Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 30, 2020

Those Who Have Visions ...

The former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt once famously said:

People who have visions should go see a doctor.

Yesterday U.S. President Donald Trump published a Vision for Peace, Prosperity, and a Brighter Future for Israel and the Palestinian People. The paper refers to 'vision' 28 times.

It is similar to this Lebanese 'Vision for Peace' for a brighter future for the people in North America which foresees some split of territory between natives and colonial settlers.


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Visions do not create rights. They have no legal grounds. They do not convey legality to anything.

Trump, his Zionist donors and the U.S. media seem to have trouble understanding that. They will be educated by those who continue to stand up for the rights of the Palestinian people.

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Haha.. I had a good laugh seeing the diagram.
Thank you 'b' for keeping us in good spirits!

Posted by: KD | Jan 30 2020 11:35 utc | 1

They never learn,vision for them is equal to dictate.

Posted by: Ciso Tagori | Jan 30 2020 11:43 utc | 2

My background is semantics and semiotics not geopolitics, but I often wonder how arguments involving Israel and its international lobby arm would be apprehended differently if two words were changed (made more accurate):

1. 'anti-semitism' to 'judeophobia.' Most semites arent Jews, most Jews arent Semites. The 'woke' Left seems not to have noticed that with the word 'anti-semitism,' all other semitic peoples are excluded.

2. Zionism to 'Jewish ethnonationalism.' Sure, it's cumbersome, but by highlighting that zionism is in fact {quasi} ethnonationalism, the often hypocritical positions of Jewish supporters of Israel who otherwise attack nationalism is exposed.

https://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/supremacy-zionist-exception/

Just a thought.

Posted by: Florin | Jan 30 2020 12:11 utc | 3

'Unilateral Peace' (h.t. see link)

Great Map

Posted by: moon | Jan 30 2020 12:15 utc | 4

RT: Israeli woman convicted of drug trafficking but pardoned by Putin

Interesting what this was traded for.

Posted by: pppp | Jan 30 2020 12:48 utc | 5

@5:
Putin and Netanyahu's relationship is too close for comfort.

Posted by: SharonM | Jan 30 2020 13:01 utc | 6

Posted by: Florin | Jan 30 2020 12:11 utc | 3

1) if you really have a background in semantics and semiotics your question seems a bit odd. But let me tell you, historically this argument has a very, very long tail. But Ok, I have met people in my field, who apparently weren't aware of simple basics after whatever degree. Thus you may not be a sham naive.

But could you tell me something about the "'woke' Left". As elder, I may not be quite as radically hopeful as b is. Woke is related how to radical semantically and considering usage?

2) welcome to the realisation that Zionism may have been some kind of Janus-Face or similiar response to the later Nazis to 19th century dynamics. In that context history and surely the history of language research may be a good starting points.

If you don't appreciate short-cuts and fast explanation to the complicated plain of history. Which surely Semantics mirror.

Posted by: Vig | Jan 30 2020 13:10 utc | 7

Lord Trump works in mysterious ways!

Often the end result of Trump's actions is the opposite of what he ostensibly aims to achieve. Some believe this is intentional.

For years Israel has been bullshitting the world with talk of peace and a two state solution. The plan has one positive aspect, it lays bare the Israeli vision of "peace" for all to see. It is not a two state solution but apartheid. A legal cover for occupation.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 30 2020 13:31 utc | 8

@Florin (3)

You are absolutely right in my opinion, the issue is that the terms used in most public discourse have been chosen with malice aforethought. Good luck with trying to change the terms of debate. Even if you succeeded (which you won't) they have a new term, 'antisemitic tropes' which, as you will have noticed, is as broad as they choose.

The real problem is that the western world is run by bankers and a surprisingly large proportion of the most influential ones are Jewish. They control the media (including Hollywood) and have a death grip on most western governments. Why else would 2/3 of the UK parliament be in 'Friends of Israel' groups, why else do US politicians have to swear undying loyalty to the nasty little apartheid war criminal state?

You are just going to have to settle for being right but seeing your point ignored. As we know, any criticism of Israel or any of their cronies is indicative of a desire to round up all Jewish people and put them all in great big ovens, apparently.

Posted by: MarkU | Jan 30 2020 13:37 utc | 9


The "Vision for Peace"
makes an unequivocal shout to future generations:

"We did not want peace"

Posted by: librul | Jan 30 2020 13:38 utc | 10

Is Elijah Magnier considered a reliable source? If so, he sure had a (conditional) doozy on his twitter feed yesterday.

Posted by: casey | Jan 30 2020 13:49 utc | 11

Trump's 'vision for peace' appears to be a prelude to war.

As for vision, both Schmidt and Trump disgrace the word. Trump is not a man of vision. He is closer to the opposite. Vision IS needed in geopolitics and in politics generally. Most leaders today are afflicted with severe lack if vision.

Russia can no longer be defended, Putin in particular. To constantly preach about international law while warmly countenancing Israel's endless and brutal violation of it looks even worse on Russia than it looks on the US. For the US it is arrogance. For Russia it is subservience.

Posted by: paul | Jan 30 2020 13:49 utc | 12

Florin @ 3

Completely agree with #1. An egregious presumption by zionist supporters demarcating, fallaciously, judeophobia as anything to do with the Middle East, North Africa. Calling what is and has been judeophobia (anti-Jewish/ness) anti-semitism and using it exclusively for this group is to deny Palestinians particularly their really existing Semitism. And it makes "special" this discrimination, prejudice, different, more heinous.

With #2 less in agreement, unless by "ethno-nationalism" you mean that the zionist Ashkenazim (the majority of Jewish zionists, to my knowledge)have falsely adopted the semitism of the region while, of course, actually viewing themselves as superior to Arabs/Palestinians/Arab Jews - the genuine semites.

And zionism is surely about as European, western an Orientalist, supremacist mindset, worldview? As well as being in practice and action in Occupied Palestine (known as Israel as well as the West Bank and Gaza) - in completely colonialist, inhumane, violent, war criminal ways and has been so for more than 70 years. Indeed since the later 19C...

Posted by: AnneR | Jan 30 2020 13:56 utc | 13

Sorry, but there's a problem with that map. Too much of Arizona and New Mexico is awarded to the white man. I live on a bit of it, and it's pueblo land!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 30 2020 14:06 utc | 14

@Florin (3) (semantics, rhetoric, naming)

I too have pointed out the incorrect use of Semitic in the zionist/Jewish matter. Glad to see yours. In point of fact, of course, the zionist program to get lebensraum by liquidation or enslaving the Semitic native populations is telling, definitive.

You're right. But the possibly more direct usage is perhaps more effective. zionist behavior is functionally precisely nazi behavior, it has every feature save the goose-step. Even the early proponents spoke a near-German language.

zionism and nazi-ism may be not the same, but I can't see any material difference.

At home we simply call they "nazis" because that's what they spout and what they do. Maybe they're saints, but that's how we ourselves speak to those matters. It's honest, direct, simple, and understandable by anyone. Also not very polite, or healthy, in some places. Truth can trouble some people.

(The Quakers say "tell the truth and shame the devil"... With the idea implied that truth saying is a duty under god, whatever it costs. The Quakers used to be significant in US history, but like CPUSA, are under reliable and useful control as agents of X. (ask Ruth Paine, of the curator group for Oswald operation))

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I sketched a cartoon myself (after I appreciated b's cartoon map).

I drew a "two state solution"

State # 1 is a stick of explosive with a lit fuse.

State # 2 is the explosion...

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 14:06 utc | 15

New Aipac group created to curb the Democratic Progressive Grassroots Movement …

Pro-Israel Super PAC is spending big money to defeat Bernie Sanders in Iowa | Mondoweiss |

The faces of the old guard who were behind the doomed campaign of HRC in her defeat to long-shot Trump. Also UANI and the successful campaign to defeat the Iran deal, by second try, in 2018.

Posted by: Oui | Jan 30 2020 14:09 utc | 16

My feeling is that millions of Christians believe God gave Palestine to the Jews, end of story, except for the ones who are rather more pleased than not to find Jews have a country of their own to go away from this one. People always want to pretend "religion" is something like a Unitarian congregation, but it's not. Trump's plan will not lose any supporters. And the so-called opponents who insist on treating religious belief with respect will always fail.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 30 2020 14:13 utc | 17

(8) Lord trump, indeed. Another way to call trump, Putin's asset.

Posted by: Bardi | Jan 30 2020 14:17 utc | 18

Trump and son-in-law Jared's vision laid bare: cloaked as "let's legitimize stollen property and steal more"

it also allows Jerusalem to extend Israeli law to all the existing settlements, which is tantamount to annexation.
in a closed door meeting of the usual suspects-

Times of Israel:
Israeli Envoy to US Says Palestinians Won’t Have a State in a Long Time Under Trump’s Plan

WASHINGTON — US Ambassador to Israel David Friedman told a gathering of American Jewish and Christian Evangelical leaders that it would take a long time for a Palestinian state to emerge under the White House’s Middle East peace plan, according to sources in the room.

Shortly after US President Donald Trump unveiled his long-awaited proposal Tuesday, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flanked by his side, Friedman met with a group of more than 20 Jewish and Evangelical leaders for an off-the-record briefing.[.]

and Bibi smiles. ... a long time if ever.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 14:22 utc | 19

Oui | Jan 30 2020 14:09 utc | 16 (zionish buckies)

They say that Truman beat Dewey in '48 because the nazis, er "zionist agent" ponyed up 2 million 1948 dollars. Lotta money in those days...

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steven t johnson | Jan 30 2020 14:13 utc | 17

We are surrounded in our small riverain community by nuttychristers who believe precisely as you describe. They also, many, expect to beam up in some magical way..."rapture". The Old Army Game on their soft pliable grey matters...a gang of dangerous rubes.

zionism, nazi-ism, and Judaism are not compatible, but if any preacher or Rabbi were to say this from a local pulpit there'd be a change in his status before sunset. (actually there are zero Rabbis here, but a few within 100 km.

I am pretty sure the guy who tried 30 years ago to teach me Hebrew, a Rabbi (long retired now) sees this for what it is, and for what it's leading to, if he's still alive.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 14:23 utc | 20

Florin @ 3

Thanks for your thoughtful post, and the Mondoweiss article was very good. It presents a useful comparison between ethnonationalism here in the US and in Israel. While one is condemned (by "woke" and almost all "unwoke"!), the other is accepted or ignored by many of the same folks. I will use this when discussing the issue with those with open minds; the challenge is finding the key to open minds, without moving into polarity which entrenches folks in their views.

As to the term "anti-semitism" it is so ingrained into usage I don't see it going away any time soon. I could see the narrative shifting as more people become aware that criticizing Israel or opposing their actions is not "anti-semitic", and maybe they could also learn the points you make about who semites actually are.

As to "Zionism", most people don't even know what it is (at least in the area where I live). They have heard the term but make little connection with it actually being Jewish ethnonationalism. I feel the term Zionism is valid for usage, but once again the challenge is shifting the narrative so that people understand what it truly entails. Years ago, the UN passed a resolution equating Zionism with Racism; of course the usual suspects voted against that.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 30 2020 14:35 utc | 21

To Florin 3, and then all who replied:

YES, YES, YES!

Words matter, they can be as precise as scalpels or as blunt as a sledgehammer. In skilled hands, a word-tool can be either be a scalpel or a sledgehammer.

Jewish ethnonationalism (Zionism) was well underway from the mid-1800s, and well-supported (at least in terms of "solving the Jewish problem") in some elite circles in the early 1900s as the Balfour Declaration proves. The Nazis erred in thinking it was the Jewish population was the "problem", when the problem resided in the Jewish/banking and intellectual elites (e.g. Rothchilds).

AIPAC etc. shows this malignant ideology continues to grow in scope and influence.

We here at MoA should adopt Florin's more correct terms and use them here at MoA AND ANYWHERE ELSE WE POST... From and acorn of an idea, a mighty oak of understanding may grow. But it won't grow if we don't nurture it.

Semitism refers to speakers of Semitic languages, of which Hebrew-speakers are but one part... most of the rest are Arabic speakers. The term antisemitism was hijacked in the early 1800's.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/anti-Semitism

"... also antisemitism, 1881, from German Antisemitismus, first used by Wilhelm Marr (1819-1904) German radical, nationalist and race-agitator, who founded the Antisemiten-Liga in 1879; see anti- + Semite.

Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions, or policies, but almost always used in this sense. Those who object to the inaccuracy of the term might try Hermann Adler's Judaeophobia (1881). Anti-Semitic (also antisemitic) and anti-Semite (also antisemite) also are from 1881, like anti-Semitism they appear first in English in an article in the "Athenaeum" of Sept. 31, in reference to German literature. Jew-hatred is attested from 1881. As an adjective, anti-Jewish is from 1817."
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Words matter as the Israel Project's "Global Language Dictionary"(IP-GLG) demonstrates, the Jewish ethnonationalists (Zionists) use words to hide their intentions. Why not call the IP-GLD "Propaganda Language to support the theft of, and genocide in, Palestine"? It's a far more accurate description of the contents and intents... but being honest and transparent is not what the international Jew/Israel Lobby/elite is all about.
https://www.transcend.org/tms/2014/08/global-language-dictionary/

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 14:58 utc | 22

Good map ‘b’
I would love to see a political map of the US White House showing percentage of Israeli influence on American policy! Duel nationals, lobby groups excetera plus maybe one showing which states are biased toward Israel as opposed to palistine.
It’s known as ‘declaring an interest’ those people should be barred from decision making re Israel.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 30 2020 15:08 utc | 23

There is no shortage of people with Visions. I am keeping an eye on this bunch:

'Greta, bonnie Prince Charles and the pirate billionaires and trillionaires'- In another post I queried how did Greta go to Davos? Silly me; Greta was invited the keynote speaker. "Stop Climate change" was this year's theme: the Vision - 'stop the natural cycle of the universe' -
Now she intends to Trademark 'How Dare You' and set up a Foundation Indeed, Greta found her sugar daddies. Adults who encourage truancy.

my grandpa was a wise bloke and admonished "when politicians and do gooders are in the same room, keep an eye on your money."

William F. Engdahl names the pirates in the "Stop Climate" (cycles) Money Trail.
Follow the “Real Money” Behind the “New Green Agenda”

[.] Davos trustees

It was no accident that Davos, the promoter of globalization, is so strongly behind the Climate Change agenda. Davos WEF has a board of appointed trustees. Among them is the early backer of Greta Thunberg, climate multi-millionaire, Al Gore, chairman of the Climate Reality Project. WEF Trustees also include former IMF head, now European Central Bank head Christine Lagarde whose first words as ECB chief were that central banks had to make climate change a priority. Another Davos trustee is outgoing Bank of England head Mark Carney, who was just named Boris Johnson’s climate change advisor and who warns that pension funds that ignore climate change risk bankruptcy (sic).

The board also includes the influential founder of Carlyle Group, David M. Rubenstein. It includes Feike Sybesma of the agribusiness giant, Unilever, who is also Chair of the High Level Leadership Forum on Competitiveness and Carbon Pricing of the World Bank Group. And perhaps the most interesting in terms of pushing the new green agenda is Larry Fink, founder and CEO of the investment group BlackRock.[.]

TCFD and SASB Look Closely…

As part of his claim to virtue on the new green investing, Fink states that BlackRock was a founding member of the Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosures (TCFD). He claims, “For evaluating and reporting climate-related risks, as well as the related governance issues that are essential to managing them, the TCFD provides a valuable framework.”[.]

TCFD was created in 2015 by the Bank for International Settlements, chaired by fellow Davos board member and Bank of England head Mark Carney. In 2016 the TCFD along with the City of London Corporation and the UK Government created the Green Finance Initiative, aiming to channel trillions of dollars to “green” investments. The central bankers of the FSB nominated 31 people to form the TCFD. Chaired by billionaire Michael Bloomberg, it includes in addition to BlackRock, JP MorganChase; Barclays Bank; HSBC; Swiss Re, the world’s second largest reinsurance; China’s ICBC bank; Tata Steel, ENI oil, Dow Chemical, mining giant BHP and David Blood of Al Gore’s Generation Investment LLC. Note the crucial role of the central banks here.[.]


of note: Mark Carney upon leaving his position of Governor Bank of England will serve as global warming adviser to Boris Johnson. Who knew Carney was a scientist?
Pre-alert:
Tax on Excessive garbage output is coming to your town. You will be restricted to xxxKGs/LBS annually. Your garbage will be weighed and at December 31st any excess above the permissible will attract additional tax.
Anyone see the unintended consequences?

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 15:21 utc | 24

Mark2 @ 23

Israeli population in the world: 0.11 %
Israeli influence in US foreign policy: 99.89 %

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 30 2020 15:22 utc | 25

Posted by: AnneR | Jan 30 2020 13:56 utc | 13

what is and has been judeophobia (anti-Jewish/ness) anti-semitism and using it exclusively for this group is to deny Palestinians particularly their really existing Semitism.

May look like a convenient shortcut, unfortunately it may get you into the easy shortcut wilderness. Semites was orginally used to categorize a group of languages and via that language category the people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people#Ethnicity_and_race

In Germany were the term antisemite originated one can occasionally find the "label" Hebrew other in achives to label Germans of Jewish faith.

Posted by: vig | Jan 30 2020 15:24 utc | 26

Posted by: paul | Jan 30 2020 13:49 utc | 12

Putin is nothing if not a pragmatist. A nationalist as well. See where Russia was when he began his first term as President and where it is now which is even more impressive when resistance from the US and 'friends' is taken into account.

Being pragmatic doesn't always satisfy everyone. He doesn't have the same political system as the US and Western Democracies either, so there's that. I think a large part of his appeal to those who see him objectively is his attempts to be a broker rather than a hot head reactionary and that would apply to the nasties in Israel. Capt Obvious says Israel isn't a standalone problem.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 15:32 utc | 27

to Florin - Yes, I completely agree with you - stating the obvious which many people refuse to acknowledge. Sadly - people will not hear what they don't want to hear, the horse will not drink etc. How many lives have been lost due to this semantical deception? The deniers just don't f'ing care.

to Paul. Yes, I am very very disappointed in the Putie. After all his high and mighty talk of the high road, respect for law etc etc, he practically wets himself bending over to kiss NuttiYayoo's butt. Very sad.

Posted by: Miss Lacy | Jan 30 2020 15:49 utc | 28

Sorry, but there's a problem with that map. Too much of Arizona and New Mexico is awarded to the white man. I live on a bit of it, and it's pueblo land!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 30 2020 14:06 utc | 14

I agree, that great big reservation needs to be Palestined! If there are too many whiteys that need to go in there, put them multistorey underground.

Posted by: BM | Jan 30 2020 15:50 utc | 29

Putin and Netanyahu's relationship is too close for comfort.
Posted by: SharonM | Jan 30 2020 13:01 utc | 6

Name one national leader to whom Putin displays a lack of respect?
He's not a big-mouthed AmeriKKKan or a sleazy Pom. It's Russian (and Chinese) policy to keep the door to the path of diplomacy open at all times.

I'm surprised that everyone is pretending not to notice that Trump hasn't finished helping the "Israelis" to outsmart themselves. He's made several of their criminally psychotic dreams come true and they've lapped them up without any apparent reservations about the legal and moral ramifications.
He'll keep 'giving' them increasingly ridiculous concessions because he's probably as curious as everyone else to discover if there's a practical limit to the quality and quantity of asinine bullshit the "Israelis" will believe.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 30 2020 15:57 utc | 30

With some 29 million speakers, Amharic is another Semitic language with far more speakers than Hebrew.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 30 2020 15:59 utc | 31

and Bibi smiles. ... a long time if ever.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 14:22 utc | 19


Kerry and Co. complained bitterly about his obfuscating which was intended to bring the so called peace negotiations to a standstill. Stall until the clock ran out on Obama's presidency and in the meantime continue with the status quo. Or "Facts on the ground." as he liked to summarize things. More of that choice of words or framing as Florin 3 wrote about.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 16:03 utc | 32

i always thought it a shame that the war of 1812 ended in a (more or less) draw. the brits had ideas for cutting up the US that would have been similar to that fake map (which was kinda amusing until i saw the "derpa derp russia" bit) and kept the settler trash from moving west and genociding everything that wasn't nailed down.

oh well...at least it's comforting to think ahead a few decades when most of the southwest will be "little mexico".

Posted by: the pair | Jan 30 2020 16:04 utc | 33

... zionist behavior is functionally precisely nazi behavior, it has every feature save the goose-step. Even the early proponents spoke a near-German language.
Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 14:06 utc | 15

Ok, thanks Walter that's helpful. Now we have neatly sorted matters out. In just a few goose-steps. The Ashkenazis may have caught the German genocidal gene maybe via their Germanic variant Yiddish? Now that we found the source. It might get better once speakers of that tongue have died out?

R.I.P. Uri Avnery:
... reminded of the classic Jewish joke about the Jewish mother in Russia taking leave of her son, who has been called up to serve the Czar in the war against Turkey. “Don’t overexert yourself’” she implores him, “Kill a Turk and rest. Kill another Turk and rest again…”

“But mother,” the son interrupts, “What if the Turk kills me?”

“You?” exclaims the mother, “But why? What have you done to him?”

Posted by: Vig | Jan 30 2020 16:04 utc | 34

BM | Jan 30 2020 15:50 utc | 29 (map)

I see Alaska and Hawaii have presumably gone back to the original owners, but it's not shown.

I assume Alaska went to Russia (which is what a pal who fishes there expects!) (there is a plan, I am told, to run a rail tunnel under Bering Strait, Canada, America, and further South all the way as part of the OBOR project.). But that can happen if the natives wish association with Ru and Chin...

(I'm not terribly serious about this, but Times do change and stuff does happen)

I assume the Monarchy is re-established in Hawaii.

In all seriousness, the DoD plans for Alaska if nukewar with USSR went against the US, was to use Gladio teams to control the natives, who were regarded as unloyal and sympathetic to the "commies"... no url, but I read this in FOIA stuff years ago.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 16:12 utc | 35

Vig | Jan 30 2020 16:04 utc | 34

English is a Germanic Language.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 16:14 utc | 36

To Vig:
There's a reason the Zionist and Nazi behaviours are so similar... they are simply using the illegitimate authority process as overwhelmingly demonstrated by Milgram and Zimbardo, using Bernay's sociopathic propaganda recipes. Different objectives, but the exact same methodology.

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 16:18 utc | 37

Trump's so-called Deal of the Century is more like the Steal of the Century.

The Israelis are essentially imitating the United States by legitimizing their theft of Palestinian lands--just as the United States has legitimized its own theft of Native Indian, Mexican, or Hawaiian lands with similar legal fig leafs like Trump's proposed deal.

Posted by: ak74 | Jan 30 2020 16:20 utc | 38

English is a Germanic Language.
Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 16:14 utc | 36

bastard language, if you ask me, following my irreverant Swiss Prof in linguistics. But yes, strong Germanic base. You don't want me to go into more respectful detail, will you?

Posted by: Vig | Jan 30 2020 16:21 utc | 39

Cute...
People who cannot see should have their eyes checked.

Posted by: Josh | Jan 30 2020 16:26 utc | 40

To Walter: Nice try... obviously English evolved as each wave of migrants and invaders swept across what we now call the British Isles. Modern English is a mish-mash of virtually every language the populations speaking it ever encountered. The greater the interaction, the greater the words and ideas appropriated into English. But English was not always the "lingua franca" to the world... that term should be it's own explanation, but in case you missed it:

"lingua franca (n.)

1620s, from Italian, literally "Frankish tongue." A stripped-down Italian peppered with Spanish, French, Greek, Arabic, and Turkish words, it began as a form of communication in the Levant. The name probably is from the Arabic custom, dating back to the Crusades, of calling all Europeans Franks (see Frank). Sometimes in 17c. English sources also known as Bastard Spanish."
https://www.etymonline.com/word/lingua%20franca "


Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 16:26 utc | 41

I have a quibble with the map. The land gifted by Conanicus and Miantonomi to Roger Williams in 1638 CE should be included in the White Man Reservations.

Posted by: Peter VE | Jan 30 2020 16:28 utc | 42

Vig | Jan 30 2020 16:21 utc | 39 Sure, please! By all means.

However Shakespeare might be problematic... just a detail. Nobody speak Shakespeare...not 'round deeze parts.

I would say, and this is something we have discussed with family on the intellectual level, that English is the language of pirates. It's almost ideal for pirates. Bastard would perhaps be too kind, as bastards have no choice, while pirates may.

I'm serious VG, I want to to hear what you know...being an amateur.

Best Regards. Wally

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 16:28 utc | 43

To Josh 40: Perhaps to use their own words against them:

"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."

Matthew 3-5


Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 16:33 utc | 44

Who did the map? Excellent btw.

Posted by: Barovsky | Jan 30 2020 16:34 utc | 45

Bibi just wanted to familiarize himself with the concept of a pardon.

Posted by: Peter | Jan 30 2020 16:36 utc | 46

Yiddish is a Slavic language which adopted words from German due to the users' migration to German speaking areas.

English adopted thousands of Hindi words due to the users' colonizing of South Asia.

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 16:36 utc | 47

Setting aside for a moment the analysis of language, which I solidly support (I know actually quite a bit about English and how it came to be, and it is interesting to hear others view, though these seem often somewhat sarcastic or pedantic). But setting this aside, I will here re-define... nazi is nazi because of two qualities. they speak the cant and they do the crimes. The specific dialect is interesting, adds nuance, but not essential.

This might be named the "Forrest Gump Definition of nazi" nazi is as nazi does. You can see it miles away.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 16:45 utc | 48

Not to put too fine a point, but the native Americans didn't see land as a possession in the same way as the invading Europeans did. Absolutely they staked out claims to the area in which the various tribes lived, and fount to take or defend as tribal interactions happened all over the globe.

Empires since time immemorial operated on the "Hi, we own you" theory of expansion (a nod to comedian Dave Barry), often on the strength of some monarch, church or other authority figure (often illegitimate) laying claim to lands and peoples well beyond their tribal, cultural or sovereign limits. Rome nearly perfected the model, but faced the same "reach exceeding grasp" as the US/ZATO faces.

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 16:45 utc | 49

millions of Christians believe God gave Palestine to the Jews...


Not real christians but made up ones like ISIS.. Although now israel pops up in the bible while decades ago that was not a word that went with the bible..

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Jan 30 2020 16:50 utc | 50

@30 Hoarsewhisperer:

Putin has no problem disrespecting Polish leaders, so it's not like he won't do it. He and Netanyahu's relationship is uncomfortably close, so much so that it's become a serious question whether or not it contributes to the Israelis feeling comfortable bombing Syria whenever they wish.

Posted by: SharonM | Jan 30 2020 17:02 utc | 51

Bardi@18

I supoose that, in a sense, Trump, incompetent and aggressive is an asset to Putin. And everyone else, since his actions are accelerating imperial decline.
But that's not what you meant is it? You were regurgitating the Clinton DNC propaganda like a five year old.

Hoarsewhisperer@30

I think that you are right: the traditional zionist claim to be interested in a fair compromise and a settlement leading to peace and harmony has become threadbare to the point of transparency.
It is now clear that Israel itself is a threat to peace and cannot be allowed to continue to exist in anything like its present form.
And if the rest of the Levant and Arabia does not realise that, after the west bank comes south Lebanon, followed by Jordan, preceded by the Golan (rhymes with stolen) all the way until the oil is within view, then they are blind.
Israel is the Empire's stalking horse, hiding its imperialist appetites for plunder and conquest under the quaint mumbo-jumbo of ethno-nationalism (minus both ethnos and nation) and 'Holocaust' remembrance.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 30 2020 17:07 utc | 52

@Realist: without addressing the other comments here, Yiddish is a high German dialect that picked up some Slavic words due to Yiddish speakers moving into Slavic areas.

A German speaker can generally read Yiddish that has been transliterated into the Latin alphabet. A speaker of a Slavic language would not be able to do so, whether transliterated into Cyrillic or Latin alphabet.

Posted by: Sid Finster | Jan 30 2020 17:10 utc | 53

A P | Jan 30 2020 16:45 utc | 49 native's view of land same?

It may be that there's a false assumption implied. There was no "they", it was heterogeneous, a multitude of Cultures and Nations. I have read that the views were substantially different. The East Coast natives had views that, they say, influenced the Europeans' view of government. The Nations further South were another matter, and as we view into Central America we see less democratic Nations, and West yet more differences. They say that these cultural aspects are guided by geography and climate, in part...

But this is an entirely amateur view from self-guided reading.
When I see the Siberian native peoples Sleboda puts up sometimes I myself see almost Navajo or Hopi people, so possibly one might examine the ideas Siberian Natives hold as a source of clues about the now shattered American Red Indians' view.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 17:12 utc | 54

I assume that American Indians have already agreed to the North American Peace Plan (NAPP)so they can now go ahead and take 30% of the land that the NAPP grants them - just as with the Trump-Jared Plan to settle the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.

Will homes of White Americans that disagree be bulldozed like the Israelis do to Palestinians?

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 30 2020 17:14 utc | 55

Posted by: Florin | Jan 30 2020 12:11 utc | 3
And why not use their real name when we are at it...
They are pharisees (and scribes), they are THE tribe that chose to abandon the light and follow in their fathers footsteps.
There is a reason that the jewish library is a treasure throve of information,, in the US and nato sphere talmud is a rayzizz conspiracy. In the occupied territories of Palestine tho, it is the law and revered.
JL is one of the best locations for true info about the pharisees...

Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 30 2020 17:24 utc | 56

I remember hearing the economist Yanis Varoufakis describe Theresa May's brexit deal, and the best way he could describe it in order to convey how bad it was was to call it a deal only signed by a defeated nation in war. What words can be used to describe this "deal"? I don't think even a defeated nation would sign such a thing. Unless this was the bronze age perhaps. This is more like the international formalization of Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing program

Posted by: twhstmmwmaf | Jan 30 2020 17:30 utc | 57

An excerpt from https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/165247/yiddish-ashkenazi-woodworth

The title of Paul Wexler’s detailed study, The Ashkenazic Jews: A SlavoTurkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity, is not shy about his claim: Yiddish has Slavic grammar, syntax, morphemes, phonemes, and lexicon, with a smaller input from Turkic. Wexler made the case that Yiddish is a “relexification”—a massive borrowing of Germanic words onto a basically Slavic structure, as opposed to Weinreich’s view that Slavic words were added to a Germanic structure. Wexler’s claim applies not only to the language: “The bulk of their [Ashkenazi Jewish] religious practices and folkways also prove to be of Slavic origin” and thus “the Ashkenazic [sic] Jews may be in the main ethnic Slavs”—Wexler added his own italics, in case readers should not get the point. Wexler’s preferred term for modern Judaism was “Judaized pagano-Christianity,” though he used the term rarely on the grounds that it was too cumbersome.

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 17:34 utc | 58

: twhstmmwmaf | Jan 30 2020 17:30 utc | 57 (deal)

Deals, "contracts" exist only when all parties have more or less approximately equal standing in Power, and willingly agree, otherwise the "deal" is a surrender under duress.

A deal is not a deal under duress, it's a Strategy to mitigate defeat so you can fight later.

Sun Tsu and Mao speak to the Strategy, I think.

I recall Varoufakis saying as you said. He's right.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 17:38 utc | 59

I don't see any need to stop using "zionism" or "antisemitism." Both words are becoming disreputable by their misuse by the propagandists, much like "neocon" has become an epithet. Even the neocons try to avoid that descriptor now.

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Jan 30 2020 17:49 utc | 60

reply to Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 15:21 utc | 24

And the climate lunacy has come to Massachusetts.
Residents will be taxed if the electricity they use is not generated by wind or solar, yet the company that has the manopoly on electric power in Massachusetts is not compliant, yet will not be taxed, only the users will.
There is far more to the pending Climate bills, several of which will be voted on today.
www.votervoice.net/MASSFISCAL/Campaigns/70606/Respond

Posted by: frances | Jan 30 2020 17:55 utc | 61

In response to Vig | Jan 30 2020 16:04 utc | 34

Herzl, Jabotinsky and the other founders of modern Zionism ran around the same intellectual circles (1880's-1890's) as those thinkers whose writings both spawned German Nationalism and its freakish child Nazism.. Herzl was especially deeply steeped in the atmosphere of German nationalism and it is from this viewpoint and framework it was a natural progression that he (and many others) would see the need for some kind of Jewish ethnonationalism -- especially given the amount of poop jews were being forced to eat as a matter of course throughout their history.

So for Vig to suggest that it be preposterous to suppose that modern extreme political Zionism could not have (nor has not) metamorphosed into an ideology that rhymes with Nazism is disingenuous. The intellectual DNA for Zionism indeed came directly from German nationalist rhetoric.

Are you being genuinely naive or is this some kind of misdirection?

Plus, insulting people's intelligence just discredits whatever debatable position you're trying to uphold. This isn't Zerohedge.

Posted by: Norogene | Jan 30 2020 17:58 utc | 62

A bit off-topic but seems that may be US will be Iraq, but who remains is NATO:

https://middle-east-online.com/en/iraq-considers-nato-role-instead-us-led-coalition

So it is a matter of change the flag in the US bases and all will be OK?

Posted by: DFC | Jan 30 2020 18:02 utc | 63

To Walter 54: I have never heard that at the time of the first Europeans arrived in North America that the Aboriginals had a formal land-ownership system as found in Europe or elsewhere. While there were probably less-formal arrangements between various tribes as to which tribes'/confederations "rights" predominated, no title deeds or the like were documented where specific bits of land passed between individuals. The tribe "owned" the lands/resources in question and saw it more as what we would now call stewardship.

The Grand River lands (6 miles on either side of the river, from Lake Erie to the source) were not deeded to Joseph Brant, it was to the tribes of the Six Nations.

FYI, I live in Ontario and regularly travel the roads beside the Grand, and grew up with both status and non-status native individuals/families. Not directly involved myself, but these issues have been a constant background in my life and those around me.

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 18:11 utc | 65

@DFC #63

Iraq has formed a committee to over see ALL forces leave within 3 months and has informed the NATO nations that includes them.

Posted by: BraveNewWorld | Jan 30 2020 18:17 utc | 66

Here a view by someone who since his stance against the Iraq war as an UN inspector I respect very much
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/479422-israel-palestine-deal-ultimatum/


Trump and his Israeli partners are betting on Palestine's Arab friends to recognize the finality of the window of opportunity that has presented itself and prevail upon the Palestinian people to act accordingly. For Israel, a rejection of this ultimatum benefits them far more than any Palestinian acceptance. This fact, more than anything else, opens the door to the possibility that the Palestinians can be dissuaded from their current hardline position rejecting the deal.

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Posted by: Peter | Jan 30 2020 18:19 utc | 67

The problem with continuing to use Zionism and antisemitism is because those terms have been corrupted and confused to the point they mean little beyond their wide pejorative application. Kinda like "left" and "right" when describing the Reps and Dems... Sanders is a "socialist"? Spare us all that idiocy.

There can be little mistaking what Jewish ethnonationalism or Judeophobia means. Using these terms would force those who use them for "cover" out into the light for all to see, and not just here at MoA.

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 18:21 utc | 68

To Brave New World 66:

Re: US/ZATO out of Iraq in 3 months.

Link please.

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 18:25 utc | 69

Bubbles @ 32

Thanks for additional input

Frances @ 61
All foisted on us by the UN agenda and
people are too busy texting, couching and on Twitter/Facebook to attend town meetings. At Town Meetings their voices will be heard.
The unintended consequences of excess garbage tax will be littering...take the bags to the highways.

No one has explained how the "green" carbon credits and carbon tax mitigate, decrease or stop "Climate Change" global warming. A tax designed to fill the coffers of pirate trillionaires.

@ JR 64
Trump's deal of the century is DOA.

United Nations says committed to pre-1967 borders, stresses settlements illegal
Responding to Trump proposal, secretary general says peace attainable based on UN resolutions, international law and bilateral agreements

and Trump's allies -

Germany, EU only a negotiated two-state -solutions will do LINK


Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 18:30 utc | 70

Extremely informative article about Putin - concentrating on his leadership style and his character: https://russialist.org/sharon-tennison-shake-up-in-the-kremlin-putin-selects-a-new-leader.

Posted by: moe | Jan 30 2020 18:33 utc | 71

Posted by: Peter | Jan 30 2020 18:19 utc | 67

The so called deal makes me think of a mobster saying Nice home you have there, be a shame if something happened to it.

Watch this interview with Kushner, if you can stand it, and see what comes to mind.

https://twitter.com/BradCabana/status/1222299392574537730

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 18:37 utc | 72

@41 If Walter means English as spoken in England i.e Land of the Angles he is correct about its Germanic origin. Of course the English language evolved a lot since then.

Posted by: dh | Jan 30 2020 18:39 utc | 73

: A P | Jan 30 2020 18:11 utc | 65

Brother, I think you have misunderstood what I wrote. Take a careful reading, please.

I said, and intended to say, that the Natives' influenced the invaders views of government. Not about land. About government. Jefferson's ideas, in particular were said to have been so influenced. Peace, Brother. I expect that in all other respect you are correct, I am naive in most aspects other than as I have said. "We" shot 'em, but "their" ideas "corrupted" Jefferson.

As a young man I too had truck with the Native Nations, mostly Zuni, Navajo, and Hopi. I even learned a little Navajo while I lived in a mud hogan near Oljato in an embarrassing "field study". One of their especial bitches about the round eyes was fences... that pretty much says one part of "Navajo Views of Land Ownership and Transfer", which a 4th year anthropology student might write. The other part? "Navajo" means "enemy"... Get it?

Nothing's yerz unless ya fight fer it.

That's one Native Nation. But they're all unique, and slaughtered.

It's a pirate empire...and a pirate language. Pity. All the Best amigo. Wally

Best, Wally

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 18:44 utc | 74

I think ethnosupremacist is a more accurate term because the ambitions of Zionism are global in nature, not by any means tethered to Israel. That's just where they want their headquarters from which they'll rule over all of humanity.

Posted by: Information_Agen | Jan 30 2020 18:59 utc | 75

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 18:44 utc | 74

The word "Anasazi" means enemy and is unwittingly used as an insult to Native Americans in the area.

https://www.hcn.org/issues/307/15815

I'll go an have my tea now.

Posted by: Jayne | Jan 30 2020 19:01 utc | 76

To Walter 74:

AH, the US aboriginal situation is far different than in Canada. The few significant incidents in my lifetime (Oka, Ipperwash, Caledonia for example) were about issues with the federal/provincial gov'ts not honouring treaties or allowing well-placed individuals to play fast-and-loose regarding such, not so much about small-tract private land owners. Still seriously flawed, but on the whole, it's a multicultural vs. melting pot format up here now.

Fences? From what I've read, not restricted to aboriginal rights in the US, same problem between the white ranchers, sheep owners and later settlers, no aboriginals involved in most of that. A latter-day Enclosures issue.

Posted by: A P | Jan 30 2020 19:02 utc | 77

How does Putin disrespect Polish officials? By telling the truth about them. At least the Israeli's know who liberated Auschwitz.

Posted by: Nemo | Jan 30 2020 19:07 utc | 78

@ b - great map to sum it up!!!

@ florin... good comment.. however, life moves on and people use the words and etc they use to communicate even if not as accurate..

Posted by: james | Jan 30 2020 19:14 utc | 79

Jayne | Jan 30 2020 19:01 utc | 76

either memory or mis informed, I was repeating Kurt Johnson's language lecture from 1965...and lost my notes. Thank You Kindly.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 19:16 utc | 80

: A P | Jan 30 2020 19:02 utc | 77 fence

Yeah. The Navajo I lived with hated fences, saw them as a white man's corrupt practice, they were, I thought, morally offended by fences.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 30 2020 19:18 utc | 81

Kushner lost his hymnal. Contradicts Bibi.

Most see this deal as cover for Israel's annexation of Occupied Palestine. The deal was made public yesterday. Bibi rushed home today for the vote on Sunday to annex the Jordan Valley and West Bank Settlements. This agreement was constructed for the occupiers and negotiations did not include proprietors of the land.
Read on it is for the sole benefit of Israel.
Why the rush?
Kushner said not so soon...wait a month. but in Israel ......


“We have been working on this for three years, hundreds of hours, to bring the best agreement in Israel,” the source noted, adding that Trump’s move to recognize the application of Israeli law to the Jordan Valley, the Northern Dead Sea, Judea and Samaria was “a huge thing” and an undeniable success for Israel.

The source clarified that the US side had preferred an Israeli annexation of these territories “all at once” instead of a slice-by-slice approach, calling this a “technical problem” but emphasizing that there was “no argument about the essence” of the matter.[.]

Well, King Donald Trump giveth. The same king who abrogates international treaties has no respect for the rights of others.

Ok btw. Mike Bloomberg is not really running a campaign to be president. He said, "I am spending my money to get rid of Trump." Thing is whoever comes after must be approved by the landlords.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 30 2020 19:30 utc | 82

Long ago I wrote that Zionists were the planet's most virulent anti-semites and were 100% racist in that regard. Nothing has really changed in the 40+ years since. Alan Hart's three volumes documenting Zionism: Real Enemy of the Jews take awhile to get through but are well worth the effort if one really wants to know.

There are two important aspects of Judaism I believe are essential and shared with my students. First is all land and people are the property of god. Second is only god can provide a homeland for his people--they are not allowed to take it for themselves. Those are the two main reasons why you see Orthodox Jews burning the Israeli flag and saying Zionistan is an abomination and its creation goes against god's will.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 19:30 utc | 83

Human. Beings. Doing Earth Life. There is no separation in our species, except that, a disconnect occurred. Who, When, What, Where, and How did the disconnect become an all powerful power? Acting as though the species Human isn't. The tap root "dis~ease" (disconnect) must be eradicated/ healed/ rejoining our species into oneness, again. Top~bottom junk yard dogs is barbaric.

Posted by: Biloximarxkelly | Jan 30 2020 19:30 utc | 84

charlie chan says "Deal of the Century"..... for who?

Posted by: charliechan | Jan 30 2020 19:36 utc | 85

Opening paragraphs from https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/shocking-story-israel-disappeared-babies-160803081117881.html

Tel Aviv - For nearly 40 years, everything about Gil Grunbaum's life was a lie, including his name.

He was not, as he had always assumed, the only son of wealthy Holocaust survivors who owned a baby garments factory near Tel Aviv. Grunbaum had been stolen from his mother by doctors at a hospital in northern Israel in 1956, moments after she gave birth.

His biological parents - recent immigrants to Israel from Tunisia - were told their child had died during delivery. They were sent home without a death certificate and denied the chance to see their baby's body or a grave.

Despite his darker looks, it never occurred to Grunbaum that the parents who raised him were not biologically related to him. Now aged 60, he says the discovery was "the most shocking moment imaginable. Everyone I loved - my parents, aunts, uncles and cousins - had been deceiving me for decades."

Posted by: Realist | Jan 30 2020 19:41 utc | 86

Petri Krohn @ 8 summed it up quite succinctly by saying; "It is not a two state solution but apartheid. A legal cover for occupation."

Impressive, that so many here, see through the charade going on with the "new peace plan" in Palestine.

I only wish this exact discussion could take place in the U$A's MSM.

Mimmicks the treatment we, in the U$A, imposed on our native peoples. Herded onto reservations, so we could more easily commit genocide against them...

Posted by: ben | Jan 30 2020 19:42 utc | 87

@ moe | Jan 30 2020 18:33 utc | 71

Thank you for the informative article by Sharon Tennison, about Putin.

Those who find it interesting and/or informative will also be interested in this much earlier, much more detailed article that she wrote six years ago, about her initial and considerable interactions with him when he was a civil-servant bureaucrat in St Petersbug in the 90s.
http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/04/russia-report-putin-.html

I wholeheartedly recommend this linked article (along with the one from Moe, above), and am sure that anyone reading it will find it informative and a very helpful tool with regard to understanding Putin's actions in today's world.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 30 2020 20:01 utc | 88

Posted by: charliechan | Jan 30 2020 19:36 utc | 85

An excellent question, "who benefits", clearly it's not everybody. "Profitable for whom", "rights for whom", "safe for whom", "justice for whom". If the answer is not "everybody", it's bullshit. What's good for corporations is not what is good for people. We are infested with economic parasites who blather on about how they are taking "care" of us and giving us "choices".

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 30 2020 20:01 utc | 89

" Second is only god can provide a homeland for his people--they are not allowed to take it for themselves. "

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 19:30 utc | 83


Your take on this and have you seen it before?

"Actually if you read Genesis Exodus and Deuteronomy in Hebrew -- as I do -- you see that God did not "give" Israel to the Jews/Israelites. We as Jews are raised with the creed that "God gave us the land of Israel" in Genesis -- and that ethnically 'we are the chosen people." But actually -- and I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, I checked my reading with major scholars and they confirmed it -- actually God's "covenant" in Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING. "

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author/posts/okay-so-i-was-challenged-below-read-the-bible-god-gave-the-land-of-israel-to-the/10152548360004476/

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 20:03 utc | 90

Looks like all the emphasis is on a very negative vision, the dystopia that's Occupied Palestine.

Here's a positive vision, one that's actually a subset of a much larger positive vision: "Healthy China 2030 (from vision to action)". It's interesting to note that this vision's components were generated at Ottawa:

"Thirty years ago, the Ottawa Charter for Health Promotion recognized the need to enable people to increase control over and to improve their health and well-being by ensuring healthier, sustainable environments where people live, work, study and play. Social justice and equity were highlighted as core foundations for health, and there was agreement that health promotion is not simply the responsibility of the health sector."

Wow! Given what's said today, that's a pretty radical vision. It inspired,

"The slogan: 'Health for All and All for Health' captures the commitment to leave no one behind and to involve all actors in a new global partnership to achieve this transformative Agenda."

But as I said, that's merely a subset of the larger vision which are the 2030 Sustainable Development Goals. It's been about a year since I talked about and linked to them in discussing China's own development goals within the UN's template. The #1 Goal is No Poverty. Gee, how's the Outlaw US Empire doing on that one? #2 is Zero Hunger. There're 17 Goals in total. I know both Russia and China are working very hard to accomplish what they see as their national priorities within that overall set. But within many Neoliberal strangled nations, there's not even any mention of this important global program. Just more dystopian visions is all I see being articulated, although to their credit both Sanders and Gabbard have tried to inspire their followers with their positive visions of what's possible.

Why did Pompeo today name China's Communist Party as the world's biggest threat? IMO, it's precisely because the Chinese aim to accomplish their goals that will leave the Outlaw US Empire looking like a backwards hayseed nation of obese just-can't-doers to proclaim for themselves the mantel of Can-Doers proud innovators and members of a truly Great Society--remember that program initiated by LBJ in 1964 and its partner the War on Poverty? Both killed by the Vietnam War and never resurrected since. Bernie remembers; Walter remembers; millions of others remember the dashed vision that instead turned into a nightmare. Time to wakeup and look at what China's done and understand how!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 20:09 utc | 91

Great plan.Also has the backing of myself.Jerusalem belongs to israel.Undivided and open to all 3 relegions.
In the absence of hate hope grows.

Posted by: mcohen | Jan 30 2020 20:15 utc | 92

Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 20:03 utc | 90

So, if it's not about "Ethnicity" (defined by whom?) and it's not about a "Contract" and if it's really not about the "Land" -- then where does that take us next...? We then have to take a deep breath step back -- try and think outside the BOX and observe how they are behaving.... and then to really observe WHO is directing this behavior. Not all Jews are willingly backing this "Vision" and I'm really wondering whether we should really be calling those that are calling the shots even "Zionists" as I think their MO is so much broader than just Israel. Some Jews even self-proclaimed Jews are probably ignorant to what they really are supporting.

Posted by: Jayne | Jan 30 2020 20:16 utc | 93

"Jerusalem belongs to israel."

Posted by: mcohen | Jan 30 2020 20:15 utc | 92


Wouldn't you have to establish who Israel "belongs to" first?


"Again and again in the "covenant" language He never says: "I will give you, ethnic Israelites, the land of Israel." Rather He says something far more radical - far more subversive -- far more Godlike in my view. He says: IF you visit those imprisoned...act mercifully to the widow and the orphan...welcome the stranger in your midst...tend the sick...do justice and love mercy ....and perform various other tasks...THEN YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE AND THIS LAND WILL BE YOUR LAND. So "my people" is not ethnic -- it is transactional. "

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author/posts/okay-so-i-was-challenged-below-read-the-bible-god-gave-the-land-of-israel-to-the/10152548360004476/


I don't engage in theological discussion because I don't have the depth of knowledge necessary, but the above in it's entirely seems pretty straightforward.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 20:24 utc | 94

Bubbles @90--

Yes. The rabbi Jesus of Nazareth's mission/vision was to reinstall Mosaic Law while calling out those proclaiming themselves to be Jews yet not following the Law heretics. That didn't make him popular with the Pharisees--the Elite--but it did endear him to the commonfolk who protected him until they couldn't. He was born and grew of age at a very desperate time many thought were the End Days, the Apocalypse. But he didn't attempt to create a new religion or make himself the one to be worshiped. In essence, he was quite conservative yet radical--a very different type of Neocon. IMO, his apotheosis is something he'd abhor as blasphemy. Yes, as a true Jew, he saw himself as belonging to god, not the son of god, the appellation applied to him long after his murder by the Romans and Pharisees. Yes, Jews killed Jesus, but only the elite who in point-of-fact weren't Jews at all; they were heretics or pagans or whatever you'd like to name them. And that really mimics the current situation where you have Zionists masquerading as Jews greatly endangering a small core of genuine Jews, both in Palestine and Iran.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 20:32 utc | 95

Bubbles@94

Those who say the "land of Canaan" is a piece of dirt where ever it may be, know nothing of the land of Canaan. Exile is the way of Man, only God can lead Man out of Exile, to the land of Canaan. Zionists are blasphemists of the Law of the Torah.

If you are not aware of the Naturei Karta, look them up.

Posted by: donten | Jan 30 2020 20:38 utc | 96

"as I think their MO is so much broader than just Israel."

Posted by: Jayne | Jan 30 2020 20:16 utc | 93


I think you are definitely onto something there. As someone posted previously, it's like an International Operations HQ where they can make their own rules and pick and choose which International rules they like and will respect. All of which is subject to change from time to time.

As I posted earlier in this thread in response to criticism of Putin's relationship with Israel, Capt Obvious says Israel isn't a standalone problem. I expect Mr. Putin and his advisors know the complexities far better than most.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 20:39 utc | 97

Bubbles @94--

Yes, essentially: Behave properly and you will be rewarded. But they didn't behave properly. Moses breaking of the Tablets was the message that the people had already broken god's covenant even before hearing it, and their fate was to be globally scattered. Note Mosaic Law still isn't observed within Occupied Palestine, and the covenant remains broken. IMO, the only way an actual Israel will arise is well after Palestine becomes unoccupied with Israel becoming a province within that entity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 20:46 utc | 98

The link posted by comment 67 says it all.

Posted by: mcohen | Jan 30 2020 20:54 utc | 99

"they were heretics or pagans or whatever you'd like to name them."
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2020 20:32 utc | 95

Would the term Money Changers suffice? They seem to endure all the trials and tribulations of history.

Thanks for your input, I'm a little better informed than I was before. :) You didn't say if you have read that before tho.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 30 2020 20:54 utc | 100

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