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January 23, 2020

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Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 16:04 utc | 200

You Bernie wingnuts are very funny. I assume this is who you mean:

Sanders actually has a foreign policy adviser, Matt Duss, with Ph. D. in relevant area: on al-Sadr movement in Iraq, learned Arabic in the process, and his influence seems to be quite extensive according to observers. Matt was active as a journalist etc. and definitely has some network.

And who is this brass-knuckles alley-brawler radical?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Duss

"Duss worked for the Center for American Progress until 2014, blogging "prolifically " on ThinkProgress.[1][2] According to Business Insider, Duss "broke into the political world as a blogger."

He left CAP in 2014, becoming president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace.

Duss is credited with being "the principal reason that (Senator) Sanders" introduced the resolution to end U.S. military support for Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen....

The Foundation for Middle East Peace (FMEP) is an American nonprofit organization that promotes a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict....The Foundation advances its goals through education and advocacy and the publication of books and pamphlets about the conflict....Past Presidents of FMEP: Matthew Duss

The Center for American Progress is the epitome of Democrat corporate liberalism. The Yemen resolution was a typical Sanders fraud which even if passed in binding form would have changed nothing since Sanders deliberately crafted it to exempt "anti-terrorist" military action. You know, the one and only reason Obama or Trump ever gave for US action vis Yemen?

And of course the "two-state solution" is impossible as everyone including Zionist propagandists like your Matt Duss and Bernie Sanders knows.

Thank you again for proving my point, that Sanders is a fraud.

And to say yet again, in response to your lie:

you cannot create a team "qualified to hit the ground running on day one, fully loyal to the Leader etc., and do it at least one year in advance

Of course you can, if you really wanted to and put the work into building a movement toward that goal.

Again, thanks for your acknowledgement that you oppose movement-building, the one and only historically proven path to deliberate great change. Thanks for proving yet again you want to change nothing.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 24 2020 16:32 utc | 201

Yes, fracking has environmental costs. Yes, fracking is not nearly so cheap as Saudi oil. Yes, it isn't as ideal to make gasoline. Yes, fracking production has heavily benefited from cheap money.
Yet none of these points detract from the fact: Fracking has fundamentally changed the role of imported oil in the US. It has fundamentally changed the energy mix in electricity generation - from coal to natural gas.
And the net reserves of oil and natural gas enabled by fracking is still far above the total amount of money burned in the creation of this industry - even at the low oil and historically low natural gas prices today.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 23 2020 22:05 utc | 101

If we ignore environmental costs for a moment, fracking is just another mining technology. Mining technologies can be misused, increasing costs (environmental and financial) and reducing profits. And this seemed to be the case here. Consider the conundrum, why natural gas is too cheap in US and three times more expensive in Europe etc.?

Moving huge quantities of stuff requires huge investments in the infrastructure. Western commenters were quite snippy about the pipeline project to deliver NG from Eastern Siberia to China, e.g. it will take 30 years to pay back. However, this is still justified if it will be used for more than 30 years.

By the way of contrast, the availability of products from fracking is uncertain. Will it be still there after 10 years? Not known. So you indeed cannot build facilities with more than 10 year payback. And this cascades to the fracking field. What is the needed payback time for a gas pipeline serving the field? With time short and the price low, methane is vented.

There were obvious way to do it better. First, licences for extraction could be more coordinate with demand and capacities. (I am a layman, but one could extract more slowly to give longer payback for pipelines etc). Second, build the domestic market: methane is a very good fuel for transportation, buses, trucks and personal vehicles. Concerning exporting facilities, sober calculation is needed about their viability.

Environmental calculus has to be added. The total volume of "waste" tells little, water is infected into wells and returns as a "brine", i.e, with water-soluble minerals. Up to a point, you can dump it. But if we do not want to convert Texas, Appallachia etc to resemble alkaline deserts, there is a limit, and investments are needed to separate the chemicals from liquids and deposit somewhere safe. Again, it makes a difference if they are built for 5 years, 10 years or 30.

So in Russia there are efforts to have a long term balance, while in USA we have a chaotic interplay of lobby groups, myopic financing etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 16:46 utc | 202

Re: Miss Lacy | Jan 24 2020 15:24 utc | 198

you ask how it is possible for radioactive brine to be sprayed on Ohio gravel roads for "dust control"?

Corruption, avarice, greed . . . in a society where being rich is the only thing that is valued, where money is the absolute standard of success, that is how. We had a similar thing happen here in Missouri many years ago, when dioxin-laced oil was sprayed on gravel roads for "dust control" in the town of Times Beach
It was also sprayed on fairgrounds and arenas . . .

But wait, there is so much more . . . consider the fallout from US nuclear weapon tests in Nevada. Roughly 100 above ground detonations, plus underground detonations that vented massive amounts of fallout, which blew all over the US, Canada, Mexico. The US government has kept their fallout maps classified for years, but they did release the maps of radioactive iodine for a National Cancer Institute study (as many as 212,000 people got thyroid cancer from the fallout, with probably tens of millions more getting thyroid disease from it).

Take a look at the estimated thyroid doses of I131 in chapter/section 8 in this appendix to the NCI report. The whole US is practically highlighed in red in some years, showing doses of 10-30 rads or 30+ rads. Anyone out there have thyroid problems?

Richard Miller reverse engineered the fallout maps of Iodine-131 and developed a comprehensive set of maps detailing the fallout in the US. see http://www.260press.com/gallery-27.htm and http://www.260press.com/gallery-27.htm

Note that central Iowa and northern Missour7i were significantly contaminated with cesium137, which has a half life of 30 years, which means that about 1/3 of the original deposition remains in the soils. No unclassified studies have been done on the health effects of feeding Iowa and Missouri corn and beans to livestock and people for the last 60 years. Anyone notice any increases in cancer lately?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 24 2020 17:01 utc | 203

Thanks B for this blog. Sorry if this has been asked. This is 200 reply big so this may get missed, but has been percolating in my mind awhile

Over the last month 2 comments stand out too me and I would like clarification/further reading if possible

1st comment (forget poster) the idea that there was a race virus component to the PNAC papers and the ideas expressed within

2nd Comment by Norwegian in regards to the Political youth camp massacre being linked to their pro BDS stance, and then days later we have the massacre.

I would like more reading on this if at all possible.

Many thanks in advance.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jan 24 2020 17:03 utc | 204

I don't understand how a city of 11 million people can be quarantined. .. BBC is reporting a second city of 6 million named Huanggang is "on lockdown" (BBC's words). Public transit is closed - everyone lives within walking distance of food stores?

Trailer Trash @ 19

Of course what the US MSM labels ‘lockdown’ is a semi-quarantine. From my reading, i'm no expert on China .. the model being applied is the same as the Swiss (what we are taught and was used with fair success in the Black Death), rough:

Shut: public transport, schools, all ‘venues’ where many gather at once - today cinema, sports, factory, church, cemetery, etc. etc. Private transport is - to be seen in diff. cases. Work stops except Hosp. Po-lice, Army, Civil Protection, small cells for food management, needed trucking. (Volunteers are accepted in all these as needed.)

Food and water: use up stocks (the Swiss always have plenty, tap water is fine) share w. neighbors is understood, hungry serious call for delivery (do not have contact with delivery personnel). Wait it out. Adding what to do with the dead, or when symptoms set in, gets kind of gruesome.

Yet what may work (reportedly) well in what was a small-town landscape with high social cohesion and some ‘stocks’ in 1560 - 1690 in CH, may not be effective in a densely populated, many millions, city.

The historical comparison shows plus ca change plus c’est la même chose...

When one does not know how to stop / block / cure / limit damage / etc. from some pathogen — it all comes down to the same.

SARS hit China hard - health / international image, etc. They swore to do better.. so maybe over-reaction. We can’t know.

PDF about the plague in EU

https://www.persee.fr/doc/adh_0066-2062_1978_num_1978_1_1378

Posted by: Noirette | Jan 24 2020 17:06 utc | 205

Again, thanks for your acknowledgement that you oppose movement-building, the one and only historically proven path to deliberate great change. Thanks for proving yet again you want to change nothing.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 24 2020 16:32 utc | 201

I would love to see "movement building", but.it involves many contradiction. Basically, you seem to require think tanks devoted to the movement. They need money. Money endangers a degree of corruption (the list of methods is too long for a sort post). I would use a loose network of activists, academic researchers etc. Those are resources that are available.

In any case, the angry attitude of people like Russ is antithetical to actual movement building.

Concerning Matt Duss, I would have my own list of gripes. I would choose someone from actual academia, like "As'ad AbuKhalil, a Lebanese-American professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus." But he is a real person works for Sanders for more than 2 years on a modest salary (I presume) and can collect a better foreign policy than Biden or Warrren.

In any case, politicians have to consider what is possible, hence possibilism (a.k.a. opportunism), and a movement should be oriented toward what is needed. Your honest fallacy is to conflate the two. A movement that I want should explain to the population that goals and methods in foreign policy (to limit to our main focus) are vile and disastrous. In that context, if Warren approves outright theft of Venezuelan property + denial of basic right to trade, a vile method, to force compliance with Neo-liberal dogma, a dubious goal, I am all for recommending Sanders over Warren with that justification. Then when Warren fails, one has to comment on her obsolete, out of touch...

Actually, in January I contributed to Gabbard who was very good at articulating those points, with few traces of policy team. And her presence and people like her supporters move Sanders to recognition that there are real problems there. The movement of Overton Window on other issues was better, but there is actual progress.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 17:23 utc | 206

@Perimetr #164
Is pico-curies is even a thing?
1 becquerel = 1 fission disintegration per second.
1 curie is 3.7 x 10 exp 10 disintegrations per second, so 1 curie is 3.7 x 10 exp 10 becquerels.
1 pico = 10 exp -12
A pico curie would be therefore 3.7 x 10 exp -2 disintegrations per second = 0.037 disintegrations per second = not very radioactive at all. Multiplying this by 9300 = 344 becquerels.
To put in perspective: Plutonium 239 gives off something like 1 curie = 37 billion becquerels = almost 10 million times more radioactivity. In 1 gram of natural uranium, the U238 - which is what reactors and bombs are made from - is 12,356 Becquerels. The U235 is 568 Becquerels.

I'd also note that this radiation isn't due to a power plant or bomb - it is fully natural: radioactives from deep in the ground being carried up. Oil and gas does this, but so can wells bringing up water.

I certainly agree that radioactive waste water should be regulated by the EPA - and in fact, the EPA talks about this on their web page.

But it is not at all clear this is a serious health issue. Fukushima radiation release was in the order of 210 x 10 exp 15 (quadrillion) becquerels; Chernobyl estimated at 70 to 85 quadrillion becquerels. If every single liter of the trillion liters is 9300 picocuries (which I doubt), the discharge would be 1000 times less than Fukushima.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 24 2020 17:27 utc | 207

Perimetr@164

Thanks. I second your concerns about health hazards from fracking waste and add the following to the list of issues

(1) Fracking wells deplete rapidly with over 90% of the petroleum being recovered within three years. The driller goes bankrupt if he/she received longer-term loans for the operation. Economic losses by smaller operators is higher than oil majors due to borrowing money in the junk bond market.
(2) Economic costs of fracking is hidden by reporting the drillers cash cost per barrel of hydrocarbon produced allowing them to get loans or investors on board. Only later is it discovered that there are all-in sustaining costs such as ongoing oil service costs, royalties to landholders (15-20%), severance taxes, and site cleanup costs.
(3) Fracking mostly yields condensate not oil and the wellhead price is generally about $30/barrel but need $50-$60/barrel to break even. Currently the fracking sector has about $200 billion of outstanding debt which corresponds to about 7.0 billion barrels of production to pay off the debt, excluding SG&A.
(4) Fracking gas is flared to the maximum allowed by the Texas Railway Commission and other agencies. With a lack of pipeline capacity smaller operators have to pay pipeline operators to take the excess natural gas.
(5) Many economic costs by the drillers are being externalized to government agencies such as roads (and road wear), worker housing, lighting, police, boom town social issues (drugs, prostitution) medical facilities and cleanup of sites abandoned by drillers.
(6) Taxpayers have to pay for the health costs of exposure to organics leaking from wellheads, radiation damage from exposure to brines, earthquake damage from deep injection of drilling waste, etc.

Posted by: krollchem | Jan 24 2020 17:37 utc | 208

krollchem @208--

An article from today about the frack-patch's dire condition:

"The rate of bankruptcies could accelerate this year as the price of natural gas recently tumbled below $2/MMBtu and crude oil prices have fallen back once again. 'I think the trend line should be moving up in the first half of 2020,' Buddy Clark, partner at Haynes and Boone, told Reuters....

"The problem for the sector is the tidal wave of debt that comes due in the next few years. According to the Wall Street Journal, North American oil and gas companies have a combined $200 billion in debt that matures over the next four years, with $40 billion due this year alone."

IMO and those of insiders, the writing's on the wall for the demise of the entire fracking industry. The article's citations from earnings conference calls by industry majors are likely similar to all other players. Demand destruction globally is the primary reason oil & gas prices remain low, and the low gas price will hinder expansion of LNG infrastructure.


Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 18:15 utc | 209

Some seem too obtuse to understand why Russia and Occupied Palestine have their relationship. Maybe if they took the time to read Putin's speech at the "Ceremony to unveil the Memorial Candle monument dedicated to the residents and defenders of besieged Leningrad" they might get an inkling despite their biases and fragile eggshell brains.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 18:22 utc | 210

Again, Pepe Escobar combines a lesson in history along with contemporary developments surrounding Eurasian Integration. In his essay, Pepe provides the best reason I've seen for the infatuation of the Outlaw US Empire, and the British Empire before it, for Southwest Asia, and the underlying reason for the implantation of the Zionist Colony.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 18:30 utc | 211

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 17:23 utc | 206

I would love to see "movement building", but.it involves many contradiction.

Not in the slightest. Stop destroying the Earth, stop destroying humanity, say so. There's zero contradiction. I, for example, never contradict myself.

Basically, you seem to require think tanks devoted to the movement.

The radical opposite - nothing's required but an illiterate who has simple human decency and is willing to fight.

Once again you're projecting all of your own pathologies, and that's why a known con artist like Senator F-35, advised by the CAP itself, appeals to you.

Evidently Sanders and yourself require the services of a think tank like the CAP in order to justify the US imperial presence in the Mideast, while I figured out all by my lonesome that the West must Get Out completely, with zero help from any "think tank" or anyone else.

A decent human being needs no help on "how to think", only with fighting those who think and do evil.

In any case, the angry attitude of people like Russ is antithetical to actual movement building.

On the contrary, mine is the only attitude which ever got any movement started.


Posted by: Russ | Jan 24 2020 18:36 utc | 212

A fascinating trip back in time..Yasha Levine found a great radio show from the early 1950's that dealt with The Embers Still Burn - a book mentioned recently at MoA, I believe. withal> "The Author Meets the Critics: "The Embers Still Burn" by Ira Hirschmann" @ YT

Is prescient. Speaks to the nazi-american character. Also the people are great.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 24 2020 18:49 utc | 213

To go along with Putin's speech and many recent articles on the topic is this editorial in today's Strategic Culture. After an excellent 97 second video, the editorial begins with the crux of the current problem the video introduces:

"There was good reason why Polish President Andrzej Duda was prevented from addressing the Holocaust memorial event in Israel this week. The organizers anticipated he would use the event to make ugly and foolish accusations against Russia for having alleged complicity in the Nazi genocide."

A few barflies seemed to embrace the idea I presented of a much longer Holocaust, one not aimed at Jews alone but aimed at all people having notions of a Socialist political-economy, which itself is merely the historically recent extension of the 3,000+ yearlong Class War. The Fascist Oligarchy controlling the Outlaw US Empire are clearly globally promoting Nazi and Nazi-like politicos to wage their War and to help raise the Gestapo/SS-like Foreign Legion of Terrorists like al-Qaeda, Daesh, the "Ukronazis," and already existing Latin American Death Squads to impose their tyranny. There're already a half-dozen fronts to this ongoing War, but the overall aim is global in extent; yet, too many are blinded to that fact by issues closer to home. The Think Globally, Act Locally mantra needs to be applied so people can see the connections and understand why they must unite to face this common threat.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 19:00 utc | 214

The radical opposite - nothing's required but an illiterate who has simple human decency and is willing to fight.

to form a loyal and competent cadre ready to take positions in the new Administration. Are you sure that you do not want to organize some bloody riots first? I really do not know how it is done on other planets.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 19:18 utc | 215

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 19:00 utc | 217

At least among historians, the fact that the Holocaust was not primarily aimed at exterminating the Jews was common sense. I don't know how it is in Western Europe or the USA.

The Third Reich had a structural economic problem: it was a liberal economy under total war against a much bigger enemy in resource terms.

The fascist economic system is called corporatism, and indeed Hitler had a private council with the main German industrialists with which he decided the future of the German economy. Those capitalists had real power: they often denied Hitler their highly trained workers (to serve in the Ostfront for the Wehrmacht) and often got their way.

The scape valve for this contradiction of fascism - between the freedom of enterprise of capitalism (at least for big business) and the urgent necessity to crush a communist revolution - was slave labor. In fact, those crazy Nazi experiments that were immortalized in post-war propaganda were relatively limited in scope and only happened to people who couldn't work: usually, children and disabled people. There wasn't a lack of supply of insane people in positions of power (high office) in the Third Reich, so the combination was explosive.

Germany's economy only became genuinely centralized and planned (within the limits of capitalism) in late 1943 - when the war was already lost and absolute desperation was beginning to kick in. Even then the means of production were never nationalized: what happened was more a rationalization of production and distribution to better serve the Armed Forces, more akin to FDR's wartime economic policies in the USA than with Soviet socialism.

It is a myth nazifascism comprised a third, separate economic system to capitalism and socialism: it was definitely capitalism, molded for total warfare. "War capitalism", if you like.

Posted by: vk | Jan 24 2020 19:33 utc | 216

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 24 2020 19:26 utc | 219

"the current internet front..."

if the Chinese/Russians really want to challenge US hegemony, at least on a cultural level, and they have this vaunted technical prowess, why aren't they offering better alternatives to the likes of Google/Facebook/Twitter etc., not to mention the internationally accepted so-far consensus URL naming.

Sure, path dependency and all that, but it's about time to put in the effort to challenge all this, at least in order to force the US to expend resources fighting it. Plus whatever good chaos effects would follow.

Or are they just hunkering down to wait out the storm for a few years before the likes of Facebook and the global internet itself no longer will exist.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 24 2020 19:41 utc | 217

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 19:18 utc | 218

"Are you sure that you do not want to organize some bloody riots first?"

It seems that will be necessary if humans are to take any agency as far as cleaning their own house. Of course the counter-revolution always dictates the level of violence in any revolution.

"I really do not know how it is done on other planets."

None of us do, but you surely are acting as if you know, since your mindset has no correlation with human or ecological history on this planet.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 24 2020 19:44 utc | 218

Walter @215--

Thanks for the pointer! Here's Levine's archive from which you found that so others may too.

Remember all the warnings about a 5th Column and the admonition that Loose Lips Sink Ships? Well, it sure seems like that 5th Column already existed and owned the shipping lines and most everything else!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 19:51 utc | 219

@ Posted by: Russ | Jan 24 2020 19:41 utc | 221

In a certain way, they already are. At least in the Chinese case.

China has 1.4 billion people. This is more than all the First World countries put together. And, in China, Chinese products dominate, including its own versions of Google, Facebook etc. etc.

China is still in the process of consolidating its own population (domestic market). They still haven't achieved their main objective for 2050, which is to reach a level of a "moderately prosperous society".

Posted by: vk | Jan 24 2020 19:52 utc | 220

vk @220--

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I understand very well how Hitlerian Germany's economy operated and which nations and corporations aided it. There're essentially two types of capitalism of which you're likely aware--Industrial and Financial. The financializing of economies has been ongoing for thousands of years as is the primary scourge those known as Classical Economists urged policy makers to eradicate as those entities act as a parasite that destroys functional economies of all types. Such financializing entities are what's behind the resurgence of Nazi-like fascism, which is being used again as a façade to shield them from recognition, just as the myth of Jewish control of international finance before it.

Over the years I've been commenting at MoA, I've been trying to discover the underlying thread that connects most global events. Another, psychohistorian, has declared his answer to my investigation almost as long as I've been commenting. Fortunately, we both live in the same state a few hours apart, and we've connected so we can discuss things outside the bar as have a few others. We believe we've identified the source and solution to the dilemma, but continue to investigate so we can prove our theses. The Current Oligarchy has refined the methods of its predecessors and is very proficient at hiding itself, but it hasn't fooled everyone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 20:27 utc | 221

@Russ #221:

if the Chinese/Russians really want to challenge US hegemony, at least on a cultural level, and they have this vaunted technical prowess, why aren't they offering better alternatives to the likes of Google/Facebook/Twitter etc.

Russia is one of the few countries to have their own national search engine. In Russia’s case, Yandex. Yandex is available in many languages. Whether it’s better than Google or not, I don’t know.

On the social network side, Russia has Odnoklassniki and VK. I’m not familiar with Odnoklassniki, so I can’t comment on it. VK is definitely better than Facebook because there’s no thought police there, so you can post whatever you want (except child pornography, of course). It is available in many languages and has native apps for mobile platforms.

For blogging you can use LiveJournal, and for your e-mail needs – Mail.ru.

Posted by: S | Jan 24 2020 21:49 utc | 222

Some barflies may have seen this already:

"WikiLeaks' Kristinn Hrafnsson: 'We have now learned that the United States do not consider foreign nationals to have a first amendment protection...they have decided they have extra-territorial reach... This is extremely serious and of grave concern to all journalists.'"

I must point out that Freedom of Speech/Press was one of FDR's Four Freedoms to be fought for in WW2. This development is the best indication to date that the Outlaw US Empire is indeed the successor/emulator of Nazi Germany.

S @230--

I use Yandex and its search abilities are comparable to Google. IMO, VK's going to see an upsurge in members as the purge of Facebook and Twitter continues.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 22:04 utc | 223

In many ways it doesn't matter whether we think Trump is a puppet, robber baron, gangster or political mastermind. His treatment of the the vets who play pawns to US imperial adventurism is vile and nauseating:

"Michael Kaplen, the chair of the New York State Traumatic Brain Injury Services Coordinating Council and past president of the Brain Injury Association of New York State said that he was “shocked at the ignorant statement” made by Trump.

“To equate traumatic brain injuries as just a headache is insulting and disrespectful to the thousands of military service members suffering from the signature wound of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict,” he said.

One day those vets will burn him, and all the other parasites, to the ground.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 24 2020 22:56 utc | 224

It may have been karlofi who posted url for article "Aftermath: The Iran War After the Soleimani Assassination" (Jim Kavanagh counterpunch)

Perhaps not.

Withal it's worth reading. Rather more baldly true than an old man likes, I'm afraid.

I agree with his position. It's on.

.....

Previously, also, I think, the affair of Luce and the American century...I did remember the period and the atmosphere of those days again when I re-read that essay.

It would make a fine subject for rhetorical analysis, but it's quite skillful. Of course Luce had close links to all sorts of people, and he had "gravitas" so he could get away with the job.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 24 2020 23:00 utc | 225

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 17:23 utc | 206

Basically, you seem to require think tanks devoted to the movement. They need money. Money endangers a degree of corruption (the list of methods is too long for a sort post). I would use a loose network of activists, academic researchers etc. Those are resources that are available.

Above would be my definition of social engineering.

When people hold a wet finger into the air to decide from where the wind blows. Coming to the same conclusion independently. That is movement.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 24 2020 23:00 utc | 226

Posted by: vk | Jan 24 2020 19:33 utc | 220

It would be an illuminating study (no doubt carried out many times) to track the role of those key industrialists in Germany across, say, 1939 to 1949. Since the US needed Germany to remain a liberal economy one would have expected them to be located at the heart of the reconstruction process after the war (minus a few token figures for Nuremburg). Siemens, MAN, Krupp, Bayer, etc went back to business as usual. I suspect, as you imply, the Bundesrepublik was able to achieve this so quickly precisely because the underlying economy under Hitler had been more or less liberal capitalist. Another term for it is 'authoritarian capitalism', and it characterizes contemporary China quite well too. Your larger point—that we should not let the Third Reich's police state militarism and ideological fanaticism obscure the fact that its underlying economy was actually very familiar and depressingly 'normal'—is well made. Fascism thrives under the alienated conditions of financialized capitalism.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 24 2020 23:17 utc | 227

craig murrays latest is bang on...

The Troubling Decline of International Law

Posted by: james | Jan 24 2020 23:33 utc | 228

Aftermath: The Iran War After the Soleimani Assassination> I have now!

It should be noted that there are now 3 offensive axes of attack being employed by SAA in Idlib and Western Aleppo and that the M-5 has almost been reached in the Idlib sector.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 23:49 utc | 229

I hadn't read it either until now. Here's just a teaser:

"The first thing, the thing that is so sad and so infuriating and so centrally symptomatic of everything wrong with American political culture, is that, with painfully few exceptions, Americans have no idea of what their government has done. They have no idea who Qassem Soleimani was, what he has accomplished, the web of relationships, action, and respect he has built, what his assassination means and will bring. The last person who has any clue about this, of course, is Donald Trump, who called Soleimani 'a total monster.' His act of killing Soleimani is the apotheosis of the abysmal, arrogant ignorance of U.S. political culture.

It’s virtually impossible to explain to Americans because there is no one of comparable stature in the U.S. or in the West today. As Iran cleric Shahab Mohadi said, when talking about what a 'proportional response' might be: '[W]ho should we consider to take out in the context of America? Think about it. Are we supposed to take out Spider-Man and SpongeBob?… All of their heroes are cartoon characters — they’re all fictional.' Trump? Lebanese Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah said what many throughout the world familiar with both of them would agree with: 'the shoe of Qassem Soleimani is worth the head of Trump and all American leaders.'" [My Emphasis]

And he informs me of something important I didn't know:

"Indeed, we now know that the assassination of Soleimani was only one of two known assassination attempts against senior Iranian officers that day. There was also an unsuccessful strike targeting Abdul Reza Shahlai, another key commander in Iran’s Quds Force who has been active in Yemen. According to the Washington Post, this marked a 'departure for the Pentagon’s mission in Yemen, which has sought to avoid direct involvement' or make 'any publicly acknowledged attacks on Houthi or Iranian leaders in Yemen.'"

The only mistake I see in the piece is omitting the fact that we've been at war with the Iranian people since the 1953 coup--67 years.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 0:15 utc | 230

@214 Russ

On the contrary, mine is the only attitude which ever got any movement started.

Really! And what movement have you started besides the one that ends up in the toilet?

Matt Duss may be an fp advisor to Bernie today, and next he may bring on Rashid Khalidi, or Nadia ben-Youssef, Fadi Elsalameen, or Amaney Jamal for a true Palestinian human rights perspective and launch a political career or two. And of course Tulsi Gabbard, AOC and Nina Turner and more.

Naomi Klein is also a supporter and no doubt adviser in some ways. Noam Chomsky is a supporter (even though I don't agree with him on everything). The humerous and affable Cornell West and many more in politics, business and entertainment have endorsed Bernie.

Sanders is so networked he has so much academia and politic talent to choose from; he should take his time before bringing people on board.

The possibilities for a Sanders Presidency are brilliant and I know he will think outside the box and embrace them all to achieve his goals for a better world.

You are a real Sanders hater.

In contrast, your Trump's campaign advisers were James Woolsy and Kissinger and a bunch of other Neocon and Wall Street swamp creatures. Then he followed it up with a cabinet straight out of the Neocon think tank/Goldman Sachs rogues list. Haspell, Bolton, Pompeo, Haley, Mnuchin, Wilbur (Rothschild) Ross to name some and I won't even get into his Zionist oligarch financiers.

Go trash the other real Dem candidates; there's a whole lot of fodder to chew on there.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 0:28 utc | 231

I'd seen Utah Phillips on stage once, but I'd never before heard Utah Phillips' Moscow Hold routine > "The Moscow Hold- Utah Phillips"< on you tube.

If anybody wants to know how the war will defeat the empire they ought to go listen...

It's unclear if Iran's gunna do this, or Uncle Vlad... But it's Strategy.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 25 2020 0:38 utc | 232

karlof1@209

Thanks for the fracking bust link. Just found the this supporting article that includes some of the facts mentioned.:

The Great American Shale Oil & Gas Bust: Fracking Gushes Bankruptcies, Defaulted Debt, and Worthless Shares
by Wolf Richter
https://wolfstreet.com/2020/01/22/the-great-american-shale-oil-gas-bust-fracking-gushes-bankruptcies-defaulted-debt-and-worthless-shares/

Posted by: krollchem | Jan 25 2020 0:59 utc | 233

@240 Cont'd--

I agree with much but not with his conclusion:

"The best prospect for stopping it would be for Iran and Russia to enter into a mutual defense treaty right now. But that’s not going to happen. Neither Russia nor China is going to fight for Iran. Why would they? They will sit back and watch the war destroy Iran, Israel, and the United States."

Firstly, Russia has already stated publicly on at least two occasions that Iran is underneath its nuclear umbrella, and has likely said so even more times privately. Secondly, As Putin noted in his speech, a great many Soviet/Russian people now live in Occupied Palestine, and he sees it as his responsibility to try and protect them from harm too. Third, both Russia and China need Iran for their Eurasian Integration projects, along with Iraq and Syria. So, the War isn't just between the Outlaw US Empire and Iran, it also includes Russia and China. The author's bit players, the Saudis, are aware of the consequences for their fortunes and future and IMO are trying to intercede. Same with UAE. And Fourth, the author mentions an all-out air assault against Iran as the opening phase, but he doesn't mention where these warplanes are going to fly from, nor does he mention the woeful state of the USAF--indeed, all air arms. Plus, they'd all need to be staged to the region as they can't fly directly from the EU or USA and they'd immediately be targeted by those accurate missiles and wiped out. It's not even a bridge too far; rather it's akin to targeting the moon. The desire may exist but the means do not.

So, where does that leave us? The War still exists. It could be halted via political change within the Outlaw US Empire. It could also be halted via either the Russian or Iranian version of HOPE. But is there time for either? Currently, the Syrian piece is being moved on the board while the Iraqi piece is quivering.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 1:00 utc | 234

Circe@245

Back off Russ and save your insults for the democratic establishment:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/obama-feels-sanders-is-unfit-to-battle-trump-and-he-has-told-people-he-might-say-so-publicly

I earlier in this thread posted a deep analysis of how Sanders could actually win if it were not for the corrupt Democratic machine. Then there is the likely blocking of him by Senator smoke-signals Warren.

You would be better served to focus on the few battleground states that actually decide the future of America.

Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 25 2020 1:20 utc | 235

karlof1 @248: Yeah, I agree, despite all the bloviating, any all-out attack on Iran starts with lots and lots of missiles in an attempt to suppress their air defenses, radars and (one presumes) their offensive missle capabilities, maybe other things ...

To make it safe for the planes and cruise missiles and ships and bases and all.

Getting those cruise missiles up over the mountains onto the Iranina plateau is going to require some planning too.

And that is a game the Iranians can play very well themselves, and they have the high ground. It will not be quick, if anything the shock and awe will go the other way once it starts up. Lots more "brain traumas".

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 25 2020 1:42 utc | 236

The entire Arabian peninsula also needs the One Belt One Road (OBOR) initiative to be successful in diversifying their own economic future, especially Saudi Arabia. I would be surprised if they weren't all clearly aware of it.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 25 2020 2:09 utc | 237

@244 pft

Good articles. Thx for the heads up.

Funny that b referenced that Hotes guy a while back...same article rebutted at RFK's website? But for all his glorious sleuthing, maybe he didn't know that Hotes is himself a vaccine developer with substantial skin in the game. Tantamount to a Lockheed exec telling us why the US needs more missiles.

An article from AP today warned of a far more sinister disease than the Coronavirus and it is right next to us! The Flu. It is indeed true, but all in all it was just another transparent attempt to push the ineffective and dangerous flu shot on the public, with Hotes himself cited in the article stating his worry for the unvaccinated wrt the FLU.

My family and I will take our chances, knowing studies have shown an increased likelihood in hospitalizations from Flu for those who received the vaccine and that those vaccinated exhibit 6.5x the amount of fine aerosol mist from flu infection where the virulent fine aerosol has been shown to be far, far more capable of infection than those exhibiting larger droplets of infectious fluid (sneezes and coughs).

Bottom line: flu vaccine = 6x more virulent fine aerosol from breathing (meaning you are more dangerous to others) and increased hospitalization likelihood.

Who wants the shot now? C1ue?!?!?!?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 25 2020 2:15 utc | 238

Interesting things going on in Yemen too. There was a ballistic missile attack on some Saudi-Hadi coalition troops that killed over 100 and wounded a couple hundred more. Nobody wants to claim it though some want to blame the Houthis, who deny it.

Then there were several stories about a big attack on Saana from the Saudi-Hadi forces, lots of claims of Houthi casualties, now that's been called off and the Houthis claim to have rolled up 3000 sq. km.

I was wondering if Iran might have had something to do with the missle attack. It seems to have ended the peace making in Yemen for the moment.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 25 2020 3:08 utc | 240

A New Definition of Warfare
Sanctions can be more deadly than bullets.

What's better than a pandemic attack ?
Washington doesnt even need to impose sanction, people'd voluntarily avoid the victim like plague !

---------------------

FUKUS [fuck UK, US]
JUST SENT THIS GONG HEI FAT CHOY TO THE CHINESE....

THE ULTIMATE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT.....


Fear-mongering headlines about China such as this one will only intensify until President Xi Jinping bends to the will of the Trump administration regarding the “trade deal from hell”: China On Edge Of Chaos: “7 Cities, 23 Million People Under Quarantine”. Oh, and by the way, the headlines now read like this today: “Beijing Calls In Military As Virus Overwhelms Wuhan Hospitals”. Who, pray tell, will travel to China in 2020 in view of these swiftly deteriorating conditions?! Who will want to do business there? Exactly—NO ONE. Which is exactly what the real perps wanted to achieve.

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5231#more-5231

Posted by: denk | Jan 25 2020 3:47 utc | 241

Circe @245: [To Russ:] You are a real Sanders hater... your Trump's campaign advisers were ...

Those that don't join the "Democracy Works!" chorus are smeared.

=
Krollchem @249: Back off Russ and save your insults for the democratic establishment ...

Sanders has shown himself to be part of the establishment by serving as Hillary's sheepdog and refusing to start a Movement.

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Zionism and the neocon cult it spawned have destroyed democracy in the West.

Neocon philosophy specifically argues for lying to the people. That is the antithesis of democratic governance which relies upon the consent of the governed.

Zionism is a secretive ideological and political Movement that CAN NOT BE addressed via traditional democratic means. It requires a MOVEMENT to restore public integrity, accountability, and democratic principles. Something akin to the Abolitionist Movement: lets abolish empire-building asshats that make us less safe and invest huge sums of our money in the Empire ponzi scheme.

Sanders hasn't created a Movement because empowering the American people is not in the interest of the Zionist Movement and not in the interest of the US elite that the Zionists have corrupted. It is no accident that BOTH major parties support Israel and the Empire. USA is EMPIRE FIRST - and has been for a long time.

"Democracy Works!" bullshitters are playing us.

They ask for unilateral disarmament. They use twisted logic, emotional pleas, and misdirection to convince people to trust the political process. And they smear anyone that thinks for themselves and recognizes the game.

Your vote is not enough to fix what is broken. Talk with others in your community. Form or join a Movement. Educate yourself. Learn about other Movements - like the Yellow Vest Movement in France.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 3:59 utc | 242

Long-Bailey has Unite's support:

Labour leadership: Unite backs 'brilliant' Rebecca Long-Bailey

Looks like the blairites will have to walk an extra mile to erase Corbyn from History.

Posted by: vk | Jan 25 2020 4:40 utc | 243

@259, I might as well add:

USA politicians find it easy to voice support for Israel and USA military (often via support for "the troops") while if they voiced similar support for EMPIRE they would have some explaining to do.

AFAICT:

Cold War I was an ideological battle between capitalism and communism. But that fight is over now. Russia and China are essentially capitalist.

Yet after winning the Cold War I, Western Empire-builders, egged on by Zionist ideologues, CHOSE to press on with a new global conflict.

Cold War II is an ideological battle between Anglo-Zionist Supremacists and countries that refuse to submit to the New World Order (NWO). To many, NWO is just a form of fascism.

USA and the West have wasted trillions of dollars and millions of lives pursuing this Zionist-inspired NWO agenda.

It's really long past time that WE THE PEOPLE put an end to this madness. The only way to do that is via political MOVEMENTS: Pro-Democracy; Anti-War; Climate Change; Economic Fairness; etc.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 5:56 utc | 244

Below is a Xinhuanet link about a recent ECB meeting

ECB keeps key interest rates unchanged, launches strategy review

The interesting point for me was the strategy review launch with results in about a year as detailed below
"
In a separate statement on Thursday, the ECB officially launched the review of its monetary policy strategy.

The review will include quantitative formulation of price stability, monetary policy toolkit, economic and monetary analyses and communication practices, the central bank said.

Other considerations such as financial stability, employment and environmental sustainability will also be part of the review.

The process is expected to be concluded by the end of 2020, according to the statement. The ECB reiterated that the process will be guided by the principles of thorough analysis and open minds, and will engage with all stakeholders.

The ECB's current monetary policy strategy was adopted in 1998 and some of its elements were clarified in 2003.
"

I think their timing is impeccable. They might know something that the rest of us just guess about. Are they playing their role in the global private finance strategy or hedging their bets about empire versus China/Russia etc.? What happens if one or more countries want to be partially open to the China/Russia axis? Since oil is now being traded in other than the world Reserve Currency, as well as other things, and given the standoff happening in the ME, how will global trade evolve to reflect the existing multi-polar world?


Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 25 2020 6:05 utc | 245

Not sure where to post this, but it deserves a wider audience.. China, Wuhan, Coronavirus https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

Posted by: Barrie V | Jan 25 2020 7:46 utc | 246

@248

Well, the bioweapon conspiracy is pretty lame when the US themselves are already doing so horribly containing common diseases stateside.

Posted by: JW | Jan 25 2020 7:52 utc | 247

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 0:28 utc | 231

Matt Duss may be an fp advisor to Bernie today, and next he may bring on Rashid Khalidi, or Nadia ben-Youssef, Fadi Elsalameen, or Amaney Jamal for a true Palestinian human rights perspective and launch a political career or two. And of course Tulsi Gabbard, AOC and Nina Turner and more.

Naomi Klein is also a supporter and no doubt adviser in some ways. Noam Chomsky is a supporter (even though I don't agree with him on everything). The humerous and affable Cornell West and many more in politics, business and entertainment have endorsed Bernie.

Wow! Such radicals, such fighters! Are they all devoting their being to the great chance they're going to get if Sanders is elected?

Why would any decent human being need tutoring in "a Palestinian human rights perspective"? The right and wrong of it is self-evident.

BTW I heard that Klein's latest book now advocates the same "green capitalism" she previously and rightly scorned. No surprise, unfortunately.

"Sanders is so networked he has so much academia and politic talent to choose from; he should take his time before bringing people on board."

1. Wrong as wrong can be. If someone actually wants to accomplish something against great odds, against real opposition, one plans ahead of time.

Now, you obviously are dumb enough that you may think an insurgent president could wing it and choose from among existing system personnel. I don't think Sanders is that stupid, though. So again you give evidence that he's a con-man. Otherwise why would he act as if he had time?

Annnnnd, he's been doing this for how many years now? How much time does someone need in your retard universe?

2. "Sanders has so much academia and politic talent to choose from"

What kind of "insurgency" would partake of such indelible system "talent"? The point is to overthrow and abolish the entire existing political and cultural-elite class. People who possess brains know that "academia and politic talent" is a DIS-qualifier. Only the morbidly stupid and conformist still could consider that to be a worthy credential. Once again, as always, you demonstrate your hard-core pro-status quo affiliation.

The possibilities for a Sanders Presidency are brilliant and I know he will think outside the box and embrace them all to achieve his goals for a better world.

Hallelujah! Holy Roller! Do you already hallucinate the New Jerusalem physically descending?

BTW you never answered - How could someone contract TDS other than from a pro-status quo POV? I've never seen anyone against the status quo who hates Trump above and beyond the way we reject ALL system politicians.

You are a real Sanders hater.

Yes, I hate Senator F-35. I hate all liars and perpetrators of ecocide.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 8:32 utc | 248

re Bernie and "creating a movement"

The question is creating a movement for what? To quote Neil Postman: "Americans are the best entertained, least informed people in the world." The dominant "movement" here in US which has gained traction over the last few years has been the dumbing down of its citizens in support of Empire and its wars, and social and environmental destruction that ensues. It's easy to see many of the more blatant forces in MSM and elsewhere which frame this "movement", but it is reinforced in more insidious ways throughout our society as well.

I interact with many friends, family, workers, etc. as most of us here also do. The majority of my closer friends tend to be "liberal", hate Trump, and support many of the domestic policies that Bernie puts forth.
But it is shocking to me how almost all accept the basic narrative of Russiagate bullshit for one, and have so little knowledge of the actual histories of e.g. Iran and Soleimani, Ukraine, Crimea, Venezuela, and the relationship of US interference in these areas. It is disappointing that Bernie has been a promoter of many of these BS narratives as well; how is a "movement" to form around that?

I understand Bernie may be a vehicle for shifting the Overton Window in a good way, and if Tulsi drops out I may hold my nose and vote for him if a better alternative isn't there. But there was a similar level of excitement twelve years ago when Obama was running, and we see where that led. Unless Bernie begins to understand and educate as to the true nature of US Empire, I don't see any great "Movement" happening through him.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 25 2020 13:16 utc | 249

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 25 2020 13:16 utc | 249

Some USians know a lot about empire via their families, simply by being immigrant. You don't seem to talk to them. There seem to be immigrants that are part of Sander's movement. He is shifting the overton window for them.

In other news

Ukrainian jet victim ran company suspected by UN of violating Libyan arms embargo

Her Ukraine and British based companies apparently operated via Ukraine and Turkey and specialised in carrying dangerous stuff.

The companies advertise themselves as passenger jet and air freight businesses. The slogan on the website of Volaris Business reads "more than a passenger and goods company" while SkyAviaTrans' motto is "Anything, Anytime, Anywhere, Professionally."

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 13:55 utc | 250

add to Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 13:55 utc | 250

Babak Taghvaee @BabakTaghvaee · I have to also mention that UR-COZ, the Il-76TD of #SkyAviaTrans was often spotted in Qadr Air Base of #IRGC Aerospace Force in 2018 (below image). There were rumors about that it was also transporting weapons for #IRGC to where the #IRGCASF's Il-76TDs were not able to fly to

So now there is a motive.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 14:04 utc | 251

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 25 2020 13:16 utc | 249

"Re Bernie and "creating a movement" ....The question is creating a movement for what?"

Myself I have zero expectations of the system. I've always said: The economic civilization will burn every last BTU's worth of fossil fuels it can, and will destroy every last yard of the carbon-sinking earth it can.

So the only thing a sane human being could do is to try to find fellow sane people and work to build some kind of communities where the people could help one another weather every kind of storm.

"I understand Bernie may be a vehicle for shifting the Overton Window in a good way, and if Tulsi drops out I may hold my nose and vote for him if a better alternative isn't there. But there was a similar level of excitement twelve years ago when Obama was running, and we see where that led. Unless Bernie begins to understand and educate as to the true nature of US Empire, I don't see any great "Movement" happening through him."

You can forget about the "Overton window". That could exist only amid a feeling of abundance. But today, even though the empire nominally is still rich (but not for much longer), the entire "political spectrum" agrees on Mammon and specifically on how Mammon now dictates a zero-sum game.

I remember well the excitement at the econoblogs in 2009. I was an avid participant at Naked Capitalism, Baseline Scenario and others. Some of us thought it just might be a revolutionary situation.

Well, obviously we were wrong about that.

Part of the reason we were wrong is that we underestimated the Democratic Party's capacity to suck in all free-floating dissension and misdirect it back toward corporate imperialism's goals.

Like with the kind of scum who shill for the Democratic operative Sanders. Which is why I have such a special hatred for them: With zero excuse of ignorance or naivete, with full conscious malice they still proselytize for the US fake-electoral-representative-democratic system, and do all they can to denigrate the historically-proven options of work fully outside the system.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 14:09 utc | 252

somebody @ 250

From my experience and relationships you're very right about many immigrants knowing the nature of US empire. You are very wrong in your assumption about me that "You don't seem to talk to them", not cool to make false assumptions about someone you don't even know, and in this case it couldn't be further from the truth. But I agree with your initial statement re immigrants and effects of empire. I also have a few immigrant friends and acquaintances who drink the Empire Kool-Aid just like many of my native USian friends, so it's not an all-or-nothing thing.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 25 2020 14:31 utc | 253

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 14:09 utc | 252

No, the left fell for their own type of racism in 2009. They could not perceive of a black person being part of the establishment. They fell for Obama's image.

Obama did not lie. He said in many, many ways on many occasians that he was not anti-imperialist, that he was on good terms with the finance industry, that he was not against war, and that he was of the same branch of the Democratic Party as Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton's health care policy was more to the left than Obama's as I understand.

The "left" trusted Benetton marketing.

I am not sure Bernie Sanders will even physically survive his campaign but his marketing approach is on the side of authentic.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 15:05 utc | 254

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 15:05 utc | 254

the left fell for their own type of racism in 2009. They could not perceive of a black person being part of the establishment. They fell for Obama's image.

Obama did not lie. He said in many, many ways on many occasians that he was not anti-imperialist, that he was on good terms with the finance industry, that he was not against war, and that he was of the same branch of the Democratic Party as Hillary Clinton.

Of course he didn't lie. Almost always he proclaimed his pro-Wall Street, pro-corporate, pro-war agenda. He left the campaign trail to go back to Washington in order to whip personally for the TARP. No non-idiot had any doubts about Obama as a hard core pro-corporate right-winger.

I am not sure Bernie Sanders will even physically survive his campaign but his marketing approach is on the side of authentic.

But you learned nothing, even though you openly admit you're swooning for his "marketing approach."

For me a prerequisite would be total contempt for mainstream marketing approaches.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 15:23 utc | 255

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 15:23 utc | 255

For me a prerequisite would be total contempt for mainstream marketing approaches.

You recommend to stay at home and not talk to anybody?

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 15:41 utc | 256

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 15:41 utc | 256

"You recommend to stay at home and not talk to anybody?"

I recommend talking directly to everybody and never making any concessions to the lie machine.

Radical, I know.

I personally seem not to have demagogic talents, otherwise I wouldn't be an online writer, I'd be out there giving speeches.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 16:05 utc | 257

somebody, Russ

No. Obama did lie. Like a rug.

"Change You Can Believe In" was a lie.

His pretended peace-loving, progressive orientation was a lie.

He didn't close Guantanamo, bring troops home (Iraq essentially threw USA out), champion economic fairness (as was insinuated by the "community organizer" hype), etc. Instead, he droned (bragging that he was "good at it"); started covert wars (notably Syria and Libya); bailed out Wall Street; gave CIA a pass on rendition and torture; refused to include a 'public option' in his healthcare plan; and made the Bush Tax cuts permanent via a well-planned farce called "The Fiscal Cliff". (Note: this is not meant to be an exhaustive list of betrayals.)

Obama's lies are underscore by the apologists that touted his 11-dimensional chess.

Sure, anyone that was already skeptical of the establishment could see that Obama was more of the same but most of the public bought the bullshit because the were so disgusted with Bush and the Republican's put up the laughable odd-couple of McCain-Palin against Obama-Biden.

Obama's faux populist Presidential model was so successful that the Deep State adopted it for Trump as well. And it works(!) because the political divide means that the right can not see how they are being played in much the same way. "America First" is just as much a lie as "Change You Can Believe In."

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 16:05 utc | 258

@249 Krollchem

First of all, Russ is a big boy who doesn't need your cover, and gives as good as he gets!

REALITY CHECK: This election is going to be red hot vitriolic and dirty, and an excrutiating fight to the finish and namby pambyness won't make it to the finish line. So I'm not going to pull any punches and will cut through bullshet with buzzsaw determination wherever, whenever.

My patience is thin when people ESPECIALLY COMPARE this moment to 2008-9! First of all, Obama was A TOTALLY TRANSPARENT PRETENTIOUS FAKER, and if Russ didn't spot it then; TOO BAD. The Democratic Party has since been exposed in every way, and Obama was the eye-opener for many. Good on that, only, Obama benefit!

Sanders was one of the first to protest the Dem Party's betrayal of the people's WILL and that's why he ran as an Independent in his state, but people who think you can win with a third party (except party within a party) in the general are loony-tune enablers of the status quo! Obama was all in with the Dem Party and is already moving against Sanders behind the scenes! In fact the establishment on both sides fear the rise of Sanders' movement and will do anything to stop it.

In fact there are 3 PARTIES involved in this election! Yes 3! There's the Trump Ziofascist party, there's the Democratic Neo-establishment party and there's the Sanders aka the people's movement rising within to take their power back! Sanders is rightly using the establishment that abused the people's TRUST and this is how to break out of the control stranglehold. Anyone who has been a hostage knows that playing the kidnapper to survive and exploit weakness is the way out, and this has been a hostage situation for the non-neo Left for DECADES! Most Dems are so fearful of a second Trump term they'll have no choice but to push Sanders over the top if he makes the general cause he is the only candidate who has the energized momentum that can beat Trump. This election is about MOMENTUM. And the Trump whip factor is the ONLY chance to break away from the Dem neogrip! This is why I was FOR a Trump win in the general BEFORE election day and 110% against him right after he won, because I knew that it would take the Trump factor to whip up this breakaway opportunity! And I'm not going to allow cynical fake purists to kill this Sanders momentum!

Anyway, Sanders just opened up a sizable lead in Iowa on Biden and on the other neo establishment candidates after earlier this week doubling his lead in NH.

Already because of this latest poll, the establishment is wasting no time to bombard him with another fake hitjob dealing with a recent endorsement trying to sully Sanders with some comments that this endorser made regarding transgenders when Bernie has stated categorically he is for gender rights across the board and healthcare for all including for trans medical issues.

BERNIE SANDERS IS FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE ACROSS THE BOARD; HE DOES NOT DESCRIMINATE PERIOD!

THEY CAN THROW THE KITCHEN SINK AT BERNIE, BUT HE'S STILL GOING TO RUN AWAY WITH THE LEAD. BERNIE IS ON 🔥🔥🔥! No other candidate is showing the momentum Bernie has that is critical for beating Trump! None of the others can or would beat Trump, not even their safe Biden or their shoo-shoo Neolib, Buttigig.

If Sanders starts winning early primaries, watch for the neo establishment to pull out all the stops to keep him from winning the nomination even if he's the clear front-runner. The Dem neo establishment will expose their their biased intentions with every dirty trick.

IF people demand Bernie get the nomination and the Dems acquiesce and give him the super-delegate majority, then Bernie will be hit with another even worse wave of smear.

The Ziofascist Trump Party is going to roll out the scary propaganda machine and it's going to be a non-stop barrage of ugly ads and fear-mongering media coverage.

This fight at this time is critical on many levels to STOP MILITARY ESCALATION AND FOCUS ON THE LOOMING CLIMATE THREAT TO THE PLANET, and it's going to be brass knuckles all the way, so I will call out intolerable bullshet, from anyone, as I see it, starting NOW.

I will not suffer FAKE CYNICAL PURISTS like Russ or anybody else twisting and obsessively nitpicking and scabbing every insignificant, ideologically suspicious-looking pimple to mess up this final, yes, final, for at least a generation, opportunity to take power away from the Neo/Zio fascist billionaire cabal who are fcking up this world for ordinary people for generations to come! It's now or never, people! This is a critical time; and hell no, it's not like Obama rescues Wall Street time, and I have ZERO patience WITH GOOD REASON for fake purity and hyped up smears.

ZERO PATIENCE.

SANDERS 2020 OR BUST OR SHUT UP, GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET OTHERS FIGHT FOR THIS!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 16:22 utc | 259

CA primary is on Super Tuesday. Sanders is ahead in the polls there. If he can pile a victory there on top of victories in Iowa, NH, and NV, I do not think he can be stopped. Irresistible momentum.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 25 2020 16:43 utc | 260

More Pompeo:

'You think Americans care about Ukraine?': Pompeo

Statement by Secretary Michael R. Pompeo

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 25 2020 16:44 utc | 261

A New Definition of Warfare
Sanctions can be more deadly than bullets.

What’s better than a pandemic attack ?
Washington doesnt even need to impose sanction, people’d voluntarily avoid the victim like plague !

———————

FUKUS [fuck UK, US]
JUST SENT THIS GONG HEI FAT CHOY TO THE CHINESE….
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/251998912974-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

THE ULTIMATE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT…..

YOu really couldnt fault the [[[bastards]]] for their choice of Crime venue...

Wuhan is a powerhouse of China's industries,
also its the hub of TW investments.
A prolong shut down would hit China's economy where it hurts.

Its a major hub of China's fast rails and have air links to dozens of countries,
The outbreak was timed to coincide with the annual exodus of Chinese workers to go home for Chinese new year.
These two factors would ensure the max speed of propagation,/

And......
This happens to be the site of a brand new BSL4 biolab,

A casual browse on the net yields the predictable or perhaps anticipated reaction...

Was there a leak from the lab ?
The Chinese are stupid building a biolab so near to the market,

There'r even scumbags who suggest...
Is this a Chinese FF, ?

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/open-thread-2020-06.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a503b6d5200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a503b6d5200b

As this author observes...

Even popular Alt Media platforms are being used to float planted propaganda and false narratives — PREEMPTIVELY — in order to deflect any and all attention from this transparent bio-terror attack by the West. See this purposeful headline, which is usually issued by the CIA’s Mockingbird Media, as an example of such a diversionary tactic and strategic misdirection: The Real Umbrella Corp:
Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”.

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5231#more-5231

As [[[they]]] expected, now the focus is on
those dirty and stupid Chinese and...
CCP bastards who gass poison their own people !!!

Clever eh , those [[[SOBS]]] !!!

P.S.
Dont get confused, [[[]]] = FUKUS AKA FUCK UK, US

Posted by: denk | Jan 25 2020 16:48 utc | 262

IS THIS A CHINESE FF,
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Posted by: denk | Jan 25 2020 16:58 utc | 263

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 16:05 utc | 258

Sorry, if you do not understand language, you cannot be a judge if someone is lying or not.

"Change, you can believe in."

Any new president is "change". You "can" but you cannot. "believe" it is possible to believe in anything, it does not make it true.

His pretended peace-loving, progressive orientation was a lie.

You do not seem to have listened to him. "I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war."

I do not know what you mean by "progressive". I know Hillary described herself as such, so Obama might do that in the same right.

Guantanomo - Obama tried but failed according to my knowledge.

To sum it up: You claim Obama lied about something he never said but was other people's projection.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 17:14 utc | 264

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 16:05 utc | 258

No. Obama did lie. Like a rug.

"Change You Can Believe In" was a lie.

Actually Obama, like almost all politicians, told very few lies. Instead he relied on the terminal electoralist retards to read their fantasies into him.

Just like continues to go on with crooks like Trump, Biden, Buttigieg, Hillary, Sanders, Gabbo etc.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 25 2020 17:18 utc | 265

b runs a fine site here at MOA,
unfortunately as it grows ever more popular,
it attracts lots of empire apologists/shills.

Posted by: denk | Jan 25 2020 17:31 utc | 266

Re c1ue | Jan 24 2020 17:27 utc | 207
"A pico curie would be therefore 3.7 x 10 exp -2 disintegrations per second = 0.037 disintegrations per second = not very radioactive at all. Multiplying this by 9300 = 344 becquerels."

You can Google picocurie and find that "A picocurie is one trillionth of a curie. Thus, a picocurie (abbreviated as pCi) represents 2.2 disintegrations per minute."

2.2 disintegrations per second X 9300 = 20,460 disintegrations per second
Typically that would release roughly 10,000 alpha particles per second. Alpha particles won't penetrate your skin, but if you inhale or ingest them, they can wreak havoc with any cells they come in contact with.

Atoms are incredibly small, a single grain of sand contains 50 quintillion (50 million million million) atoms. So even a microscopic particle or a radioactive substance can contain huge numbers of atoms. This is especially true when speaking of fission products or any radioactive metal that hs been mined and concentrated. When such a microscopic particle is placed next to living cells, it will deliver a high dose of radiation to the cells immediately adjacent to it. Many cells will be killed, but some will have their DNA/RNA damaged and this can lead to cancer.

You also write, "In 1 gram of natural uranium, the U238 - which is what reactors and bombs are made from - is 12,356 Becquerels. The U235 is 568 Becquerels."
Sorry, nuclear weapons are not made of U238; fissile cores are made of highly enriched uranium typically containing 85%-90% U235 or Plutonium239. And U235 has a specific activity of 80,011 Bq/g.

Nuclear advocates like to compare the effects of exposure to refined uranium metals to the diffuse uranium particles found in nature. This is very misleading because the uranium created in the refining process is vastly more concentrated than that which humans and other living things have been exposed to during evolution.

See the introduction page of http://du-deceptions.com/ for the source of this quote:

Natural uranium – uranium that has been concentrated by human beings – represents an enhanced radiological hazard over uranium found in nature. Since the 1940s, humankind has unearthed millions of tons of uranium-bearing ore, extracted the uranium and concentrated it. This man-made product is a new radiological pollutant that never before existed on the Earth’s surface. Thus, so-called natural uranium has only existed in the biosphere since the Manhattan Project. (This obfuscation of the English language is a grand ploy by which the Cult of Nuclearists bewilders and misleads humankind.)

To grasp the radiological difference between depleted uranium and the uranium found in nature, a simple example will suffice. Let’s imagine that two spherical particles, each 2.5 microns (0.0001 inch) in diameter, are absorbed into the bloodstream. One is a speck of dust of depleted uranium metal composed of 100% uranium. Mathematically, it has been estimated that such a particle contains approximately 210,000,000,000 molecules of UO2 (Dietz). The second particle is a speck of soil entering into the body with some ingested food. Its uranium content is that of the uranium found in nature. For simplicity’s sake, let’s assume this speck contains the same number of molecules. If its uranium concentration exists as 1 ppm, it will contain only 210,000 molecules of uranium. Thus, for equivalent quantities of uranium to enter the body, one would have to ingest one million soil particles to uptake the same amount of uranium as that contained in the single particle of DU. Consequently, it should be apparent that micron-sized particles of depleted uranium create a significantly greater localized chemical and radiological hazard to the cells in the immediate vicinity of where they become lodged compared with internalized particles containing the uranium found in nature.

And the link I posted for the recent article America's Radioactive Secret deals primarily with RADIUM in the brine water, not Uranium. Excerpt from the article:
"Radium, typically the most abundant radionuclide in brine, is often measured in picocuries per liter of substance and is so dangerous it’s subject to tight restrictions even at hazardous-waste sites. The most common isotopes are radium-226 and radium-228, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission requires industrial discharges to remain below 60 for each. Four of Peter’s samples registered combined radium levels above 3,500, and one was more than 8,500."


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Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 25 2020 18:23 utc | 267

somebody, Russ

Obama & his Deep State handlers deliberately misrepresented his intentions and misled the American people. In my book that is a lie.

Obama's specialty was misdirection(a form of lying), often via conflating issues. Some notable examples:

Susan Rice had nothing to do with Benghazi!!
Pretending that valid questions were a racist campaign against Rice.
We now know that the "anti-Muslim video" was a lie (initially started by Max B.)

The fiscal cliff!
Pretending that Obama was FORCED to agree to making Bush tax cuts permanent

"Moderate Rebels"
Pretend that a proxy army is a

Syrian Redline
A dog whistle for "moderate rebels" to conduct a chemical weapons attack.

ISIS as "al Queda's JV team"
An excuse to allow ISIS to rise

HARP (Home Affordable Refinance Program)
Pretending to help homeowners when they are actually just "foaming the runway" for the banks

NSA Spying: "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
Constitutional lawyer Obama's way of pissing on the Constitution.

Income inequality
Pretend that the real issue is poverty.


Then there's the broken campaign promises: he didn't bring troops home, he didn't close Quantanamo, he didn't provide a 'public option' for healthcare, etc.

What you dismiss as "marketing" of a President, is at best deceptive advertising - a kind of lie that is universally recognized as repulsive.

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Now the "marketing" lies continue with more lies about the Obama legacy. Such laxness only serves to bolster "Democracy Works!" propaganda.

Here's the real legacy: a faux populist deceiver and Deep State team member who started covered up GW Bush's crimes and started Cold War II.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 18:36 utc | 268

More Obama misdirection/half-truths (commonly known as LIES):

Russian Reset
Just. Plain. Bullshit.

Getting tough with BP
Scolding BP but allowing toxic chemical dispursants that reduce financial liability

Obamatrade (TPP)
Gotta pass it to know what's in it

"Most transparent administration ever"
While conducting a war on whistle-blowers and a free press


!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 18:50 utc | 269

Some seem too obtuse to understand why Russia and Occupied Palestine have their relationship. Maybe if they took the time to read Putin's speech...

Okay, I took the time and I'm still clueless. Leningrad was an undeniable fact. It has little discernible relation to Israel, except that some survivors live there. The Holocaust is a totally fake item, so the fact that Soviets liberated Auschwitz is neither here nor there. No, the real story is that Russian nationalism is a basis for Russian survival, and it cannot manage without artificial stimulants such as the honour of having fought the "greatest evil of all time". That's why the Auschwitz documents that were released under perestroika, showing a tiny, tiny fraction of the four million alleged Auschwitz Jewish deaths actually occurred and mostly from typhus, had to be sealed up again by Putin. That, and to get Israel's help with America, is why Putin needs the Holocaust and moves in such bad company. The ethics of Putin's Christian Russia is to look after number one, unlike the constitution of Shia Iran that calls for support for the oppressed of the earth.

Posted by: sarz | Jan 25 2020 18:57 utc | 270

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 18:50 utc | 269

People are responsible for themselves. If they want to believe something that is their problem. Obama did not misrepresent himself.

You cannot delegate your fantasies to someone you elect. In real life you have to do stuff yourself.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 18:57 utc | 271

Jin Rappoport is an independent investigator who has extensively covered various alleged viral epidemics. He has some sensible advice on the latest scare.

Man who pushed SARS dud now pushing new Chinese virus

Posted by: sarz | Jan 25 2020 19:11 utc | 272

somebody @271: Obama did not misrepresent himself.

Then why was there an expectation that he would bring troops home, close Guantanamo, provide a 'public option' in his healthcare initiative, and let the Bush tax cuts expire?

Why were his apologists insisting that Obama was playing 11-dimensional chess as he caved into Republican demands again and again - prompting Michael Obama to attempt to excuse Obama's lack of change-making by declaring that "change takes time" at the 2012 Democratic National Convention?

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 19:43 utc | 273

sarz @270--

In his speech, Putin directly linked the Jewish/Soviet experience with Leningrad's and the overall Holocaust. Several million former Soviet and Russian citizens--some with dual citizenship--reside in Occupied Palestine: Russian affinity for Russians exists wherever they may reside and are seen as children of the Motherland. The relationship dynamics are very similar to those between Ukraine and Russia as well as the other former Soviet states and Russia.

Gazing about Eastern Europe, statues, cemeteries and other memorials to the Soviet Liberators are being defaced and torn down amidst an acute rise is racist Russophobia; but in Occupied Palestine a brand new memorial was erected dedicated to not just the liberators of the Death Camps, but to those who shared the fate of the Jews during the War in their own distinct type of death camp--Leningrad. Not all Jews are bloodsucking Zionists.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 21:11 utc | 274

Some think Wayne Madsen a decent writer; I disagree. He demonstrates why that's so in this item published today, "Beware of the Scheming Trotskyists." The following paragraph is the primary evidence:

"The schism between so-called 'Independent Socialist' 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders and traditional pro-labor Democratic candidates like former Vice President Joe Biden is the result of nothing more than a continuation of the Trotskyist program to divide and conquer social democratic and labor forces, even if such disruption aids the rise of fascist totalitarian regimes." [My Emphasis]

Biden, "pro-labor"?! The smearing of Sanders as the "Trotskyite" aiming to divide "social democratic and labor forces"?!? What's constructed by Madsen is a classic Straw Man to smear Bernie Sanders. The remainder of his blather is just that. Nor is this the first time I've seen very questionable writing done by Madsen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 21:24 utc | 275

Karlof1 reads the documents so we don't have to! (or a least only have to read a minimum)
Thanks for your inspired and stalwart efforts.

A word that people need to have inculcated into their brains, if they think they think, is parse. This is particularly true for the interpretation of politician's statements - especially masterful ones like V V Putin. ie how much or how little is s/he actually stating about something.

An example could be from the "Ceremony to unveil the Memorial Candle monument dedicated to the residents and defenders of besieged Leningrad" speech that karlof1 | Jan 24 2020 18:22 utc | 210 linked to. Putin used the phrase death camp about Auschwitz. Everyone can agree about that description (so many deaths there) - but it is not the same as saying extermination or killing camp.

Speculations about meaning are further broadened by translation. In the speech Putin also used the word antisemitic. What would that be in the original Russian? In English the word is a bastardised appropriation from a description of a class of language (semitic) that now means antijew (or more cynically, refers to someone/something jews don't like). Does the Russian word have the same history?

Posted by: tucenz | Jan 25 2020 21:34 utc | 276

This opportunity will not come again IN YOUR LIFETIME. Quit discussing the fake that was imposed. Barack Obama came out of Harvard and 5 minutes later he was President. Trump went from scams to reality show straight into the White House!

Bernie Sanders has been fighting for the common man and creating a movement to return power to people all his life! He's not a fly-by-night doing the will of the powerful with Obama's charm and Trump's mastery of deception. Sanders' attraction is his unwavering, consistent passion for his cause; SOCIAL JUSTICE.

Bernie is personified persistance hammering away the cause of social justice a lifetime waiting for this window of opportunity. He risked sitting as an Independent, persisted and finally he's this close to making his cause reality. He's in his late 70's and HE STILL HASN'T GIVEN UP. Think about it, this opportunity will never come again in a lifetime--don't blow it with purist cynicism. This is a small window of opportunity that won't come again for AN ENTIRE GENERATION and we are heading into a perfect storm: IMMINENT WAR AND CLIMATE CHANGE DISASTER. This is it--this is our last chance to claim rightful power in this Century. There is no other choice right now that doesn't spell betrayal and disaster. Only Sanders is genuine in the lot of them that have an ounce of integrity put together. (I'll give the ounce to Warren and Steyer).

Bernie wants social justice across the board without exclusion, and he's going to take from the MIC and Wall Street and everyone who's been screwing the vulnerable to get it! And it's not going to take Jesus, a messiah, to get it done; it's going to take everyone wherever, whoever you are that hungers for justice.

https://youtu.be/yOFhNCqccLA

https://youtu.be/fk1la_qP3Jk

Ergo: Not Bernie, not you, not me,...US starting now! So leave your misplaced purity test and your cynicism behind and start to fight for this opportunity, because you know here better than anywhere that they're coming for Bernie with everything they got and he doesn't stand a chance without all of us.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 22:05 utc | 277

@275 karlof1

I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you on this: the over a million former SU/Russian Jews that occupy the West Bank are USURPERS violating the Geneva Conventions and oppressing the rightful inhabitants of that land, the Palestinians for now close to a Century. Because of these Russian squatters Palestinians have endured decades of indignity, ethnic cleansing, loss of life and limbs, destruction of property, discrimination and outright injustice!!! Please do not give people who are on the verge of the greatest swindle of this Century thanks to Donald Trump that kind of legitimacy!

Everyone who has settled illegally on Palestinian land IS A ZIONIST PERIOD, no ifs or buts! None of those people squatting there fled from a concentration camp! Do not give legitimacy to Zionist propaganda for the sake of Mother Russia. If Putin were honest about this he would't be in Israel shaking hands with a Zionist terrorist from Irgun. Maybe he should get all the squatters out of there by opening the doors of Russia to his beloved Zionist Russians. His affectionate talk for them is CHEAP. You can cut the hypocrisy with a knife, it's that thick!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 22:46 utc | 278

tucenz @277--

Thanks for your observation, comment, and question.

Historically in Russia, Jews were heavily persecuted, subjected to organized attacks known as Pogroms, which is Yiddish and also Russian which my dictionary renders as chaos while online it's rendered as "devastation", which is vastly different. However, the working definition provided is: "an organized massacre of helpless people." What's important to note from the link is when the word Pogrom was coined and joined to that definition: 1891 as noun; 1915 as verb. The Holocaust Museum provides a definition and good brief historical outline here. Wikipedia's entry on Jews in Russia is quite long and even handed based on a brief skimming, although there're issues of presentism. One point's very clear however, Russian relations with its Jewish population didn't differ much from the rest of Europe. The word Anti-Semitism in anglicized in Russian--Антисемитизм--so there's no natural Russian cognate. To see how the rise in Pogroms within the Russian Empire compares with those in contemporary Europe, more specialized historical works would need to be consulted.

IMO, Putin's revulsion of Anti-Semitism meshes with his revulsion to the currently virulent Russophobia, which he sees as one and the same thing arising from essentially the same sources. IMO, Putin also abhors war and those promoting it, but he isn't afraid of war or to employ it to defend his people and those he's allied with. IMO, his great passion is for life and the utmost development of the human spirit, and he works tirelessly to see as many as possible within Russia have an opportunity to rise to their fullest abilities. I can't write those words about many other national leaders, certainly none from the NATO nations. I'd say Lavrov shares the same attributes with Putin.

My wife and I were talking after dinner a few nights back and I said, Isn't wanting the best outcome for your children, extended family and community a very traditional/conservative ideal? She said, Yes, certainly. I replied, So, since when did such desires become a radical political goal, since that's the program Sanders is pushing yet he and it are being called radical.

Conservatism has been everted with Radicalism and threatens the wellbeing of all.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 23:07 utc | 279

Circe @279--

It would be very helpful for you to learn some history and do some research before jerking your knee. Jewish people from Europe including Russia emigrated to Palestine and other areas of Southwest Asia to escape unbearable persecution well before Zionist promoters began their evil work. Same goes for Jewish refugees before, during and after WW2. Educate yourself, please!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 23:15 utc | 280

karlof1

This is what I was responding to in your post.

Jewish/Soviet experience with Leningrad's and the overall Holocaust. Several million former Soviet and Russian citizens--some with dual citizenship--reside in Occupied Palestine: Russian affinity for Russians exists wherever they may reside and are seen as children of the Motherland. The relationship dynamics are very similar to those between Ukraine and Russia as well as the other former Soviet states and Russia.

And to add to my previous comment to you: What is a statue commemorating Russian Jews who lost their lives in WWII in Leningrad doing in OCCUPIED PALESTINE anyway???

I'll answer that: giving legitimacy to land theft, a war crime AND Russia's own history vis a vis its Jewish population. Spare me, Putin's empathy!

The truth is that Palestinians paid for everyone else's sins and today are still paying with everyone's new-found hypocritical redemption with their Love for Israel, everyone paying their hypocritical respects year after year while IGNORING THE SUFFERING OF PALESTINIANS OUT OF SIGHT AND MIND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 23:16 utc | 281

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 25 2020 19:43 utc | 273

Then why was there an expectation that he would bring troops home, close Guantanamo, provide a 'public option' in his healthcare initiative, and let the Bush tax cuts expire?

Because he offered a huge projection screen. And because people did not look past the label "black",

It was not Obama's fault if people did not hear what he was saying.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 25 2020 23:30 utc | 282

karlof1

Don't try to cover your gaping lapse in judgment by disparaging my intelligence! Before the Partition and the Nakba the Jews in Palestine numbered in the THOUSANDS.

So, admit your own deficiency on the history of Palestine.

And let me enlighten you on an intentionally unpublished fact: most Jews are practicing Zionists, and by practicing I mean they are enabling the crimes of Zionism in one form or another either with their silence at a minimum and usually in more active ways!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 25 2020 23:32 utc | 283

worth a look..

Posted by: Barrie V | Jan 25 2020 23:43 utc | 284

Good news from an unexpected quarter:

"'In a dramatic climbdown, authorities at Belmarsh Prison have moved Julian Assange from solitary confinement in the medical wing and relocated him to an area with other inmates,' said WikiLeaks Ambassador Joseph Farrell in a statement today. 'The move is a huge victory for Assange’s legal team and for campaigners who have been insisting for weeks that the prison authorities must end the punitive treatment of Assange.'

"'But the decision to relocate Assange is also a massive victory of prisoners in Belmarsh,' Farrell added. 'A group of inmates have petitioned the prison governor on three occasions, insisting that the treatment of Assange was unjust and unfair. After meetings between prisoners, lawyers and the Belmarsh authorities, Assange was moved to a different prison wing — albeit one with only 40 inmates.'

"Belmarsh is a notoriously harsh maximum-security prison full of violent offenders and prisoners convicted under anti-terrorism laws, one of many reasons that Assange supporters have so vigorously opposed his confinement there. What does it tell you about the society you are living in that this population has a superior moral compass to the people who are actually running things?

"For years I’ve been arguing with Democratic Party-aligned liberals on one side saying that Assange is a Russian agent who deserves to be tortured, and a bunch of Trump-aligned right wingers on the other side saying their president is extraditing Assange for the good of the world. These are the two mainstream views on Assange within the western empire today. And a group of Belmarsh prisoners just proved themselves infinitely more ethical than any of them. They have a better sense of right and wrong than those running the empire, and they have a better sense of right and wrong than the propagandized apologists for that empire." [My Emphasis]

It's unfortunate that stronger language just doesn't come readily to mind to replace my bolding of Caitlin Johnstone's words. If anything, she proves our arguments that many of those in leadership positions ought to be in prison instead.


Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 23:55 utc | 285

I wonder if people are just unaware or just intellectually dishonest.
I've seen the videos from Project Veritas that show who the people who work for Bernie Sanders, the alleged 'Democratic-Socialist', are, in fact, Communist revolutionaries pining for a chance to guillotine the rich and implement a violent revolution in America complete with gulags.
I haven't seen any media address this issue.
I'm shocked that people cannot see through the fog of lies generated by the Propaganda Sirens (so called MSM).
America has found itself in a position where it's economy can be rapidly crashed by bankers. The voter machines are owned by Soros et al.
How many people believe it can't happen here? 1917 2.0 is becoming more and more likely. I see events such as the Northam goading of Middle America as part and parcel for the circumstances required to precipitate a violent revolution.
Anyone else paying attention or is it better to just blather about Gabbard and other faux saviour?

Posted by: dorje | Jan 26 2020 0:18 utc | 286

This thing with Pompeo and the News Lady is hilarious:

Pompeo Denounces News Media, Igniting Outrage

Somebody is unhinged alright.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 26 2020 0:31 utc | 287

The truth about Epstein is slowly leaking out, Cindy McCain (John McCain's widow) let her tongue get a little too lose at a conference in Florida and admitted that

"“We all knew about him. We all knew what he was doing, but we had no one that was – no legal aspect that would go after him. They were afraid of him. For whatever reason, they were afraid of him.”

so many questions are opened up by this, John McCain was one of the most powerful and influential senators in the US and had an extremely abrasive, stubborn and warmongering personality. Heck, McCain was the "highly placed" Senator who vouched for the accuracy of the Steele dossier to the FBI, basically meaning that he was backing a coup attempt against Trump. "Who" or "What" could intimidate McCain? Unless of course, McCain wasn't intimidated by Epstein at all and was perfectly fine with Epstein running his blackmail campaign against the wealthy and powerful.

Posted by: Kadath | Jan 26 2020 0:52 utc | 288

karlof1

War Crimes against Palestinians committed by Putin's now beloved dual citizens and other Jews.

Since 1948 over ONE MILLION Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed from their land. There are presently 7.2 MILLION displaced Palestinian refugees, millions of which have suffered no status and ghettoized conditions for DECADES.

Roughly 100,000 Palestinians have been killed in massacres, occupation wars and extra-judicial kiling by daily military oppression under JEWISH OCCUPATION, and incapacitating injuries are close to triple that amount. The mortality rate for infants and elders who died from deprivation over the years in the Occupied Prison territory could be as high as 300,000 and maybe more.

Hundreds of thousands of acres of land have been stolen from Palestinians. Tens of thousands of Palestinian homes have been either destroyed, bulldozed or occupied by settlers and Palestinians thrown out on the street. Infrastructure razed, land contaminated and hospitals and schools riddled by artillery in Israeli military operations.

Palestinians have been deprived of human and legal and international legal rights and state recognition for over 70 YEARS!

And I won't get into the suffering with embargo, checkpoints, cattle cages, family separation, extra-judicial arrests of adults AND CHILDREN, torture, settler harrassment, travel restriction and all the daily oppression they suffer at the hands of their Jewish occupiers in the racist, Apartheid state.

Palestinians have been subjected to perpetual WAR CRIMES to satisfy the conscience of others--Putin included.

And YOU want to educate me and have people buy into that sympathy for the Russian Occupiers baloney???

Not a chance!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 26 2020 1:03 utc | 289

@287 dorje

I see Ziofascist fear-mongering smear propagandists have already reared their ugly head. And who pays you? Trump, Bloomberg, other Zionist oligarchy, the DNC, the RNC, or ZOA?

Doesn't matter; all one and the same.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 26 2020 1:17 utc | 290

karlof1@281

thank you for your many truly golden posts, i have learned so much: hudson, piping rock, several russian sites...to name but a few (& yes, i too stopped on the madsen this morning for similar reasons) so i trust you will continue to share your research, views & vast knowledge regardless of some & that you shan't take offence when i remind you that sometimes an old sufi saying is very apt..'walk in a muddle puddle expect a muddy hem.'

Posted by: emersonreturn | Jan 26 2020 1:55 utc | 291

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 25 2020 23:55 utc | 286 with the Assange coverage by Catlin Johnstone and the Belmarsh prisoners standing up for basic human morality better than the leadership on the outside of the cages they are in.......thanks

Western reality has become a real time soap opera. Behind the curtain of this soap opera are the global private owners of the economic lifeblood money system/social contract. America is about to be thrown under the bus of blame for those international folks behind the curtain. Trump is firmly driving the American bus into the ravine. Not that it doesn't deserve more balancing with other parts of the world, instead of being complicit tools for Hand, The Invisible (my new name for what I have called God of Mammon)

Hand, The Invisible is from The Lost Science Of Money by Stephen Zarlenga which I recently finished ploughing through its 685 pages. The Hand, The Invisible may have come from one of Zarlenga's sources, I haven't been able to find it again..

Zarlenga wrote that in the US there should be a fourth, monetary, part of our executive, legislative and judicial parts and I agree.

The cult of private finance has stolen the ability of each of us to control the definition of our personal interactions through our government, that core socialistic experiment of social governance we are executing today, like we did yesterday, but don't have to do in the same way tomorrow.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 26 2020 2:40 utc | 292

@293 - I think the monetary interests would have to be the fifth branch. The media already has claimed (or been granted) the fourth branch / "the fourth estate." Maybe the monetary interests could be called the fifth column?
I haven't heard of Stephen Zarlenga. Thank you for that! MoA is my only friend.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 26 2020 3:04 utc | 293

@ Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 26 2020 3:04 utc | 294 and others

Below is some more about the Stephen Zarlenga book

Zarlenga, who died in 2017, writes in his book, "The Lost Science Of Money", that monetary reform is needed and that Money'a Nature must dictate that reform.

Zarlenga bases his understanding of the Nature of Money on

Aristotle - "Money exists not by nature but by law;"

Plato - "a money token for purposes of exchange;"

Paulus - "This device being officially promulgated, circulated and maintained its purchasing power not so much from its substance as from its quantity."

Berkeley - "Whether the true idea of money as such, be not altogether that of a ticket, or counter?;"

Locke and Franklin viewed money as a pledge for wealth rather than wealth itself.

Del Mar "...what is commonly understood as money has always consisted tangibly, of a number of pieces of some material, marked by public authority and named or understood in the laws or customs: that its palpable characteristic was its mark of authority; its essential characteristic, the possession of value, defined by law; and its function, the legal power to pay debts and taxes and the mechanical power to facilitate the exchange of other objects possessing value."

Knapp - "Our test, that the money is accepted in payments to state offices."

Zarlenga - "Money'a essence (apart from what is used to signify it), is an abstract social power embodied in law, as an unconditional means of payment."

As I wrote in my earlier comment, Zarlenga wanted to add a fourth, monetary, branch to the US government.

His 3 steps to get there from here are
1. Nationalize the Federal Reserve
2. End fractional-reserve banking and institute the 100% reserve solution developed by Frederick Soddy (guy who also laid groundwork for big bang theory)
3. Institute anti-deflation programs and beware of deflation

Zarlenga wrote about Pope John Paul II calling for a debt Jubilee and saw usury stopped with new public money and "....a national legal limit of 8% annual interest, including credit cards, with no offshore loopholes. No interest should be paid on checking accounts. Cumulative interest should never be allowed to exceed the amount loaned....."

I believe that Western society, to become a civilization, needs to evolve to a public form of money, or it will remain in the barbarism approach that Trump and his staff are showing.

China is leading the way and forcing this issue.....socialism or barbarism.....I vote for socialism.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 26 2020 4:46 utc | 294

Below is a link to a Public Banking Institute posting show that public banking progress is being made

New York introduces legislation to create an electronic public banking platform and state digital currency

I am sure that at some point after the impeachment that DC Congress Critters will get right on the public banking bandwagon..../snark

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 26 2020 5:04 utc | 295

And read the link below as another example of shit going down in America you couldn't make up....

A Bank Called the Cops on a Black Man Trying to Deposit the Money He Won in a Discrimination Lawsuit

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 26 2020 5:17 utc | 296

james #136

From my observations of USA politics there appears to be no avenue for a third party at this stage. Sanders is using aikido on the Dems to get his run launched at the expense of their (damaged) momentum. Well good luck to him but there may be no effective alternative. The duopoly paradigm is rock solid and I trust he and team can succeed.

On the question of a ready to go administration that Russ and jackrabbit have touched on here I would think he has a fair idea but no list. A list would leak as sure as night follows day.

One of my most successful political mentors strongly advised that when you are in a meeting with 5 or more people, assume one of them will betray you or leak the conversation. How true that was on occasion. The oligarchs media would just character assassinate every person on a Sanders list so why would you feed them? Demanding the list of is a red herring at this stage.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 26 2020 11:18 utc | 297

Bernie Sanders would probably be an improvement over his fellow tribesman Donald Trump. Both are Zionists, Trump excessively so, but Sanders in a devious way, promoting the two-state solution, a lite-Judaic caper that serves Zionist goals.

Both know the score on the Fed. Trump had called for auditing the Fed, and during the campaign had reached out to people like Bill Still who want to abolish it. Then he brought in Goldman Sachs. And made Mnuchin, multiply related to the Rothschilds, his treasury secretary. We realize we were had.

Posted by: sarz | Jan 26 2020 11:37 utc | 298

Piotr Berman #206

Actually, in January I contributed to Gabbard who was very good at articulating those points, with few traces of policy team. And her presence and people like her supporters move Sanders to recognition that there are real problems there. The movement of Overton Window on other issues was better, but there is actual progress.

Thank you for your stalwart advocacy on this thread. There have been some class sparring and retorts. Gabbard is a strong speaker and she is no user of weasel words like Warren. There is a loud noticeable change in the public discourse in the USA thanks to Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard and their persistence. The next six months will be fascinating.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 26 2020 11:39 utc | 299

Continued (sorry)

Bernie Sanders was the Senate sponsor of Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill that passed in the House with overwhelming support. But when it came to the Senate, Sanders gutted his own billl with amendments that made it, according to Ron Paul, worse than nothing. (See Ron Paul talking about it on YouTube.) Why? Is that not Judaic baggage?

Posted by: sarz | Jan 26 2020 11:44 utc | 300

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