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January 16, 2020
Open Thread 2020-04
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Sarah @ 58 Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 17 2020 11:42 utc | 102 when you talk about BIS you have to consider the deep connection to germany from begin till 45, but actually far beyond that time till today. you have to consider the deep relation of germans with their money system. its not just that the dollar does have its linguistic origin from the taler, the leading german money for centuries, wich was silver based. the BIS was the tool of germany to balance their financials during war, a war also described as the best financed war in history. actually no debt burden was created out of that for germany. it was the first modern attempt of germany to create a currency bigger than their own economy. the Euro was the second. Posted by: rico rose | Jan 17 2020 11:45 utc | 103 @murgen23 Posted by: Harrison | Jan 17 2020 11:47 utc | 104 Re vk 66. Posted by: John | Jan 17 2020 12:19 utc | 105 it will be interesting to see how cnn deals with all the recent criticism, maybe by throwing warren under the bus, pretending they were deceived by her. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 17 2020 12:52 utc | 107 @ Posted by: Russ | Jan 17 2020 11:40 utc | 108 Posted by: vk | Jan 17 2020 12:54 utc | 108 @ murgen23 | Jan 17 2020 11:30 utc | 107 (your Reuters / did not have ) Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 13:04 utc | 109 If that’s true, then postmodernism is their ideological weapon of choice nowadays. Posted by: moon | Jan 17 2020 13:38 utc | 110 >Patriots are a scam. It’s more like extortion money Posted by: Trailer Trash | Jan 17 2020 13:50 utc | 111 US are in the habit of creating problems to be able to solve them …. US in the meantime is a mix of top of the first world and bottom of the third world. Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2020 14:02 utc | 112 @ Posted by: moon | Jan 17 2020 13:38 utc | 117 Posted by: vk | Jan 17 2020 14:05 utc | 113 Yes “Patriot” is pretty ineffective, especially when there’s terminal guidance of an object with radar cross section of those unfair Persian “payloads). (Walter can imagine ceramic radar absorbing friction material on nose…and assumes that this has been done. Is typical to underestimate opponent if they are seen as mud-peoples. Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 14:06 utc | 114 vk:115: Posted by: Ash Naz | Jan 17 2020 14:48 utc | 115 Posted by: vk | Jan 17 2020 12:54 utc | 115 Ash Naz 122 It is obvious the US is in serious economic trouble. But having the US/ZATO/IMF/BIS/Swift/World Bank system completely and suddenly collapse is bad for the entire world economy. I think Putin and Xi are trying to give the US/etc. as soft a landing as possible that still neuters the US$ as the sole reserve currency to the world. Bretton Woods is dead, but it will zombie-walk for a good while yet. Posted by: A P | Jan 17 2020 15:00 utc | 118 It’s so tedious when righties bang on about ‘cultural Marxism’, when what they are describing has nothing to do with Marxism at all. Posted by: Ash Naz | Jan 17 2020 15:02 utc | 119 The commies weigh in at WSWS with this gem> Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 15:23 utc | 120 @ Walter Posted by: DFC | Jan 17 2020 15:25 utc | 121 Montreal@96 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 17 2020 15:27 utc | 122 You have to look at the source and evaluate its credibility. by: S @ 27 <=Well not really, you have to get sufficient independent facts
to verify the story.. General Powell farted on the world with his WMDs deception. .yet no source could have been more creditable at the time. Source creditability is misleading.. often used as a rug to pull over the eyes of doubt, concern or out right disbelief. Could be the Mexican sleep with Epstein and learned it from one of his girls. The theory that a "swap of “codes” between Israel and Russia took place" <==stands until it is disproven.. produce some proof it did not take place.. if you cannot then the theory stands.. <= quality of the source does not prove/disprove a damn thing..
my question to all from an occasional reader is about the reputation of http://www.informationclearinghouse.info – I refer to 16 migueljose | Jan 16 2020 18:56 utc You will understand that in today’s environment the first defense line of people who do not like the message will be the question: isn’t that a further conspiracy theory? by: Hausmeister @ 29 <= I for one have found information clearing house. info to be very creditable.. at times they have climbed out on thin limbs but in each such instance they made it clear; the story may change as new facts appear ..
Pft @ 54 responds to S @ 37 says source being statfor does not make it true that the codes of any Russian or US piece of equipment are in Israeli hands " it true but without knowing who the military analyst (ex-cop) was working for and his access how can it be dismissed as BS. If it was disinfo planted by Stratfor for subsequent wiki leaks one would assume they could invent a source people might find more credible. And why would Jerusalem post write a story on it calling it obvious BS if thats what it was?"
Russ @ 95 describes the human trap as self destructive and says there is no way out, I believe the way out is to insist that all discourse adopt for its reporting format in null hypothesis form, then present the facts that prove the hypothesis wrong. failing such a proof the hypothesis stands as mostly likely the case.
Harrison @ 111 theorizes that "the defensive effectiveness of Patriot missiles is a scam" .. who can disprove that theory?
I think we often miss the point of a theory. It is formed from the array of ideas about how something came about..
Early on there was a theory =>“the Earth is flat..” This type of statement is called the null hypothesis, the researcher sets out to prove the hypothesis wrong. It took Columbus and thousands cartographers to prove the theory wrong. Posted by: snake | Jan 17 2020 15:35 utc | 123 So US usually lies, about the effectiveness of the Patriot anti-missiles system, about the destruction of enemy armored units, and now about their own casualties of the Iranian missile attacks on the air bases, the MIC is a propaganda machine that always lies Posted by: DFC | Jan 17 2020 15:35 utc | 124 Not following the narrative:
At age 99 he was compelled to speak out. Unfortunately, Justice will be denied. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 17 2020 15:43 utc | 125 @ DFC | Jan 17 2020 15:25 utc | 128 Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 16:22 utc | 126 As the news cycle moves on from one spreading Freedom and Democracy project to the next, then the next, then to another, those that dominated headlines only a short while ago tend to fall from limelight as is the case with Venezuela. If it weren’t for dedicated alt news outlets the facts surrounding recent incidents would receive little to no attention as happened recently when the US inserted interim President of a shadow gov’t was ousted from his position as head of Venezuela’s Opposition dominated National Assembly. Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 17 2020 16:55 utc | 127 @chu teh #41 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 17 2020 17:06 utc | 128 Rolling Stone, the Intercept and Caitlin Johnstone amongst many were extremely critical of the hit job CNN did on Bernie in last Tuesday’s debate. Posted by: Circe | Jan 17 2020 17:13 utc | 129 @Maximums #99 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 17 2020 17:13 utc | 130 Apologies for the misspelling of Maximus in the previous comment. Posted by: Cynica | Jan 17 2020 17:15 utc | 131 @ Walter Posted by: DFC | Jan 17 2020 17:44 utc | 132 @ DFC | Jan 17 2020 17:44 utc | 139 Those are well-thought out ideas worth reading several times. Thanks Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 18:24 utc | 133 I want to share another observation Hudson made in his “Democratizing Money” talk: Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 17 2020 18:26 utc | 134 PJB @ 98 Posted by: Montreal | Jan 17 2020 18:34 utc | 135 Many have asked about how banking, interest, debt, etc., treated in Islam. Here’s Hudson from the above linked discussion: Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 17 2020 18:54 utc | 136 @ Walter Posted by: DFC | Jan 17 2020 18:58 utc | 137 Walter @ 140 Posted by: Montreal | Jan 17 2020 19:00 utc | 138 snake@130 – Re: migueljose | Jan 16 2020 18:56 utc | 16 link to Russel Bentley’s Information Clearinghouse article Iranian Flight Crash Facts Not Adding Up, and opinion piece he originally published on FRN Fort Russ News as TEXAS: Iranian Flight Crash Facts Not Adding Up (His nickname/callsign is TEXAS). Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 17 2020 19:01 utc | 139 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 16 2020 20:25 utc | 29
USians are amazing. Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2020 19:14 utc | 140 Russ vk Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 17 2020 19:27 utc | 141 add to 147 Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2020 19:30 utc | 142 somebody@147 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 17 2020 19:42 utc | 143 Ps. Should have left the “as well” off the end of the first sentence. Otherwise my comment becomes misleading in itself. Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 17 2020 19:46 utc | 144 Peter AU1 148 Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2020 19:14 utc | 147 @ DFC | Jan 17 2020 18:58 utc | 144 I did not say they “mininukes” would solve anything, so we agree – they won’t. This does not change the imperial logic.Generally I agree. Their delusional perceptions project their own ideas onto their opponent’s. For example they assume Iran will surrender, because they themselves would. They indeed are not suicidal in the sense of intending suicide, but they are still suicidal because of their delusions. Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 20:23 utc | 147 Jon_in_AU | Jan 17 2020 19:42 utc | 150 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17 2020 20:47 utc | 148 Russ | Jan 17 2020 20:17 utc | 153 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17 2020 20:53 utc | 149 Hausmeister@155 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 17 2020 21:00 utc | 150 Marandi as I mentioned above speaks to the matter of the aircraft and much more. He says the radar transponder went off and that the Iranian radar showed several cm incoming. the mystery may be be a yankee ew spoof. (but I do not think he takes it that far. Interesting 12 minutes. Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 21:14 utc | 151 Hausmeister 156 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17 2020 20:47 utc | 155 Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2020 21:27 utc | 153 Walter | Jan 17 2020 21:14 utc | 158 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17 2020 21:28 utc | 154 After CNN and the pathological liar Warren did their best to make Sanders look good this week, he goes right back to sheep-dogging form, willingly playing a geek role in this typical Washington geek-show: I understand that 60% of world trade is now done without the dollar. If people stopped buying tires at Walmart, the value of those on shelves would go down. I gotta think this applies to dollar reserves. I’m very surprised that China/Russia haven’t come up with an alternative system for the sanctioned world to use, even if was just currency swaps and barter. Maybe China doesn’t want to wreck the dollar because they hold a Trillion $ in reserves. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 17 2020 21:41 utc | 156 Hausmeister | Jan 17 2020 21:28 utc | 161 (Texas) Posted by: Walter | Jan 17 2020 21:52 utc | 157 Walter | Jan 17 2020 21:52 utc | 164 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 17 2020 22:11 utc | 158 Hausmeister Posted by: Walter | Jan 18 2020 0:22 utc | 159 Jon_in_AU 157 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2020 4:11 utc | 160 Interesting read on Western interference in Persia/Iran by Peter Lang. Posted by: Tom | Jan 18 2020 6:15 utc | 161 Below is a ZH link to a story about the latest Boeing problems Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2020 6:19 utc | 162 Walter | Jan 18 2020 0:22 utc | 166 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 18 2020 6:48 utc | 163 From Patrick Armstrong’s SITREP January 16 2020. Bookmark for the next round of Russian athletes being accused of using drugs. A good and funny read. Posted by: Tom | Jan 18 2020 7:12 utc | 164 139DFC Posted by: willie | Jan 18 2020 12:52 utc | 165 @ willie | Jan 18 2020 12:52 utc | 165 Lavrov spoke about NATO build up on Western border of Russia see TASS 1-17-20 TASS Posted by: Walter | Jan 18 2020 13:52 utc | 166 I heard the US IS on decline while China is ascending… Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 15:01 utc | 167 denk…they did/do this disease routine on Cuba, they did it on the Red Indians, and they did it to Korea and Chine… If they’re doing it again, why, who wold be shocked? Posted by: Walter | Jan 18 2020 15:20 utc | 168 walter 168 Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 15:27 utc | 169 A book review at monthly review “Setting the Record Straight on the Korean War” Posted by: Walter | Jan 18 2020 15:37 utc | 170 MSM is in the business of advertising,not the job of informing as widely believed. Posted by: arby | Jan 18 2020 15:46 utc | 171 walter 170 Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 15:52 utc | 172 some of us are old enough to remember the domestic terror group Symbionese Liberation Army the FBI created back in the 70’s to scare people into accepting more restrictions to their freedoms. Looks like someone found that old script and have created a little group called The Base Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 18 2020 15:56 utc | 173 denk @167 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 18 2020 16:07 utc | 174 William Gruff 174 Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 16:18 utc | 175 Peter AU1@160 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 18 2020 16:46 utc | 176 2003…. Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 16:50 utc | 178 FFW 2010, Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 17:04 utc | 179 The CBS 60 minutes on Epstein (goog) was quite revealing. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 18 2020 17:07 utc | 180 if you are interested in reading something about the SLA that I referenced in my Jan 18 2020 15:56 utc | 173 Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 18 2020 17:16 utc | 181 Reposting a reply to Hausmeister (from the “How Trump Rebelled Against The Generals” thread), to a location more suitable: Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 18 2020 17:22 utc | 182 More fun with climate:
More specifically, many of the early and present worst case assumptions assume much higher average carbon emissions per person, worldwide, than actual history has shown
So even disregarding the discrepancy between actual temperatures and models – which is increasing, the panic-mongerers are over-egging the mix by doing things which McKittrick says:
Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2020 17:31 utc | 183 as Walter pointed out already, Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 17:32 utc | 184 To clarify… Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 17:36 utc | 185 And more on the one of the core assumptions behind model projections: ECS
Hansen, IPCC etc have stated ranges for ECS from 1.8 to 3.5 (Hansen) or 4.5 (IPCC). Posted by: c1ue | Jan 18 2020 17:37 utc | 186 Zionist shill, Alan Dershowitz, is part of Trump’s legal dream team for the Senate’s show impeachment trial. He claims he’s there to defend the Constitution, not Trump. Excuse me while I barf at the load of bull crap this shyster spinmeister is trying to pull out of his orifice. Posted by: Circe | Jan 18 2020 17:48 utc | 187 CIA MOTTO…. Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2020 17:48 utc | 188 denk. Considering that real actions betray actual unstated intent, one might be tempted to conjecture and speculation about whether the post-war treaties were ratified by fraudulent mean…the UN Charter, the NPT…all of them. One might be tempted to that legalistic view… Posted by: Walter | Jan 18 2020 18:40 utc | 189 Jon_in_AU Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2020 18:56 utc | 190 Peter AU1@190 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 18 2020 19:13 utc | 191 Jon_in_AU Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2020 19:24 utc | 192 Further to @190/191… Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 18 2020 19:28 utc | 193 For those in this forum who try to convince us and spread the US/UK propaganda on that the truth on the Spanish Civil War was that told by George Orwell, obvious anti-communist British agent, through his reports and books…
https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1217497150633934851 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 18 2020 19:58 utc | 194 @Posted by: Sasha | Jan 18 2020 19:58 utc | 194
https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1217498909053980674 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 18 2020 20:01 utc | 195 Jon_in_AU Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2020 20:07 utc | 196
https://twitter.com/arqueoleg/status/1217551811948830725 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 18 2020 20:11 utc | 197 A Tale of Two Envoys Posted by: Curtis | Jan 18 2020 21:21 utc | 198 I have previously said that there are arguments in favor of the idea of a showdown in April. A coordinated strategy to force Russian to heel from Ukraine to Syria to Western Europe… Posted by: Walter | Jan 18 2020 22:37 utc | 199 The Battle for Emilia-Romagna….
https://twitter.com/DaniVerdu/status/1218576184856006663 Posted by: Sasha | Jan 19 2020 1:13 utc | 200 |
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