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January 31, 2020

Happy BREXIT Day - Now For The Hard Part

Tonight Great Britain will leave the European Union.

Then comes the hard part.

Britain has until the end of this year to make a new trade deal with Europe, with the U.S., and with other countries.

But it does not have much negotiation power. Nearly 50% of Britain's exports go to the EU where 27 national parliaments will have to sign off any new deal. No deal means that Britain would lose a big chunk of that trade. In the U.S. Congress must also agree to a new trade deal with Britain. Lots of lobbyists will ask for open access to Britain's markets.

Those deals will make Brexit much less favorable than envisioned. One often heard argument for Brexit was that Great Britain would regain exclusive fishing rights within its economic zone. But some EU countries will likely ask for additional fishing rights in British waters in exchange for something Britain urgently needs.

The U.S. will want access to the British markets for its agricultural and healthcare industries. That will conflict with Britain's own farmers, food regulations and its much liked National Health Service.

Britain will have to negotiate two very large and complicated deals under severe time pressure. The EU might offer to extend the deadline under some conditions but Boris Johnson has promised not to ask for it. Comprehensive trade deals normally take several years to make. Negotiations about access for Britain's financial service industry to the EU market will be extremely complicated.

There was a time where Britain ruled the seas and where headlines like "Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off" were not only funny but somewhat justified. But neither is still the case.

It is Britain that needs the deals not the other countries. The choices the Tory government will make throughout the negotiations are unlikely to be in favor of the average British citizen.

The economic damage all this will cause will not be felt at once but will most likely creep in through no or low growth, increased unemployment and higher prices.

There are also the national issues. Northern Ireland will economically be integrated with Ireland and may over time consider leaving Great Britain. The Scottish people had preferred to stay within the EU. They may again try to secede.

Five to ten years from now Great Britain will likely be much less great than it is today.

The EU can do well without Britain. The country was never really committed to the union and often played a negative role.

But the EU will also need to change its urge to centralize and regulate everything. If it continues on its path other countries may want to follow the British example despite the damage it will cause to them.

Posted by b on January 31, 2020 at 18:19 UTC | Permalink

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To Nemesiscalling 98:

The way most Canadians define themselves and our country is in NOT being like the US in the most important ways. The decline into US-vassalage has been incrementally implemented since WW2, but there is still hope. Scheer and Ignatief found out exactly what Canadians thought about having a dual Cdn/US citizen PM... NOT HAPPENING. Harper found out trying to US-ify Canada was a bad idea.

The Cdn-US cultural border has been basically open for decades, the effectiveness of CRTC Cdn-content rules have been diluted to the point of irrelevance. But still we Canucks prefer little things like our free medical and minimal military bloat to the US shit-show.

But highly unlikely Canada will return to the "preferred trading status" the Commonwealth enforced. NAFTA Part Deux pretty much blocks that.

So Britain could easily be maneuvered into a similar vassal state situation with the US as Canada, but what will Britain bring to the table the US military/corporatocracy would want? No natural resources to speak of, so what is on offer? A handy military lily-pad perhaps, but the US already has that, and can't see Britain booting the US military off the island.

Britain is in a VERY weak bargaining position with the US, if anything weaker as it closes one avenue of access/influence the US has within the EU.


Posted by: A P | Feb 1 2020 15:35 utc | 101

@102 a user

Britain has already been a de facto vassal state when it comes to aligning itself with every empire FP misadventure abroad for 30 years.

I do not think the U.S. will give the U.K. a bad deal. I think this is the hope of many here who foolishly advocate for the EU, which is really a byproduct of their unconscious from their academia templates they wish to lay down over the world a la a good technocrat.

They will get along swimmingly. The U.S. is looking for better deals as opposed to getting raped by China under the globalist paradigm.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 15:55 utc | 102

Off topic, but important - from Craig Murray

Through a separate FOIA request, emails that reference Seth Rich were exposed.

The FBI claimed it had no such emails and has been lying in court.


"The FBI Has Been Lying About Seth Rich"

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/the-fbi-has-been-lying-about-seth-rich/

Posted by: daffyDuct | Feb 1 2020 16:08 utc | 103

In case it gets hard for the UK economically after Brexit, the City of London will ask for Johnson´s head, who will not hesitate, as Eton privileged class, selling what of welfare still remains there, especially what Trump will for sure demand, the NHS, to try to save face...

They will not low Johnson or his successor´s wage, nor will renounce to their billionaire earnings, it will be he working class who will lose, as always happens. Then, probably a new labor movement will arise...but after having payed such a price....

The best and most realistic analysis, from satire group ICYMI member (v this time notice his graveness...)

Gloating Brexiteers happier about beating smug Remoaners than leaving EU

Much more realistic than the delusional vision by Galloway, since to reach his dreamt utopic state of affairs through this way, working people in the UK will first have to suffer a lot, even a confrontation amongst ecah other, which is the "ultra-right" agenda, chaos from which they reap...

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 1 2020 16:25 utc | 104

In other news, the Houthis have imposed a massive defeat on the Saudis at Marib - 3500 Saudi forces killed, wounded or captured, along with 400 trophies. It is bigger than the earlier massive defeat at Najran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW1cRRtH9Vc

or for those that don't want to log in:

https://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=lW1cRRtH9Vc

Posted by: Yonatan | Feb 1 2020 16:29 utc | 105

@103 addendum

A P, sorry for not addressing you correctly.

Come to think of it, the only reason I can see people here advocating for the EU's continued existence is that it would benefit China in that China would take over as the single largest trading partner with the EU megastate.

Essentially, the eastern shills in here want a bigger piece of the pie for China, not understanding that you can not simultaneosy advocate for an end of empire and yet applaud China's ongoing ambitions to usurp the U.S.'s role as chief-monopolist. Either they do not understand that, or they are indeed existing here with nefarious intent as a plant.

The West should stay the West and the east should still the east. How they do this is by first dissolving the EU and second by reaffirming western values as opposed to eastern ones. If they do this, it will not be hard to see as a westerner who they SHOULD do business with and who they SHOULD curtail their trading relationship with.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 16:30 utc | 106

I'll make my prediction here based on the evidence I see: almost nothing will change with Brexit.

Brexit, in my opinion, is a symptom of an underlying cause, but not the cause itself.

Europe was already declining after 2008. Brexit is one of the many consequences of this decline.

Whatever important that will happen in Europe will not be decided in Europe, but in the USA, in Russia and in China. Europe is periphery now.

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@ Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 16:30 utc | 107

I bet you're European (probably British, but not necessarily). The last paragraph or your comment perfectly encapsulates the dellusion of late Atlanticism (i.e. some kind of rapture that will fuse the USA with Europe; the prodigal son that comes back to home. A new, anarcho-capitalist Western Civilization would emerge from the North Atlantic, in a new "clash of civilizations" against the horde of souless "yellows" from the East).

Posted by: vk | Feb 1 2020 16:55 utc | 107

What you extract from my postings is your bias and delusions made manifest.

I have never written anything ever which seeks to value one culture over the other.

You make the mistake as a Trotskyist for not recognizing individuals existing in a particular place in time and in a particular society.

In a sense, you discount the notion of identity and individuality entirely.

But I digress. I have never spoken ill of easterners. Once again, vk, your interpretation speaks volumes about your hidden inadequacies and guilt. It is similar to the plague of identity politics in this country where Browns are looking for their cut as self-described victims.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 1 2020 17:06 utc | 108

@ 108 vk - nemesis calling is american.. ''the west should stay west'', lol... does that sounds like a european talking? i think one perspective that nemesis calling is missing is the connection of countries to one another due their being on the same continent, much like canada and mexico are are the same continent as the usa.. there is a reason for some synergy between countries on the same continent as i see it.. and as i understand this russia is much closer to europe then the usa is, but the uk has always had an undue attachment to the usa - passing on the imperialistic torch i guess minue the royalty...

Posted by: james | Feb 1 2020 17:08 utc | 109

and of course the uk is an island which always has a special type of independence built into it from a physical point of view too.. islands are unique..

Posted by: james | Feb 1 2020 17:10 utc | 110

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No surprise at all naysaying Brexit, on this site.

Britain just untied its hands from Big Mommy and Big Daddy.

Never should have joined up into that Globalist Crap enterprise.

Good for Britain.

Let the rest of them suck .
Europe is soon going down anyway. Maybe Britain will survive now.

Posted by: Joey | Feb 1 2020 4:31 utc | 75
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MEANWHILE....

French aircraft carrier steaming past Lybia, island of Crete and Cyprus has a great view of all 3 British bases in Cyprus.... Where are the British aircraft carriers? Ha ha ha!

Lets give the bases to French, Germans and they can invite in Russia and China.

What comes after Brexit? BootBritain of course!

Ha ha ha!

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 1 2020 17:20 utc | 111

I perfectly understand why Westerners still love capitalism (and will continue to do so for the forseeable future): capitalism represents (and will forever represent) the first and only time in human history the so-called western culture became universal and the center of humanity. In fact, I would be surprised if the opposite case was true.

The clash of civilizations doctrine makes sense both to Americans and Europeans, but in different ways.

For the Americans, it creates a legitimizing narrative for the masses to draw capitalist Russia to its sphere of influence, divide Eurasia again and then essentially kill two birds with one stone: the destruction of China and socialism.

For the Europeans, it creates a narrative where Europe, somehow, reborns from the ashes and make a spectacular comeback to the center stage of the imperialist game. That is the case because it fantasizes about some kind of western culture solidarity where the USA, by magic, begins to treat Europe as equals, and not as vassals (because they have "the same culture"). The USA then self-dissolves in order for a "Westernia" to rise in the North Atlantic, with a foothold in the Pacific thanks to Australia. Socialism in the form of Western European welfare state will be allowed to exist because what matters is not capitalism vs socialism, but western culture vs eastern culture. USA and Western Europe then make amends, and fuse together in a Western Paradise (Eden).

I must say, this is a very inventive - even ingenious doctrine. Shame the Europeans waste their creativity with such useless garbage.

P.S.: nobody was complaining on "being raped" when it was the First World countries benefitting from globalization during the "golden age of capitalism" (post-war miracle). The narrative was completely different: the Third World was the uncivilized and corrupt monkeys, who were being blessed by the charity of the First World, and should be forever thankful for that. It's not funny when you're on the receiving end, it seems.

Posted by: vk | Feb 1 2020 17:27 utc | 112

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No wonder banker boy Macron has been nice to Vlad lately, time to go east. Sorry Lead Zeppelin, gravity is finally working as it should.

Posted by: Paco | Feb 1 2020 7:36 utc | 84
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Hee hee hee! ;)

Posted by: Qparticle | Feb 1 2020 17:27 utc | 113

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The West should stay the West and the east should still the east. How they do this is by first dissolving the EU and second by reaffirming western values as opposed to eastern ones. If they do this, it will not be hard to see as a westerner who they SHOULD do business with and who they SHOULD curtail their trading relationship with.
Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 16:30 utc | 107

Hey! Thanks for making my hair stand on end, NemesisCalling. I'd forgotten how it feels...

The racist-supremacist pseudo-Christian, mass-murdering & looting West needs to get its own hypocritical house in order if it wants to be taken seriously. Western Values are about as mendaciously un-Christian as its possible to get. The (agnostic) Chinese seem a thousand times more "Christian" than the West's vultures and vampires.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 1 2020 17:47 utc | 114

vk - still up to your same ol same ol nonsense.

Far from wanting to "destroy China and its socialism" the US multinational corporation and investor class is so deeply embedded (in fact some may say created) Chinese global capitalism that they wish China nothing but ongoing successful growth.

And of course, your use of "socialism" for China is only belied by....reality. China is a state controlled capitalist/imperialist economy that calls itself "socialist" in Orwellian terms so the "communist" party which still rules can gather some continuity from its founding Maoist forefathers from whom it severed ties philosophically, financially and economically long ago in thrall to Nixon and Kissinger, who are the true founding fathers of the Chinese reactionary empire.

Today's China has a bourgeois ruling class characterisised by deep wealth and income gaps between the urban/rural, educated/non-educated, high tech/low tech, that is also evident in the US. The Belt and Road Initiative is nice term covering for what it truly is.....imperialist/globalist investment.

NemesisCalling - "Browns are looking for their cut as self described victims." LMAO. Srsly? You got any uhhh data to back up this racist claim of yours that would fit well into the KKK/John Bircher creed of the 1950-60s?

Seems to me this statement is a form of internet projection....it is actually the white Trumpers and the Orange Fuerher himself who like to whine and portray themselves as victims of the "brown menace".

Shame on you Honkie.

Posted by: donkeytale | Feb 1 2020 17:52 utc | 115

@115 hoarse whisper

Don't be foolish, but please feel free to clutch pearls, what do I care.

There is nothing in my post remotely racist, and wrt the West FP, I have always been a critic and have always contended that these misadventures hurt the average westerner while enriching the globalist class.

But you mistakingly conflate the two and heap blame upon those that have been genuinely hurt by globalism in the West. Us "Amerikkkans." Please.

And, yes, Christianity (Greek and Latin) have always been at the vanguard of western culture and advancement wrt the plight of the oppressed. It has its down days, and the Roman church is especially hurting right now with its globalist and crypto-marxist infiltration, but the Greek and eastern church seems to be enjoying a Renaissance and for the best, I say. Good for them.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 18:16 utc | 116

I take it as axiomatic that in the main, nothing happens in western politics unless it is cleared by the owners - so for some reason they wanted UK to split from EU.

That leads me to wonder why this would be so.

My initial inclination would be that
EU is too powerful and some signs of independant thinking.
Technocrats are truly rules based and the rules are not always easily changed to suit the thinking of the day.
The technocratis are not so easily manipulated as les miserables.

I think it works.

Posted by: jared | Feb 1 2020 18:23 utc | 117

@116 donkey

Hi!

No I have no stats to back it up, only the mass media attempt to divide this country into racial subgroups and further stall any effort to come back to reaffirming any kind of patriotism and togetherness.

Just as the Saker reveres Malcolm X as the quintessential black-leader of our times, still, so do I revere blacks who, as Zora Neele Hurston said, "don't ask for anything from the whites, but instead show them what we can offer."

But instead, just as Malcolm X believed, blacks put their trust in the left political establishment in this country, run by whites, and throw up their hands in confusion when their lot isn't improved magically.

They need to get their cultural house in order.

If you want me to address what whites need to do, I would be happy to, but you will probably say I am some kind of "white nationalist" or some other loaded term and not address the content of my post adequately.

Welcome back, Donkey.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 1 2020 18:25 utc | 118

@ Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 18:16 utc | 117

After the fall of the Roman Empire in the west, the Church was its only institution to survive practically intact. Thanks to this, Latin survived, as did many Roman texts. In this sense - and in this sense only - Christianism, albeit through osmosis, preserved the fragments which would serve the Modern Age "renaiscance".

Christianism never defended the oppressed after it became the official religion of the Roman Empire. Nor did it serve as the "vanguard of western culture and advancement". It only serve itself. Trust me: nobody was teaching Plato or Socrates in the colonies; it was only death and destruction under the sound of the whip.

It's curious you're afraid of today's Pope. The Catholic Church is plagued by scandals of boys being systematically raped by bishops and priests and you're preocuppied with an hypothetical "crypto-marxist"?

Posted by: vk | Feb 1 2020 18:28 utc | 119

@120 vk

Nonsense, vk. Technology is bound to have its day. And metallurgy was a potent ally when subjugating the people of foreign lands.

Christianity did its best knowing the outcome was already decided. Best to try to bring them into the fold, I suppose. The other option is subjugation, slavery, and death, which they endured in great amounts, but I would posit less because of the efforts of Christians abroad and at home.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 18:33 utc | 120

Also forgot to mention:

The far-right loves to tell stories about Jewish bankers financing bolsheviks, who are financing Wall Street, who is financing Israel etc. etc.

But have you ever heard a far-rightist tell us the story of the Vatican Bank? That would be a much more spectacular conspiracy theory, since its official name goes by the orwellian "Institute for the Works of Religion"!

You'll also never hear from the mouth of the far-right about all the money that flows through the evangelical churches in the USA and other countries. It's like it doesn't even exist.

Funny how, for the far-rightist, Christianism simply falls from the sky...

Posted by: vk | Feb 1 2020 18:33 utc | 121

O.o

Posted by: Josh | Feb 1 2020 18:37 utc | 122

The End of American Exceptionalism? Study Indicates Failure of US Democracy Creating Wave of Self Doubt

A new study shows that less than half of all Americans are satisfied with the nation's democratic system.

Posted by: Mao | Feb 1 2020 18:38 utc | 123

@122

Many Latin-Christians absolutely recognize the degeneracy and corruption of the centralized Vatican and Papacy. For myself, it is indeed an interesting contradiction to decry Globalism, yet cheer the Holy Catholic Church in their plight of conversion of souls home and abroad.

I chuckle at the though but have resigned myself that culture and sovereignty may be maintained materialistically, while the dominion of the soul and spirit is the commodity the Church is really after.

...

Furthermore, the corruption of the clergy can not undo the truth of the reality the Church the professes. The Pope can murder a billion people but that doesn't change the Gospels or St. Peter given the key to the Church.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Feb 1 2020 18:42 utc | 124

Now that the damage is done, now that Corbyn was utterly destroyed and sabotaged, it's time to hire the guy to make the empty, ex post facto mea culpa:

It was all a dream: there was no way to stop Brexit

Better those useless prosecco/champagne socialists from London to stop dreaming then.

Posted by: vk | Feb 1 2020 18:45 utc | 125

"My initial inclination would be that
EU is too powerful and some signs of independant thinking."

Posted by: jared | Feb 1 2020 18:23 utc | 118


Good to see there are some who suspect there's a forest beyond the tree. One clue that helps broaden understanding is the Euro's use in international trade. Something the US and it's close partners are very sensitive about. USD approx 40%, Euro approx 36%. Current movement away from USD heightens efforts to staunch the flow.

USD usage and demand is of course crucial to the survival of the Empire of Lies.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/international-role-euro_en

Posted by: Bubbles | Feb 1 2020 19:18 utc | 126

Posted by: vk | Feb 1 2020 13:35 utc | 95

Europe's pivot to the East should be an obvious long term plan (next 50 yrs), with advantages particularly in transportation and distribution. The sea would be less strategically important if Eurasia were integrated with fast freight networks.

Uncle Sam, on the other hand, would not be thrilled. Germany is most definitely, as you say, at a crossroads. Russia—whether positively or negatively—has always more naturally attracted her gaze.

I would add that Europe's rise from the ashes post-war should be taken literally. For one 'to rise from ashes' first there must be ashes.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 1 2020 22:34 utc | 127

Just for general information re the Scots desire for independence and break away from the UK.
Give us English a vote in any such 'independence' referendum...
And Scotland would be independent before half the votes were counted.
Many of us English are generally fed up with those in the pack of anti English whinging Scots.
Off you go folks, and I for one genuinely wish you well - but give us English a break....
The records broken.
And as the SNP want to keep open borders and have more mass immigration - we will give you 10,000,000 or so as a parting gift and act of goodwill.
Enjoy them and of course the Euro.

Posted by: Emily | Feb 1 2020 23:34 utc | 128

@ 129 emily... there is a lot of history in all this... i am sure for some scots there is no love lost and they would appreciate your generousity in contrast to the many centuries of persecution from the past that was inflicted on them.... i am sure many other countries would say the same... but apparently bojo the clown is not into letting this happen!! so much for that bullshite about democracy and freedom to choose..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2020 2:08 utc | 129

I found this blog via Gibru, as I sensed the Internet was being censored. I am also still reading through all the comments here (and my real name is also not Enya, though I'm a female with some Irish in me), but I have always supported Brexit, secretly. As I discovered long ago, sounding like you support nationalism is not good, and I'm American so technically it's none of my business. The thing is that, the Native peoples of England are in fact, white, English speaking people. Do they not have the right to preserve their culture and way of life? Why is it that, what's hour's should remain yours, and what is mine belongs to the world. I am a multicultural person so I don't usually see things from just one cultural perspective, so I assure you that I've considered other views, and I cannot find a reason why it would be OK for parts of London to resemble Pakistan, when the Island is already so small. Preserve your culture for crying out loud and open borders with impoverished countries, some which are hostile to not just the west, but "the white man" via other European countries, is a surefire way to destroy your own motherland, which is a stupid and weak thing to do. Have some b*lls, put less delicately, and Britain has - good for them. Now if Britain rose to great hights before Europe, it will find a way to be successful again without Europe, and in a modern, non-colonialistic way. I wish them well and have confidence in the people, as some of my favorite writers were English, and it is a special people, I don't care how that sounds, and again, thus is coming from a multiracial person so you cannot accuse me of white supremacy. I speak from an objective standpoind. For exampke, when I visit Europe someday, I want to see Europe, not Asia or Africa. If I go Paris, I want to observe some fashionable natives having lattes, along with the beautiful architecture, it will be part of the experience. I don't want to see too many burkas or foreign bizaars when I go to see the white European's homeland. I will also go to see other parts of the world, and will want to see and experience their unique cultures, and observe the natives. Hope that brings some clarity to what I am trying to say here.

Posted by: Enya | Feb 2 2020 4:53 utc | 130

@Hoarsewhisperer, if the west is filled with such rapist, why do so many non-westerners want in her borders? That comment proves my point made abive, and I have heard this attitude many times by ethnic foreigners who share with me their anti-white views, while these angry types of people see their gracious host country as belonging to the world, not to the natives who built the land up into what it is today that makes it such a desirable place to live. England is being flooded with people who hate whites, basically, when the Native peoples of England are in fact white. How can Europe be so stupid as to open its doors to cultures and people who hate them and have generational grudges against them. Fools! You would be amazed at the things I hear, and I admit I play along, but is frightening the amount of hate many people have against whites, wake up! In America being multiracial I have experienced racial hatred, but objectively, this soft idea of racial inclusion that was invented by white corporate people that need their minions to get along, is not shared by non-western thinkers. You would be shocked if you've heard the things I heard, and would always wander, "that person is not white, I wander if they hate me?" It is out of control. Take your country back, Britain, and in the future, only let people in who actually like and respect the natives.

Posted by: Enya | Feb 2 2020 5:36 utc | 131

You only need to take a look at the kind of people pushing Brexit, and their desperation to avoid the kind of compromise that would normally reflect a 52-48% result, to see it is a bad idea. It looks very like a power grab by Washington via their faithful Tory poodles and client media, with the flag-waving and talk of independence merely a smokescreen.

Posted by: Tom74 | Feb 2 2020 8:56 utc | 132

Happiness last few time amongst lackeys...

Yeah, signs of independence are all over the place....

US Congressmen Reportedly Warn British MPs of 'Catastrophic' Cost of Allowing Huawei in UK's 5G

Then, will come the "catastrophic cost" of keeping the NHS public, and so on, and so on...

Political corpse Farage is asling is he should hide in the basement....yes, you should, Moron, for to having working so hard to sell your country....If i would be the UK treasure, I would be watching the bank accounts of this scoundrel for some time...

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 12:51 utc | 133

Taste the sweet savor of "independence"...

@BenJolly9 During the election Jeremy Corbyn warmed us about the US hiking up medicine prices in a seedy trade deal with the UK & he was branded a liar by Tories & reporters all round.

Well Jeremy Corbyn was telling the truth. And nobody listened.

https://twitter.com/BenJolly9/status/1223673645173821445

Definitely, I fear, Farage, and even Johnson, will have to migrate to the US, where his paymasters live...

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 13:11 utc | 134

Bolton, of course celebrating...when Bolton celebrates, start trembling...

John Bolton @AmbJohnBolton Brexit is done! Happy first full day of UK Independence as they reclaim their sovereignty from the EU. Brexit reflects deeply held views that the British enjoy governing themselves & are done surrendering their interests to the EU bureaucracy @BorisJohnson

Yeah, full independence to surrender them now to the US bureaucracy....

Someone debunks the myth of "EU bureaucracy", all the more when held by a bird like Bolton,...comparing it with some US cities...You can agree with the rest of his argument, or not, but the numbers are there....

Harman Idema @HarmaninChile Bureaucracy? The European Commission has 33,000 employees.

Less than the city of Chicago (35,000) or the state of South Carolina (35,000).

The EU is not a bureaucracy. It is the most successful conflict control mechanism in the world. On a continent that was bled by wars.

https://twitter.com/HarmaninChile/status/1223657722891075585

Posted by: Sasha | Feb 2 2020 13:39 utc | 135

Hi NC

We probably will talk past each other you are correct.

"Browns" "Blacks" "Yellows" and "Whites" of the working classes have much more in common with each other than with the "Globalist Capitalist Elites" presently well-represented by the ruling classes' fascist leaders Trump, Putin and Xi.

Until that fact is understood and the phony identity politics practiced by the Global Capitalist Elites are recognised for what they mean to the average Joe, average Xin and average Jose collectively, we will remain divided and trapped separately inside little flag-stamped cocoons of increasing financial suffocation regardless of nationality, religion or skin colour.

Putin just completed his obvious "Dear Leader for Life" status already enjoyed by Xi. Trump is totally about scheming his way to the same station. The Grand Ol Party just shed its final skin and stands transparently before the world.

My question is why do you support the elites?

Posted by: donkeytale | Feb 2 2020 14:43 utc | 136

This is the lowest of the low:

Brexit: Scotland would be ‘enthusiastically’ welcomed by EU if it wins independence, says Tusk

On the occasion of the Scotland independence referendum, the EU itself played a heavy part in the "no" victory by suggesting Scotland could not have membership to the union if they got out of the UK. At the time, they were still pandering to Westminster in the hopes to cool down the soon-to-come brexit fervour and to Spain, which was living the height of the Catalonian crisis.

Now, fastforward five years, the EU wants to welcome Scotland "enthusiastically"! Jeez, what changed in this meantime? I can't imagine what...

P.S.: Also, the EU now suddenly defends Gibraltar should be Spain's.

Posted by: vk | Feb 2 2020 14:49 utc | 137

- Britain won't be "Great" within a few years. The Debt-to-GDP ratio in in the UK higher than in the US.

Posted by: willy2 | Feb 2 2020 20:58 utc | 138

I don't see an independent Scotland in the EU. t would create friction with Spain and Belgium that has separatist regions.. More like a future independent Scotland will be part of EFTA along, Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. EFTA has trade association that follows the same EU standard

Posted by: Nick | Feb 3 2020 2:39 utc | 139

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