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January 07, 2020

Blowback From The Soleimani Assassination Increases As Iraq Reveals How Trump Tried To Steal Its Oil

The blowback from Trump's assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis is increasing.  A scandal is developing as one consequence of Trump's evil deed after Iraq's Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi revealed the gangster methods U.S. President Trump used in his attempts to steal Iraq's oil. Below we follow today's development.

The mourning for the assassinated Iranian Major General Qassem Soleimani unfortunately caused even more suffering:

A stampede broke out Tuesday at a funeral for a top Iranian general killed in a U.S. airstrike, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said.

The stampede took place in Kerman, the hometown of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani, as the procession began, said the semi-official Fars and ISNA news agencies, citing Pirhossein Koulivand, head of Iran’s emergency medical services.

Helicopter video had earlier shown that the street of Kerman were densely crowded with mourners. The actual funeral has now been postponed.

A U.S. paid anti-Iranian propagandist has turned out to claim that Qassem Soleimani was not really popular in Iran. It is easy to debunk such nonsense by pointing to the University of Maryland which does regular polls in Iran. In October 2019 it found:

General Soleimani remains the most popular Iranian public figure among those tested, with eight in ten viewing him favorably. Second is Foreign Minister Zarif, viewed favorably by two thirds. ...

Also this from Professor Abukhalil:

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil - 17:29 UTC · Jan 6, 2020
This is the most stunning aspect of the rise of Iranian nationalism due to Trump’s decision to kill Suleimani. This would have been most unimaginable for many decades. The law of unintended consequences.
Quoted Tweet:
Roham Alvandi رهام الوندی @RohamAlvandiLSE -10:11 UTC · Jan 5, 2020
Ardeshir Zahedi, the foreign minister of Iran from 1966 to 1971 and the former son-in-law of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, describes Soleimani as a "patriotic and honourable soldier who was a son of Iran" and compares him to De Gaulle, Montgomery, MacArthur, and Eisenhower. Link to video.

This video from 2017 shows Soleimani consoling the daughter of a slain comrade at his funeral. Such scenes explain why Soleimani was so beloved.

The U.S. has denied Iran's Foreign Minister Jahvad Zarif a visa for a long planned visit to the UN in New York. Zarif responded by saying that he can talk to the U.S. people from Tehran. Today he proved that by giving a CNN interview:

Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif called US President Donald Trump's decision to order the drone strike that killed the country's top military commander an act of "state terrorism" in an interview with CNN Tuesday.
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"This is an act of aggression against Iran and amounts to an armed attack against Iran, and we will respond. But we will respond proportionally not disproportionally," he said. "We will respond lawfully, we are not lawless people like President Trump."
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The interview came as Iran's parliament voted unanimously for a motion declaring all US forces as "terrorists" on Tuesday, according to Iran's state-news agency IRNA. The vote took place during the country's parliamentary session Tuesday, IRNA reported. After the plan was approved, delegates chanted, "Death to America."

More death will come:

According to a report on Tuesday by the semi-official Tasnim news agency, Iran has worked up 13 sets of plans for revenge for Soleimani’s killing. The report quoted Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, as saying that even the weakest among them would be a “historic nightmare” for the U.S. He declined to elaborate,

“If the U.S. troops do not leave our region voluntarily and upright, we will do something to carry their bodies horizontally out,” Shamkhani said.

The Quds force, the external action arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp, received an additional budget of 200 million Euros. It will put that money to good use.

There are some 60 to 70.000 U.S. soldiers designated foreign terrorists on some 19 bases near Iran and on ships in nearby waters. That is  quite a lot of fish in just a few barrels.

Their commander in chief should ask himself if it is wise to keep them there.

The leader of a number of Iraqi Popular Militia Forces will meet in the next 48 hours to plan for the eviction of U.S. forces from Iraq should they not leave voluntarily. For security reasons the meeting was moved from Baghdad to Tehran.

North-Yemen held a quite large public mourning for Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. A Houthi minister held a speech during which he said:

"Soleimani's blood .. will turn into intercontinental missiles .. to destroy US warships and end US regional presence"

U.S. war ships will certainly have to avoid Yemen's coast.

The removal of U.S. troops from the region was also the theme of Sunday's speech by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon. It seems clear that the Resistance Axis will work on the project in a coordinated manner.

Trump said he would ask Iraq to pay for the bases the U.S. has built should the U.S. troops be kicked out of Iraq. The U.S. already has binding legal agreements with Iraq which stipulate that the bases, and all fixed installations the U.S. has built there, are the property of Iraq.


Trump had already asked Iraqi Prime Ministers -twice- if the U.S. could get Iraq's oil as reward for invading and destroying their country. The requests were rejected. Now we learn that Trump also uses gangster methods (ar) to get the oil of Iraq. The talk by the Iraqi Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi happened during the recent parliament session in Iraq (machine translation):

Al-Halbousi, Speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives, blocked the speech of Mr. Abdul Mahdi in the scheduled session to discuss the decision to remove American forces from Iraq.

At the beginning of the session, Al-Halbousi left the presidential seat and sat next to Mr. Abdul-Mahdi, after his request to cut off the live broadcast of the session, a public conversation took place between the two parties. The voice of Adel Abdul Mahdi was raised.

Mr. Abdul Mahdi spoke with an angry tone, saying:

"The Americans are the ones who destroyed the country and wreaked havoc on it. They are those who refuse to complete building the electrical system and infrastructure projects. They have bargained for the reconstruction of Iraq in exchange for giving up 50% of Iraqi oil imports, so I refused and decided to go to China and concluded an important and strategic agreement with it, and today Trump is trying to cancel this important agreement."

The American President's threatened the Iraqi Prime Minister to liquidate him directly with the Minister of Defense. The Marines are the third party that sniped the demonstrators and the security men:

Abdul Mahdi continued:

"After my return from China, Trump called me and asked me to cancel the agreement, so I also refused, and he threatened me with massive demonstrations that would topple me. Indeed, the demonstrations started and then Trump called, threatening to escalate in the event of non-cooperation and responding to his wishes, so that the third party (Marines snipers) would target the demonstrators and security forces and kill them from the highest structures and the US embassy in an attempt to pressure me and submit to his wishes and cancel the China agreement, so I did not respond and submitted my resignation and the Americans still insist to this day on canceling the China agreement and when the defense minister said that who kills the demonstrators is a third party, Trump called me immediately and physically threatened me and defense minister in the event of talk about the third party."

The reliable Based Cat in Iraq seems to confirm the timeline:

TØM CΛT @TomtheBasedCat - 4:00 UTC · Jan 7, 2020
Yes a 50-person delegation visited China in 2019 and then the protests started on October 1st until the Arbaeen dates, then picked up again on Oct 25th. I'm skeptical about the 3rd party but the timing itself was interesting. The flames were fanned by Gulf media and Al-Hurra.

Al-Hurra is a U.S. government financed Arab language TV outlet.

Southfront has a similar report, seemingly from a different source, with some additional context.

While this talk has not yet been confirmed it does sounds highly plausible.


The chicken-hawks of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, who have all lobbied the U.S. for war on Iran, now fear the consequences:

Gulf Arab states, potential targets for retaliation after the U.S. assassinated Iran’s top general, are working on multiple tracks to try to keep tensions between Tehran and Washington from building into a military confrontation.

Earlier today Russia's President Vladimir Putin arrived in Damascus for talks with the Syria's President Assad. Could there also be a meeting between Putin and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah? Putin will next go to Turkey to inaugurate the gas pipeline between Russia and Turkey.

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Brasco Aad is still up..only that report of the plane is gone

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@190 uncle tungsten

I agree with your take, but - not pessimism. Anything is possible with the US - they're incompetent enough to do the wrong thing, although like you I assume the Pentagon's fear will prevail.

But if we all die with Soleimani, then I'm with Sasha, better this now, than to live on our knees.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:56 utc | 201

Castellio | Jan 7 2020 19:28 utc | 23

It was the agreement with China...
On why Russia seems to rush in to every situ to make a deal first before China even manages to correctly (and wiselly) asses the situation, I will speak much later about that.. First the breaching of Israeli-Russian relatioship will have to happen, which is only now months appart...

Bell started tolling...

Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 8 2020 1:59 utc | 202

The twiddle T just canceled his previously announced address to the nation!!!! scheduled for 8:45 EDT.

The MSM tune just changed after the cancellation of the address to the nation. they sound very cautious. did the pants gets soiled? or is it the annihilation of the izie disease?

Posted by: Rd | Jan 8 2020 1:59 utc | 203

I just heard some scum-bag on CNN call Soleimani the "foremost terrorist in the world". With reporting like that, average listeners have no chance to make a good judgement on any thing.

Guess you could say; "so, what else is new?"

Posted by: ben | Jan 8 2020 2:00 utc | 204

Operation Inherent Resolve...

Via Mark Sleboda Twitter...

Hezbollah has said that if America attacks #Iran, it will attack Israel.

Houthis in Yemen have said if America attacks, it will attack US bases.

Some PMU units have said they will also attack US forces if the US attacks #Iran.

https://twitter.com/SinaToossi/status/1214717549419671552

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 2:00 utc | 205

Rather than Sarah and co, i'd better wish to know US Navy movement. Do they try to flee away (then it started) or not yet (then not).

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 8 2020 2:00 utc | 206

I like BBC headlines

Is expecting Iran to de-escalate realistic?
Iran has a number of possible retaliation options following the US killing of an Iranian commander.

1h ago


Oh, well, whad'ya think.... In just an hour after this BBC masterpiece shit hit the fan.

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NBC Ali Arouzi claims Iran demands USA not to retaliate, quoting Haifa and Dubai for "3rd wave".
Delicious if true. "Sand niggas" returning the "sole hyperpower" the favour. Didn't Pompeo or someone demanded "not to retaliate" just a day or two ago.
But i am not sure we can trust NBC or any other western propaganda office about what Iran did and dis not say.

Intel would not like loosing Haifa, they already loosing market to AMD last year....

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Trump got himself his Pearl Harbor 2.0 and "wartime president" status. Maybe will make him re-elected.

But also IRGC "pulled the hook". Due to American hubris they now just can not evacuate USArmy Iraqi garrisons to, say, Kuwait. And would have to infringe upon Iraq sovereignty and to be sitting ducks there. Wagging the dog.

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I still wonder about nukes.
I hope Russia and China would prohibit long-range and medium-range vehicles, citing M.A.D. concerns and protocols, so USA would be limited to short-range nuclear-wielding weapons. Which they shouls have much less.

I also hope Trump would get his re-election and stop short of using tactical nukes, but see no rational reasons for such a restrain for today USA.

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There was no news yet, however, about US Navy fleeing away from Iran ASMs range. So hopefully Pentagon does not see real threat of real war, not yet. And maybe it will still be contained as one more run of the mill American warlette. Hopefully...

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 8 2020 2:00 utc | 207

To think that December 2016 Iran was complying with the JCPOA, receiving business from a variety of countries around the globe, was on the path to normalizing its trade relationship with EU countries, and Iranians were finally looking forward to prosperity and might have had a brilliant leader on the horizon with Soleimani, whom they revered, as a bonus.

Then ENTER THE ZIONIST CLOWN TRUMP intent on blowing it all up.

Congratulations to all on your stupifying insight!

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Msg to b: Since I have been vindicated in a breathtaking way, can you please allow me to post from my Android again???? Who knows what else I will see in future that you don't.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 2:02 utc | 208

Both CNN and Fox reporting that senior military source confirms no US casualties in strike.

If this is true, what follows?

If this is not true, why leak a falsehood? Clearly to avoid war.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 8 2020 2:04 utc | 209

Anyone heard about Jews leaving Israel en masse?

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 2:06 utc | 210

Twitter works fine for me.

Soliemani's body now buried. The revenge had to occur before he was interred, apparently. I wonder if the red flag will be flying come dawn in Tehran. Twitter reports Trump will not address nation and that all major players have left the White House.

Apparantly Pelosi said:

"The United States and the world cannot afford the burden of another war...."

And:

"IRGC: IF TEHERAN IS TARGETED WE WILL STRIKE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES." [Caps in original]

Yes, I'm sure there're "sleeper cells" with targets ready to be activated and there're many very volatile targets that're very soft.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 2:07 utc | 211

Iran has announced in case of any attack on the homeland next target, Bahrain, Dubai and Haifa.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 2:08 utc | 212

If there are no US casualties and yet the All Asad airbase has been destroyed, then I wonder whether this has not been all kabuki theater. Iran gets to look tough to populace but avoids US further escalation, Trump gets to avoid retaliation because no US casualties. Is this crazy?

Posted by: WJ | Jan 8 2020 2:12 utc | 213

@ wj - you mean iraq-iran gets to do a trump move? i doubt it very much...

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 2:13 utc | 214

the fact is the move by trump taking out qassam changed the whole enchilada..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 2:14 utc | 215

WJ | Jan 8 2020 2:12 utc | 211:

Nope. But will it be enough to placate the populace?

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 8 2020 2:15 utc | 216

Alpi #208

Anyone heard about Jews leaving Israel en masse?

I heard that too but it was just after Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and Les Wexner arrived with videos :)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 2:15 utc | 217

Wonder whether Netanyahu, Sara and Jair have already departed for Patagonia...

Patagonia just responded: Don't bother; no room at the inn or in the stables. As a matter of fact, no room anywhere!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 2:15 utc | 218

If Trump responds with air strikes, Iran will light the region on fire. If he does the right thing and does nothing, he faces total defeat: a hasty withdrawal from Iraq and loss of all face, with his nihilistic threats of “disproportionate” response and levelling cultural sites (war crimes) spectacularly voided.

I can’t see him accepting that.

Posted by: outerreef | Jan 8 2020 2:16 utc | 219

Grieved @199--

Yes, I must agree with you on that. Ought to be nearing dawn on that side of the planet. USAF movement was likely of the bugging-out sort. If any were sent against Iran, we'd hear of many being shotdown, not just one. There's still a rather big unaddressed issue of the PMU's assault on Outlaw US Empire forces and whether it'll continue.

Otherwise, I do think I'll awaken in the morning with my wife and begin another day.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 2:17 utc | 220

The purpose of the Resistance across the whole region is as Nasrallah declared. Since the combined leadership of the US is not even worth Soleimani's shoe, he said, there must be a response of equal weight. And the only response is the entire banishment of the US military - the murderer of Soleimani - from the entire region.

It starts where it starts. It goes where it goes. It ends when they leave. All of them, from everywhere.

The epic death poems for Soleimani and the wail of anguish from the entire land still resound in the ears of all true people. This moment quickens the sinews into action of tens upon tens of millions of ordinary people who are not afraid to die, and in many cases are glad and even relieved to die if it be in holy service such as the defense of their land.

The scale of this over-match, wherein Iran towers over the US with moral strength, is only beginning to be seen. If the US, in its dementia, pushes to see even more of the over-match, the light will burn its eyes.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 2:18 utc | 221

Merkel was summoned to Moscow for January 11th.

I wonder if the visit is still lending or cancelled only.

Wonder if Putin would have time for her and other EU claptraps next week.

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 8 2020 2:18 utc | 222

@198 "Wonder whether Netanyahu, Sara and Jair have already departed for Patagonia."

But he's totally innocent. Not involved at all. He just said so.

(Somebody will now say 'Wow!! Are you f**kin nuts!!)

Posted by: dh | Jan 8 2020 2:21 utc | 223

If the worst happens and Hezbollah is pulled in, Netanyahoo can always hide in Ramallah under Palestinians' skirts. That will be the only safe place.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 2:21 utc | 224

@ 215

I do have a sense of humor as well. Just not at this time and I think yours is misplaced.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 2:21 utc | 225

Iran has responded with alacrity! Missiles!
The sensational AbdelMadhi/Trump phonecall sounds embellished, which suggests confusion and desperation in Baghdad. Not a good sign. Who is in control? Just how ready is Iraq to expel the U. S. presence? (And how indispensable was Qassam Soleimani, may he rest in peace). Invoking China in this fog of war is the final phase of announcing to the hegemon that you are on the other side. K. S. A. must be in an absolute tizz. All this heat is deflecting media attention away from the burgeoning war in Libya, a war that can only be resolved diplomatically. But is that possible? Putin will be needed.
As for Iran,I'm not fussed with Rouhani, but respect the wisdom of the Ayatollah. But where is Mahmoud Ahmadinajad? He is more the "nationalist" style of politician rather than internationalist a la Rouhani. Rouhani's mates are the E. U. and Qatar-make of that what you will. While we in the west applaud "the axis of resistance" for it's righteous quest, it is still warfare and that is exactly what the deepstate/hegemon /Rumsfeld-Cebrowski doctrine/International finance cartel(take your pick) want. Wars, endless wars.
And, from a western Christian to our Eastern brothers and sisters, God bless you, and a Happy Christmas.

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 8 2020 2:22 utc | 226

Iran has responded with alacrity! Missiles!
The sensational AbdelMadhi/Trump phonecall sounds embellished, which suggests confusion and desperation in Baghdad. Not a good sign. Who is in control? Just how ready is Iraq to expel the U. S. presence? (And how indispensable was Qassam Soleimani, may he rest in peace). Invoking China in this fog of war is the final phase of announcing to the hegemon that you are on the other side. K. S. A. must be in an absolute tizz. All this heat is deflecting media attention away from the burgeoning war in Libya, a war that can only be resolved diplomatically. But is that possible? Putin will be needed.
As for Iran,I'm not fussed with Rouhani, but respect the wisdom of the Ayatollah. But where is Mahmoud Ahmadinajad? He is more the "nationalist" style of politician rather than internationalist a la Rouhani. Rouhani's mates are the E. U. and Qatar-make of that what you will. While we in the west applaud "the axis of resistance" for it's righteous quest, it is still warfare and that is exactly what the deepstate/hegemon /Rumsfeld-Cebrowski doctrine/International finance cartel(take your pick) want. Wars, endless wars.
And, from a western Christian to our Eastern brothers and sisters, God bless you, and a Happy Christmas.

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 8 2020 2:22 utc | 227

Putin is most likely already back in Moscow.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 8 2020 2:23 utc | 228

Well, if the Iranians don't have the equipment to flatten the US Indian Ocean Naval Base on Diego Garcia (Paradise Island) then they are likely to play it cool overall after a few token fireworks. Potentially a whole lot of pain from that vector which simply turns one unfortunate death into 1,000's. Their potential major strategic win is to cause the US to leave Iraq etc. If they stay focused and on message then Trump gets his ME "exit" before the November election -- and being 'forced' is not likely to be an election issue as he can always present it as the only way to herd the DC swamp into meeting HIS election commitment. The kick in the Persian shin on the way out is just a crass bully tactic with sour grapes and probably a little gift to the nut&yahoo_job that runs Occupied Palestine.

Posted by: imo | Jan 8 2020 2:23 utc | 229

These bases are rubble. There is no chance of no american casualties, without advance warning. They're gone, they can't be called bases anymore, they're in piles as are all planes and vehicles there.

Posted by: NJH | Jan 8 2020 2:23 utc | 230

Launching a ballistic missile attack against a US base in al-Anbar is smart from a ‘limited escalation’ perspective. It prevents the fight from expanding across the region unless the United States loses its mind completely and unleashes a full out attack on Iran. Additionally, targeting American occupation troops in Iraq plays well with ordinary Iraqis sick of American aggression on their soil and such a strike, as opposed to a targeted assassination or an attack outside of Iraq, gives Iran’s enemies very little propaganda material to work with. It serves the ball back into the US court and makes Washington 100% responsible if it escalates this conflict into a regional war. Also, not waiting for weeks or months before retaliating makes it much more difficult for Israel or a US proxy to launch a false flag and try to blame it on Iran. Well played.

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 8 2020 2:24 utc | 231

website is reporting (not with total confidence) that Iran says that as soon as the US strikes Iran
Iran will strike Israel

http://thesaker.is/according-to-the-site-colonel-cassad-the-irgc-has-declared-that-as-soon-as-the-us-strikes-iran-iran-will-strike-israel/

Posted by: librul | Jan 8 2020 2:25 utc | 232

Erdo should be now scheming hard to trigger Iran obliterating USAF base in Qatar, and then Qatar becomes solely Turkish vassal.

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 8 2020 2:26 utc | 233

Librul, 229 - namely Haifa and Dubai.
You can find in twitter, NBC news, Ali Arouzi

But i did not see authentic IRGC claim, only sourceless retells

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 8 2020 2:28 utc | 234

Well, if it was a limited strike that was designed to look big and make some serious material damage, and not to kill a lot of US troops, then it's quite possible that Trump - assuming he doesn't go the heavy retaliation way - can soon, and definitely before elections, be able to order US to leave Iraq not because they don't want the US there but actually in a magnanimous act, "to make sure that poor country won't be bombed again by evil Iranians" - arguably with a mutual understanding with Iran that both will stick to a limited direct influence over Iraq. But that would be the best-case scenario, where Iran boots the US, the US still got hit, but no more deaths, cycle of reprisals ends, and Iraq is basically free at last.
I'll see how bad it actually is when I wake up...

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 8 2020 2:32 utc | 235

Chris Cuomo on FCNN is right now asking why the US didn't attack Iran when they saw them moving missiles. Talk about lack of introspection.

Posted by: spudski | Jan 8 2020 2:32 utc | 236

Judging by the volume on Twitter, the attack has ceased. Time to cook dinner!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 2:33 utc | 237

Iranian Revolutionary Guard says: "This was the beginning, we will continue to strike US bases in the Middle East"
https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1214733943423012866

Yes, I believe so. It will end when they have all left.

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And this all happened as Soleimani was officially being buried. A gun salute.

Merely the beginning...

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 2:33 utc | 238

karlof1 #218

I am sure the morning awaits us and our chants and meditations. But the morning also brings a new sun upon the Saudis and if this process is planned as an extensive revenge (and I believe it is) then the Saudis can awake expecting it to rain stones for some time.

If this struggle to evict the USA is serious then Iran and its Persian army will emasculate the key arab pawn over the coming weeks and the Houthis will be given reprieve to bring them to victory in Yemen. My guess is that this way will give stability and a framework for peace in the region sufficient to counter the belligerence of the occupier of Palestine lands.

The region is subject to endless provocations and the 'gift of Golan' to Israel is just one the more recent grievous affronts that are unlikely to end unless there is a profound military rebuff to the lunacy of western private finance capital scheming.

The illegal occupation of Syrian oilfields could collapse immediately as well if it has not already commenced.

Each new day will tell but I will always wish for peace. Thank you your insights and may you and your wife greet the sun in peace each day.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 2:35 utc | 239

The fearless leader's words of wisdom:

I, aye, aye stoopid

Parachute his ass into the battlefield.

Maaaaammmmiiii!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 2:35 utc | 240

@228 They are dealing with Trump and a large population of Americans that will respond with 'bomb bomb bomb Iran.'
This is bad news all around. I hope that they didn't hit anything so that an opportunity for detente, but, again, they're dealing with Trump and war-conservatives. This could easily escalate to a major war in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc. If ME oil export is shut down completely, the entire world will go straight into economic collapse. USA will probably go to some level of martial law, meaning that ordinary people will be getting their lives wrecked while others get killed by warfare.

And to think that all that was needed to avoid this was Trump not authorizing a drone strike.

Posted by: aaaa | Jan 8 2020 2:38 utc | 241

@233 "Chris Cuomo on FCNN is right now asking why the US didn't attack Iran when they saw them moving missiles. Talk about lack of introspection."

Pretty hard to track missile movement in Iran I would think. The place is bristling with them....real ones and dummies.

Posted by: dh | Jan 8 2020 2:38 utc | 242


Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 1:39 utc | 184

Yap they did hopefully more and "Al Mayadeen: US base at Ain al Assad has completely been destroyed. 4:01 PM - 7 Jan 2020"

..and over to the China side "....China’s refusal to lift grain quotas make Trump’s phase one import demands ‘more difficult’" and China's Liu He to Sign Phase 1 Trade Deal

I love Thrump, such a smart President and ought to win a Nobel peace prize...

Posted by: JC | Jan 8 2020 2:39 utc | 243

But Zarif says this is all for now (my emphasis):

Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.
https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1214736614217469953

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And so, karlof1, we shall if the red flag comes down. Perhaps this was enough of a slap? But they must leave, that remains as an imperative that will smolder unceasingly now.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 2:41 utc | 244

It seems there is a lull and a chance for Trump to srep back from the brink.

Posted by: paul | Jan 8 2020 2:43 utc | 245

This is not good and rather ominous:

https://www.rt.com/usa/477683-faa-bars-flights-persian-gulf-iran/

Posted by: Alpi57 | Jan 8 2020 2:44 utc | 246

Breaking...
Mysterious virus are spreading from mainland China to HK to Singapore.
Rings a bell ..... SARS, 2003 ?

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Not OT, definitely non trivial. !

Trump is implementing the last leg of PNAC.
https://www.wanttoknow.info/020907pnacprojectnewamericancentury

.Iraq, Libya, Afghan, Syria, Iran, China have all been ticked.

But there's one item seldom discussed...
The development of ethnic specific bioweapon !

Was Mike Ruppert suicided ?
https://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html
Were all those microbiologists bumped off cuz they knew too much of
that hideous programme , the way Frank Olsen was suicided cuz he knew too much about the MKultra mind control proj ??

Posted by: denk | Jan 8 2020 2:46 utc | 247

The threats of escalation by Iran and allies should be cause for pause and stepping back from the brink, but that idea of deescalating doesn't really seem to match Trump or the other neocon's previously documented behavior.

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 8 2020 2:47 utc | 248

Symbolic attack on a mostly empty base with some obsolete old rockets?

Posted by: Farquad | Jan 8 2020 2:48 utc | 249

looks like a symbolic action? revenge before soleimanis body is under ground, maybe that's some sort of tradition? Obviously if there are no casualties the US has been given info warning about the impending attack. But I doubt that some destroyed aircraft are the price that iran thinks soleimani is worth, so I'd think this is only for public display and "real" retaliation will come in non-military form and well thought through over the long term.

Posted by: radiator | Jan 8 2020 2:48 utc | 250

Posted by: paul | Jan 8 2020 2:43 utc | 242

"It seems there is a lull and a chance for Trump to srep back from the brink."

Nope strongly disagree!

Posted by: JC | Jan 8 2020 2:52 utc | 251

@246

It might just be that. See my @221 above. If there really are zero US casualties and yet a destroyed base, then clearly Iran and US have been in communication to strategize how to avoid all out war.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 8 2020 2:53 utc | 252

Everyone should flood the White House email and phones and demand that Trump not respond to Iran's missiles strike! Iran demonstrated unbelievable restraint considering what Trump did murdering an Iranian of Soleimani's stature based on pure fabrication.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/get-involved/write-or-call/

Spread the word. This is too important.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 2:54 utc | 253

I noticed except for the Russia's MoD praising the accomplishments of General Soleimani after his murder by the deranged orangeman, Mr. Putin's spokesman has been silent.
In Russia, there is this adage; "we take time to saddle our horse and once mounted we ride very fast."

To All those wondering why Mr. Putin was in Syria and where is he now?
Why? Getting on with business and protecting his friends. Now why would he go to Syria you ask? Obvious, the u.s. is facing off for a war.

After the Crimea bridge opened early 2019, here is another slap in the face to the u.s.
After his visit to Syria -
Mr. Putin arrives to Istanbul from Damascus to launch TurkStream on January 8

ISTANBUL, January 7. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has arrived in Istanbul. Putin press service clarified that no public events are planned for evening of January 7, the working agenda is full for the next day, January 8.

In particular, the Russian leader will take part in the official ceremony of launching the TurkStream gas pipeline on Wednesday.

Putin travelled to Istanbul from Damascus where he had a meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, visited the headquarters of the Russian Armed Forces’ group in the country and driven along the streets of Damascus.[.]

Did the deranged orangeman not sanction or attempted to stop this pipeline?

LINK

ATHENS (Sputnik) - Greece and North Macedonia have begun receiving supplies of Russian gas via the TurkStream gas pipeline as of January 1, Vladimir Malinov, executive director of Bulgarian gas transmission

On Wednesday, Bulgarian gas company Bulgargaz reported that Russian gas supplies had begun arriving in Bulgaria under a deal with Russian gas giant Gazprom via the TurkStream pipeline, instead of the previously used transit route through Romania.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 8 2020 2:58 utc | 254

Thanks to Zarif. May his regional defense plan succeed.

And may the world become a world of peace makers, with no room for those who try to bully defenseless nations.

This has been a day to remember. This interested me from the Michael Hudson piece (which, I do apologize, I could not make heads or tails of. No economist, I.)

"...Congress endorsed Trump’s assassination and is fully as guilty as he is for having approved the Pentagon’s budget with the Senate’s removal of the amendment to the 2019 National Defense Authorization Act that Bernie Sanders, Tom Udall and Ro Khanna inserted an amendment in the House of Representatives version, explicitly not authorizing the Pentagon to wage war against Iran or assassinate its officials. When this budget was sent to the Senate, the White House and Pentagon (a.k.a. the military-industrial complex and neoconservatives) removed that constraint. That was a red flag announcing that the Pentagon and White House did indeed intend to wage war against Iran and/or assassinate its officials. Congress lacked the courage to argue this point at the forefront of public discussion..."

It gave me some hope that there might be an honest 'broker' in terms of Tom Udall, who is now a New Mexico senator. No doubt many will inform me of his fall from grace, especially as NM houses the Los Alamos lab just over the hill from me. I just wish he might be a better candidate for President than Bernie - Tom's dad was a pretty good egg.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 8 2020 2:58 utc | 255

@ Farquad 246

“Obsolete old rockets” with a range of 900 miles that attacked an air base without killing anyone. Some precise obsolescence, huh. Funny stuff.

And if that is the work of an obsolete rocket, US. better tremble at what new technology they might have.

I tend to agree this was a coordinated effort for both sides to save face based on the results of tonight’s attack. Question remains whether US will leave the region?

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 2:59 utc | 256

1. It is not plausible that the US suffered no casualties.

2. It is not plausible that the US was (apparently) unable to intercept any of the Iranian rockets/missiles.

3. It is not plausible that the US did not respond in some way to the attacks as they were happening.

The above 3 points give credence to the view that this is all kabuki and, also, to alternative theories that Khamenei wanted Solemani out of the way and actually colluded with the US to achieve this (I thought this was ridiculous when I heard this on "No Agenda" but, at present, I am not so sure). Have I just lost a couple of hours sleep over a fake event???

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 3:05 utc | 257

This was Iran's measured response (and Iraq's and also Yemen's, but in solidarity, not to upstage). Iran was, and remains, prepared to go all the way - into the complete destruction of the United States, even at the cost of its own nation, if this is where the road leads.

Sharmine Narwani explained on that interview at Renegade, Inc, that for those paying attention, Iran has always been this way. You cannot push this nation around. Sanctions were always in the US preserve, because the US owned the platform. But military matters are where the US is out of its depth.

The strikes on the US base produced casualties according to Iraqi sources. What the US chooses to lie about to preserve its face is its own affair. We'll know more soon enough.

If anyone pushes Iran this is what will happen. The only question remaining is how far Nasrallah's estimate of the commensurate response to Soleimani's murder will prove true. Personally, I have a lot of feeling for his equation to settle into all parties across the whole region now. And Iran has led the way to show that the US can be pushed back against, and can be pushed where you want it to go.

All of the region has now seen this proven true.

~~

To attempt to parse this event in terms of pretense or shadow-play is to miss the event entirely. This was life and death, offered equally by Iran, with no fear and no artifice - not one shred.

From the west will come much chickenshit "analysis" in the days to come, and sadly leaking into discussion threads everywhere. But anything less than full-on simply will not serve to measure what just happened.

The world has changed.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 3:06 utc | 258

Without desiring to depress anyone further, the two bases that were struck were the two bases visited by Pence and Trump recently. Presidents don't go to empty bases. Those visits are for PR and morale as well, so they tend to visit bases with the most, not the least, troops. Also one of those struck bases reportedly received additional troops in the past 24 hours. If I have read this, so has Iran's military. Casualty figures are likely to be distorted. There's a lot to pray about tonight.

Posted by: Bruce | Jan 8 2020 3:07 utc | 259

Trump's response (via Twitter, of course) to the attack:

All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

Its lack of bluster is quite strange. Either he's trying to downplay the attack or he's genuinely shaken.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 8 2020 3:08 utc | 260

i am sorry, but using the twitter example of trumps @257 - there is no way the usa did not suffer casualties and that the usa is going to continue to up the ante.. i wish it was different, but with a jackass like this for president offering that kind of response via twitter, there is just no other outcome moving forward here.. i wish it was different.. the guy is a bonafide idiot..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 3:16 utc | 261

A fool of fools opens his trap and removes all doubt:

UK will not rule out strike on Iran

...and while Jeremy Corbyn was hammered by the zionist media every single day of the campaign accused of anti-Semitism, not a peep in his defense; everyone here was at the time still fawning over Trump the anti-war guru.

Now we have two dingbats in power in the Axis of Anglo/Zionist evil, U.S./U.K./Israel, Trump, Boris...and let's not discount Netanyahoo although his successor will be no better.

I hope people wise up and nominate Sanders and send him to the White House. He's the only hope left for the planet; if the planet survives the rest of Trump's term.

Demand that Trump not retaliate against Iran's missile strikes! Flood White House email.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 3:17 utc | 262

Rossiyskaya Gazeta reproduces (in Russian) a message from the Syrian Presidency Telegram account: “The Twitter account of the press office of the President of Syrian Arab Republic has been blocked multiple times recently by Twitter administration and is now blocked without explanation after publishing news on President Putin’s visit to Damascus.” The Twitter account is, indeed, suspended as of now: https://twitter.com/Presidency_Sy.

Posted by: S | Jan 8 2020 3:20 utc | 263

With no mention of casualties and based on Trump and Zarif's respective tweets, within ~13 min of each other, I agree with the well-scripted kabuki theater theory. If this is the case, brilliant. The US can claim no one was killed and that it was pulling out anyway, Iran can claim that 100s of spooks were killed and that is got just retribution, and the US can get the f*ck out. The American serviceperson and taxpayer are all the better, and Soleimani's legacy is fulfilled. Surely not that easy, but it's nice to dream.

Posted by: HD | Jan 8 2020 3:23 utc | 264

twitter is only for pro american voices.. all other voices are silenced or removed.. typical usa social media outlet that others also use, until they are silenced like annie @ 17 posted earlier.. i get it is popular, but it definitely ain't free or unbiased..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 3:25 utc | 265

@james #258

Could you elaborate on how you read Trump's response? It seems like he's going out of his way to not be threatening at this point, which is the complete opposite of his behavior before the attack. The question is why. Either he's genuinely trying to de-escalate at this point - which means the attack caught the US quite off guard - or he's engaging in deception preceding another big escalation.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 8 2020 3:25 utc | 266

Iranian strike was ‘proportionate’ self-defense, no need for escalation or war – FM Zarif

If this is the extent of Iran's response then flying the red flag was meaningless.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 8 2020 3:25 utc | 267

@ cynica.. ifor this buffoon to come out and say 'all is well' is why i say he is fucking insane.. i think there is more escalation.. definitely... this was the concern all along.. neo cons want escalation.. iran responded and the usa under trump will respond back.. it is ongoing.. i would dearly love @ 261 HD and ADKC's comments earlier to be the correct version of what is going to happen here, but i just can't see that..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 3:29 utc | 268

Reports coming in, Ukrainian passenger jet with 180 passengers has crashed near Iran's Imam Khomeini airport. Cause unknown.

Can't speculate if this is related to recent events with Iran.

Posted by: David | Jan 8 2020 3:31 utc | 269

I agree, james, it's going to escalate. IMO, this was a good move of Iran's, but no matter what they did (including nothing) the US is going to escalate.

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 8 2020 3:33 utc | 270

The sh*t just hit the proverbial fan. It is wishful thinking to believe that this is anything but the beginning of a much larger war.

I still have to wonder about Putin being in Syria and Turkey. Was this a miscalculation? I would think that his safety would be somewhat in question under these circumstances.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 8 2020 3:35 utc | 271

PM Zarif @9:32pm:

Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense ... We do not seek escalation or war.

Trump @945pm:

All is well! ... Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good!

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 8 2020 3:37 utc | 272

James @265,

If Russia has disallowed the use of nukes, then there's not much the US military can do, no matter how bloodthirsty the Zionists are. As soon as the US hits Iran, Tel Aviv goes up in smoke. That's all there is to it. It's been this way for months and months now. The Israeli and US casualties required for a direct attack on Iran are just too high for Zionists to stomach. The use of nukes was the only viable play from the beginning (and I realize this is not really "viable" to any sane person, but Pompeo and Netanyahu are not sane.) If nukes are out, then the US cannot establish dominance over the skies quickly enough to prevent thousands upon thousands of Israeli and US casualties. It seems to me that everybody must know this is true, deep down.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 8 2020 3:39 utc | 273

David | Jan 8 2020 3:31 utc | 266:

It would explain the NOTAM. According to The Spectator Index, it was an Ukrainian Boeing 737 plane carrying 180 people that crashed near Tehran airport moments after take-off.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 8 2020 3:39 utc | 274

It's 14.41 AUS EST here while all you UTC barflies are asleep (5mm of rain last night in Western Sydney!!!). I'm flipping across the net for news but all I get is pollyanna reports from the MSM, which all represent the Iranian strike as Operation Underwhelming Response: no casualties and "All is Well!" from the Retard-in-Chief. Either there is a massive propaganda effort here to play down the retaliation as piddling stone-throwing from a tottering regime, or else the Iranians are simply gently probing or misdirecting ahead of something else. What is the chess analogy I'm looking for? It's definitely not 'check'. It does nevertheless feel like the pffft from a damp firecracker. What is Iran doing, b?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 8 2020 3:40 utc | 275

Boeing 737. Well, that could just be Boeing.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 8 2020 3:41 utc | 276

@259

A Jew? The president of the US? It is too late in the day for jokes, please.

Never.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 3:43 utc | 277

@ wj... what does trump say in his talk to the nation tomorrow then? hey - we knocked off their main military guy and they lobbed a bunch of missiles on our bases in iraq and we are going to cease and desist any further hostilities? it ain't possible... the usa-israel has been hell bent on a path of hostility for the past 40 years and it has only escalated in the past 5 with the jpoca and all the sanctions on iran... all that and trump is going to come out tomorrow and wave the peace flag? no.. he is going to declare open war on iran... i really wish it was different and i badly hope i am wrong, but i just can't see it any other way here... the usa-israel will keep turning the screws.... i can't see it any other way... i hope i am 100% wrong too..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 3:43 utc | 278

re WJ | Jan 8 2020 3:39 utc | 270
" If nukes are out, then the US cannot establish dominance over the skies quickly enough to prevent thousands upon thousands of Israeli and US casualties. It seems to me that everybody must know this is true, deep down."

Recall that Trump has suggested more than once that nuclear weapons be used to "stop hurricanes". Do you think he knows or understands the ramifications of using nuclear weapons against Iran?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 8 2020 3:44 utc | 279

WJ | Jan 8 2020 3:41 utc | 273:

LOL

Sputniknews reporting flight was from Tehran to Kyiv. Who was onboard the flight?

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 8 2020 3:45 utc | 280

HD @261

But it means that we (you and I) have to agree to live inauthentic lives, where people do die earlier then they should and are killed - not for anything meaningful but for something that is fake. And, in return for this inauthentic life, do we get peace and contentment? Do we get basic needs met? Are we protected from crime and abuse? No, we are just cattle and are treated as such.

Everything that we (you and I) do would not be real and would have no meaning - even reading this blog and writing our posts.

james @265 "would dearly love @ 261 HD and ADKC's comments earlier to be the correct version" but I think my comments are the worst possible "version" we could have.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 3:46 utc | 281

From all account, it seems a message was delivered. You have to hand the decision makers in IRI.

First, The shocking speed of the response eliminates any potential for false flag by the izies or any other party to make things worst.

second, it pulled the rug under Natanyahoo's feet, as to weaken his maneuvering the americans into bidding his dirty deeds, at least for near future.

Last, the US departure from ME, will have to hear what trumpster have to say tomorrow am in his address. likely Syria may be his first move. will see....

very ironic, the MSM announced trumps address to the nation scheduled for 8:45 pm edt, then cancelled just minutes before the time. If you followed the MSM cable, right after that they toned down the war rhetoric. You can say that was the slap in the face just to wake 'em up and settle 'em down.

Posted by: Rd | Jan 8 2020 3:47 utc | 282

Circe, 128

Dearie, it is NOT all about you.

Posted by: Realy?? | Jan 8 2020 3:48 utc | 283

james @275

If you are wrong will you concede that it is all fake?

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 3:49 utc | 284

Love this hashtag!

https://twitter.com/Cameo_65/status/1214740792348151809

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 3:50 utc | 285

@ james 275

Agreed.

People, the petrodollar is in jeopardy. Do you think that the Rothschild Army is just going to abandon shop and accept an economic depression? Abandon Israel surrounded by enemies that will attack in the absence of US forces?

Not going to happen. This is fight to the death. Stay tuned for bigger things to come.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 3:50 utc | 286

Re: Teheran crash.
We know whose side Mossad took during the Ukranian conflict, don't we?
Still, Israel desperately trying to pull Russia back to their side, although the gap will be getting wider between them.
Seems Teheran is full of Mossad tonight.
Time for a #lockdown, then #bodybags.

Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 8 2020 3:51 utc | 287

@281 adkc... i was aware of the rumour about "Khamenei wanted Solemani out" from 2 days ago via my friend in turkey.. i was shaking my head over that one, but i did share it on the previous thread and no one offered a response to it..

yes - i would be inclined to concede it is all fake if your scenario or HD's pans out here.. lets see what the idiot in chief has to say tomorrow..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 3:54 utc | 288

@ADKC 278. I hear you. Really. But if the cost of my living more of an "inauthentic life" in this context means others get to live their actual lives because they didn't loise them in another stupid, illegal, imperial regime change war for the ZioCons, I'll take it. I am a dual Iran-US citizen. War between the two has been my nightmare for 41 years. Peace.

Posted by: HD | Jan 8 2020 3:56 utc | 289

@james #265

Thanks for weighing in further. From here, it seems most likely that the US leadership is genuinely shaken up by Iran's attack. Maybe Iran just called the US's bluff. That would indicate that this situation is definitely not kabuki.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 8 2020 3:56 utc | 290

ADKC @278,

Perhaps some have romanticized the Iranian state on this board. "Leaders" everywhere want to save face and maintain the stability of their own power, and the kabuki theory makes sense on these grounds alone. No, it doesn't really settle anything. It allows the lies to continue. But I for one am legitimately torn between the desire to see the US humiliated and exposed--for the good of us all--and the desire that there be no further shedding of innocent Iraqi and Iranian blood. My fear is that such shedding will continue, in drips and drops, until the US *is* decisively humiliated. But I also would not be *unhappy* to see hot war avoided in the short term. It is a depressingly tangled situation.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 8 2020 3:57 utc | 291

WJ @270: Agreed, obvious from the beginning, even with nukes Iran's retaliation cannot be stopped. But we can't use nukes, there will be unpleasant consequences if we do.

I have thought it would come to this since they shot down the fancy drone. Iran will never have better leverage than they have now, all those handy nearby bases, if they give us time to wise up and adjust they lose the advantage, we can protect our assets better, so they have to push it now.

Putin is there to watch, and there is also the matter of Idlib to be dealt with now.

Something seems to have sobered the Beltway crowd up, and I doubt it was just a few missiles, lots of furtive movements going on in the bushes now. Tomorrow should be interesting.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 8 2020 3:59 utc | 292

@WJ Well-put. The empire is dying. Whatever it takes to survive its death throes I say.

Posted by: HD | Jan 8 2020 3:59 utc | 293

HD #261

I'll believe uncle sam when he is totally out of the middle east and netanyahoo and erdogan are in their graves.

Otherwise, we shall see when the sun rises each day from now until 2100. Meanwhile I mourn the murder of a brilliant diplomat and tactician that protected Iran and its neighbouring states to the best of his ability.

Vale Qasem Soleimani, Prince of Princes, protector of people, believer.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 4:00 utc | 294

What did Eisenhower warn you about the MIC ?

Every time there's threat of war, cui bono ?

https://www.mintpressnews.com/military-contractors-stock-prices-soar-amid-iran-crisis/263958/

Posted by: denk | Jan 8 2020 4:01 utc | 295

Meanwhile witness some China power.
Only hope of Israel's space programe, if they don't blow up on the launch pad, American Iron Man, Tesla CEO, E.Musk, dances a jig in front of Chinese leaders because "made in China" deal will keep him from going bankrupt.

That's how you fight wars! Go China!
New China TV: Tesla starts delivering Made in China.
https://youtu.be/Agq4_QaUXK8

Posted by: Qparticle | Jan 8 2020 4:03 utc | 296

: imo | Jan 8 2020 2:23 utc | 226

Well, if the Iranians don't have the equipment to flatten the US Indian Ocean Naval Base on Diego Garcia (Paradise Island) then they are likely to play it cool overall after a few token fireworks.


So Ya I know! Just like (Paradise Island) the Iranians will all stand at the shore and yell “the plane Boss, the plane.” Then they will get out their bows and arrows.

Or they could travel with less radar track than an F-35 and within oh a mile away from Diego Garcia fire a missile or two when all six B-52 are parked there.

You did know they have submarines, right? Like ones they could park off New York city and fire off 24 missiles before you can take another bite of that burger.

Now I am worried.

Posted by: diveshopingoa | Jan 8 2020 4:05 utc | 297

Here's a counterfactual for you: Soleimani was too effective and established a resistance network that interfered with plans to reintegrate Iran into the global shitshow. Elements of the Iranian leadership shopped him to US/Israeli intel and he was whacked. Now a little theatre to placate his fanbase in Iran, after which Trump and Khamenei resolve tensions, declare 'peace in our time', Iran welcomed back into a deal and Nobel Peace Prizes are delivered to DC and Tehran. Trump winning the Nobel Peace Prize. The thought makes me depressed and nauseous all at once, but if it happens I want bragging rights.

I hope little half-joke this remains fiction.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 8 2020 4:05 utc | 298

We are circling the drain now, just the way George Carlin predicted. The souls of this world have been demoted to mere commodities. Donald Trump is the symptom of this demotion of intellect and the value of life. On the PBS News Hour today they interviewed two scions of the forever wars, who had moved on to academia and the sinister think tank world. Two more vicious and implacable warmongers you couldn't find if you combed though the darkest corners of Hades. People who think we are watching Kabuki at this late date are deluding themselves.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 8 2020 4:06 utc | 299

@Bemildred #289

Something seems to have sobered the Beltway crowd up

Indeed. The first "oh shit" moment must've been when Iran downed that drone. This seems to be a second (and bigger) "oh shit" moment. Now the question is if B-52s from Diego Garcia will bomb those 52 targets (mind the air defenses), or if Trump was just bluffing there.

Posted by: Cynica | Jan 8 2020 4:08 utc | 300

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