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January 13, 2020

The Long Planned U.S. Assassinations In Iraq Will Increase Its Political Chaos

The Trump administration has given various justification for its assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani and commander Abu Mahdi al Muhandis. It claimed that there was an 'imminent threat' of an incident, even while not knowing what, where or when it would happen, that made the assassination necessary. Trump later said the threat was a planned bombing of four U.S. embassies. His defense secretary denied that.

Soleimani and Muhandis during a battle against ISIS

That has raised the suspicion that the decision to kill Soleimani had little to do with current events but was a long planned operation. NBC News now reports that this is exactly the case:

President Donald Trump authorized the killing of Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani seven months ago if Iran's increased aggression resulted in the death of an American, according to five current and former senior administration officials.

The presidential directive in June came with the condition that Trump would have final signoff on any specific operation to kill Soleimani, officials said.

The idea to kill Soleimani, a regular General in an army with which the U.S. is not at war, came like many other bad ideas from John Bolton.

After Iran shot down a U.S. drone in June, John Bolton, Trump's national security adviser at the time, urged Trump to retaliate by signing off on an operation to kill Soleimani, officials said. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also wanted Trump to authorize the assassination, officials said.

But Trump rejected the idea, saying he'd take that step only if Iran crossed his red line: killing an American. The president's message was "that's only on the table if they hit Americans," according to a person briefed on the discussion.

Then unknown forces fired 30 short range missiles into a U.S. base near Kirkuk. The salvo was not intended to kill or wound anyone:

The rockets landed in a place and at a time when American and Iraqi personnel normally were not there and it was only by unlucky chance that Mr. Hamid was killed, American officials said.

Without presenting any evidence the U.S. accused Katib Hizbullah, an Iraqi Popular Militia Unit, of having launched the missiles. It launched airstrikes against a number of Katib Hizbullah positions near the Syrian border, hundreds of miles away from Kirkuk, and killed over 30 Iraqi security forces.

This led to demonstrations in Baghdad during which a crowd breached the outer wall of the U.S. embassy but soon retreated. Trump, who had attacked Hillary Clinton over the raid on the consulate/CIA station in Benghazi, did not want to get embarrassed with a full embassy breach.

The media claim that it was the embassy breach that the led to the activation of an operation that had already been planned for a year before Trump signed off on it seven months ago. As the New York Times describes it:

For the past 18 months, officials said, there had been discussions about whether to target General Suleimani. Figuring that it would be too difficult to hit him in Iran, officials contemplated going after him during one of his frequent visits to Syria or Iraq and focused on developing agents in seven different entities to report on his movements — the Syrian Army, the Quds Force in Damascus, Hezbollah in Damascus, the Damascus and Baghdad airports and the Kataib Hezbollah and Popular Mobilization forces in Iraq.

It was the embassy breach and a war-industry lobbyist who convinced Trump to finally pull the symbolical trigger:

Defense Secretary Mark Esper presented a series of response options to the president two weeks ago, including killing Soleimani. Esper presented the pros and cons of such an operation but made it clear that he was in favor of taking out Soleimani, officials said.

Trump signed off and it further developed from there.

There was no intelligence of any 'imminent threat' or anything like that.

This was an operation that had been worked on for 18 months. Trump signed off on it more than half a year ago. Those who had planned it just waited for a chance to execute it.

We can not even be sure that the embassy bombing had caused Trump to give the final go. It might have been that the CIA and Pentagon were just waiting for a chance to kill Soleimani and Muhandis, the leader of Katib Hizbullah, at the same time. Their meeting at Baghdad airport was not secret and provided the convenient opportunity they had been waiting for.

Together Soleimani and Muhandis were the glue that kept the many Shia factions in Iraq together. The armed ones as well as the political ones. Soleimani's replacement as Quds brigade leader, Brigadier General Ismail Qaani, is certainly a capable man. But his previous field of work was mainly east of Iran in Afghanistan and Pakistan and it will be difficult for him to fill Soleimani's role in Iraq:

After Soleimani’s death, Ayatollah Khamenei appointed Soleimani’s deputy Ismail Qaani to succeed him. Qaani does not speak Arabic, does not have an in-depth knowledge of Iraq, nor the insight of Soleimani and his ability to balance the different positions of Iraq’s factions with the opinions of Ayatollah Khamenei and the religious authorities in Najaf.

The question is how the successor of Soleimani will manage his new responsibility including the thorny issues in Iraq. The escalation of the Iranian-American conflict is, according to many, an escalation towards war and the destabilization of the region in which the rules of engagement have changed. The question remains how, and not whether all of this will impact the situation in Iraq.

Today the Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who has his own militia, and Iraqi PMU leaders met in Qom, Iran, to discuss how the foreign troops can be expelled from Iraq. Gen. Qaani will likely be there to give them advice.

Yesterday Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of the Lebanese Hizbullah, gave another speech. In it he called on the Kurds in Iraq to pay back their debt to Soleimani and Hizbullah, which is owed for their fight against ISIS, and to help to evict the foreign soldiers from Iraq:

85-Nasrallah: Now, the rest of the path. 1) Iraq: Iraq is the first country concerned w/responding to this crime, because it happened in Iraq, and because it targeted Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, a great Iraqi commander, and because Soleimani defended Iraq.

86-Nasrallah: I ask Masoud Barazani to thank Soleimani for his efforts in defending Erbil and Kurdistan Region, because Soleimani was the only one to respond to your call. Soleimani and with him men from Hezbollah went to Erbil.

87-Nasrallah: Barazani was shaking from fear, but Soleimani and the brothers from Hezbollah helped you repulse this unprecedented threat; and now you must repay this good by being part of the effort to expel the Americans from Iraq and the region.

The Barzani family, which governs the Kurdish part of Iraq, has sold out to the Zionists and the United States a long time ago. It will certainly not support the resistance effort. But Nasrallah's request is highly embarrassing to the clan and to Masoud Barzani personally.

So far I only found this rather confusing response from him:

Nihad N. Arafat @NihadArafat - 7:44 UTC · Jan 13, 2020

The Kurdistan Regional Government’s response to the immoral speech uttered by Hassan Nasrallah through the anti-terror apparatus is a clear message from the regional government to those terrorists that the response to the terrorists must be through the anti-terror apparatus.

As military leader both Soleimani and Muhandis are certainly replaceable. The militia groups they created and led will continue to function.

But both men also played important political roles in Iraq and it will take some time to find adequate people to replace them in that. That makes it likely that the already simmering political situation in Iraq will soon boil over as the Shia factions will start to fight each other over the selection of a new Prime Minister and government.

The U.S. will welcome that as it will try do install a candidate that will reject the Iraqi parliament decision to remove the foreign forces from Iraqi territory.

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Red @ 29 -

I posted what I believe might be a translated version of the document you linked to above, but I as well do not speak the language.

This may be a related Twitter stream on the Iranians ruling out human error and pointing the finger at U.S. electronic warfare malfeasance being used to trick the Iranians or their systems into making the shoot down.

University of Tehran Cyperspace Research Lab:

On the matter of the Ukrainian plane accident in Iran, the role of human error has been ruled out [as it has been discovered that] deception operations were carried out on the air control & command system.

Posted by: Lurker in the Dark | Jan 14 2020 1:44 utc | 101

@ karlof1 | Jan 14 2020 0:48 utc | 95

Posted by: Rd | Jan 14 2020 2:14 utc | 102

If anyone is interested in macro-history cycles then this may suggest 'rhymes with' the past times of gay Sparta protecting Greece (Battle of Thermopylae against the Persian army in 480 B.C.) is closer at hand than yesterday.

It is a stretch, but the USA myth today is they are the modern day Romans etc -- sorry, more like the Spartans. Do the abortion count, the Book thing, the military economy, the gender bender pedophile trend etc. (they fort in bonded pairs back-to-back as lovers -- literally.)


It will be interesting to see what 'new' (if anything) emerges from the current clash of ancient myth and metaphor in the ME.

Posted by: imo | Jan 14 2020 2:24 utc | 103

the Great Evil in the world resides within the Outlaw US Empire and must be expunged even if Nukes must be used. Yes, that conclusion was painful to arrive at and write, but the horrors have lasted for 3,000+ years now. The crop of Current Oligarchs are the most aggressive ever and won't stop their rampage until they Own Everything. In the overall scheme of things, getting Imperial forces ousted from Southwest Asia will be a good thing but only a small portion of what must occur. by: karlof1 @ 18

juliania 20

US aggression is at the stage of Nazi Germany and imperial Japan around the start of WWII.
Rather than seeing that their unipolar world is ending, the US is prepared to use military power to hold its position in the world.
The exceptionalist mindset is not just one small faction in the US hierarchy, it is the mindset of the hierarchy plus a good proportion of the population.
Throughout history, countries or nations like that always end up destroyed as they fight for their position until the very end rather than step down. by: Peter AU1 @ 24

<=Actually, coordinated expression of the aggression began in 1897 ( the mobsters arranged a deal between France and Russia (1897), and the next year, France and England bound the USA to a deal 1898) since central operations have been transferred from England and France into the more powerful USA. These older governments have been reduced to dependent, yes states; but the goals set for the states remain pretty much unchanged.

Analyzing what was said by the academic side before 1914 regarding Germany and the Middle East and reading about the same thing in the past tense as written by the defeated side in the years following 1918 .. six prerequisites were put in place to make it possible to defeat Germany and take the Ottoman oil, that accomplished; the goal is to keep all competition out, maintain monopoly control over the oil, and rule the world.

Until Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon and Egypt are made dependants, war and turmoil will continue.

How did the private mobsters accomplish WWI? <=are there any parallels in what we see today?

1. secret agreements between leaders <=created allied forces; imposed on nations obligation to put in place prerequisites needed for war
2. positioned Germany into an inescapable "defeat Germany box" <=yield nothing to Germany, no matter what
3. Establish a central purpose icon, the Balfour Agreement, to direct immigration
4. Impose British Military Propaganda on domestic politics of USA governed America <=necessary to get America into the war
5. Tax personal wealth of Americans (Income Tax Act 1912-3) to collateralize central bank loans made to European warriors.
6. Privatize banking (i. e. Federal Reserve Act of 1913) allowed to force Americans to donate their wealth to European warriors.

so Juliania, Karlof1, and Perter AU1 would you agree, the powerhouse that enforces the global goals set by the mobsters has changed from France and England to the USA? Would you also agree, its not the American people that are evil, but the mobsters that set this all up.

Posted by: snake | Jan 14 2020 2:28 utc | 104

Pompeo was not using the word "immanent" in its everyday common sense of "soon" or "about to happen". He was using it in accordance with the Bethlehem doctrine of pre-emptive self-defence, under which the US, the UK and Israel assert a legal right to assassinate people on a vague hunch that they may be up to something. So, as usual, Pompeo was being disingenuous. Craig Murray explains all this in his post of 4 January 2020.

Posted by: Simon | Jan 14 2020 2:36 utc | 105

"Pompeo was not using the word "immanent" in its everyday common sense of "soon" or "about to happen". Simon@104
The word he used was "imminent."
Immanent has a very different meaning.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 14 2020 2:42 utc | 106

the link to craig murrays article was in my post that still hasn't shown from much earlier today...

on a related topic, if the usa refuses to leave iraq, i recommend iraq ask to have the 35 billion sitting in the federal reserve returned to iraq, or a swiss bank.. the usa can't be trusted in anything...

link to elijah magniers latest - Iraq is the Next Battleground

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 2:49 utc | 107

Where is it confirmed that Qaani doesn't speak Arabic? As a guardian of the Islamic revolution surely he must have read and be able to recite the Quran which is obviously Arabic. Also he has played a part in organising militia in Syria and other Arabic speaking areas so it is difficult to believe that he cannot speak the language. I have no information that specifically states that he does speak Arabic but hope you can direct me to this information.

Posted by: gringo | Jan 14 2020 3:01 utc | 108

Piotr Berman @ 12

Muqtada al-Sadr, who has his on militia whose militia is "on", active, rather than "off"? In any case, separating this guy from microphones would require an Armored Personal Carrier or something heavier.

Human nature, being what is, makes me wonder whether the Shia leadership in Iraq would rather be alive, rich, and powerful rather than being dead and a martyr. Martyrdom is good for the troops but when you have the troops bowing and kissing your ring, sending in their 10%, and giving you their daughters; why take a dive off the planet? Life is good.

While being brave at the podium rallying the troops against Uncle Sam their backsides must be puckering with the though of going to eternity in an urn. In Mexico the cartels have a slogan, Plomo O plata, take the silver or take the lead. The Shia is up against the biggest cartel of them all.

It will be business as usual when this tempest passes.

Posted by: dltravers | Jan 14 2020 3:52 utc | 110

I would point out to those tracing history back to the Nazis or even 3,000 years that history does not repeat itself, though it does travel in a tight spiral. There are far too many incidental or not changes that make repetition impossible.

But then, I also don't think for a moment that the US 'won this round.' Nor do I think empire is on an infinite path to immortality. Please just consider the improbability of the president giving a State of the Union speech that in any way resembles what has really been happening to this country. Success? Progress? The progress I see is elsewhere.

What I said before I will say again. Something happened to crack the presidential facade and turn him from clown to fanatic - in other words, instead of resisting the crazies,(as ineffectively as maybe that occurred) he joined them, went beyond them. Out crazied them. So now, he's dangerously unstable. He can, he might, go over the edge.

Well, then what? It is only the beginning of this year which promises to be a turbulent one. The rest of the world, which has progressed, has been and will need to continue to be, enormously patient with this country. For as is evident here, the country itself has cracked, and while that is very scary, it is always possible (especially to those who remember how these things happen,) for a firebird to be born.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2020 4:07 utc | 111

Karlof1 if you missed it the Qatari Foreign Minister also flew to Iran shortly after the US assassination for two private talks with Zarif and Rouhani, I got the impression they very substantive considering there are no real details on the content available at all. I'm guessing it's to do with how they don't want to be a sacrifice on the altar of US stupidity. I have posted about it before with links (nearly a week ago?). It was while people claimed the assassination drone was launched out of Qatar —which it seems nobody says or believes any more?

You might also be interested in the Pakistani support of Iran that was voiced during the past week. Pakistan could be a good indicator of the general feelings on the matter in the governments of the muslim world with Pakistan being mostly Sunni and close to Saudi Arabia. Kazakhstan (I think it was them) also seems to be very sympathetic towards Iran. There are more but I can't remember who it was. The US must have crossed many hidden red lines.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 14 2020 4:10 utc | 112

On the road that is called Straight, Paul, then known as Saul, the persecutor of Christians who held the garments of those who were stoning Stephen, was thrown from his horse and blinded. He was brought to Damascus where he was looked after until he regained his sight and his senses, three days later.

A blinding light. Is that what you wish for, karlof1? That I could understand.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2020 4:23 utc | 113

A comment by Jack Rabbit in another thread led me on a search. I found this on Russian codes for Irans missile system being given to Israel

Fake wrestling anyone?

Interesting that it was a Ukraine airliner. An attempt to break up thawing relations between Russia and Ukraine by planting the idea Russia did it. Cause Iran and other ME nations to lose trust in Russian made weapons for fear codes given to Israel could turn weapons against them. Killing 2 birds with 1 stone, no pun intended. I also suspect Iran might lose confidence in their weapons and defense system, especially if used against the US and Israel. Their success against the air base in Iraq probably had more to do with US standing down and not showing their cards knowing that US personnel are not housed at the base and they had time to move those on base to a safe location. Equipment losses are easily replaced with their big new budget.

Posted by: Pft | Jan 14 2020 4:47 utc | 114


Technology changes but the human mind or human nature does not. Nuclear weapons have changed the way wars are fought, via proxies ect between nuclear armed nations. US will most likely use them to retain its place in the world.
Russia and China have a different mindset. They each lost over 20 million people in WWII. For the US, wars are always fought in another land.
But what US is doing now and its mindset is the history of war and human nature. Nothing changes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2020 4:49 utc | 115

Really @56

American hero - Smedley Butler, wrote War Is A Racket, and prevented a presidential coup, a real life Seven Days in May

Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 14 2020 4:51 utc | 116

The reported American was an Iraqi employee of the occupation forces who became a Naturalized American due to that service.

Posted by: William H Warrick MD | Jan 14 2020 4:57 utc | 117

karlof1 @ 54

which Hudson's trying to make more accessible via a series beginning with … and forgive them their debts... which I very much encourage you--and everyone reading this comment--to read as it really is that important. The bits and pieces provided in the related essays at Hudson's website are not a sufficient substitute for the series of books

Much as I respect your contributions and Micheal Hudson's, I disagree. I got the book for Christmas; and although it is a mere 270 pages, it took me three weeks to wade through it. I could get through about one chapter at a time.

"...and forgive them their debts" is a snoozer - unless you like having the geneaology of Assyrian kings with six and seven syllable names (plus a list of alliances and towns) recited until you zone out. If you are not an expert on Bronze Age history, you will instantly be lost, because there is but one map about one point in time with about six towns on it (not even including Babylon); and there is no list of kings by year. You just have to wade through a merciless recitation of debt cancellation edict after edict, followed by academic hairsplitting over the translation of various words.

To be fair, I think the basic idea that the words have been misinterpreted and that the cancellations have been erased from history, deliberately, is a very important idea that must be publicized widely; but this book is the wrong way to get that across.

I thought that the chapters on Israel were much more accessible, not because they had maps or lists of kings, but because people are familiar with the kings, prophets, and Jubileee concepts from the Bible. Later, the section on Byzantium had the same unfamiliarity issue as Assyria.

IMHO, Hudson's essays and interviews give a clearer, higher level view of his take on debt than this leaden tome.

IMHO, this is a book for academics. It is a valuable compilation of historical research. It is useful in providing an avalanche of facts to debunk economists fairy tales about money starting as barter and governments always and everywhere being useless parasites.

Its just a very difficult read that is only for people with immense intellectual discipline. If this is a person's first exposure to Hudson, they will think he is a boring pedant.

Posted by: john brewster | Jan 14 2020 5:08 utc | 118

@117 john brewster.. i took the hudson book - … and forgive them their debts... out of the local library and i just couldn't read it.. i skimmed it, but it was way too dry for me... i am still curious to read super imperialism but i am unwilling to read a pdf on the net...

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 5:19 utc | 119

Juliania, Karlof1, and Perter AU1 and Snake

Good article on this topic in Off-Guardian on the real powers, the non-nation state powers, and the next World War.

Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 14 2020 5:29 utc | 120

The same strategy they use in Korea, Japan, Germany, Afghanistan, ......etc... Bribery, threats and violence.

Posted by: b4real | Jan 13 2020 21:38 utc | 55

A cheap jibe. They've done all that already, but it hasn't worked. Sure they can stay in one or two bases against local opinion, but they can't go anywhere or do anything, as they don't in Afghanistan any more.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 14 2020 5:37 utc | 121

The above Tehran Uni statement has already been labeled as fake by some sites

Posted by: Bran | Jan 14 2020 5:43 utc | 122

Apparently one of the issues for Iraq is that its oil revenue gets directed to an account at the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, and access to that account would be the first order of any prospective retaliatory sanctions by the U.S., and it was likely that account that Trump referred to when warning of crippling sanctions if Iraq should attempt to remove US / NATO forces.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 14 2020 0:17 utc | 88

The oil companies concerned aren't American. Trump is threatening the break up of the petrodollar system, which the US depends upon. Selling oil outside the dollar was what was supposed to have brought the wrath of the US down on Ghaddafi, wasn't it? There's nothing to actually stop oil being sold in other currencies, and not passing through New York.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 14 2020 6:00 utc | 123

Pft @113

Want to take fake wrestling to a curious beginning? I wonder if anyone else had a similar first impression on viewing the severed hand and ring image? Looked to me like a variation on the ubiquitous indestructible passport. Bodies of both leaders vaporized by hellfire, or so it seems. We're supposed to blindly accept that a very convenient hand and ring miraculously were found relatively unscathed. It was a recent commenter at the saker who pointed out that's not even Qasem Soleimani's ring. The setting which holds the stone is slightly different when you actually look closely. Of course, this sort of thinking leads to wild theories. Was Soleimani dead earlier, yet this being the public notice? Are they both now extrajudicially transferred, and for what future purpose? A deadly synthesis of kabuki and policy.

Posted by: psychedelicatessen | Jan 14 2020 6:00 utc | 124

@ 121 bran.. does it make sense that a website with a domain name ending in .com and registered thru a company in scottsdale arizona would be telling us the truth? i dunno.. i am suspicious of anything i get over the net, but thanks for this anyway..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 6:06 utc | 125

gringo #107

I have no view on Qaani and his capacity to speak Arabic but I do assume he can and is fluent. However this article from OEN shows that the sound grasp of affairs to the east of Iran by Qaani were also a strong point of Soleimani.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 14 2020 6:29 utc | 126

b4real @85

Thanks for the link. There is no mention of the fact that they had been warned by the Iranians; the snake-journalist speaking from the Zionist entity toward the end "disappears" completely the fact that they were all alive because the Iranians wanted it.

Posted by: joe | Jan 14 2020 6:29 utc | 127

karlof1 | Jan 13 2020 18:48 utc | 18

That is quite a paragraph; I can find nothing in it, to which I disagree.
There is a monster afoot which must be eliminated by any, and all means necessary...
I do find it difficult, if not impossible, to hold Usians blameless...

Posted by: V | Jan 14 2020 8:23 utc | 128

Josh @ 47

US does have politicians speaking about that. Look up Tulsi Gabbard. BUT, the real issue doesn't have so much do with who is at the helm as it is to the policies themselves. Once again, Tulsi Gabbard speaks to/about this:

And to further establish the WHY about the existing policies:

Posted by: Seer | Jan 14 2020 9:51 utc | 129

How could the Iraqis be forced to deposit all oil receipts in the US Federal reserve [35 billion] and according to E Magnier the US are holding Iraq's gold reserves also [unbelievable]. Nevertheless the US are in a very weak position. Two of their largest bases, the Al Udeid airbase the largest in the area and the sixth fleet based in Bahrain could be said to be in enemy territory [just across the Gulf]. The situation in Iraq is the first priority since Iraq is vital for any staging operation against Iran. The US has made it crystal clear what they intend to do, Steal Syrian oil and steal Iraqi resources including money and gold deposited in the US. In some ways Trumps threats make it plain what Iraq needs to do, in fact there are only two things they can do....
1/ they can capitulate, get their money and gold unfrozen and lose their sovereignty and be forever slaves of the US.
or 2/ Offer physical Resistance, as any self respecting nation would do. US bases in Iraq are very vulnerable to mortars and rockets which are unstoppable [causing the military to hunker down in bunkers, if they venture outside they are even more vulnerable to the unstoppable simple and inexpensive explosively formed projectile [EFP’s].
Professor Norman Finkelstein had this to say some time ago, I think is most appropriate for the peoples of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen at this time.. Professor Norman Finkelstein IN DEFENCE OF LEBANON.
I agree with every word.

Posted by: Harry law | Jan 14 2020 10:29 utc | 130

Posted by: Pft | Jan 14 2020 4:47 utc | 113

Stop spreading bullshit. Israeli paper, quoting "mexican" source, aimed at Iran? They must be talking the truth /s

Russians have 2 main exports for some time: oil/gas and weapons. They are 100% professional about it. Meaning they respect contracts for oil even with countries they are at war with (west, ukraine etc.), and they most certainly don't export backdoored weapons.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 14 2020 11:55 utc | 131

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@ blues | Jan 13 2020 22:51 utc | 71

"A very large crowd of the most knowledgeable experts in (real) economics are quite certain that the USSA is on the brink of total collapse. So the population is in dire need of distractions. ..."

This crowd of 'economists' and their like have been sprouting this scenario for decades. Why believe any of these characters? The whole basic premise of std economics is now dated and largely BS. Obviously, they have not updated on "modern monetary theory"?

There is no market economy in 'equilibrium' run on rational basis. That ideology's shell cracked with Nixon and completely broke with blow-job Willy Clinton when he had time not playing with the kids on Epstein's Express (and Island).

It is a political economy now. Hegemony first, second and third. Vassal states (plantations) and Colony-economic all the way with LBJ (& the Fed) etc. The only place 'normal' economics applies is at the margins for the working class -- like your credit card and the local hardware store.

However, your general sentiment is on the mark if you change the key phrase from "brink of total collapse" to " brink of major reset."

Posted by: imo | Jan 13 2020 23:49 utc | 82
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Do you know what I was talking about? Either you are pretending to not know, or you actually don't know?

I do not talk about 'economics' that fools waste money on by studying at Harvard.

I talk about COLLAPSE. Serious real-time death-dealing COLLAPSE. As in the shelves at the Super-Market are totally EMPTY. Not some economistic mathematical fairytale. Real in-mouth food insecurity. Right here. In the USSA. Soon.

I certainly don't want this. But the genuinely smart people are predicting it. Don't think we are in need of distractions?

Posted by: blues | Jan 14 2020 12:17 utc | 132

blues i think that is realistic. i just don't know the time frame, and don't know what to do to prepare for it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2020 12:35 utc | 133

I remember some people here just a few months ago that believed Russia would back Iran in a war with the US and attacked anyone when they disproved their claim.
Obviously these people were wrong but hopefully they learnt by their mistake.

Globalresearch have a new topic on this myth after the killing of Soleimani, well worth the time to read for those that believe Russia and Iran are allies and deny the strong relationship Russia have with Israel.

Russia’s Unspoken Relationship With Israel and the Assassination of Maj. Gen. Soleimani

The language employed by President Putin and his government in response to Major General Soleimani‘s assassination is unmistakably less emotional than the eulogies that he gave after the passing of Ariel Sharon, Shimon Peres, and Bush Sr., but this was to be expected since Iran isn’t Russia’ “close ally” like many have falsely claimed whereas the Russian leader has been consistently seeking closer relations with “Israel” and the US since the beginning of the century and thus has an interest in openly mourning the deaths of their former leaders whom he had earlier befriended on a very close personal level.
This surprised many in the Alt-Media Community who have been indoctrinated with the fake news narrative that Russia and Iran are “allies” after their shared struggles in jointly defeating Daesh in Syria, which is why they eagerly expected an emotional eulogy from either President Putin or his officials.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 14 2020 12:51 utc | 134

I think most of these ideas are well known by Moa readers. The books are still great detailed background:

financial matters May 5, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Western countries would often come into these resource rich countries and develop the infrastructure to ‘mine’ them and ship them out. Certain elites in these countries were made rich. The money was not used to develop the local economies but rather that labor was exploited. And they took out loans denominated in US dollars instead of using their own currency.

Cheap employment was found in China, again exploiting labor while making certain exporters rich.

The US came in to supply the markets for these goods helped by the fact that it had the global currency. This hurt its domestic markets for production again exploiting labor. Money that could have been used to build factories was used for asset appreciation. This caused the wage destruction to become less noticeable especially for those able to leverage this asset appreciation which included much of the ‘middle class’ as long as it lasted. It ended with the banks being bailed out and given the assets.

That’s my short version anyway.

For a more detailed examination I would suggest Michael Hudson

SuperImperialism (1972), Global Fracture (1977). Trade, Development and Foreign Debt (1992, updated 2009) and the recent Bubble and Beyond (2012)

His current essays are every bit as good:

Michael Hudson describes it well as the Iran Derangement Syndrome

General Michael Flynn opposed the Obama led war in Syria and this seemed to auger well when Trump first picked him as a top national security adviser. There seemed to be split in the intelligence services.

But interestingly both Flynn and Trump at the time still had a strong case of Iran Derangement Syndrome.

From Hudson:

""Suleimani was killed because he had been invited by Iraq’s government to help mediate a rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia.""

""Both the Oil lobby and the Military-Industrial Complex obtain huge economic benefits from the Saudis.""

I agree with Hudson that Russia, China and Iran are developing good alternatives to the US dollar and that we will see the USD lose its power to deliver economic sanctions both at home (austerity measures) and abroad. One problem he sees with the restoration of the domestic inequality problem is the lack of an effective left-wing socialist alternative to neoliberalism.

One thing I find interesting over the last several days since the Suleimani murder is the extensive manipulation of social media that was attempted. Facebook, Instagram and Twitter were extensively targeted to remove anything that was pro Suleimani.

But it seems that the solidarity and strength of the Resistance movement is too strong for this feeble effort.

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 12 2020 12:02 utc | 148

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 14 2020 13:09 utc | 135

"The idea to kill Soleimani, a regular General in an army with which the U.S. is not at war"

Not a 'regular' State Actor General, but a Transcendent (IRGC) Actor with the Islamo-transnational, world-conquering mission of Dar al Harb (House of War).

The intramural tensions between the state organs of Iran (the separate, conventional military for example) and the revolutionary mission of the IRGC have been largely glossed. Instead the debate tends to endorse the false monoliths of America and Iran. The America Deep State and the IRGC have extra-national mission parallels. Both seek to transcend the more pragmatic concerns that of necessity preoccupy the Ships of State and their actors. Khamenei and Trump share a similar foe in many respects. The Swiss back-channel facilitates dialogue between these two formal State Leaders Both want a revised JCPOA. Both may be kept from it by their respective Deep States.

Posted by: FSD | Jan 14 2020 13:16 utc | 136

Zanon @ 134

This, history, would tend to possibly suggest otherwise.

Posted by: Seer | Jan 14 2020 13:37 utc | 137

New Dimensions of Ukrainian Airplane Incident in Tehran; US Footprint Brighter than Ever.
According to available information, few after Iran’s missile attacks on US terrorist forces in Iraq, the US reconnaissance aircraft “Rivet Joint”, started the simulation of cruise missiles firing to some targets in center of Iran.
The aircraft is the same aircraft that after downing of US MQ-4C UAV above the Hormoz strait by Iran’s defence system, flew above the Iranian islands Abu Musa and Siri the night before the July 4th (US Independence Day) and with changing its flight ID to an Iranian aircraft, provoked the Iranian air defense to attack and create widespread tension in the region. Anyway…
In fact, the Americans have acted against Iran’s defense system to mislead it; but it’s not the all of story!
What indicates the depth of disaster and US evil, is the changing the identification of a passenger aircraft to a cruise missile!
Perhaps, it’s a question for many people that why and how this cameraman was exactly in the right place and right time, and has set his camera exactly on that part of sky where the air defence missile hit the plane! And his unusual calmness with zero stress…
But in the next studies, that will be published with more scientific evidences, it will be shown how US Rivet Joint changes the Ukrainian aircraft ID, to a cruise missile, and provides the base for happening this great disaster.
On the other hand, it is increasing this probability that there is someone as a cameraman, that the intended location has been given to him, that be ready in the right time, in the intended place, and focus his camera on Ukrainian plane for filming. Because with doing this evil action and changing the plane’s ID, the possibility of its targetting by air defence systems located in the region, is so high.
And unfortunately this issue is done, due to the inherent duty of the defense systems. And the film of this event published in the anti-Iran government media short after the incident.
It is interesting to note that the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has also issued a warning about an hour and a half before the incident, calling for US commercial and non-commercial aircraft to not fly over Tehran “due to the potential for miscalculation of mis-identification”!
The Qatari Emir’s trip to Iran and rumors about his staggering financial aids to Iran for compensation, are interpretable in this regard. Because Qatar has a major indirect role in this event too and the US has abused of them for advancing its goals.
It is important to be noted that scrutiny of the events such Ukrainian plane crash, and announcing its conclusions in all over the world, usually takes weeks or months. But the commander of IRGC aerospace forces, that couldn’t say clearly many of issues to people because of security affairs, but with honesty and in the lowest possible time, and even before completing the investigations about the case, appears in front of the cameras and announces the targetting the plane by country’s air defence system. Then, this action may be a relief on survivors wound and show that Iran’s military forces are honest to their people.

Posted by: BlueB | Jan 14 2020 13:47 utc | 138

@132 -- chill dude. I do not live in the USA.
I re-read your original (@71) with your comments (@132) in mind and don't see the issue. In any case, it is not worth stressing over -- you are entitled to see "COLLAPSE" whereas I see something a little less dramatic. Venezuela, NK, and several other nation states often have empty shelves in the supermarkets. People suffer and survive. If you are saying the US citizenry are different, then fine, that is some news value if you explain why etc? Quantity of guns are the only thing I can see from way out here beyond the borders.

In any case, perhaps this (below) supports your position?

"Three years ago I published a short article in the science journal Nature. I pointed out that several leading indicators of political instability look set to peak around 2020. In other words, we are rapidly approaching a historical cusp, at which the US will be particularly vulnerable to violent upheaval. This prediction is not a ‘prophecy’. I don’t believe that disaster is pre-ordained, no matter what we do. On the contrary, if we understand the causes, we have a chance to prevent it from happening. But the first thing we will have to do is reverse the trend of ever-growing inequality." (Peter Turchinis Professor of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Connecticut and Vice-President of the Evolution Institute. He wrote War and Peace and War: the Rise and Fall of Empires.)

Posted by: imo | Jan 14 2020 13:49 utc | 139

BlueB | Jan 14 2020 13:47 utc | 137

Any sources available for all this stuff?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 14 2020 14:29 utc | 140

Everyone, including those stupid protesters is clamoring for transparency from Iran. WHAT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FROM TRUMP & CO WHO SET OFF ALL THE BLOWBACK???

Iranian authorities arrested those responsible. Sigh😒...I hope that means the person(s) responsible for not grounding commercial flights and not bothering to communicate flight data with missile operator!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 14 2020 14:48 utc | 141

Many americans do feel despair hopelessness and bewilderment. We know that our establishment (government and corporate) is an evil borg, one that seems increasingly all-powerful and all-knowing. We know that the rich are getting richer while poverty is increasing. We know that many of our fellow citizens have minds embrined in propaganda by the borg. Re. propaganda: the US won this round when the plane went down (no doubt with some help from the US). In the long haul, though, there will be a different impact. The US hasn't been punched in the nose in a looooong time. In time, the fact that this 'red line' has now been crossed will encourage vassal states to think more independently and Americans to reconsider their devotion to global empire.

Posted by: paul | Jan 14 2020 14:53 utc | 142

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 14 2020 14:29 utc | 139

Iranian official statements make most sense just now.

Iran’s president on Tuesday called for a special court with “a ranking judge and dozens of experts” to be set up to probe the incident.

“The responsibility falls on more than just one person,” President Hassan Rouhani said in a televised speech, adding that those found culpable “should be punished.”

“There are others, too, and I want that this issue is expressed honestly,” he said, without elaborating.

Rouhani called the incident “a painful and unforgivable” mistake and promised that his administration would pursue the case “by all means.”

“This is not an ordinary case. The entire the world will be watching this court,” he said.

Judging from the twitter sphere there were kids of some high ranking Iranians on that plane.

Like here @DrSaeedJalili

Saeed Jalili ‏ @DrSaeedJalili 20 Std.Vor 20 Stunden

The father of Mohammad Amin Jebeli, one of those whose lives were lost in #PS572: When I first heard about it, I was shaken, but I've already experienced the 8-years war and I know that in a case of friendly fire, those killed are considered martyrs.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 14 2020 14:58 utc | 143

Pompeo changes tune, gives cover to Trump's 'imminent threat matters not."

Mike Pompeo Shifts Rationale for Soleimani Killing From ‘Imminent’ Threat to Deterrence Strategy

The Trump administration’s initial justification for the 3 January strike that killed Iran’s Soleimani was the threat of “imminent” attacks against American interests. That rationale proved shaky over the past two weeks, with government officials contradicting one another and even themselves.

ODD!!! who was it that pulled the plug?
Yesterday Bojo was reported to have said; please dial back the tensions. A week, a day, is a long time in politics.

after u.s.' allies weak support, and after pressure; UK, France and Germany have triggered the Nuclear Deal Dispute Mechanism:

Last Sunday, French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in a joint statement that they remained committed to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) and urged Tehran to cancel all measures that go against the Iran nuclear deal.

The EU's statement on triggering the nuclear deal dispute mechanism is a passive measure, Iran's Foreign Ministry's spokesman said.

He added that Tehran is ready to welcome any measure based on goodwill to save the 2015 nuclear deal but will decisively respond to any destructive measure against it. [.]

What have those 3 done to save the deal? Mealy mouthing wimps.

@ b, we await your good write-up on this about face.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2020 15:09 utc | 145

Carciofi | Jan 14 2020 15:03 utc | 143

Thanks! But it just writes stuff without any source. Not possible to see from where they got this intelligence. Is this a reliable source?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 14 2020 15:22 utc | 146

lgfocus @120

No, WWIII is not over. Russia, China, Iran, and their allies are still fighting.

And the conflict is not about currency systems. It's about unilateral ("New World Order") vs. multi-lateral global governance.

The unilateralists have shown their hand: it's called "rules-based order". This is a system where the powerful make the rules. It is certainly not democratic.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2020 15:35 utc | 147

PeterAU1 @ 115

Thank you for responding! I am very grateful for all of your knowledgeable texts these last few days. However, you and I have vastly different ideas about what human nature consists of. I base mine on the fact that we still do have a world and a very beautiful one at that. As long as my world is beautiful (and seems to be growing in that respect) I'll stick to my version.

And by the way, hopeful signs for Australia - the truth of global warming is sinking in there. Best wishes for more rain! And more listening to the aborigines as well!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2020 16:25 utc | 148

New Zealand is Australia's offshoot techtonically speaking. Climate-wise experiencing different conditions lately. Each country can learn from the other --- and not just in cricket! So it is with the Sunni and their younger brother Shias. Not a division but a contrast. There are Sunni in harmony with Assad's government. Sunni and Shia were intermarried relatedly before Bush stirred the pot of acrimony. That division is false, even as Christians vs atheists or pagans is a false division. We have more in common than we do separately and division helps promote the cause of pessimistic enmity ongoing forever.

It is false!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2020 16:32 utc | 149

What happens if Iran experiences a Maidan scenario? (may need Google translate)

The article briefly describes the internal dynamics at work, and the likely repercussions afterward. Quite interesting and apparently what the US is trying to accomplish.

Posted by: Flabbergasted | Jan 14 2020 16:44 utc | 150


Posted by: @139 | Jan 14 2020 16:52 utc | 151

@139 | Jan 14 2020 16:52 utc | 150

Thank you for the link. I cannot judge the content in respect of whether it is connected to this given problem of hitting the Ukrainian Boeing. Again: without a short description of what kind of sources you refer to only a broad scepticism remains sticking after reading it.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 14 2020 17:10 utc | 152

added @ 144

Russia reacts; sees unintended consequences:

European States' Decision to Launch Dispute Resolution Mechanism May Doom Iran Nuclear Deal - Moscow

On Tuesday, France, the UK and Germany moved to trigger the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action nuclear deal's dispute mechanism and called on Tehran to cancel any measures which may violate the deal.
Moscow calls on the European parties to the Iran nuclear deal not to escalate tensions and to abandon its decision to trigger the treaty's Dispute Resolution Mechanism, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

We strongly urge the Eurotroika [of parties to the JCPOA] not to inflame tensions and to abandon any steps which call the prospects of the nuclear deal into question. Despite all the challenges it has faced, the JCPOA has not lost its relevance," the ministry said in a statement.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2020 17:13 utc | 153

hey, my comment showed up!

hank you b.. check @ 23 laguerres comment...

barzani is a kleptomaniac who shares the same ideology as usa-israel... it is not surprise he would show no gratitude..

@ juliania.. the usa got taken over by the military complex many years ago.. bolton, pompeo, esper - all the rest of the rot are either military brats, or cia types who come out of the brainwashing school west point... it is bred into them to view other cultures beside the exceptional usa as heathen and worse..or you have an exceptional person like trump who as @ noirette highlights "US biz persons in NY RE, in Florida, (etc.) as well as tv ‘moguls’ and inferior crap like that... i am afraid karlof1 is correct.. this rot is so bad it is not easy to turn it all around... and as @ bevin notes having the usa reliant on israel for anything to do with the middle east has been an ongoing recipe for disaster, but the usa is incapable of separating from israel's folly..

@ red ryder.. thanks for that... i am surprised anyone who takes russia for granted, or as some 2 bit pansy..

here's the article craig murray did discussing the bullshite with the use of the word '''imminent''..
Lies, the Bethlehem Doctrine, and the Illegal Murder of Soleimani

craigs an historian, as opposed to a west point military brat, so what the fuck would he know about this issues right? /s

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2020 19:27 utc | 26

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 17:37 utc | 154

@144 likklemore... they will just go from one lie to the next hoping some lie will stick..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 17:39 utc | 155

The assassination of General Soleimani seemed had more to do with the attempts to settle differences between IRI and KSA. This must have scared the crap out of the empire. Now;

the saudi trainers are getting deported. Seems, the empire is wiping the saudi royals back in line.

Posted by: Rd | Jan 14 2020 17:45 utc | 156

@ rd... the usa is deep in bed with ksa... they will do everything to shield ksa of any negative press.. meanwhile people saw how ksa treated kashoggi and that image isn't going away any time soon... the usa is full of shite with regard to who the good and bad players are here... or - you are a good player if you go along with the usa bs and not if you don't..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 17:49 utc | 157

Thanks for the many replies on numerous topics!

It's clear I haven't done as good a job as I might in explaining why I see Hudson's Bronze Age political-economy work as important as I do, while others remain bewildered. I'll make another attempt:

When we read Hudson, we learn about a great many interrelated things that we may not have previously seen as such. For me, the great effort engaged in to manipulate the teaching of political-economy and economics such that extortive Finance Capitalism is made to be seen as a norm instead of an ill that was targeted for expurgation is paramount since as we learn from the Bronze Age history that enlightened humans saw its malevolence and the injury it caused to normality and thus the need for the corrective mechanism of Debt Forgiveness--the mechanism overtly fought against by the Financial Elites over the past 3,000+ years that effectively enslaved the masses and stifled human creativity/innovation. The basic economic cycles that arose during the Bronze Age are in their essence no different from those of today, particularly in the way debt accumulation inhibits economic growth. (The debate about the efficacy of economic growth on a finite planet is another topic, but it ought to be plain to see that you cannot have any type of steady-state economy with the sort of debt growth favored by those favoring Financial Capitalism.)

Hudson's adamant that along with Imperialism the bane of our times is the dominance of Financial Capitalism--a form of Capitalism that's more akin to Feudalism, the latter being the scourge all Classical Economists aimed at expunging from political-economy. Marx favored the rise of Industrial Capitalism because he saw it leading to its antithesis--Socialism--yet he also saw Finance Capitalism for what it is--the resurgence of Feudalism, which would aim again to enslave humanity and own everything thus ushering another Dark Age. Beginning in the 1870s, the Reaction by those aimed for expurgation began their Counterrevolution by gaining control over educational institutions and publishing houses so they could censor the works of the Classical Economists and promote the benefits of Finance Capitalism for those wanting to get rich and to control governments--for government control would ensure only laws benefitting Finance Capitalism would be enacted, thus negating the rising numbers of attempts to do so as the 19th Century came to a close. The Depression was the first sign of Finance Capitalism's malevolence and WW2 plus Keynesianism delayed Finance Capitalism's resurgence. Enter the Randians and Monetarists along with the mechanisms the Outlaw US Empire was using to maintain and expand its global quest for total control and Neoliberalism was birthed which then gave rise to its counterpart--not its opponent--neoconservatism.

IMO, Hudson's trying to connect the historical dots. He also sees the great if currently latent power that could be harnessed by the believers in the Abrahamic religions for a political revolution IF they could/would accept the fact of an Historical Jesus who championed the return to economic--and thus societal--renewal through the use of the debt forgiveness aspects present within Mosaic Law, that was the previous Law of the Land for centuries. His now longstanding mantra--Debts that can't be repaid won't--and his prescription for the method to solve that problem are a prerequisite for a return to Industrial Capitalism that will eventually result in the Socialism required to establish and allow Steady-State economies to function properly. It ought to be clear to one and all that the Climate Crisis cannot be fought while Finance Capitalism's in ascendance as it's timeframe is so short term--one quarter to the next--that it's 100% useless for any sort of planning.

Well, I tried. Three dense paragraphs probably isn't enough, but it seemed a response of some sort was being asked for; so, it is what it is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2020 18:06 utc | 158

@139 @150

Thank you.

The relevance seems clear. @139 provides info that shows that the capability exists to manipulate ADS.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2020 18:09 utc | 159

Trump….has finally cracked and is now very much in need of retirement from the highpressure stage of politics in a time of potential war. juliana @ 11.

Had a similar impression, amongst some possibles. Was before we knew that the assassination had been planned for a long time and would be GO “if Americans died” (how the one Iraqi-American died i leave aside.) In short, this was another ‘deal’ or agreement… which DT then ‘honored’ so to speak. Remember Obama’s red line re. chem. attacks? - He managed at least once to deny a chem attack took place.. Not that it mattered at all in the long run ..

It appears to me that what is fed to the public is one narrative, as plain and self-serving as possible, resting on the simplest of scripts, tailored to suit the mindset of a vengeful (and abused) 5-year-old, while behind the scenes much is going on which we can’t guess at. Hmm no: 5 year-olds have a very good grasp of Fairness and can distinguish between ‘intent’ and ‘result.’

For ex. killing Soleimani - who allegedly was quite good at fighting jihadists - ISIS - taliban / etc. - is a clear reversal of Trump’s public anti-djihadist-terrorist promises and policy. Therefore, it was necessary to immediately brand Sol. a ‘terrorist’ and talk of attacks on Americans, embassies, etc. (>> the Base.)

Note, since Trump is Prez. there have been no ‘islamic / djihadist’ terrorist attacks in the US -

- afaik, and I am discounting ‘lone nuts’ who self-radicalized, so to speak, e.g. Oct 2017 pick up truck ramming in NY…what one calls ‘terrorist’ is of course moot. The Las Vegas shooting is imho an exception, but clearly nobody in Vegas, nor the FBI - CIA - other, nor Trump - watch his speech about it - were willing to divulge anything or investigate at all - it was labelled ‘lone nut Paddock’, when it is certainly was nothing of the kind.

So, a lot is going on behind the curtain. Idk enough about Soleimani, or internal Iran politics, to speculate, but I would guess that there is oppo between various factions (not just USA + W lovers, 5th column, etc. but that there are ‘deals’ waiting in the wings, see e.g. Trump calling for ‘direct negotiations,’ etc.)

I’m not claiming Trump is playing 4D chess, or has any good intentions towards the ME, merely that the fog of non-trad-war is impenetrable for us at the mo.

Trump on LV attack, stressed out and empty words.

Juliana: What I said before I will say again. Something happened to crack the presidential facade and turn him from clown to fanatic - in other words, instead of resisting the crazies,(as ineffectively as maybe that occurred) he joined them, went beyond them. Out crazied them. So now, he's dangerously unstable. He can, he might, go over the edge.

Maybe. Yesss....(scary)

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 14 2020 18:10 utc | 160

Can't see that this has been posted.
Sorry if its a duplicate.
Trudeau is blaming Trump for the shooting down of the Ukrainian passenger plane.
I think we would all concur.

Posted by: Emily | Jan 14 2020 18:13 utc | 161

Right now, in the European Parliament, debate on the situation in Iran and Iraq after the killing of Soleimani...

Heard the representatives of tha Italian Republic ( especially shameful at 35:40 minute footage intervention..), gets clear that this far-right government is a puppet of the Trump administration, keeping repeating the same labels, slanders and plain lies the WH has been spreading non stop to justIfy the heinous crime they commited against the commader, diplomat and main head of the fight against IS in the ME....

"Head of Islamic fundamentalism" and "killing of Soleimani is a good news" were heard from the mouth of the Italian neofascists ....


As a proof, if more was needed, of the obvious socialist characteristics ( at economic level..) of the Iranian of the reasons they are being attacked so harsh

Soon to be held elections in Emilia-Romagna, one of the wealthiest regions in italy, curiously where Novecento was filmed... Salvini has a chance, due the bad performance of Italian economy, but also the possibility to be defeated by "the sardine movement"...

Avanti popolo!..

Solidarietà con i fratelli Iraniani!

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 14 2020 18:33 utc | 162

@157 karlof1... you are highly valued here at moa.. that goes without saying.. i appreciate all your posts and your encouragement to read hudson and etc.. etc.. thanks!

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 18:43 utc | 163

@ 160 emily.. thanks. it was shared as a reuters story yesterday here at moa.. i wish cbc would pick it up.. instead they are airing the former pm harper and his neo con ideology.. he was the pm in canada who shut the embassy in iran down like a good soldier for usa-israel...

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 18:45 utc | 164

Magnier tweets:

"All groups will stand behind Sayyed Moqtada al-Sadr @Mu_AlSadr and will be responding to his call to protest against the #US presence in #Iraq & assassinations.

"This is big. This unity never happened in Iraq in support of Sayyed Moqtada."

Other info precedes this tweet and more will likely follow.

As for the Qatar-Iran talks, their substance is likely related to some form of action that we'll only learn about when it occurs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2020 18:46 utc | 165

James@162 - +1 from me

Many are appreciated here, yourself included.
I am learning new information at a rate I haven't experienced since my usual last-minute panics at university come exam-season.

"I love deadlines. I really like the whooshing sound they make as they go by."
- Douglas Adams

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 14 2020 18:59 utc | 166

"The man who knows too much about Russia" is saying in his last article that b is a "US military analyst"...

May be is it that he is the man who knows very few about the US?? or what?

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 14 2020 19:07 utc | 167

Hausmeister | Jan 14 2020 15:22 utc | 145

With no sources it's not much to go on. Until there's further confirmation I wouldn't consider the report reliable. I wonder if anything incriminating could be revealed by the black boxes. If the plane was hacked by the U.S. could the information in the black boxes also have been compromised and simply mirror the hacked data?

Posted by: Carciofi | Jan 14 2020 19:10 utc | 168

I always have thought Moqtada Al Sdr has all the stare of a badass and also I did not like his role during the past revolts...but after seeing this unique photo of him laughing...I am going to rethink everything about him...pero si parece un cachondo el tío!V

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 14 2020 19:13 utc | 169

@ Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 5:19 utc | 119

You might try his recent books J is for Junk Economics and Killing the Host, which are less important works than Super Imperialism but quite good and eminently more readable than ...and forgive them their debts.

Posted by: AshenLight | Jan 14 2020 19:14 utc | 170

@ Karlof1

Good move by the PMU and Shia parties, because Moqtada Al Sadr is less suspect, for the Iraqi people, to be merely a puppet of the Iranians, and they need a united Iraqi front against USA and the "coalition partners" (vassals). In the first step, in Iraq, the fight (political and if requiredm military) must be made by Iraqis, otherwise Iraqi people will see the Iranian as another occupation force (as USA + vassals)

Anyhow Moqtada will have to be careful, now the hunting season for Shia commanders and leaders is open, and the drones are still flying freely in the Iraqi airspace.

Posted by: DFC | Jan 14 2020 19:15 utc | 171

And also Trump said he ordered to kill Soleimani because he was who ordered the killing of US soldiers, but everyone know that Moqtada was the leader of a Shia uprising against the US troops and many US soldiers died then, so may be US decided that now is the right time Moqtada pay his crimes against the American troops. Also Al Mahdi could be targeted if he speak too much, and if somehing "wrong" happens from the Iraqi government, the USA has all the gold and all the accounts of the Iraqi Treasure, they will starve to death all the Iraqi people if a "bad move" is made, by Iraq

Of course next steps are more sanctions by the US "vassals" and a complete economic embargo of Iran, as if necessary, Iraq, and let the internal social situation deteriorate and a mor "friendly" political party take the power (like in Serbia after the 1999 bombing)

Posted by: DFC | Jan 14 2020 19:30 utc | 172

In response to Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2020 18:06 utc | 157

latent power that could be harnessed by the believers in the Abrahamic religions for a political revolution IF they could/would accept the fact of an Historical Jesus who championed the return to economic--and thus societal--renewal through the use of the debt forgiveness aspects present within Mosaic Law, that was the previous Law of the Land for centuries.

I find this very interesting. Hudson is clearly very smart and well-read, with an amazing history of being present at the inflection points of his time. Raised by Trotskyists, in this interview he tells his tale. "when I grew up I was supposed, expected to lead a revolution if conditions were right."

He worked on Wall Street as a young economist, examining the US foreign trade debt that resulted from first the Korean and then the ongoing Vietnam wars, where US dollars were spent in foreign countries to supply food and support for US troops. In fact he wrote the book that became the template for US dollar hegenomy, explaining that the (perhaps unintended) result of Nixon's rejection of gold-backed US dollars in favor of fiat dollars (money printed out of thin air) was that the US dollars spent overseas needed to be re-invested in US Treasury bills to retain their value.

This we know, but Hudson knew it first.

As you have said before, Hudson is aging and may feel some urgency to complete his mission. I feel some confliction over his means, since his vision can be, already has been capitalized on by the forces he opposes. Yet what else is there besides telling the truth? Hudson also appears to live well, his brains and education have supported his success.

The main point I have is that Hudson's collaborative research and publishing about debt forgiveness as an historic fact, basic to Abrahamic cultures including Christianity, Judaism and Islam, may be a very direct and simple route to a better understanding of the sin of financialism.

The parable about Jesus throwing over the tables of moneychangers in the temple is completely relevant here.

Mark 11: 11-9 he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves; and he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. He was teaching and saying, "Is it not written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations'? But you have made it a den of robbers."

Here in North America and the West in general, there are many pious believers in the teachings of Jesus.

I wonder if Michael Hudson is on to something?

Posted by: jonku | Jan 14 2020 19:47 utc | 173


Everyone likes a winner. After what happened in Iran recently, the Euro twits think Trump is going to win.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2020 19:52 utc | 174

Posted by: Daniel Lennon | Jan 14 2020 19:55 utc | 174

With all due respect, you need to do more homework in distinguishing those ex-pats... just like with Venzuela, Cuba, Bolivia and elsewhere I'm sure, there were/are population segments (elite) that profited from raping & pillaging a given country's resources, while the rest (indigenous) got squat or worse. So when when a populist leader gets into power and nationalizes those industries thereby sending the pillagers packing, many of the elite left too, as they could afford it, since the gravy train ended. So there they sit in other countries griping about how bad their homeland has become. In the mean-time, the little people back home prospered, to an extent... for example Chavez gave a lot of money from those nationalized resources back to the people, thereby reducing poverty and increasing literacy (well documented).

And before throwing stones at "gross religious dictatorships" you might wanna look at the state of affairs back home first

A simple tally of who invaded/regime changed other countries over the last several decades will tell you who the real threat is, and it's not Iran, as their tally in that department is zero.

Posted by: xLemming | Jan 14 2020 20:12 utc | 175

Posted by: DFC | Jan 14 2020 19:30 utc | 171

You are delusional and i noticed that several times. Intelligent person, but still delusional.

>>US decided that now is the right time Moqtada pay his crimes against the American troops.

Those were not "crimes", the US was an occupation force in Iraq.

You sound like another crazed american who does not understand the failure of colonialism, what happened to past colonial empires, and why the US is next. If the US wants to try colonialism and occupation in modern conditions it will simply bury itself. Colonialism in today's world does not work due to globalisation and thus proliferation of weapons technologies and technological knowledge. It is simply becoming easier and easier to resist larger powers - with the spread of attack drones, advanced EFP IEDs, manpads, and long range cruise missiles. Not to mention the youth buldge in many "third world" countries which makes occupation very hard.

>>Also Al Mahdi could be targeted if he speak too much

If this happens there will be huge uprising against the US in Iraq. Not sure even the Embassy will stay there. And Iraq has young, combat ready and rising population.

>>and if somehing "wrong" happens from the Iraqi government, the USA has all the gold and all the accounts of the Iraqi Treasure, they will starve to death all the Iraqi people if a "bad move" is made, by Iraq

You forgot that Iraq has large oil and gas reserves, and the world wants them. It is a strategic country, not simply Serbia. All the US companies contracts will be lost and will be given to others. It is not a one way street and the iraqis clearly said that if this happens, it will be the end of any US influence in Iraq. Iraq already gave the reconstruction contracts to China. Russia and China will fully move there, military and economic wise. Not to mention that this will threaten investment in all kinds of US assets. And Iraq could sell their oil in euros.

>>Anyhow Moqtada will have to be careful, now the hunting season for Shia commanders and leaders is open, and the drones are still flying freely in the Iraqi airspace.

Iraq has decided to buy capable anti-air at any price, no matter what. Most likely Russian S-400.

>>Of course next steps are more sanctions by the US "vassals" and a complete economic embargo of Iran, as if necessary, Iraq, and let the internal social situation deteriorate and a more "friendly" political party take the power

You don't know much about Europe then, they are very keen on the iraqi market. So there will be no european sanctions on Iraq. France just sold radars to Iraq. European resistance to the US iraqi fiasco should have taught you something about Euro - Iraqi relations.

As for things deteriorating in Iraq - not under current conditions - where the US economy is declining, and the asian economy is rising. Asia needs oil and gas. Lots of it. It will be there. Europe too. The US is isolated on Iraq. And it has no more than 5 years, before it starts choking on its own debt. Not enough time to do something serious to Iraq or Iran. Its not 1990s anymore, aging cowboy. It is an era of rising multipolarity.

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 14 2020 20:18 utc | 176

A good chance whoever made that video of the missile strike was part of the operation.
Much video quickly made its way out of Iran to NYT and so forth.
Iran made two PR mistakes. First the government saying the plane had not been shot down, then when they realised it had, taking all blame on themselves before investigating why communications had gone down and why the camera man was pointing his camera at that section of dark sky when the missile hit. There was also the false targets appearing on radar screens. All this should have been thoroughly investigated before any public announcement.
Now, the euro twits sensing weakness in Iran, are enacting the snapback provisions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2020 20:25 utc | 177

all i know about you, daniel lennon, is that you are spewing the same empire propaganda as trump, the democrats, and the msm. iran is not the aggressor here, and i suspect you know that.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2020 20:32 utc | 178

Peter AU1 @181: Now, the euro twits sensing weakness in Iran ...

Nah. I'd guess it was always planned. They were just look for (or planning) the most opportune time.

(We're not supposed to think such negative thoughts of our dear leaders.)


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2020 20:36 utc | 179

Dan | Jan 14 2020 20:29 utc | 183

Ok, let us always view the facts. But all facts, please. No, I am not a defender on any "Islamic" state. But to reject this aspect is only one detail in the larger picture. I do not forget that it was the West who encouraged "our" gangster Hussein to start a war with Iran. Knowing that the interior situation would get harsh, thus lowering the appeal of the "revolution". Life is just not fair.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 14 2020 20:41 utc | 180

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 14 2020 20:36 utc | 179

The EU is degenerate, but europeans also like comfortable life.

The tension between these two factors is enough to explain european foreign politics.

It secretly hates multipolarity due to its internal degeneration and psychological castration, seeing multipolarity as illiberal, and thus threatening to ultimately lead to illiberals taking power within the EU.

Thus it will stab Russia, China or Iran the moment it is safe to do so (due to its hidden hatred for their illiberalism), yet it will also stab the US in the back the moment it is safe to do so and it is about making some money.

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 14 2020 20:49 utc | 181

@ 166 Jon_in_AU.. thanks.. back at ya!~

@ 173 jonku... hudson is definitely onto something.. as i mention in the new thread, this is all about private finance killing the planet..

@ 176 paser by.. i came to a similar conclusion on the poster you note..

@ 177 peter au.. i agree with @ 179 jr.. this has been in the plans for sometime.. we are now in ww3, just not everyone can see it. the responsibility lands on the wests doorstep without a doubt.. most people are too propagandized to see it too...

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 20:52 utc | 182

@Passer by

No, I am not american, I am spanish, and I want to play the "devil's advocate" role to test some hypothesis, and to express what the actors I think could think. Also I like to troll a bit ;)

I really think to put Moqtada as leader of the new Iraqi uprising against the US is a very clever move, but again the blackmailing and the threats, by the US will be huge, and also, as Attorney General Barr said: the killing of Suleimani was legal under the US legislation, so the killing of any subject that has ordered a fight against american troops could be "legally" targeted; well OK, this is a trick to scare the Shia parties, but I also think it will not work.

In fact I think that now politically and militarily Iran and the Shia parties in Iraq are in a much more stronger position than USA and his vassals in the ME, and in a all-out war against Iran, USA would lost really badly; of course with huge human costs to Iraq and Iran no doubt, but could easily means the end of US as a united country.

But for the moment the popularity of Trump in USA is skyrocketing, and if nothing very bad happens to the US troops in the ME, he will crush Democrats in the coming US election.


Posted by: DFC | Jan 14 2020 21:15 utc | 183

@124 psychedelicatessen

You aren't the only person to query that. I just didn't have the nerve to bring it up. As for the ring he did wear a few so that is not definitive. But look at the hand. Looks to me like living flesh with blood circulating. And it is the only, we are told, unique and only, identifier. Supposedly severed but the sleeve is intact and then out of frame. I also tried to pull up photos of crash scene but you just can't tell. The main agencies are using file photos of half a dozen different burned out cars as the Soleimani car. What is common to Hellfire attacks is no remains to be found. Too hot. Engine blocks still glowing red hot by time photogs arrive. No soft pieces of anything. So if the miraculously thrown clear hand is the only identifier for Soleimani how all the certain knowledge of other occupants? I can't even begin a speculation about how all the pieces fit together but am just not willing to accept the given story. As usual it all stinks.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 14 2020 21:24 utc | 184

"and also, as Attorney General Barr said: the killing of Suleimani was legal under the US legislation" usa law is not international law... although i am sure the exceptional nation would like everyone on the planet to think it is.. it isn't.. they can call assange, or whoever they want a terrorist, doesn't make them a terrorist... this is all bs personified by the gratuitous nation to the south of me..

Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 21:42 utc | 185

>>And I want to play the "devil's advocate" role to test some hypothesis

I like a lot that too, so you found someone similar to you then. But i do that because i fear cognitive dissonance, or underestimating opponents. I need to be sure of things and that can only be done when i wargame the other side and place myself in their shoes.

So you are doing a good devil's advocate and are a good opponent in this, i will give you that.

As for Trump, it remains to be seen, i still think that women do not like him and there will be more minorities than in the past, economy will be weakening too in 2020, so even if he wins this will massively divide the US.


Posted by: Passer by | Jan 14 2020 21:49 utc | 186

Jackrabbit and james

My thought is the EU was trying to straddle the fence until they could see which way the wind was blowing. Perhaps not wanting to burn their bridges with Iran incase Iran prevailed.
But then, perhaps all they were waiting for was the right PR so they could take the majority of voters with them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2020 21:59 utc | 187

james @185--

No, the murder of Soleimani most definitely is not legal, as the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause suborns it to the UN Charter. Plus, the Bill of Rights still applies when it comes to Due Process Rights and the right to a jury trial, amongst others. Laws may have been enacted, but the Constitutionality and thus their legality has yet to be proven and IMO they most certainly are not. When you read the Declaration of Independence, it becomes quite clear such arbitrary use of force and its attempted legitimization were one of a number of points related to Executive Power that the Colonists informed the world they were rebelling against. Barr clearly doesn't even know the own history of his nation nor the basis of its laws and he's the Fucking Attorney General!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He ought to be wrung up on articles of impeachment just for those remarks alone!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2020 22:33 utc | 188

karlof1 @ 158 I hope you did not think I was disagreeing with Prof. Hudson's assertions about debt relief - I agree with him wholeheartedly on that. And indeed, I also believe that Jesus in his first sermon was relying on what was a common Judaic practice, the jubilee year. He was using that common understanding in his sermon yes, but he was also giving a sermon and taking it further, which is not something that Prof. Hudson as an economist needs to concern himself with.

That is my only disagreement with him, and I understand that he doesn't need to have an argument about it as his main point is for the jubilee year and forgiveness of debts to be a keystone of economic practise from way back in order to prevent the system from collapsing. I agree with him on that, and it is one reason why I remain hopeful that such an occurrence may bring this country to its knees with a little help from the Chinese and the Russians in moving away from dollar dependency.

That's different, though, from seeing everything going so badly to rack and ruin that the only alternative is a nuclear one or indeed a violent one of any sort. To me, that is madness.

My disagreement with Prof. Hudson is that he unfortunately only sees a very important prayer to Christians in economic terms, which really doesn't make sense. I'm happy to say that yes, God uses that same good practise the ancient Hebrews used to make a point about how we should behave towards one another in order to have Him forgive us -- unfortunately Prof. Hudson, not being Christian, can't accept that. I accept his economics though!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2020 22:55 utc | 189

@ Posted by: james | Jan 14 2020 21:42 utc | 185

Of course the AG declaration are means to calm the officers and soldiers who could be prosecuted for this kind of target murder of alien government officials; if an outlaw order is issued the soldiers could refuse to do ans ask for a written order, this complicate a lot the chain of orders (as in the film "Paths of Glory").
Now they have the green light from their own government to make any killing they would asked without problem, because the only justice they are affrarid is the US justice, they have full inmunity in the rest of countries

Posted by: DFC | Jan 14 2020 23:10 utc | 190

karlof1, it is only a problem the way Prof. Hudson has framed it.

"...He also sees the great if currently latent power that could be harnessed by the believers in the Abrahamic religions for a political revolution IF they could/would accept the fact of an Historical Jesus who championed the return to economic--and thus societal--renewal through the use of the debt forgiveness aspects present within Mosaic Law, that was the previous Law of the Land for centuries..."

You see the problem in how he phrases this for Christians. In no way do we understand Jesus to be championing debt relief as his 'cause'. He simply says, in answer to the question 'How should we pray?' that we can ask God to forgive us if we have forgiven others. Unfortunately Prof. Hudson doesn't present it in that manner. But that's the fact Christians can accept, that what he takes as his heading is indeed a prayer, and the basic prayer for all Christians.

He, Prof. Hudson, should and does champion that important economic fact! Bravo to him for doing so.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 14 2020 23:18 utc | 191

I have no problem believing that Iran's leaders are "bad." That isn't the problem of anyone but the people in that country.

Assuming that the Iranian leadership is "bad," there is no mechanism by which a foreign country can replace the "bad" leaders with "good" ones, especially not through economic and military warfare.

Moreover, as "bad" as they may or may not be, they are not trying to destroy they country through the aforementioned forms of warfare, which surely must count for something in their favor.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Jan 14 2020 23:24 utc | 192

karlof1 188

He quite likely does know the law well but also the best ways around it.

That has happened here in a big way with land titles. A court case in the 1930s 'Commonwealth vs NSW' when the commonwealth was taking land from NSW for the Australian capital territory defined the old legal term 'Estate in Fee Simple' which is on many land titles in some states of Australia.
What it means is, the crown owns the volumetric area within the title, but the title holder owns all rights within that area apart from any stipulated in caveats. Parliament can make laws to compulsory acquire some or all of those rights.
With zoning government told us we owned the land not the rights. Basicly just the surface of the soil. many rights were arbitrarily taken away with no compensation not even a law for confiscation. They simply told everyone they didn't own the rights and took them away.
Some of the environmental zoning was the worst. the Property owner must undertake all costs associated with maintenance and protection, with only the right to walk on that area.

But yeah, they knew exactly what they were doing. Government did not have the finance to compulsory acquire all those right and passing laws to confiscate those rights was politically unfeasible, so they just told us we did not own those rights.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2020 0:07 utc | 193

juliania @191--

I should make it clear that the positions I ascribe to Dr. Hudson aren't those he's actually told to me--they're presumptions based on the premises he's laid down in his resulting proofs. How would him and Dr. Albert Schweitzer--one of the world's foremost exegetes--deal with these issues? We'll never know, of course, but we might infer based upon the well known positions held by Dr. Schweitzer. One point Dr. Hudson makes about how the New Testament's written is he sees it as the writers feeling that they themselves then were entering the End Times--that Armageddon and the Rapture weren't events to happen in some later centuries, but were rapidly approaching.

He says he has more to write and publish, so perhaps he'll make his position clearer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 15 2020 0:21 utc | 194

oldhippie @184

A common denominator among planned violent events, is the unspoken premise which immediately shapes further narrative. Ideally a false dichotomy is established from the outset. Epstein died, therefore either suicide or homicide. One had better look pretty wearing tin-foil to question that he died. Accepting the premise that hijacked passenger airplanes took down WTC1 and WTC2, leads away from an inside job conclusion. It takes a lot of retrospective to overcome selected visual evidence. Trump said U.S. killed Soleimani "to stop a war". That he died either to instigate or to stop, is again a false dichotomy shaped by the unspoken acceptance this event occurred as stated and shown. Note that the MSM has already memory-holed Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, and any other people purported to have been with them.

Posted by: psychedelicatessen | Jan 15 2020 1:36 utc | 195

Trump got rid of the 21 Saudi trainees ON THE SLY so Americans don't notice too much the glaring contradiction: that he's tight with a country that hates Americans and whose citizens have proven again and again how much they hâte them...a lot!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 15 2020 4:59 utc | 196

The German Internet publication Telepolis tries to summarize the event:
"Ukrainische Maschine wurde von zwei Raketen getroffen
15. Januar 2020 Florian Rötzer“ (Source
2 rockets had hit the plane.
A German author, Klaus Fejsa (Link to his YouTube clip, argues like this as well. Fits to the mentioned article of Sputnik News. Key seems to be how the plane got fire first and how it can be explained that at night in the middle of nowhere a guy puts his camera exactly to the correct point.
As far as I learnt here the first hit may have been done with a manpad. That the regime would not like to accept such an admission was foreseeable. Clever intrigue. But one major fault: "Christiaan Triebert, the NY Times’ video expert,..." was senior investigator at Bellingcat, this MI6-creature. According to Sputnik News. That means the whole thing was staged.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 15 2020 7:53 utc | 197


Yes Soviet union was not a friend of Israel. The link I posted dealt with with the Russian/Israel relationship of today.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 15 2020 9:01 utc | 198

Breaking: New missile strikes reported at Iraqi military base hosting US forces

I think you can take it that that's going to be a daily event in Iraq from now on.

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 15 2020 9:34 utc | 199

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