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January 07, 2020

Blowback From The Soleimani Assassination Increases As Iraq Reveals How Trump Tried To Steal Its Oil

The blowback from Trump's assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis is increasing.  A scandal is developing as one consequence of Trump's evil deed after Iraq's Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi revealed the gangster methods U.S. President Trump used in his attempts to steal Iraq's oil. Below we follow today's development.

The mourning for the assassinated Iranian Major General Qassem Soleimani unfortunately caused even more suffering:

A stampede broke out Tuesday at a funeral for a top Iranian general killed in a U.S. airstrike, and at least 56 people were killed and more than 200 were injured as thousands thronged the procession, Iranian news reports said.

The stampede took place in Kerman, the hometown of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani, as the procession began, said the semi-official Fars and ISNA news agencies, citing Pirhossein Koulivand, head of Iran’s emergency medical services.

Helicopter video had earlier shown that the street of Kerman were densely crowded with mourners. The actual funeral has now been postponed.

A U.S. paid anti-Iranian propagandist has turned out to claim that Qassem Soleimani was not really popular in Iran. It is easy to debunk such nonsense by pointing to the University of Maryland which does regular polls in Iran. In October 2019 it found:

General Soleimani remains the most popular Iranian public figure among those tested, with eight in ten viewing him favorably. Second is Foreign Minister Zarif, viewed favorably by two thirds. ...

Also this from Professor Abukhalil:

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل @asadabukhalil - 17:29 UTC · Jan 6, 2020
This is the most stunning aspect of the rise of Iranian nationalism due to Trump’s decision to kill Suleimani. This would have been most unimaginable for many decades. The law of unintended consequences.
Quoted Tweet:
Roham Alvandi رهام الوندی @RohamAlvandiLSE -10:11 UTC · Jan 5, 2020
Ardeshir Zahedi, the foreign minister of Iran from 1966 to 1971 and the former son-in-law of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, describes Soleimani as a "patriotic and honourable soldier who was a son of Iran" and compares him to De Gaulle, Montgomery, MacArthur, and Eisenhower. Link to video.

This video from 2017 shows Soleimani consoling the daughter of a slain comrade at his funeral. Such scenes explain why Soleimani was so beloved.

The U.S. has denied Iran's Foreign Minister Jahvad Zarif a visa for a long planned visit to the UN in New York. Zarif responded by saying that he can talk to the U.S. people from Tehran. Today he proved that by giving a CNN interview:

Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif called US President Donald Trump's decision to order the drone strike that killed the country's top military commander an act of "state terrorism" in an interview with CNN Tuesday.
"This is an act of aggression against Iran and amounts to an armed attack against Iran, and we will respond. But we will respond proportionally not disproportionally," he said. "We will respond lawfully, we are not lawless people like President Trump."
The interview came as Iran's parliament voted unanimously for a motion declaring all US forces as "terrorists" on Tuesday, according to Iran's state-news agency IRNA. The vote took place during the country's parliamentary session Tuesday, IRNA reported. After the plan was approved, delegates chanted, "Death to America."

More death will come:

According to a report on Tuesday by the semi-official Tasnim news agency, Iran has worked up 13 sets of plans for revenge for Soleimani’s killing. The report quoted Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, as saying that even the weakest among them would be a “historic nightmare” for the U.S. He declined to elaborate,

“If the U.S. troops do not leave our region voluntarily and upright, we will do something to carry their bodies horizontally out,” Shamkhani said.

The Quds force, the external action arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp, received an additional budget of 200 million Euros. It will put that money to good use.

There are some 60 to 70.000 U.S. soldiers designated foreign terrorists on some 19 bases near Iran and on ships in nearby waters. That is  quite a lot of fish in just a few barrels.

Their commander in chief should ask himself if it is wise to keep them there.

The leader of a number of Iraqi Popular Militia Forces will meet in the next 48 hours to plan for the eviction of U.S. forces from Iraq should they not leave voluntarily. For security reasons the meeting was moved from Baghdad to Tehran.

North-Yemen held a quite large public mourning for Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. A Houthi minister held a speech during which he said:

"Soleimani's blood .. will turn into intercontinental missiles .. to destroy US warships and end US regional presence"

U.S. war ships will certainly have to avoid Yemen's coast.

The removal of U.S. troops from the region was also the theme of Sunday's speech by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon. It seems clear that the Resistance Axis will work on the project in a coordinated manner.

Trump said he would ask Iraq to pay for the bases the U.S. has built should the U.S. troops be kicked out of Iraq. The U.S. already has binding legal agreements with Iraq which stipulate that the bases, and all fixed installations the U.S. has built there, are the property of Iraq.

Trump had already asked Iraqi Prime Ministers -twice- if the U.S. could get Iraq's oil as reward for invading and destroying their country. The requests were rejected. Now we learn that Trump also uses gangster methods (ar) to get the oil of Iraq. The talk by the Iraqi Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi happened during the recent parliament session in Iraq (machine translation):

Al-Halbousi, Speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives, blocked the speech of Mr. Abdul Mahdi in the scheduled session to discuss the decision to remove American forces from Iraq.

At the beginning of the session, Al-Halbousi left the presidential seat and sat next to Mr. Abdul-Mahdi, after his request to cut off the live broadcast of the session, a public conversation took place between the two parties. The voice of Adel Abdul Mahdi was raised.

Mr. Abdul Mahdi spoke with an angry tone, saying:

"The Americans are the ones who destroyed the country and wreaked havoc on it. They are those who refuse to complete building the electrical system and infrastructure projects. They have bargained for the reconstruction of Iraq in exchange for giving up 50% of Iraqi oil imports, so I refused and decided to go to China and concluded an important and strategic agreement with it, and today Trump is trying to cancel this important agreement."

The American President's threatened the Iraqi Prime Minister to liquidate him directly with the Minister of Defense. The Marines are the third party that sniped the demonstrators and the security men:

Abdul Mahdi continued:

"After my return from China, Trump called me and asked me to cancel the agreement, so I also refused, and he threatened me with massive demonstrations that would topple me. Indeed, the demonstrations started and then Trump called, threatening to escalate in the event of non-cooperation and responding to his wishes, so that the third party (Marines snipers) would target the demonstrators and security forces and kill them from the highest structures and the US embassy in an attempt to pressure me and submit to his wishes and cancel the China agreement, so I did not respond and submitted my resignation and the Americans still insist to this day on canceling the China agreement and when the defense minister said that who kills the demonstrators is a third party, Trump called me immediately and physically threatened me and defense minister in the event of talk about the third party."

The reliable Based Cat in Iraq seems to confirm the timeline:

TØM CΛT @TomtheBasedCat - 4:00 UTC · Jan 7, 2020
Yes a 50-person delegation visited China in 2019 and then the protests started on October 1st until the Arbaeen dates, then picked up again on Oct 25th. I'm skeptical about the 3rd party but the timing itself was interesting. The flames were fanned by Gulf media and Al-Hurra.

Al-Hurra is a U.S. government financed Arab language TV outlet.

Southfront has a similar report, seemingly from a different source, with some additional context.

While this talk has not yet been confirmed it does sounds highly plausible.

The chicken-hawks of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, who have all lobbied the U.S. for war on Iran, now fear the consequences:

Gulf Arab states, potential targets for retaliation after the U.S. assassinated Iran’s top general, are working on multiple tracks to try to keep tensions between Tehran and Washington from building into a military confrontation.

Earlier today Russia's President Vladimir Putin arrived in Damascus for talks with the Syria's President Assad. Could there also be a meeting between Putin and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah? Putin will next go to Turkey to inaugurate the gas pipeline between Russia and Turkey.

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So far as I can see no comment yet from Snaders or Gabbard. I do recall Gabbard saying in the past that she'd support war if Iran "attacked US forces". We'll see if this qualifies.

She too is going to have to choose and stop fence-sitting. Her pro-empire-but-oppose-"regime change"-wars shtick isn't tenable.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 8 2020 10:27 utc | 401

Posted by: S | Jan 8 2020 9:55 utc | 388

Was it a chartered plane? Which Canadians would leave Teheran on a Ukrainian plane owned by Kholomojski the morning of the - possible - beginning of war? Were there families on it or mainly men?

From the Guardian

In a further sign that the Trump administration was anxious to find a way of defusing the brewing conflict, Bloomberg News reported that Pompeo sent a cable to all US embassies on Tuesday ordering diplomats not to meet Iranian opposition groups without permission, explaining that it could jeopardise diplomacy with Iran’s government.

MEK had a base in Canada. A lot of the subversion of Ukraine had been done by third generation Ukrainian-Canadians.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 8 2020 10:28 utc | 402

I’ll guess that telling Trump that attacking cultural heritage sites is a war crime was his generals’ way of telling him they aren’t going to follow his every order.
Suddenly he's undermined

Posted by: Stubbs | Jan 8 2020 10:29 utc | 403

Look's like..."I'm out-of-here".
I'm too old...and decrepit to wait for any...responses.

Posted by: Veritas X- | Jan 8 2020 10:30 utc | 404

Western Media has been remarkably subdued. Twenty-two ballistic missiles fired. None apparently intercepted. Iran and the Shiite militias have thousands more. The most likely cause of the 737 NG crash was distracted workers at Tehran Airport awaiting the start of WWIII. If the accuracy and damage in Iraq is similar to September’s attack on Aramco’s oil facilities, American troops remaining in Iraq is simply impossible. Escalation will inevitably lead to the total destruction of Middle East oil facilities and economic collapse. Let’s hope sanity prevails and the destruction never gets to the point that there is a nuclear response by Israel or NATO.

The USA simply doesn’t have the manpower, tanks, or will to fight a conventional war. Invading from Kuwait through Southern Iraq then northeast all the way across Iran to Tehran. Not to mention the aftermath. The invasion and occupation of Iraq a nation half the size of Iran and weakened by Desert Storm and sanctions was no cake walk before American troops were finally withdrawn by Barrack Obama. All that Operation Iraqi Freedom accomplished was the hanging of Saddam Hussein, the spreading of more death and chaos, and another war to defeat the Caliphate. All the American Empire can accomplish anymore are serial unwinnable wars. Hardly a bright shining light on the hill.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jan 8 2020 10:31 utc | 405

D #395

I doubt it was carried out in concert. It was awful obvious that the common demand was Make America Go Away.To do that you first cripple their air power then occupy their bases and maintain attacks as they withdraw, sniping them every inch of the way.

The USA and its scabrous camp dogs would have known exactly what the strategy was for them. Lets just see what happens in the coming week or two. I dont think it has ended.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2020 10:32 utc | 406

I think that is reasonable to assume that Iran gave Iraq an early warning, well before the attack, or even asked for permission. It would be stupid of them if they didn't at this moment. Why waste all this favorable momentum in Iraqi politics.

If they did, then Iraqi personnel in the base got an early warning and probably notified everybody else as well. And I think this is what Iranians wanted as well. Do the attack but minimize casualties.

Posted by: Erlindur | Jan 8 2020 10:42 utc | 407

No, Israel cannot use nukes against Iran, because Netanyahu perfectly knows Iran has some hundreds missiles with a name written on them: D-I-M-O-N-A, and if they strike it, 500 km around will be a radiactive waste the next 100.000 years

Posted by: Dave | Jan 8 2020 10:44 utc | 408

add to 398 - chartered by Giuliani?

Giuliani—and His Old Iranian Clients—Cheer Soleimani’s Death

MEK-linked groups paid Rudy Giuliani to get them off the U.S. list of terrorist groups. Now, Rudy is bringing their anti-Tehran message straight to Trump.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 8 2020 10:44 utc | 409

OT PS752

Only sharing a few links that came my way, I can't vouch for the validity or relevance of any of this because I'm not paying it any attention but concerning Ukraine Int. Airlines flight PS752:
· radar track from flightradar24.
· 737 NG page on Wikipedia (likely somewhat outdated).
· CFM56-7 engine page on Wikipedia (likely somewhat outdated).
· 2 CFM56-7 failures "‘Uncontained’ CFM56-7 FBO Failures: Southwest B737-700s 27 August 2016 & 17 April 2018 (UPDATED)" 20160912 (three and a half years ago).
· link to "NTSB Recommends Partial Redesign For Boeing 737 Engines" 20191119 (not long ago).
· Flight recorders reported found according to some Reuters story in turn attributing the statement to some Iranian news (I got no link, haven't searched).

(None of this came from Twitter as far as I know.)

I apologize if I'm duplicating anything already mentioned and also in case this gets stuck in the spam filter because of the links.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 8 2020 10:49 utc | 410

Did Soleimaini have any internal enemies? Was he considered a strong chance to emerge as President of Iran in 2021? Does someone else have their eyes on the Iranian Presidency in 2021 - and perhaps offered Trump the fall of a lifetime?

Your take out my enemy Soleimaini and I will win the Iranian Presidency in 2021 and we can make a deal. So all together your will look tough President Trump and you will then be revealed as the master peace maker in your second term!

Sounds a bit like Ronald Reagan in the Cold War with Start Wars and the Soviet Union.

There is something indeed very odd about this Iranian non-casualty response.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 8 2020 10:11

Maybe he did but the way they assassinated him made him a Martyr and nationalist banner. That was very poor choice if you ask me since they make Iranian people unable to soften it's stance against the US. I call bull on all conspiracy theory regarding on his murder as well as Iran subsequent response.

US just made two consecutive mistake to make themselves lost every credibility left for a honest negotiation in written agreement let alone an unwritten secret one.
1. They kill a diplomatic delegation right out of international airport.
2. They spread fake letters of withdrawals to mask their reinforcements movement in Iraq.
I'm sure the Iraqi and Iranian on the ground no longer believe anything US says.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2020 10:59 utc | 411

The media are so at a loss for a strong or even coherent line because they're so used to the US system "creating its own [fake-news] reality" that when something real and adverse actually happens they have no idea what to think or say.

(The Soleimani hit is real for the Iranians and Irakis but for the US was just another fake-propaganda opportunity. Only now has something happened that's real for the US.)

They're waiting for the government to give them their cue (ironically waiting with bated breath for Trump to speak, the same Trump they've been demonizing and disparaging for three years), but it's likely the berserker leadership are equally confused.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 8 2020 11:11 utc | 412

Thought this might be of interest to participants in this discussion. Radio War Nerd #142 Iran - US War Scenarios (It’s on YouTube but it is audio only)

Posted by: Daniel | Jan 8 2020 11:11 utc | 413

US planning something big coming days, week:

Kuwait Defence Minister Reportedly Receives Official Letter Declaring Pullout of US Forces in 3 Days

Israel be part of the actual war too?

Netanyahu threatens Iran with 'crushing blow' if Israel comes under attack

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 11:14 utc | 414

It's pretty telling that the US military are silent regarding their vulnerabilities against Airstrikes and missile strikes themselves. Will they use this ruse to place more air defense system on the region ? But in the manner where they're so close to local enemy being the Iraqis themselves in the region make this untenable imo.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2020 11:16 utc | 415

they killed the guy who got rid of isis before their plan was to keep isis, notice also the recent msm articles on isi start to regrouping

Posted by: mina | Jan 8 2020 11:19 utc | 416

US defensive capabilities seem very weak against missile attacks. I'm just thinking of how after the fake Douma attack the Syrians, with Russian help of course, were able to shoot down a large number of US missiles with the old S-200 system yet the 'BEST MILITARY EVER' is struggling far more.

Have there been any confirmations of the US taking down any of the missiles?

From reading Elijah Magnier's twitter he's saying the US had advance notice of the attack so as to avoid casualties, but I find it strange the US didn't at least try to demonstrate how effective their AA systems are.

Posted by: evilsooty999 | Jan 8 2020 11:19 utc | 417

I've seen several different counts in various places but since this one is from PressTV and said by them to be from the Iranian Iraqi military I'll stick with this one maybe it's a bit more credible:

"The Iraqi military said in a statement on Wednesday that a total of 22 Iranian missiles were fired, out of which 17 hit Ain al-Assad and 5 struck the Erbil base, adding that added that there had been no casualties among Iraqi forces."
PressTV link 4th paragraph

Sharing in case others also still wonder how many missiles were actually launched.

Glad I caught my error in the preview :D (I'm using <S> and </S> around the word(s) for the strike-through or error/deletion indiciation.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 8 2020 11:20 utc | 418

I'm willing to consider the crash of the Ukrainian flight significant. Potentially, the death of certain people on that plane was the "real" response, while the missile attacks were a show of force. Cannot be excluded that the safety of specific passengers was vouched for and then de-facto reneged on, much like the case seemed to have been with Soleimani.

That way, if there were any particularly valuable casualties, they would not be associated with the formal attack and would pose less of an obstacle to deescalation. Alternatively, it may have served to punish non-US actors who shared in the responsibility for Soleimani, but presented no available military targets.

It could of course be a completely unrelated accident, but I think it'd be a mistake to immediately write it off as such.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jan 8 2020 11:25 utc | 419

Re: Posted by: Russ | Jan 8 2020 10:27 utc | 397

It is of course untenable but that's ok.

Gabbard is going to withdraw at some stage and endorse Bernie. She hasn't been able to usurp his popularity and she needs to position herself for after the primary.

The question is when?

Before New Hampshire and send her 5-10% of the votes to Bernie and hand him the victory?


After New Hampshire after she finally finds out how much effort all her efforts in New Hampshire have actually generated.

I reckon the better play for Gabbard is after Iowa when she fails to get the 15% support necessary to win delegates and then she can withdraw, endorse Bernie and take credit for Bernie's victory in New Hampshire.

Alternatively she could try it before Iowa and try to claim credit for Bernie's victories in both (although more risky as Bernie may not win Iowa - that's why I suggest after Iowa).

I still have no idea why Cory Booker or Deval Patrick for that matter are still in the race. What are they hoping to achieve apart from massive humiliation after garnering zero delegates?

Posted by: Julian | Jan 8 2020 11:28 utc | 420

Could be possible that the US didn't want to let Iran or Russia (or China) get any new data on their own anti-missile defense systems, so basically full evacuation of the base, and no attempt to shoot down the incoming wave. Might be useful to let people guess the efficieny of their system instead of showing exactly how well or how bad it fares.
On the other hand, you can't evacuate all your bases near Iran for weeks, it would be the same as leaving the area for good.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 8 2020 11:38 utc | 421

They have no shame those french'

France Expresses Condemnation of Tehran's Airstrikes Targeting US Military Bases in Iraq

Paris has condemned the IRGC's attacks on American military facilities in Iraq.

"France would like to highlight again the importance of continuing the fight against Islamic State, while respecting the sovereignty of Iraq", a statement by the French foreign ministry reads.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 11:41 utc | 422

The 737 fall may not have any relation to Iran's retaliation.

There's an unverified video circulating on YouTube where it shows the alleged 737-800 as a ball of flames falling through the Tehran skyline, which could indicate bombing. However, the local authorities immediately stated the cause was engine failure. Besides, Iran was very clear it would not retaliate against civilian targets, and the plane was Ukrainian, not American.

The 737-800 is an NG, which, as b has already showed here before, is plagued with an skeleton problem in its central frame (a difference between the bolt width and the hole's diameter, which causes excessive vibration which causes premature fissures). This could potentially break the frame and pierce the engine, if memory doesn't fail me.

According to UIA CEO, Evgeny Dykhne, the plane was delivered in 2016 (so it was basically at the apex of its performance), and was “in excellent condition” and had undergone maintenance just days before the crash.

UIA flight director Ihor Sosnovsky also discarded any realistic possibility of pilot crew failure, saying the ill-fated flight was manned by a reinforced crew comprising Captain Volodymyr Yaponenko, Pilot Instructor Oleksiy Naumkin and First Officer Serhiy Khomenko. He also clearly stated that the crew was well rested before the flight - but you can take this with a grain of salt if you want, since capitalists tend to lie about the working conditions offered to their worker upwards.

Besides, the plane crashed right after the take off, which fits perfectly with the pattern of structural defects Boeing's 737s have.

If the problem was with the skeleton of the plane, then no maintenance could have fixed it. It would have to be sent back to Boeing for an almost do-over. Bar a rougue terrorist attack made by one of the many independent pro-Iran militas in the region (which would have to have access to nothing more nothing less than the Tehran Airport itself, so this is very unlikely), I don't see any other possibility for the fall of the plane than the NG skeletal production failure.

If I were the new Boeing CEO, I would do everything in my reach to supress the official scientific report (which will be very hard thing to do, since it crashed in Iranian territory) a la OPCW and try to blame it on the Iranian government, thus essentially lobbying for an escalation against Iran.

Posted by: vk | Jan 8 2020 11:45 utc | 423

@ Brother Julian. Search for "Edwin W. Pauley Oral History Interview "

He explains how people get the jobs... They get picked and they get 86'd. He speaks of Wallace/Truman switcheroo...but it's how it works.

There is no race. It's enough that people believe their vote matters...otherwise, if it really did matter, they wouldn't let us vote...of course even then we have "corrections" when there's a "mistake", Lincoln, FDR, JFK, Nixon... It's the Old Army Game, the con.

But if you enjoy the show, by all means, avoid looking behind the green curtain.


Meantime it seems that the Ukie 737, whatever the cause in fact, is going to be colonized by Imperial Propaganda... Persia is keeping the data recorders though, good idea!


Walter recalls that the US has been threatening Persia with atomic bombing since 1946, when Truman forced the Red Army out of Northern Iran by threats to use the bomb. In those days many Persian Communists had "dangerous ideas"... like equality, prosperity, justice. One may say that the war between Empire and Persia began in '46.


If the US does pull "out" the overarching logic says that this will be simply repositioning at a "safe" distance, such that the Imperial Rockets can be used to nuke Fordam and whatever else they desire.

They cannot move the zionists out...that'll be terrible mess when Dimona gets it...

Not that this is a sure thing, I mean they've been at this since '46...the pattern depends on the internals of process in DC.

There are other possibilities...maybe Trumpie quits, maybe he disappears, maybe there's a pause... But overarching imperative - oil dollar support, remains.

It's not over.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 11:53 utc | 424


If the US does pull "out" the overarching logic says that this will be simply repositioning at a "safe" distance, such that the Imperial Rockets can be used to nuke Fordam and whatever else they desire.

Exactly, they are moved to somehwere safer. Saudiarabia perhaps. When this have occured, Trump will escalate with strikes and Iran will have no way to retaliate further.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 11:56 utc | 425

The US doesn't even have a CIA base embassy in Iran. How would they go about making arrangements for this sort of event if it were just a show?

The US administration announces that Trump will address the nation, and then cancels? Trump switches from bellicose rhetoric to a conciliatory tone? The mass media switching in minutes from hysteria to silence?

I realize that the minds of typical Americans are cooked and pre-softened, but dramatic narrative shifts in short periods without adequate preparation still result in portions of the population abandoning the official narrative stream. That is not something the empire can afford right now. If this were planned ahead of time by the empire, then the necessary narrative pieces would have been in place ahead of time as well.

No, this was a real attack, albeit not an all-out one. Think of it as prodding to get Iraq's useless and overweight "guests" off the couch and packing their bags.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2020 11:57 utc | 426

I dont think people understand how big of an area an air force base covers, and how sparsely populated it is in terms of personnel/sq ft. Probably much less than a civilian airport. The fact that a dozen or so non-precision guided missiles caused few fatalities, especially when the base was probably on a high alert status should not be a surprise.

In fact, its very likely the base is operational in a few days.

The fact the billions dollar base had no apparent effective missile defense against rather crude missiles makes me think “fake wrestling”. I”ll say more on this later depending on developments, but hopefully thats all it is. The US and Israel need Iran as an enemy. It justifies everything they do in the region. What they going to do without Iran (assuming they demolish them in a war)? A broken Iran means they have to find a new enemy to justify the continuation of their mission.

If an enemy like Iran did not exist they would have to create one, like they created the Islamic state 40 years ago (more on that later if needed) and Al Qaeda . I mean, libya is done as is AQ and its offspring ISIS(at least for now), Syria and Iraq are broken, yemen is in defense mode, and Egypt -Jordan- Saudi Arabia-UAE -Kuwait are allies. Of course, history says todays allies can become tomorrows enemies so my guess is Saudi Arabia is next in line if they take out Iran. Given all our weapon sales in recent years they will be a credible foe and the fake GWOT may continue (allowing the balkanization of the ME according to the Yinon plan)

Posted by: Pft | Jan 8 2020 11:57 utc | 427

I guess someone didn't even glance at those links, never mind :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 8 2020 12:00 utc | 428

Here in Brazilian media has already come out that most of the UIA 737-800 176 victims are Iranian. The linked article (in Portuguese) uses as a source Mansour Darajati, "director-general of the Tehran governor's cabinet" (literal translation, I don't know the official name of the office in English). He stated 140 of the 176 were Iranian.

If that's true, then it reinforces the thesis of a Boeing design failure, and not of a retaliation attack. It also gives the possibility of an American-sponsored terrorist attack.

Posted by: vk | Jan 8 2020 12:04 utc | 429

‘One of our best planes’: Ukrainian Boeing 737 that crashed in Iran was ‘in excellent condition’ & manned by experienced crew

That doesnt mean accidents happen though.
Iran cannot afford having anything to do with that.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 12:07 utc | 430

I'm sure the Iraqi and Iranian on the ground no longer believe anything US says.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2020 10:59 utc | 407

Tearing down agreements and forming impossible demands -- as a rule, not just with Iran, or with Russia, or North Korea -- could already be a hint. I mean, I use Accuweather, an American company, and most of the time the current weather is shown correctly, and often even the predictions are correct. CIA seems to give quite reliable statistics on countries... so there are specialized companies or even government services that try to be accurate etc. But the idea that you say the truth when it is inconvenient is rather alien to State Department, Pentagon and the entire political class.

What is equally disturbing is the manner of thinking of American political class and the thinking/behavior among the vassals. At least Trump is fairly transparent, but Obama was a good student of the sages of Establishment's political science and prided himself to be unpredictable. "You have to be able to surprise." And he did surprise me a few times. He started from kvetching for at least a year that Israel should stop expanding settlements. It was like Eurotrash imploring Trump to let them trade with Iran. In both cases the answer was "nope, nope, how many times I have to repeat myself you moron(s)", and the reaction was that it never happened.

At least Eurotrash can be understood. They are vassals, and without America they would not be secure. Deprived of intelligence sharing, they would suffer insomnia, anxiety attacks, palsy. Mutti Merkel looks like she got all of that anyway. But Obama should be able to predict what will happen. Including the Congress ... [ how to formulate it without a hint of anti-Semitism? ]. And he started. And Biden, bless his soul, helped. But then it was not worth to continue. Surprise.

Then Obama negotiates with Iran. For years. Every little point is debated. France adds color with piruettes, at times impatient for the agreement, at times insisting of leaving the talks if Iran will not concede something. In the fullness of time agreement is reached. And Obama sabotages it from day 1. Was there ANY sense in this? Perhaps making Gulfie despots anxious and redoubling their arm purchases and other bribes. War in Yemen was accepted as a suitably lucrative racket. Being rather stupid, I thought that after the agreement, USA could cooperate with Iran and Russia to quickly eliminate ISIS and jihadis and restore stability and economic growth to the region. I even have a T-shirt from Obama campaign (the first one). He opposed war hawk Hillary.

So I can understand folks who more recently bet on an opponent of "war hawk Hillary".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 12:10 utc | 431

@ Zanon | Jan 8 2020 11:56 utc | 426
"Iran will have no way to retaliate further"

Don't bet on that. It's simply not true.

Russia is the real "prize" goal, Persia's in the pathway now, just as it was in '46 Lookit map

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 12:11 utc | 432


No its true - if there hadnt been US base in Iraq, where would Iran have shot their missiles at? US simply cleaning up before the aistrikes begin.

Russia and Ira are 2 different goals for the war elite.
Iran is pushed by Israel, Saudiarabia.
Russia is another goal that is driven by Americans themselves.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 12:16 utc | 433

Julian @ 416

One of the scenarios re Tulsi Gabbard could very well happen as you speculate. There is a chance she will gain some traction from the recent ME crisis, as she has been the most reliable and persistent sage of any candidate in sounding the alarm for what might happen (and is now happening). Slim chance any MSM voice will help her (except maybe Tucker Carlson), but with some stars aligning who knows? I noticed MSM narrative shifting ever so slightly yesterday morning, with even the awful Christiane Amanpour at CNN calling out Esper's BS, and bringing up Soleimani's role in fighting ISIS. Of course with the obligatory line also of mentioning the hundreds of Americans he killed but besides that it was a surprisingly tough interview.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 8 2020 12:19 utc | 434

I think that avoiding casualties in the response was smart, even if it is frustrating for those on the sidelines to watch one side engage in a gleeful killing spree. The western side (including their especially problematic colony) hinges their entire fighting capability on the trillions of dollars they pour into advanced tech. It is much more meaningful to take out that tech to diminish their fighting capability than to hit the pawns, whose main role is to be a warm body operating that equipment (and whose secondary role is to die so that the US can tell its citizens "yeah we may be in Iraq illegally and murdering tons of people but they're killing YOUR COUNTRYMEN, so we gotta kill em more!"- see the earlier reiteration of the Enhanced Penetrator IED lie)

Posted by: Yetanotheranon | Jan 8 2020 12:19 utc | 435

@somebody #398:

Was it a chartered plane? Which Canadians would leave Teheran on a Ukrainian plane owned by Kholomojski the morning of the - possible - beginning of war? Were there families on it or mainly men?

No, it was a regular flight. The large number of Canadians is, indeed, peculiar. I’ve read somewhere that it was a group of Canadian students, but I can’t find where I’ve read it, so take it with a grain of salt.

@Sunny Runny Burger #411:

Interesting theory on CFM56-7 engine “fan blade off” event.

Posted by: S | Jan 8 2020 12:22 utc | 436

@vk #430:

Here in Brazilian media has already come out that most of the UIA 737-800 176 victims are Iranian.

That is incorrect. See my comment #388 for correct numbers.

Posted by: S | Jan 8 2020 12:25 utc | 437

evilsooty999 @418 referred to Magnier Twitter "saying the US had advance notice of the attack so as to avoid casualties"

This is the tweet:

#Iran informed #Iraq Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi of its intention to bomb #US military bases in #Anbar and #Kurdistan before the attack.

Abdel Mahdi warned the Americans who took their precautions before the attack.


The attack seems more like a ritual "demonstration" marking Soliemani's funeral that anything that could be described as "revenge".

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 12:31 utc | 438

The iraqi PM and president cannot be trusted, even though US probably picked up that Iran was about attack from other sources, and managed not to get hurt.
If there are not any deaths, Trump will come out even stronger.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 12:39 utc | 439


A pylon here, a pylon there....

Where is the excitable and somewhat hyperbolic Capt. Abdul Hassan when you need him?

It's all over if the Iranians so choose. They are in control.

Since the murder of General Soleimani there have been hundreds of comments on MOA suggesting how Iran would react and how they would exact their revenge, and nobody came close to what really happened.

A massive fuck you to the Americunts. You don't know what to do.

Lash out - maybe drop a nuke or two?
The human shit on the streets of San Francisco and LA will start to look like paradise.

Israel will become a moderating force now they have come to the realization that they have fucked up big time.
American Jewry will exert force on the Trump administration to pull back. Those computers at the Federal Reserve need electricity to 'print' those dollars.

The question is how mad are the madmen?

Posted by: ted01 | Jan 8 2020 12:41 utc | 440

William Gruff @427

It wasn't a "real" attack. Advance notice was given of the attack and time to evacuate the bases, there were no casualties, no attempt was made to defend the bases, there was no use of air defence systems to take down incoming missiles and there was no response as the attack was happening.

This was a "phoney" attack.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 8 2020 12:43 utc | 441

@ Zanon | Jan 8 2020 12:16 utc | 434

"No its true - if there hadnt been US base in Iraq, where would Iran have shot their missiles at? US simply cleaning up before the aistrikes begin."

I was speaking of Imperial logic and goal since prior to zionists establishing themselves as a "state". Since '44 Russia has been target, since '46 Persia. This is established public fact from statements and actions at that time as well as official documents from the time...

But yes, there are factions and other agencies among the elite. The zionists want Persia ruined and also for Empire to do that and take blame. A convergence of goals? Well, yeah...also divergent, as the zionist faction does not have the interests of the Empire, and at some point they will be ejected from the halls of power in the US.

I hope that's a peaceful ejection, but no bets.

But they sometimes "correct" errors in strategy.

As to what Persia is capable of hitting...well, they have submarine-launched robot flyers. They can hit anything, anywhere. This was a very restrained reprisal, message. They can close the Strait, they can liquidate UAE, the list is long...they could hit Vandenberg AFB in california if they wanted to take the trouble to position a fishing boat, or even charter or buy a jet locally...they're serious man.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 12:48 utc | 442

No its true - if there hadnt been US base in Iraq, where would Iran have shot their missiles at? US simply cleaning up before the aistrikes begin.

Russia and Ira are 2 different goals for the war elite.
Iran is pushed by Israel, Saudiarabia.
Russia is another goal that is driven by Americans themselves.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 12:16 utc | 434

You have two mistaken idea.
1. That Iran and Russia are considered to be separate. It isn't. We see them in Syria expanding their presences and Venezuela.
2. Any relocation to safer area would only considered to be another strategic build up to more devastating US attack from Iranian point of view. They would only see withdrawal and reduction of US forces in the immediate region and winding down hostile rhetorical language as possible deescalation. It made no differences now since it's an open but undeclared war initiated by US whether they're in Iraq or Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan they'll be still prime target.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2020 12:50 utc | 443

"Potentially, the death of certain people on that plane was the "real" response, while the missile attacks were a show of force. Cannot be excluded that the safety of specific passengers was vouched for and then de-facto reneged on, much like the case seemed to have been with Soleimani."
Skiffer 420

Seems like a lot of Canadians on board the Ukrainian liner.
These will not have been tourists.
Who? Why would so many Canadians be getting out of Iran and flying to Kiev on payback night? Seems a bit odd.

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 8 2020 13:06 utc | 444

Of course I hope I am completely wrong.

I would bet majorly that very soon the U.S. will launch a very massive attack on Iran, and... Iran will immediately launch devastating missile attacks on the massive Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, and other smaller U.S. bases. And at least some oil facilities in Saudi Arabia, and U.A.R. And Haifa and probably other facilities in Israel.

Probably in a few hours. Sucks.

Posted by: blues | Jan 8 2020 13:14 utc | 445


No its two seprate goals by two different groups. Israel have no intention to attack Russia nor has Saudiarabia but they are the ones now that push for war with iranians.
They move troops to a safer place further from Iran. That is why Iran then wont retaliate. Just wait and see what Trump will say and espcially do next.

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 13:22 utc | 446

Its all big boys geopolitical games, while the small nations are either their pawns or prawns.

US: to dominate entire ME oil supply, hence control the world. It can bring Russia to crisis to start color revolution by selling down ME oil price. It can also stop supply China to wrack its economy. As Kissinger(?) said, the one control the currency(petrol$) control the world finance. The one control the oil control the world. But the one control the food, control everyone(hence the Monsanto GM food).

Russia: is there to keep its influence, block US control of ME oil, and get more deals. Syria is crucial to block off Saudi/Israel pipelines that plan to route via Syria to replace Russia lucrative EU market. ButIran is getting more influential in ME and will never become a Russia vassal.

Hence a weaken Iran without Gen Soleimani is good for Russia, especially for Putin's dearest brotherhood- Israel & Nethayahoo. Thus likely Putin knew but didn't warn off Iran on the assassination like he did for Turkey Erdogan.

China: Only want to assure its 48% oil supply & heavy investment in ME is secured. China still lack projection power to defend ally, so it will be another heavy lost like its investments during US invasion of Libya, Iraq & Sudan war. But China knows US will hold ransom its oil supply, so likely provide a similar Syria war support in weapon & materials to Iran for a drag out war. Its warship in Iran wargame recently is famed for carrier killer, a very symbolic one to warn off USN.

Iran: is a long civilization Persian with pride that would rather die in honor than live kneeling to US. So they will fight until US withdraw from ME. With death of Soleimani, Iran leaders will find no resistance to rally for a full war. A heroic war is always better than a slow death by US-Israel sanction stranglehold, esp in name of resisting US bully. If the strongest US during 2000's can't succeed in Iraq & Afgh war, what's more now with a much stronger & united Iran.

If Iran managed to drive USNato peck of hyenas out, it will be honored as natural leader of ME. Saudi, Bahrain, Omar, Kuwait, will see revolution to purge their US puppets. ME will become prosperous flooding with oil $ without USNato blood suckers.

Posted by: TTdr | Jan 8 2020 13:29 utc | 447

Knowing Iran is calling US bluffs & determine to fight a prolong war, one that US can ill afford, likely US will have to exit Iraq even Bibi is determined to fight till last American.

US has claim no casualty is to pave way for exit with some security excuse. But it will negotiate with Iran to let it fire some cruise missiles to nowhere as it did in Syria war to save face.

Iran can then deny any casualty and boast success of intercepting all US missiles as Russian. Then it can claim US exit as a victory for Soleimani revenge. Soleimani wish is fulfilled in shortest time & least deaths, with the price of his life.

Posted by: TTdr | Jan 8 2020 13:45 utc | 448

Disturbing news from Mint Press News; Who will be controlling the 2020 elections?

Posted by: Robin | Jan 8 2020 13:47 utc | 449

Understandably considering how few facts are available there's a lot of fantasy floating around in the fog of war and a lot of it doesn't square with what little is known. There are more nationalities than Americans and Iraqis at the Ain al-Asad base (general reference) and they were not evacuated. Does anyone genuinely believe they would stay behind if all the Americans left? I don't.

There's also plenty of public misinformation being presented as fact; I saw a laughable picture of a supposed crater (nothing but the shallowest ditch imaginable, a mere scratch) presented as if it was the result of an Iranian missile. If only all of it was that obviously false…

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 8 2020 13:54 utc | 450

A planeload of "Canadians" on the redeye to Naziland just as the griddle was getting hot for spooks Canadian bacon in Tehran? Sure, that could just be a coincidence.

Quick show of hands: Who here thinks covert CIA assets operating in Iran travel under American passports? [no hands raised except those of known astroturfers] See? People here are too clued-in to believe that.

No doubt that the plane crashed due to engine failure as well. A small heat-seeking shoulder-launched missile flying up an engine's tailpipe has a tendency to make engines fail, after all.

I could understand the Iranians being irritated at seeing a planeload of troublemakers getting away without being punished and deciding to dish out some behavior correction.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2020 13:58 utc | 451

Jackrabbit @321:

Pretending the attack was arranged as a ploy by weak/scared/compromised Iranian leadership will turn the people's anger from USA to Iranian leadership.

USA reporting no casualties. Now they are saying that Iran deliberately missed.
There is a growing belief among some administration officials that Iran’s missiles intentionally missed areas not populated by Americans during attacks last night, multiple administration officials said.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 8 2020 14:32 utc | 452


I think you are making a good point there.
The biggest 'oddity' of the whole evening seems to me, to be the plane load of Canadians off to Kiev.
Missiles, air bases etc you could expect - the usual - but this plane - that just crashes - um!.
The chances are overwhelmingly that it is as claimed, but - keep your eyes open for more info.
I am.

Posted by: Emily | Jan 8 2020 14:36 utc | 453

I for one am glad that Iran did not wait to respond.

This limited response within the confines of Iraq draws a line for the US, “We are keeping it where you started.”. Will Iran expand and will US wise up ? I don't wanted to even guess but so far so good. For sure this will be a wake-up call for many who are dealing with the US-Neocon Mafia. Russia and China being at the top of the list.

This is not Sarajevo 1914. In this case we know exactly whose hand welds the murderer weapon. The excuses used are simply lame. The World sees that and is learning a big lesson here. That lesson being that there is no other way to deal with a mafia thug that kills other than with measured force. Iran had no alternative.

The crash of the Ukrainian plane is very intriguing. For my taste it is way way too close to the Iranian response to the murder of General Qasem Soleimani. That plane could have been prepped in Ukraine for what happened in Iran as that would be the safest place to cause "an accident".

Now lets look back in time to some “coincidences” from the not so far off past involving plane accidents.

First one involves Germany.
Germanwings Flight 9525 -----> 24 March 2015

I might be stretching this but what was happening in Germany and Eastern Europe then that was filled with tension involving Frau Merkel ?

Berlin March 24 2014
When Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, meets Barack Obama, US president, at The Hague nuclear security summit on Monday, she will come under pressure to back economic sanctions against Russia. Ms Merkel has said publicly that economic sanctions should be imposed in the event of an escalation of the conflict, such as Russian intervention beyond the Crimean region, as she struggles to balance a tough response with Germany’s traditional way of dealing with Moscow.

Could this crash have been a “signal” to Germany, “Do the right thing and stay the course.”. It is well known that initially Germany wanted to take the middle track on issues with Russia and Ukraine. Not the US !!! Additionally lets also recall that Merkel was “informed” in a very public way that the US is listening in on her phone. Coincidences ? :-)

Next one is far more interesting, Malaysia.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -----> 8 March 2014
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 -----> 17 July 2014

Now what happened that was so interesting in Malaysia around that time that might induce someone to send a “signal” to them, "We are not happy with You !!!".

Guess who finds Israel guilty of genocide?
DECEMBER 5, 2013 16:10

Vengeance is best served cold. Also, gently stirred and not shaken.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 14:39 utc | 454

The 737 crash coincidence, well, maybe, but everybody will make hay of it, so it probably maters as warporn theater and propaganda.

Iran's not done. Empire is not done, zion is not done. It's not over. But thete may be a nice pause. Many such since '46, when this began.

Not on topic, quite, but relevant>

"These files on Iran highlight, among other things, the UK’s role in the 1953 coup and support for the Shah’s brutal ‘security’ service, Savak, in the 1960s and 70s. Also, recent secret collaboration with Israel over Iran."


Mark Curtis, "Iran Declassified"

plenty of reading for winter nights...‘The Top-Secret Cold War Plan to Keep Soviet Hands Off Middle Eastern Oil’ (Politico, 23 June 2016)

‘Britain Considered Nuking Middle East Oil Fields if USSR Invaded, Documents Show’ (National Security Archive, 23 June 2016)

And more.

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 14:46 utc | 455

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 8 2020 12:19 utc | 435

One of the scenarios re Tulsi Gabbard could very well happen as you speculate. There is a chance she will gain some traction from the recent ME crisis, as she has been the most reliable and persistent sage of any candidate in sounding the alarm for what might happen (and is now happening).

Tulsi is out the window for me. Someone found her name on the CFR website a while back where she was present for some conference or meeting. Then the name disappeared.

When you get invited there you must be in. Perhaps then she was just a bench warmer who today has been promoted to the A-Team. Seeing as now Hillary is out they find a need of a female puppet to take her place. A puppet who has a "fresh face" capable of selling death to the Masses. Obama was perfect.

It appears that the number one A-bomb scarecrow in the World has slipped up,

“In an apparent slip of the tongue on Sunday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described Israel as a nuclear power before correcting himself with a bashful nod and an embarrassed smile… ‘The significance of this project is that we are turning Israel into a nuclear power,” he said, before quickly correcting himself to say “energy power.’ He then paused for a beat, acknowledging his mistake with a smile, and then ploughed on with his comments.”

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 15:17 utc | 456


There is a growing belief among some administration officials that Iran’s missiles intentionally missed areas not populated by Americans during attacks last night, multiple administration officials said.

Might be propaganda but considering that the attacks caused no deaths might lead to believe Iran was bluffing, they cannot afford to be exposed like that so I hope that is not true!

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 15:45 utc | 457

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 14:46 utc | 456

I agree completely. This is all the time the Middle Game. Just don't ask me when I think the End Game is starting.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2020 20:33 utc | 330
Great recommendation. In return I recommend,

Murder State: California's Native American Genocide, 1846-1873
by Brendan C. Lindsay

The Whiskey Rebellion: Frontier Epilogue to the American Revolution
by Thomas P. Slaughter

Two books that should destroy those myths seen in Hollywood movies.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jan 8 2020 4:19 utc | 308
Amazing how handing out all those sandwiches by Mrs. Victoria Nudelman resulted in a magical change of government in Kiev. The sandwiches worked so well that even Russia was caught off guard. Something that was later admitted by Russia's Security Services Head Nikolai Patrushev. I just love the Internet ;-)

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 15:45 utc | 458

Some of you have seen timelines that start from a barrage that killed a civilian worker on an American base. It is also added by USG hacks that shelling of bases was happening for at least two months. Why there was smooch anger and aggression?

this is Israeli view one month ago:

On Wednesday, December 4, an Iranian ammunition depot in Al-Bukamal, Syria was hit by an airstrike. This attack came after Israel reportedly conducted four air strikes in Syria between November 12 and November 20, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry. While Israel has reportedly carried out thousands of strikes in Syria and neighboring Iraq in recent years, the frequency, intensity, and toll of these recent attacks are unprecedented.

The last month marks a peak in Israel’s war against Iran’s presence in Syria. Air strikes have targeted advanced air defense systems, surface-to-air missiles, reconnaissance sites, and warehouses, among other targets. Notably, the attacks carried out late on the night of November 20 hit the “Glass House,” the nickname given to the headquarters of Iran’s Quds Force in Syria at Damascus International Airport. The choice of this target, an important symbol of Iran’s presence and regular stopping point for Iranian VIPs in Syria, highlights this shift in Israel’s security policy.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2020 15:53 utc | 459

@: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 15:45 utc | 459

a quick read> "California Militia and National Guard Unit Histories
Kibbe Rangers" militarymuseum [dot org]/KibbeRangers

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 16:11 utc | 460

Posted by: Walter | Jan 8 2020 16:11 utc | 461
Yeh Walter, People do live in Fantasy Land but don't try to tell them that :-)

Life Is Worth Losing - Dumb Americans - George Carlin

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 16:27 utc | 461

To our foreign friends who do not visit US or avoid places when there, here is a report some Reality in the US that is very much avoided by MSM. Surprising it is shown on FOX. How Tucker still manages to have his job is beyond me.

American Dystopia: San Francisco in decline

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 16:36 utc | 462

Breaking: Trump: Will impose more sanctions on Iran, no casualties

Then oil embargo?

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 16:43 utc | 463

The firing of the missiles was a face saving gesture by the Ayatollah. A PR exercise to convince the people he took revenge. The reality is that the Ayatollah knows any war with the US will render Tehran and most other cities in rubble. Iran has no real military capacity relative to the US. At best they have a small window of operational capability while the US positions their military assets to pummel the majority of their fixed assets to rubble. That will be the end of the theocracy and a long hard road for the Iranian people to restore their infrastructure.

The Ayatollah also now knows that they have to be very careful in their asymmetric response to insure substantial plausible deniability. Any association with Iran will render a strong response by the neocons ensconced in the top security positions in the Trump administration. While Trump would like to get out of the Middle East in general, he has no love for the Ayatollah. If provoked he would have no qualms about unleashing destruction on Iran. The US will only seek to destroy not invade with a ground force. The Ayatollah must know that in a short period after the commencement of a war with the US substantial portions of the Iranian infrastructure will be destroyed. He is not foolish.

Posted by: ab initio | Jan 8 2020 16:47 utc | 464

American Dystopia: San Francisco in decline

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 16:36 utc | 463

Wow. Pls keep posting these links (I don't have a TV).

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 8 2020 16:49 utc | 465

Trump's speech of not, atleast declaring, any further attacks on Iran and telling Iran that "Iran and US could work together against ISIS" just pour salt in the wounds of Iran.
How will Iran rationally respond to that? Could they?

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 8 2020 16:53 utc | 466

Posted by: Really?? | Jan 8 2020 16:49 utc | 466

Well I stopped watching TV 5 yr ago. The video was in a post here,
A good site for off beat info.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 8 2020 16:58 utc | 467

@ 460 Piotr Berman... thanks for that info and your comment @391..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2020 17:55 utc | 468

Regarding the Airline crash, An interesting thesis from a Canadian perspective is that we may be about to see a remount of the MH-17 scenario, in which Iran plays Russia and Canada plays The Netherlands and the Ukraine gets to play Malaysia, the alternative universe version, in which they get to participate from the outset as victim and not as exonerated suspect with a veto in information disclosure. Shouldn’t be needed with Freeland on the Canadian end and her ukro/Zio/neocondisciples on the other end

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jan 8 2020 21:54 utc | 469

Tom_LX 455

uncle shaM has been trying to 'fix' Malaysia for a
long time....

This is one of the reasons...
Mahathir calls US, UK terrorist nations

Posted by: denk | Jan 9 2020 3:28 utc | 470

Posted by: denk | Jan 9 2020 3:28 utc | 471

I got a little tired continuing the story on Malaysia but I see you filled in the gap quite nicely. Yes, Mahathir was/is a thorn in the Anglo-Zionist eye. He was the one who dared to challenge Soro's manipulation of the ringgid,

Mahathir Attacks Speculation And Soros, Who Returns Fire
By David Wessel and

Updated Sept. 22, 1997 12:01 am ET

HONG KONG -- With the guardians of the international financial system as horrified spectators, Malaysia's combative prime minister, Mahathir Mohamad, squared off against his nemesis, speculator George Soros.

Soros lost and this was not forgotten. Mahathir knows who his country is up against. As I referenced in #455 from "The Jerusalem Post", Malaysia is not ready to bow to the NWO Builders and calls them out when she sees it fit. I think they are the only country that does it in such a "In Your Face" fashion. I think it was no "coincidence" that those two Malaysian plane fell in such a short period of time.

Interestingly North Korea Rocket Man Kim's brother was assassinated in Malaysia while all the tension with his "testing" was going on. Coincidence ?

NWO Builders forget nothing and will go to extreme lengths to get what they want, hence JFK in Dallas.

Posted by: Tom_LX | Jan 9 2020 15:56 utc | 471

So now the !@#$% block Iranian FM entry , to prevent him from raising the issue at the UN assembly.

This follows two farcical performances when the same !@#$%^&
used the same venue to 'trial' the Chinese for so-called UIghur genocide in Xinjiang and to bludgeon their ex poster girl Aung San Sugi for so-called 'Rohingya genocide' in Myanmar .....
The great satan abetted by the entire Muslim league no less !

Terrorists holding sway over a kangaroo court.

Run for your life !

Posted by: denk | Jan 9 2020 17:13 utc | 472

Apparently they're already starting to claim that Iran shot down the Ukie 747

'Highly likely' Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner that killed 176 people, U.S. officials say — and probably an accident

Strange to even see this at BoingBoing, since it's far from their usual fare. BoingBoing's presentation, taking US statements at face value, says everything one needs to know about them, . . . . other than the fact that the article is full of quotes from anonymous US IC officials, that almost every one working there is, of course, jewish and fairly pro- Zio.

Posted by: Realist | Jan 9 2020 20:14 utc | 473

Lee Camp at his acerbic best about the murder of Iran's national hero:

Posted by: PJB | Jan 10 2020 9:48 utc | 474

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