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January 06, 2020

Axis Of Resistance Says How It Will Avenge Qassem Soleimani

The media continue to tell fairytales about Qassem Soleimani and about Trump's decision to assassinate him and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. Meanwhile the Resistance Axis announced how it will avenge their deaths.

In their descriptions of Qassem Soleimani U.S. media fail to mention that Soleimani and the U.S. fought on the same side. In 2001 Iran supported the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. It used its good relations with the Hazara Militia and the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, which both the CIA and Iran had supplied for years, to support the U.S. operation. The Wikipedia entry for the 2001 uprising in Herat lists U.S. General Tommy Franks and General Qassem Soleimani as allied commanders.

The collaboration ended in 2002 after George W. Bush named Iran as a member of his "Axis of Evil".

In 2015 the U.S. and Iran again collaborated. This time to defeat ISIS in Iraq. During the battle to liberate Tikrit the U.S. air force flew in support of General Soleimani's ground forces. Newsweek reported at that time:

While western nations, including the U.S., were slow to react to ISIS's march across northern Iraq, Soleimani was quick to play a more public role in Tehran's efforts to tackle the terror group. For example, the commander was seen in pictures with militiamen in the northern Iraqi town of Amerli when it was recaptured from ISIS last September.
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Top U.S. general Martin Dempsey has said that the involvement of Iran in the fight against ISIS in Iraq could be a positive step, as long as the situation does not descend into sectarianism, because of fears surrounding how Shia militias may treat the remaining Sunni population of Tikrit if it is recaptured. The military chief also claimed that almost two thirds of the 30,000 offensive were Iranian-backed militiamen, meaning that without Iranian assistance and Soleimani's guidance, the offensive on Tikrit may not have been possible.

It is deplorable that U.S. media and politicians blame Soleimani for U.S. casualties during the invasion of Iraq. Shia groups caused only 17% of all U.S. casualties and fought, like the Sadr Brigades, without support from Iran. There are also revived claims that Iran provided the Iraqi resistance with Explosive Formed Penetrators used in roadside bombs. But that claim had been proven to be was false more than 12 years ago. The "EFP from Iran" story was part of a U.S. PSYOPS campaign to explain away the real reason why it was losing the war. There were dozens of reports which proved that the EFPs were manufactured in Iraq and there never was any evidence that Iran delivered weapons or anything else to the Iraqi resistance:

Britain, whose forces have had responsibility for security in southeastern Iraq since the war began, has found nothing to support the Americans' contention that Iran is providing weapons and training in Iraq, several senior military officials said.

"I have not myself seen any evidence -- and I don't think any evidence exists -- of government-supported or instigated" armed support on Iran's part in Iraq, British Defense Secretary Des Browne said in an interview in Baghdad in late August.

Iran is not responsible for the U.S. casualties in Iraq. George W. Bush is. What made Soleimani "bad" in the eyes of the U.S. was his support for the resistance against the Zionist occupation of Palestine. It was Israel that wanted him 'removed'. The media explanations for Trump's decision fail to explain that point.

The New York Times reported yesterday that Trump picked the 'wrong' item from a list of possible courses of action that the military had presented him. That sounded like bullshit invented to take blame away from Trump and to put it onto the military.

The Washington Post reports today that the idea to kill Soleimani came from Secretary of State Pompeo:

Pompeo first spoke with Trump about killing Soleimani months ago, said a senior U.S. official, but neither the president nor Pentagon officials were willing to countenance such an operation.
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[This time o]ne significant factor was the “lockstep” coordination for the operation between Pompeo and Esper, both graduates in the same class at the U.S. Military Academy, who deliberated ahead of the briefing with Trump, senior U.S. officials said. Pence also endorsed the decision, but he did not attend the meeting in Florida.

It is possible that the report is correct but it sounds more like an arranged story to blame Pompeo for the bad consequences Trump's decision will have.

During his election campaign Trump did not even know (vid) who Soleimani was. Someone indoctrinated him. The idea to assassinate Soleimani came most likely from Netanyahoo and must have been planted into Trump's head quite a while ago. Israel could have killed Soleimani several times while he was openly traveling in Syria. It shied away from doing that as it (rightly) feared the consequences. Now the U.S. will have to endure them.

The consequences continue to pile up.

The decision by the Iraqi government and parliament to kick all foreign troops out of the country leaves some flexibility in the timeline. The U.S. and other military are in Iraq under simple agreements that were exchanged between the Iraqi Foreign Ministry and the other sides. The ministry can fulfill the parliament decision by simply writing letters that declare that the agreements end next week. It could also choose to wait until the end of the year. But Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi has publicly declared that he can no longer guarantee the security of foreign troops on Iraqi ground. That makes the issue urgent and it is likely that the troops will leave rather soon.

Trump did not like the idea and threatened Iraq with sanctions:

Speaking to reporters on Air Force One, the U.S. president said: “If they do ask us to leave, if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”

“We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that’s there. It cost billions of dollars to build. Long before my time. We’re not leaving unless they pay us back for it,” Trump said.

The president added that “If there’s any hostility, that they do anything we think is inappropriate, we are going to put sanctions on Iraq, very big sanctions on Iraq.”

There are also some 2,900 Twitter bots who try to let the parliament decision look illegitimate by tweeting "I am Iraqi and parliament doesn't represent me". It is not known if these are Saudi or U.S. bots but their behavior is inauthentic.

There is nothing Trump can do to keep the troops in Iraq. If the Iraqi government does not tell them to leave the Popular Militia Forces will attack the U.S. bases and evict the U.S. military by force. When the U.S. assassinated Soleimani and PMU leader al-Muhandis it made that step inevitable.

Yesterday Iran took a decision to exceed the number of centrifuges that are allowed to run under the JCPOA nuclear agreement which the U.S. has left. The decision had been expected and the Soleimani assassination only accelerated it. Iran took the step under §36 of the agreement which allows Iran to exceed the limits if the other sides of the JCPOA do not stick to their commitments. That means that Iran is still within the JCPOA and that the step is reversible. The IAEA will continue to have access to Iran's sites and will continue to report regularly about Iran's civil nuclear program.

The JCPOA co-signers France, the UK and Germany issued a very unhelpful statement today that puts all blame on Iran and does not even mention the U.S. assassinations of Soleimani.

Iran has not announced what kind of operation it will use to avenge the death of its national hero Qassem Soleimani. It will likely be some asymmetrical operation against the U.S. military somewhere around the globe. It will certainly be a big one.

Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah, a dear friend of Soleimani, announced yesterday that the Resistance Axis will take its own, separate  revenge.


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Here are edited excerpts from Nasrallah's rather long speech (which is worth reading in full):

Today we commemorate Soleimani and al-Muhandis, two great commanders, and their Iraqi and Iranian companions who were martyred in this recent crime. The date of Soleimani's assassination is an inflection point in the history of the region, not just for Iran or Iraq. It is a new beginning.
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Soleimani's assassination isn't an isolated incident. It's the beginning of new American approach to the region. The U.S. carefully weighed what move they could take to reverse all their previous failures. But this wasn't war with Iran. Trump knows war with Iran would be difficult and dangerous. So, what could they do that wouldn't lead to war with Iran? They settled on killing Qassem Soleimani, a central figure in the Resistance Axis.
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Qassem Soleimani was the glue that held the Resistance Axis together, and so they decided to kill him, and to kill him openly, which would also have its psychological impact.
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Our responsibility in the Resistance Axis is divided into three points.
  1. Trump's goal was to terrify us all, and subjugate us. The leadership of Resistance will not waver or back down at all. To the contrary, the martyrdom of Soleimani and Muhandis will only drive us forward.
  2. Resistance must coordinate and become closer, to strengthen itself and its capabilities, because the region is heading toward a new phase.
  3. In terms of response, we have to consider just punishment. In terms of this crime, the one who committed it is known, and must be punished.

Soleimani isn't just an Iranian matter, he is all of the Resistance Axis - Palestine, Lebanon Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, and every country which has supporter and lover of Resistance. The umma. This isn't an Iranian issue alone. Iran can also respond as it pleases, but that response doesn't exempt the Resistance Axis from also responding. Iran won't ask you to do anything - to act or not to act. But Resistance Axis forces must decide how to deal with Soleimani's death.

So, if any Resistance Axis faction avenges his death, that their decision, and Iran isn't behind that. Iran won't ask anything. It's up to us how to respond. Do we content ourselves with mourning and eulogizing? We must all head towards just punishment.

What do we mean by just punishment? Some are saying this must be someone of the same level as Qassem Soleimani - like Chairman of Joint Chiefs, head of @CENTCOM, but there is no one on Soleimani or Muhandis' level. Soleimani's shoe is worth more than Trump's head, so there's no one I can point to to say this is the person we can target.

Just punishment therefore means American military presence in the region, U.S. military bases, U.S. military ships, every American officer and soldier in our countries and regions. The U.S. military is the one who killed Soleimani and Muhandis, and they will pay the price. This is the equation.

I want to be very clear, we do not mean American citizens or nationals. There are many Americans in our region. We don't mean to attack them, and it is wrong to harm them. Attacking US civilians anywhere serves Trump's interests.

The American military institution put itself in the midst of battle by carrying out the assassination.

There are those who will say I'm blowing things out of proportion. I'm not. I'm seeing it as it is. We won't accept our region, its holy places, and natural resources to be handed over to the Zionists.

If the resistance axis heads in this direction, the Americans will leave our region, humiliated, defeated, and terrified. The suicide martyrs who forced the US out of the region before remain. If our region's peoples head in this direction - when the coffins of of U.S. soldiers and officers - they arrived vertically, and will return horizontally - Trump and his admin will know they lost the region, and will lose the elections.

The response to the blood of Soleimani and Al-Muhandis must be expulsion of all U.S, forces from the region. When we accomplish this goal, the liberation of Palestine will become imminent. When US forces leave the region, these Zionists will pack their bags and leave, and might not need a battle with Israel.

General Esmail Qaani, Soleimani's replacement as commander of the Quds Brigade, endorsed Nasrallah's proposal:

Going Underground on RT @Underground_RT - 00:14 UTC · Jan 6, 2020

Esmail Qaani, the new leader of Iran's IRGC Quds Force:
"Our promise is to continue the path of martyr Soleimani. Due to the martyrdom of #Soleimani, our promise will be the expulsion of the US from the region in different steps."

These are not empty threats but a military project that will play out over the next years. I would not bet on the U.S. as the winner of that war.

There were millions of Iranians in the streets of Tehran today to mourn Qassem Soleimani. The Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei shed tears while reciting the funeral prayer (vid). As Ayatollah Khomeini once said: “They call us a nation of tears, but with these tears we overthrew an empire.”

Fereshteh Sadeghi فرشته صادقی @fresh_sadegh - 5:15 UTC · Jan 6, 2020
I was given this poster tonight by 2 young men next to a stand that offered tea and dates to motorists (dates as a sign of mourning in Iran), I want to stick it on my car’s rear window. It reads: A world will avenge you, with hashtag #crushing_response

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There will be hundreds of thousands of volunteers should Iran need them to avenge Soleimani. That is why we predicted that the U.S. will come to regret its evil deed.

And while the situation can be reasonably compared to the build up to the war on Iraq I do not see a war happening. Wars are very risky as the enemy gets a vote. Any war with Iran would likely cost ten thousands of U.S. casualties. Trump is probably not stupid enough to launch such a war and certainly not during an election year.

During his campaign Trump said he wanted the U.S. military out of the Middle East. Iran and its allies will help him to keep that promise.

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Trump is a Jew himself. Like his father Frederick CHRIST Trump Sr, Trump is a Jew pretending, in the service of Jews, to be a Christian. Of course any Jew who matters knows what's up. Jews like this are scattered all over the Western world in critical positions. A past important one was Kennedy killer LBJ. Nancy Pelosi is one. So is Macron. Tsipras who screwed the Greeks. And probably Angela Merkel.

The big Jews have been divided into the dominant Rothschild faction and the hyper-Zionists like Trump and Adelson. The fight is over what to do about Iran. The Rothschilds had their servant Obama put through the Iran nuke deal—at the expense of Israeli lebensraum. (War with Iran was deemed too risky to big Jew private finance.) And the Democrats and intelligence agencies have been working on order to bring Trump down.

Trump was playing Zionism (his core belief) and American heritage nationalism (that he's putting on; he's actually the snake in the poem) against the Rothschild faction—to which he threw every financial sop imaginable, to no avail.

Trump was pulling out of Syria for election purposes, but going against both the Rothschilds and the hyper-Zionists was more than he could manage. He switched, ditching the Deplorables, and possibly uniting the big Jews. The Rothschild's Economist makes it clear that Trump needs to stay in Syria, and that all it will take are small forces. But now he has to stay in Iraq. The military, with their shred of remaining honor have tried to move out, but Trump seems to have calculated that American military honor is a tiny joke against Judaic satanism.

The 'gift' of Golan to Israel was not just for Israel. The Golan oil, controlled by Rothschild, is the deepest seam of petroleum ever seen and said by some industry sources to be bigger than Saudi reserves. Private finance needs this oil for the petro-dollar.

If Soleimani was getting somewhere with rapprochement between Iran and the Saudis, nothing could be worse for the Rothschilds and their petro-Federal Reserve 'dollar'. Trump pulled the trigger on Soleimani for all the big Jews—banksters and hyper-Zionists.

War games have shown that the US cannot win a conventional war against Iran. Iran can halt traffic in the strait and bring the price of oil to $200, imploding the private finance Jews' quadrillions in derivatives. It will have to be the "usable" nukes Trump has had developed for the purpose at great expense.

Putin had held Trump back with a subtle two-part and partly private warning. First, he announced with great solemnity at his 2018 annual public conference, to great applause:

"I believe it as my duty to say this: any use of nuclear weapons of any yield - small, medium or whatever - against Russia or its allies will be regarded as a nuclear attack against our country. Retaliation will be instant with all the ensuing consequences."

Putin took another year and a half to drop the other shoe. A much heralded conference in Jerusalem of Putin friend and national security advisor Patrushev with Bolton and Netanyahu was followed by the lead headline in Israeli newspapers that Russia considers Iran its ally.

The time has come for Putin now to put the message out more publicly and with inescapable force, so Trump and the American public and all the big Jews can get the message loud and clear. Putin's silence, if that's what he chooses, will speak for itself.

Posted by: sarz | Jan 7 2020 8:02 utc | 201

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 7 2020 7:54 utc | 200

Not only iranians. Shias. Muqtada Al Sadr of Iraq just threatened Trump.

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 8:02 utc | 202

Posted by: sarz | Jan 7 2020 8:02 utc | 201

I agree with some of this, in the sense that there is a possibility IMO for a plan to use low yield nukes against Iran in the context of escalating tit for tat attacks triggered by a false flag attack or strong iranian retaliation. If there is a war, it will be now, before the UN Arms Embargo against Iran expires at the end of the year.

In this sense, it is possible that Circe is right and Trump has been groomed for a war for Iran. I believe that this is possible.

If that's the plan, the only country that can stop this is Russia, by providing a deterrence to Iran (military assistance to build up iranian military capabilities and make US attack extremely costly).

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 8:13 utc | 203

@Passer by (220)

Did you talk to him yourself?
Why not provide a link?

Posted by: bjd | Jan 7 2020 8:14 utc | 204

@99 I believe that Trump didn't' know anything about Suleimani, and - while playing golf at his Mar-a-Lago - he was pressed to give his ok for the assassination. And he did.

bull shit.. further if you are correct than American should consider getting itself a new government.
The USA has failed America it has tramped on what made America great, the USA has denied the human rights basics <=endemic to the American sole and so well expressed in the Declaration of Independence, (1776) and so deeply ingrained in the first ten amendments to the constitution of the USA .. and in the makeup and composition of Americans. nothing the USA has done since 1913 has benefited Americas. Killing people in foreign spaces without a trial open for all to hear both sides is anti American pure and simple.

Taking and sending American assets, resources and manpower to foreign lands, and making Americans pay for these wars that benefit no Americans save a few Banksters, investors and privateers is Anti American even if the USA did it. The USA needs to justify it wars to the American people and the American people need to debate the issues without corruption of propaganda, and decide for themselves..

America is all about due process. Justice is the basis of the American soul. It seems so unfair that a few are going to get away with taking that from the Americans they govern? Will the XXXXs (since its antisemitic to call them anything else) at the USA who want a war that benefits no one but the few who demand a war, maybe Americans should at least make the USA conduct a nation wide vote of all Americans on the matter ( not a poll but a one person one vote) to decide if Americans want their government to fight a foreign war for any reason? Do Americans want USA to keep bases in foreign lands. I bet not, but only a nation wide one vote one person determination would find out. The USA can't be trusted to conduct a fair, unbiased election.. So something will have to be done to fix that too.

Sorry for the rant, but the arguments to justify murder in this debate touches my soul..

Posted by: snake | Jan 7 2020 8:14 utc | 205

Posted by: bjd | Jan 7 2020 8:14 utc | 204

There you go.

https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1214257680883298306

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 8:20 utc | 206

I have also pondered whether Iran has had nuclear warheads all along. I recall reading back in the early 90's that there were something like 250 nuclear warheads in Ukraine which were not returned and have not been accounted for. Here is a more recent reference to it. https://sputniknews.com/russia/2006040345107320/ I read later that some had been returned to Ukraine but that was conjecture at the time.

So, if we assume Iran actually has these hidden away somewhere it sort of changes the playlist a bit for the US as it puts a lot of places nearby in jeopardy should the US decide to nuke Iran. Iran could also always just buy some from Pakistan as well, but this was always out there as a possibility. I am reasonably certain the US has known about all of this all along and the entire debacle over Iran building nuclear bombs was just more theater and PSYOPS. I suppose time will tell.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 7 2020 8:33 utc | 207

@Passer by (204)

Thanks.
On Magnier's twitter page I also read: Russia offers Iraq S-400 air defense system to protect airspace.

Posted by: bjd | Jan 7 2020 8:55 utc | 208

David G @ 43 says:

Ritter isn’t quite predicting the U.S. will go nuclear against Iran, but he explains how plausible that outcome is

well, the difference between a prediction and a plausible outcome is fine indeed.

i think the Americans are capable of going that far, hope I'm wrong, terrifying stuff.

Posted by: john | Jan 7 2020 9:07 utc | 209

@Toxik 197

even if there is evidence that soleimani or iran helped the iraqis use ieds, it does not matter. the us were invaders. an occupied country can ask help from others.

Exactly.

The US acts like fighting back against its illegal acts of aggression is somehow unfair or even “terrorism.” But killing over two-dozen militia members in a country it isn’t at war with at as payback for one of their “contractors” being killed is okay. Murdering a visiting Iranian general in that same country and bringing the region to the edge of the abyss is justified because America is an empire and makes up its own rules as it goes along, consequences be damned so long as no precious murikans are killed.

The United States of America and its little genocidal buddy are the most depraved and dangerous rogue states since Nazi Germany. Their acts of war and terror can only be described as evil. And yet the countries of the developed [sic] world line up to kiss their sphincters at every turn.

Russia and China unfortunately are much too timid and sit on their hands most of the time. They aren’t nearly as opposed to the Empire as some people give them credit for. Along with the truly awful cowards of the EU they failed to send a strong signal to Washington by maintaining full economic relations with Iran. They help out a little bit here and there but Iran is essentially on its own.

It gives me no pleasure to say this but the idea that the American Empire is on its last legs and on the way out is pure fantasy, a product of wishful thinking.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 7 2020 9:08 utc | 210

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 7:14 utc | 199

So someone tell us one good thing Trump has actually done - for anyone including the USA - other than for Israel, over three years.
He has trashed the name USA across the planet.
Breaking agreements and using sanctions as a weapon of war.
He has dropped the US reputation into a cesspit.
All for Israel

I think that is the good Trump has done whether he knows it or not (probable not).

The US brand TM "We are the White Hats of the World" needs to be brought down. Way too many people live in that illusion. Americans most of all must realize that they are living in a swamp of death thanks to the US MIC and the MSM.

Death of Gen. Suleimani is opening a lot of eyes in the World IMO. Some might say "Well people already knew what the US is all about.". Neh, in the West majority were either on the fence or all in the good guy camp. Now things have changed dramatically. How dramatically is anyones guess. However no Hollywood movie is going to be able to undo the damage. Not even the election of Tootsie Gabard (CFR puppet) as the next US president.

Trump is burned for 2020 election IMHO unless Zombies start to vote.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 9:12 utc | 211

Posted by: paul | Jan 7 2020 4:04 utc | 180

"Roberts is right on this, I think. China and Russia must step up now. Putin, however, is a lost cause. It's clear now that all this man really wants in life is to be a US vassal, though he'd like a good deal."

I agree with Roberts and everyone else thinking this. The "Use By" date for Russia (and China) is here. Neither can afford to let the US demolish the Iranian state infrastructure (which the US can do in the early stages of the war, even though it can't win a ground war there or win the general war over the long term) and turn the place into a vacuum.

Someone up above claimed Russia and Iran are not natural allies. However true or not that may be in general, right now they have a great shared interest in deterring a full-scale US air and missile attack on Iran.

As for Putin, he has to choose. Although "wants to be a US vassal" is too harsh, he's certainly a Westernizer who wants Russia to take what he sees as its rightful place within the US-led neoliberal order. He wants much closer integration of Russia and the EU, with this bloc to be perhaps co-equal with China, both recognizing US leadership but insisting on the US recognizing their rights and prerogatives.

But it's clear by now this is a pipe dream because the US is determined to impose total domination through force, economic or otherwise, is determined to demonize Russia and force them to be an enemy, and the empire and its global "order" are doomed anyway. Russia can't afford this fence-straddling any longer. They need to recognize the US as an implacable enemy and take action to deter it (Roberts' call for a defensive alliance is a good one), otherwise they guarantee they'll have to face full-scale US aggression at some point.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 7 2020 9:25 utc | 212

@ Jackrabbit @116
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Link? ….I haven't seen any reports of a plans for a Suleimani-Saudi meeting.
You are right, , Jackrabbit - I got it a bit wrong.
Last night I saw one of these comment-videos of "The Duran". You find this video on https://youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w , there the video "International Law and Suleimani". This video is 2 ½ hours long (because it is one of these "Super-chat" videos where they answer questions of their subscribers). I only watched this video for about an hour (and will see the rest some time this day).
If you go in this video to 34:00 Alexander Mercouris says:
"…Iraqi government, which was involved to broker some kind of a deal between Iran and Saudi-Arabia.",
"The Iraqi Prime minister has confirmed it to us.",
"it has not been denied by the Saudis, who are the people, who would know."

And so, Jackrabbit, You are right and I was wrong insofar as Suleimani was not about to directly meet a Saudi diplomat (yesterday - about midnight - I simply heard more than was said).
But nonetheless what remains is, that Suleimani was in Baghdad …to broker some kind of a deal between Iran and Saudi-Arabia.". And I still believe that exactly this fact was the reason Suleimani got murdered. Because someone violently tries to prevent that Tehran and Riyadh stop being hostile to each other or only have better relations than now. I believe the assassination of Suleimani was a message for Riyadh - and not for Tehran.

2) Trump informed his son Eric of his decision beforehand. Eric Trump bragged about what was about to happen. Why would do so for a decision that his father was forced to make or made by mistake?
I didn't' say Trump "was forced to make (a) …mistake"! All I said was, that I assume, that Trump knew little or even nothing about Suleimani and that it was easy to take golf playing Trump by surprise for his "ok".
And Trump has a weak character. He will never admit he made a mistake. He will always 'double down', when he made a mistake.

3) To the isolation of Saudi -Arabia.
When you, Jackrabbit, say: "No, they're not. They have diplomatic relations with Russia, China, and many others", I would retort that the day when WWI broke out and the day and WW II broke out all nations going to war had "diplomatic relations" with each other.

4) To Your, Jackrabbit "Here's what I think":
a) Downed US-drone, Houthi's September attack: No, I can't believe the assassination of Suleimani was ordered because of something happened in the past.
b) To Your Saudis "behind-the-scenes peace effort …to buy time. No, the Saudis have no time anymore. and the can buy a lot - but no time anymore.
c) To Your, Jackrabbit "Trump has proven his anti-peace intentions": Yes, here I agree with You. He is like a very stupid Mafiosi - only relying on violence, force, pressure.
Let me add that Trump is also not at all a 'good businessman'. A 'good businessman' knows how to surround himself with honest and also talented people. His first choice (I believe) was Jeff Sessions as secretary of the Justice Department. What a catastrophe! And than Bolton, Pence, Pompeo and so on.
A 'good businessman' also cares for his people. But when Michael Flynn got attacked by Mueller and consorts Trump simply dropped Flynn. And multimillionaire Trump didn't even help Flynn when Flynn ran out of money because of those enormous legal costs.

Posted by: Joerg | Jan 7 2020 9:29 utc | 213

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 7 2020 8:33 utc | 207

"I have also pondered whether Iran has had nuclear warheads all along. I recall reading back in the early 90's that there were something like 250 nuclear warheads in Ukraine which were not returned and have not been accounted for....

So, if we assume Iran actually has these hidden away somewhere..."

What could possibly be the good of that? The only legitimate "use" of nuclear weapons is for deterrence, i.e. not to have to use them at all, or if worst came to worst for retaliation against a first strike.

But self-evidently both of these depend upon publicizing your nuke capabilities. Secret nukes are worthless for either. The only conceivable purpose for having nukes but keeping them secret is if you intended to use them for terrorist attacks. I don't Iran has any such intent.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 7 2020 9:31 utc | 214

i don't think lbj was jewish, but he was a warmonger just like kennedy. kennedy was more toward the h clinton side of the warmonger set, going directly for a nuclear confrontation with russia, big protestant lbj was more toward the trump side, he liked smaller wars. of course, kennedy was big catholic, and h clinton a fanatic protestant evangelical supporter of that crazy fundamentalist political sect in washington dc, that thinks a red heifer will usher in armageddon the big heifer party, you might call them.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 9:33 utc | 215

he was a warmonger just like kennedy.

Now I have read a lot of serious BS on some sites but this takes the cake. You seem to have the right words for the time period but what you convey is Langley BS. Also in effect you are spitting on one of the best President US had.

Just in case there is a possibility to salvage a lost sheep like you do read this book,

JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
by James W. Douglass

JFK knew what war was all about and KEPT THE US OUT of them. This and other decisions did not go well with MIC.
https://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkptkumonarescue.shtml

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 9:42 utc | 216

"Trump is probably not stupid enough to launch such a war and certainly not during an election year." b's faith in Trump, never fails to astonish me. Trump is stupid to do anything, except launching a nuclear attack against any nation that has nuclear weapons. If North Korea has not demonstrated beyond doubts that it is capable of hitting the USA, the idiot (Trump) would have been propelled to hit that nation. He would not declare war against Iran, simply because Israel would pay the price of such stupidity. Netanyahoo is the one who is not stupid enough to okay a strike against Iran. Not Trump, his dog!

Posted by: Steve | Jan 7 2020 9:49 utc | 217

@ Emily | Jan 7 2020 7:14 utc | 199

"So someone tell us one good thing Trump has actually done.." -- he kept that criminal Clinton witch out of the control room. And he's generated some entertainment by exposing what has been called the "Trump Derangement Syndrome." But apart from that, I agree -- not much except reduce taxes for the ultra elite at the top of the FedRes ponzi-scheme.

As for Circe @ 196...

"He may also actually have been jealous,..." -- indeed, these draft-dodging egomaniac spoiled characters spawned on third-base are (like the Bush gang) more often than not privileged from the illicit criminal proceeds of previous generations -- bootleggers in the case of Bush.

I like to keep some perspective. GWBush oversaw the 9/11 BS; the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq; and all manner of deceit and mischief by his 2IC, Dick Cheney. Trump and Pence don't even come up to the kneecaps on that cluster of evil against humanity @ the top (from which the world is still recovering).

I'm not American, and I enjoy my popcorn. However, I agree, Trump does seem to be a particularly unenlightened variant of the slop at the top. He will need to watch his back closely. There is a history of US Presidents taking a bullet when their 'best by' date is up. And Trump's departure on the end of some lead would suit the ME narrative just fine at the moment -- I can't see the Democrat House crying too many tears at such an 'unfortunate' pay back by 'Iran' etc etc. Then Pence is beatable and the Clinton hag will probably run and 'on with the show' as it was meant to be etc.

Posted by: imo | Jan 7 2020 9:55 utc | 218

RJPJR @ 127

Excellent post. When looking at the video of the Suleimani attack on his vehicle I wondered, what type of munition would produce this color and intensity? It was not just an explosions but it was a pyrophoric event. I would imagine drones use those DU hellfire missiles from time to time and that they would want to run with the lightest most destructive munition to lessen weight and increase flying time. It could have been a tungsten round which is almost as poisonous.

These depleted uranium rounds have been thrown all over the region for decades. As the threat increases I see the Empire levering these types of weapons because they are constrained in their ability to place a few million men into the region which is what they would need to engage fully into the quagmire.

All things being equal, I would not have put it past them to use a DU munition in this instance since they wanted a sure kill on what they would consider a high value target. These are truly sick people that have no ability to calculate the cost of the human suffering and genetic destruction they create to obtain a goal.


Posted by: dltravers | Jan 7 2020 9:56 utc | 219

How you can still make claims like "Trump is not stupid enough to XY" is beyond me.

This man is probably stupid enough to eat his own poo and think it is chocolate.

Posted by: tageslicht | Jan 7 2020 10:17 utc | 220

Having watched the 100,000s in the procession with Soleimani and Muhamdas coffins in Iraq, and the many millions at Soleimani coffin procession in Iranian border towns, Tehran and now in his home city in Iran’s south - I cannot think of any funeral, Princess Diana’s included and Martin Luther King’s - with more people attending in my lifetime. Perhaps Mao Tse Tung I haven’t checked, but I doubt even that. The heartfelt emotions of the millions of mourners was obvious.

Arguably no single individual did more to defeat ISIS than General Soleimani.

The denizens of the US Embassy in Baghdad will now have his steely gaze from beyond the grave as long as they remain, see this poster:

https://southfront.org/banners-with-qods-forces-soleimani-and-pmus-al-muhandis-waved-in-front-of-us-embassy-in-baghdad/

Posted by: PJB | Jan 7 2020 10:19 utc | 221

more kennedy sucking up. the truth was he was a warmonger who ran to the right of nixon, just like h clinton ran to the right of trump. jfk ramped up the vietman war, was a big joe mccarthy supporter (with his brother bobby), expanded the u.s. nuclear program. he ran on his war record, hyped up, for that matter with a hollywood movie pushing him. i don't know what agenda you warmonger supporting types are pushing, but they were all corrupt. rewriting history to make him some kind of peacemaker is horseshit on a par to claiming h clinton was a peacemaker or interpreting trump as playing some kind of 11 dimensional chess against the deep state. far from being in opposition to the deep state, kennedy was a rich supporter of it, with an ivy league background just like the bushes and obama and the clintons.

jfk was a crappy president with a bunch of hagiography propping it up, just like reagan or obama; just like obama, jfk's second term would have been more of the same. he cut the top tax rates and pushed war and the us military industrial complex, pushed the cia to assassinate castro after the bays of pigs fiasco, after pushing the world to the brink of nuclear war with his stupid blockade of cuba, to prevent russia from levelling the playing field against u.s. missles in turkey. that's his record, notwithstanding the post presidency public relations campaign to elevate him by his supporters. just another warmonger president, of the democratic variety.

for some reason people like you like to elevate the cia to some kind of mythical james bond competence, they were were never very good at the operational side of things, just a bunch of ivy leaguer's sitting around distributing money to various 3d world thugs and dreaming up plots like trying to assassinate castro with an exploding cigar. they occasionally succeeded, like the pentagon occasionally succeeds in "winning" wars if the opposition is right, but in fact their best work is smearing people via the press, as they do in so many countries besides the u.s., making money off drug smuggling and financial crime, and getting billions from congress. they were never good at the actual spying stuff, but they made up for it by hiring other more competent spies like reinhard gellen.

the factions at the top of u.s. society have their bloody disagreements, just as medieval barons and kings did, or organized crime but it has jack shit to do with the nobility of camelot, whether the king arthur variety or the jfk myth. none of the elites give a shit about the lower classes, but their supporters love to pretend they do; just like those pictures of rockefeller with the children of miners, it's all a bought and paid for narrative.

you don't have to buy saint obama or saint clinton or saint kennedy or saint nixon to see through this shit.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 10:21 utc | 222

dltravers | Jan 7 2020 9:56 utc | 219

The event itself and damage done to the vehicles indicate the warhead employed a metallized (aluminum, zircon etc.) high yield blast composition - PAX-28, OSX-12, PBXIH-135E, PBXIH-18A or similar.

Posted by: Hmpf | Jan 7 2020 10:24 utc | 223

@DAN 68
"Nooneyouknow, what right did Iran have to be in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq?"

Iranian troops were invited by the legitimate Syrian government and thus are legally present in Syria. Furthermore, the iranian presence and the work of Soleimani was a main factor in defeating ISIS in Syria.

But even if this was not the case, then you could ask the same question to the US-government. What right does the US government have to execute attacks in foreign countries without trial or anything? There are widespread psychological consequences amongst the people wo live in areas where there are frequent drone strikes.

Posted by: tageslicht | Jan 7 2020 10:25 utc | 224

speaking of the cia's competence, how well is the russiagate horseshit actually selling? think about it, they control the msm, but how many people think it's all a crock? how many people buy the epstein hit as a "suicide"?, from what i read, not many, not matter how much bullshit james risen writes at the intercept, or david corn or david ignatius michael isikoff. operation mocking bird can sing, but this propaganda isn't flying. they keep running it up the flagpole, but people keep not saluting.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 10:32 utc | 225

Passby 174 and bevan Yes I agree the US can not re invade in the numbers needed to secure (especially the south) Iraq. Right now i would expect a huge amount of weapons would be flooding the south and all the way to Baghdad. So if Dick Hack thinks Trump would need deploy 50,000 troops over the next few weeks your kidding. The weapons are NOW in place to make any Troops remaining wishing they never joined the military forces. So one way or anther (high death/casualties) the US will leave. If the Mardi Army so chooses it could make a Vietnam style retreat which wont play well in a election year. I found this comment on another site regarding a 'invasion' of Iran and the stupidity there-which. Following why ....NOT...

Posted by: col from OZ | Jan 7 2020 10:34 utc | 226

Kratoklastes says:
January 5, 2020 at 2:28 am GMT • 1,400 Words
@Commentator Mike

As if Afghanistan isn’t inhospitable mountainous terrain? So somehow Iran’s topography is worse is it? They invaded Afghanistan without even controlling any neighbouring countries.

Have you looked at where KOP is? By 2007 that was still a ‘forward base’. It’s only 100 miles from Kabul.

Also, while the US didn’t explicitly ‘control’ Uzbekistan (which is where the initial force staged), Karimov was a US ally and there is no love lost between the Uzbeks and the Pashto.

Today, the US controls only those parts of Afghanistan that the Taliban haven’t decided to take back yet. It’s not clear why you would consider US strategy in Afghanistan as a good example – it’s now widely-known to have been so bad that it required 17 years of official bullshit to cover its failure.

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You’ve also missed about fifty key points of difference between Afghanistan and Iran.

The ones that most people don’t need reminding about include –

? Afghanistan had no organised military to speak of;

? it had absolutely no air defence capabilities and limited airspace monitoring;

? its disorganised military was having a hard time with Dostum, Massoud and Hekmatyar;

? the initial US insertion was about 6 SAD guys whose main role was to meet up with the Northern Alliance; they, and the rest of TF Dagger arrived by helo from K-K in Uzbekistan (the US had always supported Karimov) – the TF Dagger insertion is now the record for the longest helo insertion in military history;

? Kandahar and Kabul had already fallen before FOB Rhino was established – in other words, the Northern Alliance plus US air power had done the job before ISAF even got its shit unpacked;

? Notwithstanding the unseating of the Taliban, The US lost. They knew in 2001 that they were losing, and lied about it for 17 years.

On ?: when you’re a superpower, if you fail to impose your Imperial Will on the place that is a LOSS.

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Ordinarily, in these sort of situations it’s left as an exercise to work out which of those points are critical in the new game (where the US tries to do the same thing in Iran).

But since most people are imbeciles, I’ll put a thumb on the scales.

More below the fold. Read it or don’t, but if you think of some counter-argument it’s best to assume I’ve already thought of it, coz I’m good at this. (The folks at JWAC probably don’t know my name any more, because the Yanks our crew helped train in the 90s have moved on since then).

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In the case of Iran:

Re ?: Iran has a well-equipped professional military with an excellent senior staff. (That said: Afghanistan didn’t have much by way of formal military, but it did have millions of people with battlefield experience against a technologically superior enemy… about half of whom were on the Taliban side).

Re ?: Ain’t gonna happen because ? can’t happen.

? is made orders of magnitude harder by !{?,?} (! is the ‘NOT’ operator, indicating that {} is untrue in the Iranian case).

Dealing with !? first: there is no domestic insurgency worth talking to in Iran – certainly not one that is remotely analogous to the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan in 2001, which was basically a full-fledged opponent in a civil war (which the NA won, with the aid of US air power). Whoever crosses the threshold cannot rely on divided attention of the Iranian military.

OK, now !?. More convoluted – requires more space.

Insertion of the whole force by rotor is really hard if the adversary has any significant air defences. (At the time that the US invaded Afghanistan, the Taliban couldn’t even rely on regularly-updated satellite imagery to detect movements in US naval assets: now you can do that from your phone, and if you’re a government you have drones).

With a sophisticated enemy it’s so hard to insert large numbers of boots by rotor, that it can be ruled out.

So if you want to get boots on the ground without everyone having to traverse a mountain range (exposing flanks and supply lines), you a need to get reliable control over a big lump of land that has an airport on it capable of landing troop transports (or being converted to same).

(The passel of land has to be on the ‘enemy’ side of the mountains – I put that in because some readers went to US schools and geography is not a strong point.)

Controlling an air base would require a battalion on the ground on the bad-guy side of the hills. You sure as fuck don’t want to fight your way over the hills and then try to control an airbase.

Trying to get a battalion-sized presence in by rotorcraft would mean using MH-47s, which are slow and (ahem) not very stealthy (actually, they’re very not stealthy)… and the US would require more than a battalion on the ground.

Airdrop? Same problem: if the incoming aircraft is detected, you know everything about manpower disposition (troop size and position) before the men hit the ground.

Iran has the capability to see airborne things coming; it also has a range of solutions to make airborne things lose their airborne-ness.

For mobile overwatch, Iran has AWACS – 3 old Orions and some retroftted An-140s for maritime, and a bunch of unarmed drones (they’ve been cranking out UAVs as fast as possible). They also have JY-14 medium-long range radar, which is handy because their range means that they can be lit up earlier than short-range AA radar.

And if you don’t think that they have an intel-sharing arrangement with Russia, you’re not thinking hard enough.

As far as making flying things stop flying, they have a fuckton of SAMs. A genuine fuckton – especially relative to what the US has faced in any engagement since Korea.

They have a similar fuckton of MANPADs: even primitive RPGs are bad news for helos, and MANPADs are much more worser… think of how badly “Hind vs Stinger” played out in the 80s, and you are on roughly the right page

They also have a little over 1500 AA batteries (most of those will be dead on first contact, but they’re still a nuisance).

The Iranian Air Force itself – forget it, it’s irrelevant.

The first sign things are kicking off will be a bunch of TLAMs fucking up every airbase in Iran. (Plus the obligatory US/NATO SOP war crime of targeting civilian infrastructure for electricity generation, water treatment, sewage treatment, and telecommunications)

This is why Iran has fuck-all air-superiority assets: and a little over a hundred 1980s-level offensive aircraft (about 150 of them: F14; Fulcrum; Su22, 24 and 25).

They learned from the experience of Iraq’s Air Force in 1991: it was much much larger than Iran’s is now, but a shitload of it was destroyed on the ground due to the regime’s appalling lack of preparedness.

So from all that…

? is a foregone conclusion.

Some things that play no part in the conclusion:
? that I despise US* hypocritical bromides about freedom and ‘democracy’;
? that the US military is a bloated set of boondoggles run by grifters,with the mindset of a 20-something NPC who just watched ‘300’;
? that the US has had its arse kicked by several sets of raggedy-ass peasants from 1968 onwards and has underperformed in every peer engagement since 1789. (inb4 WWI and WWII… they were on the winning side, but others – e.g., the Soviets – did the actual winning)

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“Topography matters” doesn’t mean that topography is all that matters. The gap between combatants has to be extremely wide in order for technology and manpower to overcome terrain.

In fact it’s hard to know how wide the gap needs to be fortech/power to win, because all of the ‘invade without properly considering terrain disadvantages” has resulted in strategic losses for the superior force at all times since WWII.

We can say that the gap has to be wider than “Viet Cong vs US” or “Mujahedin vs USSR ” or USC/SNA vs US/UNOSOM” or “Taliban vs US/ISAF“.

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People who are interested in how shit works in modern warfare need to read William Lind, or John Robb or Arreguín-Toft.

Start with the short-ish paper (which is now a book):

Arreguín-Toft (2001) “How the Weak Win Wars: A Theory of Asymmetric Conflict“ International Security, Vol. 26, No. 1 (Summer 2001), pp. 93–128
Kratoklastes says:
January 5, 2020 at 2:28 am GMT • 1,400 Words
@Commentator Mike

Posted by: col from OZ | Jan 7 2020 10:37 utc | 227

RJPJR | Jan 6 2020 23:29 utc | 127

I am really quite interested to know why you have written this. Most if not all of what you say is completely false. Why would you post this? Where did this come from? did you simply make it up on your own?

please respond

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 7 2020 10:40 utc | 228

col from oz; a gap like grenada vs the u.s. or panama vs. the u.s.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 10:42 utc | 229

Guten Tag *b'.
Hello Everyone.

It's quite obvious the poster @222 is an uncultured twit.
Syntax, misspelling of key words, punctuation, and mixture of north american-English with flings of brittish-English point to....
Let's call them the *hasbara b-team* for simplicity's sake.

Achoo-Achoo.
Gesundheit.
These people make me sick(am. colloquial).
X-

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 7 2020 10:43 utc | 230

Sorry to be a nuisance b, but from reading the last 40 or so posts in this thread it is fair to say that the loons have taken over the asylum, a new thread is in order when the clock reaches the point where no matter what is said, it all sounds as though the american dunderheads are duty pound to ignore all provocations

Posted by: A User | Jan 7 2020 11:04 utc | 231

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 10:21 utc | 222
And that is why they sent the Hit Team into Dallas in 1963 ??? He was their man ??? If he was their man then Cuba would be a US state today. It didn't happen. Disagreement in the Family ? If that is your read of the man then your world view must be the stuff of magic. Then they offed RFK BECAUSE of family disagreement? I'd guess such hits are exclusively meted out to "non-family".

So where are the Saints in that US of A ? Tulsi ???? Sanders ????

for some reason people like you like to elevate the cia to some kind of mythical james bond competence, they were were never very good at the operational side of things,

You must get your information from Hollywood movies. Go see "Joker" to get more of that historical knowledge you seem to reflect.
operational side of things,

So what were you guys good at ? As I recall taking down Mossadegh was a great job. Chile during Kissingers years turned out super. Come on, don't be so modest.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 11:09 utc | 232

col from OZ @ 226 says:

The weapons are NOW in place to make any Troops remaining wishing they never joined the military forces. So one way or anther (high death/casualties) the US will leave

we now have an entire generation that's grown up against this backdrop of illegal war. there's NO excuse for anyone joining the military to think otherwise. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen. all based on lies, and everyone knows, whether they'll admit it or not. ditto the treatment of veterans from these obscene missions. there is no meaningful patriotism involved in joining the military, just jingoism, and/or a shitty paycheck.

Posted by: john | Jan 7 2020 11:18 utc | 233

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 7 2020 10:43 utc | 230

It's quite obvious the poster @222 is an uncultured twit.

Thanks for the observation.

He appears to have a good script that fires on the right "words" but how he spins the interpretation gives me the impression of a disinfo agent or simply a not well read individual.

I know it sounds like bragging but I have read a lot about JFK and that period in US history. My understanding of JFK is 180 degrees opposite, plus light years away from what he says. That's why I find him suspicious.

Again ,what category to put him in is one's own choice.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 11:21 utc | 234

Posted by: john | Jan 7 2020 11:18 utc | 233

we now have an entire generation that's grown up against this backdrop of illegal war.

Quite true. That is why people should explore various historical events mention here and find out more.

In the case of JFK I don't know of a better book than the one I mentioned in #216. Another good one is,

The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government Hardcover
by David Talbot

With books on Amazon check always the LOWEST RATING to hear the counter arguments. Then simply THINK :-)

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 11:27 utc | 235

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 7 2020 8:33 utc | @207
interesting line of thinking, and not implausible. Iranians are very smart people, and if Apartheid South Africa, Pakistan and Indai were able to assemble some nukes, why not Iran? It may explain why Iran has not been attacked to date, and why Israel, who'se trademark is belligerence and bold aggression, is so hesitant.

Posted by: trind | Jan 7 2020 11:37 utc | 236

@ Old Microbiologist | Jan 7 2020 8:33 utc | 207 (gadgets)

Machine of this type, portable well engineered nuclear explosives suitable to liquidate armor or cities Require Regular Maintenance (and you can't get the parts). Their shelf-life is measured in months w/o service and so forth. Old atomic explosives probably won't work if they're well-out of date, or will work only partially.

Talk of Iran having such things lays the ground for post US attack myths which, like the "saved a million lives" myths about the nukes demonstrated to the Soviets over Hiroshima and Nagasaki to make them :pliable" and easy to manipulate by threats (Groves to Rotblatt and Chadwick)

It's difficult for me to imagine that the US is not going to liquidate Iran without using atomic explosives, or that the US ruling class and their 50 year (Hudson, unz) Strategy. The attack on Iran will continue.

UAE seems to be at the top of the Iranian list along with Israel. If Iran elects to smash those targets the dollar collapses, many say. Without being able to offshore the inflation, eg dollar / oil deal Kissinger made for Nixon the war making ability of Empire ends.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 11:39 utc | 237

tom if you'd learn to read i already told you what the cia was good at--propaganda, bribery, and extracting sums from congress. not assassinations, not spying. that doesn't make them "my guys". it makes them an incompetent intelligence agency. keep believing the hollywood bullshit, though, and don't forget to light a candle for your favorite warmonger.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 12:03 utc | 238

lofl tom you've "read a lot". you read horsecrap that supports your view. you're no different than the people that claim clinton was the most qualified candidate ever, obama was a great president, reagan beat the ussr, etc. etc. etc. you just fall for one particular line of bullshit.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 12:05 utc | 239

Posters attacking frances @167 and claiming that poster is defending or "trying to save" Trump are simply exposing their own Trump Derangement Syndrome based mental damage, and that mental damage is every bit as real and debilitating as a bullet hole in the head.

Is claiming that Trump was fooled by low-functioning morons a defense? Perhaps to those who embrace victim culture and believe that "innocent by reason of stupidity" is a valid defense, but then such a perspective is just another layer of damage on top of their Trump Derangement Syndrome.

frances is not defending Trump. The poster is exploring scenarios that better explain the evidence that we have. The suggestion that Trump was unaware of what was really happening doesn't mean that Trump is not responsible for the results. Imagining ignorance and incompetence to be excuses is just brain damaged, victim culture, identity politics garbage. Please overcome that disability.

"What does it matter? Why not just blame Trump for it all and be done with it?"

Because that leads to the erroneous conclusion that Trump is the problem and thus that replacing Trump is all that is needed to fix the problem. Sadly, that is not even the starting point for fixing what ails America. Americans fixing their own heads? That is a much better starting point.

Posted by: William R Henry | Jan 7 2020 12:16 utc | 240

Iraqi Prime Minister Was Forced To Resign After Trump Threatened His Life: Report


On January 5th, the Iraqi parliament voted on a resolution to expel US troops from the country. In attendance was, caretaker Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi, who, according to reports provided insight into why specifically Iraq was in this situation, and predominantly spoke about threats that came his way from US President Donald Trump and the US policy towards the country.

The following is the summary of reports regarding Abdul-Mehdi’s comments during the January 5 vote of the Iraqi Parliament. These reports have been nor officially confirmed nor denied by the Prime Minister office.

Abdul-Mehdi adressed the US hostile actions against the country. For example, the politician reportedly said that the US refused to complete the infrastructure and electricity grid projects unless it is promised 50% of oil revenues. The Prime Minister refused to make the concession.

Then, when the Prime Minister visited China and reached an important agreement to undertake construction of the projects instead of the US, President Donald Trump allegedly called him, telling him to rescind the agreement with China, otherwise there would be massive demonstrations against him, that would force him out of his seat.

Then, when massive demonstrations materialized against Adel Abdul-Mahdi, Trump once again allegedly called him. The US President allegedly threatened to position US marine snipers “atop the highest buildings,” who will target and kill protesters and security forces alike in an attempt to pressure the Prime Minister.

Instead of complying, Adel Abdul-Mahdi refused and handed in his resignation and the US still attempt to pressure him in cancelling the supposed deal with China.

Later on, when the Iraqi Minister of Defense publicly said that a third side was targeting both protesters and security forces alike, Abdul-Mahdi allegedly received a new call from Trump who threatened to kill both him and the Minister of Defense if they kept talking about this “third side”.

Furthermore, the Iraqi Pirme Minister revealed that Iranian General Qassem Soleimani was invited to Iraq to take part in reconciliation negotiations with Saudi Arabia when he was assassinated by the US.

https://southfront.org/iraqi-prime-minister-was-forced-to-resign-after-trump-threatened-his-life/

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 12:17 utc | 241

bjd

"link" troll.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 7 2020 12:27 utc | 242

some may use search term "murder of Yamamoto" to discover Operation Vengeance was the American military operation to kill Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto of the Imperial Japanese Navy on April 18, 1943, during the Solomon Islands campaign in the Pacific .

Liquidating a key figure is not a new tactic. This is done for post hoc political shaping of the ground. Popular dead men cannot present a post-conflict political "problem".

Doing the murder of Yamamoto gave away the fact of US being able to decrypt Japanese communication. It served zero military purpose. In fact it was entirely political murder. Nothing new.

They tried to murder Castro for similar reasons. They do not always fail.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 12:28 utc | 243

218 iMO
he kept that criminal Clinton witch out of the control room. And he's generated some entertainment by exposing what has been called the "Trump Derangement

So that was his doing good was it?
I have to disagree.
He failed miserably in what needed doing and what many expected would be done.
Hillary in an orange jump suit - spending the rest of her life on prison and in solitary.
The woman is probably the worst war criminal alive today, a full blown traitor to her country and guilty of financial fraud and extortion.
She walks free.
Flynn - um!
And any entertainment from Trump derangement is purely for the masochistic.
The damage he is inflicting on the USA's reputation, the damage he is doing with 'sanctions as a weapon, the damage he is doing in further 'regime changes', the damage he is doing to international relations, the damage he is doing in violating international law - I don't find remotely entertaining.
Sorry to be a spoil sport but people have died like flies because of his 'derangement'

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 12:38 utc | 244

tom if you'd learn to read i already told you what the cia was good at--. . .keep believing the hollywood bullshit, though, and don't forget to light a candle for your favorite warmonger.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 12:03 utc | 238
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lofl tom you've "read a lot". you read horsecrap that supports your view. you're no different than the people that claim clinton was the most qualified candidate ever, obama was a great president, reagan beat the ussr, etc. etc. etc. you just fall for one particular line of bullshit.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 12:05 utc | 239
+++++++++++++++

IMO Pretzelattack has also just outed himself as a troll. Trolls use this tone and "argue" with childish personal attacks and vocabulary, and primitive arguments. Also, barely literate him/herself. Pretzel's agenda in this case seems to be to double down on the official Dallas narrative and make/support a case that Kennedy deserved to die.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 7 2020 12:41 utc | 245

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 11:39 utc | @237
I'm not technically knowledgeable about the issue with the degrading pits. But do they not degrade over years? I read somewhere that the reason why Israel stole those pits from the US via the Hollywood filmmaker, Nethanyahoo and other agents was b/c Demoina had been gutted by overuse in PLutonium production and they could no longer make their own. Now the problem is apparently that the stolen material will eventually degrade, but the talk was tha this takes years

Posted by: trind | Jan 7 2020 12:45 utc | 246

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 12:28 utc | 243

I guess it makes them feel better. A lot of this is run on adrenaline.

Trump is now doubling down rethorically trying to rally USians around the flag.

Let's see if the UN can/will force the US to let Zarif speak and if Trump has the UN support of Europeans. They must realize by now that they are taking part in a Trumpian election campaign.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 7 2020 12:45 utc | 247

223

Thanks for that information.
What that seemingly specific warhead shows pretty conclusively,is that the whole assassination was forwardly planned in some detail, not as originally, passed off as opportunistic.
Here is a question.
Where are the Saudis on this?
Did they know that the whole 'peace' thing was a set up merely to lure the good general to his death - or were they just used as well.
The answer, I would have thought, important.
If part of what is one of the most vile of crimes in modern history - they should be made to pay a price as well.
Anyone seen any explanations?

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 12:53 utc | 248

| Jan 7 2020 12:45 utc | 246 (pits)

The vital neutron injection system is either polonium or an electronic neutron source, essentially a cyclotron sorta gizmo. Either way there's a life cycle, batteries of some sort, and it's short. Months. Pits evolve gas and become, ah "pitted". This is slower. I am not an expert, but there are zero nuclear bomb secrets, they're not easy to learn, but nearly 100% is public. For a start read Richard Rhodes.

If, in the future, circumstance shapes the desires of an Nth agency which has the infrastructure of industry necessary, then a simple gun type device using U235 (as was used on Hiroshima) is something anybody can make. Any machineshop. See Coster Mullin on Atom Bombs...he built a nice copy, inert however. And found a lie, a deception, in the official story. His qualification? Driving truck...no kidding. My impression is that gungadget takes about 75 pounds of "poot" and is very inefficient, ie leaves a very expensive radioactive mess, but does a nice job of ruining the target or blowing a hole in the ground. 12 kt was "little boy", if I recall.

These days that's a "dirty bomb" as if that matters to the dead - rhetoric - they're all "dirty". The whole bomb business is dirty and an affront to god. For my money, as they say, I'd say that weapons bigger than a hunting rifle or a .38 revolver are useless and nearly always have secondary after-effects that outweigh any momentary advantage or profit. These include naked hungry kids and crying mothers, and murder.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 13:10 utc | 249

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 12:53 utc | 248

>>Here is a question. Where are the Saudis on this? Did they know that the whole 'peace' thing was a set up merely to lure the good general to his death - or were they just used as well.

“Saudi Arabia is sending a delegation to Washington to urge restraint with Iran on behalf of [Persian] Gulf states. The message will be: ‘Please spare us the pain of going through another war’,” Liz Sly, The Washington Post Beirut bureau chief wrote on Twitter.

So it looks like Saudi Arabia is not part of the current Iran Escalation Project, they know that they are now a big missile target to multiple of Shia groups in the region. So this project is definitely not saudi driven.

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 13:20 utc | 250

Michael Hudson had this to say in that linked article from Karlof1 @88...
“The message is that the assassination of General Soleimani was to protect us. As Donald Trump and various military spokesmen have said, he had killed Americans – and now they must be planning an enormous attack that will injure and kill many more innocent Americans. That stance has become America’s posture in the world: weak and threatened, requiring a strong defense – in the form of a strong offense”.
This defence was recognized in that famous quote by Hermann Goring when captured by the Allies.
“Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship…
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

Posted by: Harry law | Jan 7 2020 13:25 utc | 251

Huge increase in the SP500 index, the investors and banks are sure the iranian are only "saber rattling", barking but not biting, making a lot of noise but they will not dare to make great damages to the almighty US army, they know what will happen to them if they dare to attack US; and if they kill US soldiers the war will finish with more oil, wealth and power for USA, and the destruction of the Iran economy, as Iraq in 1991.

Too much optimism I guess

Posted by: DFC | Jan 7 2020 13:27 utc | 252

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 12:17 utc | 241

Iraqi Prime Minister Was Forced To Resign After Trump Threatened His Life: Report

TRUMP'S SNIPERS KILLED PROTESTORS?

Here is more on Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi's speech in Parliament on January 5, 2020:

And so indeed huge demos materialised against me, and Trump calls again and says, if I don’t comply w/ his demands, he will station Marines snipers atop highest buildings, who will target and kill protestors and security forces alike, in an attempt to pressure me.

This summary of the speech was first tweeted by Ahmad Khazraji and then translated into English by Ibn Riad. I do not know how accurate this is. The first part of the speech was broadcast live, but the broadcast was cut short after a request of a Sunni member of parliament.

There heavy use of unseen snipers in the Syrian conflict with multiple precedents in other countries, culmination in the Maidan sniper massacre in Kiev in 2014.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 7 2020 13:28 utc | 253

Saudi is "highly metastatic situation". One little push can upset the stability. That's called "a pre-revolutionary situation" and the fine fellas running the place are chitting themselves in fear, 'cause they know what can happen to them if the hammer falls, when it falls.

Metastatic? Put fire-cracker on the desk. Everything is stable. Light the fuze and you will have another stable condition, after it explodes. Some system have numerous metastatic plateau, some do not. Gun are another example - quite stable until you pull the trigger. Then there's another stability after the slug hits the target, unless the bullet starts a fire...

This time the clown's "bullet" started a fire.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 13:32 utc | 254

that the US military is a bloated set of boondoggles run by grifters,with the mindset of a 20-something NPC who just watched ‘300’; <-- col from OZ

I do not fully follow this sentence. However, as empires last, their boondoggles grow, sometimes we can watch them with awe thousands year later -- Pyramids. Similarly, I can imagine future civilizations deciphering 21 century electronic records and debating if it is possible the US military started to buy weapons with contracts not allowing to repair them -- if something goes wrong, send them back to the vendor to get it fixed! Surely, it must be some decoding error, or missing nuances in a language long extinct!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 7 2020 13:40 utc | 255

@ Emily | Jan 7 2020 12:53 utc | 248

"What that seemingly specific warhead shows pretty conclusively,is that the whole assassination was forwardly planned in some detail, not as originally,......"

Not necessarily, they do have a variety of warhead configurations in their arsenal and simply pick the one they deem most suitable for the 'task'. For people familiar with this stuff it doesn't take a second thought which one to choose for a certain 'job'.

Posted by: Hmpf | Jan 7 2020 13:48 utc | 256

Guys and gals, if you know some russian (i'm lucky to know some) here is a good geopolitical analisator that i found recently.

Some of his stuff on the current Iran - US situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJJPRW-1KS8

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 14:09 utc | 257

If I was a govenment any where in the world, govenment member, millionaire, curupt or not, large business corporation or finance institution - - -
I would be removing my money from the US Doller/banks and or the U.K. pound/banks right now !
In the blink of an eye it will be frozen or be worthless !
Ditto all those ‘off shore accounts’
Time to hit the USA where it hurts !

Sanction their arse, no trade
How many USA diplomats have been sent back world wide compared to the Skripal affair ect ect.
Extradite Trump to Iraq along with his gang and let’s get back to sanity

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 7 2020 14:31 utc | 258

Putin currently in surprise visit to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/477648-putin-visit-syria-assad/

I have a tingly feeling he might visit Tehran too.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 7 2020 14:32 utc | 259

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 13:32 utc | 254

Saudi is a divided house. The last shake down by the current ruling psychopath XXX must have that place feel like they are all sitting on a ticking bomb. A look on the map says that if anything is dropped on Iran Saudi Arabia will get it in spades first. Now that would spin the World off its economic orbit while the Russians would be laughing as the price of oil would go through the roof.

Here is some info regarding oil production,
https://aleklett.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/oil-production-in-the-north-sea.jpg
http://crudeoilpeak.info/wp-content/uploads/Indonesia_oil_production_vs_consumption_1965-2015-1.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/548/18714535876_f562307588_z.jpg

Someone mentioned that if ME oil was cutoff US could take care of itself with Shale Oil. First thing to know is that shale is the bottom of the barrel source of oil. Why? Because it comes from very low permeability rock which means it does not flow easily out of it. To get economic production levels you need to frac and do special treatment of the formation WHICH IS EXPENSIVE !!!!! Additionally the "lifetime" of such wells is SHORT.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tim_Boersma/publication/307210435/figure/fig5/AS:668878464106508@1536484461943/Decline-curves-for-oil-production-from-conventional-wells-and-from-tight-oil-Bakken.png

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 14:35 utc | 260

Ooops, XXX is MbS or Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 14:37 utc | 261


Interesting points of the analisator:

There are russian EW specialists in Iran who help with capturing US drones. Iran might receive covert russian help during a potential conflict to help disable Tomahawk missiles.

US bases in the Middle East are very vulnerable because their primary Air Defense is being provided by Aegis equipped ships, who will not be able to enter the Persian Gulf during war, thus US bases in the region will end up relying on old and ineffective ground systems such as Patriot and will be leveled by ballistic and cruise missiles.

He also does believe that the US can destroy Iran by conventional means, but the cost is too high and there is no support from Gulf states for such a war.

He sees no war between the US and Iran, and the rattle of weapons as prelude to negotiations. In other words shaping the terrain for negotiations, where both sides are trying to get into better positions. The "bullying" of each other is part of the "negotiation" process.

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 14:38 utc | 262

@Tom_LX - I knew which XXX you were referring to when you mentioned the current ruling psychopath in Saudi XXXrabia.

Posted by: Information_Agent | Jan 7 2020 14:40 utc | 263

@ Passer by | Jan 7 2020 12:17 utc | 241

His remarks about the calls and threats and so on are shocking, especially as they're almost certainly true.

People might want to re-read 241 and "share".

Whatabuncha thugs. Of course they had no compunctions about nuking women and kids in Japan, or frying them at Dresden, or as Mark Twain wrote shooting them down in a slaughter in the Philippines, or indeed at the original Thanksgiving...or any other time - as they incinerated them in Philadelphia (That night, the city of Philadelphia dropped a satchel bomb, a demolition device typically used in combat, laced with Tovex and C-4 explosives on the MOVE organization, who w...).

Solzhenitsyn said the West was morally bankrupt. Who, now, can dispute it?

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 14:42 utc | 264

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 12:53 utc | 248

This particular story does not make any sense at all. Adil Abdul-Mahdi emphasised Souleimani was on an official visit - which may be politically necessary but not necessarily true.

Souleimani was received at the airport by the commander of a Shiite military group fighting in Iraq and Syria whose members the US had been killing by airstrikes in the weeks before. He was not received by a representative of the Prime Minister.

It is quite possible that the US targeted the commander and not Souleimani. It would explain why Trump was playing golf. The commander would have been - just about - proportional for the attack on the US embassy.

This is now perception management. Can the US kill representatives of hostile states simply by designing them as terrorist without a declaration of war, or is this simply an illegal act. This will not be decided by lawyers but by politics.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 7 2020 14:45 utc | 265

Petri Krohn @253 posted a very interesting link. The article in question is very short so I reproduce it below.

A translation of the below thread by Ahmad Khazraji on Iraqi caretaker Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi, in which he reveals the reasons he held his silence and resigned.

(Most significantly, he reveals that US Marine snipers fired at Iraqi protestors.)

The first revelation is why Halbousi attended the parliamentary session while almost none of the Sunni members did. This was because the Americans learned Abdul-Mehdi planned to reveal sensitive secrets in the session, and sent Halbousi to prevent this.

Halbousi cut Abdul-Mehdi off during the beginning of his speech, then asked for the live airing of the session to be stopped. After this, Halbousi and the other members sat by Abdul-Mehdi and spoke openly with no recording.

(Actually unclear to me exactly what happens here, but the important part is that the broadcast is cut off and Abdul-Mehdi keeps talking)

This is what was discussed in that session (unbroadcast): Abdul-Mehdi spoke angrily of how the Americans had ruined the country and now refused to complete the infrastructure and electricity grid projects unless they are promised 50% of oil revenues - Which Abdul-Mehdi refused.

Abdul-Mehdi: This is why I visited China and signed an important agreement with them to undertake the construction instead. Upon my return, Trump called me to rescind the agreement, and when I refused, he threatened me with huge demonstrations against me that would end my PM-ship

Abdul-Mehdi: And so indeed huge demos materialised against me, and Trump calls again and says, if I don’t comply w/ his demands, he will station Marines snipers atop highest buildings, who will target and kill protestors and security forces alike, in an attempt to pressure me.

Abdul-Mahdi: Again I refused, & handed in my resignation, and to this day the Americans insist on cancelling our deal with China.

Abdul-Mehdi: After this, when our Minister of Defense publicly said that a third side was targeting both protestors and security (just as Trump threatened), I receive a new call from Trump who threatened to kill both me and the MoD if we keep talking about this “third side”.

So to summarise, & to get this straight, the US has:

- refused to finish reconstructing the country they destroyed

- demanded 50% of all oil revenues from Iraq in exchange for finishing this work (gangster-style)

- lost their mind when Iraq looked to China instead

- demanded that Iraq rescind the agreement, & upon rejection, fomented mass protests

- demanded anew, and this time when rejected again, stationed Marines snipers to take out protestors and security men

- threatened to KILL the caretaker PM and the MoD if word of this got out

by Ibn Riad

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2020 14:47 utc | 266

EFPs and IEDs are far below the pay grade of any kind of general.

Telling people how to make them is also far below their pay grade.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 7 2020 14:57 utc | 267

US keep escalating, and Germany once again blame Iran!

"US Plans to Build Airfield for Strategic Bombers in Iraq - Security Official"

"Germany Says Iran Is Responsible for De-escalating Tensions With US"

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001071077966592-live-updates-us-preparing-for-possible-iran-response-after-soleimani-murder-as-quds-leader-buried/#article_item_1077968301

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 7 2020 15:09 utc | 268

265 ADKC

Thanks - mind blowing.
The worst things about Mehdi' story is firstly it seems to be true and secondly most of us will not hesititate to believe it.
This is the DC cesspit - the dregs of US 'diplomacy'.
Threats, bullying and actual mass murder as enforcement.
Do we now know the truth about Maidan..

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 15:13 utc | 269

Emily @248

I thought the same thing about Saudi Arabia. They have not made any statement on the matter whatsoever (can anyone advise me otherwise?). This is very suspicious. Saudi should be outraged because:

1. Their diplomacy was insulted.

2. Saudi Arabia may be blamed and attacked or there may well be a Shi-ite uprising.

3. Making clear their disproval of US actions would go some way to removing the Kingdom as a target for retribution.

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia expressed its condemnation of the attacks that targeted the United States Embassy in Baghdad" on 2nd January - the US embassy protests took place on 31st Dec & 1st Jan.

The Saudi silence on the Soliemani assassination suggests collusion with the US - that KSA helped set up Soliemani. We will see (in time) whether Iran also that view.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2020 15:15 utc | 270

Let's understand this..."threatened to KILL..." Murder is a better word for it.

But now that the cat's outta th' bag, I guess Trumpie will have to make good the threat, or lose "creds". Semper Fi hooorah! (Sieg Heil?)

In my own fightin' days (long ago) I often said "take your best shot". I never lost - but a gunfight calls for some planning... Comrade Texas is an expert at gunfights. He, by the way, expects the war-empire to present Comrade P with an ultimatum next April. russelltexasbentley [dot] com. Comrade Texas has relevant and expert opinions, about the whole matter. He might be somewhat strident - he's that kinna guy. Texas is typical guy from Texas, in an unusual life. The Imperial Prisons pissed him off, he went to war against Empire years ago, with his gun. Joined the CP too.

Question, after the war ends with dollar worthless, what happens to General Bumf's pension and the sweet deal with Luckup Corp? Will the demob'd soldiers get VA benefits? Forget all of that...

Do I hear them building a gallows?, there's hammering...somewhere...

BTW frack oil takes more energy to extract than can be recovered from the product. It's a net negative - it uses energy, it does not add to it...when the overall process is evaluated. Of course there are ways to pretend it ain't so. These are delusions of the moment.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 15:15 utc | 271

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 7 2020 12:17 utc | 241
Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2020 14:47 utc | 265
Great Info !!!

Sounds just how a Mafia would talk to a victim. US is not interested in a reconstructed functioning normally Iraq. Chaos is what they want. What was done to Iraq and Libya says it all. Next was devastation of Syria which simply showed that all nations in that region are a target of Chaos. I think Turkey is a bit too much for them to bite but the attempt to take out Erdogon was done in that spirit.

Who remembers this one ? It was like shooting star at night, we saw it and then it just as quickly disappeared from the News Cycle :-)
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 15:19 utc | 272

Putin is in unannounced visit to Damascus right now. Interesting if he visits Tehran after this, but maybe not necessary.

Posted by: BG | Jan 7 2020 15:29 utc | 273

And it is Orthodox Christmas today as well.

Posted by: BG | Jan 7 2020 15:32 utc | 274

In an alternate universe this happened:

“We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that’s there. It cost billions of dollars to build. Long before my time. We’re not leaving unless they pay us back for it,” Trump said.

An Iraqi spokesman replied, "That's okay. We don't want it. Just take it with you."

Posted by: pasha | Jan 7 2020 15:35 utc | 275

have no idea what the inducement might be, but the Chinese have the ability to stop the US military - just start buying the world with all those dollars

no US deficit = no US military

Posted by: old Bill | Jan 7 2020 15:40 utc | 276

Tom Luongo, in his latest article, talks about what the effect of the Soliemani assassination will have on the West. He makes two points:

1. The US/Trump is inexorably heading towards an airstrike on Iran’s Fordow Nuclear Facility.

2. That the US/Trump will no longer be able to make any agreement that matters with anyone.

3. That this is the moment the EU separates its interests from the US.

4. That Netanyahu has manipulated and, now, abandoned Trump.

After Soleimani Killing Suddenly the U.S. is Alone

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2020 15:48 utc | 277

269 ADKC

Agree absolutely.
The silence is deafening.
How Iran feels about the matter of the Saudi peace negotiations, which were seemingly just a hoax and trickery, we have not seemed to hear.
They were taken for a complete ride.
They were treated as total suckers and were clearly being made fools of.
Their integrity and good faith abused.
If I were the Saudis I would be more concerned at the Iranian silence than had there been questions, protest and rightful anger.
With the evil of Saudi Wahhabism and the exporting and funding of the proposed European Caliphate to be birthed with Balkan style bloody terror across Europe - as a Brit I sincerely hope Iran has Saudi in its sights as well
They are a threat to the entire western world - Europe seeming their prime target - aided and abetted by European politicians I might add..
De clawing the Saudis would be on a par with the destruction of ISIS.
Litte different.
Same fanaticism, conquest and philosophy.
The intent the same in both cases, enforced and imposed islam and both in the USA's embrace.

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 15:48 utc | 278

Emily @268 & Tom_LX @271

Thanks but it is Petri Kohn @253 who deserves the credit!

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2020 15:53 utc | 279

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2020 15:53 utc | 278

The US will have put extreme pressure on Iraqi politicians - in vain - but this is not credible.
Iran - and proxies - have very wisely accused the US - only the US. Israel and Saudi are very wisely keeping out of the conflict.

If you recreate a sectarian war this will blow up the Middle East - another time.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 7 2020 16:07 utc | 280

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 15:48 utc | 277
The Saudi's must have forgotten this lesson from history,
https://www.arabnews.com/node/311576.

Prince Turki, who was an adviser at the Royal Court in 1973 when King Faisal took the oil-embargo decision, said the king was not shaken by the US threat and stood firm.

He added that the oil embargo was instrumental in encouraging the US to find a quick and just solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. “King Faisal and other Arab leaders were forced to take the decision as a result of America’s unprecedented support for Israel during the war,” the prince said.

He added that American officials talked about the possibility of attacking Saudi oil fields, something that was leaked in US newspapers. Some of these statements came from the then US State Secretary Henry Kissinger.

Prince Turki said King Faisal, who was in Jeddah at the time, received a telegram from Kissinger warning that if the Kingdom did not lift the embargo, the US would take all measures to protect its interests.

“The message was not specific about the measures they were going to take, but it appeared that they would use force. A CIA representative gave me the unsigned message, telling me it was from Kissinger... I went to the king and conveyed its contents. He received the message, read it and said: ‘Kheir insha Allah (Good, God willing).’

“It was very clear that it had come from the American government... The king was very relaxed, cheerful, humorous and was in good spirits despite the threat... This reflected his high quality and determination. He was giving the message that the Kingdom would not bow down to a threat, as a result of a decision it had taken with other Arab countries. It was a great reply,” said Prince Turki.

And then as though by "miracle" the independent minded King Faisal was assassinated. The royal assassin (witness) was however quickly dispatched to meet death,

BEIRUT, Lebanon, June 18—Kneeling before a crowd of 10,000 a white‐robed Saudi prince was beheaded in Riyadh today for the assassination of his uncle, King Faisal, on March 25.

The crowd reportedly watched silently as the executioner swung a sword with a golden hilt, but then thousands broke into chants of “God is great!” and “Justice is done!”

Twenty‐seven‐year‐old Prince Faisal bin Musaed bin Abdelaziz had been convicted by a Koranic law court of having shot his uncle to death, the Saudi Government said in a broadcast announcing the beheading.
Kissinger was the last person to meet with him.
....
The investigation extended to Prince Faisal's activities and personal acquaintances while he was studying in the United States, first at the University of Colorado and later at the University of California at Berkeley, from 1969 to 1973. He was once arrested on charges of selling the drug LSD.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 16:08 utc | 281

The Troparian for the Feast of the Nativity:

Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendant One
And the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One
Angels and shepherds glorify Him
The wise men journey with the star
Since for our sakes the Eternal God was born
As a little child

Tradition says the magi, the wise men, who journeyed from the East
were coming from Persia, so it is fitting that Orthodox Christians
celebrate today that national heritage as now and forever it will be in
our thoughts when we sing this hymn on Christmas day.

The wise men journeyed with the star.

A very blessed and holy Christmas to all mankind.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2020 16:15 utc | 282

That Trump is isolated is nonsense.
Nato just backed him. EU did the same.
What else is needed in terms of support?

EU have changed for the worse since Iraq invasion. Today EU do not even protest the american wars.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 7 2020 16:16 utc | 283

Emily @277

I'm thinking along the same lines.

Saudis were fine plotting with USA and Israel and funding a Jihadi proxy army but don't want the war to come to them. Isn't it convenient that they started de-escalation talks soon before everything comes to a head?

Seymour Hersh described the planning back in 2007: The Redirection.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 7 2020 16:20 utc | 284

Zanon @ 282

They can back the him all they want. Their collective economies won't survive another prolonged war bigger than Iraq. Once the missiles start flying, all those backing will fade into silence. Nobody will want to be in the firing range for Trump.

Posted by: Zico | Jan 7 2020 16:23 utc | 285

One spark and the oil stops. EU shrivels into popular revolution. Like Zico says...it does not matter about "backing", it matters about the oil and the money and the morals, not "backing".

The Policy in play, the Imperial Policy, began sometime during W2 - between '43 and 'April of '44, and has 4 foundational elements.

Remove Wallace, Put pliable Truman in, remove FDR (if he did not die on time, bring USSR to heel with the bomb)

All these foundations are crumbling, as the boffins predicted up on the mesa.

Trumpie and zionists have dynamited what was left.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 16:31 utc | 286

The reading from the prophet Micah:

In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble
her that halteth, and I will gather her that
is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
and I will make her that halteth a remnant,
and her that was cast far off a strong nation;
and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion
from henceforth, even for ever. But thou,
Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among
the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall
He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in
Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old,
from everlasting. Therefore will He give them up,
until the time that she which travaileth hath
brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren
shall return unto the children of Israel. And
He shall stand and feed in the strength of the
Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord
His God; and they shall abide: for now shall He be great unto the ends of the earth."

Then is said, standing:

"Thou wast born secretly in the cave, but heaven spoke through a star and proclaimed Thee to all, O Saviour,
And it brought to Thee Magi, who worshipped Thee with faith:Have mercy upon them and upon us."

[I give these quotations from the Vespers (evening) service of the Orthodox Christian celebration of the Nativity of Christ, simply to help free this page from being stretched out for some. When b does so it will perhaps force what I write into entanglements, but the main points will still be here.]


Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2020 16:53 utc | 287

@248 william r henry... thanks for stating this.. a lot of americans don't seem to have a clue about this. - "that leads to the erroneous conclusion that Trump is the problem and thus that replacing Trump is all that is needed to fix the problem. Sadly, that is not even the starting point for fixing what ails America. Americans fixing their own heads? That is a much better starting point."

@ 253 petri krohn... thanks for sharing all that.. i wonder how much of it is true - 100%, or ??? it is hard to imagine a good chunk of it not being true... maybe it is all true..

@269 ADKC.. quote "The Saudi silence on the Soliemani assassination suggests collusion with the US - that KSA helped set up Soliemani." maybe, but i doubt it... ksa is in bed with the usa for the most part.. that is obvious.. whether they were a part of a set up, i am not so sure.. i am not surprised at the silence from ksa on this.. the ksa creatures are not that bright.. one just has to look at the kashoggi shake down to see how unsophisticated and backward they are.. the more likely scenario is they are being used as the fall guy by usa-israel... but i think we have to wait and see what comes out on all this.. i am sure iran has a much clearer read on all this.. one really can't negotiate with any of these countries - usa-israel-ksa.. they are all a pack of vipers..

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 16:57 utc | 288

More photos from Putin’s first ever visit to Damascus: President Putin arrives in Damascus on visit, meets President al-Assad (SANA). Tomorrow he will travel to Turkey for the official opening of the TurkStream pipeline and detailed discussions with Erdogan on Syria and Lybia. On January 11 Merkel will visit Moscow to discuss the fallout from the assassination of Soleimani.

Posted by: S | Jan 7 2020 16:59 utc | 289

@282
" That Trump is isolated is nonsense.
Nato just backed him. EU did the same.
What else is needed in terms of support?"


Today Germany transfered 35 personel out of Iraq,
Serbia too.
Others will follow.

Posted by: Arata | Jan 7 2020 16:59 utc | 290

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 16:31 utc | 285
Walter I would go even further back, to Wilson era.

Check out an online book by Solzhenitsyn, "200 yrs Together". No published English version of the book (ha ha ha) exists but there is a translation of it in the Net as a pdf.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 17:03 utc | 291

Things are moving fairly quickly:

The russians have offered Iraq to deliver S-400 to them:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-offers-iraq-s-400-air-defense-system-to-protect-airspace/

The chinese embassador have offered military assistance to the Iraqi PM after the parliament approved expel US army:

https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1214229828376891392

So now USA after losing many thousands soldiers dead and many more wounded and after expending trillions of U$, anybody really think the US will deliver graciously the biggest cheap oil reserves in the world to the chineses and russians?

No, they will fight nails and teeth, with everything they have, and if not Trump the next POTUS will do the same, it is a matter of survival of the US Empire and the country as a united entity

All the empires end with a major military defeat, and in the case of the British Empire the crushing defeat was Dunkirk, after Dunkirk in some weeks the gold from UK was sent not to Canada, but to Fort Knox, and from that day all the British Empire was an American Pretectorate.
Germans really ended the British Empire in a stroke in 1940, from that day USA start to take control of the ME oil


Posted by: DFC | Jan 7 2020 17:10 utc | 292

Because that leads to the erroneous conclusion that Trump is the problem and thus that replacing Trump is all that is needed to fix the problem. Sadly, that is not even the starting point for fixing what ails America. Americans fixing their own heads? That is a much better starting point. yes, by: William R Henry @ 240

I agree, the USA is a government, it is not a nation.. its a corporation with legal rights only so long as its charter (constitution) is ratified by the living humans it expects to govern.

Some people think the USA is a country <=its not, its a => a description of a set of jobs organized as a governmental organization [in class=Nation State]. Like all governmental organizations; it operates only so long as its charter is not revoked by failure of ratification. The constitutional contract (constitution) maps jobs into three different compartments (branches of the organizational structure). Each job description outlines the duties of those who will occupy the job, and allows to that person in that job certain limited power to be used by persons hired to execute the duties assigned to the job. This ensemble of jobs described in the constitution, forms an organizational structure that can be animated by persons hired to fill the positions in the structure. The charter also spells out a name for the organization, in this case the USA a and names for the jobs.
The authority to perform the duties mapped to each position in the organizational structure is called power. Those powers that apply to the congress are called legislative powers (Article I), and those powers assigned to the executive branch are called executive powers (Article II) and those powers assigned to the judicial branch are called judicial powers (Article III) .

Article VII of the Constitution conditioned its authority to operate on a process called ratification. But its authority to continue its operations is, and always has been, subject to majority will (affirmative ratification by all those living humans to be governed by the constitution). The "subject to" is described in the Declaration of Independence(1776); and is part of the package of inalienable rights, which our maker secured within all living humans; one such right is that everywhere, all living humans are entitled to self determination. Therefore the authority to operate any governmental organization is always subject to the majority will (ratification by) of the living who are the actual collective humanity targeted to be the governed; which means as new generations replace old generations, contracts expire unless renewed by the living. Ratification is a conditional privilege which can only be affirmed by those who are parties to the contract. Ratification is not a one time thing because the humanity that lives today is not the same humanity that lived yesterday. Ratification cannot be willed by those who died, nor can it be extended beyond the death of those who affirmed by ratification the contract. When the living die off, a new group of targets to be governed exist, and the old ratification expires. Without re affirmation by ratification by one vote of each of the living summing to a agreed on majority there is no contract.

Why is this so? Because the power to govern is the power to enslave, and because democracy does not encompass slavery, all contracts between the governed and any governmental organization must always be subject to ratification by those who are targeted to be among the governed. In America ratification has long been established as the process by contracts self extinguish and become null and void. Without on-going affirmative ratification by the living, there is no contract.

Nowhere can I find that the long ago ratified constitution, includes a power or authorizes a job within its structure to protect the economic interest of wildcat speculators, banksters and corporations or any other who venture, outside of USA governed America, into foreign lands, and who conduct there, activities that can by their operation, end up threatening the safety or security of Americans or America. Americans, even our earliest Americans never ratified any such contract that i can find.

Posted by: snake | Jan 7 2020 17:11 utc | 293

@ Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 17:03 utc | 290

Indeed yes. The Imperial Policy does extend back in Time, perhaps to the 1600's. I mean, the Red Indians and the buffalo and the apartheid and the Slaves (some were white, too). It's part bigotry, part privilege, part structural, and also geographic. Like Marx said, circumstances are a big deal. In some sense these criminals are also victims as are the people they cheat and murder. But it doesn't change much, does it?.

Yet under JFK and also FDR there were "hesitations",or, as I heard McCain say of JFK, "corrections" (that video is now gone from YT, and I think B41 also said "correction" of the Kennedy affair. He outta know, he was running the job).

About old John - he changed when he began to grow up in office. They say Mary Meyer wrote his American University Speech, and that they dropped some acid too. If so, yeah, big change. See the Light and all of that.)

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 17:19 utc | 294

The USA is a country and its people are responsible for its government; they have enough guns to do the open revolt way if they disagreed that much. So, indeed, Trump isn't the problem, just is just the visible sign of the problem, which is lies with the majority of the US people (and, I'd dareay, the majority of supporters of both parties, not just the GOP).
Sadly, for things to truly go better in the world, either a lot of American people change deeply, or the country as such is weakened to the point it can be drown in the bathtub.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 7 2020 17:20 utc | 295

=/ January 7, 2020 / 2:07 AM / Updated 21 minutes ago

U.S. denies Iran's Zarif a visa to attend U.N.: U.S. official /= --
Reuters

Posted by: blues | Jan 7 2020 17:21 utc | 296

@ 295 blues... usa making a mockery of the concept of the UN again.. what else is new?

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 17:27 utc | 297

Mohammad Javad Zarif is Iran's Foreign Minister, and The U.S. State Department has just now denied him a visa so as to prevent him from attending a U.N. Security Council meeting.

Posted by: blues | Jan 7 2020 17:29 utc | 298

psychohistorian @160--

Sorry, but a few minutes after making my last comment the laptop I was using seized again, so I called it quits for the night. The floated idea to delay the trade deal was within the Global Times editorial I linked to in that comment. Russia floated the idea of moving some UN operations soon after some of its team were denied visas to attend the UNGA Debates last September.

As I explained to Teresa last night, by choosing to focus the retaliation on the entity that committed the atrocity--the Evil Outlaw US Empire's military with the aim of expelling it completely from the region--Iran and its allies allow for the HOPE proposal to still go forward as the assassination proves the need for such a collective defense arrangement that excludes unworthy actors while still welcoming others like Russia and China deemed worthy of enhancing the overall agreement. The Empire helps advance the process by its refusal to leave the region after being demanded it do so as the sort of war needed to eliminate its presence will damage every nation within the region, which none of the nations want. Thus, we can see how Maximum Pressure can work in reverse as even the Zionists can understand that logic--as strange as it may seem, it's in the interest of Occupied Palestine to want such a peace/collective security outcome as that will save it from certain destruction.

Zarif's tweet was picked up and published by numerous outlets and is quite damning and impossible to defend:

"Denying me a visa in violation of 1947 UNHQ Agreement pales in comparison to:

-Pompeo's threat to starve Iranians (crime against humanity)
-Trump's bluster about cultural heritage (war crime)
-#EconomicTerrorism
-Cowardly assassination

"But what are they really afraid of? Truth?" [My Emphasis]

Yes!! The Truth is exactly what scares the shit out of the Current Oligarchy. Imagine the vast majority of the US electorate knowing what us barflies know about reality!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2020 17:30 utc | 299

Awesome to see that China is now in no hurry to proceed with trade agreement.
Wish that Russia, China and some others could make a show at UN on Thursday - walk out and do not return to that den of snakes.

Along that line would like to inject some humor re. US, diplomacy, Niki Haley:
https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/shocking-video-nikki-haley-groveling-and-pandering-aipac-event-israel-lobby/ri22146
You will laugh while crying.

Posted by: jared | Jan 7 2020 17:33 utc | 300

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