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January 04, 2020

The Revenge For The Assassination Of Qassem Soleimani

The Trump administration is telling fairytales about its murder of Major General Qassem Soleimani. He was not planing any "imminent attacks" on the U.S. or its interests in Iraq. Reports which claim that while calling Katyusha rockets "sophisticated weapons" can obviously be ignored. In no way was Soleimani a legitimate target for a U.S. attack. No Orwellian State Department briefing can change that.

Fact is that Trump is following the plan of the Foundation of the Defense of Democracy (FDD) which was originally founded as EMET (Hebrew for "truth"), "to provide education to enhance Israel’s image in North America." Undercover video from Al Jazeerah caught the Israeli ex-intel official Sima Vakhnin-Gil in 2017 saying "We have FDD" when she was asked how Israel lobbies for its interests.

Dan Cohen @dancohen3000 - 5:23 UTC · Jan 4, 2020
FDD is an Israeli government front group. Trump mega donor Bernard “Iran is the devil” Marcus pays 1/3 of its budget. FDD advisor Richard Goldberg was appointed to National Security Council to push for attacking Iran. FDD continued to pay his salary.

FDD was tasked by Israel to instigate a U.S. war on Iran. Following FDD's plans Trump and his advisors are trying to provoke Iran to retaliate in a way that allows them to launch such a war.

There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations.

The U.S. attack:

Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.

The Iranian retribution:

Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what became known as the Lockerbie bombing.

The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The murder of the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655 and the retribution for it were five and a half month apart. This gives us a hint of how long it might take for Iran to prepare the retribution for the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani. There is also the political calender that has to be considered. If an Iranian revenge act is of a kind that could help Trump to get reelected it must wait until after the U.S. election. If the revenge act is of a kind that could hurt Trump's poll numbers it must come during the last few months of the campaign.

We will know that it has happened when this flag comes down:

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SIFFAT ZAHRA @SiffatZahra - 10:52 UTC · Jan 4, 2020
First Time In The History, Red Flag Unfurled Over The Holy Dome Of Jamkarān Mosque, Qom Iran.
Red Flag: A Symbol Of Severe Battle To Come.
Barzan Sadiq @BarzanSadiq - 12:32 UTC · Jan 4, 2020
A red flag unfurled above the minarets of a Mosque in the #Qom. in Arabic were the words: "Those who want to avenge the blood of #Hussein." Red flags in Shiite tradition symbolize both blood spilled unjustly and serve as a call to avenge a person who is slain.
Sara_Haj 🇱🇧 @Sara_Haj - 12:45 UTC · Jan 4, 2020
It is a #Shia thing for those who understand our ideology & history, thus our commitment, patience & persistence!
The red flag was raised over Jamkaran mosque in #Qom yesterday & it won't be taken down until revenge is fulfilled. #Soleimani

Iran has to take revenge for the outrageous assassination of Soleimani to prevent future assassinations of a similar kind. The U.S. broke the rules when it killed an active commander of another country outside of a declared war. New rules must now be established to regain a balance.

Iran will likely prepare multiple venues and methods for retribution. It might execute only one or several of those. The targets will be of at least equal size and symbolic importance (slow loading but excellent) as Soleimani. The head of the CIA or Vice President Pence would probably be adequate targets. But they are likely too well protected to be accessible. The sinking of a large U.S. combat ship will also be considered. There are a number of other possibilities for sufficient 'surprises'.

The murder of Soleimani was not the only message Trump sent to Tehran:

Hala Jaber @HalaJaber- 21:13 UTC · Jan 3, 2020
.31/ #Trump’s letter to #Iran, delivered earlier today via the #Swiss embassy in #Tehran (the representative of #US interests in Iran) included a call for calm & non-escalation & offered incentives, a former Iranian diplomat told @AlMayadeenLive
.32/ #Tehran regarded #Trump’s requests as “childish behaviour.” An appropriate written response, to the American message, was sent back via the Swiss embassy.
.33/ #Tehran apparently refused to receive a second letter, also from #Trump & sent with an Arab mediator who arrived to Iran this morning, Musawi told @AlMayadeenLive
.34/ The former Iranian diplomat, Amir Musawi, also told @AlMayadeenLive that the ”surprises” will become apparent in “Iran’s deterrent reprisals.” “Americans should prepare for surprises, in response to the assassination of General #Soleimani & #AlMohandis.”

Trump himself offered up targets:

Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai - 14:33 UTC · Jan 4, 2020
#US asked #Iran, according to sources in #Tehran, to limit its response to the assassination of Brigadier General #QassemSoleimani to a "similar response".
This means when confirmed, @realDonaldTrump is offering to Iran the life of a US four-star general.

#US asked #Qatar to mediate w/ #Iran over the retaliation to the assassination of #QassemSoleimani. Deputy PM/ FM Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani met with his counterpart Javad Zarif and offered "nuclear deal" and lifting sanctions in exchange of no response.

For Donald Trump everything is just a deal. But it is obvious that Iran will reject all such offers. It can not ideologically justify abstaining from revenge for its most prominent martyr in exchange for some material benefit. Trump will not get this but for Iran it is simply unthinkable and impossible.

Iran's revenge act can not be done within U.S. borders. That would be interpreted as a direct attack and could be used as a pretext for war. Iran will also want to have some plausible deniability for whatever happens. It must therefore exclude incidents in the Persian Gulf or near its shore. East Asia would be the preferable venue. Like it did in the Lockerbie case Iran is likely to use cutouts to execute its plans.

Soleimani's main task was to build and support external groups that are able to resist their local enemies as well as able to act on behalf of Iran. He excelled in his job for over 20 years. Iran has now many friends who it can ask to execute whatever it decides should be done.

Soleimani was also a commander who could restrict the actions of the groups he supervised through his personal relations with them. That he is no longer able to do so increases the risk that some of those groups and fighters will take their own measures to exact revenge for his death. It could create problems if any such act is falsely attributed to Iran.

The U.S. did not murder only Qassem Soleimani. On December 29 it also killed 31 Iraqi government forces. Five days later it killed Soleimani and the Deputy Commander of the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF/PMU/Hashed al-Shabi) and leader of Kata'ib Hizbollah Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. There were also four IRGC and four Kata'ib Hizbollah men who were killed while accompanying their leaders. The PMU are under direct command of the Iraqi Prime Minister. They are official Iraqi defense forces who defeated ISIS after a bloody war. Their murder demands that their government acts against the perpetrators.

Several of the Shia PMU groups have already declared that they will do whatever they can to evict the U.S. military from Iraqi soil. Some 5,000 U.S. and other NATO forces are in Iraq to train Iraqi government troops. They live on the same bases as Iraqi army troops and PMU groups who their commander in chief calls Iran supported terrorists while he is killing their leaders.

Today they finally recognized that this might be a problem. This morning their U.S. command ordered a halt of all training activities. The Iraqi government also issued an order that, for the time being, no further U.S. operation may take place in Iraq. Tomorrow the Iraqi parliament will meet to consult over a law that would evict all U.S. troops. There is currently some disunity within the Shia majority in the parliament. Should it fail to evict the U.S. the Shia PMU groups will act on their own. Not because of Soleimani or Iran, but because their comrades and leaders were killed. They will attack the U.S. military wherever they can. The situation for the U.S. in Iraq would then soon become untenable. 

Iraq will continue to need capable foreign troops to train its still feeble army. It should ask Russia and China to provide them.

The removal of U.S. forces from Iraq will be the first act of revenge for Qassem Soleimani's death. More will follow in due time and with the appropriate severity.

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re: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 15:17 utc @ 286

"I remember Ruppert! His was one of the first "alternative" blogs I became aware of. What happened to him? How did he die?"
Mike committed suicide(a revolver) according to the police report, and friends .
Mike was, according to himself, 'hearing strange voices & thoughts', which he said was unbearable.
How do I know this?
Well, I participated in a live 'world-wide' Skype/internet vigil, held by his closest friends a few days after his passing.
This is what Mike's closet friends said.

You've surely heard about...*Voice to Skull Technology* employed by the tptb.
It's quite old tech infact.
I'm convinced it was that.

"The 99th Monkey lived".
How do I know this?
Because, I'm the 100th monkey.
RIP Mike.

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 5 2020 16:00 utc | 301

@Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 15:33 utc | 294

Aaah...perhaps that is it. Germany is subjugated and b posts from Germany.

Walter made something click when he said "public secret".
@Posted by: Walter | Jan 5 2020 15:23 utc | 289

But to be brief, the connections between zionists (not all are Jews) and the nazis (in 1940 Berlin there were Jewish nazis) are a public secret. Available for anybody to know.

"public secret" == "window of discourse" == Overton Window

I had wondered whether I had chanced upon b's Overton Window.

In my experience, when I have talked about this subject in private conversation
I encountered disbelief..."if this were true I would already know about it".
Even people that are alert to the MSM falsehoods, the government lying, fall victim to
believing that they would have already heard about this if it were true.

So now I think I understand and Really??
has provided the answer.

Posted by: librul | Jan 5 2020 16:07 utc | 302

@ Daniel Lennon

Your thoughts would be true if the man the US/Israel bombed was a threat to the US, or was actively fighting against the US. He was not. He was fighting against, The Islamic State. A group, the US government, claims to be against, though their actions would indicate that this is not exactly true. His group(s) had not started to try to push the US troops out of the Syrian oil fields, yet.

Simply put, this was a murder. Soleimani was not fighting the US and had been working with the US in the destruction of so-called ISIS. There are photos of him with US commanders from a few years back. Military personnel can be murdered, especially when they are killed by those not at war with them and we are not in a direct war with them.

If the US government suddenly killed a General in the Australian military by an American drone attack, would you claim it wasn't murdered just because they were working in the military?

Posted by: Amy | Jan 5 2020 16:09 utc | 303

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 5 2020 16:00 utc | 299

I didn't know the man but he gave me a sense that he cared. He cared about his country and thought he could help. He paid the ultimate price. This guy for me deserves the word Hero. A word that has been misused far far too often in US MSM.

Posted by: Tom | Jan 5 2020 16:12 utc | 304

@Shmoe #297
Check your math. If the US is importing 1 million bpd - that still means a bit under 19 million bpd of increased fracking oil revenues. This more than offsets the increased cost - which is mostly paid by California anyway (and thus a net win for the Trump presidency).

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 5 2020 16:12 utc | 305

@Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 15:33 utc | 294

Aaah...perhaps that is it. Germany is subjugated and b posts from Germany.

No kidding !!! Not a good place to explore history under a microscope. Sad because emet is emet :-)

Posted by: denk | Jan 5 2020 15:33 utc | 295
Thanks denk !!!

Posted by: Tom | Jan 5 2020 16:19 utc | 306

Veritas X- | Jan 5 2020 16:00 utc | 299

Yes, they did experiments with microwaves, DARPA maybe, and yes, people can "hear" numbers being counted, or words... And there are drugs that may combine or even stand alone to "induce psychosis". see search "Articles by Allan H. Frey

Rupert deduced that the end game is to murder most of the global population, if my memory of reading his book is right.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 5 2020 16:24 utc | 307

it's pretty astonishing that they've raised the blood-red flag over the Jamkaran mosque for the first time since it was built over a thousand years ago.

i suppose its one of those 'cultural targets' that Trump was talking about.

Posted by: john | Jan 5 2020 16:36 utc | 308

The flag say this matter is 100% serious and 100% "on". Press TV is running some good commentary.

In terms of the game, there's blood in the water man. On YT there's an example...with Walter, the other Walter...keep cool.

see The Big Lebowski - You're Entering a World of Pain

Now then, that Walter is a stooge and doesn't know it. He's simply being used. Nevertheless the scene is useful and illustrating.

When Walter's got that .45 hammmerback, he owns "Smokey". Iran's got the hammer back. They mean business.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 5 2020 16:47 utc | 309

Elijah Magnier reports on the speeches, statements, and actions taken at today's meeting of the Iraqi parliament.

PM Mahdi told assembled parliament that Gen Soleimani was in Bagdhad at his invitation as part of his attempt to mediate between the USA and Iran, that he and Gen Soleimani were scheduled to meet the day following his arrival in Bagdhad, and that Gen Soleimani was carrying a note from Tehran to be delivered to him.

This explains the high level delegation sent to the airport to meet and escort Gen Soleimani, members of which were killed with him, and explains the presence of high level IRGC officials also killed with him.

This specifically means the US killed an envoy from the Iranian Government, while he was engaged in a mission to mediate between his country and the US.

No wonder, Zarif, and Kahmeni, as well as the entire Iranian leadership are livid.


Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 5 2020 16:58 utc | 310

Magnier also reports that the Iraqi parliament unanimously voted to remove all foreign forces from the country, and to deny use of Iraqi airspace to all foreign forces, effective immediately.


Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 5 2020 17:02 utc | 311

i can't imagine iran wanting to negotiate with the usa... one would have to be brain dead to want to negotiate with the usa...

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2020 17:11 utc | 312

Influential Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr stated in a letter that Iraq should go further and shut down the US embassy.

ain't that the truth... having a monstrous 'fuck you' symbol in the center of baghdad never made sense to me either...

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2020 17:13 utc | 313

@ A User 230

Unfortunately opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has them, including you.

If you had bothered to take a look at my previous posts, you would have seen that nothing makes me more happy than have these ziofascists taken out. But, we should also be objective and be able to look at other ideas, possibilities and opinions without prejudice or malice.

I know tension and emotions are high and it is a fast news cycle and everybody is trying to get their two cents in. But name calling, especially without merit is not part of the discourse here. So you can either apologize and move on, or take your street thug language somewhere else.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 5 2020 17:17 utc | 314

Tom @ 290

Another look at the Kastner case:

Judging Evil in the Trial of Rudolph Kastner

Guest Contribution | World War 2 | November 22, 2016

The challenge for the court was how to apply legal tools to the daunting task of making sense of the failure (and possibly the betrayal) of Jewish leaders. At the end of a heated and controversial trial, Judge Halevi acquitted Gruenvald in a judgment that, at the same time, strongly condemned the behavior of Kastner. A few months later, while awaiting his appeal to the Supreme Court, Kastner was assassinated by people associated with radical right-wing circles. The appeal was successful–but too late for Kastner.

. . .

In other words, Kastner was working on behalf of the enemy and deliberately concealed from the Jewish leaders his knowledge that the “list” was a veritable Trojan horse. It was for this so-called “gift” that Kastner was willing to sell his soul to the Devil. Moreover, since Kastner was selling much more than his soul, that is, the lives of the Jews of Hungary, the contract was finally exposed to be a conspiracy between Kastner and the Nazis. This conspiracy, the judge suggested, was the key to understanding the difference between Kastner and other Jewish leaders.

Conspiracy Theory

The portrayal of Kastner as the archetypal conspirator evokes the common anti-Semitic stereotype of Jews as world conspirators.[81] From the story of Jesus of Nazareth to the story of the elders of Zion, Jews have been feared and despised because of their alleged tendency to betray their friends and conspire against them. In Halevi’s judgment, the conspiracy theory first appears in a quotation from a conversation between Kastner and Eichmann. In reply to Kastner’s asking how he could explain to the Hungarian authorities that a group of “prominent Jews” would be moved from the town of Kluj to Budapest, Eichmann answered: “We won’t have difficulties with the Hungarians. I told the Hungarian officer that we uncovered a dangerous Zionist conspiracy. . . . I told him that we cannot put the conspirators together with the rest of the group, otherwise they will create disquiet and interfere with their labor.” In fact, the stereotype of Jews ruling the world through a conspiracy can partly explain the initial decision by Himmler to offer the exchange of “Jews for trucks” via Eichmann to Kastner. Himmler may have been influenced by Nazi propaganda about Jewish control of Western leaders, and he may have hoped to create a bridge to the West via the negotiations with Kastner.[

Conspiracy theory appeared in an altered form when it was reintroduced in the earlier Nuremberg Trials. In order to link the atrocities committed by the low-ranking Nazi functionaries to the Nazi leaders, and to attribute to the latter full legal responsibility, the prosecution in Nuremberg resorted to the criminal law of conspiracy. This law holds every conspirator responsible for all the acts committed by others in connection with the conspiracy.[84] The legal doctrine of conspiracy helped the tribunal to adapt “war” to the judgment of a court by viewing it as “a conspiracy organized by a few evil men, and as such quite analogous to domestic crimes of violence.”[85] This legal conception of a Nazi conspiracy to wage an aggressive war influenced the intentionalist school of Holocaust historiography.

When we move from Nuremberg to Jerusalem there occurs a second inversion of conspiracy theory (bringing us back full circle). In the Kastner trial, the underlying narrative advanced by the judgment was that of the old Jewish conspiracy, which shifted the blame back to the victims by condemning Kastner for conspiring with the Nazi leaders.[86] Halevi’s judgment reads like a story within a story, uncovering a conspiracy between a Nazi and a Jewish leader eager to save his relatives and friends and willing to deliver the members of his community to the Nazis in exchange.

The Appeal–The Judgment of Justice Agranat

Justice Agranat’s opinion, long and methodical, reversed almost all of Halevi’s legal findings. It revealed that the law as such does not necessitate a black-and-white understanding of Evil and that it offers subtler tools than the ones used by Halevi to understand Kastner’s decision to cooperate with the Nazis. A central change in the legal narrative occurred as a result of Agranat’s firm rejection of contract law as irrelevant to deciding the case. In Agranat’s opinion the so-called “contract” was illusory, because contract law requires some measure of equality between the parties and the exercise of free will, both of which were missing in the conditions of terror and deceit created in Hungary under Nazi rule.[87] This “factual” disagreement with the trial court discloses a more fundamental disagreement about legal jurisprudence: Judge Halevi employed the teaching of legal formalism to support his finding of a valid contract, while Justice Agranat relied on a more contextual approach to conclude that there was not enough evidence to support such a finding.[88] Thus, Agranat stressed that the psychological devices used by the Nazis, central among them their willingness to help family members of the people with whom they negotiated, undermined Kastner’s contractual obligations.

Posted by: pogohere | Jan 5 2020 17:22 utc | 315

: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 5 2020 16:58 utc | 308

Murdering diplomatic messengers is the stuff of Biblical and Classical History (where there are examples). It sends the message that there can be no diplomacy - surrender, die, or fight.

Probably the ignorant mr t thought he was being cute. The charming mr "N' laid the entire crime on his pharmacos, and the schmuck took all the credit!

I wonder if they'll be shooting when the last airplanes and choppers fly out, or if those will be abandoned.

If, when you leave, they're shooting at you, then you lost.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 5 2020 17:24 utc | 316

librul @300

Just looked up Overton window.
I think there may be a fight going on sub rosa about the Overton window!
Certainly revisionism is on the agenda, and then there is pushback revisionism (cf. EU and Canadian effort to redefine USSR as equi-responsible with Nazis for WW2 and Putin's pushback on this). Perhaps the Overton window regarding WW2 is opening a bit to allow discussion of role of Western powers in creating/supporting/thinking they could control Hitler.

So, there is a lot to understand about the Third Reich besides the Jewish/European genocide. I am tired of the word Holocaust, and it has become way too politicized.

Anyhow, in my experience most Americans and perhaps others see all of WW2 as being about the H-word, and also oiut of ignorance see things in black-white terms: Germans bad; Jews victims. The thirties were a time of evolution of Nazi policies in a number of areas and thus also responses. One event that seems to be way outside the Overton window is the international Jewish boycott of Germany in 1933, and the Ha'vara agreement between the German Zionist Federation and Hitler/the Nazi Party/the Third Reich/German govt [all kind of mixed up], also in 1933. Wikipedia labels it the Boycott of the *Nazis,* but of course it was of the German economy. Certainly this fueled the perception within Germany, struggling out the the consequences of Versailles and the world depression, that there was an international Jewish conspiracy to bring the country to its knees---or, rather, keep it on its knees. Brenner has also written about this period, and the contradictory responses to it. Here is the Amazon description of his "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators":

"In 1933 the German Zionist Federation sought Hitler's patronage: "Zionism hopes to be able to win the collaboration even of a government fundamentally hostile to Jews. . . . Boycott propaganda . . . currently being carried on against Germany . . . is in essence un-Zionist." Zionism became the only other legal political movement in the Nazi Reich. That same year, the World Zionist Organization (WZO) made the Ha'avara (Transfer) Agreement, undermining the boycott against Nazi Germany. German Jewish emigrants to Palestine had to buy Nazi goods that the WZO sold in the Middle East. In 1937 the Haganah (later the Israeli army) sent an agent to Berlin. They would provide spy intelligence if the Nazis further eased the monetary regulations for emigrants to Palestine. The Zionist-Revisionist movement (today the ruling Likud Party) set up a detachment at Mussolini's naval academy. He personally reviewed them in 1936. They wanted him to replace Britain as Zionism s patron. In 1941, the Fighters for the Freedom of Israel (later Likudniks) told the Nazis that they wanted a "Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich," and offered "to actively take part in the war on Germany s side." This is the sordid history documented in Lenni Brenner's Zionism in the Age of the Dictators. This updated edition features a new afterword by the author"

I guess this is OT. But perhaps not, as background to the genesis of the Jewish National State, which is driving so many "current events."

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 17:24 utc | 317

"Murdering diplomatic messengers is the stuff of Biblical and Classical History (where there are examples)."
Walter 314


Or, as occurred to me, Macbethian.
And Ivanka and Jared could have stepped right out of King Lear.

Also, perhaps a good example of why the Americans and the Zionists really do not fit in in the Middle East.
Where, I believe, the guest is sacred, protected when in one's tent or domicile and thus under one's protection.
The yanks are such boors. They have zero concept of nobility and a higher order of values.
The Zionists are worse. They do know the rules but get a charge out of breaking them for a short-term gain.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 17:39 utc | 318

@james 310

As much as I would like to see the Americans and the Israelis pay dearly for their machinations, I’m afraid Iran might not have much of a choice but to negotiate. US/Israel want a hot war with Iran and the purpose is not to win or regime change. It is just to destroy everything they have built for the past 40 years, not to mention their usual 1-2 million people collateral damage.

This US administration has kicked the international law bucket to the side and is acting with impunity and without regard for the opinion of the allies and the rest of the world, because they can and they hold most of the cards, for now.

Russia and China will not get in the middle of this as they have demonstrated many times. As Khamenei said recently, “we have no friends.”

Sure, Iran can fight hard, close the Strait, bomb the gulf monarchies, hit Israelis and bring the world economy to a stand still. But that would only get the rest of the world turn against them, including Russia and China.

I hope they have gamed out such scenario in the past and have a way out. Love to see Israel’s nose rubbed in shit. They are great chess players, but a check mate?? Seems unrealistic.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 5 2020 17:46 utc | 319

According to Scott Ritter Soleimani had indeed entered Iraq on a diplomatic passport.

Posted by: rho | Jan 5 2020 17:52 utc | 320

I had to change my moniker as there is another "Tom" here already.
Posted by: pogohere | Jan 5 2020 17:22 utc | 313

Thanks pogohere !!!!
Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 17:24 utc | 315
We in the States have been saturated by a World View that is mainly manufactured in Hollywood. There is no counter force to this which this graph explains in part,
I am convinced that it is all very well coordinated so as to be ahead of future events to occur. Rambo movies were one such early effort to prep the populace for what was being planned.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 17:24 utc | 315
I think the Overlords sense that they have a problem, information access. Today it is simply way way too easy to dig up things that 30-40 years ago would have taken years to get to. Today I can do searches on numerous databases and find out lots of information on any topic. Of course most people will not go this route hence manipulation is still fairly easy.

Putin's Russia is the latest victim of such historical manipulation. Since Manipulation of US Elections did not work out they have decided to blame Soviet Union for starting WWII. Then as the average Joe has no idea what's the difference between Soviet Union and Russia, if you tell him Russia along with Nazi Germany started WWII he will nod and say YES. Lie repeated often enough will become the Truth in People's minds. That's why that saying that Truth wins in the End was never very satisfactory for me.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 5 2020 17:55 utc | 321


Good point and even if and when the truth does come out, remember that it took 60 years for the CIA to admit its role in overthrowing Mossadegh in Iran in 1953.

Posted by: spudski | Jan 5 2020 18:07 utc | 322

@ Really?? | Jan 5 2020 17:39 utc | 318

some, and you, may appreciate this essay>

The End of the Cold War and Shakespeare’s Macbeth
by Vladimir Golstein (@ offguardian and fort russ etc. Golstein is a professor at Brown.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 5 2020 18:29 utc | 323

Re: A User @230

It is gratifying to come across people perceptive enough to understand the techniques used to deceive them. Know, however, that the astroturf use those techniques because they actually work on most people. Not so much here at the bar, perhaps, but elsewhere across the Internet most people do fall for that trick.

That said, one would expect the personnel in charge of coordinating talent for the disinformation operation would know that they need somewhat higher skill levels assigned to this forum. Perhaps because it is Sunday and their best talent is taking a day off?

Or perhaps it is more the case that they didn't expect to have to launch a massive damage control operation this weekend? PavewayIV's speculation back @135, though evidence doesn't exist at the moment to prove it, fits what we do know surprisingly well. The outrageous incompetence, not just of the current administration in Washington but of the entire imperial establishment, is certainly extreme enough for them to not even know Gen. Suleimani was there. That and the casual attitude Americans have about murder such that they wouldn't bother checking who else they might be killing in their enthusiasm to spill blood easily explains why they didn't double check the target.

Americans are convinced that they can wield violence like a sculptor wields a chisel, carving a pro-empire masterpiece out of the raw material that the world represents like Michelangelo working a block of marble. A sick blend of hubris and psychosis.

Relying on low-skill second string spin management staff to cover the screw-up? The Tweeter-in-Chief's uncharacteristic silence after the deed was done? The US now trying to negotiate their way out of the the justified response that is inevitable? The US starting a war with not nearly enough troops and hardware in the theater to have any hope at success? I think the speculation by PavewayIV @135 might be right. The fools who think themselves to be artistes de violence shattered their "masterpiece" with an errant blow and now must change their adult incontinence garments.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2020 19:00 utc | 324

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2020 19:00 utc | 324

Relying on low-skill second string spin management staff to cover the screw-up? The Tweeter-in-Chief's uncharacteristic silence after the deed was done?

That long display of the American flag on Twitter gave me the impression that Trump was trying to get his wits together as to what had happened. A word stream is a Trump name brand not a single picture.

I continue to have this sneaky feeling the guy was tricked and there was nowhere to go.

Listen to this Jul 2, 2019 interview that I found as I was looking for one where Carlson is said to be blasting Trump over this assassination.

He doesn't sound like a guy wanting to start WW III but then my opinion is as good as my typing skills.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 5 2020 19:13 utc | 325

"That long display of the American flag on Twitter gave me the impression that Trump was trying to get his wits together as to what had happened. A word stream is a Trump name brand not a single picture." Tom LX 325

My thought, too. He is filling space with an ad lib.
But someone else said: No, that was a "smug" flag.
Also seems possible, although I don't think Trump "thinks" that way.
Way too indirect.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 19:22 utc | 326

Watch The Trumps Not Be Able To Multiply 17 By 6

How can a stupid person be the President of the United States?

Posted by: Fuck Trump | Jan 5 2020 19:28 utc | 327

Walter @ 323

Very good!
A great reading of Macbeth.
I had forgotten how many he slew.

I too thought there was something weird about "the end of history."
If nothing else, there are always elections!!
What stupid arrogance.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 19:39 utc | 328

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 19:22 utc | 326
I am much more convinced that the Israeli's had a finger in this then Trump choosing to assassinate Suleiman from a menu of choices served to him by the Pentagon. Our problem is that we can not be sure what exactly was said to Trump before the attack.

Back from the Past. The only reason JFK didn't trigger a nuclear war with the Soviet Union in 1961 was that he had his brother to cover his back. He had someone who could work behind the main stage while the spotlight was on JFK. The Bay of Pigs was a trap that was laid out to draw the US into a take over of Cuba. Had that happened, and US military got involved, the Soviets had nuclear tipped missiles ready to be fired at the command of the local Soviet commanders !!!! I doubt Trump has anyone that he can trust with his life in that White House. I think he is completely alone and out of his depth in that position. Just a Puppet.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 5 2020 20:14 utc | 329

Mr "N" and his cohort of traitors gamed the fat clown...he's just now realizing that he's been played for a sucker in a classic con game.

People ought to read "You Can't Win" and "The Big Con"... Trumpie's been had.

He's also quite probably been set up with his phataz and a couple of young ladies, a bit too at 11...and Mr Epstein is watching his mark squirm on TV, youbetcha!

I said a year ago that T Man was a classic pharmacos. A sacrificial animal - part of the Abrahamic tradition.

"Hustlers of the world beware the one mark you cannot beat, the mark inside." (Burroughs) Couldn't a happened to a nicer fella.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 5 2020 20:46 utc | 330

" I doubt Trump has anyone that he can trust with his life in that White House. I think he is completely alone and out of his depth in that position. Just a Puppet."

Tom_Lx 329

Ya know, I often wonder about that myself.
His friggin' daughter and son-in-law are stupid, treasonous vipers. Honestly I reckon the only good head in the neighborhood is Melania's. Which is why I keep saying: Trump didn't understand the job, and he didn't recognize the need for knowledgeable, wise, steady counselors. He has been an old fool in letting his daughter and Kushner come anywhere near the White House. He should have sent Ivanka and Jared to some small country such as the Bikini Atoll or the Galapagos Islands as envoys.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 5 2020 21:10 utc | 331

@319 alpi... first off - it is a tough crowd at moa.. people like 'a user' - (used to be 'debs is dead') calls it like he sees it and i usually agree with him...

as for iran having to negotiate, i continue to believe you can't negotiate with the usa.. the usa is non negotiable, or only negotiable on the usa's terms - which really isn't negotiating..bribery is another way the usa seem to work, and again as hard as it is for western culture to see this, not all cultures or people are easily bribed, no matter the amount.. i suspect iran will return the favour in the most unlikely and unpredictable way and no one will be able to know for sure.. that is classic iranian behaviour as i understand it.. however, with what the usa has done in the last week, it appears likely iraq is going to vote them out.... that would be a significant payback in itself.. sunny runny burger left a post which is a good overview on all this earlier today on the open thread that is worth a read.. Iraqi Parliament Backs Expulsion of US Troops: Background and What to Expect Next

pace yourself here at moa! cheers james

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2020 23:37 utc | 332


No worries. Been a reader for the past 6 years, poster for the past 3 and a donor for the past two.

Tough crowd is fine, rude idiots not welcomed.

Iranians are more pragmatic than vengeful. They know that a negotiation has to be done and they are masters at bartering. They still have to think about the welfare of 85 million people and so much discontent inside the country, most of it due to sanctions.

If they can get what they want without a shot fired, Soleimani’s death has not been in vain. I’m sure there will some sort of proportional answer but in the end US has made life miserable and they are looking for a way out. It’s either that or an all out war and there goes the neighborhood.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 6 2020 3:02 utc | 333

Hall @20

Everything that Trump does will not necessarily be focused on re-election but on doing exactly what the Zionists order him to do. That is obviously his priority, judging from his actions these 3 years.

Posted by: joe | Jan 6 2020 6:48 utc | 334

You know what is extremely entertaining? Watching a bunch of folks comment aimlessly about something they know nothing about.

Number 1: The "Jews" in Israel aren't the people written in the bible, they are imposters properly called EDOMITES. That is the reason they are hated some much in that region. The people of the region are all aware of the fraud.

Number 2: The "Israelis" will be run out of the land into the south in fear of their lives. Fear will suddenly surprise them and they will be burnt up which is their judgement for all the atrocities perpetuated by them coming up through time. Not limited to, but including: the Holocaust, the stock market crash, WWI & WWII, The current economic crisis and future collapse, and how they massacre Palestinians.

Number 3: The US is controlled by the Jewish EDOMITES, not the other way around.

Number 4: A coalition of middle eastern nation's including Turkey, Iraq & Iran, allied with Russia and possibly Syria will attack the US with nuclear weapons and destroy it in ONE DAY; 24 hours.

This site and all of you won't be around to tell me that I was spot on with all my predictions when this all takes place, but you're all welcome for the info. It's all written in the scriptures; you just have to pay attention. I would say peace, but, there has already been a declaration of war so, Prepare for War, heathens.

Posted by: Yisrael | Jan 6 2020 14:23 utc | 335

"Iran's revenge act can not be done within U.S. borders. That would be interpreted as a direct attack and could be used as a pretext for war."

I agree with this assessment, but would not be a bit surprised to see a false fag on US soil that gets blamed on Iran.

Posted by: Curly | Jan 6 2020 16:21 utc | 336

Rouhani tweet indicates that the 290 people on board IR655 were never avenged.

Rouhani Says "Never Threaten Iran" In Evoking Downed Airliner With 290 People Onboard

I understand the tweet this way: USA holds a grudge about 52 hostages that live through their experience, we hold a grudge about 290 people who were killed by illegal USA action.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 19:04 utc | 337

 BM | Jan 4 2020 18:31 utc | 19
Not sure that it needs Russian expertise to do the work of removing US forces from Iraq. See this:

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 28 2020 21:48 utc | 338

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