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January 05, 2020

Iraqi Parliament Expels Foreign Militaries From Iraq

Updated throughout - 16:06 UTC

As predicted here, here and here:

The National @TheNationalUAE - 14:34 UTC · 5 Jan 2020
Iraqi Parliament has voted for ending the presence of foreign troops in Iraq, limiting arms to the Iraqi states and to lodge an official complaint against the US at the UN.

From the National report:

Parliament voted on a five-point action plan that would require the Iraqi government to end the presence of foreign troops in the country, and withdraw its request for assistance from the anti-ISIS global coalition. This would require new legislation to cancel the existing agreement.

Parliament also called on the government to ban the use of Iraqi airspace by any foreign power.

The Iraqi foreign minister has been directed to head to the UN to lodge an official complaint against the US strike.

The Iraqi Prime Minister and the whole cabinet supported the resolution.

Before the vote Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi told the parliament that he was scheduled to meet with Soleimani a day after his arrival to receive a letter from Iran to Iraq in response to a de-escalation offer Saudi Arabia had made. The U.S. assassinated Soleimani before the letter could be delivered by him. Abdul-Mahdi also said that Trump had asked him to mediate between the U.S. and Iran. Did he do that to trap Soleimani? It is no wonder then that Abdul-Mahdi is fuming.

The Prime Minister's letter to the General Secretary of the UN and the Secretary of the UNSC is here.

Foreign troops in Iraq included about 5,000 from the U.S. as well as a number of other NATO countries engaged in training Iraqi troops. There are also Turkish troops in north Iraq who fight against the PKK. Those will also have to leave but may not do so voluntarily.

Without any bases in Iraq the U.S. position in Syria will become untenable.

Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai - 14:40 UTC · Jan 5, 2020
#Iran #IRGC commander #QassemSoleimani managed to reach with his death what he couldn't reach when he was alive. That is his last spectacular act for Iran and for the "Axis of the Resistance": legislation forcing the US to withdraw and cease all kind of collaboration.

It is somehow ironic that the U.S. has spent lots of lives and money to "spread democracy" in Iraq only to be kicked out through an Iraqi  parliament vote.

There is a clear danger in this act. The Trump administration is now likely to see Iraq as completely in the Iranian camp. That never was and never will be true but that is how it will be seen. The U.S. may therefore again start to pay (with Saudi money?) Sunni extremists, i.e. ISIS, to change the current situation to its advantage.

That is one reason why I recommend to Iraq to invite Russia to train its army.

Posted by b on January 5, 2020 at 15:09 UTC | Permalink

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==Karlof1 @ 194
In China ATM. Leafing thru the over 300 TV Channels the spoken dialogue is restrained and moderate, as is the Chinese way. But the accompanying videos and animations depict graphic and unrestrained violence. Theres no way that the average viewer can mistake the fact that China is on the US hit list. And that China is prepared

Posted by: Davidknz | Jan 6 2020 6:42 utc | 201

karlof1 & #189

"Hudson suggests gutting Saudi Arabia as a way to impair the Evil Empire but notes it will take a much bigger effort to defeat it--and that sort of effort won't be quick or easy."

I was reading the open thread, when at #43 frances, who doesn't post often, but when he does they're well thought out and quite interesting takes on recent history. Because his posts exonerate Trump to a certain degree hate pours on him immediately from those so impassioned to do so. However, Haze at #106 linked to this article, by Sylvain LaForest at Oriental Times. His first two paragraphs are as follows;

"The timing is right for everyone to understand what Donald Trump is doing, and try to decrypt the ambiguity of how he is doing it. The controversial President has a much clearer agenda than anyone can imagine on both foreign policy and internal affairs, but since he has to stay in power or even stay alive to achieve his objectives, his strategy is so refined and subtle that next to no one can see it. His overall objective is so ambitious that he has to follow random elliptic courses to get from point A to point B, using patterns that throw people off on their comprehension of the man. That includes most independent journalists and so-called alternative analysts, as much as Western mainstream fake-news publishers and a large majority of the population.

About his strategy, I could make a quick and accurate analogy with medication: most pills are designed to cure a problem, but come with an array of secondary after-effects. Well, Trump is using medication solely for their after-effects, while the first intent of the pill is what’s keeping him in power and alive. By the end of this article, you’ll see that this metaphor applies for just about every decision, move or declaration he’s made. Once you understand what Trump is about, you’ll be able to appreciate the extraordinary presidency he’s conducting, like no predecessor ever came close to match."

The article goes on to state many pertinent facts, of which historically, i'm not nearly as knowledgeable as you, or many other commenters on here. Altho i'm of the belief Trump knew nothing of the General's assassination until after the fact. The article states things i have seen before, but i can't be sure their context is completely correct, but it would seem if the above article is correct, then the best thing the american people have for getting back their government and their country could well be Trump!?

Should you find time to read it and let me know it veracity, in your unbiased opinion, it would be greatly appreciated, or others as well?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 6 2020 6:42 utc | 202

Activist Potato @186: ... signs that they are afraid.

I think that they have reason to be. There was discussion in US media today about how flimsy the "intelligence" about Suleimani's planning of imminent attacks on US interests is. Someone wrote "razor thin". House Intel Chair Schiff said he wouldn't categorize it that way but that it was "lacking detail". LOL.

It really seems that Trump and his neocon mafia are trying to bulldoze us into a war with Iran before their lies are discovered.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 6:49 utc | 203

Continuing @203

The disarray and ineptitude that PavewayIV @190 highlights seems to confirm the hijacking of policy.

But I take issue with the notion that Trump was "baited into" killing Soleimani. I think it's the US military and Europeans that are horrified at the opening of pandora's box, not Trump-Jared-Netanyahu-Bolton-MbS.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 6:56 utc | 204

https://twitter.com/therealjdmjones/status/1213905582777884683?s=20

That's a lot of people that trump says hated Solomani... Its more people than who voted for trump to get to be the current CIT commander in Thief....

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Jan 6 2020 6:56 utc | 205


Michael Hudsons latest article is on unz is worth reading. He echoes what I mentioned a few days ago on Trumps (and his masters) thinking. Too many comments for me to wade through so if this has been mentioned my apologies.

Anyways, In his words “in early 2018, President Trump asked Iraq to reimburse America for the cost of “saving its democracy” by bombing the remainder of Saddam’s economy (This I didn’t realize) .

The reimbursement was to take the form of Iraqi Oil. More recently, in 2019, President Trump asked, why not simply grab Iraqi oil. The giant oil field has become the prize of the Bush-Cheney post 9-11 Oil War. “‘It was a very run-of-the-mill, low-key, meeting in general,” a source who was in the room told Axios.’ And then right at the end, Trump says something to the effect of, he gets a little smirk on his face and he says, ‘So what are we going to do about the oil?...... In the March meeting, the Iraqi prime minister replied, ‘What do you mean?’ according to the source in the room. And Trump’s like, ‘Well, we did a lot, we did a lot over there, we spent trillions over there, and a lot of people have been talking about the oil.’”.........


In late October, 2019, The New York Times reported that: “In recent days, Mr. Trump has settled on Syria’s oil reserves as a new rationale for appearing to reverse course and deploy hundreds of additional troops to the war-ravaged country. He has declared that the United States has “secured” oil fields in the country’s chaotic northeast and suggested that the seizure of the country’s main natural resource justifies America further extending its military presence there. ‘We have taken it and secured it,’ Mr. Trump said of Syria’s oil during remarks at the White House on Sunday, after announcing the killing of the Islamic State leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”...........


A CIA official reminded (a) journalist that taking Iraq’s oil was a Trump campaign pledge.That explains the invasion of Iraq for oil in 2003, and again this year, as President Trump has said: “Why don’t we simply take their oil?”........

It explains why U.S. neocons feared Suleimani’s plan to help Iraq assert control of its oil and withstand the terrorist attacks supported by U.S. and Saudi’s on Iraq. That is what made his assassination an immediate drive.”

So basically, there is no way the US is leaving Iraq. In fact, US numbers will escalate dramatically soon. Wont take much to get the feeble minded herd to support a third Iraq war , only this time they wont stop at Baghdad. As a neocon said over 10 years ago, boys stop at Baghdad, real men go on to Tehran. Both Bushes were boys and not entirely Israeli puppets. Trump will show Bibi he is a man and make his bosses proud.

Posted by: Pft | Jan 6 2020 7:06 utc | 206

- Patrick Cockburn:

"Iraq’s worst fears have come true – they are now at the centre of a proxy war between the US and Iran".

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iran-war-us-iraq-trump-general-qassem-soleimani-airstrike-a9269301.html

https://libertarianinstitute.org/scotthortonshow/1-3-20-patrick-cockburn-on-qassem-soleimani-and-americas-proxy-war-with-iran-in-iraq/

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 6 2020 7:08 utc | 207

@peter 192

The other reason Trump is after Iran is the need to try to intimidate Russia and China. Acting completely insane and even using nukes will be a seriously considered option because the alternative is unthinkable in DC.

Pave way, that is exactly how I see the DC "leadership" thinking and their actions all point in that direction, too.

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 6 2020 7:11 utc | 208

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 6 2020 2:26 utc | 174

"I refuse to be disempowered."

Altho I reject JR's Calvinist predestination version of conspiracy theory wherein literally everything that happens is exactly as was premeditated by the "deep state", nevertheless the only people who could feel disempowered by it are those who still retain religious faith in electoralism as any kind of way forward.


Posted by: Russ | Jan 6 2020 7:15 utc | 209

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 6 2020 6:42 utc | 202

However, Haze at #106 linked to this article, by Sylvain LaForest at Oriental Times. His first two paragraphs are as follows;

"The timing is right for everyone to understand what Donald Trump is doing, and try to decrypt the ambiguity of how he is doing it. The controversial President has a much clearer agenda than anyone can imagine on both foreign policy and internal affairs, but since he has to stay in power or even stay alive to achieve his objectives, his strategy is so refined and subtle that next to no one can see it. His overall objective is so ambitious that he has to follow random elliptic courses to get from point A to point B, using patterns that throw people off on their comprehension of the man..."

Is that supposed to be a parody of the 11-dimensionalist Obamabots, er sorry Trumpbots. It's often so hard to tell the difference.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 6 2020 7:20 utc | 210

@russ 210
No shit. Talk about flimsy delusional fantasies! Anyone who has listened to 5 minutes of Trump speaking should have no illusions about 3 D chess, or even checkers.

@206 agree, US won't leave willingly. Empires don't willingly retreat.

Gotta agree with JR @ 203/4

@205 Igor, Holy shit that's a lot of people. Hornets don't have shit on that crowd. Only a zionist would be so stupid...

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 6 2020 7:27 utc | 211

Pft

Trump has been saying 'grab the oil' since atleast 1980. Ian, Libya, Iraq and Syria. He has gabbed Syria's oil, and the way the Iraqi clowns are going, he will soon have Iraq's oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 6 2020 7:43 utc | 212

@ Russ #210

"Is that supposed to be a parody of the 11-dimensionalist Obamabots, er sorry Trumpbots. It's often so hard to tell the difference."

No, it appeared more as an insightful look at past events during Trump's presidency. However, the article brings up several facts that i'm not knowledgeable about with regards to recent history and was hoping some of the barflies here would be? The article is short and concise and if it's accurate could give a glimpse of hope in a very bleak world at the moment. Why not try reading his view, before disparaging it?

Neither do i know much about Oriental Times other than they have some other very prolific contributors.

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 6 2020 7:44 utc | 213

Posted by: Pft | Jan 6 2020 7:06 utc | 206

>>So basically, there is no way the US is leaving Iraq. In fact, US numbers will escalate dramatically soon. Wont take much to get the feeble minded herd to support a third Iraq war , only this time they wont stop at Baghdad.

You do not know what you are talking about and you do not have much knowledge of Iraq.

First, the US does not have the capacity for another occupation of Iraq. Too much debt. No space for another several trillions in debt, the country will start choking on debt. Second, the US needs to redeploy towards the Pacific, as China is rising. Its own military is constantly mentioning that. Not only that, but US military spending is capped to rise with inflation, and not with GDP, according to current law, this is accepted by the Trump Admin and both parties. This is important. It means that there is no money for new large scale operation and that US military spending will be the same in 2030 as in 2020. That is - the rest of the world will be catching up just as the US is staying at the same place (and will even decrease the fleet by 6 ships). All of this is caused due to too much debt. Not to mention that by 2025 - 2030 period the US will have to start additional large cuts, including in the military, due to too much debt.

As far as Iraq is concerned, you don't know much about it. The US already lost there. Its behind was kicked hard by the Shia millitias and the Mahdi Army. This time, the result will be even worse, due to the proliferetion in modern weapons technology caused by globalisation. The US will leave Iraq and there is powerful consensus in Iraqi elites about that. The red line of Iraq is that it does not want a US - Iranian conflict on its soil no matter what. This is a red line and will not be crossed no matter what. The Shia in Iraq do not agree with US war on Iran, even the protestors against government corruption are against it. (Whose chant is - US and Iran - Out).

But importantly, the most influential person in Iraq - Muqtada Al Sadr, the man who kicked the arse of the US occupation in Iraq in 2004 - 2007, is strongly against US presence. He has the biggest MP block in the Iraqi Parliament and a powerful Shia militia. He is an Iraqi nationalist and even though he is not a fan of Iran, he hates US bullying and imperial behavior with passion.

So the famous (and feared by the US) Mahdi Army is being reactivated by Muqtada Al Sadr. This is what his demands are:


1 Immediately break the cooperation agreement with the United States.
2 Close the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.
3 Close all U.S. military bases in Iraq.
4 Criminalize any cooperation with the United States.
5 To ensure the protection of Iraqi embassies.
6 Officially boycott American products.
7 Calling on local and foreign militia groups to unite.

So, as someone who followed the Iraq conflict closely since 2003 i can tell you with high confidence (90 %): There is no way the US stays in Iraq. It will not happen. There will be large scale popular resistance with modern weapons and support from Shia groups from all over the world, so this is not going to happen. No money for third Iraq war and extreme resistance is to be expected.

Posted by: Passer by | Jan 6 2020 7:51 utc | 214

@Sorghium #211

"No shit. Talk about flimsy delusional fantasies! Anyone who has listened to 5 minutes of Trump speaking should have no illusions about 3 D chess, or even checkers."

And yet he managed to get elected president of the us of effing a. How about you, any like accomplishments in your lifetime, or perhaps on your foreseeable horizon? The Demos have nothing, nor have they had anything since Kennedy, as the article above states the only presidents that showed any want to help the american people came from Jackson, Lincoln, Kennedy and perhaps Trump. And for sure to beat the deep state you're gonna have to play it dumb, if you wanna wake to see another day.

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 6 2020 7:56 utc | 215

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 6 2020 7:44 utc | 213

"Why not try reading his view, before disparaging it?"

I've already had over eleven years of that view and recognized it as idiotic from day one.

(Indeed much longer than that, though it made a quantum leap starting with the 2008-09 transition.)


Posted by: Russ | Jan 6 2020 8:03 utc | 216

karlof1@170

Thanks. Also appreciate the reference to the Iranian HOPE proposal that I had forgotten about.

I was also glad to see the recent Michael Hudson article at the Saker that supported my conclusion that ISIS is a tool of the US and Israel. I am afraid that if the Western powers are forced to leave Iraq the US will send in more head choppers to make the Iraqi people pay..

If the US goes nuclear on Iran at least you are living in one of the safest places in North America. In addition you have good restaurants such as the Green Salmon that my wife and I stop at when we come down from up North.

Best Wishes.

Posted by: krollchem | Jan 6 2020 8:26 utc | 217

absolute lunatics, ignoramuses, mental midgets and the morally depraved imbeciles are in control of the White House and US 'foreign policy' - Trump, pence and pompeo are the worst

Read some of this thread. Not only is it frightening, it is disheartening. Much concurs with what I've read in other sources. The gods have mercy on us all if this blows up like it appears it will will. (& if I were to be brave enough to look into my crystal ball I do believe this might eventually lead to the use of tactical nuclear weapons.)


https://twitter.com/rezamarashi/status/1214031169173348352

THREAD: Over the past few days, I've spoken extensively with career U.S. government officials as they've worked around the clock to try and mitigate the damage from Trump's ineptitude on Iran. With their permission, I'm sharing a small taste from our lengthy conversations.

"We have no functional national security decision-making process in place. We have no plan for what comes next. They are woefully unprepared for what's about to pop off, and they're too stupid to realize it. People here are freaking out, and rightfully so."

"All Trump cares about is shitting on Obama's legacy, sucking up to donors, and distracting from impeachment. None of this is about American interests or security. He's surrounded by ideological lunatic sycophants like Pence and Pompeo. But they're far from the only ones."

"I'm gonna call you later tonight to talk through this so I can go into meetings tomorrow armed with some sane talking points to insert into this clusterfuck."

"When did most of us find out about killing Soleimani? After it already happened. Since then, we've been trying to cobble together contingency planning on the fly, but these charlatans ignore most of it, and then Trump does more stupid shit that puts us back at square one."

"So many of Trump's top advisors on Iran are military vets who served multiple tours of duty in our wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. They believe to their core that Iran is the reason why they lost those wars, and they're dead set on payback - no matter what it takes."

"They've been pushing to kill Soleimani for years, and they finally baited Trump into it. They think war with Iran is long overdue, so for them, this was a means to an end. When Iran responds, they'll tell Trump to hit the Iranians harder. You see where this could go."...........


Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 6 2020 9:18 utc | 218

1. Please be aware that Oceania is the name of a region of our planet and shouldn't be used as a synonym for the US because it doesn't include the US. George Orwell's/Eric Blair's superstate named Oceania in his novel 1984 becomes too confusing when used in that manner.

2. I think we can safely assume that both the US and Iran have gotten several messages already from Russia and China, messages of the kind that aren't made public (and may not be included in any records or protocols)) because it would be counterproductive for everyone. This is part of what embassies are for.

3. Anyone know if Qatar have made their complaints against the US formal? It is claimed the US Reaper drone that was used in the assassination was launched from Qatar (and if that's true then that's a third country whose sovereignty the US has violated).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 6 2020 9:19 utc | 219

I can't seem to find where I read it first, it certainly wasn't this link to Arab News (London and dodgy) but it claims more technical and operational details (not to assume any of that holds water):

"They were hit by Hellfire R9X Ninja missiles launched by the MQ-9 Reaper drone sent from Al-Udeid military and air base in Qatar, UK media reported."
and
"The operation was planned by the US National Security Agency based on intelligence on Soleimani’s movements supplied by informants, electronic intercepts, reconnaissance aircraft, and the security forces of America’s regional allies."
and not much about the Qatari displeasure:
"As Qatar’s role in Soleimani’s death was revealed, Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani flew to Tehran for talks with President Hassan Rouhani and Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.

Sheikh Mohammed said the situation in the region was sensitive and concerning, and he called for a peaceful solution leading to de-escalation."

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 6 2020 10:28 utc | 220

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 6 2020 9:18 utc | 218

THREAD: Over the past few days, I've spoken extensively with career U.S. government officials as they've worked around the clock to try and mitigate the damage from Trump's ineptitude on Iran. With their permission, I'm sharing a small taste from our lengthy conversations.

"We have no functional national security decision-making process in place. We have no plan for what comes next. They are woefully unprepared for what's about to pop off, and they're too stupid to realize it. People here are freaking out, and rightfully so."

"All Trump cares about is shitting on Obama's legacy, sucking up to donors, and distracting from impeachment. None of this is about American interests or security. He's surrounded by ideological lunatic sycophants like Pence and Pompeo..."

Would those career U.S. government officials be the same Deep-Statists who have done all they can to destroy whatever was left of domestic political culture in the US, driving official Big Lie campaigns like Russiagate and culminating in the very impeachment farce they tellingly cite, and all of it against American interests and only for the sake of partisan squabbling?

They're certainly right about Trump's tactical derangement on the Mideast, but it's a derangement they fully share in ideological and strategic principle.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 6 2020 10:54 utc | 221

They attack and talk of de-escalation simultaneously.
Assassinating leaders while blockading but doesnt want war.
Its 4d chess but who's being played.

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 10:55 utc | 222

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 10:55 utc | 222

Obviously, we are.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 11:10 utc | 223

There is a real surge in hasbara comments in French News outlet le Figaro,i.e. praising Trump,depicting his victims as big terrorists,etc.Often those comments are oneliners,of a racist anti-muslim nature.Not many that point out that the general was most loved by the masses,and his troops,and main enemy of Isis.I'd say more than half of comments,reaching 95% on some articles.I do my best to give counter-information,but my comments are often refused.

Personally I have a problem accepting that Khamenei,Suleymani and al-Muhandis would fall in to the trap of taking the trump saoudi de-escalation proposal for anything other than a bad joke,few days after bombing the groups that were on the verge of a major anti-Isis attack.Indeed,maybe the iraqi prime minister fell for it,but what if it was him that went out welcoming Suleymani,which could have been an option?²

Anyway,no diplomat is safe from treacherous israeli/american actions in the future,and the world's countries should take action to move the United Nations,from New York,to a neutral country.

Posted by: willie | Jan 6 2020 11:21 utc | 224

Iran will have to take the war to the US at a time and place of their choosing, not Trump's. For Iran, war with US is inevitable, unless they are willing to take the loss of any Iranian that steps outside Iran plus the loss of various militia groups through the region which the Trump regime will target.
The best that can be hoped for from the Iraqi government, they will run off and tell daddy US has been naughty.
The militia's may knock off a few yanks, but they will be annihilated unless Iran takes the war to the US.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 6 2020 11:54 utc | 225

I would wish for Iran to shock everyone by only responding constructively - to extent that is possible. The west needs a war, draw them out.

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 12:00 utc | 226

Willie if it's any consolation I doubt most such comments are real people, the US simply doesn't have that many friends left on either the left or the right (neither zionists nor actual nazis belong in either group) and most normal people that actually have an opinion of their own gave up on MSM long ago in Europe. The media landscape is entirely manufactured.

You can find a few examples of their bots in the older recent threads: short, vapid, unconvincing, and meaningless drive-by comments that completely miss their target and show no understanding of their own context (ie.: this site) and which are made by complete unknowns.

- - - - -

I have found another news report but not the one I was looking for. Sadly Sputnik is as bad as everyone else when it comes to actual links to source material (annoying).

I have not yet found anything on their divergent claims (which might not be true or relevant as it could simply be outdated) about Iran talking about helicopters rather than a drone and I'm not sure I'll bother but I have found plenty on IRNA confirming that the Qatari foreign minister flew to Iran to hold private talks (here's one example).

I looked at Al Jazeera but it was entirely unhelpful even though they're supposed to have announced it as well.

Still interested in any solid confirmation of any Qatari involvement and outrage/displeasure against the US.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 6 2020 12:04 utc | 227

137 #
Sasha

Muchas gracias Sasha,for taking the trouble of translating the views of two spanish analysts.Are they on main stream media?
Myself I only speak dutch,french english and german,I can read arabic and farsi,but I don't understand what i'm reading,it's been too long.So I'm always happy when voices from other countries can be heard,or read.

Posted by: willie | Jan 6 2020 12:17 utc | 228

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 12:00 utc | 226

What did Hezbollah do last time they threatened Israel with retaliation for killing their members?

Everybody (Europe, Friends of Israel etc.) asked them not to retaliate (suddenly being able to talk to outlawed "terrorists"). Israeli soldiers were photographed leaving their border posts as they had become targets. Hezbollah targeted an Israeli military vehicle some miles away from the border and shot a video. Wounded guys on a stretcher were filmed being carried into a hospital were filmed by Israeli journalists. The hospital announced nobody died, the Israeli army said nobody died. When you see the video it is hard to see how anyone in the vehicle could have survived.

My guess is that Hezbollah shot the vehicle with fake ammunition. To give Israel a warning that they could if they wanted to.

To the best of my knowledge Hezbollah members have been safe after this.

Iran will not necessarily be constructive, but they will be creative. Nobody died in all the "Iranian" incidents leading up to this. That's why the death of the US instructor - we still don't know who he was - is so suspicious. What do we know about this incident?

Hezbollah "educated" the Israelis. Let's hope Iranians manage to "educate" the US.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 12:31 utc | 229

But it is too late.

Iran is already proclaiming it will proceed with unconstrained uranium enrichment - a act which is both pointless and counter productive. Plays right into neocon plans. The people of Iran should be furious with their small minded incompetent leaders. This is why Russia and China must stay clear.

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 12:32 utc | 230

Aren't there willing and able americans with drone knowledge that can start taking down government filth with precision bombing?It's allowed now,you know,it's become part of politics,and i'm glad in some way that finally this scum has become attainable,instead of innocent taxpayin civilians.

Posted by: willie | Jan 6 2020 12:49 utc | 231

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 12:32 utc | 230

I think Russia already said, they don't think it is a problem.

Mikhail Ulyanov ‏ @Amb_Ulyanov

US did it’s best in order to pull Iran out of the #JCPOA and finally achieved this goal. Tehran now faces no limitations in nuclear field(except for those established by NPT). Is that exactly what Washington wanted to achieve?

Mikhail Ulyanov
‏ @Amb_Ulyanov

2/2 However Iran confirms that its cooperation with the #IAEA “will continue as before”. That means that nuclear program will remain under strict int.verification, incl. on the basis of Additional Protocol. In terms of nuclear non-proliferation this is of paramount importance.

You really have to address the US (Trump) about being sensible. As long as Europeans play along, he will get the impression, what he is doing is working.

Europeans could have taken the sting out of sanctions a long time ago. If they had done that they might have influence on Iran now.

As I understand it Trump has been threatening Iran with a nuclear weapon. It is a lot of incentive to actually build one themselves.

The idea that this depends on a demented person easily manipulated should have everyone freaking out. The only person capable of saving the world presumably is Melania.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 13:46 utc | 232

I think there's a lot of nonsense being said, well mixed with some good.

A less-nonsensical essay "How Russia is reading the killing of Qasem Soleimaini"
Maxim A. Suchkov

al-monitor

Posted by: Walter | Jan 6 2020 14:09 utc | 233

Posted by: Walter | Jan 6 2020 14:09 utc | 234

Russia is doing wait and see. Iran is part of China's Belt and Road strategy. If they have given Iran defense garantees this has the potential to escalate fast - or rather not.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 14:35 utc | 234

Now Trump is basically admitting they killed Souleimani to get the weekend's conversation off Ukraine and impeachment

Donald J. Trump ‏ Congress & the President should not be wasting their time and energy on a continuation of the totally partisan Impeachment Hoax when we have so many important matters pending. 196 to ZERO was the Republican House vote, & we got 3 Dems. This was not what the Founders had in mind!

Yep. It is Monday.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 14:47 utc | 235

Comment 203 directs to an article about Trump by Sylvain Laforest in the 'Oriental Times'. The comment author, aye.myslef @me, writes: " if the above article is correct, then the best thing the american people have for getting back their government and their country could well be Trump!?"

I read the article and can say that everything it claims about Trump has no basis in reality whatsoever, least of all the claim that Trump is for 'the people' and that everything that he is doing, however outlandish and difficult for the ordinary mortal to comprehend, is geared towards the good of 'the people', and saving the world in general. No support is cited in the article for those claims, maybe because there isn't any. The entirety of Trump's presidential activity, every single act and fact, contradicts the main assertion in the article. The whole construction in the article is, actually, fantastical.

I tried to find out more about Sylvain Laforest and was not successful. I tried to find out more about Oriental Review and was equally unsuccessful.

Be ware of websites that lack transparency, give no names of people who started them, run them, fund them and are responsible for them. It lists a number of better known commentators, but some of them do not appear to have written anything for Oriental Review which has reposted their articles from other sites.

Perhaps it is worth repeating from time to time that articles, public statements and narratives, should be assessed based on their sources, reasoning and logic.

Posted by: JB | Jan 6 2020 15:02 utc | 236

Hudson in essay "America Escalates Its Democratic Oil War in the Near East"

He make a very credible case that this situation is right in line with policy established 50 years ago.. Think about the implication

"...The mainstream media are carefully sidestepping the method behind America’s seeming madness in assassinating Islamic Revolutionary Guard general Qassim Suleimani to start the New Year. The logic behind the assassination this was a long-standing application of U.S. global policy, not just a personality quirk of Donald Trump’s impulsive action. His assassination of Iranian military leader Suleimani was indeed a unilateral act of war in violation of international law, but it was a logical step in a long-standing U.S. strategy. It was explicitly authorized by the Senate in the funding bill for the Pentagon that it passed last year..."

Posted by: Walter | Jan 6 2020 15:10 utc | 237

238, yes, but this is disfunctional and - if it ever worked - does not work any longer.

Rudaw English - Kurdish media
‏@RudawEnglish

#BREAKING: Iraq’s Prime Minister Adil Abdul al-Mahdi receives China’s ambassador to Iraq, Zhang Tao conveyed Beijing’s readiness to provide military assistance.

From the Russian analysis you mention above

“This is a big mistake stemming out of a typical American habit of personalizing any problem. Saddam (Milosevic, Yanukovych, Gadhafi …) should be removed and things will settle down. But this is a logic of a show, not that of politics. It doesn’t work in the long run but may boomerang against the directors of the 'show,'” Kosachev concluded

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 15:18 utc | 238

jared 231

They do it because it is the only tool they have. Just watch the pathetic EU now whine about the broken nuclear deal that they were part in shaping.
Iran has no alternatives. Any military retaliation would met with even bigger attack by the US. Iran make use of the tools they have and its not many I am afraid.
Sure Iran could strike a military base with some soldiers, such attack wont ever equal the death of Soleimani. Everything will be too short in response.

Needles to say if Iran had nukes, this war on Iran that we have seen past years would never had occured. Watch koreans how respected they became in the US/west after their nuclear tests.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 6 2020 15:18 utc | 239

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 15:18 utc | 239

From the Russian analysis you mention above

“This is a big mistake stemming out of a typical American habit of personalizing any problem. Saddam (Milosevic, Yanukovych, Gadhafi …) should be removed and things will settle down. But this is a logic of a show, not that of politics. It doesn’t work in the long run but may boomerang against the directors of the 'show,'” Kosachev concluded


This Russian is over simplifying how he sees US actions. I strongly doubt that American Military is that stupid to think that eliminating one individual will cause the house to fall down. This tactics of personalizing is used because American Public will swallow that type of excuse. That is found in Hollywood movies and Cartoons and that is what the Public is raised on. In reality killing individuals is done to eliminate unwanted puppets, individuals who know too much and think are off the leash, sow chaos etc. ... take your pick.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 15:32 utc | 240

I hope President Trump does remove all U.S. Troops and equipment from Iraq. Then when Iran attacks them once again and heads start to roll, they should know better than to call on the U.S. for help.

Posted by: Bill | Jan 6 2020 15:43 utc | 241

Posted by: Bill | Jan 6 2020 15:43 utc | 242
Bill, you do realize who busted up that place ???? Iraq (multitude of tribes) was a secular, stable and progressive modern Arab State. No beheading and Jihadists. US gov. destroyed it to get at this,

https://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/iraqi-oilfields-and-exploration-blocks-1.jpg
https://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2019/05/15/the-battle-for-control-over-iraqs-oil/

Remember that guy called Cheney ?

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 15:58 utc | 242

“This is a big mistake stemming out of a typical American habit of personalizing any problem. Saddam (Milosevic, Yanukovych, Gadhafi …) should be removed and things will settle down. But this is a logic of a show, not that of politics. It doesn’t work in the long run but may boomerang against the directors of the 'show,'” Kosachev concluded
Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 15:18 utc | 239

It really goes beyond mistake. USA is the most powerful state, so military and foreign policies can be used for something else than mere conquest. USA can be unrestricted! USA can do anything, however fragrant or fetid. Giving people a bad name and annihilating them expresses that power. Of course, you can also resort to killing random people, and that is done, but there is no spice in it. Thus spectacular murders.

The most heart warming part of the aftermath are the worried or baffled faces of European vassals mumbling about de-escalation.

This is my psychological model of US elite. Trump is derided on style* by some, but as this NYT op-ed describes, "everybody" had a piece of that murderous fun.
*style: bombing cultural objects? what next? "I will take all pet hamsters of your daughters and fry them in oil alive"? Where this deranged idea came from? Is Trump original here? Normally, he is just copying stuff, deranged or not. I can recall only two examples of that idea in circulation. One consists of particularly deranged Zionists who would like to blow up the Noble Sanctuary. The second consists of Wahhabis and the like who are iconoclasts, oppose veneration of any objects or people other than the Almighty, thus destroying tombs etc. that are important for the Shia, Sufi etc. Destroying Shia tombs was one of the first thing Wahhabi did after conquering Mecca.

Killing Qassim Suleimani Was Illegal. And Predictable. This was the inevitable outcome of a dangerous ‘war on terror’ policy.
By Karen J. Greenberg (an expert on national security law)

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I lack knowledge to conceive psychological model of the EU/NATO vassals. Are they androids failing the Turing test? I was really impressed by the picture of Johnson, Macron and Markel who gathered with the purpose of mumbling together. Johnson was allegedly dragged from his richly deserved rest on Mustique, enjoying the the Caribbean sun and the girlfriend (and with a rather pasty face, hm).
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On the other hand, it is not necessarily true that Suleimani was a uniquely talented person. Military planning is a team effort, and in the case of Quds force, a rather large team. Suleimani was the face of that effort, blessed with good looks and personal relationship talent. He travelled to various dangerous places. The place and time of his martyrdom was unexpected, but he was definitely a designated hero, and a martyr if that will turned out to be. What I am trying to say is that the murder was not "a blow" to his cause.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 6 2020 16:20 utc | 243

What I also read early this morning was Solemani was hand carrying a letter from the Saudi king to the Iraqi PM in what I believe was the first sign of Saudi acceptance of Iran's HOPE proposal--a proposal the Zionists cannot afford to ever see implemented: Better to expand the existing turmoil than have any possibility of peace arise.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2020 2:04 utc | 171

Coming from you Karlof1 that is surely a typo, but several comments in this thread have already asserted Soleymani was carrying a message from the Saudi King to the Prime Minister of Iraq. That is obviously wrong. The Saudis have good relations with Iraq and no need to ask their bitter enemy to carry a letter to Iraq for them! No, the letter was a reply from Iran to a previous missive from the Saudis to Iran. Let's be clear about that.

Posted by: BM | Jan 6 2020 16:27 utc | 244

@244 Thank you for that PB. The mumbling from the EU is reaching a crescendo. I was also prompted to do some research on Boris Johnson's girlfriend....

https://ca.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2019072475674/who-is-boris-johnson-girlfriend-carrie-symonds/

(Please excuse the OT light relief)

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2020 16:45 utc | 246

@ 221 sunny runny burger and etc... thanks.. i haven't seen anything on the qatar angle, but will share if i do...

@ 237 JB... thanks... i was curious, but hadn't read it.. i appreciate you sharing that..

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2020 16:54 utc | 247

osted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 6 2020 6:42 utc | 202
OK, I'm going to bite.

The emotions that are invested in spitting on Trump IMHO truly do cloud people's view of this guy. Some of my observations on this are in my comment #113.

For me Trump is not the worst but he is an enigma. I don't play 4-D Chess and have zero experience in dealing with people of the sort that would be found in the White House or the Pentagon. I have met a psychopath once which was enough for my lifetime. So to decipher Trump for me is an impossible task as there are simply too many unknowns. However most people are convinced that there is enough info to know exactly who this character is. Well I think that is wrong because of some of the things that have been done to him and that he has done do not lend themselves to a binary answer, Yes or No.

The article starts off a bit to smug. I know what he is trying to do but that approach can rub people wrong. Stating that Trump is complicated would be the best way to start without the analogy of medicine. Bush was easy to decipher, idiot. Obama even easier, a vacuum cleaner salesman and a VERY GOOD ONE !!!

The author offers a task list of things that Trump needs to address if MAGA is to be a reality, Weeeelllllll now that is wishful thinking. One thing is certain, if Trump or any President tried to take on the System head on with that list they would not last in there long. Pope John Paul I took on the Vatican and in 33 days he was gone. JFK lasted longer. Do you recall "Client 9" ? See if you can find out why Eliot had to go down. It sure wasn't the $1000 call girl bill. So head on will not work if you are alone.

As he stepped in the political arena, Donald popularized the expression «fake news» to convince the American citizens, and the world population as well, that medias always lie to you. The expression has now become commonplace, but do you realize how deeply shocking is the fact that nearly everything you think you know is totally fake? Media lies don’t just cover history and politics, but they have shaped your false perception on topics like economy, food, climate, health, on everything.

Is that not True ? I don't recall Obama, Bush, Clinton hammering over and over and over that the US News Media are Liars. He did. I'm almost certain that that must have awakened quite a large percentage of the population. Big plus for him !!!

Central bankers and the US shadow government are still hanging on to their dying plan, because without a victory in Syria, there’s no enlarging Israel, thus ending the century-old fantasy of uniting the Middle East oil production in the hands of the New World Order.

Trump backed off even as Israel was pushing him to go all in. He fire off some old crap at a useless air based in Syria, had some boots on the ground and THEN BACKED OUT. If he was all for WW III then why not go hog wild and start it there. A lot easier than trying to get at Iran located in the mountains. Syria is on the door step of Israel. Nope, he backs out AND THEN comes back in to occupy a small oil field.
If you still believe that the «Commander in chief» is in charge, explain why every time Trump ordered to pull out of Syria and Afghanistan, more troops came in? As I’m writing this text, US and NATO troops pulled out of the Kurdish zones, went to Iraq, and came back with heavier equipment around the oil reserves of Syria.

I ask the same question: Is he calling all the shots ? I'll answer, NO.

Ok, this is getting way too long. My understanding of history and what he mentions are in sync. I think anyone that wants to better understand what is going would be well served exploring those topics. When doing that I would read what people say from the extreme poles on a given topic and not be fooled by such generic monikers as "Americans", "Russians", "Dutch", "Spanish" etc.. This especially important with the Russian Revolution in 1907 and on.

I think there is something to be learned in that article so I would not be so dismissive about it. Critical Thinking and awareness of Dunning–Kruger Effect should be in our toolbox of knowledge as we explore these complicated events.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 17:04 utc | 248

An addition to my comment #249 I transfer you a comment I left on Oriental Review of one thing Trump did that saved every American lots of money.
The Climate Change Campaign (scam) is the Globalists wet-dream that Trump backed out of !!!! If he's with them why back out ?
https://orientalreview.org/2019/11/15/about-trump/#comment-3085201

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 17:16 utc | 249

I ask the same question: Is he calling all the shots ? I'll answer, NO. Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 17:04 utc

POTUS selects his advisers. He calls as many shots as he wishes, barring outright mutiny. Who cares if he approves atrocities after the fact or plans them? Which of the two scenarios makes him more worthless as a human being?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 6 2020 17:22 utc | 250

@ Posted by: Zanon | Jan 6 2020 15:18 utc | 240

Of course Iran would be better off if they were to have nuke capability,
but the statement that they intend to proceed with development of nuke capability only serves to provoke -it is a Trumpian grade juvenile ejaculation of stupidity.

The "rational" response to which I feel sure is already on the table is: Nuke them before they develop such capability (it will only take a few small ones). That is a criminally ignorant remark - they should take whoever said it and hand him over, he is working for the opposition.

I am frustrated but much of what I see in comments around the few sights I frequent in effort to find credible information - I see a morbid interest in watch Iran self-destruct - to see bloodshed and suffering and destruction and then express indignation. It may still be in their power to stop this thing and that would be the greatest victory over their adversary.

I do not what to experience a Hiroshima or see the destruction of their great and ancient civilization.

The Iranians need to chart a different course and live to fight another day.

Or as Trump so eloquently tweeted: "try to be normal"

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 17:25 utc | 251

Just get them out already!

Iraq PM meet with US ambassador to Iraq
https://www.rt.com/news/477589-iraq-us-ambassador-open-war/

America have destroyed Iraq so many times but the moronic attitude in Iraq will get Iraq into more chaos due its appeasement towards the US.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 6 2020 17:37 utc | 252

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 6 2020 16:20 utc | 244

Lot's of it is US mafia style (what I know from cinema), might even be some Western in it (a man has got to do ...), it is show.

The "destroy the culture stuff", I guess is traditional army manual since the 'Baedecker' bombings of WW2. It is meant to demoralise.

It is psychological warfare. Trump et al have been losing it badly. He has managed to unite everyone with Iranian family by threatening the 'cultural' sites. There is now even a former Shah minister on record calling Souleimani a patriot comparing him to 'De Gaulle, Montgomery, MacArthur, and Eisenhower'
Funeral processions in Iraq and Iran have been 'huge', there is a 40 day mourning period and Velayati is threatening the US with 'another Vietnam' if they don't leave. All this is now an issue of Iranian national pride.
The MAGA crowd have been much too divisive to be able to produce something like that.

"Taking Souleimani out" worked as a catalyst to unite a large part of the Middle East to work for "getting the US out".

Trump is quite dispised in Europe. I guess policy was to wait for someone else getting elected. If the US want to go to war in the Middle East they will have to do it on their own. Boris Johnson may join, though I somehow doubt it.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 17:37 utc | 253

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 6 2020 17:22 utc | 251

POTUS selects his advisers.

Not as simple as you say.

The case of Steve Bannon showed that even with his advisors he did not have full control. He had to let him go because of opposition. Who ? Well I won't believe MSM on this one but certainly Trump got a message, "Bannon out".

JFK had Johnson as VP. I guy he hated and a guy that hated him. Did he have a choice ? Yes and No. Chose No and you will have problems in Congress. Chose Yes and you will have the snake inside the White House. Not easy.

Trump got rid of Bolton, his National Security Advisor. Why ? Bolton almost openly said he wants a War President. Trump had none of that. Bye bye.

Its been 3 years of none stop attacks on Trump. Was all that just theatrics ? If it was then that level of 6-D Chess we have absolutely zero chance of understanding.

Cheers

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 17:37 utc | 254

@ Posted by: Zanon | Jan 6 2020 17:37 utc | 253

Sorry, I am not meaning to track your comments.
But you raise a point which I think is key:

The U.S. will not leave Iraq under any (likely) circumstances - like Europe, Iraq is now one of the U.S. occupied territories and is seen as a necessary asset for the present time. They may (or may not) talk softly about this point but when it becomes necessary it will be made clear that the U.S. will not be leaving Iraq. People will die pursuing such an agenda, or they may become rich by playing along.

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 17:51 utc | 255

My computer wiped out my long, detailed comment with all its links before I could copy, not that anyone gives a shit.

Scott Ritter op/ed

Paul Craig Roberts assessment

Pepe Escobar's recap

New Global Times editorial

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2020 17:58 utc | 256

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 17:37 utc | 254

Talking about the "destroy the culture" stuff. It is very old actually going back to missionaries felling a holy oak and putting a cross in its place.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 18:06 utc | 257

Mr K, Breathe.

I am gunna read 'em.

We're all on the same outtacontrol train, man.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 6 2020 18:08 utc | 258

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2020 17:58 utc | 257

"My computer wiped out my long, detailed comment..."

What I do if I don't want to loose a post is type it into some basic editor such as Notepad and the copy/paste to browser.

Posted by: jared | Jan 6 2020 18:15 utc | 259

@258 "Talking about the "destroy the culture" stuff. It is very old actually going back to missionaries felling a holy oak and putting a cross in its place."

Older than that. Old Testament stuff I would say. The US army managed to reduce parts of Babylon to rubble and loot the museums in Baghdad.

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2020 18:25 utc | 260

This stuff is highly non pc. and real. duckduckgo "A Nazi Goes to Palestine'

Posted by: Walter | Jan 6 2020 18:27 utc | 261

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 18:06 utc | 258

"Talking about the "destroy the culture" stuff. It is very old actually going back to missionaries felling a holy oak and putting a cross in its place."

Exactly what I was thinking. As soon as Christianity got the upper hand in the Roman empire Christians began hacking down such ritual trees as the olive groves of Athena and the oak groves of Zeus.

This expression of Dominionism probably goes back much further. With the rise of the monotheist trend in Hebrew scripture comes frequent and fierce denunciation of the Ashera worship and the sacred trees associated with her rites. No doubt the Yahwists hacked down as many such trees as they could.

So it's not surprising that ecocidal and culturally genocidal Dominionism has been a constant thread thruout the history of Judeo-Christianity and its modern secular offshoots such as scientism, the "Progress" religion and Western imperialism.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 6 2020 18:32 utc | 262

Although he errs a few times, Hudson's overall analysis beats all being presented. I'm surprised to see big escalations in oil prices has ceased; although the trend is still higher, I expected to see $70+/bbl just now but it's $68.75/bbl.

In Libya, Sirte has fallen to LNA troops, GNA forces on retreat most everywhere.

At UNSC, China and Russia both veto resolution aimed at condemning Baghdad Embassy protest.

China to play bigger role:

"Iraqi PM Adel Abdul Mahdi spoke to Chinese ambassador today who told the PM #China is ready to provide Iraq with necessary military and logistical assistance

"Iraqi PM speaking to #US ambassador now: we must ready a plan for US withdrawal out of #Iraq."

Unexpected twist:

"Netanyahu said Israel had nothing to do with Gen. Soleimani assassination and it was all done by Trump, further adding Israel should stay out of any US-Iran confrontation."

Zarif's photo montage of funeral and tweet to Trump:

"Have you EVER seen such a sea of humanity in your life, @realdonaldtrump?

Do you still want to listen to the clowns advising you on our region?

And do you still imagine you can break the will of this great nation & its people?

End of malign US presence in West Asia has begun."

Zarif on JCPOA move, noting its legitimacy, something Merkel, Macron and Johnson don't seem to understand, which of course Trump certainly doesn't:

"As 5th & final REMEDIAL step under paragraph 36 of JCPOA, there will no longer be any restriction on number of centrifuges.

"This step is within JCPOA & all 5 steps are reversible upon EFFECTIVE implementation of reciprocal obligations."

Iran's full cooperation w/IAEA will continue

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2020 18:35 utc | 263

"USA would never leave Iraq" - if the resistance starts anew, how can they stay? Can trump send 100000 soldiers into Iraq again? And this time with much more aggressive Iran, thoroughly alienated Russia, somewhat alienated China and Turkey going its own way?

Posted by: Andrew Subbotin | Jan 6 2020 19:00 utc | 264

There have been a number of references in the media today ...

And yet you provide no links.

<> <> <> <>

See my comments @184, @185, and @195.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 6:18 utc | 198

++++++++
Jeez, you are asleep at the wheel, rabbit.
Or else, you don't read anything else that is out there except MoA. *Everyone* is writing about Mahdi's statement by Mahdi regarding the reason for S's visit.
But you will demand that someone check up on Mahdi's sources just to satisfy conceited little *you.*

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 6 2020 19:00 utc | 265

And now Chinese people show mock sympathy for Trump. The joys of globalization.

"Hu Xijin 胡锡进
‏@HuXijin_GT
The US fought an expensive war to overthrow Saddam's regime, but a democratic Iraq wants to expel US troops now. Iraq hasn't been changed by the US, more like been changed by Iran. Such a bad deal. President Trump has reason to be angry."

Posted by: somebody | Jan 6 2020 19:05 utc | 266

The funeral dwarfs that for JFK, MLK or RFK or any other world leader that's occurred in my lifetime! Khamenei imbeds 6.5 hour video of procession in tweet and comments:

"Bidding farewell to the pure body of the Iranian nation’s hero and the international figure of Resistance. You were assassinated by the most barbaric of mankind."

I cannot fault his assessment one bit and instead find myself in 100% agreement. Last night I merely echoed Paveway IV's words as I was too tired to write about my own feelings. It's been building for quite awhile, but now it's beyond all doubt that there's no longer any honor in being an American citizen or identifying in any way with the Evil Outlaw US Empire's federal government. I see the stars & stripes and what registers is a massive black Swastica imposed on a white disc within a field of red. For me, it's abundantly clear my enemies are all domestic and mostly reside 3K miles to the East, but they're not large in number--maybe 10K at most--nor are they solely within one political party. The heads of all BigLie Media I also include as Traitors deserving no trial or even a blindfold. Perhaps one factor inhibiting resistance is that both political parties--as the Duopoly--constitute a major part of the enemy within and people must arrive at the realization that its not just Trump, Pompeo and Pence, but also Pelosi, Obama and Clinton.

I see b has posted a new article. Time again to read and reflect.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2020 19:05 utc | 267

Really?? @266: demand that someone check up on Mahdi's sources

Not. Really. Accurate.

1) I asked for confirmation about Magnier's reporting. I provided my reasons for doing so including:

> Magnier's wild speculation that Trump offered Iran the life of a US General;

> My own inability AT THE TIME to find any reporting that didn't reference Magnier's reporting on the Iraqi PM's statement.

No one provide ANY helpful links. Instead my request was attacked.

2) I noted that PressTV's reporting lacked Iranian government sources.

PressTV reporting about the Iraqi PM statement confirmed Magnier's reporting. That's what I was looking for.

But I was surprised to find PressTV didn't provide additional information supporting Soleimani as a diplomatic envoy. They certainly have contacts in Iranian government.

<> <> <> <> <> <>

Given the apparent deficiency that I noted in PressTV reporting, why haven't I demanded that "someone check up on Mahdi's sources"? Because of the dog that hasn't barked: AFAIK, USA has not refuted Mahdi's claim of Soleimani acting in a diplomatic capacity.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 19:34 utc | 268

karlof1

Thanks for posting all of that info and links!

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 19:38 utc | 269

To those who have written kind words of support: THANKS!

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 19:40 utc | 270

lizard @1

Nice poem. Thanks for sharing that.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 6 2020 19:41 utc | 271

Thank you Karlof1 and others for many good and thought-provoking comments.

I notice Scott Ritter in the article already linked by Karlfof1 also repeats the Reaper drone version of events but still any original source for it remains hidden.

While by no means impossible it strikes me as slightly odd that the US would send a drone out of Qatar all the way up to Baghdad instead of using more locally available aircraft. Unless it was a helicopter at close range one wouldn't see the missile being launched so without anything specific it could have been anything launching the missiles.

Equally if there were any helicopters hanging around (and that's likely anyway with it being both Baghdad and an airport) it doesn't automatically mean they fired the missiles.

It might not be important at all but the Reaper claim could easily have been concocted to try to cause problems between Qatar and Iran, or simply be a spurious rumor for whatever reason.

A drone could just as easily have been used out of Israel or Djibouti (quite Afar to make a twinned bad Punt :P) or anywhere really.

Pointing out a lack of verifiable information. I'll give it a rest now.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 6 2020 19:50 utc | 272

Its been 3 years of none stop attacks on Trump. Was all that just theatrics ?

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 6 2020 17:37 utc | 255

I think it is critical to bear this fact in mind.
I don't think it is "scientific" to assume that Trump's current actions have *not* been influenced by the nonstop attacks.
In other words, we can only speculate but we sort of have to try to speculate as to where Trump, the USA, and its relationships with foreign governments would be now absent the nonstop hostility and undermining of Trump on every level that we have witnessed since 2016. Since before.

Even though it is impossible to prove a negative, it is intellectually dishonest to work off the premise that the ceaseless low attacks on Trump, Russiagate, impeachment charade, "dossier"-based attacks etc. have created no ripples whatsoever in his own predilections and choices, and we would be in the same place if the past three years had been "normal."

Trump's election stirred up *something* hate-filled and irrational in his adversaries that we still don't fully understand it but part of this perception of crazed hatred of Trump is called TDS. That something is also a catalyst of some kind and has had causal effects. The result has been very ugly for the whole country. And the whole world. Impossible, though, to quantify because, as Tom_LX says and as I opined on a previous thread, Trump is an enigma.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 6 2020 21:24 utc | 273

JR 268
"Really?? @266: "demand that someone check up on Mahdi's sources"

Not. Really. Accurate."


I was takin' the piss outta ya, man!


Posted by: Really?? | Jan 6 2020 21:26 utc | 274

whoever controls Trump, controls the world..
who ever controls who it is that controls Trump controls the propaganda.
who ever it is that controls the propaganda, owns the world.

Posted by: snake | Jan 6 2020 23:12 utc | 275

@ Russ #216

"I've already had over eleven years of that view and recognized it as idiotic from day one.

(Indeed much longer than that, though it made a quantum leap starting with the 2008-09 transition.)"

Thanks for your reply, but the only idiotic view i've viewed since the Kennedy bloody coup is true IDIOCY. I think any change in tactics is worth studying, until it isn't. So far Trump has acted like a total jerk to nearly everyone, domestically, or foreign. As the article above states Trump would have to do that to isolate the us of effing a. America has to be isolated to chase other nations away from our currency, thru threats and sanctions, so perhaps the Swift banking system could be given the boot, since it'd perhaps become mostly obsolete. (where is psychohistorian when one needs him?=)

If and pretty much only if american troops come home from the ME, then Trump's attained one of his campaign promises and a very big one at that, which would likely secure his reelection. Should that occur, then his second term could be quite telling which camp he's actually in. For me and what the demos have to offer that glimmer of hope would be the better bet. Also, when would be a better time for a sitting president to upset the apple cart then during the lame duck portion of his presidency?

@ JB # 236

"I tried to find out more about Sylvain Laforest and was not successful. I tried to find out more about Oriental Review and was equally unsuccessful."

Me neither JB and i had myself looking too. However, i never completely consider a site i've stumbled onto, to be nefarious until proven to be so, same with writers, they have to prove their dishonesty before i'll judge them as such.

@ Tom_LX # 248

"My understanding of history and what he mentions are in sync.

Thanks much Tom, that's mostly what i wished to ascertain. My eyes have been open for some time, but until discovering this site last summer they've begun to feel like Malcolm McDowell's in a Clockwork Orange. Pretty much only closed for sleep, now, but my history of Trump's early tenure is sketchy, so thank again for your input.


@ Tom_LX #249

"The Climate Change Campaign (scam) is the Globalists wet-dream that Trump backed out of !!!! If he's with them why back out ?"

Something else the article didn't bring up, but which Trump would have had to implement to obfuscate the MIC were his wishes to go back to the moon and a Mars mission too, even after NASA told him the moon wasn't achievable even by 2024. Also, his crazy Space Force, when they can't even send their astronauts to the international space station. Blusterous mis direction seems to be his style, both in his business and political dealings.

@Really?? # 273

"Impossible, though, to quantify because, as Tom_LX says and as I opined on a previous thread, Trump is an enigma."

That he is, plays his cards very close to his chest, but when gambling with the deep state is there any other way?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 7 2020 6:17 utc | 276

juiliania # 95

"I take the Iraqi Prime Minister at his word, and reassert the need for Trump and his administration to be impeached on treasonous grounds. Where that will lead in terms of the rest of the US government I cannot say but VP Pence is also impeachable here, so it is difficult to see who is least culpable in this."

It'd have to be the whole federal government. Every branch is culpable up to their eye sockets, actually they're drowning in culpability. Would you be able to stomach so many people being prosecuted and where does the buck finally stop?

"This cannot stand as official US government policy. It is heinous.

Wasn't it just as heinous when obammy was killing so many folks with his executive orders, or when hillary declared the Afghani children being killed there were collateral damage? The feds have time and time again committed all kinds of heinous acts thru out my lifetime and where have been the outrage then? We protested against the war in Viet Nam, but where are those protests now?

@ juiliania # 124

"Now, all bets are off. I don't know what is going to happen. I'm praying hard for peace and a return to normalcy. We haven't been normal this century - and Bill Clinton saw to that! That's when greed finally took the podium and shredded decency for good and all."

One thing i've learned from this site, juliania (great name, btw) is that normalcy was stolen from the american people at the end of wwII, according to our historian karlof01, which was before i was born. The greed that left the middle class wondering what happened wasn't noticeable for another thirty years, one bloody coup and more lies than even hitler ever told and their lies have only multiplied exponentially, since then.

I can't say for one iota that Trump's an american savior, or not, but he's enough of an outsider of the establishment that he should be given a chance to show whether he's owned by isreal, or not? He's certainly spending their money like there's no tomorrow, what better snub then to screw them during his 'lame duck' term?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 7 2020 7:19 utc | 277

the greed was noticeable long before ww2, it was noticeable when the business plotters tried to hire smedley butler to overthrow fdr, it was noticeable when john d rockefeller hired thugs to gun down strking miners and then helped created the modern public relations industry to rehab his image, it was noticeable when some great fortunes were made selling shoddy equipment during the civil war, the original inhabitants of this country noticed it when their land and way of life was stolen. the 1950's were the heyday of the middle class, and how much of that was due to capitalism efficiently extracting value from the rest of the world when the u.s. set things up to its liking and ww2 had devastated the competition. now the u.s. middle class is getting the extraction treatment, and not liking it much more than rubber tappers in the belgian congo or slaves in the u.s.; though it starts from a much better position, i don't think that's how it ends up.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2020 9:48 utc | 278

Trump is not an enigma, he is just a continuation of imperial strategy in the region. He is maybe somewhat more brazen but that's it. US strategy in the ME is as always about petro-dollar hegemony. Iran is the next victim because it threatens it. Iran is also financially independent which is another thorn in the eyes of the bankers. Also lets not forget that in bombing Iran's petro infrastructure the US can severely hurt China's energy security.

Posted by: D. | Jan 7 2020 9:54 utc | 279

#224 willie | Jan 6 2020 11:21

I also found an extreme surge in hasbara comments on German outlets (Germany, Switzerland, Austria) parroting Israeli hardliner positions. Likely an Iraeli/US psyops.

Posted by: D. | Jan 7 2020 10:01 utc | 280

"Also lets not forget that in bombing Iran's petro infrastructure the US can severely hurt China's energy security."

Posted by: D. | Jan 7 2020 9:54 utc | 279

Gee and when Iran destroys all the rest of the oil in the middle east, what then? america's fracking industry expected to kick it into high gear?
Won't matter, D., wwIII won't last long for many and for the weapons that'd be likely unleashed who'd want to survive it?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jan 7 2020 10:29 utc | 281

Trump administration drafting post-pullout sanctions against Iraq: Report
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/07/615557/Trump-administration-drafting-possible-sanctions-against-Iraq

Perhaps better if Iraq is in two, a shia state and a sunni state where the sunnis could party with the americans, israelis, saudis they so are in loved with.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 7 2020 13:34 utc | 282

willie, D

Yes comments are pro-war and hawkish and pro-US/Israel, while there are millions of dumb people supporting this, there is obvious a propaganda campaign going on in the west trying to push the view that Trump was right and legal with the use of thousands of bots.
Israel and US are obviously behind this. Quite disturbing.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 7 2020 13:40 utc | 283

willie @280

"I also found an extreme surge in hasbara "

They must have a couple of Divisions of them, they have been swarming sites everywhere spreading propaganda, lurking and reporting comments, especially comments calling out trump for the piece of human garbage he is and them. They don't like being called out for their 'work'.

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 7 2020 14:46 utc | 284

Aye @277

" he should be given a chance to show whether he's owned by isreal, or not? "

You still have doubt? Does he have to fund a 'Re education camp' for Palestinians to convince you?

Posted by: Bubbles | Jan 7 2020 14:56 utc | 285

279,282 D.Zanon,,
Sunny Runny Burger may be right that most of those are robo-generated comments.But I find it really appalling,the quantity of comments pushing for a nuclear attack on Iran,vilfying Suleymani'legacy,portraying Iranian people,or other middle easterners as bloodlusty dumbheads.Etcetera.And those comments keep on coming,drowning informative countering absolutely.The news outlets let pass the racist commentaries,as long as they are ,anti-russian,arabic,muslim,chinese and african.One is not entitled to tell the truth on Israel,or jewish influnce on parliament and media.In France there are over 60 members of parliament with double nationality.This should be banned.
All this is to make the people that still have a conscience,a soul,and empathy for the suffering,think its useless,and that they should discard their apprehensions.Its Jewish Hollywood that perverts eeerybody,and it started a long while ago.Deliberately.

Posted by: willie | Jan 7 2020 17:49 utc | 286

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