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January 9, 2020
Open Thread 2020-02
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German Satire with English subtitles; Terrorism in the Middle East Posted by: somebody | Jan 9 2020 14:19 utc | 2 The long awaited report from John Durham will seem like an anti-climax Posted by: librul | Jan 9 2020 14:39 utc | 3 Trump’s flip from threatening to bomb Iran’s culture back to the stone age to mouse was profound. What are the chances that he knows something that the rest of us do not? Perhaps as in a repeat of 1988 when we shot down flight 655? Posted by: lefty665 | Jan 9 2020 14:46 utc | 4 Earlier this morning I did an AOL google search on “genesis” because I wanted a piece of information on the Biblical book. @somebody #2: Die Anstalt is a great show. Its unofficial translations into Russian are very popular in Russia. Posted by: S | Jan 9 2020 14:51 utc | 6 Bolivia’s interim administration has been working very aggressively to essentially criminalize MAS ahead of proposed elections scheduled for May. Posted by: jayc | Jan 9 2020 15:54 utc | 7 As I mentioned in the last post: “The Boeing 737-800 Ukrainian Airlines was most likely shot down by one of those fine shoulder launched missiles. The plane has no problem flying on one engine even on take-off. Most of these missiles are heat seeking, so they would hit the engine and start that fire that we saw in the video.” Posted by: meshpal | Jan 9 2020 16:11 utc | 8 IRGC generals are claiming, on video in Farsi, that several sorties of helicopters and airplanes were transferring something from Ayn al-Asad to Tel Aviv and Jordan immediately after the strikes. Posted by: A | Jan 9 2020 16:17 utc | 9 Iran has found a way to get on US’s nerves/financing without forcing them to go to war (they can still do that if they like to, but it is politically unlikely).
In other news they are doing the plane crash investigation the correct way.
Posted by: somebody | Jan 9 2020 16:18 utc | 10 Bolivia seems to be almost a carbon copy of the coup in Honduras. HOw much core strength to resist does MAS have? Posted by: paul | Jan 9 2020 16:34 utc | 11 @2+@6: The only show in German TV that i can still watch without feeling a mixture of rage, betrayel, and the need to vomit. I think they will not last long anymore though. MSM attacked them pretty fanatically when “Die Anstalt” educated their viewers about the NATO thinktank controlled “Journalists”. “All Nazis those left leaning satire performers” was the MSM narrative. 😉 Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr. | Jan 9 2020 16:47 utc | 12 So POTUS refused the rehearsed bait. Iran bombed some empty bases for public consumption. No escalation. All parties seem pleased with the calculus. The neat and tidiness of it all is too surreal for words. Posted by: FSD | Jan 9 2020 16:50 utc | 13 I’d like to think that this whole Iran/US tension has now subsided – but I’m not sure. Outside of the criminal casino of Wall St, the only correctly functioning part of the US economy (in terms of making money) is the military industrial complex (their shares shot up after the US assassination of Soleimani – capitalism, eh, you gotta love it…). Indeed on December 21st 2019, Trump approved a new defence budget for 2020 of $738 billion dollars…and when you spend that much money on weapons you just have to use them, don’t you? so that you can bill the taxpayer for shiny new replacements… I’ll put the news here in this comment following the order of the most relevant to the less relevant.
You don’t need to be Warren Buffet to know J&J and Microsoft are blue chips. The problem is: how much rotten are the triple B? Financial expertise has degenerated to who know which is the not-so-rotten-papers instead of knowing which are the most promising investments for the progress of humanity, free market etc. etc. Having a guy spying for you behind the scenes became more valuable than being a rocket engineer with a suma cum laude at MIT.
So, the Samsung’s profit took a nose dive and still this was good news?
People who are reading this blog for enough time know that India cooks the books, essentially doubling its own GDP growth figures. That means a 5% GDP growth in India actually means 2.5% (maybe even 2.0%).
Nice curiosity if you’re into that sociology stuff. Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2020 16:56 utc | 15 OK let’s cut it out with the rampaging acronyms and abbreviations already! Every tragedy is a propaganda opportunity. Why does anyone read US news anymore? Posted by: goldhoarder | Jan 9 2020 17:38 utc | 17 Posted by: goldhoarder | Jan 9 2020 17:38 utc | 17
Posted by: somebody | Jan 9 2020 17:46 utc | 18 I, for one, stopped reading any msm sources about current events, including those ludicrous and mentally instable ones like trump, pompeo and other leading mafia figures. They are 100% confirmed liars and at this point, anything that come out of their mouths is psy warfare. It is futile to try to deduce speakers intentions or which parts or lie are more “truthfull”. Posted by: Abe | Jan 9 2020 17:58 utc | 20 @ DontBelieveEitherPr. | Jan 9 2020 16:47 utc | 12 (Die Anstalt) Posted by: Walter | Jan 9 2020 18:09 utc | 21 According to a new article by the legendary Michael Hudson the American military agenda is always about the dollar’s supremacy as defacto reserve currency for the world in order to control the world. Which China, Russia, Syria, Venezuela, Bolivia, and others are/were trying to escape from. He writes: Posted by: Kali | Jan 9 2020 18:18 utc | 22 @Posted by: Abe | Jan 9 2020 17:58 utc | 20 Posted by: librul | Jan 9 2020 18:21 utc | 23 Gilad Atzmon: Posted by: Mao | Jan 9 2020 18:22 utc | 24 Putin hopped aboard the guided missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov and left Turkey to observe/participate in joint exercises involving the Black Sea and Northern Fleets which utilized some of its most modern weapons. So, there was quite a bit more “insurance” on hand when Putin visited Syria and Turkey than we knew of. Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2020 18:23 utc | 25 @Posted by: librul | Jan 9 2020 18:21 utc | 23 Posted by: Abe | Jan 9 2020 18:25 utc | 26 Posted by: somebody | Jan 9 2020 17:46 utc | 18 Posted by: Mao | Jan 9 2020 18:27 utc | 27 Eyewitnesses saw one engine on fire before the crash, the plane still on a glide, but the 737-800 can fly on one engine, others have done so and landed safely. Posted by: A P | Jan 9 2020 18:35 utc | 28 If US officials claim they are “confident”, that actually means they don’t have a shred of evidence. Intelligence lingo. Posted by: Symen Danziger | Jan 9 2020 18:36 utc | 29 Some folks here need to read better. The author said “For news & views not related to the recent U.S.-Iran conflict.” Posted by: Chris | Jan 9 2020 18:37 utc | 30 It has been a month now but, for my money, the defeat of the labour party in the UK remains a major international issue. It represents the final defeat of the sort of left social democracy that has been kept out of power since the last war, when it emerged as the most popular current in European politics. Posted by: bevin | Jan 9 2020 18:45 utc | 31 Some videos of the damaged made in Al Asad base are appearing from american soldiers in this base, it is scary to think if there were no Iranian advice before the attack Posted by: DFC | Jan 9 2020 18:50 utc | 32 –There historically has been extremely bad blood between the Bahai’is, whom Iran considers an outsider-driven political cult dedicated to overthrowing the government vaguely similar to the MEK, and the Iranian government, whom the Bahai’is (correctly) consider to be genocidal towards them, and they hate with a passion. Iran has offered to take out Haifa, a Bahai’i enclave in Israel, as a demonstration if further hostilities continue. So a logically possible alternative is that the jetliner was downed by a Bahai’i, perhaps with CIA backing. Posted by: Imagine | Jan 9 2020 18:51 utc | 33 This poll by Pew Research Center is very enlightening: Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2020 18:54 utc | 34 “So long as Israel exists none of us- of any race or religion- will be free.” bevin 31 Posted by: Phryne’s frock | Jan 9 2020 19:03 utc | 35 This year will mark the 4th “A.I. for Good” summit meeting at the (Geneva) United Nations. Given the current state of world affairs, where/how could A.I. be used to realistically bring the most good to the world? Posted by: Imagine | Jan 9 2020 19:04 utc | 36 Hi first time commentor on here. With all that is happening in the U.S right now I can’t help but think that it’s past time for the people to reassert their power over the National security state, as unrealistic as that might sound. The Anti war movement is ideologically divided between progressives and libertarian/paleoconservatives, so a political party would not likely be the answer. Instead perhaps we should consider a grassroots movement to amend the constitution to guarantee U.S neutrality in world affairs(banning both the arming or financing of foreign belligerents) and to ban the Federal government from having a standing military force except in times of actual war. I don’t know what chance either would have of actually being passed, but it might at least force a debate on these issues in a way that might resonate better with the average American. Just thought I’d throw that out there. Peace and Solidarity Posted by: HarryOrd | Jan 9 2020 19:06 utc | 37 @ librul | Jan 9 2020 18:21 utc | 23 Posted by: Walter | Jan 9 2020 19:14 utc | 38 @Kali #22 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 19:20 utc | 39 Cynica | Jan 9 2020 19:20 utc | 38 Posted by: Walter | Jan 9 2020 19:25 utc | 40 Finally, a report on the nefarious oil company spending against climate change: Guardian report
$3.6 billion for advertising in 3 decades = $120 million a year. Even if all of this spend was specifically for anti-climate change whatever, this is nothing compared to say, Greenpeace’s annual budget alone Greenpeace 2016 financial statement Note that the 80 million euro = $100M is just for the international Greenpeace org; the individual country orgs increase total budget by at least 60% more. Then there’s WWF, NRDC, EDF, UNEP, list goes on and on and on. Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 19:29 utc | 41
The people being polled must be brain dead or so deep in the fog of propaganda that they have lost touch with Reality. This huge injection (almost by force) of refugees into the EU by Merkel is going to keep Western Civilization on top ???? Those people are smoking LSD. Swedish culture is choking. Danes are waking up and attempting to resist. Germany is …. LOST. France … oh sacre bleu.
Poland is at the top !!!! Holy smokes. They sure have a lot of faith in the West that in 1939 basically left them alone. You can bet your bottom bippy that they will do it again. Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 19:34 utc | 42 @ Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 19:20 utc | 38 Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2020 19:35 utc | 43 HarryOrd | Jan 9 2020 19:06 utc | 36: Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 9 2020 19:36 utc | 44 @ Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2020 19:35 utc | 42 Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2020 19:40 utc | 45 @ vk | Jan 9 2020 19:35 utc | 42 Posted by: Walter | Jan 9 2020 19:43 utc | 46 Cynica @38– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2020 19:45 utc | 47 Walter @39– Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2020 19:55 utc | 48 @Cynica #38 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 19:58 utc | 49 Posted by: Walter | Jan 9 2020 19:43 utc | 45 Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 19:59 utc | 50 @Ian2 #43 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 20:00 utc | 51 Comments from someone on the Saker to the effect that the target of the missile strike were CIA, MOSSAD, M16 Agents or contractors not US soldiers. The dead/injured were flown to Tel Aviv. Also the Ukrainian plane leaving Tehran was carrying intel types of unknown origin . British (M16), Canadians (Canadian nationals have been shown to be CIA/Mossad agents , which would explain why it was brought down. It would also explain why this is being played down No pictures of grieving relatives unlike the plane downed over Ukraine. I don’t believe a civilian plane would have taken off so soon after the barrage of missiles were fired, and no one appears to be asking why it was allowed to fly. c1ue | Jan 9 2020 20:00 utc | 50: Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 9 2020 20:12 utc | 53 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 19:58 utc | 48 Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 20:13 utc | 54 Not sure what to make of this news exactly, but it seems the organ-grinders are getting into action again… Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 9 2020 20:13 utc | 55 @vk #42 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 20:16 utc | 56 @c1ue #49 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 20:25 utc | 57 i like pat langs comments from today… sounds like he would vote for tulsi if the dems were smart enough to offer tulsi.. Posted by: james | Jan 9 2020 20:28 utc | 58 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 20:16 utc | 56
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !!!! Business is Business.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/may/11b.htm Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 20:30 utc | 59 @Tom_LX #54 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 20:54 utc | 61 Australia bushfires note:
As always, there are people who won’t let any tragedy go to waste. Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 20:59 utc | 62 Pat Lang sees the light (finally).
Hey pl, you’ve been part of the problem. Welcome back to reality. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 9 2020 21:04 utc | 63 US keep murdering people, today a US drone strike kill 60 people in Afghanistan! Posted by: Zanon | Jan 9 2020 21:08 utc | 64 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2020 20:54 utc | 61 Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 21:09 utc | 65 @c1ue #61 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 21:10 utc | 66 @ Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 20:16 utc | 56 Just curious, but what do barflies think is the bigger cause for the empire’s beef with Iran: Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2020 21:14 utc | 68 @William Gruff #68 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 21:19 utc | 69 Let’s face it: Posted by: CarlD | Jan 9 2020 21:19 utc | 70 US Media HAS TO DOWNPLAY Al Assad bombing. Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 9 2020 21:24 utc | 71 Posted by: Cynica | Jan 9 2020 21:10 utc | 66 Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 21:25 utc | 72 @ Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2020 21:14 utc | 68 Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2020 21:47 utc | 73 I posted on the previous article about Bellingcat and his internet sleuths discovering a Tor guidance head at the scene of the crash. Tor = SAM with a movable fin guidance nosecone at the tip, and a warhead just behind it. That reply didn’t make it through for some reason. I think I mentioned The Atlantic Council. Something get filtered? Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 9 2020 22:08 utc | 74 Al Assad Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 9 2020 22:09 utc | 75 regarding Bolivia – the question is not exactly how resilient MAS is, but rather how more much filthy lucre is going to pour into the coup side from reptiles like con=gressmen Menendez and Cruz – and how much support the coup=istas can expect from neighboring Peru and Chile, aka the Lima Group, which tried to pull down Venezuela. Peru is in a bit of a tumult right now, and Chile is temporarily on its knees from the 80+ days of “manifestaciones” which, for example, nearly totally destroyed the Metro system, and resulted in the cancellation of important APEC meeting. Remember lithium. Chile has it and so does Bolivia. China and Russia had some negotiations going with both countries – a no no for the Evil Empire. (kudos to karlof1) surprise surprise. Posted by: Miss Lacy | Jan 9 2020 22:21 utc | 76 IRGC commander pinpoints US bases aroun Iran. Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 9 2020 22:22 utc | 77 Looks like the hated ZH web site is having fun with the latest News from the Ministry of Truth,
Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 22:23 utc | 78 William Gruff Posted by: Zanon | Jan 9 2020 22:32 utc | 79 Zanon | Jan 9 2020 19:50 utc | 19 Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 9 2020 22:36 utc | 80 @vk Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 9 2020 23:00 utc | 81 The kind of guy Trump then pardons…after killing all what he fins in his way…adter all i tis an Iraqi dog…. Posted by: Sasha | Jan 9 2020 23:05 utc | 82 vk@15 Posted by: Chris S | Jan 10 2020 0:07 utc | 83 @70 CarlD Posted by: Sad Canuck | Jan 10 2020 0:11 utc | 84 Below is a ZH link to a posting about Occupied Palestine attacking supposed Iranian forces on the border with Iraq and Syria today Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2020 1:59 utc | 85 I had a bigger picture thought while I was fixing dinner. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2020 2:22 utc | 86 @1 Posted by: m00n_cricket | Jan 10 2020 2:55 utc | 87 Below is a quote from the end of the latest posting at the Wall Street on Parade web site about a recent World Bank report. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2020 3:07 utc | 88 @ 63 jackrabbit.. you missed my post @ 58 where i said much the same thing! Posted by: james | Jan 10 2020 3:57 utc | 89 @vk Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 10 2020 4:05 utc | 90 Zarif from Iran was not able to come speak to the UN directly but his words were delivered by Iran’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations Majid Takht Ravanchi as detailed in the Xinhuanet story below: Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2020 4:19 utc | 91 WG @ 68 asked;”Just curious, but what do barflies think is the bigger cause for the empire’s beef with Iran:” Posted by: ben | Jan 10 2020 4:21 utc | 92 Another juicy bit of 737 max news for @b and @fellow barflies. Perhaps not as urgent as the other current news (middle east), but nonetheless another arrow into the heart of Boeing… More Very Incriminating Boeing Correspondence Posted by: retiredmecheng | Jan 10 2020 4:51 utc | 93 ben Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2020 6:42 utc | 95 https://www.rt.com/news/477870-terrorist-attack-base-niger/ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 10 2020 8:27 utc | 96 @ CarlD | Jan 9 2020 21:19 utc | 70 Posted by: Walter | Jan 10 2020 9:29 utc | 97 BBC can’t even get the basics of the story right: Posted by: Tony | Jan 10 2020 11:54 utc | 98 ben @ 92
Nah, Washington is still bitter about the occupation of the U.S. Embassy and the overthrow of the Shah. Yasha Levine has tweeted repeatedly about how Washington weaponizes immigrant against the countries they come from but it’s a two way street. Recent immigrants who are often people who wielded political power in their former countries know that the most reliable way to regain that power is to persuade Washington to back them. For example, many leading Nazis in Eastern Europe fled to the United States after their defeat but because they were anti-communist, they achieved positions of influence in Washington and with the collapse of the Soviet Union, they spread that influence back to Eastern Europe. Same with the former Yugoslavia. With the overthrow of the Shah, the same has happened with Iran. Washington has never accepted the result of the revolution and has always regarded the Islamic Republic as an interregnum until normal service is resumed with the monarchy. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 10 2020 12:55 utc | 99 As for all the crap coming out of the usual suspects, this is done in the full knowledge that the western Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 10 2020 12:56 utc | 100 |
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