Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 30, 2020

Those Who Have Visions ...

The former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt once famously said:

People who have visions should go see a doctor.

Yesterday U.S. President Donald Trump published a Vision for Peace, Prosperity, and a Brighter Future for Israel and the Palestinian People. The paper refers to 'vision' 28 times.

It is similar to this Lebanese 'Vision for Peace' for a brighter future for the people in North America which foresees some split of territory between natives and colonial settlers.


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Visions do not create rights. They have no legal grounds. They do not convey legality to anything.

Trump, his Zionist donors and the U.S. media seem to have trouble understanding that. They will be educated by those who continue to stand up for the rights of the Palestinian people.

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Bubbles,

Are we talking thought bubbles or Trailer Park Boys Bubbles?

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 21:01 utc | 101

AntiSpin | Jan 30 2020 20:01 utc | 88:

FYI. Dead link. Goes to Center for Citizen Initiatives.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 30 2020 21:06 utc | 102

101

Little bubbles of love or just hubbly bubbly

Posted by: mcohen | Jan 30 2020 21:12 utc | 103

@88 & 102:

I believe this Russia Report: Putin [2014] is what AntiSpin was referring to.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 30 2020 21:21 utc | 104

"The link posted by comment 67 says it all. "
Posted by: Kushner/cohen ?| Jan 30 2020 20:54 utc | 99


"Israeli population in the world: 0.11 %
Israeli influence in US foreign policy: 99.89 %"

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 30 2020 15:22 utc | 25

says it all.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 21:30 utc | 105

The Zionists are idolators. They worship the state of Israel and the Jewish people. Those are their gods. So much like the Nazis.

Of course, American civic religion, especially now that it has been secularized, is not very different.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 30 2020 21:33 utc | 106

Bubbles @100--

I did answer yes @95 to your query, but not in those exact words. The Torah is much like the Koran as being a guide to a way of living, the many rituals and specific methods to process animals and make food, for example. Note the New Testament is nothing at all like them. You'll also have noted that like Dr. Hudson I accept the reality of an historical Jesus, but not all the hocus pocus that's been built around him. Jesus's primary goal was to reestablish the Year of Our Lord--the Jubilee Year--and thus reset the socio-economic conditions to one of near equilibrium, which was totally against the interests of the Pharisees and their Roman allies, who were quite happy to continue to drive people into debt and bondage while taking the people's land and material possessions--wealth--for their own. Note the Judaic concept of a Messiah is not one who's descended from god but a liberator/savior of the people. So, in Judaism, it's entirely correct to call Jesus a Messiah, which is what he aspired to be.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 21:34 utc | 107

Visions and intentions in reverse. For this news, with b's blessing, any thread is appropriate: Guess this goes with the impeaching-

Bush-era Iraq war authorization voted out by US House
The House of Representatives has voted along party lines to repeal a 2002 law authorizing the US to wage war on Iraq. The law was used by the Trump administration to justify the killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani.

The House voted 236 to 166 to kill the 2002 Authorization for Military Force (AUMF) on Iraq. The law was drafted during the presidency of George W. Bush to authorize the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and has been used by subsequent administrations to continue military activity in the country – most recently to justify the US drone assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad earlier this month.[.]

The bill was one of two pieces of legislation passed by the House on Thursday aimed at curbing Trump’s warmaking powers. Prior to its passage, a bill prohibiting Trump from using federal funds for "unauthorized military force against Iran” cleared the House floor, again along party lines, with a vote of 228-175.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 21:45 utc | 108

Are we talking thought bubbles or Trailer Park Boys Bubbles?

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 21:01 utc | 101


Are we talking Realist as in "Nice home you have there, be a shame if something happened to it." As in the Theft of the Century Deal.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 21:50 utc | 109

don't engage with trolls.. easy to see who is who on this thread..

Posted by: james | Jan 30 2020 21:54 utc | 110

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 30 2020 21:21 utc | 104

Thanks for that link! Fascinating.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 21:58 utc | 111

Muslims also consider Jesus the Messiah. The Koran calls him that (al Masih, same word as Hebrew Masiah). I wonder if that explains why Jews consider Jews who accept Islam, like the Donme followers of Sabbatai Zevi and their descendants, apostates. After all, the Donme, like all Muslims, are strict monotheists, practise circumcision, have dietary laws, honor the Hebrew prophets (as well as Jesus, whom they consider the last prophet before Mohammed), and worship the God of Abraham. How does an acceptance of Islam constitute a rejection of Judaism? Meantime, Jews who become atheists (like a lot of the founders of Israel) are still considered Jews in good standing.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 30 2020 22:01 utc | 112

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 21:34 utc | 107

Again I thank you for sharing your knowledge and perspectives. I was aware of the basic concepts you outline but you articulate the specifics so well.

I met a fellow some years ago in Ontario who was a retired History Professor. We struck up a conversation after I mentioned the name Kurt Meyer, who was in charge of the 12th SS Panzer Grenadier Hitler Jugend Division. He was intensely interested in any details I might be able to provide about Meyer to add to the vast Library that existed in his head. His overall knowledge dwarfed mine, but I was impressed by not only his knowledge, but his ability to recite it like he was reading from a book or manuscript.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 22:05 utc | 113

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 18:37 utc | 72

Sorry, but I could not make it through the Kushner interview without gagging.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 30 2020 22:16 utc | 114

My mistake, Bubbles. Apparently, you're not Canadian, as are some in the bar, so you don't get the TPB reference. No offense was intended.

As long as your asking, Realist as in my postings from aljazeera and tablet.

I've never been a supporter of Trump, so no not that kind of realist, if thats were you were referencing, and as youve never watched Canadian TV comedies, you're not a fan of that kind of Bubbles.

Lets have a drink.

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 22:26 utc | 115

The link posted by comment 67 says it all.

Posted by: mcohen | Jan 30 2020 20:54 utc | 99

You must be joking. Ritter usually has something intelligent and insightful to say, but not this time.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 30 2020 22:26 utc | 116

Thanks b, that is a mighty good post:

This man had a mighty wish too

There is no shortage of great intellects in the Middle East to follow in his extraordinary footsteps.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 30 2020 22:27 utc | 117

Posted by: lysias | Jan 30 2020 22:01 utc | 112

My understanding is that many Muslims regarded Jesus as a prophet not as a/the Messiah, and now apparently some people are even thinking Kushner could be *him*. How inverse is that? (Head plant on table!)...

The "Sabbatai Zevi and their descendants, apostates" could be an interesting lead though... Certainly only came to my attention recently -- Don't know why the works of Gershom Scholem didn't come up before now, but I guess more strange happenings had to occur before lightbulbs kinda went off.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/sabbatai-zevi-by-gershom-scholem/

http://kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Yakov.htm


Posted by: Jayne | Jan 30 2020 22:36 utc | 118

lysias @112--

Jewish Law is very strict as in zero deviations are allowed, but the quest for material goods always seems to trump Law. IMO, one must be very dedicated to be a genuine Jew; same with a genuine Moslem. Christians on the other hand are muddleheaded and very few are genuine, meaning a strict adherence to Jesus's path and morality. IMO, to Jesus, the conception of a Super Church/Synagogue/Mosque is blasphemous as massive amounts of wealth are squandered on a material object that does nothing to advance the wellbeing of genuine worshipers. (Yes, I did say Jesus would likely find the idea of his being the son of god heretical and blasphemous.)

Bubbles @113--

Thanks for your reply and complements. The one close friend I had during college called me the walking bibliography. As it is now, I take too much time here and not enough in continuing my studies, although I certainly learn from the interactions and need to provide informed discourse. You'll have noted I tried to change the direction of the vision under discussion but failed. Some know that the Puritans of Plymouth saw themselves as establishing a new Zion and entertained a vision very similar to Zionism. As ought to be clear, the concept of Exceptionalism is very much Old Testament.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 22:41 utc | 119

Sorry, but I could not make it through the Kushner interview without gagging.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 30 2020 22:16 utc | 114


I split it into 3 goes. Taking time to a absorb the Mountain of Bullshit from an pusillanimous nobody.

I won't however call him an imbecile like that arrogant twerp who jacked up the price of drugs in the US after he bought out a pharma company and called the Congress folks that. As he sits in a jail cell he may reflect on that. Kushner is an opportunist and not an imbecile. He's smart enough to attach himself to a host that offers him absolute immunity for his crimes and guaranteed profits.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 22:41 utc | 120

Lets have a drink.

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 22:26 utc | 115


Indeed let's get to know each other better. I'm new here and don't know the history.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 22:46 utc | 121

Eighty pages, lots of work. The son in law has not read anything like War and Peace.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 30 2020 22:53 utc | 122

The Koran does not consider Jesus the Son of God. It considers him the Messiah, the penultimate prophet before Mohammed, born of a virgin, performing miracles, accompanied by disciples, sent to guide the children of Israel with a new revelation, rejected by the Jewish establishment, and raised to heaven. I suspect this is what was too much for Rabbinic Judaism and its Pharisaic ancestors, even though the Koran denies that Jesus was crucified, died on the cross, or was divine. The Talmud shows an incredible hostility towards Jesus.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 30 2020 22:58 utc | 123

What's the view here about the timing of events in January 2020? It seems all quiet on the Iranian front, but there is activity everywhere and yet nothing reported in the MSM. We hear nothing further about the Iraqi decision to evict US forces, nothing about the flare-up in Taliban activity, nothing about where the EU is at with snapback provisions, etc. Yet Turkey is exporting jihadis to Libya, the SAA is retaking Idlib, a senior CIA figure shot down in Afghanistan. There's definitely "a-doins a-transpirin'" as they say in Shelbyville, so where does this 'vision' (tunnel-vision for peace...) sit in relation to January's other matters? It look like massive provocation, with Israel leading the charge.

And does coronavirus offer a pretext for rehearsing a banking collapse scenario in China? The boring hysteria in Australia has pretty much drowned out every other news item (except the theft of Snappy Tom the crocodile from a local aquarium).

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 30 2020 23:02 utc | 124

Bubbles, what are you drinking?

There's not much history, just a poor choice for a name on my part. I've always scanned comments sections for karlof1 (not just here but, also, when I used to read Consortium News) for insight. I'll look for yours in the future, as well.

Posted by: Philosophical Realis | Jan 30 2020 23:12 utc | 125

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 30 2020 23:02 utc | 124

I think they were trying to start a war when they killed Soleimani, and the Iranians decided to use it againt them instead. Which is smart. Neocons talk a lot but they are not smart. They are bullies and cowards.

At present what I notice is what you do, there is a lot going on, but you won't find it in the MSM. They are busy reducing their audience share with propaganda.

They kicked the jams out when they droned Soleiman. No more "deals".

But I expect Iran to do these things while this is going on:

1.) Annoy Trump and his minions and USG political class as much as possible, stay in their face.
2.) Watch, and help their "proxies" work on making life unbearable in the Middle East for us.

The Houthis seem to have just kicked the shit out of the Saudi coalition again. Quite a few damaged ships and down aircraft reports too, not just Afghanistan.


Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 23:27 utc | 126

Bubbles, what are you drinking?

Posted by: Philosophical Realis | Jan 30 2020 23:12 utc | 125


Better question, what are Americans drinking?

Trump brand Kosher Whine or Schumer "Guardian of Israel" brand Spirits?


"Schumer: I’m on a Mission From God (to Be Israel’s Guardian in Senate)"

"Sen. Chuck Schumer told a New York radio station last week that after the Obama administration hit Israel hard on its settlement policy, “I called up Rahm Emanuel and I called up the White House and I said, ‘If you don’t retract that statement you are going to hear me publicly blast you on this.’”

He added that there were two groups within the White House. One would give Israel the usual pass and the other wants the US to put pressure on Israel (and Palestinians).

“We’re pushing hard to make sure the right side wins and if not we’ll have to take it to the next step,” he said.

He concluded that God, himself, deputized him to be Israel’s man in the Senate:"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/schumer-im-on-a-mission-f_b_560091


The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And if there is a God, maybe he could help me with this.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 23:32 utc | 127

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 23:27 utc | 126

I like the MC5 reference, a fave album. Gotta love that asymmetry. I wonder if that song translates well into Farsi?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 30 2020 23:36 utc | 128

Yeah, we're dating ourselves. But I'm OK with that.

Kick Out the Jams

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 23:53 utc | 129

Posted by: Norogene | Jan 30 2020 17:58 utc | 62

So for Vig to suggest that it be preposterous to suppose that modern extreme political Zionism could not have (nor has not) metamorphosed into an ideology that rhymes with Nazism is disingenuous.

I consider the simple equation of Zionism with Nazism lazy thinking. I do not expect you to understand, but: Without the Nazis there wouldn't have been Israel, as we have it today.

True I find people like Herzl or his friend Max Nordau pretty hard to read. Extreme reactionary nationalism. I have to admit that reading articles in diverse Zionist magazine from the same period similarly irritating. But I do look back, and only partly grasp the time. Rarely are there voices I can connect with easily even today. There surely were different strand in Zionism. Not everyone was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Nordau

But neither am I very fond of some Germans, like national liberal reactionary Heinrich von Treitschke, historian and politician. You have to understand that Germany only became a nation state in 1871. That's important, once you have a nation apparently some feel that one has to discuss, who is a German and who isn't. Now there is one only recently emancipated group that sticks out. It's not that long ago they got equal rights to start with.

Heinrich von Treitschke - Political Carrier:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Treitschke#Political_career
Eight years after Germany was united von Treitschke triggered the "Berlin Antisemitism Debate". Now that Germany was united the question arose who was and who wasn't a German. Maybe some didn't want to integrate?
Von Treitschke really hated an orthodox German Jewish colleague. Historian Heinrich Graetz wrote the first (i think) History of the Jews in 11 Volumes. Imagine, that's a real scandal. At a time when history with still solidly concentrated on the mighty, the kings, generals and influential clergy, the not quite to be trusted Roman Pope from a Protestant perspective, the man had the nerve to write a 11 volumes history of the least important people on Earth one could imagine? That's outrageous, isn't it?

Now am I fond of Graetz' polemics against the Jewish Reform as Orthodox, no not either, I guess.

Heinrich Goetz Biography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Graetz#Biography


Anyway with von Treitschke maybe more then Wilhelm Marr, who coined the term antisemitism, is were it started and with a king without a sane person like Bismarck to stop him WWI, debts, the Great Depression, right and police fighting left added the necessary context for the rise of the Nazis. ... I wish it had been different. Treitschke

https://tinyurl.com/Nation-the-State-the-Jews>The State, the Nation, and the Jews: Liberalism and the Antisemitism Dispute in Bismarck's Germany,
Marcel Stoetzler, U of Nebraska Press, 2008 - 541 Seiten

The State, the Nation, and the Jews is a study of Germany's late nineteenth-century antisemitism dispute and of the liberal tradition that engendered it. The Berlin Antisemitism Dispute began in 1879 when a leading German liberal, Heinrich von Treitschke, wrote an article supporting anti-Jewish activities that seemed at the time to gel into an antisemitic "movement." Treitschke's comments immediately provoked a debate within the German intellectual community. Responses from supporters and critics alike argued the relevance, meaning, and origins of this "new" antisemitism. Ultimately the Disput.

Posted by: Vig | Jan 30 2020 23:56 utc | 130

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 23:53 utc | 129

Those guys were politically switched-on too. Listening to that makes me feel a whole lot better. Up yours young people! More badass than anything they're listening to...

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 31 2020 0:06 utc | 131

I've been hip to the American Ruse for a while, even if it was a heretical perspective for a number of decades. It will be nice when we get back to at least where we were in 1969 for class consciousness.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 31 2020 0:15 utc | 132

karlof1,

"Yes, I did say Jesus would likely find the idea of his being the son of god heretical and blasphemous."

John:

The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken— do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

It is the Jews who are going to stone Jesus for the "heretical and blasphemous" claim of being the son of god, whereas it is Jesus who welcomes the opportunity to point out that the law indicates we are all sons and daughters of god.

Are you not a child of god, karlof1? Are we not all children of the most high, though some of us do not act on our understanding?

I think you are, but then maybe we mean different things by all this. 🙂

Posted by: Polemos | Jan 31 2020 0:43 utc | 133

Off Topic:
1969? As if two world wars in Europe wasn't bad enough 1969 came along and convinced a lot of people to stick their heads where the sun don't shine, smile while doing it, and then run as hard as they can towards "socialism" and other utopian lies (like the EU) where everything is magically solved through agreement by diktat (new brand, same old fascism). No thanks, not for me, you can keep that sort of class "consciousness".

I feel sorry for the genuine hippies. 1969 is nothing to cheer for; nothing but (quite base) manipulation.

I don't mind if everyone disagrees.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 31 2020 0:51 utc | 134

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 31 2020 0:06 utc | 131

After thinking it over, I think Iran will avoid casualties and focus on destroying stuff, like the missile attack, make it expensive, but don't try to kill Americans, warn us before hand, etc. I wonder what they hit there, under those shelters. Milley looked spooked.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 0:52 utc | 135

@ Ian2 | Jan 30 2020 21:06 utc | 102
"FYI. Dead link. Goes to Center for Citizen Initiatives."

Rats!

Thanks for the heads up -- the article is here now:
https://russiaotherpointsofview.typepad.com/russia_other_points_of_vi/2014/04/russia-report-putin-.html

Sharon Tennison's rather in-depth account of the Vladimir Putin that she knew and dealt with when he was a civil-servant bureaucrat in St Petersburg in the 90s will shed a lot of light on the actions of today's Putin.

Well worth reading!

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 31 2020 1:02 utc | 136

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 30 2020 23:36 utc | 128
Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 23:53 utc | 129

'cause everybody's sick of the AMERICAN RUSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlscvGav15k

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 31 2020 1:13 utc | 137

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 31 2020 0:15 utc | 132

Sorry for the duplication, but the song still fits like a glove...

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 31 2020 1:17 utc | 138

It occurs to me that highest probability of war with Iran would be shortly after re-election of Trump.

When he has more leeway.

Posted by: jared | Jan 31 2020 1:21 utc | 139

If Sanders is nominated, there's a good chance Trump will not be re-elected.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 31 2020 1:34 utc | 140

Jared @139

How exactly? Trump's war-making powers are binned.

read mine @ 108. AUMF was repealed today. Congress will now have to declare war and vote funding.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 31 2020 1:45 utc | 141

@ Likklemore 141

I am not keen on politics, but I believe I understand that that was a token vote (and not a serious one). That bill would have to be ratified by Senate and there is virtually no chance of that. And house of course knows that. After all both parties serve same master.

And speaking of useless government, posted on Escobars blog:
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2020/01/geopolitcal-dreams.html

Almost makes one feel bad for Pomp the walking meme.

Posted by: jared | Jan 31 2020 1:59 utc | 142

A little comic relief:

This Land is Mine (4.3 Million views since 2012)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

I'm actually surprised this hasn't been banned by the "hair on fire" anti-Semitism crowd.

Posted by: john brewster | Jan 31 2020 2:08 utc | 143

I am intrigued by the two new bulges of "Palestinian" territory along the Egypt/Israel border. I assume that this is being sold as compensation for the loss of Palestinian territory in the West Bank.

Anyone want to place bets that the real intention is for Israel to stuff that land with its own unwanted "Israeli Arabs"?

That would mean that those two bumps of land simply repeat two new bandstand intended to solve Israel's "demographic problem", rather than a sop to the Palestinians who are under Israel's belligerent occupation.

Posted by: Yeah, Righ | Jan 31 2020 2:16 utc | 145

karlof1 @ 95

"...Yes, as a true Jew, he saw himself as belonging to god, not the son of god, the appellation applied to him long after his murder by the Romans and Pharisees... "

You are of course completely rewriting the four Gospel narratives, which I don't say is forbidden, but as a matter of historical record, that is not what they say:

"This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased". Christians of the Old Calendar just celebrated this feast, called the Theophany, when John the Forerunner and cousin of Jesus baptized him in the River Jordan, saying that it were more fitting that he, John, be baptized by Jesus.

It's a great pity to leave the family relationships out of the Gospel narrative. You miss an awful lot by doing so.

Actually, you are correct, karlof1 that a misnomer was applied to Jesus by the Romans but actually nailed above his head. That was "King of the Jews". The pharisees, those paragons of virtue, stuck to calling him a blasphemer. Even if you only consider the texts that are available, (without advocating for their veracity) Jesus as he is described by those who knew him doesn't fit your assumptions at all. Bulgakov in "Master and Margarita" begins with his characters discussing an article to disprove the existence of Jesus, when somebody shows up who claims to have been present at the Crucifixion. So, yes, there are a variety of ways to address this problematic subject, and I personally do love Bulgakov's version (which he kept hidden in a drawer his entire life).

Posted by: juliania | Jan 31 2020 2:24 utc | 146

When it comes to geopolitical analysis, you folks are top notch - I learn a lot - nearly every visit. But when it comes to misinterpreting God's Word, I am obligated to speak up

I admit it's tempting to prattle on the way you do given how Evil has co-opted Christianity, and twisted it for greed and gain, and inflicted enormous suffering down through the ages. But that isn't the Gospel! And the stuff you say about Jesus is SO off-base and without ANY merit in Scripture

C.S.Lewis once aptly pointed out that given what Jesus proclaimed about Himself, He could ONLY be 1 of 3 things: a liar, a lunatic or God (source: Mere Christianity). Being a moral teacher or whatever else was said in this thread is not an option as it contradicts the above options. Jesus can't claim to be God AND be a moral teacher, unless He is indeed God. If He is NOT God, then He is liar or a lunatic - it's that simple

To b,or whomever moderates this thread, I am NOT proselytizing - just setting the record straight - so you guys know the Truth. Now if it means this comment gets deleted or worse I get banned, so be it - it will be a badge I wear proudly, as I serve a living, risen Saviour and it is His opinion that matters most to me

Now what I'm saying may sound like utter gibberish to you, and that's fine. "The cross is foolishness to them that are perishing"... Intellect alone does not get you right with God - it is many things: it is faith, it is grace, mercy, forgiveness, love, etc

Now if you guys want chapter & verse, I am MORE than happy to lay it all out here...

If you guys want to babble on about the Bible being "just another book", by all means, that is your prerogative - feel free to dissect it like any other historical document, but you will be doing yourselves a grave disservice.

And no, God, the Creator of the universe & my Saviour, needs no defense from me... He is more than capable
But it is my honour and duty to speak up...

In closing, seeing as this might be my last post... I marvel at all the blathering about politicians as if there is ANY hope in them - there isn't. You guys carry on as if they're stupid - if ONLY they could see what we see, THEN they would do the right thing - WRONG! All these western politicians can't ALL be simultaneously ignorant... but they can all be blackmailed or bought or even demonically influenced... Luciferianism is real and is the true basis of Zionism. And sadly Christians in the US allowed Zionists to influence Biblical theology via Scolfield. That's where the unbiblical notion of the "rapture" came from... the Western Christians have been beguiled ever since, and so much so that many are not true Christians... and how can they be? With their support of the illegal occupier of Palestine, the blood of other Christians are on their hands, especially in the ME.

On Judgement Day, the so-called zionist-"christians" will be in for a surprise:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

Thank you all... trolls too... "iron sharpens iron"... this site has been a blessing to me, for the most part... thanks b

OK, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 31 2020 2:36 utc | 147

@ 104; Great link, thanks. Nice to read material fostered by people who have been in Russia for some years, and who have dealt with V. Putin.

Unlike the anti-Russian BS spun by most of our so-called "journalists in MSM..

Posted by: ben | Jan 31 2020 2:47 utc | 148

"Tax on Excessive garbage output is coming to your town. You will be restricted to xxxKGs/LBS annually. Your garbage will be weighed and at December 31st any excess above the permissible will attract additional tax.
Anyone see the unintended consequences?

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 15:21 utc | 24

++++++++++

Do you mean people dumping garbage in nearby ravines?
I assume the intended consequence is to incentivize reducing one's volume of garbage. The easiest way to do that would be to stick one's household garbage in public bins. Of course that is illegal, but . . .
Still, the effort to raise social awareness about waste-related issues is valuable. Regardless of what we do with our personal garbage, all of society---certainly municipal budgets---suffer from the trash tsunami produced by WEstern consumer society.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 31 2020 3:15 utc | 149

Lysias #140

YES TO THAT. Go Bernie go.

On the anti Semitic issue. IMO the gross expression of anti Semitic action is the brutal occupation of Palestine and the Holocaust perpetrated against Palestinian people.

Shooting Palestinian children and adolescents in the legs with clear intent to cripple them is gross, unpardonable anti Semitism.

Israel government and it's military are perpetrators of anti Semitic crimes against humanity. Enough already.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 31 2020 3:23 utc | 150

Patroklos@128 / Bemildred@129
+1 for MC5.
Funnily enough, I'd never heard of them until I listened to Radio Birdman (who reference MC5 and The Stooges in a song - 'Do The Pop', off Radios Appear album).
Great tunes, all.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 31 2020 3:51 utc | 151

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 0:52 utc | 135

Yes, an interesting question and a weird sequence of reporting on the casualties:

1. No casualties
2. Nothing serious, just a few headaches
3. Brain injuries, 50 hospitalized, 12 seriously
4. but no deaths.

Sounds like something bad happened but it's been spun heavily by WH PR: 'nothing to see here...'

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 31 2020 4:20 utc | 152

karlof1 @ 95

Jesus did proclaim himself to be the Son of God according to the written record and on a higher spiritual plane than the rest of us earthlings. The Jews of the day, including his close followers, continually asked the question, are you going to restore the Kingdom? Jesus would respond, my Kingdom is not of this world. It has always been the drive of the leadership to restore the Kingdom with their hoped for military messiah since it was taken from them multiple times for following the occult practices of the nations around them.

Jesus encountered what almost all the previous prophets and leaders in the Old Testament encountered, a corrupt religious leadership class hell bent on practicing occult practices in secret while shaking down the population with their religious rules. The Old Testament Jews were kicked out the land for absorbing occult practices in violation of their God's rules.

The religious leaders of the day hated Roman occupation and expected Jesus to use his powers to kick some Roman ass. That was not his mission. They were fully absorbed in the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud and shaking down the people thru their rules. Turn in in your evil gold into Temple script to buy animals to sacrifice to remove your sin.

In that era the zealots were the Zionists and one of Jesus close disciples was a zealot. After the death of Jesus and three rebellions against Rome the Jews were taken to ports in Egypt and shipped off into slavery just as Moses had predicted. The Romans had had enough and the Jews of the land were seeded into what is now Western Europe.

The Hebrews came into the land through Egypt and Moses told them if they failed to follow the rules they would leave the land through Egypt.

The Christian Jews of the era heeded Jesus warnings and did not participate in the insurrections against Rome. It was a bloodbath. Jews were killing Jews who refused to stand and fight. They are hated to this day for not fighting with the Zealots.

Today we have the Christian Zionists and their beam me up Scotty fake doctrine. That is a story for another day. They are now a whole owned subsidiary of Zionism

Posted by: dltravers | Jan 31 2020 4:23 utc | 153

Norborne #62

Thank you, that was entirely well said.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 31 2020 4:24 utc | 154

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 31 2020 1:13 utc | 137

"I learned to say the pledge of allegiance
Before they beat me bloody, down at the station
They haven't got a word out of me since
I got a billion years probation"

Right on.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 31 2020 4:24 utc | 155

Norogene #62 that was.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 31 2020 4:25 utc | 156

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 31 2020 3:51 utc | 151

Radio Birdman were our MC5. Golden age of Oz Rock. I wonder whether Peter Garrett visits MoA?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 31 2020 4:27 utc | 157

I seem to remember debsisdead attempted to promote the usage of judeophobia & judeophobe ahead of antisemetic and antisemite here back in the noughties, but few if any signed up to is so I did a search in within a coupla minutes found posts from 2007 , 2008, 2008 & 2009

It was given up only occasionally using it in the teens as it seems people find it easier to converse in cliches n memes & other broad terms that slide across the tongue and never trouble a listener or reader to concentrate sufficiently on specific and more emotive details. This is where we are, in another generation or so when it is no longer neccessary to be literate, few will be able to read & write or have a vocabulary of more than about 500 words. Oh joy imagine how easy pols will have it then.

Posted by: A User | Jan 31 2020 4:37 utc | 158

I seem to remember debsisdead attempted to promote the usage of judeophobia & judeophobe ahead of antisemetic and antisemite here back in the noughties, but few if any signed up to is so I did a search in within a coupla minutes found posts from 2007 , 2008, 2008 & 2009

It was given up only occasionally using it in the teens as it seems people find it easier to converse in cliches n memes & other broad terms that slide across the tongue and never trouble a listener or reader to concentrate sufficiently on specific and more emotive details. This is where we are, in another generation or so when it is no longer neccessary to be literate, few will be able to read & write or have a vocabulary of more than about 500 words. Oh joy imagine how easy pols will have it then.

Posted by: A User | Jan 31 2020 4:37 utc | 159

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 31 2020 4:20 utc | 152

Son of a gun:

Pentagon Says U.S. Injury Count From Iran Strike Rises to 64

The 64 service members -- 14 more than previously reported -- have been diagnosed with mild traumatic brain injuries, Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Campbell, a Defense Department spokesman, said in a statement on Thursday night. Of those, 39 have returned to duty; at least 21 have gone to Germany for “further evaluation and treatment.”

“We’ll continue to monitor them the rest of their lives, actually, and continue to provide whatever treatment is necessary,” General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in the statement.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 4:56 utc | 160

In response to: Vig | Jan 30 2020 23:56 utc | 130

Just because the early-to-mid 20th century incarnation of modern-day Zionism was included a broad spectrum of voices (including intellectual peaceniks like Uri Avnery) and intentions does not mean that it could not (and did not) devolve into a parallel form of ethnocentric nationalism approximating the excesses of Nazism.

The historical current (that which has a "long tail", as you astutely reminded us) is subtle and nuanced and things and events can easily set the current off in any one direction. It just so happens today that the Settlers and their rabid hardcore, extreme-Zionist, hater supporters (Likudniks) has taken over the politics of the country. I know, I'm in the midst of it and it breaks my heart more than you can imagine. So don't even suggest for a moment that we couldn't possibly understand what's happening.

Also, insults also serve to distract from the substance of my point. To suggest that I (or others) couldn't possibly understand the nuances of historical progression is intended to distract from the issue at hand. Like I said, this isn't Zerohedge: so try to engage with my point instead of insinuating that I (and the vast majority of others here) lack the capacity or will to understand what's happening. Citing random literature without substance doesn't make your point.

Please explain to me (and others) how it really is.

Posted by: Norogene | Jan 31 2020 5:00 utc | 161

@ Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 4:56 utc | 160 who wrote/quoted

"
The 64 service members -- 14 more than previously reported -- have been diagnosed with mild traumatic brain injuries, Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Campbell, a Defense Department spokesman, said in a statement on Thursday night. Of those, 39 have returned to duty; at least 21 have gone to Germany for “further evaluation and treatment.”
"


39 returned to duty plus 21 on to Germany equals 60 and we don't get to know yet about the other 4.......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 31 2020 5:06 utc | 162

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 31 2020 5:06 utc | 162

Well he did say "at least" 21.

Soon after the Iranian attack I read a narrative somewhere, supposed to be an interview with troops that were there when the attack came. They were there to control some drones that were in the air, and the fiber connection to the drones was taken out by the missile strike and they had to scramble to get it (the fiber line) back up so they could bring the drones down (which they said they did).

They also indicated that they were terrified by the strikes, "nobody should have to feel that way", which suggests a close hit. For the moment I am assuming the Iranians used their good intelligence and accurate missiles to hit some things they were not supposed to know about. Given the theory we were talking about that they didn't put a lot of high explosives in the missiles (hence the smallish circular hits), I'm guessing that is what spooked them: a.) They hit what they wanted, one shot each, and b.) they hit important stuff they were not supposed to know about. Taking out that fiber line would be an example of that, as I gather the drones were part of the base defenses, and I think they had some people watching the perimeter, expecting something on the ground or coming from much closer. More rockets and such.

I think the US military was thinking that its was going to be a replay of Saddams SCUDs, and not hit much if anything in that big base. What a wakeup call.

These guys with concussions could be the same guys, and you know they would not want to talk about any of that ...

At the time I just noted it, now I wish I could find it. The internet is the land of bullshit, so take it for what it's worth, but it fits, bears watching.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 5:50 utc | 163

The real problem is that the western world is run by bankers and a surprisingly large proportion of the most influential ones are Jewish. They control the media (including Hollywood) and have a death grip on most western governments. Why else would 2/3 of the UK parliament be in 'Friends of Israel' groups, why else do US politicians have to swear undying loyalty to the nasty little apartheid war criminal state? Mark U @ 9.

to Steven tjohnson @17 millions of Americans [believe the Mob in London, Paris and America, gave Palestine to the Jews]. Those who believe Palestine was to be a Gift from God should read this have not read this London’s five eyes toward an explanation for WWI and WWII.

There's a reason the Zionist and Nazi behaviours are so similar... they are simply using the illegitimate authority process as overwhelmingly demonstrated by Milgram and Zimbardo, using Bernay's sociopathic propaganda recipes. Different objectives, but the exact same methodology. by: A P @ 37
<== sorta but I think Zionist are just engaging in King of the Mountain Economics. They seem to have goals, but I don't see adherence to a process.

To AP @ 68 =>The solution to the word "Zionism" and its use as a symbol of international power.

Zionism is a mob coordinated behind the scenes system of economics made to appear to be a Jewish racial and religious doctrine. Its the deep state of the deep state hiding behind the propaganda that uses Herzl's dream to continue its operations. The propaganda promotes that the world is made of the ethno Jew but it fronts a system of winner-take-all-economics.

Zionism has many non Jews among its powerful adherents. Propaganda magic transformed mobsterism into Jewish Zionism. The real problem is that the western world is run by bankers and a surprisingly large proportion of the most influential ones are Jewish. They control the media (including Hollywood) and have a death grip on most western governments. Why else would 2/3 of the UK parliament be in 'Friends of Israel' groups, why else do US politicians have to swear undying loyalty to the nasty little apartheid war criminal state? Mark U @ 9.

to Steven tjohnson @17 millions of Americans [believe the Mob in London, Paris and America, gave Palestine to the Jews. Those who believe Palestine was to be a Gift from God should read this have not read this London’s five eyes toward an explanation for WWI and WWII.

There's a reason the Zionist and Nazi behaviours are so similar... they are simply using the illegitimate authority process as overwhelmingly demonstrated by Milgram and Zimbardo, using Bernay's sociopathic propaganda recipes. Different objectives, but the exact same methodology. by: A P @ 37
<== sorta but I think Zionist are just engaging in King of the Mountain Ecomomics. They seem to have goals, but I don't see adherence to a process.

To AP @ 68 =>The solution to the word "Zionism" and its use as a symbol of international power<= most certainly is not Jewish ethno nationalism or ethno_jewish_pseudo-nationalism or anything like that.
Zionism is not a racial thing, race serves to cover for Zionism.

Zionism is a mob coordinated system of economics made to appear to be a Jewish racial and religious doctrine. Its the deep state of the deep state hiding behind the propaganda that uses Herzl's dream to continue its operations. The propaganda promotes that the world is made of the ethno Jew but it fronts a system of winner-take-all-economics.

Zionism has many non Jews among its powerful adherents. Propaganda magic transformed mobsterism into Jewish Zionism. Zionism is one more example of that divide and conquer strategy that has made humans victims of political power since the beginning of time. The folks hiding behind Zionism have made Jews into their soldiers, set the Jews up to be used as cannon fodder, when convenient to the needs of totalitarian economic intentions.

Zionism is a system of economics designed to make just one person wealthy, already it has narrowed the field down to a few people. A Zionist controlled economy flows all wealth to the few. and continues to narrow the few to fewer and fewer, it uses propaganda to conscript everyone else to its purpose, which is not, was not, and never will be genetically Jewish, one does not need a single Jewish gene to be a Zionist, being of the Jewish race is not a qualification to adopt the Zionist Manifesto...membership is competitive.. the nationalist rhetoric you speak of was not German, but Prussian, and Prussian came directly from the colonialism that victimized nations and their humanity around the globe since the Mormandy invasions. Centered within Switzerland, the city of London, London, UK and NYC. Hertzl's wish was funded by the mob, in 1897 at Basil, Switzerland. Zionism is a product of propaganda that fronts or hides the structures and activities of the economic intentions of the mobsters. Zionism developed a propaganda and used it to conscript the geneo Jewish elements in Europe and elsewhere into forming invading armies of Jews, that could serve the mobster purposes. Entho Jewish elements following Herzl's ideology became victims to the propaganda that Zionism represents the salvation of Judaism and keeps pure the Jewish race. <=without a pure race there can be no divide and conquer binary. Herzl-ism fronts mob intentions (deep state, banksters, corporations, privateers, and others) and serves the its feudal grants to its Jewish adherents in order to materialize the promise in the propaganda.


=> said to be a Trump Ordered definition imposed by the USA on Americans by amendment t/e civil rights act.
- defines being Jewish as both a nationality and religion under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, making it easier for the Department of Education to cut the funding for institutions that allow speakers, organizations and events that the White House regards as “anti-Semitic.” BDS is one such organization and has been particularly targeted.

https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Constitutional-Amendments-and-Legislation/ -

Jan @ 48 says it well => Nazi is nazi because of two qualities. they speak the cant and they do the crimes. The specific dialect is interesting, adds nuance, but not essential. This might be named the "Forrest Gump Definition of nazi" nazi is as nazi does. You can see it miles away.


Along comes Karlof1 @ 83 with words that need repeating in full here goes ..

"Long ago I wrote that Zionists were the planet's most virulent anti-semites and were 100% racist in that regard. Nothing has really changed in the 40+ years since. Alan Hart's three volumes documenting Zionism: Real Enemy of the Jews take awhile to get through but are well worth the effort if one really wants to know.

There are two important aspects of Judaism I believe are essential and shared with my students. First is all land and people are the property of god. Second is only god can provide a homeland for his people--they are not allowed to take it for themselves. Those are the two main reasons why you see Orthodox Jews burning the Israeli flag and saying Zionistan is an abomination and its creation goes against god's will.
by: karlof1 @ 83" and the concept of Exceptionalism is very much Old Testament.also by: karlof1 @ 119


Bubbles @ 90 says ""God's "covenant" in Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING."

Jayne @ 93 says WHO is directing this behavior?

The link posted by comment 67 says it all.by: mcohen @ 99 <= it says it all if you don't look back before the Ottoman empire was quashed.. by the mob posing as Jewish Zionist. It you reach back a little further you will see that Israel was formed because Whales which provided the world with oil were disappearing..

vig @ 130 I see you did not mention Bismark.. Wilhelm II in his book was very disappointed in Bismark but politically it was difficult for Wilhelm II to manuever around Bismark but I cannot read the books that say much about Bismark, what side of the fence was he on ? thanks. for your post.. I have saved it for later. .
@ Really @ 149.=>. why not make the person who sold the garbage take it back.. that would put pressure on the people that package everything in a non bio-disposable container. Zionism is one more example of that divide and conquer strategy that has made humans victims of political power since the beginning of time. The folks hiding behind Zionism have made Jews into their soldiers, set the Jews up to be used as cannon fodder, when convenient to the needs of totalitarian economic intentions.

Zionism is a system of economics designed to make just one person wealthy, already it has narrowed the field down to a few people. A Zionist controlled economy flows all wealth to the few. and continues to narrow the few to fewer and fewer, it uses propaganda to conscript everyone else to its purpose, which is not, was not, and never will be genetically Jewish, one does not need a single Jewish gene to be a Zionist, being of the Jewish race is not a qualification to adopt the Zionist Manifesto...membership is competitive.. the nationalist rhetoric you speak of was not German, but Prussian, and Prussian came directly from the colonialism that victimized nations and their humanity around the globe since the Mormandy invasions. Centered within Switzerland, the city of London, London, UK and NYC. Hertzl's wish was funded by the mob, in 1897 at Basil, Switzerland. Zionism is a product of propaganda that fronts or hides the structures and activities of the economic intentions of the mobsters. Zionism developed a propaganda and used it to conscript the geneo Jewish elements in Europe and elsewhere into forming invading armies of Jews, that could serve the mobster purposes. Entho Jewish elements following Herzl's ideology became victims to the propaganda that Zionism represents the salvation of Judaism and keeps pure the Jewish race. <=without a pure race there can be no divide and conquer binary. Herzl-ism fronts mob intentions (deep state, banksters, corporations, privateers, and others) and serves the its feudal grants to its Jewish adherents in order to materialize the promise in the propaganda.


consider this said to be Trump Ordered definition imposed by the USA on Americans
- defines being Jewish as both a nationality and religion under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, making it easier for the Department of Education to cut the funding for institutions that allow speakers, organizations and events that the White House regards as “anti-Semitic.” BDS is one such organization and has been particularly targeted.

https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Constitutional-Amendments-and-Legislation/ -

Jan @ 48 says it well => nazi is nazi because of two qualities. they speak the cant and they do the crimes. The specific dialect is interesting, adds nuance, but not essential. This might be named the "Forrest Gump Definition of nazi" nazi is as nazi does. You can see it miles away.


Along comes Karlof1 @ 83 with words that need repeating in full here goes ..

" Zionists ..are the planet's most virulent anti-semites and 100% racist.. Alan Hart's three volumes documenting Zionism: Real Enemy of the Jews take awhile to get through but are well worth the effort if one really wants to know.

...First all land and people are the property of god. Second only god can provide a homeland for his people--<==they are not allowed to take it for themselves. Those are the two main reasons why you see Orthodox Jews burning the Israeli flag and saying Zionistan is an abomination and its creation goes against god's will. by: karlof1 @ 83" and the concept of Exceptionalism is very much Old Testament.also by: karlof1 @ 119


Bubbles @ 90 says ""God's "covenant" in Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING."

Jayne @ 93 says WHO is directing this behavior?

The link posted by comment 67 says it all.by: mcohen @ 99 <= it says it all if you don't look back before the Ottoman empire was quashed.. by the mob posing as Jewish Zionist. It you reach back a little further you will see that Israel was formed because Whales which provided the world with oil were disappearing..

vig @ 130 I see you did not mention Bismark.. Wilhelm II in his book was very disappointed in Bismark but politically it was difficult for Wilhelm II to maneuver around Bismark but I cannot read the books that say much about Bismark, what side of the fence was he on ? thanks. for your post.. I have saved it for later. .
@ Really @ 149.=>. why not make the person who sold the garbage take it back.. that would put pressure on the people that package everything in a non bio-disposable container.

Posted by: snake | Jan 31 2020 7:20 utc | 164

snake | Jan 31 2020 7:20 utc | 164

Dude, It is true that it was said, and what was said is true, and brief.

But when you wrote> "Jan @ 48 says it well => nazi is nazi because of two qualities. they speak the cant and they do the crimes. The specific dialect is interesting, adds nuance, but not essential. This might be named the "Forrest Gump Definition of nazi" nazi is as nazi does. You can see it miles away." you miss-attributed.

Walter said it, though this is unimportant....might as well have been said by Goering...it's true whoever says it.

I have over the years gradually come to the view that the German nazis were (are) a peculiar manifestation an ill-bred daughter of the real nazi heimat...which lives, and has long lived, and cast off more circumspect and obedient daughters. Die Heimat?

Just for fun, let's pretend>> Die Nazi-Heimat existiert und brütet zwischen London und Washington und New York.

Say it ain't so...

Posted by: Walter | Jan 31 2020 9:56 utc | 165

Likklemore;
Does anyone know who chooses the trustees of the World Economic Forum (Davos) steering committee?

Posted by: Johny Conspiranoid | Jan 31 2020 10:12 utc | 166

Does anyone here know where the word nazi came from - its history?

Posted by: tucenz | Jan 31 2020 10:20 utc | 167

- I also have a number of visions:

1) The Middle East will see much more violemce. Perhaps we'll see a Arab Spring 2.0.
2) Once interest rates start to rise then the US will go trhough another financial crisis.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 31 2020 10:39 utc | 168

@ tucenz (167):

- Around 1920 there was a small german left wing party called "National Sozialistische Arbeiter Partei" It was german for "national socialist workers party". One Mr. A. Hitler took over that party and turned it into a right wing party with which he won the german 1932 elections.
- The word "nazi" is derived, an abbreviation from the word "Nati(onal)" See above.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 31 2020 10:48 utc | 169

Willy2 | Jan 31 2020 10:39 utc | 168 (visions)

The blind can see that your Nos 1 & 2 are well illuminated.

# 167. Yeah, is acronym from German "national socialist german workers party" which is NSDAP, which - and here I don't know how - became popularly spoken of a "nazi".... There's wiki on it.

About nazi heimat, speaking somewhat metaphorically, one might speculate that the ugly daughter that grew to live in Berlin had a an ugly twin who lives yet...perhaps in Palestine? Who can say...

Posted by: Walter | Jan 31 2020 10:51 utc | 170

snake #164

Zionism is a mob coordinated behind the scenes system of economics made to appear to be a Jewish racial and religious doctrine. Its the deep state of the deep state hiding behind the propaganda that uses Herzl's dream to continue its operations. The propaganda promotes that the world is made of the ethno Jew but it fronts a system of winner-take-all-economics.

Beyond jewish or even italian today. The Gaetani crime family is mighty big in the game. They are an old italian nobility that plundered their way to dominance in many fields - trade and banking and insurance. That is a closed cycle of extortion I would think.

I decline to get too hung up on the zionazi meme as it is much wider than zio or even italian - it is the mob from Venice, still reproducing, still ruthless and totally diversified and global without care for race of religion: just profit.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 31 2020 10:54 utc | 171

uncle tungsten | Jan 31 2020 10:54 utc | 171

Agree. The nomenclature zio or nazi does, one may imagine, describe two of the roguish ugly daughters of the home base complex, which is, I agree, pretty much the scoundrels you describe.

Naming, identifying the daughters for what they are, naturally, tells us where their mother is, and her name.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 31 2020 12:20 utc | 172

2012-09-28

Israel Lobby: Attack Iran First, End Israel Apartheid State| Heroes and Villains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U951pNgMFMU

Posted by: Mao | Jan 31 2020 12:41 utc | 173

Sid Finster @53

Yiddish is still generally seen as a Germanic dialect with a significant number of Slavic and Hebrew loanwords and a strong Slavic structural influence; in the last decades, however, several theories have come up suggesting that it may well have evolved the other way round, i.e. that it is in fact a German-relexified Slavic. Doesn't seem convincing to me but the theory is out there, and defended by arguments that seem credible to Slavic specialists (I am not one.)

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Jan 31 2020 13:01 utc | 174

Also somewhat OT.

On the Iranian missile attack there clearly is a lot of misinformation because the pieces don't fit together.

1. Iran both talks about not aiming for casualties and also about a number of casualties.
2. The US talks about no casualties and also about a number of casualties.
3. The US "Planet" company satellite picture(s) indicate different kinds of ordinance all used without warheads and some perhaps detonating any leftover missile propellant on impact, i.e. essentially purely kinetic.
4. The US "Planet" company satellite picture(s) indicate that no target was hit twice which would have been the most impressive demonstration of precision, and still despite this the hits do indicate a very high level of precision in other ways.
5. The US "Planet" company satellite picture(s) could easily be doctored without any way to tell. There is a noticeable lack of debris in the pictures.
6. The US "Planet" company satellite picture(s) show nothing that could explain any casualties or provide any reason for shock wave concussions.
7. None of the hits in the picture indicate any penetration into any bunkers, there are no indication of any holes being punched, however some of the targets have been subjected to much higher force than other targets (but still no indication of explosive force). This might provide an explanation: use of otherwise undisclosed significantly higher kinetic energy weaponry powerful enough to severely rattle underground structures using only shock waves traveling through material. Still if this was to be the case there should be even more debris.

This is all speculation and I still can't make it fit together, mostly due to the satellite image(s). Maybe that's indirect proof they're fake? But even it they're fake both US and Iranian contradictory statements remain :/

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 31 2020 13:09 utc | 175

As for the suggestion to establish a new term "Jewish ethnonationalism" instead of 'Zionism' I must object to it and instead suggest "Jewish ethno-tribalism', since the nationalism part obfuscates the recognition of Jewishnass for what it is:
An ideology to make it convenient for all the language end ethnic groups that constitute Jews/Hebrews/Israëli/The Lost Tribes to partly pitch op their war tents and means of destruction amidst a battle zone and influence people and make friends and enemies and hostages all over -- including within their quarrelsome an guerillous polity along the coastlines of Southern Phoenicia.
Also, I beg to differ on the escape route to Russia for mr.Dump: It runs straight under the Hickman High School that I attended for a year in Columbia Missouri which is a great source of Highschool Presidential Scholars. There are on both sides of that great city of the Show Me State some rather large areas of Amish and Mennonite farmers who have enough with keeping their ealds free of gophers and groundhogs already as it is -- without them needing any bigger vermin to undermine their fields.

Posted by: Oū Sī / 區司/ Usman | Jan 31 2020 13:30 utc | 176

Patroklos@157
Thanks. I love Radio Birdman, and all time favourite of mine.
Thanks also to William Gruff@132 & farm ecologist@137 for the additional MC5!

It really was a golden age of Australian music (was watching The Saints - "Know Your Product" on YouTube earlier). I'm feeling a bit dated all of a sudden. Ha.

I do wonder just how many Australian people of repute (or ill repute, for that matter) turn up here. Surely there must be a few.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 31 2020 13:43 utc | 177

Kushner: Palestinians Have Never Done Anything Right in Their Sad, Pathetic Lives

The first son-in-law has warned Palestinians not to “screw up this opportunity” at peace that he’s so graciously given to them.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/jared-kushner-peace-plan-palestinians

Posted by: Mao | Jan 31 2020 13:53 utc | 178

There’s no hope until Americans understand that politics in America is “Jewish money, d/b/a Donald Trump and the members of Congress in both parties.” Imagine the bookful blockheads ignorantly read who watch Fox News and believe they’re empowered despite Conservatism Inc conserving exactly nothing in the last 70 years of cultural warfare.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 31 2020 14:13 utc | 179

Posted by: jared | Jan 31 2020 1:59 utc 142
That bill would have to be ratified by Senate and there is virtually no chance of that. And house of course knows that.

There is a companion bill in the Senate Jan. 03.2020 - Kaine (D) Young (R) Durbin, original co-sponsor, and supported by Rand Paul (R) Mike Lee (R). Watch the RINOS... in this environment there is angst over Trump's inappropriate behaviour [Soleimani].
Also, the 2nd House Bill (at Link, 108) prohibits funding. Congress has the 'power of the purse' ...that has teeth. Dare Trump to veto? In this election year, Trump's 2016 campaign "bring the troops home" remains undelivered.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 31 2020 3:15 utc | 149
Do you mean people dumping garbage in nearby ravines?

No. Taking excess garbage to work --into the companies' commercial bins.
There was a great export trade of garbage. China and Philippines said No More

I assume the intended consequence is to incentivize reducing one's volume of garbage.
More taxes does not incentivize. Less packaging. Email Amazon to set an example.

Posted by: Johny Conspiranoid | Jan 31 2020 10:12 utc | 166
Does anyone know who chooses the trustees of the World Economic Forum (Davos) steering committee?

Selected within the Club of Pirates those who make the rules. It's an Exclusive Club and we are not invited.Link

and surprise, surprise here because this lady, Chrystia Freeland, does get around. She is being groomed and her heritage may not be exposed.

Note, the WEF's mission is: "Committed to Improving The State of The Their World."

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 31 2020 14:39 utc | 180

I had my Twitter account permanently suspended over two years ago for repeatedly saying "Nazis are as Nazis do" in response to various reports of abhorrent behavior on the part of occupying IDF forces towards imprisoned Palestinians. I received no warning and there was no real explanation given other than to accuse me of "targeted harassment", and just like that my account was gone.

It seems somewhat ironic that a private company can delete my account on a platform which is widely used by the president of my country as his primary method of public address, but what do I know. I'm beginning to think that maybe, possibly, while all animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: Information_Agent | Jan 31 2020 14:54 utc | 181

Somebody on the thread (or maybe a different one?) mentioned an interview with the US soldiers at Al-Asad air base. I think this is the article from CNN:

US troops sheltered in Saddam-era bunkers during Iran missile attack

There are photos of the substantial "Saddam-era" bunkers and also the puny upside-down U-shaped "shelters" built by Uncle Sam's finest. The US bunkers are open on both ends, so anyone inside would feel the blast pressure - apparently enough to cause traumatic brain injury.

Sometimes it doesn't take much to create a TBI. My step dad hit his head on the rear-view mirror during a low-speed crash. To the casual observer he looked fine, of course, but he had cognitive problems (esp. memory) until the end of his life.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 31 2020 14:57 utc | 182

Mike Bloomberg who said he is spending his money to get rid of Trump:

It's now Biden, Bernie, Bloomberg

Bloomberg surges past Warren into third place in new national poll

the polls are fluid - 6 months away.

Biden will flame out. It's all those Videos and his dementia. Throw in Obama's critiques.

Bernie, whether he is sheep-dogging or not and regardless of downplaying his recent heart attack, age, I see the Thomas Eggleton health factor is in play....

IMHO, The Dems convention will be brokered.

Billionaire vs Billionaire

Whatever the outcome, we are doomed. Pull up your Calendar to 2022.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 31 2020 15:07 utc | 183

Trailer Thrash do you know whether or not they're being told to keep their mouths open to mitigate some of the shockwave (like they do in mines when blasting) while they stand around and wait for a direct hit?

Shelters that can't even protect against bird shit or a rock, amazing level of idiocy.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 31 2020 15:26 utc | 184

Zionists have had a vision for the U.S. since they first started pushing their we are the world's only forever victims requiring unconditional love in the form of control and immense military protection quackery on the world.

This is their complete vision for the U.S., the world's people and Israel.: Yes, Masters, we accept your Chosen puppets, Democracy is bad for us, fascism is good, and in Israel Apartheid is not a crime against humanity but a very legitimate solution for much superior Jews to control and neutralize those rebellious inferior Arabs permanently, and the refugees you cleansed and stole from can eat cake!

I myself had a vision 10 years back that Zionists never wanted a two-state solution, but to legitimize a crime and now it's manifesting. The facts on the ground were making it clearer and clearer that because of their privileged victimhood that they milk so well, Zionists made themselves EXEMPT from the law, were able to use the Geneva Conventions as toilet paper and now found a chosen friend, Trump, who is helping them legitimize war crimes; ethnic cleansing and theft, and a crime against humanity, Apartheid, while they continue to export their fascist Zionism to where the rest of us live.

The day when we would be told by the Ziofascist Chosen leader and his shyster advocate, Dersho, that black is white and the stupid fawning mob would believe it, drown out all incredulity and drag the rest of us with them, has arrived.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE DUMB RELIGIOUS MASS; YOU JUST SOLD OUT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, DINGBATS!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2020 15:30 utc | 185

Trump / Bibi, reality tv show. The Art of the Steal. The empire has lost its mind.

Posted by: Giap | Jan 31 2020 15:31 utc | 186

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 31 2020 14:57 utc | 182

That appears to be a later version, similar but with more detail and "human interest", I'm going back to read it all now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 15:34 utc | 187

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 31 2020 14:57 utc | 182

Yep, same stuff, but 1.) mentions that Iran hit the base drone operators quarters, which explains the spooked look, and 2.) does not mention the fiber lines to the drones.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 31 2020 15:54 utc | 188

This "Peace Plan" is a sop thrown to the Evangelical Christians in the US, who don't care a whit about Jews or Judaism, they just want to see a resurgent Israel with Jerusalem as its capital in order to set the stage for fulfilling their Apocalyptic End Times prophecies.

And it is every bit as realistic as the visions in the Book of Apocalypse.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 31 2020 16:19 utc | 189

163#Bemildred

I read that too,and I think it was one of two or three CNN reports on the Ayn al Assad attack,including interviews with army personnel,one of them by the name of Major Ferguson.I remember also that the base was being protected by seven or nine drones.

I think the reason behind the shocked facial expressions of the warmongers at the presser,was the fact that Iran took out the drones in their parking garage ,the supervisor in chief of the drone section,the barracks lodging the drone pilots and the taxi-runway for drone take-offs.So as to show that nothing was hidden from Iranian Mil.Intelligence.

I think we should anticipate a false flag killing of Pompeo or Pence,or Trump,on one of their journeys,and thus starting a nuke-war on Iran,in the same time getting rid of Trump.

Posted by: willie | Jan 31 2020 16:28 utc | 190

I don't know if this legitimately comes under the subject of vision vs. reality, but I have been reflecting on the subject raised in previous posts, that of a regulation within the legal arrangement between Iraq and the US that withdrawal of the latter is complicated by. I can't quote that regulation accurately but it involved having to wait a year before withdrawal can 'legally' commence.

My thought on that was that surely this has been rendered nullable and voidable simply by the trashing of another such regulation overturned with respect to Iran, and that the US government in its infinite wisdom accomplished its very own self. (Not to mention of course illegaly assassinating two important leaders of Iran and Iraq who were in the process of creating a harmonious relationship.)

There are rules, like rules of the road, that can change country to country, as reality determines if they will be enforced. And then there are Laws, like the constitution on which a country [or a world] is founded. The latter do have visionary aspects, in that if they are broken, all hell can and often does ensue.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 31 2020 16:32 utc | 191

Today Neoliberal Democrats are crying crocodile in their boo-hoo soup because the Chosen Ziofascist Trump is getting away with his fascist cheat, but-but these Neo-libtards brought on this Ziofascist karma when they too pronounced themselves enthralled captives of Aipac and Zionism, whitewashed and participated in and vetoed all opposition to Zionist war crimes. Is it mere coincidence that Ziofascist Trump's lawyer is a rabid Zionist pushing the Zionist screed for decades and now making a mockery out of Constitutional dictates? Of course not! Neolibtards can't pretend that glaring irony is lost on them. It is totally fitting that a rabid Zionist of the type they have been enthralled with all these years, is the one to put the kabosh on their pathetic newly-discovered outrage with Washington corruption of which they are an integral part as they too worship the same pagan religion, Zionism, as their brothers and one or two sisters by another mother on the other side of the aisle.

The gatekeeper media is also in a tizzy that Ziofascist Trump got away with his gaming ways again, but-but they gave hundreds of millions in free publicity to the Chosen One coming down the escalator with snow white Maria Magdalena by his side and were perfectly fine with Hillary and the DNC's sidlining of Sanders whom they blacked out in the primaries in favor of their war hawk queen Hillary.

So we're supposed to believe that there are clean hands in this gang of SELLOUTS to Ziofascism and that one side is holier than the other?

Bernie Sanders is Lot. Go forward with him and the handful of honest politicians left who support him. Let the Sodoms and Gamorahists destroy themselves. Don't look back pining for that illusory remnant of democracy they proffer with deception, or you'll be turned to stone.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2020 16:37 utc | 192

I clapped with enthusiasm on the 'whitie reservation' plan.
But a problem is where could the egos of the likes of Trump,Hillary,
Bolton be squeezed in? And the stupidity of Pompeo not even into the grand Canyion!

Posted by: augusto | Jan 31 2020 16:47 utc | 193

@ farm ecologist | Jan 31 2020 1:13 utc | 137

I think you will appreciate this as well (I will understand if it gets deleted for excessive length)

i sing of Olaf glad and big
by E. E. Cummings

i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war:
a conscientious object-or

his wellbelovéd colonel (trig
westpointer most succinctly bred)
took erring Olaf soon in hand;
but--though an host of overjoyed
noncoms(first knocking on the head
him) do through icy waters roll
that helplessness which others stroke
with brushes recently employed
anent this muddy toiletbowl,
while kindred intellects evoke
allegiance per blunt instruments--
Olaf (being to all intents
a corpse and wanting any rag
upon what God unto him gave)
responds,without getting annoyed
"I will not kiss your fucking flag"

straightway the silver bird looked grave
(departing hurriedly to shave)

but--though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skilfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat--
Olaf (upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some shit I will not eat"

our president, being of which
assertions duly notified
threw the yellowsonofabitch
into a dungeon,where he died

Christ (of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf,too
preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 31 2020 16:50 utc | 194

Sorry -- that should have addressed farm ecologist's post at #155

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 31 2020 16:58 utc | 195

Circe - I like your metaphor except Bernie, if he is Lot, hasn't left the condemned city himself.

Go forth, Bernie! Join the Greens! (But, sadly, that opportunity was last time; pillar of salt has already happened.)

I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 31 2020 17:02 utc | 196

@196 juliania

The seat of governance is in Washington. Not to be present in the Senate at this time would appear as dereliction of duty. Believe me Bernie is not into wasting precious time before the Iowa primary on that FAKE TRIAL WITH A PRE-DETERMINED OUTCOME.

THE ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT ON BOTH SIDES WANTS TO DERAIL SANDERS, EXCEPT TRUMP WHO IS SO BLINDED BY HIS INFLATED IMAGE OF HIMSELF, HE THINKS DEFEATING SANDERS WILL BE A CAKEWALK. I think Trump will end up like Hillary did in 2016--wondering what the hell...happened.

Zionists are trying to stop Sanders momentum. WHY, do you think that is???

The Democratic Majority for Israel SuperPac running viral fear-mongering ads in IOWA days before the primary are hiding from Iowans with the images of ordinary wholesome-looking people/actors the real benefactor of this Ad: ISRAEL. This ad is for ISRAEL AND ZIONISTS' BENEFIT NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF IOWANS!

Behind the images of those paid actors pretending Americana lurks the heavy hand of ZIONIST INFLUENCE LURING IOWANS TO VOTE AGAINST THEIR BEST INTERESTS. They want to trick unsuspecting Iowans with fear-mongering to vote against Bernie Sanders and his platform that is meant to EMPOWER people, benefit the daily lives of average people and protect their freedom to choose what is best for them and to make their environment and the world better for everyone.

This pro-Israel Superpac is intent on derailing Sanders' campaign and eliminating choice.

Zionists are all about rigging democracy, control and getting America mired in one war after another; next destination--IRAN.

IOWA--don't fall for this Zionist trap!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2020 17:48 utc | 197

juliana @196

One mor thing: I was writing figuratively, not concretely! My anology is FIGURATIVE, as in looking forward to a government really by and for the people. Of course Bernie will have to govern from a physical place called Wasington! Where is he suppose to govern from KALAMAZOO??? Honestly, you'll twist anything to keep promoting Ziofascist Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 31 2020 17:59 utc | 198

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 31 2020 16:50 utc | 194

Wow - thanks for that!

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 31 2020 18:00 utc | 199

"Visions" can be real, see>

Michael Thompson
@M_R_Thomp
Something to potentially watch: Cosmos 2542, a Russian inspection satellite, has recently synchronized its orbit with USA 245, an NRO KH11.


Twitter...and also see warzone

A Russian "Inspector" Spacecraft Now Appears To Be Shadowing An American Spy Satellite

and cryptogon

Is innarrestin that the Reich plans to "demonstrate capabilities", for deterrence, no doubt.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 31 2020 18:01 utc | 200

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