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December 28, 2019
Open Thread 2019-77
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El Salvador Perspectives: In El Salvador, a massive trial against members of the MS-13 gang recently concluded in San Salvador. (…) As the judge in the case issued his ruling, he revealed videos which had not previously been shown in open court involving politicians who were willing to sit down and negotiate with El Salvador’s gang leaders. The judge criticized prosecutors for having failed to bring charges against politicians. “In this country then we have two types of gangster: gangster gangsters and political gangsters,” said Judge Godofredo Salazar. Posted by: Maracatu | Dec 28 2019 15:13 utc | 1 People who did not sleep through their chemistry classes (you did take chemistry, didn’t you?) may enjoy reading “Energetic Nanocomposites with Sol-gel Chemistry: Synthesis, Safety, Posted by: Walter | Dec 28 2019 15:25 utc | 3 One more example of the process of imbecilization of the West: I stumbled over this 42 minute documentary from DW on How poor people survive in the USA. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 28 2019 15:54 utc | 5 Hey, Thanks vk. will read. Posted by: Walter | Dec 28 2019 15:55 utc | 6 This is true justice:
vk @ 4 Posted by: dltravers | Dec 28 2019 16:29 utc | 8 Below is a link to the latest Web of Deb posting by Ellen Brown that is worth a read Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 28 2019 17:10 utc | 9 OPCW-DOUMA – Release Part 4 Posted by: TJ | Dec 28 2019 18:10 utc | 10 Democrats and Republicans Aren’t Just Divided. They Live in Different Worlds Posted by: Mao | Dec 28 2019 18:17 utc | 11 vk@4 Found a relatively inexpensive copy of his 1939 The Alliance That Never Was (Silent History is a little pricey for me.) Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 28 2019 18:18 utc | 12 This is true justice: Posted by: BM | Dec 28 2019 18:22 utc | 13 @5 trailer trash… thanks for sharing.. they could provide social housing for those without living accommodations, but i fear the homeless epidemic in the usa and canada is going to get way worse before it gets better.. Posted by: james | Dec 28 2019 18:28 utc | 14 @ bm… apparently mao gave the drug addicts one year to clean up, or they would be shot… that seemed to work too, but no country in the west wants to apply this approach either.. Posted by: james | Dec 28 2019 18:30 utc | 15 Why Boeing May Never Recover From Its 737 Debacle Posted by: AntiSpin | Dec 28 2019 18:31 utc | 16 Mao@11 links to a CNBC article on a Brookings Institution report that doesn’t even address basic service jobs, just agriculture, mining and basic manufacturing vs. professional, digital service jobs. The report itself deliberately omits context and is worthwhile. The implication that the Republicans actually address with real deeds basic manufacturing and mining, “putting [them] on center stage..) is another gross deception. Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 28 2019 18:50 utc | 17 One more to the “First World problems” topic:
Long story short: the EU is only not in outright recession because the “services sector” (gig economy) is compensating for the collapse of its manufacturing sector – for now. @18 vk Posted by: TJ | Dec 28 2019 19:16 utc | 19 Re: China Sentences Ex-Chairman of Hengfeng Bank to Death Posted by: Ort | Dec 28 2019 19:41 utc | 20 @11 Mao Posted by: ptb | Dec 28 2019 19:49 utc | 21 Very interesting article (peer reviewed) about the Fall of Brazil of 2016-2018. A shame it is only in Portuguese (pdf in the a link inside the page). TJ 10 Posted by: Curtis | Dec 28 2019 20:18 utc | 23 @7 vk Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 28 2019 20:40 utc | 24 @ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 28 2019 20:40 utc | 24 @Trailer Trash…… Posted by: Uncle Hoe | Dec 28 2019 21:21 utc | 26 Fascinating how some people seem to automatically assume that western corporate mass McMedia, which lies to them endlessly, is somehow more trustworthy than eastern public media, and that western judiciary, which never seriously pursues rich and powerful criminals, is by default more just than its eastern equivalent that holds the rich and poor to the same standards. Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 28 2019 21:22 utc | 27 mao, the 2 parties don’t represent 2 groups of people, they represent the donor class, with sops to the poorer people that vote for them. but when push comes to shove, they are largely the same on the major issues of the economy and on warmongering. Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 28 2019 21:23 utc | 28 “Why do so many people in the West have this knee-jerk need to try to build false equivalencies between their criminal empire and other systems, or voice cynical and unfounded assumptions of malfeasance by those other systems whenever those other systems demonstrate superiority?” Posted by: bevin | Dec 28 2019 21:53 utc | 29 Just finished reading an excellent little book which may perhaps be of interest to this community: Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 28 2019 21:57 utc | 30 vk @25 Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 28 2019 22:12 utc | 31 >Then I was attacked by six youth in front of my building. Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 28 2019 22:19 utc | 32 compare this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Masaya <== to == > Posted by: snake | Dec 28 2019 22:24 utc | 33 Joe’s Chrismukah thank you! Posted by: John Doe | Dec 28 2019 22:33 utc | 34 >Why do so many people in the West have this knee-jerk need Posted by: Trailer Trash | Dec 28 2019 22:44 utc | 35 FBI unredeemably corrupted…? Posted by: Paul Damascene | Dec 28 2019 22:58 utc | 36 Trailer Trash @35: “…there is no fundamental reason that a supervisor must be “above” (have higher status) the rest of the crew.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 28 2019 23:31 utc | 37 @ Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 28 2019 22:12 utc | 31 Re #10 Posted by: augrr | Dec 29 2019 0:10 utc | 39 vk @38: “…the reality on the field is that capitalism is 0 for 5…” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 29 2019 0:19 utc | 40 Patroklos @30
IMO we are not “post-Left/Right” anymore than we are “post-racism” – unless you mean that we are not supposed to talk of it. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 29 2019 0:37 utc | 41 I suppose that it’s an unfortunate case of late-onset Luddosis, but whenever I’m presented with the marvels of AI technology I always think “Open the pod bay doors, HAL.” Posted by: Ort | Dec 29 2019 0:52 utc | 42 Earlier in this post, I mentioned the habit of Western Democracies to deliberately falsify their own macroeconomic data in order to paint themselves in a better picture to the masses.
It’s one thing for a central government to try to be creative with its unemployment rates. But for the petit bourgeoisie to falsify its own numbers just to prop up Jair Bolsonaro is on another level of degeneracy. This is a new low for Brazilian capitalism. Patroklos@30 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 29 2019 1:06 utc | 44 Re: AI — Posted by: Paul Damascene | Dec 29 2019 1:28 utc | 45 Here’s a headline that says much about the U$A, and it’s current inability to discern reality; Posted by: ben | Dec 29 2019 1:35 utc | 46 William Gruff @37– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 29 2019 2:17 utc | 47 @Ort #42: Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Dec 29 2019 2:48 utc | 48 Mike Figueroa from The Humanist Report has got a bunch of angry leftists hating on Tulsi Gabbard for her Christmas greeting today on twitter and youtube, they are claiming Tulsi is “too religious” or “she is pandering to evangelicals.” They have gone insane obviously and are hating on Tulsi for other reasons (she dares challenge Bernie for president). Pam Ho breaks it all down for you at Like, In The Year 2024 Posted by: Kali | Dec 29 2019 2:52 utc | 49 Mao @ 11 Posted by: dltravers | Dec 29 2019 2:52 utc | 50 I don’t think there’s any actual material reason that there should be any material wants anywhere on this planet, instead “only” political and managerial ones but that’s because I believe (and I’m not an expert) one can add additional levels of safeguards —both physical and administrative— to existing or new nuclear power-plants and “burn” most of the byproducts into essentially new fuel thus buying humanity at least several thousands of years of time instead of for example chopping up large volumes of air and everything in it be it insects or birds. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2019 2:54 utc | 51 One of my daily must go website is SCMP (South China Morning Post) own by Alibaba in HK. Its reporters are mostly Neo liberal or pro rioters (protesters). Chief News Editor at the Post Yonden Lhatoo is Independent and progressive. This week he posted an exception opinions piece. Posted by: JC | Dec 29 2019 2:54 utc | 52 What has happened in Hong Kong is simply saddening madness by what’s still a minority as far as I understand it. The protesters are only destroying themselves and their own city as well as local culture and history. It’s not like I know but after the initial confusion (which I shared in) I don’t get the impression that anyone in the west except perhaps the usual “elite” morons have been impressed or convinced by any of what has happened in HK. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2019 3:11 utc | 53 Blargh… my point was meant to be that I agree with the take posted by JC and others. It was so self-evident that I missed including it, sorry. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2019 3:13 utc | 54 Prolonging the discussion about the bad habit Western Democracies have on falsifying official statistics: # 30 Posted by: DeQuincey | Dec 29 2019 3:54 utc | 56 Oppressed Christmas Girl – MSM dusts off Dusty Boy meme for another spin. Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 29 2019 4:02 utc | 57 vk #38
YES to that. And the masters will definitely try to introduce digital blockchain currency and abolish cash. They have been busy preparing us for years on that little caper. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2019 4:07 utc | 58 “I don’t think there’s any actual material reason that there should be any material wants anywhere on this planet, instead “only” political and managerial ones but that’s because I believe (and I’m not an expert) one can add additional levels of safeguards —both physical and administrative— to existing or new nuclear power-plants and “burn” most of the byproducts into essentially new fuel thus buying humanity at least several thousands of years of time instead of for example chopping up large volumes of air and everything in it be it insects or birds. Posted by: Tim E. | Dec 29 2019 4:45 utc | 59 everyone should download and read this book it explains clearly why the nation state system is such a problem. Posted by: snake | Dec 29 2019 5:30 utc | 60 Below is a link to a Catlin Johnstone link about the latest Wikileaks dump about OPCW and who Voldemort is Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 29 2019 5:53 utc | 61 “Why do so many people in the West have this knee-jerk need to try to build false equivalencies between their criminal empire and other systems, or voice cynical and unfounded assumptions of malfeasance by those other systems whenever those other systems demonstrate superiority? It is an egotistical tribal sickness.” Posted by: ak74 | Dec 29 2019 5:53 utc | 62 Kali @ 49 said in part;” They have gone insane obviously and are hating on Tulsi for other reasons (she dares challenge Bernie for president). Posted by: ben | Dec 29 2019 5:57 utc | 63 Kali #49 and ben #63 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2019 7:18 utc | 64 @Jackrabbit 41 Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 29 2019 7:26 utc | 65 Tim E. #59
The stars have a habit of reaching the humans Tim E. Often that creates a big reset when we least expect it. See Burckle asteroid event 5000 years before present. That event would have been catastrophic for many societies. Then there is the odd volcanic fart that eradicates some human centres of excellence or perhaps depravity. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2019 7:28 utc | 66 End of year thoughts… ‘triggered!’ Posted by: Goodbye 2019… | Dec 29 2019 7:35 utc | 67 psychohistorian #61 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2019 9:32 utc | 68 To the many who look askew at the Capitalist Death Penalty in China, Vietnam has the same thing working here. A director in the party used his position along with assorted henchmen to buy over valued shares in a company that they were using to help the state telecom industry. Well they got caught and the director was sentenced to death for the theft of the people’s money of 3 million dollars. His sentence was suspended and changed to life because he was able to pay the money back. Most are suffering from long, long prison term sentences. Posted by: Tonymike | Dec 29 2019 9:44 utc | 69 Just as Obama meddled in a British election to drum up support for the glided jetsetters among the Britons, Trump has egged on the “conservative” leadership among the Brexiteers who are ardent to exploit the turn away from EU integration to turn the UK into even more of a free-fire zone for US corporate rapacity. There was a chance for a Left-Brexit but “the left” abdicated, revealed themselves to be liberal globalists at heart and ran home to globalist mama (and Corbyn further proved his morbid incompetence as a party leader), leaving the faction which is ready to conclude a bilateral forced-“trade” agreement with the US as the only game in town if a voter wanted Brexit at all. There were many reasons for people to want Brexit, but only the worst of these were taken up by political elites willing to lead. Tonymike #69 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2019 10:02 utc | 72 I’ve posted the following on the *Turkey’s Military Intervention In Libya Might Help Syria*-thread: Posted by: Veritas X- | Dec 29 2019 10:12 utc | 73 Russ @ 70 says: Posted by: john | Dec 29 2019 11:35 utc | 74 @William Gruff #40 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 13:28 utc | 75 snake@60 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 29 2019 13:37 utc | 76 @dltravers #50 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 13:45 utc | 77 @Sunny Runny Burger #51 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 13:50 utc | 78 @38 Posted by: Linda Amick | Dec 29 2019 14:09 utc | 79 @Tim E #59
Among other things: Homo Sapiens is presently believe to have emerged about 300,000 years ago. There are *no* records of human warfare before 14000 BC. The first writing emerged about 5000 years ago.
So we should burn more fossil fuels to stave off CO2 starvation?
Why is absolute amount of energy, per capita, a proxy for anything?
What exactly is “the Universe in Harmony”? Harmonizing by who and with what? Who judges? It seems highly ethno- and humano= centric to ascribe human values to cosmic processes. Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 14:17 utc | 80 Spain housing crisis: illegal occupation of vacant homes skyrocket in Spain: Here’s an interview with the most powerful man of the USA outside the POTUS: dltravers@50 “No one was fleeing to the hardcore socialist Marxist countries for those things. The offer was, life with Stalin, conform, and get a free flat. I would not call that the deal of the century. Marxism is 0 forever on that scorecard. As the Democrats move to a hardcore Marxist position they will lose some of their immigrant base of support.” Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 29 2019 14:37 utc | 83 @john #74 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 14:38 utc | 84 vk@22 your citing of the link on Brazil got my attention, I think you’re on to something. My daughter was in Bolivia fall, 2018, and is returning Feb, 2020 and she came back saying that her Bolivian friends, all middle class teacher types, were “tired of Morales” and were basically saying that he stayed in power too long and became corrupt. They had some facts (girlfriend scandal, big house, etc) to back up their general claim. I think they were the block of people– not real large, but significant and professionals or semi/emerging professionals– who withdrew their support from Morales. I’m not in Bolivia but my guess is that this group were beneficiaries of but not members of the MAS movement. The MAS movement is very large and I believe will emerge more in the coming months to show itself a formidable power block. The fascists will continue to go after them including torture, murder and are now receiving guidance from Israel on how to create an apartheid structure. Posted by: migueljose | Dec 29 2019 14:44 utc | 85 @Jon_in_Au #44 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 14:46 utc | 86 Billionaires’ wealth soared in 2019 amid US worsening income inequality
As Trump once said, his government is the best time ever to fullfill the American Dream… My speculation is that the MAS movement in Bolivia is very deep, well organized, committed and courageous. They do not have lots of media support. The fascists have a significant network of very rich, arrogant, fanatics. They share the same privileged mindset as right wing Cubans in Florida, Venezuelan, Colombian, Brazilian upper class: if you’ve ever met one you won’t like them: they are dripping with contempt for dark skin natives with an almost cartoon-like world view which can be seen in many latin american media stars who tend to be blond and more northern European in appearance. The fascists in Bolivia also appear to be disorganized, greedy and not very skilled. They are making mistakes which are undermining their precarious power base and causing conflicts with diplomats (Mexico and Spain) along with lots of infighting and nepotism that weakens them. However, they are very mean and want to reimpose the horrible caste system the Spanish empire brought in 1500 which gave the people 500 years of pain. Posted by: migueljose | Dec 29 2019 15:04 utc | 88 c1ue says: Posted by: john | Dec 29 2019 15:23 utc | 89 john 74 @ 69&72; Interesting posts. Man, the ideas expressed on both, could certainly blunt the drive to “profits uber alles”. Posted by: ben | Dec 29 2019 15:25 utc | 91 clue @84 Posted by: john | Dec 29 2019 15:23 utc | 89 @John #89 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 15:52 utc | 94 @Russ #92 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 29 2019 16:04 utc | 95 c1ue says: Posted by: john | Dec 29 2019 17:50 utc | 96 clue 95 clue 95 regarding “It’s the US, with its all-or-nothing, victory-or-death, you’re-with-us-or-against-us mentality which will insist on this. That will require at least the dismantling of NATO and ejection of US military bases in Europe.” Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 29 2019 18:08 utc | 99 Meanwhile, our Ambasador to S. Korea is telling “it” (the World) like it is (from his miltary background perspetive): No matter who says what, Our military will NOT be reduced and our bases will not be closed!! Posted by: Grieved | Dec 29 2019 19:16 utc | 100 |
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