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January 06, 2020

Axis Of Resistance Says How It Will Avenge Qassem Soleimani

The media continue to tell fairytales about Qassem Soleimani and about Trump's decision to assassinate him and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. Meanwhile the Resistance Axis announced how it will avenge their deaths.

In their descriptions of Qassem Soleimani U.S. media fail to mention that Soleimani and the U.S. fought on the same side. In 2001 Iran supported the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. It used its good relations with the Hazara Militia and the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, which both the CIA and Iran had supplied for years, to support the U.S. operation. The Wikipedia entry for the 2001 uprising in Herat lists U.S. General Tommy Franks and General Qassem Soleimani as allied commanders.

The collaboration ended in 2002 after George W. Bush named Iran as a member of his "Axis of Evil".

In 2015 the U.S. and Iran again collaborated. This time to defeat ISIS in Iraq. During the battle to liberate Tikrit the U.S. air force flew in support of General Soleimani's ground forces. Newsweek reported at that time:

While western nations, including the U.S., were slow to react to ISIS's march across northern Iraq, Soleimani was quick to play a more public role in Tehran's efforts to tackle the terror group. For example, the commander was seen in pictures with militiamen in the northern Iraqi town of Amerli when it was recaptured from ISIS last September.
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Top U.S. general Martin Dempsey has said that the involvement of Iran in the fight against ISIS in Iraq could be a positive step, as long as the situation does not descend into sectarianism, because of fears surrounding how Shia militias may treat the remaining Sunni population of Tikrit if it is recaptured. The military chief also claimed that almost two thirds of the 30,000 offensive were Iranian-backed militiamen, meaning that without Iranian assistance and Soleimani's guidance, the offensive on Tikrit may not have been possible.

It is deplorable that U.S. media and politicians blame Soleimani for U.S. casualties during the invasion of Iraq. Shia groups caused only 17% of all U.S. casualties and fought, like the Sadr Brigades, without support from Iran. There are also revived claims that Iran provided the Iraqi resistance with Explosive Formed Penetrators used in roadside bombs. But that claim had been proven to be was false more than 12 years ago. The "EFP from Iran" story was part of a U.S. PSYOPS campaign to explain away the real reason why it was losing the war. There were dozens of reports which proved that the EFPs were manufactured in Iraq and there never was any evidence that Iran delivered weapons or anything else to the Iraqi resistance:

Britain, whose forces have had responsibility for security in southeastern Iraq since the war began, has found nothing to support the Americans' contention that Iran is providing weapons and training in Iraq, several senior military officials said.

"I have not myself seen any evidence -- and I don't think any evidence exists -- of government-supported or instigated" armed support on Iran's part in Iraq, British Defense Secretary Des Browne said in an interview in Baghdad in late August.

Iran is not responsible for the U.S. casualties in Iraq. George W. Bush is. What made Soleimani "bad" in the eyes of the U.S. was his support for the resistance against the Zionist occupation of Palestine. It was Israel that wanted him 'removed'. The media explanations for Trump's decision fail to explain that point.

The New York Times reported yesterday that Trump picked the 'wrong' item from a list of possible courses of action that the military had presented him. That sounded like bullshit invented to take blame away from Trump and to put it onto the military.

The Washington Post reports today that the idea to kill Soleimani came from Secretary of State Pompeo:

Pompeo first spoke with Trump about killing Soleimani months ago, said a senior U.S. official, but neither the president nor Pentagon officials were willing to countenance such an operation.
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[This time o]ne significant factor was the “lockstep” coordination for the operation between Pompeo and Esper, both graduates in the same class at the U.S. Military Academy, who deliberated ahead of the briefing with Trump, senior U.S. officials said. Pence also endorsed the decision, but he did not attend the meeting in Florida.

It is possible that the report is correct but it sounds more like an arranged story to blame Pompeo for the bad consequences Trump's decision will have.

During his election campaign Trump did not even know (vid) who Soleimani was. Someone indoctrinated him. The idea to assassinate Soleimani came most likely from Netanyahoo and must have been planted into Trump's head quite a while ago. Israel could have killed Soleimani several times while he was openly traveling in Syria. It shied away from doing that as it (rightly) feared the consequences. Now the U.S. will have to endure them.

The consequences continue to pile up.

The decision by the Iraqi government and parliament to kick all foreign troops out of the country leaves some flexibility in the timeline. The U.S. and other military are in Iraq under simple agreements that were exchanged between the Iraqi Foreign Ministry and the other sides. The ministry can fulfill the parliament decision by simply writing letters that declare that the agreements end next week. It could also choose to wait until the end of the year. But Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi has publicly declared that he can no longer guarantee the security of foreign troops on Iraqi ground. That makes the issue urgent and it is likely that the troops will leave rather soon.

Trump did not like the idea and threatened Iraq with sanctions:

Speaking to reporters on Air Force One, the U.S. president said: “If they do ask us to leave, if we don’t do it in a very friendly basis, we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”

“We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that’s there. It cost billions of dollars to build. Long before my time. We’re not leaving unless they pay us back for it,” Trump said.

The president added that “If there’s any hostility, that they do anything we think is inappropriate, we are going to put sanctions on Iraq, very big sanctions on Iraq.”

There are also some 2,900 Twitter bots who try to let the parliament decision look illegitimate by tweeting "I am Iraqi and parliament doesn't represent me". It is not known if these are Saudi or U.S. bots but their behavior is inauthentic.

There is nothing Trump can do to keep the troops in Iraq. If the Iraqi government does not tell them to leave the Popular Militia Forces will attack the U.S. bases and evict the U.S. military by force. When the U.S. assassinated Soleimani and PMU leader al-Muhandis it made that step inevitable.

Yesterday Iran took a decision to exceed the number of centrifuges that are allowed to run under the JCPOA nuclear agreement which the U.S. has left. The decision had been expected and the Soleimani assassination only accelerated it. Iran took the step under §36 of the agreement which allows Iran to exceed the limits if the other sides of the JCPOA do not stick to their commitments. That means that Iran is still within the JCPOA and that the step is reversible. The IAEA will continue to have access to Iran's sites and will continue to report regularly about Iran's civil nuclear program.

The JCPOA co-signers France, the UK and Germany issued a very unhelpful statement today that puts all blame on Iran and does not even mention the U.S. assassinations of Soleimani.

Iran has not announced what kind of operation it will use to avenge the death of its national hero Qassem Soleimani. It will likely be some asymmetrical operation against the U.S. military somewhere around the globe. It will certainly be a big one.

Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah, a dear friend of Soleimani, announced yesterday that the Resistance Axis will take its own, separate  revenge.


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Here are edited excerpts from Nasrallah's rather long speech (which is worth reading in full):

Today we commemorate Soleimani and al-Muhandis, two great commanders, and their Iraqi and Iranian companions who were martyred in this recent crime. The date of Soleimani's assassination is an inflection point in the history of the region, not just for Iran or Iraq. It is a new beginning.
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Soleimani's assassination isn't an isolated incident. It's the beginning of new American approach to the region. The U.S. carefully weighed what move they could take to reverse all their previous failures. But this wasn't war with Iran. Trump knows war with Iran would be difficult and dangerous. So, what could they do that wouldn't lead to war with Iran? They settled on killing Qassem Soleimani, a central figure in the Resistance Axis.
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Qassem Soleimani was the glue that held the Resistance Axis together, and so they decided to kill him, and to kill him openly, which would also have its psychological impact.
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Our responsibility in the Resistance Axis is divided into three points.
  1. Trump's goal was to terrify us all, and subjugate us. The leadership of Resistance will not waver or back down at all. To the contrary, the martyrdom of Soleimani and Muhandis will only drive us forward.
  2. Resistance must coordinate and become closer, to strengthen itself and its capabilities, because the region is heading toward a new phase.
  3. In terms of response, we have to consider just punishment. In terms of this crime, the one who committed it is known, and must be punished.

Soleimani isn't just an Iranian matter, he is all of the Resistance Axis - Palestine, Lebanon Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, and every country which has supporter and lover of Resistance. The umma. This isn't an Iranian issue alone. Iran can also respond as it pleases, but that response doesn't exempt the Resistance Axis from also responding. Iran won't ask you to do anything - to act or not to act. But Resistance Axis forces must decide how to deal with Soleimani's death.

So, if any Resistance Axis faction avenges his death, that their decision, and Iran isn't behind that. Iran won't ask anything. It's up to us how to respond. Do we content ourselves with mourning and eulogizing? We must all head towards just punishment.

What do we mean by just punishment? Some are saying this must be someone of the same level as Qassem Soleimani - like Chairman of Joint Chiefs, head of @CENTCOM, but there is no one on Soleimani or Muhandis' level. Soleimani's shoe is worth more than Trump's head, so there's no one I can point to to say this is the person we can target.

Just punishment therefore means American military presence in the region, U.S. military bases, U.S. military ships, every American officer and soldier in our countries and regions. The U.S. military is the one who killed Soleimani and Muhandis, and they will pay the price. This is the equation.

I want to be very clear, we do not mean American citizens or nationals. There are many Americans in our region. We don't mean to attack them, and it is wrong to harm them. Attacking US civilians anywhere serves Trump's interests.

The American military institution put itself in the midst of battle by carrying out the assassination.

There are those who will say I'm blowing things out of proportion. I'm not. I'm seeing it as it is. We won't accept our region, its holy places, and natural resources to be handed over to the Zionists.

If the resistance axis heads in this direction, the Americans will leave our region, humiliated, defeated, and terrified. The suicide martyrs who forced the US out of the region before remain. If our region's peoples head in this direction - when the coffins of of U.S. soldiers and officers - they arrived vertically, and will return horizontally - Trump and his admin will know they lost the region, and will lose the elections.

The response to the blood of Soleimani and Al-Muhandis must be expulsion of all U.S, forces from the region. When we accomplish this goal, the liberation of Palestine will become imminent. When US forces leave the region, these Zionists will pack their bags and leave, and might not need a battle with Israel.

General Esmail Qaani, Soleimani's replacement as commander of the Quds Brigade, endorsed Nasrallah's proposal:

Going Underground on RT @Underground_RT - 00:14 UTC · Jan 6, 2020

Esmail Qaani, the new leader of Iran's IRGC Quds Force:
"Our promise is to continue the path of martyr Soleimani. Due to the martyrdom of #Soleimani, our promise will be the expulsion of the US from the region in different steps."

These are not empty threats but a military project that will play out over the next years. I would not bet on the U.S. as the winner of that war.

There were millions of Iranians in the streets of Tehran today to mourn Qassem Soleimani. The Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei shed tears while reciting the funeral prayer (vid). As Ayatollah Khomeini once said: “They call us a nation of tears, but with these tears we overthrew an empire.”

Fereshteh Sadeghi فرشته صادقی @fresh_sadegh - 5:15 UTC · Jan 6, 2020
I was given this poster tonight by 2 young men next to a stand that offered tea and dates to motorists (dates as a sign of mourning in Iran), I want to stick it on my car’s rear window. It reads: A world will avenge you, with hashtag #crushing_response

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There will be hundreds of thousands of volunteers should Iran need them to avenge Soleimani. That is why we predicted that the U.S. will come to regret its evil deed.

And while the situation can be reasonably compared to the build up to the war on Iraq I do not see a war happening. Wars are very risky as the enemy gets a vote. Any war with Iran would likely cost ten thousands of U.S. casualties. Trump is probably not stupid enough to launch such a war and certainly not during an election year.

During his campaign Trump said he wanted the U.S. military out of the Middle East. Iran and its allies will help him to keep that promise.

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Clueless Joe | Jan 7 2020 17:20 utc | 294

The last civil war in the US was fought to prevent foreign control. It began with economic ties between the cotton growers and English mills and factories, generally based on cheap labor, slaves and exploited whites. The North laid a tax on this. The South seceded, according to Law. Thus ended the Republic and Empire began. Then, after the Imperial Domination of the natives, Hawaii, Philippines, China (that last one didn't work out, but my grandfather was stationed in China and my father was born there - US Navy, Annapolis 1912

If, when Empires fall, they tend to chaos, or civil war, as others have said supra vide. Metastatic conditions, when they change, change Fast!

It is quite obvious that regional governors will invite foreign help, just as they did in 1860's.

Comrade Texas joked some time back that he'd return to the US in a Russian APC. This seems, at this point, unlikely. But wars change everything. What German thought in 1941 that he'd see US Army alongside the Reds in Berlin, all smashed? Texas may do just that. If so I'll buy him a drink, if I can. I suppose I'll need rubles...

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 17:37 utc | 301

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 17:19 utc | 293

About old John - he changed when he began to grow up in office.

Of modern presidents he was the only one that served so he knew what war was. A son of a millionaire goes to combat duty !!!! Then rescues one of his wounded soldiers swimming in the Pacific at night. You will need to look with a magnifying glass to find such people.

Even John McCain has a less then clean history of service but that would take too much time to explain.

They say Mary Meyer wrote his American University Speech, and that they dropped some acid too. If so, yeah, big change. See the Light and all of that.)

I'm aware of that speculation. Is it true ? Nothing definitive as Mary Meyer was shot in a park like many people involved with JFK (Marilyn Monroe).
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/18326-mary-pinchot-meyer-case-said-to-be-solved/

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 17:41 utc | 302

@298 @karlof1

Now that Zarif has been barred entry to the UN, Russia (and perhaps China) should volunteer to read his speech on his behalf. I think that might have the desired impact, plus a lot more...

Posted by: retiredmecheng | Jan 7 2020 17:42 utc | 303

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 17:27 utc | 296
UN has a place in this World if it is allowed to do its job. But it is not allowed to do its job when it steps on "special interests".

It's worth recalling this attempt by the UN "to do the right thing",

I usually avoid BBC but will tolerate it in this case.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-10770239

Dr Blix told the Iraq inquiry the UK had sought to go down the "UN route" to deal with Saddam Hussein but failed.

Ex-Attorney General Lord Goldsmith, who advised the war was lawful on the basis of existing UN resolutions, "wriggled about" in his arguments, he suggested.

Dr Blix said his team of inspectors had visited 500 sites but found no evidence of weapons of mass destruction.

As head of the UN's Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) between 1999 and 2003, Dr Blix was a key figure in the run-up to the March 2003 invasion as he sought to determine the extent of Saddam's weapons programme.
'No smoking gun'

Asked about the inspections he oversaw between November 2002 and 18 March 2003 - when his team was forced to pull out of Iraq on the eve of the war - he said he was "looking for smoking guns" but did not find any.

While his team discovered prohibited items such as missiles beyond the permitted range, missile engines and a stash of undeclared documents, he said these were "fragments" and not "very important" in the bigger picture.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 17:51 utc | 304

Book> "Mary's Mosaic" @ Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 17:41 utc | 302

It's not proved, but it is probable. Leary gave her the stuff. And that came from cia and sandoz...so it is perhaps a cia ploy to fry the brains of Kennedy...Meyer was ex wife of cia suit. If cia ploy, it backfired.

I think there's interviews in re on YT. The book tells a dark personal tale by a man who was a kid in that circle, marysmosaic [dot] net

Kennedy was in combat, and lived on the boat with his crew under awful conditions for a long time. He'd did not simply serve, he saw shipsmates ripped open and dead, and he also knew how the higher officers lived...saw the contrast.

Wait 15 or 20 years and drop some acid with your honey...what would you expect but antiwar?

It fits. It has consilience. I buy the story.

BTW the book is great.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 17:55 utc | 305

"They" are sending, it is said, 6 large targets to Diego G. B52's.

How special!

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 17:59 utc | 306

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 17:55 utc | 306

Yes, yes and yes.

Walter, You and I are on the same page my friend :-)

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 18:01 utc | 307

Walter
Are you aware of this angle on JFK and the nuclear issue in Israel ?

How a Standoff With the U.S. Almost Blew Up Israel's Nuclear Program

Kennedy's ultimatum, Ben-Gurion's 'sick' reply and a 'fiasco' nuclear inspection: Newly declassified documents shed light on the diplomatic crisis that some feared may lead to a U.S. raid on Israel's Dimona plant

Throughout the spring and summer of 1963, the leaders of the United States and Israel – President John F. Kennedy and Prime Ministers David Ben-Gurion and Levi Eshkol – were engaged in a high-stakes battle of wills over Israel’s nuclear program. The tensions were invisible to the publics of both countries, and only a few senior officials, on both sides of the ocean, were aware of the severity of the situation


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-how-a-standoff-with-the-u-s-almost-blew-up-israel-s-nuclear-program-1.7193419

As with King Faisel, suddenly the problem "solved itself". Poof, JFK that year is assassinated and there are no more worries about Dimona. ;-)

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 18:13 utc | 308

It's interesting and novel that we few? get to watch George Carlin's "Freak Show" in such horrible detail. As the old nazis used to say "Never before in History". Well, yeah. That was when they were wining... Mark Sleboda is an interesting "place", and so is S. Mohamad Marandi professor and probably in the reserves...so I assume G2.

Meantime, watching, Twit of this good man (and combat volunteer vet) Seyed Mohammad Marandi ( tough cool cat) Retweeted
Javad Zarif
‏Verified account @JZarif
5h5 hours ago

Denying me a visa in violation of 1947 UNHQ Agreement pales in comparison to:

-Pompeo's threat to starve Iranians (crime against humanity)
-Trump's bluster about cultural heritage (war crime)
-#EconomicTerrorism
-Cowardly assassination

But what are they really afraid of? Truth?

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 18:16 utc | 309

In response to Dan's comment, #68, Iran is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, in a similar arrangement as the US was in in Iraq until they were told to leave the other day. I can't speak of any Iranian presence in Iraq or Lebanon (although in Iraq, Iran played a vital role coordinating the fight against Daesh). I can say, however, that it is none of the US federal government's business what Iran is doing outside of American borders, and that the Iranians have done nothing that the United States federal government has not done itself.

There is, of course, a way to condemn both governments: revolutionary proletarian internationalism, the unity of the working classes of the United States and Iran, which could bring about the toppling of both their governments, just as revolutionary workers in Germany and Russia in 1917 and 1918 helped bring about the end of the first world war. Any condemnation of Iranian meddling which is not coming from such a perspective, but instead from the default perspective of "America first" nationalism, which includes a liberal wing that refuses to criticize American military intervention at all, is simply hypocritical and impotent.

Posted by: fnord | Jan 7 2020 18:18 utc | 310

@ Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 18:13 utc | 309 jfk. Yes, with the Dallas hit, involving the mob, the Jewish mob knew, and that means Mossad knew, and knew that Johnson was in on the hit...and the oil boys, and the felllas down at the shop. After that the zionist nazis would go on to murder Americans at will, as in the Liberty Affair, and be able to force injustice by blackmail. The hit marked a departure from even the form of the republic. The quote I like is this> "In the beginning of the Imperial Period Rome followed the form of the Republic.". Lest anybody imagine, btw, that Walter is "antisemitic", my wife is Jewish. It may well be, I am inclined to expect, that the zionist faction will become an orphaned faction of the Jews, as it's frankly got zero to do with the Jewish Law that I know! Meantime, desperate times and desperate zionist "Prime Minister". It's not the first Jewish Civil War...it's simply that nobody has noticed it yet.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 18:28 utc | 311

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 18:16 utc | 310

get to watch George Carlin's "Freak Show" in such horrible detail.

Which has gotten me to the point where I have stopped reading history books. Too much "knowledge" does not make for a happier view of life. Now I'm into Chinese Martial Arts :-)

Denying me a visa in violation of 1947 UNHQ Agreement pales in comparison to:

Not surprised at all. The decision has the irrational trademark of Trump. It would seem that agreements and treaties have very fluid meaning with the US Establishment. Now you see it, now you don't.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 18:31 utc | 312

juliania @301--

Putin visiting the troops on Christmas Day is quite appropriate. Did you catch the short vid I linked to showing the Orthodox Priest's praise for Soleimani's deeds which he equated with Jesus's? I shared that with Teresa, too, as without Iranian help at the beginning then followed by Russia's, the goal of eliminating Christians, Alawites and others would have been accomplished--the Ethnic Cleansing aspect of the Evil Outlaw US Empire's Foreign Legions and the utter lack of effort made to stop them proves the authorship of that action.

IMO, the revelations made by Iraq's PM are all too believable and mesh with what we know of all Empire instigated coup attempts over the past 20 years.

The truth about fracking's energy return on energy invested was well known during our discussions at The Oil Drum during the oughts and was recently made emphatic by Max Keiser during the first half this Keiser Report episode which covers and uncovers much. (I really can't emphasize how important that show and his new one "Front Running 2020" are.) This one also demands viewing: "The Beginning of the End of Super Imperialism in 2020?"

As for Zarif's testimony at the UNSC, it can be delivered via video link. Someone needs to produce a political cartoon showing EU "leaders" clad in adult diapers inside a playpen being supervised by a Trump-nanny--the only reason Merkel's capable of standing up for Nordstream is because of Germany's industrialists: She'd be out of office in a heartbeat if she didn't.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2020 18:32 utc | 313

If part of what is one of the most vile of crimes in modern history - they should be made to pay a price as well.

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 12:53 utc | 248
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Ahem, can anyone say Kashoggi?

I wouldn't put anything at all past the Saudis. Excpet they might have underesteimated the blowback. So far they have gotten away with the Kashoggi butchering.

The Solameini takedown is indeed more vile, but on the other hand, done long distance, so in a sense much easier for the Saudis---if they were indeed in on the plot.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 7 2020 18:58 utc | 314

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 18:28 utc | 312
Yepp, not a pretty picture but as they say "Big Business is Dirty Business." Heck, in the end it is always about business. That's why I get nausea when I hear the word "democracy" in any explanation of historical events.

Lest anybody imagine, btw, that Walter is "antisemitic", my wife is Jewish.

Never crossed my mind. Ha ha ha, good one.

I for one do have a weakness for "good" bagels and challah but no one in my family is Jewish. I have read enough about their history to know that it is even more complicated than the braids in the challah but then what isn't?

Cheers

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 18:59 utc | 315

@305 tom_lx.... hey tom.. i distinctly remember bush - of the moron ranch in texas fame - trashing the UN on a regular basis in the lead up to the unnecessary war on iraq.. i figure he convinced a few more americans based on a steady stream of lies, which seems to be the specialty of american leaders for quite some time now.. it seems they take the american population for a bunch of ignoramus's on a 24/7 basis... the other thing - uk-usa have been tied at the hip for quite some time - a couple of has been or present imperialist powers that never saw a war they couldn't go along with.. nothing much has changed in that regard..

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 19:02 utc | 316

Yes, indeed I did catch your video, karlof1, thank you!

I have given up my attempts to link here, so I very much appreciate those who can do so without disrupting the thread. I have to say much of the previous page was too difficult for me to read, especially the longer posts. Please, everyone, use the review option to see if your post is formatted correctly. I have done so, but that doesn't ensure (for me) that my links go where they are supposed to.

I cannot help referring back to my oft stated interpretation of the Apocalypse of Saint John. He was in exile, I believe, at the time of writing this poem, and all of its reference points are to what was actually happening during the persecutions of Christians (and many others too) in Roman times - not so much predictions of future events as visions of what underlay what was happening in his own era. So, there is an antiChrist in that vision, which for us I would characterize as not only Trump (though he is part of it) but also the corporate,financial,governmental, military complex. Which is an empire in itself.

To defeat such a behemoth is more than the US citizenry alone can accomplish. It is, as you and psychohistorian have pointed out, extra-Constitutional, extra-national. It will take the entire world's peoples, loosely to be described as humanity, with, I believe, divine assistance.

(That latter point is needlessly debated: if it is to happen, it will; if not, not. I will just say here: it couldn't hurt)

Circe, you can stop yelling. We here are no longer rooting for Trump. The poor man has sunk all his liferafts, like Oedipus at the end of the play. Poor Oedipus, sing the chorus; we loved you! I agree with the many; he is no longer salvageable, politically speaking. As in Grisham's "The Chamber" even the worst of us can repent, but that is not the subject of these forums. Although, since we depend on the expertise of many not-so-perfect fellow humans, we might well keep the door open a crack...even for Oedipus...even for the antiChrist.

Just make that a very narrow crack.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2020 19:16 utc | 317

As someone who lives in Baltimore county I am hoping to hell that they shut down that bullshit going on in their eastern neighbors neck of the woods...

Posted by: Joe | Jan 7 2020 19:17 utc | 318

"Israel and Saudi are very wisely keeping out of the conflict."
Somebody 280


Net is up to his ears in "the conflict."
But now he is pulling the classic "innocent" maneuver.
Having first lauded the action---then he quickly pulls his hand out of the cookie jar before the light is turned on.

Does anyone believe this "who, me" mien of Net's? I certainly hope barflies are smarter than this.

Disgusting. IMO the Israelis must be made to pay for their sins.

Does anyone now recall the brouhaha about the cartoon showing Trump being led by "guide dog" Net? That cartoon has it exactly right.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 7 2020 19:19 utc | 319

To elaborate on my comment @ 318, I love that twitter piece, karlof1 - I went to see comments on it and saw that the church is Presbyterian - that was the church of my childhood also. (Our minister was so elderly he would forgetfully preach in his bedroom slippers, a dear man!)

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2020 19:33 utc | 320

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 19:02 utc | 317

Hans Blix and Scott Ritter were reporting what the Bush Administration did not want to hear. Truth.

The way they fixed this with the Brits is that Blair's people wrote a dossier based on master university work,

Chilcot report: Student whose thesis became Tony Blair's 'dodgy dossier' accuses UK of systematic failure

Exclusive: Ibrahim Al-Marashi has finally discovered who stole his work

Andrew Buncombe
New York @AndrewBuncombe
Wednesday 6 July 2016 14:15
Thirteen years ago, a report by Ibrahim Al-Marashi found its way into the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Unbeknown to him, it was then plagiarised and used to compile what subsequently became a key part of Tony Blair’s justification for the invasion of Iraq.

On Tuesday, he got some names, of the Foreign Office research analysts who passed on his work to a committee that then plagiarised it.

Professor Marashi’s work, which was passed on to the highest levels and then plagiarised, had deadly consequences. In addition to being used in the dossier handed to journalists in February 2002, much of the material was used by then Secretary of State Colin Powell to make the case before the UN that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction.

People at that level don't worry about anything IF THEY ARE on the "Right Side of the Force".

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 19:34 utc | 321

Always stunning to see the same people who - rightly or wrongly - condemn US aggression and imperialism on a regular basis, but then line up to praise and whitewash the Iranians and their bloodsoaked henchmen like Soleimani.

You don't have to love the US to recognize that Iran is a force of misery and destruction in the middle east.

Posted by: Dan Lennon | Jan 7 2020 19:35 utc | 322

I think this may have been mentioned here before, but in today's context, it certainly bears repeating:

Trump was expelled from the New York public school system at age 10 because he would not stop beating up smaller children.

And childhood classmates have told of seeing Trump and two or three of his buddies riding around on their bikes until they spotted a smaller child walking alone. They would then jump off their bikes, catch and beat up the little one.

And that is what he still is doing today.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 7 2020 19:37 utc | 323

Walter and Tom LX 306 re Mary Pinchot Meyer,

Very interesting figure.
Ben Bradlee was her brother-in-law.

After Mary turned up shot to death on the Georgetown towpath where she used to take walks, Bradlee and his wife, Toni Pinchot Bradlee, went to Pinchot Meyer's studio to fetch the diary she has mentioned she was keeping. They found James Jesus Angleton already there. He had broken in. They found the diary and they gave it to Angleton!!!

OT, except the fingerprints of Angleton tie a lot together. Americans are remiss in their naivete in failing to see the intergenerational picture.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 7 2020 19:39 utc | 324

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 7 2020 19:39 utc | 325

the intergenerational picture.

Well said !!!!

That's the Holy Grail IMHO "Really??".
Once one sees how to uses this one will not be as easily fooled by the Manipulators of History.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 7 2020 19:52 utc | 325

With the USA under orders to vacate Iraq, the Iraqis and Russians have wasted no time
The latest today re the Iraqi purchase of the S400 and other Russian defensive weapons
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-proposes-secure-iraqi-airspace-s-400-air-defense
The 82nd Airborne could be moving in.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/were-going-war-bro-elite-82nd-airborne-largest-fast-deployment-decade
Chevron pulls oil workers out
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/chevron-pull-us-oil-workers-out-iraq
Never a dull moment....

Posted by: Emily | Jan 7 2020 19:55 utc | 326

@322 tom_lx... thanks tom... yes - all of that is most unfortunate...

@ 323 dan lennon.. you are on the wrong channel.. this is not usa nyt, fox, cnn and etc commentary to be had here.. stick with a usa outlet.. keep the shutters closed, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 19:59 utc | 327

@TOM_LX

The suspected Mossad handler for LBJ was Mathilde Krim, but I imagine you know that.
If you mentioned her and I missed it, I apologize.

Posted by: Castellio | Jan 7 2020 20:29 utc | 328

Really?? & Tom_LX @325&326--

Yes, both inter- and multigenerational. The dots are there to connect if one is doggedly determined and knows how to look. IMO, to really understand a holistic approach is required starting at the beginning of the USA that focuses on tracing the development of the levers of power and those connected with the process. There's a very good reason why Beard's hypothesis he presented in his An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States met with such vehement protest--it marked the first time a major historian sought to try following the money.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2020 20:33 utc | 329

@ karlof1 with the Kaiser Report link of Michael Hudson interview

I listened to that one but not the other.

I am all for Michael Hudson being the next US Secretary of the Treasury. I am not sure that Bernie is the man to take us there but the folks behind him may make such happen.

Who is going to the be the Dem's presidential candidate?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2020 21:04 utc | 330

@ james | Jan 7 2020 19:59 utc | 328

Re: dan lennon

This is the second "dan" Concern Troll on this thread; it must be the thread's designated nom de troll. You'd think they'd throw in a "Beersheba" or something. ;)

Posted by: Ort | Jan 7 2020 21:48 utc | 331

It is time for Operation Brilliant Dragon.
10.000 engineers and an endless convoy of specialists and their heavy equipment landing with as much noise as possible in Iranian airports and seaports and in Iraq, coming from Beijing.
Also negotiate with the EU and North African countries an international campaign for world herritage cultural sites restoration and antiquities protection plan, from Persia and all the way to the Mediterranean islands, Libya and Egypt. Didn't Trumpf just threatened to bomb cultural antiquities in the ME?

HIT THEM WHERE IT MATTERS!

Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 7 2020 21:48 utc | 332

@ ort... i like my heart strings being pulled with the last name association! lennon would roll over in his grave with the misrepresentation thrown on him...

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 22:53 utc | 333

Breaking: "At least six" ballistic missiles have hit Ain al Assad base (American) in Al Anbar province, both Iranian and Iraqi sources report. This has been confirmed by the US military. US air defense & AWACS in the region have been unable to detect these missiles. (I've seen reports of up to 30+ rockets hitting the base).

Posted by: David | Jan 7 2020 23:22 utc | 334

ff?

Posted by: james | Jan 7 2020 23:24 utc | 335

And so it begins...DAMN YOU FOCKING TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 7 2020 23:58 utc | 336

The base struck is the same one Trump ranted Iraq would have to pay for if U.S. vacates.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:04 utc | 337

@ : David | Jan 7 2020 23:22 utc | 335

Man, you know how phuched up it is to get shot at?

Hey, you got sources?

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 0:14 utc | 338

Ballistic missiles fired from Iran!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auPHslL2h70

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:15 utc | 339

Many of you here supported Trump since 2016 and I warned you he was out to destroy Iran, that he was following the Zionist agenda, that Iran was next on the list after Syria! I warned you over and over this was going to happen!

A dozen ballistic missiles have hit two targets in Iraq. What do you think comes next? Trump Kumbaya???

Damn your Trump!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:22 utc | 340

More missiles coming:

https://www.rt.com/news/477676-iraq-us-base-attack-videos/

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:26 utc | 341

: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:22 utc | 341

Yes. But some people in favor of Trump were motivated by the odious and threatening character of the female person. And some others, seeing that Trump was a fool, favored him as an agent to destroy the empire.

That's what was going to happen anyway. It always does.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 0:31 utc | 342

Let's celebrate these fireworks with a song!

Metallica: "For Whom The Bell Tolls".
https://youtu.be/eeqGuaAl6Ic

Happy New Revolutionary Year!

Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 8 2020 0:40 utc | 343

@Walter, 343

Unfortunately I didn't save the URL but after Trump was elected I remember reading one Russian analyst posting that in a way it was too bad HRC didn't win, as it'd have been more of a fun challenge to defeat her.

Not endorsing the wisdom of this (either way), but an indication of just how little the Russians think of Washington's political PTB.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 8 2020 0:43 utc | 344

@ 338 circe... thanks for clarifying that - air base is the one trump was ranting about having to pay for...

remember circe, even if trump isn't president - you still have a 1 party system - the war party... you can't put all this on trump.. the usa has been a slow motion train wreck in action... it doesn't matter at this point who leads it..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 1:05 utc | 345

Washington Post: “The al-Asad air base in western Iraq, which houses some American troops, was hit by at least six missiles about midnight Wednesday, according to a U.S. defense official familiar with the situation.”

They’re not saying the missiles came down near, around or at the base. They’re saying the missiles hit the base. If that not particularly large air base was “hit” by six ballistic missiles, I don’t see how there’s anything left of it or the people in it. The tight-lipped Pentagon response on casualties — “damage assessment ongoing,” ongoing several hours after the attacks — suggests the damage was substantial.

Posted by: outerreef | Jan 8 2020 2:48 utc | 346

Trump tweets: “All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.”

bizarre

Posted by: outerreef | Jan 8 2020 2:56 utc | 347

Assassinations.
It is interesting to hear Walter et al mention Mary Pinchot Meyer, who supplied love, intimacy and LSD to J.FK. What a fascinating woman, though one wonders how she came to marry a top C.I.A. guy - one of the pitfalls of being an aristocrat I guess. No doubt the president felt an affinity with her. Her sister Tony ,wife of Ben Bradlee, claimed to have burnt her sister's diary before James Jesus Angleton raided her house in search of said diary.
James Jesus Angleton- not enough is said of this malignant being. He racked up a lot of hits during this time,one of which was Mary.
Many good and decent people who are associated with power have been earmarked for assassination. Why? I believe it is because they exhibit these very qualities!

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 8 2020 6:01 utc | 348

I'm not sure how long this will go on for but it will end and in such a mundane way as to shock the majority who have been lulled into an extremely false sense of security.

There is massive debt out there. They just have to call it in. When it can't be paid then assets devalue to near zero (a la 1929). Then they buy it back. Look up the history of Argentina since WW1,they've done it 3 or 4 times (sorry, can't acccess that sector of hard drive right now). The flight to metals, not just gold, is already underway and insiders have been selling off positions since August. It is over. People just don't know it yet.
Again, as to when it happens precisely. I imagine the number of shotcallers' are very small. I'm happy not to be one, I wouldn't want that karma.
Not that the assassination of a foreign military leader isn't worthy of comment. It is. It indicates a near total abandonment of any morality in U.S. Foreign Policy while high-lighting that the Iranians' actually have a moral code, as do most on this planet. The criminal leadership of the U.S./aka the Cabal/aka the Great Satan is in the minority. Rothschilds et al should bear the brunt of our discontent.

God have mercy on all of us.

BTW 'Lord Rothschilds' did the first National pump and dump during the Napoleonic Era, after the Battle of Waterloo, bankrupting everyone and his brother invested in England. But not him. Never the house.

Posted by: dorje | Jan 9 2020 12:17 utc | 349

"There is nothing Trump can do to keep the troops in Iraq. ... When the U.S. assassinated Soleimani and PMU leader al-Muhandis it made that step inevitable." -b

"I was elected on getting out of these ridiculous endless wars, where our great Military functions as a policing operation to the benefit of people who don't even like the USA" -President Trump

So promise delivered?

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 13 2020 15:08 utc | 350

 Posted by: Zanon | Jan 6 2020 19:37 utc | 7

People need to realize that there is nothing stopping Trump, he and Israel will keep bombing and unfortunately its not much Iran could do.

https://static.hypercomments.com/data/images2/9483823/1579175432328668

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 28 2020 22:00 utc | 351

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