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December 05, 2019

The Delusions Of The Impeachment Witnesses Point To A Larger Problem

During yesterday's impeachment hearing at the House House Judiciary Committee one of the Democrats' witnesses made some rather crazy statements. Pamela Karlan, a Stanford law professor, first proved to have bought into neo-conservative delusions about the U.S. role in the world:

America is not just 'the last best hope,' as Mr. Jefferies said, but it's also the shining city on a hill. We can't be the shining city on a hill and promote democracy around the world if we're not promoting it here at home.

As people in Bolivia and elsewhere can attest the United States does not promote democracy. It promotes rightwing regimes and rogue capitalism. The U.S. is itself not a democracy but a functional oligarchy as a major Harvard study found:

Economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

But worse than Karlan's pseudo-patriotic propaganda claptrap were her remarks on the Ukraine and Russia:

This is not just about our national interests to protect elections or make sure Ukraine stays strong and fights the Russians so we don't have to fight them here, but it's in our national interest to promote democracy worldwide.

That was not an joke. From the video it certainly seems that the woman believes that nonsense.


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For one the Ukraine is not fighting "the Russians". The Kiev government is fighting against east-Ukrainians who disagree with the Nazi controlled regime which the U.S. installed after it instigated the unconstitutional Maidan coup. Russia supplies the east-Ukrainians and there were a few Russian volunteers fighting on their side but no Russian military units entered the Ukraine.

But aside from that how can anyone truly believe that the Ukraine "fights the Russians so we don't have to fight them here"?

Is Russia on the verge of invading the United States? Where? How? And most importantly: What for?

How would that be in Russia's interest?

One must be seriously disturbed to believe such nonsense. How can it be that Karlan is teaching at an academic level when she has such delusions?

And how is it in U.S. interest to give the Ukraine U.S. taxpayer money to buy U.S. weapons? The sole motive behind that idea was greed and corruption, not national interest:

[U.S. special envoy to Ukraine] Volker started his job at the State Department in 2017 in an unusual part-time arrangement that allowed him to continue consulting at BGR, a powerful lobbying firm that represents Ukraine and the U.S.-based defense firm Raytheon. During his tenure, Volker advocated for the United States to send Raytheon-manufactured antitank Javelin missiles to Ukraine — a decision that made Raytheon millions of dollars.

The missiles are useless in the conflict. They are kept near the western border of Ukraine under U.S. control. The U.S. fears that Russia would hit back elsewhere should the Javelin reach the frontline in the east and get used against the east-Ukrainians. That Trump shortly held back on some of the money that would have allowed the Ukrainians to buy more of those missiles thus surely made no difference.

To claim that it hurt U.S. national interests is nonsense.

It is really no wonder that U.S. foreign policy continuously produces chaos when its practitioners get taught by people like Karlan. In the Middle East as well as elsewhere Russian foreign policy runs circles around U.S. attempts to control the outcome. One reason it can do that is the serious lack of knowledge and realism in U.S. foreign policy thinking. It is itself the outcome of an educational crisis. U.S. 'political science' studies implement a mindset that is unable to objectively recognize the facts and fails to respond to them with realistic concepts.

The Democrats are doing themselves no favor by producing delusional and partisan witnesses who repeat Reaganesque claptrap. They only prove that the whole affair is just an unserious show trial.

In the meantime Trump is eliminating food stamps for some 700,000 recipients and the Democrats are doing nothing about it. Their majority in the House could have used the time it spent on the impeachment circus to prevent that and other obscenities.

Do the Democrats really believe that their voters will not notice this?

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for better or worse, the community at moa is a long running one with regular posters who do pick up on the character of others if they stick around long enough.. people do read into people and act accordingly.. thus S's helpful posts are a sign of a thoughtful person..maybe S will change and behave differently in another post, but all things being equal i will willing read a post by S, but i will ignore posts by those who decide to swear at S! if they apologize, i will revise my viewpoint..

@ 79 really? yes, i think her line on trumps son was a rehearsed one... she wasn't really thinking in any of it, other then for the effect... but her bullshite that b directly addressed really speaks to how braindead or brainwashed so called educated people - profs at whatever usa institution - really are.. i don't care how she looks.. it is irrelevant.. it is what she has to say that epitomizes the stupidity epidemic in the usa leaders.. i can only hope some of the ordinary people are not as brainwashed and have less exposure to publications like the nyt, or if they have the exposure, they also have some critical thinking abilities... the verdict is not good given her comments!!! forget about how she looks.. it is immaterial as i see it..

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Posted by: james | Dec 6 2019 2:31 utc | 101

b's last statement:

"Do the Democrats really believe that their voters will not notice this?"

I think, b, that this merely points out to anyone who cares to think deeply on the subject, that the voters don't matter - I submit that they don't matter to either party, and haven't since electronic machines for entering votes and counting them have been in effect.

What still does matter, however, is the appearance of credible voting procedures - more of a surface situation than anything approaching reality. The meme being 'if it can be done it will be done'.

So, as we approach times of importance such as election day, what must happen is a very 'close' election, so that the losers won't feel too aggrieved because after all they did nearly win. It was a contest. Somehow, last time around things went awry. Whether that was because H's actual vote count was so awful it took all they could do to get her the popular vote, and that wasn't enough. Or maybe somebody was supposed to keep an eye on the Trump score but they dozed off. So a few messy issues there, but ...

...this time they'll get it right.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 6 2019 2:33 utc | 102

So you care that Trump eliminated food stamps for 700,000 people? Yet, this whole article is about trashing the impeachment, yes, the same impeachment meant to take down a corrupt bastard who has nothing better to do than mess with people on FOOD STAMPS and sign collective punishment sanctions against millions of people in other countries and protect and arm the butcher monarch who provoked famine in Yemen amongst other shet Trump's pulled.

The best and truest line in that hearing came precisely from Pamela Karlan: “The Constitution states that there can be no titles of nobility. So while the president can name his son Barron, he can’t MAKE him a baron." Hello--smackdown!

(So he'll never be KING!😂)

Try and prove to me that pompous asshat Trump didn't have royal snobbery in mind when he came up with that name? Too bad his grandfather, who was a draft dodger minus the bone spurs excuse, was in the brothel business and that the pussy-grabbing apple of a son Donald didn't fall far from the tree then rolling straight into the gutter.

Trump can cover his toilet in gold and name his kid after the title baron, but
the only royal that'll appear in Trump's legacy is ROYAL pain in the ass!

I am 200% for the impeachment if only to make Trump suffer the bitter HUMILIATION he so deserves and fears.

Actually he deserves a cell next to one of his jailbird buddies, but impeachment is a good start on the way down...straight to HELL, I hope!

A lot of people sold their soul for Trump. Hope he takes them along with him on the ride down.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2019 3:01 utc | 103

...this time they'll get it right.

Lets give the Dims a chance-- Donald is dumb enough to give the Repugs a hard on--
Let's let the Dims grow this disaster a bit higher.
Pepsi, Pepsi Lite

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Dec 6 2019 3:07 utc | 104

Lorenz @ 20

What I find absent in most discussions about impeachment of Trump is the 800 pound gorilla - what will happen to the US if against all odds, Trump gets impeached. Could the US survive that cataclysmic event or would it rip the empire apart? What contingency plans does everybody make for that unlikely, but not impossible singularity?

Pence becomes President and Nicky Haley become VP, the Republicans get wiped out in the next election cycle and the US spills its blood in Iran for that very fiendish nation in that region driving the bus behind the scenes.

That would be my guess along with another guess, the US populace is so tired of war they will tear the nation apart if they do not get their payoff of free everything. I do believe the democrats will continue to deliver for the war party and not the people when and if they get complete control again. The Trumpers will be very angry as well. A toxic brew of fulminating discontent.

It is a sick ugly mish mash of candidates with the war party working hard to keep one weak nobody off the stage that offers up some slight chance of stirring up some discontent of their policies. It shows that they greatly fear even a small challenge because they know it will not take much to rip their policies to shreds.

Posted by: dltravers | Dec 6 2019 3:13 utc | 105

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Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2019 3:36 utc | 106

there's not "one group of people" behind everything wrong with this country. i keep seeing this anti jewish bias lately. israel has way too much influence, but that is not the be all and end all of problems in this country, or the most important one. you want to blame a group of people, blame billionaires.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 6 2019 3:48 utc | 107

This whole "impeachment theater" is a propaganda showcase to convince the American people that it's "enemies", like Russia, need to be opposed. If it were really about DJT's transgressions, it would showcase the real issues like "obstruction", and "emoluments' violations, not the "Russia did it" BS. Besides, its clear, the KSA and Israel, not to mention other nations, also bought ads on Facebook during the election season.

There's big money in confrontation, peace isn't profitable.

Big $ can buy any number of political "hacks", and they populate both sides of the aisle..

Posted by: ben | Dec 6 2019 4:10 utc | 108

Well we just saw the foreign policy of Russia&allies "run circles" around Uncle Sam in Bolivia--oh wait... So a bit less triumphalism please. Ms. Karlan doesn't teach her students dispassionate, objective analysis; she indoctrinates them in exceptionalist entitlement and messianic zeal. The potency of that mindset is perpetually underestimated, including by Morales, who allowed compromised, flipped generals to run his army. Now he's reduced to dreaming of a glorious comeback far, far away from power.

Only those sharing the Imperial hive mind need apply for US Govt jobs. It's the same it's ever been under Trump; he just seems "exceptionally" poorly attuned as to which of his appointees is only waiting for an opportune moment to shiv him--because he's incompetent. I really don't think it's any more complicated than this.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Dec 6 2019 5:26 utc | 109

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Posted by: Random Person | Dec 6 2019 6:32 utc | 111

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Posted by: james | Dec 6 2019 6:42 utc | 112

@STJohnson 56

Stevie, you were so busy with personal insults you forgot to give the links I asked for. Links to where anyone ever proclaimed any of that. Like I said, I never heard a single Hillarybot say so until after the election, and I won't believe any ever did till I see proof.

And if the electoral college really is so odious to your Democrats, why didn't they abolish it when they had effective one-party rule in 2009? Just one of so, so many questions about the Democrats which 2009 answered once and for all.

As for Trump defenders, I don't know what they say. I of course reject every elite across the board and despise the office of president as such, because such power, as well as the process required to get there, would automatically turn anyone into an arch-criminal in the unlikely event they weren't already one in the first place. But we see the pathetic contortions of Dembots like you.

Yes, yes, you're "not a Dembot", sure you're not. It's just that, like with a few other not-a-Dembots at this site, everything you say somehow mysteriously ends up implicitly supporting the Democrats. Just a crazy coincidence I guess. Or maybe not: "the people who have really turned away from the Democratic Party to favor political gangsterism."

You say the Democratic Party isn't political gangsterism every bit as much as the Republicans? Gentlemen, we have a Dembot.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 6 2019 6:51 utc | 113

@Circe 106

So you start out concern-trolling about food stamps and how everyone's being so superficial in talking only about impeachment, then rush immediately to make your entire comment another TDS rant about impeachment, culminating with:

"I am 200% for the impeachment if only to make Trump suffer the bitter HUMILIATION he so deserves and fears."

Well, at least you stopped pretending to be anything but a TDS-riddled Dembot.


As for food stamps, threatening them is a culture war thing Republicans (and many Democrats) like to engage in. But since from the point of view of the system food stamps are really laundered corporate welfare for the food manufacturers and agribusiness, I doubt they'll be going anywhere soon.

The fact that they help lots of people is, from the system's POV, purely a side effect.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 6 2019 6:53 utc | 114

As for the hyperlink crisis, I admit I don't see what's so hard about learning one small piece of HTML (especially since it's described right there in the comment form), but then I've been using it for many years.

But I'll repeat one helpful hint someone once posted here - if your link has dashes in it, it won't break the screen. Otherwise it might.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 6 2019 6:56 utc | 115

These born again satan worshippers actually do believe they are the second coming of his highness lucifer..

They ofcourse get off on the despicable nature of themselves ad the rottenest of humans to grace the earth in recent times.

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Dec 6 2019 7:26 utc | 116

there were a few Russian volunteers fighting on their side but no Russian military units entered the Ukraine.
There is at least one American volunteer fighting on the east ukrainian side, so by the logic of this woman the ukrainians are fighting USA.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 6 2019 8:19 utc | 117

@117 Russ
You should check what they're putting in your porridge. You're seeing Dembots everywhere.

Unlike Nancy Pelosi, I'm proud to say I hate Trump. You like Vampyr Giuliani, Pompeo, Lindsey Graham, Adelson, Nunes, loudmouth Jordan, wise guy Goetz...etc? These are some of the most rabid defenders of Trump. You must like sewer rats, too!

By the way, TDS, stands for Trump Delusion Syndrome and you got it bad.

@12 Ma Laoshi

It's the same it's ever been under Trump; he just seems "exceptionally" poorly attuned

It's the same on steriods.

Trump is extremely manipulative, devious and preys on and exploits every weakness, so anyone smarter than him will immediately recognize these traits and naturally protect themseleves. He invites treachery, because he is not a good person. He's driven solely by an insatiable ego. You forget that his mentor was Roy Cohn. His problem is that he's self-absorbed and obsessed with his image and distracted with all the tweeting and watching t.v. in between doing his hair, tanning, golf and official duties. Melania doesn't figure; they have separate rooms. So not only does he invite treachery but he gives it time and space. Thank goodness for that!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2019 8:27 utc | 118

There's a special kind of stupid that you see with academics.

Posted by: ian | Dec 6 2019 8:57 utc | 119

circe 121

"TDS, stands for Trump Delusion Syndrome"

Wrong again. And unlike you, with your emotional investment in impeachment (you actually take a side!!) and your fraudulent claim to support Sanders (a direct self-contradiction, since it's self-evident that a main purpose of impeachment is to help prevent any chance Sanders gets the nomination; any real Sanders supporter would not support impeachment), I'm proud to say I hate the entire system and have never once in my life supported any of its purely fungible criminals. (Including the sheep-herding con man Sanders, so even if your support were authentic that would still be to your disrepute.)

You, with your rabid Trump-Deranged support for impeachment, implicitly acknowledge that you're shilling for the "centrist" (i.e. hard right) Democrats. And of course that's your real agenda.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 6 2019 9:32 utc | 120

good comments, russ. if it quacks like a dembot, it's probably a dembot.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 6 2019 9:33 utc | 121

Is this "Circe" character for real or is the poster mocking and ridiculing poor Trump Derangement Syndrome victims by exaggerating their symptoms to ludicrous extremes? This individual's posts seem to indicate understanding that there is nothing to the accusations against the President, but that lack of truthfulness should be ignored in order to humiliate a particular individual. Basically, this individual is asserting that their personal "need" to harm someone else is more important than truth or justice.

I realize that large chunks of the American population have lost their minds, but this is so obviously pathological that I cannot imagine the poster not being aware of it. It must be satire.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2019 10:30 utc | 122

psychohistorian @ 109.
Thanks for the offer, I was contemplating providing same on an OT.
I figured it out myself, but appreciate your assistance to others. If we all help just a tiny bit, we all improve collectively.
Cheers
J
Ps. Appreciate your commentary too. Ta

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 6 2019 10:36 utc | 123

The Democrat strategy seems (as mad as it looks) to run a successful has-been against a non-elected President Pence.
Even that criminal-class mad women, H. Clinton (and her burnt out vacuum-nosed drone in the blue dress) husband, Billy could win on that count.
Under current trends that strategy looks bat-shit crazy desperate with negative chances of success.
The whole place is a madhouse being groomed for goy-oblivion once the "Rapture" starts... ("come on Putin, come on, come on, ...." the hags on the rocks/hill call).

"Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad."
(Prometheus speaking in "The Masque of Pandora" by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow,1875).

Posted by: imo | Dec 6 2019 10:43 utc | 124

Russ @ 113 says:

And if the electoral college really is so odious to your Democrats, why didn't they abolish it when they had effective one-party rule in 2009? Just one of so, so many questions about the Democrats which 2009 answered once and for all

steven and Circe are in mental disarray, horrified, as you say, by what they see in that mirror...an ugly American, a puny surrogate, a self-deputized twit; they're hyped with executive aura, but they like their treason with a big D. Circe has even introduced the royal mien, hahaha…dead giveaway that one...

so, why didn't they abolish it when they had the chance? yes, so many questions…

like...why did they just re-authorize the PATRIOT Act?

Posted by: john | Dec 6 2019 12:05 utc | 125

@ 49 & 50 Were you referring to my comment @ 42? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Both internal and external. The truth is very rarely ‘ nice ‘. It would appear in these P.C.mandated times someone’s humour is another’s reason to take offense. I find that an lack of appreciation for satire makes for an extremely dull conversation. Life doesn’t care about offense, if someone supposedly intelligent, who exists in a detached reality, wants to put themselves up for ridicule, I find it surprising that purportedly broad minded People react negatively to any response not considered in their apparently narrow view, appropriate.

Posted by: Beibdnn | Dec 6 2019 12:43 utc | 126

imo @124: As near as I can tell Democrats don't have a strategy, what they have is a belief system: They believe they like all that campaign money and they are not giving it up. The Pubbies very much agree, but they do have some remnants of a strategy, or Trump did anyway. Both rely almost exclusively on tactics these days, "attack anybody who gets in your way", or "bribe them if you can't remove them." Tulsi & Bernie are the only two at the moment who appear to have some strategic thinking going on.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 6 2019 13:34 utc | 127


Headline:

Pelosi: "Civilization Itself Is At Stake" If Trump Wins Re-Election

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-civilization-itself-stake-if-trump-wins-re-election

"Trump derangement syndrome goes supernova...Democrats still refuse to accept that they lost the 2016 election"

I recall a history program on WWII. Nazis were invading across eastern Europe and would hang any communist official that they found
in the overrun villages. On the program they had interviews with German soldiers. The soldiers had been brainwashed to believe
that their conquest was about "protecting civilization". Why Nazis fought. Sound familiar?

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2019 13:40 utc | 128

"America is not just 'the last best hope,' as Mr. Jefferies said, but it's also the shining city on a hill."

There is much to critique in such puerile chauvenistic hoopla, but suffice it to say now that the man who first coined the "city on a hill" metaphor saw things quite differently from this lunatic exemplar of the Peter Principle in action. [Are her colleagues at Stanford not completely mortified by the international display of such patent historical vapidity?] Here is what the incomparably less daft, John Winthrop, the original utilizer of the metaphor actually had to say.

"For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world. We shall open the mouths of enemies to speak evil of the ways of God, and all professors for God's sake. We shall shame the faces of many of God's worthy servants, and cause their prayers to be turned into curses upon us till we be consumed out of the good land whither we are going."
-- Christian Charity A Model Hereof
John Wintrop, 1630

Now were the goodly Mr. Winthrop to return to us today he would certainly be confounded that, for all of our demonstrable sinfulness, God has yet to utterly destroy our silly New Babylon experiement on these shores, but he would never claim to have used the "city on a hill" metaphor as a mere chauvenist boast the way that the nitwit legal scholar, and an equally unlearned Ronald Reagan before her, has done. Indeed, the metaphor does not say that we will be the envy of all the world, -- these is nothing about our "shining" in it at all -- but rather that we will be judged by all the world, and that we will be unable to hide our perfidy from them, and will thus become a "by-word" among them, all around the globe, ... which, come to think of it, is pretty much just what we HAVE become.

Posted by: antiimperial55 | Dec 6 2019 13:44 utc | 129

Not sure if Circe is a dembot, but he seems to think that a decent guy like Bernie Sanders at the helm would fix the country. Forget it, there is no hope. America has passed the point of no return a long time ago. The only way forward is towards collapse and Trump is the catalyst that gets us there.

Trump has an amazing talent for pissing people off and that is a good thing. Circe is our yardstick to measure Trumps performance at that specific job. It isolates the US and accelerates its demise. Only after total collapse can a decent POTUS start the process of rebuilding.

If impeachment succeeds and the dems take over it is like showing the world that everything is back to normal and everybody who was pissed off about trump can relax now and support some democrat candidate who gets back to the usual business of waging wars and killing millions while talking politely and giving great speeches.

Posted by: Joost | Dec 6 2019 13:58 utc | 130

@ all the random idiots perpetually
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The problem is not b's blog or its software,
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For your enlightenment: Apple corporation does
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Posted by: Lurk | Dec 6 2019 14:01 utc | 131

The Bush/MIC/Media did a much better job at propaganda to get the US and allies into
invading Iraq. Well, they did have 9-11 to propel it. There has been no such event
around the whole Russiagate business that the population can grasp on. It has gotten
so bad that outward observable reality is being denied as Russian propaganda. Basic
rationality has to be twisted into Gordian Knots.

Posted by: Erelis | Dec 6 2019 15:21 utc | 132

Is it polite to criticize the host's salon? When civilized people visit we do not take notice of the architecture, except to praise it.

...............

But to topic, delusions of Empire...and an amusing deconstruction>

"Profiles in Courage: ENN's Middle East reporter Gertrude Bellinger"

Youtube.

Posted by: Walter | Dec 6 2019 15:21 utc | 133

It fills one with bemusement to see a Stanford professor of constitutional law who--on the evidence of her having attained that position-- possesses an exceedingly acute capacity for abstract reasoning yet lacks the discipline (whether it be mental or emotional) to keep separate her hatred of what she sees Trump representing, her embrace of a red-baiting neocon / imperialist foreign policy apparatus, and her effective functioning, at the apex of her scholarly responsibility, as a constitutional and legal scholar able to weigh the available evidence and draw distinctions between policy and law, politics and due constitutional process, in impeachment proceedings--concerning a U.S. president no less. Regardless of what happens to the insane Clown President, her performance should enter history as a new low for (mal)practice of constitutional law, just when we wondered, after Obama, if its standing could be tarnished further.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Dec 6 2019 15:33 utc | 134

As john @ 125 noted: This impeachment theater has successfully provided cover for the reauthorization of the patriot act.
Even my NPR indoctrinated wife raised an eyebrow. I have come to the conclusion that as domesticated primates, we are subject to perceptual relativity which is greatly influenced by the imprinting of our cognitive-emotional network. Needlessly wordy perhaps, but when trying to interpret and decode information the contextual framework we are subject to is crucially influential. For example: When looking at the USAn two party system, contextual framework is a more powerful determiner of interpretation than say, education, IQ, affiliation, etc. The framework I have arrived at has the one corporate state UniParty embodied within it, therefore all this impeachment hoo-ha reads as theater and manufactured narrative. In contrast, the NPR indoctrinated mindset contains the structure of 'Dems good, Repubs bad, Democracy real' and as such everything that happens passes through those lenses. At the risk of offending, Circe is a fair example of this.

Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 6 2019 15:52 utc | 135

Adding to mine @ 13

Professor Jonathan Turley's Op-Ed at The Hill on his testimony on Wednesday before the Congress critters.

His testimony was clearly balanced and he received threats at his home and office. USSA is done baked. When will the civil war go hot?

Democrats Offering Passion Over Proof In Trump Impeachment


In my testimony Wednesday, I lamented that, as in the impeachment of President Clinton from 1998 to 1999, there is an intense “rancor and rage” and “stifling intolerance” that blinds people to opposing views. My call for greater civility and dialogue may have been the least successful argument I made to the committee. Before I finished my testimony, my home and office were inundated with threatening messages and demands that I be fired from George Washington University for arguing that, while a case for impeachment can be made, it has not been made on this record.[.]

"I remain concerned that we are lowering impeachment standards to fit a paucity of evidence and an abundance of anger. Trump will not be our last president. What we leave in the wake of this scandal will shape our democracy for generations to come. These “agitated passions” will not be a substitute for proof in an impeachment. We currently have too much of the former and too little of the latter."

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 6 2019 16:04 utc | 136

No dum-dums, Trump Delusion Syndrome is the irrational defense of what is so obviously a corrupt King rat when just his physical presence, as is that of the sewer rats I mentioned above, belies who they all are, the King sewer rat being worse of all. But, many of you, would have us mistrust our own eyes, you would have people mistrust their own mother to make the sewer rat look good! You keep pushing the whitewashing of the king sewer rat here undermining all forms of intelligence and truthfulness. Yuck!

@130 Joost

I don't trust cynics like you who pretend it's too late for Sanders to fix things. That cynicism regarding Sanders is part of the game to push the onlyTrump option again. Hillary was interviewed by Howard Stern, and proof that Sanders is genuine, is, that the war witch still harbors so much vile resentment for Sanders almost going as far as blaming him for her loss, but oddly enough, I don't see her spew that kind of vitriol against Trump; the asshat she helped usher in.

Trump collapsing the Empire is a fake narrative and also part of the game to reel in susceptible 'merican dummies. Trump is Empire on steroids. Trump is the accelerated Zionist agenda via tyranny globally and he's fascism domestically.

I haven't seen the level of contemptuous propaganda I'm witnessing here regarding the embellishment and defense of Trump since the hasbara invasion of the web during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza in 08-09. Same M.O. Hmmm, Zionists have gained big league under Trump. The logical conclusion is to suspect I'm up against the same gang of hasbara I was smacking down in 2008-2009. Yes, boys, I'm very battle-hardened, and I ain't letting you get away with all your bullshet! Don't try and muzzle me with your condescending crap; I'm a word warrior who never backs down in defense of the truth, so BRING IT ON.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2019 16:10 utc | 137

@131

This. Everyone needs to stop spamming about formatting and get a proper browser or add the simple CSS code. They make fun of people not using HTML tags properly but cant do a simple fix themselves or choose functioning software.

Its ridiculous to expect every new user to get tags correct. It's even more ridiculous to try and educate them in your posts. Equally ridiculous is using safari.

Use chrome. Use firefox. Or add the CSS code. Stop complaining about new users or those users that are technically illiterate. It stifles discussion and fills up this page with arguements about formatting for gods sake.

Posted by: George Smiley | Dec 6 2019 16:10 utc | 138

Russ@113 demands links to common knowledge. Ron Chernow's biography of Hamilton is one source for Hamilton's machinations with the Electoral College and the fury about them. Also, biographies of John Adams cover that issue. Even Elkins and McKitrick Age of Federalism touches on it. A militant ignoramus who rejects books because it it's on the internet it must be true, is also a fool. The simple truth is, no matter what they say, "everything" is *not* on the internet. And so forth. It is simply the truth that no one before Gore ever accepted the Electoral College as a technicality that was supposed to reflect the popular vote, and that only the popular vote winner was the legitimate president. But Russ probably doesn't know the difference between legal and legitimate.

I would trade impeachment on all charges for a popular vote amendment. Trump wouldn't take the deal, nor would Republicans, nor Russ, because every claim in favor of the EC is a claim for minority rule, which is profoundly anti-democratic.

Russ of course is a shameless liar when he claims the Democratic Party "hates" the EC. Gore and Clinton are corrupt, and one of the most astonishing proofs of their corruption is their contemptible refusal to deny the truth: The popular vote winner is supposed to become president, and the EC saying otherwise is a malfunction. The Constitution was not written by divinely inspired men, much less gods. Note that Russ shares their corruption. But even supposing the Democratic Party was anti-EC, it is not true that they could have ratified a popular vote amendment, as they only controlled both houses in 2009. Russ probably knows the states have to ratify any amendment. As a fellow proponent of minority rule, Russ would have delighted in the failure of the amendment. One reason reactionaries like Russ approve states' rights---like the right to quash amendments the population as a whole would approve, like the ERA---is because the wealthy find it so much easier to corrupt politics on a small stage like a single state, than a large. And this is especially true for rural states, which are favored in the EC (and Senate.)

As to the witless charge of being a dembot, a notion which is bad science fiction? That is purely caused by Russ being a Trumpist deep down. As such, Russ can only imagine demonic partisanship on anyone who won't accept his ridiculous excuses for Trump's legitimacy. Personally, I've never voted for a Democratic Party candidate for president. No doubt Russ will want a link for that too.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 6 2019 16:20 utc | 139

Haven't totally followed the commentary, but what never gets raised is the degree the incoming Reagan administration colluded with the Iranians to hold the hostages, until after the election.
Of course the military wanted Reagan, not Carter, so it's all well and good.
Now Trump could have been molesting 17 year olds and it would get brushed off, like what's undoubtedly out there on Slick Willie, if he would just do what he's told.
One thinks poor Prince Andrew just didn't have any goods on anyone else, that he's been pitched overboard.

Posted by: John Merryman. | Dec 6 2019 16:20 utc | 140

Comparing Democrat voters and Republican voters is like comparing a bag of rocks and a bag of socks.

Posted by: Fly | Dec 6 2019 16:52 utc | 141

>America has passed the point of no return a long time ago.
>The only way forward is towards collapse and Trump is the
>catalyst that gets us there.
>Posted by: Joost | Dec 6 2019 13:58 utc | 130

Indeed, he is the bestest most genius-y loose cannon one could ever hope for. The irony is that he thinks he is doing a wonderful job of keeping the Empire on top. The East Germans didn't have to push very hard to get a new regime. But in Uncle Sam Land the working class is class unconscious. They don't know there is a class war and that they are losing it.

Meanwhile the Empire slowly rots from within. The ship of state's planks are ready to break and the Captains are drunk and insane, so maybe just a few more randomly-aimed shots from Trump will sink the ship.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 6 2019 17:11 utc | 142

@Chevrus 135,

(I am a Green Party voter)

Good!, in particular: "...the NPR indoctrinated mindset contains the structure of 'Dems good,
Repubs bad, Democracy real' and as such everything that happens passes through those lenses."

People identify with a group and then adopt and mimic the beliefs of that group. **Then** they apply the intellect to
those group beliefs. Most often that application of intellect goes no deeper than the reading of a headline, and
perhaps the memorization and repeating of a talking-point. Some go deeper and their intellect gives them a
sharpened skill, a skill at rationalizing whatever adopted belief they **already hold**.

Religion provides a good example.
People are born into a religion (a group) and adopt and mimic the group beliefs.
**Then** (if at all) they think - apply the intellect - to those beliefs.

People group-mimic first,
then, second, they may think.

"NPR Democrats" were easy prey for the delusions - comfirmation bias - of Russiagate, their rationalizing skills
were fed a steady stream, a near endless diet, of sensationalized smoke. And their chosen group - Democrats -
was made to appear, via the MSM/politicians/FBI/CIA/celebrities/pundits, near unanimous in their acceptance of the
dogma of Russiagate, thus reinforcing, in a vicious circle, the comfort with group-belonging and group-mimicking.

People group-mimic first, then, second, they may think.
The group need not be deserted, but people should think ****first****.

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2019 17:17 utc | 143

@133 Circe

'Trump Delusion Syndrome is the irrational defense of what is so obviously a corrupt King rat...'

That statement requires justification. Please at least make the vaguest attempt to do so. I'm not seeing Trump enriching himself because of the Presidency.

Did he or did he not attempt to forego any salary he makes as POTUS? Turned out that wasn't legally permissable(!), so he was forced to accept being paid $US1 per year:

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/how-much-does-president-make/

Sanders has no chance. The DNC leaks (not Russian hacks) make that clear. The leopard hasn't changed it's spots.

Posted by: Ant. | Dec 6 2019 17:20 utc | 144

>Trump is Empire on steroids.
>Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2019 16:10 utc | 137

Exactly. Steroids at high doses for more than a very short time cause really bad things to happen, up to and including death.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 6 2019 17:24 utc | 145

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 6 2019 16:20 utc | 139

"Russ of course is a shameless liar when he claims the Democratic Party "hates" the EC."

Given the morbidly low intellectual level of everything you say, I'm not surprised to see that reading comprehension also is beyond you. I of course said the exact opposite, that 2009 proves the Democratic Party fully endorses the EC.

And I asked you repeatedly for links or sources demonstrating Democrat opposition to the EC during (not after) the 2016 election, which you claimed was extensive. You claimed to have lots of such proof. And when you finally answer, you cite Alexander Hamilton? Quite amusing.

Posted by: Russ | Dec 6 2019 17:29 utc | 146

I see already the focus is shifting from a failed impeachment attempt to an attack on the manner in which votes have been accorded priority by the Electoral College. It has been said by some on this forum that using this system is undemocratic, or in effect 'minority rule'. This is how the Clintonites have seen their loss, by loudly delegitimizing a process which has been clearly understood in the past to have prevented an un-democratic emphasis on large states with large cities, to the detriment of the smaller states (like mine) ever needing to vote at all, because their wants and needs no longer counted. In other words, as psychohistorian would say, wiping out the "e pluribus" and just ending up with "unum".

Those who desire that elimination, it seems to me, would smooth the track for the kinds of chicanery that would make stealing the election a done deal. It's pretty clear that without the electoral college we would have got Hillary. Oh boy, let's do away with it then! NOT

My second issue here is on the availability of the links process - I hasten to say thanks to those providing 'easy' ways to link. I have followed those cut and paste ones, but I am sorry to say I'm not succeeding in some instances. The last two I did so had only the result of targetting the main website and not the particular article I wished to post. I am not (sadly) on an apple computer any longer, so that is one difficulty I have - just a cheapie version with microsoft that doesn't do a lot of things I could do before. So, forgive me - I do always now go to Preview to make sure my post is okay, but then you really have to also preview your link, and mine as I say haven't targeted the article, just the site in general.

I do know how to follow the directions, as I have done with bold here. So I am thinking for some of us it doesn't work some of the time. So we if we want to target an article are better off doing it indirectly. That's more useful to everyone than fouling up the page.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 6 2019 17:33 utc | 147

@145 Trailer Trash

'Trump is Empire on steroids'.

Of course he is! He's a nationalist!

His 'trade war' is all about bringing manufacturing back to the US of A.

I have never been a fan of all these international free trade agreements. All that does is allow companies to export their manufacturing to wherever they can take advantage of the least expensive labour rates, and other associated abuses of workers in less 'good governenced' countries. That off-shoring of factories created Asian tiger economies.

An interesting article:

https://www.minnpost.com/macro-micro-minnesota/2012/02/history-lessons-understanding-decline-manufacturing/

Posted by: Ant. | Dec 6 2019 17:38 utc | 148

@Posted by: juliania | Dec 6 2019 17:33 utc | 147

Are you using Firefox as your browser? If not then give it a try.

Posted by: librul | Dec 6 2019 17:46 utc | 149

@144 Ant.

Oh please! He spent hundreds of millions already just going back and forth to Mar-a-lago and his other golf resorts and the free publicity generated for his golf clubs. Foregoing the salary is peanuts for him, it's a sideshow for the gullible public!

He's benefitting from the Presidency on all cylinders and then he has all the greasy Zionist financiers bankrolling him and he returning all kinds of favors at the expense of Palestinians, Iranians and Syrians, illegally giving away land, stealing oil, inflicting collective punishment on Iranians, Venezuelans and Cubans, protecting and supporting MBS, fueling and encouraging riots in Lebanon, Iraq and Iran, not to mention taking food stamps from the poor after lowering taxes on the rich, and on and on... You bet he's King of the sewer rats.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2019 17:46 utc | 150

Ant. @148--

A nationalist generally is the opposite of an imperialist, and Trump's been constantly referred to as an Isolationist because of his nationalism. Now, if we look at how his administration behaves, it most certainly continues to pursue the Evil Outlaw US Empire's #1 policy goal of attaining Full Spectrum Dominance, but it's being deterred from doing so in several of its former regions of dominance while clearly attempting to reassert itself South of the Border. IMO, it looks more like Pompeo's running Imperial Policy while Trump tries to run Domestic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2019 18:05 utc | 151

I wonder if they have individual tutorials - study classes - at Stanford. It is a really scary thought - having to spend an hour with the Karlan person. Does she have a speciality?

If she does it clearly isn’t related to geography. The concept of Ukraine, whose population is probably 60% or more Orthodox, manning the barricades to prevent the rampaging Putin hordes from attacking New York (not sure what religion the New Yorkers follow) is quite farcical. There’s so much coming out of America these days that literally defies belief.

PS John Helmer on his site today continues his good work of unpicking the Skripal lies.

Posted by: Montreal | Dec 6 2019 18:11 utc | 152

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2019 18:05 utc | 151

If your nation is an empire, then being nationalist automatically makes you also an imperialist.

What is debated in the USA since the beginning of the 20th Century is if it should or not be a world empire (i.e. an ultraamerican empire, an empire beyond the Monroe Doctrine). The isolationists defended the USA should restrict itself in being a regional (i.e. American) empire, while the interventionists defended the USA should be a world empire, by helping the Allied forces in WWI and then again at WWII.

The debate was finally won by the interventionists when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: vk | Dec 6 2019 18:21 utc | 153

The level of delusion...how many of the "witnesses" have ever heard of "The Plot to Seize the White House" (1973, Jules Archer)

about 240 pages -

Of course the plot goes on, despite some setbacks, as we see today. Same kinna people...

book is free online.

Posted by: Walter | Dec 6 2019 18:25 utc | 154

Walter @185 re: economics

The basis of economics is effort; the expenditure of energy by humans. All human interaction (obviously including violence) involves the expenditure of effort. Human effort is thus to the social sciences what energy is to the physical sciences, and in fact the two are identical under certain circumstances. It just depends upon what scale and aspect of society one is observing. Moreover, such crossovers between seemingly disparate fields of study are to be expected, and if not found it suggests that one or both fields of study in question are not adequately founded in the real world.

Wealth is itself a human construct so thus cannot serve as the connection between society (another human construct) and the natural world. Human effort, on the other hand, crosses domains into physics, biology, chemistry, etc, to tie the sciences of human behavior and interaction to something concrete, and of course all human constructs of whatever form you can imagine arise from human effort. This makes human effort the key starting point for all social sciences that anchors them in the natural world, and the study of human effort is economics... or it should be if people who claim to be students of economics were not obsessing over silly pieces of paper that have no significance outside of what humans arbitrarily assign to them.

A bigger problem with wealth having any central significance in the study of economics is that the quantity of it can change depending strictly upon the attitude people have towards it in their imaginations. Can a mole of nitrogen molecules have any count other than Avogadro's number because people want it to be more or less? Can people wish the charge on an electron to be something other than the inverse of the elementary charge? When fundamental values in your science are dependent upon humans' transient internal mental states then it is not a science at all but something more like delusion.

Of course, you can study humans' transient internal mental states themselves, but doing so strictly relative to other transient internal mental states cannot yield any kind of useful understanding, at least outside of rigorous Zen meditation, and then it is debatable how useful such understanding would be in any scientific sense. For such a study of transient internal mental states to be meaningful those states must be correlated with behaviors and with conditions external to the mind.

As for Churchill, I respect Trump more and I despise Trump, so that should give an idea where I rank that corpulent arrogant beast.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2019 18:34 utc | 155

>prevent the rampaging Putin hordes from attacking New York
>(not sure what religion the New Yorkers follow) is quite farcical.
>Posted by: Montreal | Dec 6 2019 18:11 utc | 152

But if them Rooskies take over New York, they can collect the tolls on the Brooklyn Bridge, or even worse, sell it to the Chinese Commies so *they* can collect the tolls!

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 6 2019 18:36 utc | 156

Apologies for the post in the wrong thread.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2019 18:36 utc | 157

@psychohistorian #90
Your point is valid (concerning tinyurl malicious links)
You can fix that (for tinyurl anyway) by going to tinyurl.com, going to the "preview links" and clicking to enable. It will set a cookie on your computer which will then show mouseover previews.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 6 2019 18:39 utc | 158

@Walter #95
Shortened links have zero value to steganography - which is the hiding of data as noise or background in a primary file: pic, documents, noise, whatever.
Also zero value to cryptography - it does no encryption or decryption.
It doesn't even convey any form of anonymity - you can scrape tinyurl links directly from their site by putting in the tinyurl link or even just using random input characters. Tinyurl almost certainly uses an algorithm to create the link - some type of hashing - so you could even figure out what most (default) generated links are by reverse engineering whatever algo they use.
The only point for a shortened URL is less display space used.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 6 2019 18:43 utc | 159

My favorite quote of this entire insipid and tawdry affair is one from David Swanson of World Beyond War: "Only in the United States can a lunatic president escalating global mass murder by robot airplane and waging more wars than he can count while threatening to nuke at least two countries get himself impeached for failing to ship weapons to Nazis to help start WWIII."

Posted by: David A Hart | Dec 6 2019 18:55 utc | 160

Consortium News has a great article about how season 2 of Amazon's Jack Ryan series was made in cooperation with the CIA and how it hilariously inverts reality with the US helping to overthrow a right-wing dictator of Venezuela to install a left-wing "social justice" leader. given how ignorant most Americans are of their own government's activities in the rest of the world, this TV show will shape how American view the crisis in Venezuela and the coming crises in the rest of Latin America

Posted by: Kadath | Dec 6 2019 18:58 utc | 161

. It should be high tide now to debunk the wording that the US is in any way a 'democracy'. True democracies were practiced by the populace weapon.carrying citicenry of Athens and to a lesser extent the few citizens of Sparta. Now in a few minor Swiss ländern and San Marina.
. The US , on the other hand, is a republic. Modelled by the founding fathers on the example of the pre-imperiel Rome. Later examples are the Venetian Policy and Britain/England. Remember more voters had the francise in GB than in the USA before and until 1850.
The PRC is the "peaople's Republic of Chia" and claimes not to be 'the democratic China'. Likewise and contraria, please look at the official name of that northern part of Korea calling itself 'democratic people's republic' -- but actually a family-led autocracy, to my rather un-informed knowledge.

Posted by: Ou Si (區司) | Dec 6 2019 18:59 utc | 162

Dec 6 2019 18:43 utc | 159

If you say so, then it must be true. Nevertheless, oh! my...
Is that a speck or a clue? No, maybe it's bird droppings, oh...wait!

(now put that in the one time pad, that which nobody noticed> kwi*93m)

Posted by: Walter | Dec 6 2019 19:00 utc | 163

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 6 2019 18:34 utc | 155 with the comment in the wrong thread

I responded to your comment over in the Open Thread and look forward to your response

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2019 19:01 utc | 164

Seems we have a game of musical chairs happening, Now it's Russiagate again:

"Democrats spent two-and-a-half years accusing Trump of conspiring with Russia, then turned on a dime to Ukraine. Now, after three months of Ukraine, they have returned to...Russia."

So says the tweeter drumming up readers for his Washington Examiner op/ed:

"Speaking to reporters [Link at original] Thursday, Pelosi tried to address the criticism that Democrats are rushing toward impeachment. Pelosi and her party have tried various explanations for their haste. She once said Democrats needed to strike while the iron was hot. Then, in recent days, Democrats have said the president must be immediately impeached because if he is not removed from office, he will meddle in the upcoming election — that is, he poses an imminent threat to the nation.

"But on Thursday, Pelosi said Democrats have not acted in haste at all, because the current Ukraine investigation is actually a continuation of the two-and-a-half-year Russia investigation. In fact, it's not about Ukraine at all. It's still about Russia."

Of course Trump's going to "meddle" in the election--he's running for reelection!!!! Too bad we can't just scoop up Congress and the Executive into a big crock pot and cook them all into a stew, although there's a good chance it will be toxic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2019 19:04 utc | 165

@ 137 Circe
*again*
Dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back over your own comments?
Your continuous vapid ranting invokes the image of a rabid teeth-gnashing dog hammering away at the keyboard while slinging spittle on the monitor.
Though you do often make some valid points, albeit you never bother to validate, your self-aggrandizing "I am right and everyone else misses the point" writing style casts a pall over anything inciteful in your posts.
Have a glass of wine and take a deep breath.
BTW...it's Trump Derangement Syndrome, of which you are a textbook example

Posted by: Fractional ownership | Dec 6 2019 19:18 utc | 166

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2019 19:04 utc | 165 who wrote
"
Too bad we can't just scoop up Congress and the Executive into a big crock pot and cook them all into a stew, although there's a good chance it will be toxic.
"
You forgot the judicial but while we are writing about the latest Delusions, as b called them, the folks you wrote about have extended the worst of the Patriot Act with add-ons and would have you believe that, given the labor statistic lies told today, the US economy is the best it has been for 50 years.....while private finance is being backstopped or gifted hundreds of billions of dollars on an ongoing basis since September.

Everybody keep watching the circus because that is where all the action is........

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2019 19:23 utc | 167

Amid the usual "Russian-aggresion" themes regurgitated by the usual Russiaphobic msm anchors/pundits, last night Maddow included the "assissination of Chechen rebel in Berlin". I was familiar with her other examples of "Russian aggression" and how they've been pretty convincingly debunked here at MOA and elsewhere (e.g., invasion of Crimea/Donbass, 2016 election interference, Skripals poisoning, MH17, etc.). Although I'd heard of the late-Aug murder in Berlin, I don't watch enough msm to remember much about it, nor do I remember seeing it addressed by b here or commented on in open threads. Quick searches turn up the standard Russiaphobic coverage and aftermath of the event (including bellingcat naming the Russian-directed assassin), but no links to any debunking other than standard Kremlin denials of any connection. My question here is, was this event addressed by b or in open threads here at MOA? (I'm a hard-core lurker, but could've missed it.) Or I'm wondering if this could be an instance of guilty as charged, but dismissed/ignored here as a justified assassination, perhaps analogous to neocon justification for US drone-assassinations of enemy combatants (e.g., al-Awlaki and oops, his son).

Posted by: pokums | Dec 6 2019 19:36 utc | 168

Trailertrash @ 156

That is another frightening thought. Maybe toll collection on Brooklyn Bridge could be handed over to a Finnish contingent of the UN. They’d look after you.

Posted by: Montreal | Dec 6 2019 19:37 utc | 169

@Walter #163
Given that the definition of steganography, and the practice of steganography is well known - yes, what I wrote is true.
In theory, you could pass information in the tinyurl link itself because you can create specific tinyurl links rather than have the default auto-generated - but it would be both very little data and the fact of a non-standard link would be non-secret since the algo for default links is very easy to reverse engineer.
Plus there's the handy "never expire" database of tinyurl+reference links to work from.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 6 2019 19:40 utc | 170

@Lurk #131,

"@ all the random idiots perpetually
complaining about broken formatting:

The problem is not b's blog or its software,
the problem is first and foremost the broken
Safari browser on the Apple platform."

Wrong. The problem is with mobile browsers in general. They behave differently when scaling content on small screens. It happens also with Chrome and even with Fennec (fully opensource mobile firefox). With Fennec/Firefox being the only mobile browser that supports plugins, I installed uBlock Origin to filter ads and Tampermonkey for userscripts. Then I wrote my own userscript to fix the layout. AFAIK this is the only way to fix the issue on mobile phones.
Not everyone here is tech-savvy enough to go down that route. Speaking about tech-savvyness, you really do not need to press enter when your cursor approaches the right margin of the edit box as if you are on a mechanical typewriter. Your text will wrap automagically to the next line.

Posted by: Joost | Dec 6 2019 19:59 utc | 171

@166 Fractional ownership

Who made you the authority on acronyms? FYI, it's Trump Delusional Syndrome and you and your fellow comrades are infected.

BTW, I'd rather be a a Dobermann or a Rotweiller than a sewer rat!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 6 2019 20:03 utc | 172

@pokums #168
The problem with that story is that it is the usual mix of secondary details without the primary one: why would Russia care about this person?
Why is this ex-Georgian Muslim who fought in Chechnya worth hiring an assassin to literally shoot him in the head in a German park?
What did this person do beyond act as a foreign fighter?
There is talk about his passport and his visa approval and what not, but these details are actually less helpful; are the Russians so incompetent that they use the same passport agency for hired outside assassins as they use for spies and diplomats? Seems odd.
This is the same story as Skripal, MH17, Douma, etc - the act doesn't fit with the motivation unless you postulate that Russia as a nation is exceedingly petty and vengeful.
At which point, the lack of Russian response to a shooting down of a Russian fighter by Turkey seems a huge disparity.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 6 2019 20:03 utc | 173

c1ue@173

Thanks. I assumed there were some debunking arguments along your line of reasoning, just curious as to why I hadn't seen it here. Perhaps not enough screaming of this particular act of "Russian aggression" by msm (yet) to warrant b's effort to address it.

Posted by: pokums | Dec 6 2019 20:24 utc | 174

@172 Circe

Trump "Delusional" Syndrome is an invention of the far left meant to belittle Trump supporters. That the term has been given credence by mainstream media and Wikipedia while Trump "Derangement" Syndrome has been designated a "sad fallacy" by MSM should speak volumes to someone as enlightened as yourself.
To address your comment about my fellow comrades, please point to anything in my previous remarks that shows support for Trump. Or are you simply assuming once again that no one sees things as clearly as the omnipotent Circe?

Posted by: Fractional ownership | Dec 6 2019 20:27 utc | 175

I'm pretty sure it's a mistake to think that being able to mouth these idiotic platitudes with some semblance of conviction means that she really believes them to be true.

As other commentators have noted, her position, prestige, and prosperity depend on giving a convincing display on demand.

They do not depend on the interior state of her mind or beliefs.

Posted by: ScuzzaMan | Dec 6 2019 20:32 utc | 176

@pokums, 168
the stalkerzone provides some background information on this murder. The ending of a blood feud which is being used by state actors? https://www.stalkerzone.org/merkels-demarche-against-russia-is-caused-by-an-overt-fake/

Posted by: cirsium | Dec 6 2019 21:02 utc | 177

circe @ 172

FYI, it's Trump Delusional Syndrome...

No. Wrong. Its Trump Derangement Syndrome. You can look it up on Wikipedia:

The origin of the term is traced to political columnist and commentator Charles Krauthammer, a psychiatrist, who originally coined the phrase Bush derangement syndrome in 2003 during the presidency of George W. Bush...The first use of the term 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' may have been by Esther Goldberg in an August 2015 op-ed in The American Spectator...Krauthammer, himself a harsh critic of Trump, later defined "Trump derangement syndrome" as a Trump-induced "general hysteria"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

The term "derangement syndrome" has been around for over a decade.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."

- Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Posted by: john brewster | Dec 6 2019 21:19 utc | 178

Fractional ownership @ 175

Trump "Delusional" Syndrome is an invention of the far left meant to belittle Trump supporters. That the term has been given credence by mainstream media and Wikipedia while Trump "Derangement" Syndrome has been designated a "sad fallacy"

Seriously? Geez, we are well into Orwell land, aren't we? Since I avoid the corporate media like the plague, I missed out on this hijacking.

May I ask which corporate propagandists have invented and pushed this little bit of confusion/disruption?

Circe @ 172

It looks like there are two terms. Not clear if you acknowledge that, or if you insist that "delusion" is the only term.

Posted by: john brewster | Dec 6 2019 21:24 utc | 179

cirsium@177

Thanks too, for the stalkerzone link to this "German Skripal" case. I knew there had to be something that debunked the "Russia did it" storyline. Now that there's been expulsions of Russian diplomats from Germany in response to the "Skripal-like" involvement of the Kremlin, I'll be surprised if b doesn't have a debunking post on it soon.

Posted by: pokums | Dec 6 2019 21:34 utc | 180

It promotes rightwing regimes and rogue capitalism

I would call them left wing regimes and probably more accurately.

Posted by: Von Fudgenheimer | Dec 6 2019 21:39 utc | 181

In the meantime Trump is eliminating food stamps for some 700,000 recipients and the Democrats are doing nothing about it. Their majority in the House could have used the time it spent on the impeachment circus to prevent that and other obscenities.

...........too many able bodied people on food stamps. Get em off. Work for a living and learn why you vote for low taxes.

Posted by: Von Fudgenheimer | Dec 6 2019 21:41 utc | 182

Impeachment and Pelosi do point to a larger problem and Steve Pieczenik nails it.
Caution Steve likes Trump but he can carve up with a swift knife. I go there for my dose of cynical comic relief and some interesting perspective.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 6 2019 22:28 utc | 183

I remain in a quantum state of superposition regarding trump,
waiting for the definitive observation to collapse the wave function.
My fervent, but not realistic, hope is that he will blowup
the simulation. Unfortunately, as many of the "conspiracy
theorists" have pointed out, the reality is so ugly and horrific
that many would lose their minds.

Posted by: evilempire | Dec 7 2019 1:22 utc | 184

evilempire #184

the reality is so ugly and horrific that many would lose their minds

Many of Trumps accusers already have :))

The MSM is showing signs of cold fusion at the mere mention of his or conversely Schiff's name.

Is Pelosi superpositioned to avoid the destructive gaze?

Clinton has amplified the wave function for both Gabbard and Sanders. Go Pelosi go!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 7 2019 2:31 utc | 185

I wonder if there ever will come a point when U.S. "sophisticated" liberal intelligentsia will start scratching their heads and wondering: "Are we the baddies?"

Posted by: S | Dec 7 2019 3:15 utc | 186

Gruff 122

"Is this "Circe" character for real "

Normally I have to look at the bottom of a post to see who is posting. But with this "Circe" character I don't have to. The ranting style is clearly identifiable from the top. Circe seesm to be obsessed with trashing DJT at every turn regardlss of the thread's actual thrust. Circe doesn't seem to have thought about what happens after DJT is impeached---or, at least, sharing those thoughts with the rest of us. Circe doesn't seem to get that the longer the impeachment farce is drawn out, the more the farce improves the Trump's chance to be reelected.
The Dims shoujld be concentrating on getting themselves a viable candidate. Sanders is doing well in latest CA polls. The Dims should be building on that and giving it a rest with their ridiculous kangaroo court.

Posted by: Really?? | Dec 7 2019 4:44 utc | 187

Joh @ 125:
"And if the electoral college really is so odious to your Democrats, why didn't they abolish it when they had effective one-party rule in 2009? Just one of so, so many questions about the Democrats which 2009 answered once and for all"

I have made this point a few times. The retort was that eliminating the Electoral College would require an amendment to the constitution. So what? This is supposed to be an excuse? I.e., amending the Constitution is like reversing gravity or something? Namely, impossible in our current universe?

My retort to this: The Dems never put it in their platform; they never mentioned it after 2000. They didn't mention it after 2008. At which point, when they had the presidency and both houses of Congress, if they really thought it was important, they should have gotten cracking on creating support for amending the Con. It is a hard road but it can be done, if there is commitment to the change. Such as getting the vote for women.

The fact is that no one really wants to tackle eliminating the Electoral College. The Dems just want to continue whinging. They are not serious. The Electoral College argument is a sore loser's argument. There is no more to say.

Posted by: Really?? | Dec 7 2019 5:03 utc | 188

Steve 139

"It is simply the truth that no one before Gore ever accepted the Electoral College as a technicality that was supposed to reflect the popular vote, and that only the popular vote winner was the legitimate president. "

This convoluted sentence seems to say that Gore was the first person to accept that the [vote of the]Electoral College was a technicality [presumably unimportant] and that only the popular vote counted.

Scratching head here. If that is what Gore said or thought, I guess Gore must have been wrong. Because the Electoral College vote is NOT a "technicality." I recall, as a child in fifth-grade civics class, being taught that the popular vote was NOT the final say on a presidential election. In addition, the Electoral College had to vote. But, we were told, they generally went along with the results of the popular vote in their state. But, they did not HAVE to.

Posted by: Really?? | Dec 7 2019 5:16 utc | 189

#129

Thanks for the quote.

The meaning of "we shall be as a city upon a hill." is pretty obvious. A city upon a hill is visible from a long ways away. As opposed to, say, a city nestled in a deep valley.

Winthrop meant that what the Puritans undertook in the New World will be scrutinized and judged as a good or less good reflection of God's will. It doesn't imply any value judgment that the Puritan experiment is ipso facto a great thing. Far from it. Winthrop is warning of the very great potential for failure. Moral failure.

"City on a hill" does not contain a positive value judgment. I does not mean "a beacon of light" or some such. It is morally neutral. But it explains the urgency of not failing. Because: The world is watching. Don't screw up.

It is merely a 17th cent. metaphor for "high-profile."

Posted by: Really?? | Dec 7 2019 5:22 utc | 190

I've been saying for some time that it made no sense for 'America First' Trump to hire Manafort.

Now we are getting reporting that says that Roger Stone influenced Trump to hire Manafort. Does that make any sense? I mean assuming that Trump wanted to win (and we have no reason to believe otherwise), why hire a guy with no recent experience in USA politics?

There are plenty of well-qualified candidates with recent USA experience. Just as there were plenty of companies getting Facebook data - the Trump campaign didn't need to use UK company Cambridge Analytica. But the MI6-CIA campaign to elect Trump seems to have been run out of London (due to laws against CIA ops on US soil).

Look at the end result:

> A MAGA nationlist President (as called for by Kissinger in his 2014 WSJ Op-Ed);

> Scores settled with Flynn and Manafort;

> Wikileaks/Assange tainted as a "Russian agent" via DNC emails.


And now, surprise! Trump is has initiated another 'goof': talking to the Ukrainian President about an investigation of Biden.

Was it a 'goof'? Trump is NOT dumb enough to do something so stoopid just after the Mueller investigation formally ends. That kind of thing would be left to others to arrange.

There are many indications that the 2016 US Presidential Election was a set-up from start to finish. And Trump plays along as does other political leaders/factions who claim to be adamantly opposed to Trump but actually only oppose him on narrow issues.

<> <> <> <> <>

Ukraine Was The Origin Of The Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax

According to White House visitor logs, on January 19, 2016, Eric Ciaramella chaired a meeting of FBI, Department of Justice and Department of State personnel, which had two main objectives:
> To coerce the Ukrainians to drop the Burisma probe, which involved Vice President Joseph Biden’s son Hunter, and allow the FBI to take it over the investigation.

> To reopen a closed 2014 FBI investigation that focused heavily on GOP lobbyist Paul Manafort, whose firm long had been tied to Trump through his partner and Trump pal, Roger Stone.

. . .

Just two weeks after that meeting, on February 2, 2016, according to White House logs, Eric Ciaramella chaired a meeting in Room 374 of the Eisenhower Executive Office, which seems to be a planning session to re-open an investigation of Paul Manafort ...

It appears that Paul Manafort became a vehicle by which the Obama Deep State operatives could link Trump to nefarious activities involving Russians, which eventually evolved into the Trump-Russia collusion hoax.


!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 7 2019 5:36 utc | 191

Trump Delusion vs. Trump Derangement Syndromes are in many ways merely two sides of the same coin--just as Democrats vs. Republicans or, more broadly, Liberals vs. Conservatives are.

They are all merely different factions of the American Empire fighting over, ultimately, whose side gets to control the nuclear football and, when the time comes, annihilate the world.

Put another way, the Trump supporters are merely the conservative version of Obama supporters--or vice versa.

Democrats vs. Republicans

Liberals vs. Conservatives

Trumptards vs. Obamabots

Bloods vs. Crips...


Posted by: ak74 | Dec 7 2019 7:15 utc | 192

Repeat: Only corrupt anti-democratic thugs believe in the legitimacy of the Electoral College over the popular vote. That does not change even if both Republican and Democratic Parties are corrupt. The truest test of corruption in a system is what's wrong but still legal. Only scumbags want to defend Trump as the legitimate winner. They're like people who think the many wars the US has waged all over the world or the many coups it has sponsored are legitimate just because they're legal.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 7 2019 12:35 utc | 193

"Trump Delusion vs. Trump Derangement Syndromes are in many ways merely two sides of the same coin"


Those like Circe who choose the "Delusion" variant are unable to see any daylight between criticizing the Russiagate/impeachment farce and "supporting Trump." Circe has stated this ad nauseum, basically running off the rails every discussion of the legality and even common sense of the Democrats' jihad against Trump.

Thus, driven by their "Derangement" syndrome, they project onto critics of the Dem jihad the derangement *for* Trump and characterize this as "Delusion" that Trump is A-OK. They seem to be driven to personalize everything that occurs in our political theater as reflecting only on hatred/love of Trump.

Hence they suppose that love of Trump aka Trump Delusion must be the opposite number of their own visceral and personalized hatred.

They will be dumbfounded to understand the concept: "I hate what you say but I defend to the death your right to say it."
They hate all things Trump to an extent that there is *no limit* to what s--- can be hurled against Trump and anyone who calls out the Dem impeachment theater for the desperate low-brow farce that it is.

Posted by: Really?? | Dec 7 2019 14:52 utc | 194

If you believe the red flyover states will vote to cut their own throats by helping abolish the electoral college, you are seriously deranged or deluded, take your pick.

No way will politicians who can't stop their residents from shitting on sidewalks in public, gain power over the smaller and less populous states.

Posted by: Morongobill | Dec 7 2019 15:07 utc | 195

"Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy.
We must not allow them to succeed."

- Deputy Attorney General Rob Rosenstein

"equivalent to the attack on Pearl Harbor 1941"

- Rep Jerry Nadler

"First, our investigation found that the Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion."

- Robert Mueller

----
A feather's weight of influence by Russian nationals working for a click-bait business generated millions upon millions
of words of hysteria from pundits and politicians, not to mention American voters themselves.

How often is June 6th, 2016 remembered?

Here is what interference looks like. The AP peddled their influence and then an avalanche of MSM echoed the AP to deepen ****real**** election influence.

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https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/perfect-end-to-democratic-primary-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-through-media/

Last night, the Associated Press — on a day when nobody voted — surprised everyone by abruptly declaring the Democratic Party primary over and Hillary Clinton the victor. The decree, issued the night before the California primary in which polls show Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a very close race, was based on the media organization’s survey of “superdelegates”: the Democratic Party’s 720 insiders, corporate donors, and officials whose votes for the presidential nominee count the same as the actually elected delegates. AP claims that superdelegates who had not previously announced their intentions privately told AP reporters that they intend to vote for Clinton, bringing her over the threshold. AP is concealing the identity of the decisive superdelegates who said this.

Although the Sanders campaign rejected the validity of AP’s declaration — on the ground that the superdelegates do not vote until the convention and he intends to try to persuade them to vote for him — most major media outlets followed the projection and declared Clinton the winner.

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary: The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals. The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.

——————————
The above is **real** influence peddling but you will never ever hear about it. Think the MSM is going to complain about itself? Forget about it. But a feather’s weight of Twitter and Facebook postings by ethnic Russians running a click-bait business – that generates millions upon millions of printed and spoken words by pundits and politicians.

Posted by: librul | Dec 7 2019 15:24 utc | 196

@ "- Deputy Attorney General Rob Rosenstein> "equivalent to the attack on Pearl Harbor 1941"

He's dreaming, but also said true thing, as the Japanese attack 12/07/41 (today's the anniversary) was the goal of the several strategies Roosevelt used to induce it.Rosenstein has shown his ignorance, his delusion, by referring to PH. (see "Cruise of the Lanikai", "Betrayal at PH" and etc - of course his position and paycheck depend on his own willingness to delusion)

Today "they" are dangling bait trying to get Iran to attack...well, it worked before.

Posted by: Walter | Dec 7 2019 16:25 utc | 197

I ought to have also mentioned "The Campaign to Lie America Into World War II" (@ american conservative )

That's about a vast deception, that continues.

Posted by: Walter | Dec 7 2019 16:32 utc | 198

@Posted by: Walter | Dec 7 2019 16:25 utc | 197

I wish, in my post @196, that I had used "d-day".

June 6, 1944 is known as D-Day,

June 6, 2016 should be a day of infamy, d-day. When our "free press" did a surprise attack upon our democracy.

6/6/16 d-day

Posted by: librul | Dec 7 2019 17:10 utc | 199

159,169; The Brooklyn Bridge has no tolls on it.China,when takes over the us,will charge for it.snark.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 7 2019 17:26 utc | 200

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