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January 07, 2020

Blowback From The Soleimani Assassination Increases As Iraq Reveals How Trump Tried To Steal Its Oil

The blowback from Trump's assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis is increasing.  A scandal is developing as one consequence of Trump's evil deed after Iraq's Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi revealed the gangster methods U.S. President Trump used in his attempts to steal Iraq's oil. Below we follow today's development.

The mourning for the assassinated Iranian Major General Qassem Soleimani unfortunately caused even more suffering:

A stampede broke out Tuesday at a funeral for a top Iranian general killed in a U.S. airstrike, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said.

The stampede took place in Kerman, the hometown of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani, as the procession began, said the semi-official Fars and ISNA news agencies, citing Pirhossein Koulivand, head of Iran’s emergency medical services.

Helicopter video had earlier shown that the street of Kerman were densely crowded with mourners. The actual funeral has now been postponed.

A U.S. paid anti-Iranian propagandist has turned out to claim that Qassem Soleimani was not really popular in Iran. It is easy to debunk such nonsense by pointing to the University of Maryland which does regular polls in Iran. In October 2019 it found:

General Soleimani remains the most popular Iranian public figure among those tested, with eight in ten viewing him favorably. Second is Foreign Minister Zarif, viewed favorably by two thirds. ...

Also this from Professor Abukhalil:

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil - 17:29 UTC · Jan 6, 2020
This is the most stunning aspect of the rise of Iranian nationalism due to Trump’s decision to kill Suleimani. This would have been most unimaginable for many decades. The law of unintended consequences.
Quoted Tweet:
Roham Alvandi رهام الوندی @RohamAlvandiLSE -10:11 UTC · Jan 5, 2020
Ardeshir Zahedi, the foreign minister of Iran from 1966 to 1971 and the former son-in-law of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, describes Soleimani as a "patriotic and honourable soldier who was a son of Iran" and compares him to De Gaulle, Montgomery, MacArthur, and Eisenhower. Link to video.

This video from 2017 shows Soleimani consoling the daughter of a slain comrade at his funeral. Such scenes explain why Soleimani was so beloved.

The U.S. has denied Iran's Foreign Minister Jahvad Zarif a visa for a long planned visit to the UN in New York. Zarif responded by saying that he can talk to the U.S. people from Tehran. Today he proved that by giving a CNN interview:

Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif called US President Donald Trump's decision to order the drone strike that killed the country's top military commander an act of "state terrorism" in an interview with CNN Tuesday.
...
"This is an act of aggression against Iran and amounts to an armed attack against Iran, and we will respond. But we will respond proportionally not disproportionally," he said. "We will respond lawfully, we are not lawless people like President Trump."
...
The interview came as Iran's parliament voted unanimously for a motion declaring all US forces as "terrorists" on Tuesday, according to Iran's state-news agency IRNA. The vote took place during the country's parliamentary session Tuesday, IRNA reported. After the plan was approved, delegates chanted, "Death to America."

More death will come:

According to a report on Tuesday by the semi-official Tasnim news agency, Iran has worked up 13 sets of plans for revenge for Soleimani’s killing. The report quoted Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, as saying that even the weakest among them would be a “historic nightmare” for the U.S. He declined to elaborate,

“If the U.S. troops do not leave our region voluntarily and upright, we will do something to carry their bodies horizontally out,” Shamkhani said.

The Quds force, the external action arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp, received an additional budget of 200 million Euros. It will put that money to good use.

There are some 60 to 70.000 U.S. soldiers designated foreign terrorists on some 19 bases near Iran and on ships in nearby waters. That is  quite a lot of fish in just a few barrels.

Their commander in chief should ask himself if it is wise to keep them there.

The leader of a number of Iraqi Popular Militia Forces will meet in the next 48 hours to plan for the eviction of U.S. forces from Iraq should they not leave voluntarily. For security reasons the meeting was moved from Baghdad to Tehran.

North-Yemen held a quite large public mourning for Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. A Houthi minister held a speech during which he said:

"Soleimani's blood .. will turn into intercontinental missiles .. to destroy US warships and end US regional presence"

U.S. war ships will certainly have to avoid Yemen's coast.

The removal of U.S. troops from the region was also the theme of Sunday's speech by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon. It seems clear that the Resistance Axis will work on the project in a coordinated manner.

Trump said he would ask Iraq to pay for the bases the U.S. has built should the U.S. troops be kicked out of Iraq. The U.S. already has binding legal agreements with Iraq which stipulate that the bases, and all fixed installations the U.S. has built there, are the property of Iraq.


Trump had already asked Iraqi Prime Ministers -twice- if the U.S. could get Iraq's oil as reward for invading and destroying their country. The requests were rejected. Now we learn that Trump also uses gangster methods (ar) to get the oil of Iraq. The talk by the Iraqi Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi happened during the recent parliament session in Iraq (machine translation):

Al-Halbousi, Speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives, blocked the speech of Mr. Abdul Mahdi in the scheduled session to discuss the decision to remove American forces from Iraq.

At the beginning of the session, Al-Halbousi left the presidential seat and sat next to Mr. Abdul-Mahdi, after his request to cut off the live broadcast of the session, a public conversation took place between the two parties. The voice of Adel Abdul Mahdi was raised.

Mr. Abdul Mahdi spoke with an angry tone, saying:

"The Americans are the ones who destroyed the country and wreaked havoc on it. They are those who refuse to complete building the electrical system and infrastructure projects. They have bargained for the reconstruction of Iraq in exchange for giving up 50% of Iraqi oil imports, so I refused and decided to go to China and concluded an important and strategic agreement with it, and today Trump is trying to cancel this important agreement."

The American President's threatened the Iraqi Prime Minister to liquidate him directly with the Minister of Defense. The Marines are the third party that sniped the demonstrators and the security men:

Abdul Mahdi continued:

"After my return from China, Trump called me and asked me to cancel the agreement, so I also refused, and he threatened me with massive demonstrations that would topple me. Indeed, the demonstrations started and then Trump called, threatening to escalate in the event of non-cooperation and responding to his wishes, so that the third party (Marines snipers) would target the demonstrators and security forces and kill them from the highest structures and the US embassy in an attempt to pressure me and submit to his wishes and cancel the China agreement, so I did not respond and submitted my resignation and the Americans still insist to this day on canceling the China agreement and when the defense minister said that who kills the demonstrators is a third party, Trump called me immediately and physically threatened me and defense minister in the event of talk about the third party."

The reliable Based Cat in Iraq seems to confirm the timeline:

TØM CΛT @TomtheBasedCat - 4:00 UTC · Jan 7, 2020
Yes a 50-person delegation visited China in 2019 and then the protests started on October 1st until the Arbaeen dates, then picked up again on Oct 25th. I'm skeptical about the 3rd party but the timing itself was interesting. The flames were fanned by Gulf media and Al-Hurra.

Al-Hurra is a U.S. government financed Arab language TV outlet.

Southfront has a similar report, seemingly from a different source, with some additional context.

While this talk has not yet been confirmed it does sounds highly plausible.


The chicken-hawks of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, who have all lobbied the U.S. for war on Iran, now fear the consequences:

Gulf Arab states, potential targets for retaliation after the U.S. assassinated Iran’s top general, are working on multiple tracks to try to keep tensions between Tehran and Washington from building into a military confrontation.

Earlier today Russia's President Vladimir Putin arrived in Damascus for talks with the Syria's President Assad. Could there also be a meeting between Putin and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah? Putin will next go to Turkey to inaugurate the gas pipeline between Russia and Turkey.

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@ David #89 with attack alert

Confirmed at ZH as well

Iran Fires "Tens Of Missiles" At US Airbase In Iraq

They were at update 5 when I left them to construct this comment. Looks like a serious push of US troop out of the region.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2020 23:38 utc | 101

The term "tactical" nuclear weapon is really a misnomer when applied to the B61 nuclear weapons forward deployed by NATO in Europe and Turkey.

The B61 gravity nuclear bomb can have a maximum explosive power of 170,000 tons of high explosive or 170 kilotons.

NATO uses two variants or models of the B61; according to Hans Kristensen, these are the B61 model 3 and the B61 model 4. Because the B61 is a variable yield weapon, meaning its explosive power can be selected at the time of its use, it is more correct to list a range of yields. (Hence, they are nicknamed "Dial-A-Yield" weapons.)

The B61 model 3. or B61-3 has a range of explosive power from 300 tons (0.3 kilotons), 1500 tons (1.5 kilotons), 60,000 tons (60 kilotons), or 170,000 tons (170 kilotons).

The B61 model 4, or B61-4, has a range of explosive power from 300 tons (0.3 kilotons), 1500 tons (1.5 kilotons), 10,000 tons (10 kilotons), and 50,000 tons (50 kilotons).

see https://media.nti.org/documents/NTI_NATO_RPT_Web.pdf page 24

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 7 2020 23:42 utc | 102

The video of the missiles taking off from ground in the attack of Al Asad base seems to have been removed from Twitter, but I could see it during some seconds and those rockets/missiles where slooow moving, they were not the classical small katyusa rockets volley in quick sucession, it seems much more heavy ammo (at least 200mm rocket), so the damages must be much bigger
We'll see

Posted by: DFC | Jan 7 2020 23:42 utc | 103

DeQuincey @71

I'm sorry you misinterpreted the post I reposted from the Saker blog. I believe this is what will happen, not what I want to happen. I have been horrified by The Evil Empires spread of death and destruction across the global through out my entire 72 years on this planet. I have been fighting my counties atrocities since the protest of the Vietnam War in the 60's. As I have said in previous posts, I'm sorry that the psychos that run this country are sending thousands more servicemen off to be canon fodder in this folly. Having said that, I'm no more concerned about the fate of my own countrymen than those of the countries we will be destroying. I often think the best thing for the World would be for someone to bomb DC. I'm sorry to say that but sometimes I think that is the only way.

The majority of the people of this country do not want war and have been voting for presidents that promise to end the wars. But as soon as they get to Washington, they and our Congress increase defense budgets, extend the existing wars and open up new ones. THE USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. It is run by Global Oligarchs and we the people are their slaves. I keep hoping us slaves will pick up our torches and pitchforks and throw the criminals out. That means almost all of DC where most our representatives are either part of the pay-to-play or compromised thru our "intelligence" agencies. It's a sorry state, but it's the way it is. After all, our own government assassinate John Kennedy and his brother Bobby, as well as Martin Luther King. September 11 was an inside job pulled off and covered up by our government and other "allies" and their respective intelligence agencies.

The only promising thing is that The Evil Empire is going to collapse financially in the not too distant future. And even with that, it will take down the rest of the global economy. Russia will fair better than most. My sincere apologies to the rest of the World for ALL the sins my country has brought upon you.

Posted by: lgfocus | Jan 7 2020 23:42 utc | 104

Why do you all now quote this ZH? I found it strange...

Had not been proved a disinfo op?

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 7 2020 23:49 utc | 105

DFC | Jan 7 2020 23:42 utc | 101

see press tv

Like I said. It's on.

Bless us all... Think I like Doctor Strangelove better n this.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 7 2020 23:51 utc | 106

I'm just adding this report from PressTV to the previous comments:

"IRGC targets US airbase in western Iraq"
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/07/615621/IRGC-Ain-al-Assad-airbase-Anbar-province-

So now the exceptionals are going to say that zero damage was done to save face. Or they are going to use it as their gaslight starting point for programming the public for war.

Posted by: SharonM | Jan 7 2020 23:52 utc | 107

Well folks, all bets are off. Iran took option B.

I wish peace upon the world and hope for the cooler heads to prevail. Maybe it’s too late.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 7 2020 23:54 utc | 108

Iran really only has the option of how to hit first. The statements by Trump and his allegiance to Bibi makes it a certainty that he will attack Iran sooner or later.

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 7 2020 23:57 utc | 109

Can someone confirm these websites are up? It seems I can't open them:

http://thesaker.is
https://russia-insider.com
https://southfront.org

Posted by: Abe | Jan 7 2020 23:57 utc | 110

@ abe.. they work for me..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 0:01 utc | 111

psychohistorian @88--

What was your take on "Debt Wish 2020"?

Jezabeel @82--

"U.S. Economic Warfare and Likely Foreign Defenses" provides numerous methods besides simply the cessation of dollar use for international commercial transactions. Along with watching the "Debt Wish 2020" vid linked above, I also suggest reading/watching this program. And lastly, I suggest reading this analysis here, although it only tangentially deals with your question.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 0:02 utc | 112

Same here, abe.

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 8 2020 0:03 utc | 113

Argh, supposed to be agreeing with James about abe's question.

Posted by: Sorghum | Jan 8 2020 0:04 utc | 114

@ karlof1 about the Keiser/Hudson interview....see my comment to you at #331 in "Axis of Resistance..." thread

Too OT for here and know, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 8 2020 0:07 utc | 115

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 0:01 utc | 109

Thank you, got paranoid. Restarted home router and it works now.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 8 2020 0:08 utc | 116

Yes, the attacks are confirmed by Iranian media. I presume they began as soon as the liars Esper and Pompeo concluded lying to the media. I now presume we'll soon discover just how good Iran's air defences are. Strikes ought to be very accurate given likelihood of target spotters.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 0:13 utc | 117

It is difficult to say how much of the problem accessing PressTV is just the standard bandwidth choke which PressTV always has to endure, exacerbated by much higher numbers of people accessing it and how much is some sorta 5 eyes clampdown cause of the missile attack.
I normally watch Presstv every morning with my wheaties but after my daughter rang me about 20 minutes ago to tell me Iran had kicked off, it has been extraordinarily difficult to get the live Press channel. I had no problem with their twitter feed but just cannot get it live for more than about 30 secs at a time.

Posted by: A User | Jan 8 2020 0:14 utc | 118

It is hot in Iraq, even though it is midnight and winter.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 0:15 utc | 119

Follow @Brasco_Aad he has the intel.. #Soleimani

https://twitter.com/lozion/status/1214701977898225666?s=21

Second wave inbound..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 8 2020 0:17 utc | 120

US soldiers need to run away quickly from this hell, they are merely cannon fodder now

Where are the AWACS, Patriots, Aegis when you really need them?

Posted by: DFC | Jan 8 2020 0:18 utc | 121

The video of the second wave is terrifying!

https://twitter.com/Tweeterist_

Posted by: SharonM | Jan 8 2020 0:21 utc | 122

Iraq needs the S-400. It detects bacillus on the F-35 nose tips.

Posted by: Deathevokation | Jan 8 2020 0:22 utc | 123

That's MRLS, short range.. unrelated (i think)

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 8 2020 0:27 utc | 124

It seems that dozens of US fighters are scrambling from UAE and Turkey, we now will see how good the Iranian air defenses are. Pnetagon says they are taking "counter-measures"

Here we go

Posted by: DFC | Jan 8 2020 0:29 utc | 125

One of the propaganda points the US administration constantly repeats is that Brigadier General Qasem Soleimani is a UN designated terrorist. After much scratching around we find a consolidated list of persons sanctioned via a variety of UN Security Councils Resoltions of various dates.

United Nations Security Council Consolidated List
Generated on: 7 January 2020
"Generated on refers to the date on which the user accessed the list and not the last date of substantive update to the list. Information on the substantive list updates are provided on the Council / Committee’s website."
Composition of the List
The list consists of the two sections specified below:
A. Individuals
B. Entities and other groups

IRi.039 Name: 1: QASEM 2: SOLEIMANI 3: na 4: na
Title: na Designation: a) Brigadier General b) Commander of Qods force DOB: 11 Mar. 1957 POB: Qom, Iran (Islamic Republic of) Good quality a.k.a.: Qasim Soleimani; Qasem Sulaimani; Qasim Sulaimani; Qasim Sulaymani; Qasem Sulaymani; Kasim Soleimani; Kasim Sulaimani; Kasim Sulaymani Low quality a.k.a.: Haj Qasem; Haji Qassem; Sardar Soleimani Nationality: na Passport no: number 008827, issued in Iran (Islamic Republic of) National identification no: na Address: na Listed on: 24 Mar. 2007 (amended on 17 Dec. 2014)
Other information: Promoted to Major General, retaining his position as Commander of Qods force. [Old Reference # I.47.D.6]

As far as I can see, the only mention of Soleimani is in relation to the Iran nuclear agreement, which is authorised in Security Council resolution 1737 and 1747. Soleimani wasn't listed in 1737, but was added to the list in 1747. Salient extracts are below.

Soleimani is mentioned solely in respect to people who may possibly be involved in developing a missile delivery system for nuclear weapons. Which Iran denies they has done, or would do. (Current defensive missiles don't meet the spec. to be able to deliver nukes.)

All it does is (a) restrict his travel (except for religous obligations); (b) freeze any assets he may have overseas

The most important point is that on expiry of the agreement term - coming up - Soleimani's travel would be unrestricted, and he could acquire financial assets overseas. That's it.

But USA conflates the UN nuclear materials travel and asset ban on Solemani with their own domestic designation of him as a terrorist.(Such US designation is my assumption - I haven't checked).

If there are UN Security Council resolutions naming him as a terrorist, I would be interested to have the link.


https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/589783?ln=en

United Nations S/RES/1737 (2006)*
Security Council Distr.: General
27 December 2006
06-68142* (E)
*0668142*
Resolution 1737 (2006)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 5612th meeting, on
23 December 2006

12. Decides that all States shall freeze the funds, other financial assets and economic resources which are on their territories at the date of adoption of this resolution or at any time thereafter, that are owned or controlled by the persons or entities designated in the Annex, as well as those of additional persons or entities designated by the Security Council or by the Committee as being engaged in, directly associated with or providing support for Iran’s proliferation sensitive nuclear activities or the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems, or by persons or entities acting on their behalf or at their direction, or by entities owned or controlled by them, including through illicit means,

and that the measures in this paragraph shall cease to apply in respect of such persons or entities if, and at such time as, the Security Council or the Committee removes them from the Annex,

and decides further that all States shall ensure that any funds, financial assets or economic resources are prevented from being made available by their nationals or by any persons or entities within their territories, to or for the benefit of these persons and entities

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Resolution 1747 (2007)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 5647th meeting on
24 March 2007

2. Calls upon all States also to exercise vigilance and restraint regarding the
entry into or transit through their territories of individuals who are engaged in,
directly associated with or providing support for Iran’s proliferation sensitive
nuclear activities or for the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems, and
decides in this regard that all States shall notify the Committee established pursuant to paragraph 18 of resolution 1737 (2006) (herein “the Committee”) of the entry into or transit through their territories of the persons designated in the Annex to resolution 1737 (2006) or Annex I to this resolution, as well as of additional persons designated by the Security Council or the Committee as being engaged in, directly associated with or providing support for Iran’s proliferation sensitive nuclear activities or for the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems, including through the involvement in procurement of the prohibited items, goods, equipment, materials and technology specified by and under the measures in paragraphs 3 and 4 of resolution 1737 (2006),...

3. Underlines that nothing in the above paragraph requires a State to refuse
its own nationals entry into its territory, and that all States shall, in the
implementation of the above paragraph, take into account humanitarian considerations, including religious obligations

13 (b) that it shall terminate the measures specified in paragraphs 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
and 12 of resolution 1737 (2006) as well as in paragraphs 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 above as
soon as it determines, following receipt of the report referred to in paragraph 12
above, that Iran has fully complied with its obligations under the relevant
resolutions of the Security Council and met the requirements of the IAEA Board of
Governors, as confirmed by the IAEA Board;

ANNEX 1
Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps key persons
6. Brigadier General Qasem Soleimani (Commander of Qods force)


https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/589783?ln=en

Posted by: powerandpeople | Jan 8 2020 0:31 utc | 126

putin is in turkey having flown there from syria. the US is flying out of its turkish base. i am relieved putin stationed the ustinov nearby.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Jan 8 2020 0:33 utc | 127

The aim:

"Qani said: The US bases in Iraq will be erased."

And we also may discover if Russia does have Iran's back in case the Evil Outlaw US Empire employs nukes. The updates are very rapid, too fast to even try and keep up.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 0:34 utc | 128

"The ruling class of both the US and Canada have similar interests and are globalists, not nationalists." sleepy@67
That was just as true in 1967 as it is now. What has changed in Canada is that it is now much easier to sell the public the idea that the US state is their friend- the Tories who voted for Diefenbaker knew better than this, as did the New Democrats who voted for Tommy Douglas and most of the Liberals too. One change has been the Free trade agreements which were widely distrusted when introduced and have led to the de-industrialisation and impoverishment that critics predicted- they are now, however, backed by all the political parties.
It is a very complex issue but one factor always forgotten today is that, in 1967, most Canadians had a very healthy cynicism over American claims and regarded the United States as both a crude bully and a paper tiger. Another, of course, is that there is no draft in the US: during the Vietnam war those seeking asylum in Canada constituted a veritable brain drain. Some of the very best and brightest moved up here and earned a sincere welcome by making important contributions in every area. And nobody had more contempt for US warmongering and propaganda-and more influence, than these 'draft dodgers' and 'deserters.'

Posted by: bevin | Jan 8 2020 0:34 utc | 129

How do you like your damn Trump now???? Since the beginning I warned you he was out to destroy Iran; that Iran was next after Syria, and that he was just furthering the agenda to go after the big prize. He finally found a way to ignite WAR! I wrote it was not a question of IF, but WHEN, but noooh, I was just suffering from from TDS. Right???

Damn your f....cking Trump!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:38 utc | 130

JaZ #39

Maybe they are already there. I would imagine the Iran government and military are advanced in their planning for a conflict. The recent naval exercises may have presented opportunities for cargo deliveries too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 0:40 utc | 131

Well, I was wrong, guess it's on. We'll see how far it escalates, who alines with who.

Posted by: ben | Jan 8 2020 0:42 utc | 132

The ZH reporting keeps saying that all the strikes are origination in Iran.

What are other outlets reporting as where the strikes are coming from?

Yes, CIrce, your life view is still TDS constrained We have a social structural problem in the West and getting rid of Trump does not fix it. Are you going to become a rabid Zionist next, if Trump goes? Try to add some value here, please.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 8 2020 0:45 utc | 133

It's not just Iran. Likely Iraqi PMU involved to as MLRs and other artillery are in use and a vast number of bases are being targeted. A warning to all regional states was issued by Iran promising their nations will be attacked if Evil Empire forces are launched from there, which is actually a repeat of a previous warning when Iran downed the drone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 0:48 utc | 134

I can't find any reliable source confirming strikes are coming from Iran. US claims can be ignored for now.

Videos show launching of larger ballistic missiles (100+ km range probably), not short range Grad types.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 8 2020 0:50 utc | 135

Circe: get real, 3/4 of the US Congress would start a war with Iran if elected president, and this obviously also goes for Hillary Clinton - just like it went for John McCain. Frankly, the less awful option might have been to have Obama being able to run for a 3rd mandate - the JCPOA would still be there, he wouldn't have tried to become buddy with Putin but wouldn't launch a war either, and he wouldn't have involved the US more into Syria, knowing well how a huge mess it had become.
Right now, I can only see a handful of worthy US politicians when it comes to foreign policy - Gabbard and Sanders obviously, and then people like Kunicich and Paul (for his foreign policy realism, some of his libertarian domestic policies are utterly bonkers).

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 8 2020 0:51 utc | 136

karlof1 @132
“A warning to all regional states was issued by Iran promising their nations will be attacked if Evil Empire forces are launched from there,”

I heard that US planes are leaving from Turkey, are they going to attack Turkey?

Posted by: Stever | Jan 8 2020 0:52 utc | 137

RT confirms second wave of missiles have hit Al Asad again, it seems iranians want obliterate completely the US base. At least 7 big missiles have hit again Al Asad

Posted by: DFC | Jan 8 2020 0:54 utc | 138

@131

I don't need a private finance broken record preaching to me who I am and what I think. The truth is that I have been right all along about Trump wanting to destroy Iran. And FYI, I mistakenly posted links of the Iranian strike on the previous thread when it first started!

And as far as I'm concerned there is only the cultish Trump Delusion Syndrome.

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126 karlof1

Please name one example where Russia had Iran's back (not including UNSC vetoes AFTER Trump tore up the JCPOA).

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 0:55 utc | 139

Zionistan has jets over Golan. I bet Syria was on high alert and its S-300s and Russia's S-400s are all ready to shoot anything hostile. Don't know if that will include intrusions by Imperial jets over Eastern Syria, but might. There really aren't any air defenses within Iraq other than AAA and manpads. This just reported:

"Iraqi source: Numerous US Fighter Aircraft inside Ain al Assad base have been evaporated by Iranian missiles."

As noted, the attack commenced at the same time Soleimani was targeted and killed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 0:56 utc | 140

is the ain assad air base the one trump was saying iraq would have to pay for if usa left?

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 0:58 utc | 141

@ karlof1... do you know the approx local time for both of these events? 2 am? anyone? thanks..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 0:59 utc | 142

Just in:

"Iraqi PMU announces the start of military operation

رد فعل ساحق

aka

'overwhelming response"'"

So, we have a joint response as promised by both Iran and Iraq.

Turkey at last look was actually allied with Iran, so I doubt it will be attacked.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:01 utc | 143

Putin,I fear, will do nothing,eventhough Soleimani helped them defeat the terrorists who otherwise would had migrated to Russia...

Do not forget that Putin received a tip-off from the US..just before the killing of Soleimani..

They simply will remain aside and then reap the beneffits...that´s all...at least according with Valdai "expert" Maxim A. Suchkov...

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:02 utc | 144

CNN just reported a second wave launched from Iran. Could be full on war. Hope not..

We'll find out about the efficacy of Iran's warfare capability.

I don't believe the U$A thinks they are dangerous. Arab armies have a bad reputation for conducting warfare.

We'll see. The crazy SOB has finally done it.. Worked so well for other "elected" officials, guess he figured, hell, might work for me too..

Definitely puts impeachment on hold.

Posted by: ben | Jan 8 2020 1:02 utc | 145

i think russia has said any nuclear attack on iran will be met with a response from russia.. correct me if i have that wrong..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 1:03 utc | 146

: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 0:56 utc | 138

Either the clown goes nuke or there's a "change in leadership", that would be nice, but it'll probably be both.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 1:03 utc | 147

Kurdistan getting its:

"US consulate in Irbil, Iraq under constant rocket/missile attack."

Was Putin informed is a good question. IMO he was.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:04 utc | 148

@146 Strange timing for him to be in Syria if this was expected.

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 8 2020 1:06 utc | 149

@Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 0:59 utc | 140

It happened at the exact time Soleimani was targetted by the US...1:32 am...if i do not recall bad

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:06 utc | 150

ben--Iranians are PERSIANS

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:06 utc | 151

thanks sasha..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 1:07 utc | 152

Not sure whats true at this point. If Iran is indeed behind the missile attacks they will pay the price. Hoped they could restrain themselves and make it harder on the US to escalate. But then again, maybe they felt it was inevitable or militant factions from within demanded a response. Anyways, lesson being if you commit an act of war don't be surprised there is retaliation. Pretty sure Trump and Bibi are not unhappy about this since thats probably what they hoped for.

Posted by: Pft | Jan 8 2020 1:07 utc | 153

This is a brilliant response by Iran and Iraq.

If we're all alive by morning - and we may not be - subsequent analysis and events will show just how the US has been called out.

We've long said that the US had a big SLAP coming to it. This is it. Because the world has changed. No more bullying.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:07 utc | 154

ben | Jan 8 2020 1:02 utc | 143

They're Persians. They are the people that invented war. But you're right, the suits are delusional. Reality can be a real bitxh when one awakens from a delusion. That's a dangerous moment, when the suspension of disbelief goes "poof!"

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 1:08 utc | 155

I understand that the Iraqi PMFs have announced the start of "Operation overwhelming Force". Iranian attacks on US bases immediately followed by an uprising.

I am shocked by the apparent inability of the US to adequately defend it's bases. The trillions of dollars spent on military equipment obviously wasn't on air defence systems!

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 1:08 utc | 157

Lozion, I was wondering similar. Why would Iranians retaliate when Putin is still (apparently) in Damascus? Perhaps Putin will get on a plane back to Russia, or delegate duties to Shoigu?

Posted by: David | Jan 8 2020 1:10 utc | 158

see twitter for "Brasco_Aad"

example>
Brasco_Aad
‏ @Brasco_Aad
6m6 minutes ago

The moment that braindead zio-worshipping Idiot Trump orders strikes on Teheran.

Iran will take out US bases in Kuwait, Saudia, UAE and Bahrain and all US Naval assets in the Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea & the Indian Ocean.

You saw what Iran did to US bases in Iraq.
0 replies 1 retweet 10 likes


Oh well, obviously fake news, right?

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 1:10 utc | 159

Circe, you have won the prize four days and counting, you look like a broken record. Please, for someone who should hate to have been right you look like you actually enjoy it. Please try to keep up.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Jan 8 2020 1:10 utc | 160

Any US aircraft carriers within range of Iranian missiles?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 8 2020 1:11 utc | 161

Arab armies aren't very good at conducting warfare.

Iranians aren't Arabs, they are a branch of Indo-European/Aryan, who historically have been very good at conducting warfare.

It wouldn't surprise me if American leadership is ignorant enough to view them as Arabs, and underestimate them.

Posted by: J-Dogg | Jan 8 2020 1:11 utc | 162

Meanwhile in Syria:

"News about the start of the evacuation by the American occupation forces of the Al-Omar oil field and the Koniko gas plant in the countryside of Deir Ezzor, and heading to the illegal Al-Shaddadi base in the southern Hasaka countryside."

Yeah, I'd imagine all Evil Outlaw US Empire forces are bugging out at this moment as their current locations are well known.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:12 utc | 163

Assuming Putin was aware of what was going to come down, why would he choose to be in Syria when it happened? I would think this would be setting off major alarm bells in Moscow?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 8 2020 1:12 utc | 164

Circe, short of WWII, which by now its the easiest guess for everyone, could you please look deep into your Crystal Ball and tell us all here what do you see?

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Jan 8 2020 1:15 utc | 165

Professor Marandi warns:

Everyone should immediately leave the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and other counties where US bases are seen as a threat to Iran. If the Trump regime makes a foolish move, these regimes will be held responsible, considered hostile entities, attacked with full force, and destroyed

https://twitter.com/s_m_marandi/status/1214715967328129024

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:15 utc | 166

@Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 202o:07 utc | 152

Even if we are not alive by morning this is worth being lived, at least from my point of view, simply, I am not willing to continue living with such rogue state unleashed at its own...

The fact that it has to be Iran on its own who oppossed some force against the bully is a shame for all the international community, including alleged superpowers, China and Russia, the EU is a zombie which probably will be made conscious of its current state after this unleash a blow on Europe of unknown proportions....

I will probably suffer form that...but as said, worth it, if the US goes with us to the precipice, dammit!
What I would regret is that Russia then beneffits from all this by getting aside...not a good prognosis, I fear, for the future of those who will remain alive...Too liberal...too mean...as if nothing would have changed...Good luck...

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:17 utc | 167

PressTV film of attack:

"LIVE 🔴 🇮🇷 JUST IN 🇮🇷 🔴 PRESS TV EXCLUSIVE First #IRGC footage emerges showing #Iran missiles targeting #AinAlAssad airbase in #Iraq in response to General #Soleimani's assassination. #GeneralSoleimani #DecisiveResponse #SoleimaniAssassination"

I hope this is good enough confirmation for doubters from my initial post that this was indeed an Iranian attack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:18 utc | 168

@165 Sasha

je suis Soleimani

nous sommes tous Soleimani...

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:20 utc | 169

This reminds me of this scene....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMe71Lvy1lA

Vamos, que nos vamos!

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:23 utc | 170

Reports of a 3rd wave inbound. Jesus Iran is serious..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 8 2020 1:27 utc | 171

@164 - "...other countries where US bases are seen as a threat to Iran"

And Turkey closed Incirlik against US warfaring the other day didn't it? Very smart move.

~~

And how useful to be dealing with people of education, from whom words carry meaning.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:27 utc | 172

Vasca da Gama @163

Circe has earned the right to crow.

What will happen? The financial markets are going haywire - the US needs to control this quickly or the entire western financial system is going to evaporate before our eyes (it may be too late).

If US planes are flying out to attack Iran then they may be in for a surprise - the Iranians may well have a far better air defence system than planned. If so then the US will have lost as Russia and China will not accept use of nukes.

The US will be compelled to settle on terms favourable to Iran and Iraq.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 1:29 utc | 173

The last report had Putin in Turkey to formally launch TurkStream with one of Russia's most powerful warships parked at Istanbul.

New IRGC Warning:

"'We warn Washington of any aggression or other move against Iran that will face an even more painful and harsher response form us, and we call on the American people to summon your soldiers from the region to prevent further losses.'"

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:29 utc | 174

Abe #133

From various sources I have read I get the impression that there is an onslaught locally AND from Iran on those bases. I assume they will be occupied by Iraqi forces in the coming hours even if just for the photo op as I am sure the Iraqis are not wanting to be cannon fodder for attacking US aircraft. From what I read there were helicopter evacuations prior to the attacks and I guess many planes evacuated to other Middle east bases (including Incirclic). Those planes are scrambled now it seems and likely to keep away from incoming attack possibilities. Mind you I am not sure Incirclic is immune from the odd stray rocket.

Clueless Joe #134

Exactly that :)

Unique time in the USA with Tulsi Gabbard an anti-war candidate challenging the war machinery in both parties combined with strident advocacy from her and Sanders to rebuild the USA social fabric and social enterprises. Interesting year 2020.

peace in the world

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 1:30 utc | 175

Posted by: David | Jan 8 2020 1:10 utc | 156

I hope Gersimov stayed at Moscow central command and takes over...while Putin travells and goes to mass...

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:33 utc | 176

Putin is already in Istanbul and was supposed to meet Erdogan tomorrow (well, today) for the opening of the Turkstream pipeline - just check the Kremlin's website. This also means that there's no way Iran would hit US interests in Turkey as long as he's there; I doubt they'll hit them whatever, since US jets are allegedly not in Incirlik anymore.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 8 2020 1:33 utc | 177

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 1:08 utc | 153

They don't need to be that good. They have decentralised war. They have an escalation ladder where they hit the US in Iraq hard and if the US respond then Iran and/or local proxies will hit US allies ie gulfies and Israel, maybe US troups in Afghanistan. It is a war cascade. The US cannot stop the cascade actively only passively by not doing anything.
It needed a fool in the White House to get this far.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 8 2020 1:33 utc | 178

"State media: Iranian Air Defense downs US Jet near Bandar Abbas on the Persian Gulf."
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1214721053341233158

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:34 utc | 179

Arab armies aren't very good at conducting warfare.

Iranians aren't Arabs, they are a branch of Indo-European/Aryan, who historically have been very good at conducting warfare.
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This ignores history. For example, in recent decades Italians were much less militarily minded than their Roman ancestors. Similarly, Danes today are not similar to folks who conquered half of England 1100 years ago and the whole of England decades later, only to loose it to Frenchified Danes afterwards.

To provide examples from the Syrian war, 100% Arab Lebanese Hezbollah were reputed to be most effective, and getting less casualties that other units. By the way of contrast, units of Afghan volunteers assembled by Iran were so-so. And ISIS was most effective if you count their numbers, although with a lot of casualties. Syrian themselves had good elite units and many more mediocre units.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 1:34 utc | 180

Vamos a morir todos, LOL!

As he would say the good of Chávez,Al Carajo con todo!

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:35 utc | 181

It is the monetary system which is the second battlefield as this carnage begins to unfold!

Perhaps the Comex gold warehousing swindle is about to blow up and hundreds of trillions of dollars in oil derivatives will destroy the banksters.

The Persian sword should also be aimed at the banking system!

Posted by: Ric G | Jan 8 2020 1:37 utc | 182

uncle tungsten #173

I expected somewhat Iran would use plausible dependability (attack via proxy only from Iraq) but they took all responsibility already. They have no reason not to attack from Iran.

There are sources Incirlik is not hosting US planes any more, they have been moved to Jordan.

Also, Iran has no reason to attack anywhere except Iraq yet, they issued warning to hosting nations they will be targeted only if US attacks from bases they host.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 8 2020 1:37 utc | 183

@163 Vasco da Gama

could you please look deep into your Crystal Ball and tell us all here what do you see?

I see bone-spurs Trump shitting his pants, and Netanyahoo and Lindsay peeing with glee.

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@159 Perimetr

USS Abraham Lincoln is in the Arabian Sea and was kept out of Persian Gulf Strait of Hormuz not to be caught as sitting duck.

Unfortunately, here is what the U.S. military has prepared in the area to satisfy Trump's infantile obsession.

How U.S. prepared for the Worst

Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2020 1:38 utc | 184

Brent's already up 3.5% having broke $70.

USA just lost its first jet:

"State media: Iranian Air Defense downs US Jet near Bandar Abbas on the Persian Gulf."

The info is coming so fast it's crazy to try and keep pace, although it appears there's a break at present.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:39 utc | 185

176

Did I say they needed to be good? Of course they are. Yes, is cascade. Totally in line with the logic of empire, and stupid...gunna hairlip everybody on Bear Creek...if you recall the phrase from Strangelove.

BTW, they say (twitter) that the Persian Air Force shot down a Yankee airplane. How Jolly...

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 1:39 utc | 186

a tweet (so not reliable)
#BREAKING: First video showing a Fateh-110 precision guided ballistic missile of #IRGC hitting the Ain al-Asad Air Base in #Iraq during Operation #Soleimani of #IRGCASF.#IRGC sources claim they have destroyed several #USArmy helicopters & drones & have killed 80 #US troops there!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 1:44 utc | 187


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No explanation required.

Posted by: tucenz | Jan 8 2020 1:45 utc | 188

Have they taken down Brasco's twitter feed?

Posted by: Vato | Jan 8 2020 1:45 utc | 189

Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:34 utc | 177:

Twitter account removed it seems.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 8 2020 1:46 utc | 190

@karlof1

The tweeter site is taken down. Perhaps it was a true event. Social media doing their part on the war effort.

Posted by: Alpi | Jan 8 2020 1:47 utc | 191

Sasha #165

I am sure we will all be alive in the morning and Grieved is having a pessimistic moment.

On the issue of the moment though I get the impression that the entire US air assault system is being systematically reduced if not eliminated. The Iraqi and Iranian forces are expelling the invader and the surest way to do that is to cripple their air power before they cripple yours. I have no doubt that Trumpyahoo will escalate and that might continue for a while but there will be no USA return to the Middle East after this exchange for many years. Kuwait could well be occupied again at the least. That US amphibious vessel on its way to the Suez Canal might have an accident too if the Persians are good at their battle strategy.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 1:48 utc | 192

@177
That tweet has now been removed, so the downing of the plane might not be true, or might not be admissible.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 8 2020 1:49 utc | 193

"ben--Iranians are PERSIANS"

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2020 1:06 utc | 149

No duh karlof1, but, most Americans don't make that distinction, for them, and probably DJT, they're just more "rag-heads", and not real people.

Posted by: ben | Jan 8 2020 1:50 utc | 194

Trump and MSM say "I (Trump), made the decision".
Netty tells his ministers " . . .to stay away from this. It is entirely an American/Iran thing.

Sounds like Eps.../Moss.. had/has stuff on Tr.

Posted by: naiverealist | Jan 8 2020 1:50 utc | 195

As sensible but courageous people, the Persians do not lack humor, even in the worst circumstances...

It seems they are trolling the US back also in rethoric too...

https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1214724897815052288

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:50 utc | 196

Brasco removed the Tweet i believe.
@183 I do t trust that source.

Lull..

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 8 2020 1:50 utc | 197

Nothing from Al-Masdar. Yet.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jan 8 2020 1:55 utc | 198

Everything comes down to Trump. If he attacks, there will be global cataclysm.

Posted by: outerreef | Jan 8 2020 1:55 utc | 199

Via Mark Sleboda Twitter..

Hezbollah’s official Military Media Unit just published this infographic indicating that one of the ballistic missiles used by Iran is of the short-range “Qiam” variety.

https://twitter.com/Ali_Kourani/status/1214721979313532928

Wonder whether Netanyahu, Sara and Jair have already departed for Patagonia...

Posted by: Sasha | Jan 8 2020 1:55 utc | 200

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