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January 23, 2020
Open Thread 2020-06
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@krollchem #83 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 23 2020 22:05 utc | 101 Tucenz @ 48 Posted by: tucenz | Jan 23 2020 22:11 utc | 102 @Jon_in_AU #86 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 23 2020 22:21 utc | 103 Pft @ 100 Posted by: Seer | Jan 23 2020 22:27 utc | 104 karlof1 #36
Thank you, YES to that but I err on the side of optimism and whether brought to account or not, we will build a better world. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 23 2020 22:29 utc | 105 “The REAL ‘terrorists’–-death is not a laughing matter, murder is a crime.” Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 23 2020 22:33 utc | 106 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 23 2020 16:14 utc | 11 Posted by: Chas | Jan 23 2020 19:05 utc | 54 Posted by: Kali | Jan 23 2020 19:09 utc | 55 Circe #95 responding to jackrabbit
Yes to that. PLUS I notice that the most extraordinary espionage / blackmail conducted against Congresscritters by the Awan family mafia is studiously NOT prosecuted by Trump. To do so would give him extraordinary clout yet he defers to HRC and her attack dog Wasserman Shultz. What a steaming pile of turds. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 23 2020 22:47 utc | 110 uncle tungsten @105– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 23 2020 22:52 utc | 111 uncle tungsten @110 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 23 2020 22:53 utc | 112 Main point, and worry, in Davos Summit of the rich elites, that the people is fed up of capitalism, as the last intenrational polls throw, and this is happening in places which could seem so distant in labor and life conditions and unequality like India ( where massive strike of the size of the whole population of countries like Russia have taken place lately, and take place periodically…without any echo in the MSM… )or Western Europe….
Posted by: Sasha | Jan 23 2020 22:54 utc | 113 If he’s for real, he must have a full cadre ready to go, a government-in-waiting, fully loyal to Sanders, in full agreement with his agenda, ready to become executive appointees and hit the ground running from day one aggressively pushing this Sanders program, at least in the executive branch. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 23 2020 23:03 utc | 114 The Senator character played by Alan Arkin in the movie “Rendition” certainly seems from the acting and writing to be based on Sanders. I suspect somebody involved in making the movie had personal experience of D.C. and Sanders. Posted by: lysias | Jan 23 2020 23:08 utc | 115 In a day like yesterday….US merits to remain in Iraq getting 50% oil revenues while contributing zero to rebuilt the country they previosuly destroyed and funding and spreading chaos, unrest and terrorism…
https://twitter.com/Americas_Crimes/status/1219824455712694272 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 23 2020 23:09 utc | 116 If in the UN it smelled of sulfur, in Davos it smells like shit…
https://twitter.com/Maryuale/status/1220382925390254086 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 23 2020 23:19 utc | 117 Circe | Jan 23 2020 20:06 utc | 76 This is already a hot war the US is prosecuting against Iran. Posted by: Lurker in the Dark | Jan 23 2020 23:29 utc | 119 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 23 2020 23:03 utc | 114 c1ue@101 Posted by: krollchem | Jan 23 2020 23:50 utc | 121 krollchem@121 Posted by: krollchem | Jan 23 2020 23:55 utc | 122
https://twitter.com/ciudadfutura/status/1220395778033770496 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 23 2020 23:57 utc | 123
https://twitter.com/JeSuisEspe_/status/1220371813269737473 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 24 2020 0:00 utc | 124 A commentary about Sanders in The Week, showing the Overton Window in action: Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 0:03 utc | 125 @Beibdnn 5
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 24 2020 0:10 utc | 126 Russ@120 Posted by: krollchem | Jan 24 2020 0:11 utc | 127
https://twitter.com/IraqLiveUpdate/status/1220035122633879552 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 24 2020 0:11 utc | 128 Russ #120
I see solid and substantial evidence of Sanders building a movement for change and his election campaign. For these two runs he has created a wide and sustainable changemaking network and raised people’s hope and commitment to make a better government for the USA. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 24 2020 0:15 utc | 129 @ 48 tucenz… thanks… it is soft propaganda which sells well and keeps the masses generally happy via the pablum… Posted by: james | Jan 24 2020 0:25 utc | 130 krollchem #127
Reform from the ground up is usually renered impossible by thuggish machines.You can work your arse off at a branch level and maybe build a sufficient majority to get your team in control. Then come ballot time an extra fifteen people turn up fully credentialled and financial courtesy of ‘head office’ and you lose again. Or you get control of one or two branches in a state and then voila! like magic more branches spring up and they are all establishment cronies. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 24 2020 0:28 utc | 131 Mueller’s cases down the drain.How many millions did Mueller rack up?
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 24 2020 0:29 utc | 132 Xinhua repoted: Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 24 2020 0:32 utc | 133 I’m sure Sanders is a fraud, as are all his fanbots. Except perhaps for the terminally stupid ones. <-- Russ Words cannot express my gratitude to Russ as he allows that I may be a real human, if rather feebleminded. On the other hand, i have some doubt what is his native planet (but blessing to this unknown world for giving birth to such a generous and talented individual). Take this sage advise that may well be practical where he comes from: "If he's for real, he must have a full cadre ready to go, a government-in-waiting, fully loyal to Sanders, in full agreement with his agenda, ready to become executive appointees and hit the ground running from day one aggressively pushing this Sanders program, at least in the executive branch. After all, it's impossible to assemble such a cadre as an afterthought" Is this cadre bred for the occasion? Cloned? Trained in carefully organized camps -- with a bit of brainwashing to assure full loyalty? Not feasible on Earth, I am sorry to say. The standard method in USA is to defer to few organizations for the bulk of the cadre, say, ask Goldman-Sachs to fill economic positions, Brookings to do it with the rest of domestic policy, and brainstorm with few confidantes what to do with foreign, military, and intelligence. If you are more of an insurgent, you should have at least one person working with you with an expert background for every key policy area, and let him/her sort through applications, of which there will be many. I made a spot check on foreign policy. I observed that four years ago Sanders did not have much to say on those issues, staying "on message" that was fully domestic. But now he shows more opinions, and mostly good at that. Hear, hear! Sanders actually has a foreign policy adviser, Matt Duss, with Ph. D. in relevant area: on al-Sadr movement in Iraq, learned Arabic in the process, and his influence seems to be quite extensive according to observers. Matt was active as a journalist etc. and definitely has some network. Frankly, I am more of Gabbard man so it is only now that I did some checking. (I am not sure about her experts, but she has heart in the right place. And in best shape among the candidates.) Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 0:32 utc | 134 @krollchem #121 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 24 2020 0:33 utc | 135 uncle t…. if saunders was really up for it, i think it would have been wise to pull the plug on the dem machine back when he was steamrolled in the previous election… but he wanted to stay united to the sick reality… that to me reflects poorly on saunders and of course even more poorly on the dem party… either way, the usa has one choice only – the war party… no other choices are available as i see it.. now, this doesn’t mean i wouldn’t vote for bernie if i was in the usa, but the whole system is deeply in need of change.. going along with the status quo – what bernie did last time – just doesn’t add up to a strong leadership trait or the type of person that is needed at this time as i see it.. but, i am a canuck so take it fwiw.. Posted by: james | Jan 24 2020 0:36 utc | 136 Google translation: Posted by: Yalta 2.0? | Jan 24 2020 0:47 utc | 137 US industrial production has fallen from 5.4% growth in September 2018 to minus-1.01% in December. “Production has been negative for the last four months.” Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jan 24 2020 0:49 utc | 138 @ Russ | Jan 23 2020 22:44 utc | 109 Posted by: Ort | Jan 24 2020 0:49 utc | 139 Bartender, please open your finest bottle of wine. White or Red. Make that two. Many Canadians are at the bar. RFLMAO.
Any mention of Ukraine and Chrystia Freeland waves the flag. Where there is smoke, find the fire. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 24 2020 0:53 utc | 140 While Putin and Lavrov cry in Jerusalem with Netanyahu…..
https://twitter.com/KSyomin/status/1219956485310099456 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 24 2020 0:55 utc | 141 1# Posted by: willie | Jan 24 2020 1:17 utc | 142 Russ has confirmed he has BDS Bernie Derangement Syndrome.
💤🙄Aye-aye-aye…OF COURSE I’D LIKE SANDERS TO PICK AOC AS HIS V-P, DUM-DUM. I COULD GIVE A RAT’S ASS IF SHE’S NEW TO WASHINGTON! I’M NOT THE ONE HE HAS TO IMPRESS WITH HIS JUDGMENT/CHOICE; I’D LOVE IT IF HE PICKED AOC OR GABBARD! Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 1:21 utc | 143 On Wednesday, the Brexit Bill cleared the UK Parliament after the House of Commons had earlier rejected amendments submitted by the House of Lords.
https://sputniknews.com/uk/202001231078116640-queen-elizabeth-ii-approves-brexit-bill-/ Posted by: Mao | Jan 24 2020 1:24 utc | 144 uncle tungsten@131 Posted by: krollchem | Jan 24 2020 1:27 utc | 145 Sasha@141
Too many Zionist Russian Oligarchs with too much power. Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 1:33 utc | 146 Russ @ 120 Posted by: Carson | Jan 24 2020 1:53 utc | 147 Tim Robbins on Democracy Now discusses his endorsement of Bernie Sanders: Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 1:55 utc | 148 North Korea declared Tuesday on the global stage that it will no longer adhere to its moratorium on nuclear and missile tests, citing “brutal and inhumane” sanctions led by the United States on its regime. Posted by: Mao | Jan 24 2020 1:57 utc | 149 Seer @ 32 Posted by: Really?? | Jan 24 2020 2:01 utc | 150 So: Who are the people comprising the Sanders insurgent-government-in-waiting? Posted by: Really?? | Jan 24 2020 2:27 utc | 151 ‘The Denver Post’s most read columnist says he was fired by the newspaper for his belief that there are only two sexes. Posted by: Mao | Jan 24 2020 2:29 utc | 152 Sanders had a chance to build a Movement but refused to do so.
That means that Bernie’s is simply:
!! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 24 2020 2:40 utc | 153 Zionists don’t rely on voting Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 24 2020 2:41 utc | 154 Tick Tock. Posted by: ak74 | Jan 24 2020 3:11 utc | 155 @ Posted by: Really?? | Jan 24 2020 2:27 utc | 151 who wrote about Sanders Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 24 2020 3:24 utc | 156 As Pft @100 suggested, the new Coronavirus hype is definitely aimed at alternative purposes. Perhaps its merely the media’s regular attempt to drum up views with fear-mongering over any minor medical issue but I think the above suggestion that it is attempting to normalize stricter medical response that allow for population control (quarantines and vaccinations). An alternative could be that its aiming to damage China’s economic influence by making countries more reluctant to welcome Chinese travelers. In Japan there has been a rapid and widespread wave of paranoia about the dangers of Chinese visitors that could impact the tourism exchange (worth $15 billion in Chinese spending in Japan) which has been playing aa role in changing Chinese attitudes toward Japan for the better. A longstanding platform of US foreign policy in Asia has been to avoid any rapprochement between the Koreas, China and Japan as any trilateral harmony would almost certainly cripple US power projection in the region. The US also loves to hammer on about Operation Infektion and how the USSR spread the rumor that AIDS was the result of a US weapons lab failure. Don’t put it past the CIA to make use of such a tactic as part of anti-Chinese psyops. Posted by: Glagaire | Jan 24 2020 3:26 utc | 157 It has been about 100 years since the last great viral epidemic that killed a few million people. The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans. Eventually the movie “Contagion” will be real. The viruses adapt a lot more quickly to modern medicine and get stronger. Eventually there will be a substantial die off in human population. It is probably just a matter of time before another great pandemic causes major deaths across the world much greater than the annual deaths caused by yearly flus. It may or may not happen in our lifetime but it will definitely happen. Like black death, tuberculosis in 18th century or spanish flu. Posted by: Nick | Jan 24 2020 3:35 utc | 158 jb @ 18 asked;”Is there any equivalent to the money and organizing power of the Libertarians and the Kochs on the left? Any leftwing conferences of comparable impact?” Posted by: ben | Jan 24 2020 3:40 utc | 159 Jackrabbit@154 Posted by: krollchem | Jan 24 2020 3:41 utc | 160 mao@149 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 24 2020 3:49 utc | 161 Really?? #150 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 24 2020 3:52 utc | 162 After a heavy dose of well-deserved Me, myself and I Trump Karma, it’s finally time for Us. Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 3:59 utc | 163 Fracking is hardly an “absolute success”. Oil and gas wells created by fracking are producing more than a trillion (a million, million gallons) of toxic waste every year, enough to flood Manhattan, almost shin-high, every single day. Most wells produce far more brine than they do gas, and a great deal of the brine is significantly contaminated with radium. See America’s Radioactive Secret in Rolling Stone. They are dumping brine contaminated with radium on gravel roads for “dust control”. Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 24 2020 4:04 utc | 164 Below are the guts of a Xinhua posting about how the Mid-east plan will be released next week….sigh Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 24 2020 4:06 utc | 165 From the Grayzone: Posted by: ben | Jan 24 2020 4:55 utc | 166 Gucci Fall Winter 2020 Men’s Fashion Show Posted by: Sarah | Jan 24 2020 5:00 utc | 167 @154 Jackrabbit
Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 5:12 utc | 168 @167 Posted by: Nick | Jan 24 2020 5:16 utc | 169 beyond being a farce, Bernie is a fraud. never did he want to be president. the damage he will inflict to the Left is huge: the country can easily elect a progressive president, he is planted there in order to stifle that possibility, playing the double role of sheepdog & defensive wall for the Judeo-Zionist clique at the DNC. eventually, he will be “awarded” his fourth seaside mansion. Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Jan 24 2020 5:21 utc | 170 @165 psychohistorian Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 5:25 utc | 171 Libyan oil is low sulfur sweet crude so it is very easy to refine. In other words, a barrel of Libyan crude is very profitable compared to a barrel of a heavier higher sulfur crude found in Venezuela. Libya is also under explored so with the right investment it could crank out high numbers of exported sought after easy to refine oil. Posted by: dltravers | Jan 24 2020 5:31 utc | 172 Posted by: Really?? | Jan 24 2020 2:01 utc | 150 Posted by: Sarah | Jan 24 2020 5:35 utc | 173 Re: the Gucci fashion show, perhaps it would have been a bit more interesting if Bruno had interviewed a few of the designers. Posted by: Lurker in the Dark | Jan 24 2020 5:52 utc | 174
Hillary, is that you again??? Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 5:55 utc | 175 Posted by: Nick | Jan 24 2020 5:16 utc | 169 Posted by: Sarah | Jan 24 2020 6:04 utc | 176 According to several hits on a quick DuckDuckGo search, AOC was born on October 13, 1989. Posted by: John Anthony La Piet | Jan 24 2020 6:25 utc | 177 (Dunno why, but my name got cut short . . . so I’ll go with my initials instead for now.) Posted by: jalp | Jan 24 2020 6:27 utc | 178 @176 Posted by: Nick | Jan 24 2020 6:46 utc | 179 Additional U.S. troops have been flown out of Iraq for closer evaluation of potential concussion injuries from the Iranian missile attack of Jan. 8, U.S. defense officials said Tuesday. Posted by: … | Jan 24 2020 7:06 utc | 180 Posted by: krollchem | Jan 24 2020 0:11 utc | 127 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 24 2020 0:15 utc | 129 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 0:32 utc | 134 Posted by: Really?? | Jan 24 2020 2:27 utc | 151 Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 24 2020 0:32 utc | 133 Posted by: somebody | Jan 24 2020 10:43 utc | 185 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 0:03 utc | 125 Posted by: somebody | Jan 24 2020 10:57 utc | 186 Some rumours in French Canard Enchaine about a plan to kill another military leader on the same day as Soleimani, this time in Yemen. Posted by: Mina | Jan 24 2020 11:11 utc | 187 Apparently this is the new US policy in Iraq. Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 24 2020 11:22 utc | 188 So sad people talking about US politics as if it means anything more than fake wrestling. Lol, Not really, wish I could but everyone seems totally captured by the matrix beyond a few leaks that matter not. Anyways, carry on (sadly). Posted by: Pft | Jan 24 2020 11:33 utc | 189 The matter of disease cultured by deliberate scientific effort from 2015 @ The Scientist @ “Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate Posted by: Walter | Jan 24 2020 12:37 utc | 190 Laguerre Posted by: Mina | Jan 24 2020 12:54 utc | 191 @151Really?? @184 Russ Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 13:23 utc | 192
Posted by: Mina | Jan 24 2020 12:54 utc | 191 Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 24 2020 13:30 utc | 193 Posted by: Circe | Jan 24 2020 13:23 utc | 192 Yes Bank will not be allowed to fail: SBI Chief – State Bank of India chief said it would not be good for the country’s economy if a ‘significant player’ is allowed to fail
surprise surprise surprise Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 24 2020 14:30 utc | 196 that jacobin article gets one thing badly wrong–no, russia didn’t “hack” clinton’s emails. jesus. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 24 2020 14:33 utc | 197 to perimetr #164 Please tell me how this is possible – the spraying of brine to “keep the dust down” ??? Are there no local/state authorities with over sight? Every time I think I have just read of/seen the absolute dumbest human act possible, some one comes along and tops it. I read somewhere (no citation. Sorry) that the average IQ for the entire world is 82. Yes, Posted by: Miss Lacy | Jan 24 2020 15:24 utc | 198 A minister of HMG is derided when USA refused to extradite a lady who killed a young Englishman by driving on the wrong side of the road. The woman claimed to have diplomatic immunity, being a wife of an intelligence agent. — her husband was not a diplomat. Foreign minister protested and duly posted the outcome. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 15:54 utc | 199 For such an expert you’re strangely unable to tell me who comprises the Sanders executive team ready and able to go from day one once he’s in power. Because Yes, you would need that. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 24 2020 16:04 utc | 200 |
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