between Republicans and Trump through Iran.

Pelosi slow-walking the articles of impeachment to the Senate was all part of the pantomime, folks. She gets what she wants: Congress asserting more power and the Democrats shoring up their base by taking out an eyesore in Trump.

She waits just long enough for Trump to do something questionable and for it to be made known publicly.[.]

The Swamp Strikes Back and puts Trump in a no-win situation.

The Wall St. Journal article from this weekend which intimated that Trump made the decision to kill Soleimani was motivated by shoring up his support in the Israeli Occupied Senate is further proof.

“Mr. Trump, after the strike, told associates he was under pressure to deal with Gen. Soleimani from GOP senators he views as important supporters in his coming impeachment trial in the Senate, associates said,” the newspaper reported.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 15 2020 17:53 utc | 172

@Lysander | Jan 15 2020 2:04 utc | 111

“That is why Trump's presidency is a blessing for Iran. “
It’s real blessing to the entire world, otherwise how else the world would have come to see the real ugly face of Americans

@Rd | Jan 15 2020 1:01 utc | 98
This is now beyond government and oligarchy , and laws, this is now about a national/religious demand for revenge, on killing a true national shia muslim hero away from any political or difference in opinion.
IMO, the demand for revenge can not be even controlled by military and it’s leaders, the order for revenge can even be sanctioned by a relative unknown cleric in a shia village.

@moon | Jan 15 2020 7:52 utc | 136
Thanks, PL banned me over a year ago , for calling US military (yeman) a mercenary force, Now Trump is proud he sold 3000 US trops to Bone saw for 1 billion.
I also believe that Iranian military has understood for some time now, that US (Military) is not willing to enter a war with Iran at this time, which makes me believe that a low intensity, long, covert attritional war across the western Asia will finally make US to leave. IMO pre announced without casualty attack on AalA US base by Iran Military was to allow any future covert low intensity attack by Iranian regional allies on US forces as non-sanctioned or related by Iranian government or military.
Which makes it hard to fight directly.

Posted by: kooshy | Jan 15 2020 18:22 utc | 173

Posted by: bevin | Jan 15 2020 17:47 utc | 170

If I recall correctly the parent company in the UK was A.V.Roe, which became AVRO in Canada

As for the prototypes in Lake Ontario, they were rocket-powered 1/8 scale models used to test the design, etc

One of the remarkable achievements in that era was how quickly the Arrow went from concept to production in less than 6 years (if I recall correctly). At the time, this was unheard of. In the US they would go through several iterations of trial & error before production. The current "comparable" production US jet at the time was the Sabre

And given how the US malfeasance is now so glaringly obvious, it's explains so much of the skulduggery that went on then regarding the Arrow's cancellation and butchery...

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 15 2020 19:00 utc | 174

woah

WaPo: Days before Europeans warned Iran of nuclear deal violations, Trump secretly threatened to impose 25% tariff on European autos if they didn’t

The U.S. effort to coerce European foreign policy through tariffs, a move one European official equated to “extortion,” represents a new level of hardball tactics with the United States’ oldest allies, underscoring the extraordinary tumult in the transatlantic relationship.
...
U.S. officials conveyed the threat directly to officials in London, Berlin and Paris rather than through their embassies in Washington, said a senior European official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations.

Posted by: b | Jan 15 2020 19:40 utc | 175

And Boris the clown needs a good trade deal with the US. He will be the one to take it to the UNSC and snapback.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2020 19:51 utc | 176

Some speak of Iran needing "the bomb". Well, Marx and others reason that ethics is circumstantial. Right now, if they are honest (and I think they are) Iran's perceptions and moral bring them to conclude that they don't need it. However only a fool is not aware that times change, and new decisions may be different. Thus a prudent agenda requires research.

It may be that they have done quite a bit along these lines...

(Well, I would do everything that's legal, if I were in their position.)

Anyway use search engine for this article>

"FDD Shock Wave Generator for Iran's Nuclear Weapons Program"

Whatever truth there may be in said article, "they" believe it...and that makes it important...

Excerpt:

"...n, it was a center for the testing of exploding bridgewires (EBWs), which were necessary for the shock wave generator. Its nuclear weapon-related activities after the Amad Plan remain to be determined.
The Sanjarian building held two blast chambers, called Upper and Lower Nour-Abad, which were used in the Amad Plan to test EBWs, the shock wave generator, and other subcomponents. One chamber was outfitted with a high-speed camera. A full-scale, hemispherical test of the shock wave generator, using sophisticated diagnostic equipment, was conducted at the Marivan site, according to the archive information...."

That's all dual use, I think, hence legal. In fact my reading of NPT says you can do everything except put the bits together...make every part...

Maybe they will want a few later on...maybe not. Always nice to follow boy-scout rules...be prepared and all of that stuff.

...........

In other notation, see Parameters 48, # 4 Winter 2018-2019

and read along through the 100 or so pages... this stuff is that they believe, what they repeat to oneanother...and think about the implications...

Posted by: Walter | Jan 15 2020 19:59 utc | 177

b @175

The Washington Bezos Post has such a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that they are willing to reveal imperial behavior that they normally suppress? I think this might be a first!

This is part of why I am glad Trump won.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 15 2020 20:02 utc | 178

Yes the US extorted their own “allies” to get them to betray Iran and destroy their own reputations. I must say the one thing i begrudgingly like about Trump is his honest upfront thuggist actions. After the backroom betrayals of Obama bush clinton merkel and the rest its almost refreshingly honest. Also i can think of no quicker way of destroying the US empire than by threatening your own allies the MIC must be desperate to start a new never ending war, although perhaps they should be careful of what they wish for

Posted by: Kadath | Jan 15 2020 20:05 utc | 179

Kadath
Going by the Uki plane shootdown, Trump can be backdoor with the best of them. Jack of all trades.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2020 20:14 utc | 180

The CBC did Arrow. see YT

"The Arrow (miniseries)"

Is sehrbitchen flyer. They found one of the models in the lake...

Yes, OT, but one might say not terribly, as the disposal of Arros came from...south of Canada? Just asking... Presser on "allies" what bull. Squeeze on satrapies, some might say. Anyway, not new. Just worse..

Posted by: Walter | Jan 15 2020 20:28 utc | 181

Bedrock of American Conservative ideology The National Review recently expressed concerns regarding trump's behaviour, and were not inclined to praise Caesar. Choosing to speak to his state of mind instead.

"And there’s the larger fact that since America’s withdrawal from the Iran deal, the nation’s policy toward Iran seems to be one of drifting toward war lazily and thoughtlessly. Making unreasonable demands, imposing sanctions, and then watching Iranian provocations roll in.

But most important, we don’t live in a vacuum. And perhaps you’ve noticed that since the news of this assassination broke,

the president has sounded out of his mind.

He has returned to his idea of vandalism, blasphemy, and outrage as strategy. Contradicting his own secretary of state, Trump promised that the United States would respond to further Iranian provocation by deliberately bombing cultural sites in Iran. “They’re allowed to kill our people. They’re allowed to torture and maim our people. They’re allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people. And we’re not allowed to touch their cultural sites,” he said. “It doesn’t work that way.”

This disgusting threat is in many ways worse than his promises of “fire and fury” in North Korea. The punishment would fall not on the government, or on the military that tortures and maims, but on the whole Iranian people — and really all of humanity that has an interest in the preservation of great treasures of antiquity, of which there are many in Iran. These are jewels of ancient civilization that ought to outlast Iran’s current government, and that deserve a better custodian than the mullahs. That aside, the threat carries zero strategic value for us while offering infinite propaganda value for the Iranian regime."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/qasem-soleimani-killing-trump-rhetoric-dangerous-unproductive/

Again, from the above: "the president has sounded out of his mind."

However, to trump's base his actions may not appear to be those of a madman, and I sincerely doubt the National Review is on their reading list. If they read at all that is. Case in point, why go to all the effort to attend his weird rallies just to hear the same lies they could have read at multiple sources from the comfort of their homes?

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 20:35 utc | 182

Threat has been hanging over relations with Europe for over a year. What’s changed? Brexit, GE2019 and new ally Boris Johnson.

Trump has threatened to impose the 25% car tariffs by invoking “Section 232” national security tariffs under 1962 Cold War trade law.

Posted by: Oui | Jan 15 2020 20:37 utc | 183

Posted by: b | Jan 15 2020 19:40 utc | 175

"WaPo: Days before Europeans warned Iran of nuclear deal violations, Trump secretly threatened to impose 25% tariff on European autos if they didn’t...The U.S. effort to coerce European foreign policy through tariffs, a move one European official equated to “extortion,” represents a new level of hardball tactics with the United States’ oldest allies...
U.S. officials conveyed the threat directly to officials in London, Berlin and Paris rather than through their embassies in Washington, said a senior European official."

Good! Couldn't happen to a more deserving mob of bootlicks. Their compliance proves they want and deserve it.

I agree with those who say, This is exactly the kind of thing I hoped for from Trump.

On the other hand this is exactly why the likes of the WaPo hate him - although not a fascist, he's too directly thuggish for the neoliberal formula. Too much stick, not enough (poisoned) carrot.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 15 2020 20:38 utc | 184

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 20:35 utc | 182

"He has returned to his idea of vandalism, blasphemy, and outrage as strategy. Contradicting his own secretary of state, Trump promised that the United States would respond to further Iranian provocation by deliberately bombing cultural sites in Iran...

This disgusting threat is in many ways worse than his promises of “fire and fury” in North Korea. The punishment would fall not on the government, or on the military that tortures and maims, but on the whole Iranian people — and really all of humanity that has an interest in the preservation of great treasures of antiquity, of which there are many in Iran."

Here too Trump is only the most openly thuggish face and voice of relentless general practice.

I'll make a rare link to my own blog since this was the subject of my most recent post.

https://attempter.wordpress.com/2020/01/11/cultural-genocide-is-as-american-as-poison-apple-pie/

In modern times the destruction has become less overtly religious, more secularized, mundane, assembly-line and industrial. Therefore it is vastly more comprehensive and horrific.

Capitalism, productionism, “Progress”, the economic civilization devour and eradicate vastly more historic sites and sacred lands, by many orders of magnitude, than all the religious and nationalistic hatreds thruout history put together...

In these ways, as always, Trump is nothing but the more openly scabrous and brutish incarnation of the essence of the US and especially of all US economic and political activity. He is by far the most typical and characteristic of all US presidents. He is the most logical production of the US to date.

Looking at a president Americans look at themselves in a mirror. With the likes of Obama, the Clintons, George Bush, plus scammers like Sanders, they see skillfully idealized, romanticized, flattering fake reflections of themselves...

Posted by: Russ | Jan 15 2020 20:45 utc | 185

@ 182 bubbles... that quote you highlight show you just how sick trump and the usa is at present to try to pass off that type of lie to the public to be broadcast wide and far..

“They’re allowed to kill our people. They’re allowed to torture and maim our people. They’re allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people. And we’re not allowed to touch their cultural sites."

no - usa invaded iraq and some of ''your'' people were killed actively invading another country. blame it on yourselves, but don't try to pass off this shit on the public.. it is the worst form of propaganda you can generate...

i am speaking generally here to the usa public.. obviously the americans here are aware of this, but i am not following who in the usa has challenged this outrageous propaganda...

and, i agree with others here - trump - for just how ugly he is, is really highlighting just how bad things in the usa has gotten.. and it will get worse if they can't figure out a way to get their shit together too..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2020 20:55 utc | 186

@182 "Case in point, why go to all the effort to attend his weird rallies just to hear the same lies they could have read at multiple sources from the comfort of their homes?"

That's easy. They go to the rallies because they like the solidarity. It is comforting to hear their leader speaking surrounded by thousands of like-minded people. Plus it's a great opportunity to wear their MAGA hats and wave flags.

Posted by: dh | Jan 15 2020 20:59 utc | 187

@185 russ.. i went to the article you posted and read it.. - keep on speaking out and get your message out far and wide russ... i agree with your viewpoint expressed...

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2020 20:59 utc | 188

Posted by: kooshy | Jan 15 2020 18:22 utc | 173

Yes, in fact one of the big "advantages" of the Trump presidency is that everyone for sure knows that US is an Empire, so every Storm Trooper knows that they are not fighting "to defend" nothing, they are pawns, cannon fodder of an Empire fighting in other lands to grab resources and impose "tax" (in a subtle way through the financial system) fot he global "Wealth Pump" from all the world to send it to the center of the Empire in exchange of "protection" (Vito Corleone) and to spread "freedom", "democracy", "human rights", "prosperity", and all that vacuous BS.

Now the Storm Troopers fully know they are in Syria and Iraq to "protect our oil" (from the Iraqis) and to fight those who oppose the grabbing (Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, etc...).
But they will have a hard time in the future, this will not be Desert Storm 2.0 or Iraqi Freedom 2.0, this will be like Lebanon 2006 but against a kind of Hezbollah x100 more powerful and they are so far far far away from home...

Posted by: DFC | Jan 15 2020 21:19 utc | 189

Posted by: Russ | Jan 15 2020 20:45 utc | 185

Dehumanizing. By order of the Overlords, who of course know better than all those folks they view as inferior. Messianic is one applicable term.

George Soros once subtly agreed he had Messianic tendencies in an interview that used to be available on utube.

Benjamin Netanyahu has been accused of having the same flaw by some learned persons. He of course follows the 'admit nothing' doctrine. But his actions speak for themselves. Including his 'alleged' criminal activities.

The United States doesn't have a culture, unless by some queer assessment consumerism could be called a culture. That is the basis for it's disrespect.

Clearly you're a thinker but I don't follow your opinion on Sanders. He seems a decent sort to me. Thanks for you reply btw and I will go to your site and explore your thoughts.


Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 21:23 utc | 190

That's easy. They go to the rallies because they like the solidarity. It is comforting to hear their leader speaking surrounded by thousands of like-minded people. Plus it's a great opportunity to wear their MAGA hats and wave flags.

Posted by: dh | Jan 15 2020 20:59 utc | 187


Some decades ago, there were other's who posed as Nationalists, and they caused a world of hurt.

Descendant's of those people who were sent off to defend Democracy understand the sacrifice. What some don't understand, is that sacrifice being grossly abused and has the enemy they were sent to defeat actually been defeated? Or were they simply pawns in a rich mans contest, where the rich men threw trinkets their way after the War was won?

Who was the enemy then? Who is the enemy now? Are they the same?

Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why


Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 21:49 utc | 191

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2020 20:55 utc | 186

I got a heads up on the National Review article from a Canadian Blogger who is highly intelligent and like me, quite Curmudgeonly. In fact he claims to be the Founder of the Canadian League of Curmudgeons of Leisure (CLCL)

I don't always agree with him and his climate change activism, but only by a matter of degree. He's whole hog on the subject, I'm more moderate on that particular topic. Perhaps more statesman like, seeking compromise.

https://the-mound-of-sound.blogspot.com/2020/01/even-national-review-thinks-trump-is.html

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 22:11 utc | 192

@191 I get what your saying but I think comparing Trump with Hitler is a bit of a stretch. Circe will vehemently disagree but I think Trump is smart enough to know that his supporters don't like being called Nazis. They are the 'good guys'. They really want to 'make America great again' whatever that means.

Posted by: dh | Jan 15 2020 22:13 utc | 193

@191 I get what your saying but I think comparing Trump with Hitler is a bit of a stretch.

True, Hitler was smarter. And even more insane than trump. But, let's look at some clear differences.. Hitler wasn't a pampered boy whose father worked all the angles of corruption to make a lot of money.

Hitler was a combat veteran. A veteran of the trench wars of WW1. A Veteran of the horrors of that ugly war of attrition.

Trump sought 5 deferments to avoid serving in ANY capacity in America's war in Vietnam. FIVE DEFERMENTS.


His father faced inquiries about his abusive behaviour related to war profiteering and he proudly defended his right to use levers afforded to him to use local officials so he could profit on the backs of WW2 Veterans and their families.

Little wonder he maintained his father's relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 22:47 utc | 194

hell of a guy that trump.. has the ancestry to go with it too..

Posted by: james | Jan 15 2020 23:04 utc | 195

@193 Hitler was evil. That seems to be generally agreed. But he won elections. He was popular with ordinary people in pre-war Germany. Obviously the Versailles Treaty was a big factor.

I can see a few similarities. Trump was elected on a nationalist platform too. How far can Trump push it? The Wall hasn't been a huge success so far. ICE has started rounding up illegal immigrants. Trumpists approve of that. Would people feel OK if he started gassing them? That would be the logical outcome of MAGA. But I like to think it would be step too far for most Americans. He's on fairly safe ground beating up on furriners though.

Posted by: dh | Jan 15 2020 23:12 utc | 196

195 "I can see a few similarities. "

Read this, think Treaty of Versailles.

" "First, Iran must declare to the IAEA a full account of the prior military dimensions of its nuclear program, and permanently and verifiably abandon such work in perpetuity."
"Second, Iran must stop uranium enrichment and never pursue plutonium reprocessing. This includes closing its heavy water reactor."
"Third, Iran must also provide the IAEA with unqualified access to all sites throughout the entire country."
"Iran must end its proliferation of ballistic missiles and halt further launching or development of nuclear-capable missile systems."
"Iran must release all U.S. citizens, as well as citizens of our partners and allies, each of them detained on spurious charges."
"Iran must end support to Middle East terrorist groups, including Lebanese Hizballah [Hezbollah], Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad."
"Iran must respect the sovereignty of the Iraqi Government and permit the disarming, demobilization, and reintegration of Shia militias."
"Iran must also end its military support for the Houthi militia and work towards a peaceful political settlement in Yemen."
"Iran must withdraw all forces under Iranian command throughout the entirety of Syria."
"Iran, too, must end support for the Taliban and other terrorists in Afghanistan and the region, and cease harboring senior Al Qaida leaders."
"Iran, too, must end the IRG [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] Qods Force's [Quds Force's] support for terrorists and militant partners around the world."
"And too, Iran must end its threatening behavior against its neighbors – many of whom are U.S. allies. This certainly includes its threats to destroy Israel, and its firing of missiles into Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. It also includes threats to international shipping and destructive – and destructive cyberattacks."

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20989/pompeos-12-demands-for-iran-read-more-like-a-declaration-of-war-than-a-path-to-peace

The trump Regime, who clearly covet AIPAC $ and hope to take away the dems primary spot, dance to the Nethanyahu / far right tune. It's as obvious as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 15 2020 23:59 utc | 197

@196 The Allied Powers were dictating terms to a defeated Germany in Versailles. Trump is dictating terms to an undefeated Iran on behalf of Israel. The act of dictation is certainly similar. Are we arguing about something?

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2020 0:11 utc | 198

Are we arguing about something?

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2020 0:11 utc | 197

No we aren't, you got the point.

Trump is dictating terms as if his adversary was already vanquished. Clearly it ain't over, but the bloviator in Chief and his Lobbyist appointed advisors would very much like people to believe their goading Iran will result in capitulation, Versailles style. But who in their right mind would believe the foreign affairs neophyte and tabloid princeling, donald trump?

trump is working hand in hand with Netanyahu, Adelson and the rest of the far far right weirdos, he's their bum boy. Their agenda is clear, provoke Iran to retaliate to US and Israeli provocations so the Cabal can howl at the top of their lungs and demand Vengance. On American tax payers dime, not Israeli taxpayers dime. Heck, when did they ever pay for all those aggression's dating back to Desert Storm?

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 16 2020 0:28 utc | 199

@198 Yes all of that about Trump and Netanyahu, Adelson, provoking Ira etc. is well known here at MOA. I was more interested in the similarities between Trump and Hitler. I find it hard to imagine the US slipping into full blown Nazism. Maybe some kind of happy-face fascism is a possibility.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2020 0:47 utc | 200

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