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December 12, 2019
Open Thread 2019-73
News & views … How, btw, did Corbyn do it?
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Too early for many results, but there’s this: Posted by: ben | Dec 12 2019 20:19 utc | 1 I’m an original Corbynist (been openly supporting him since he was first elected leader, in 2016). However, it’s good to highlight that his manifesto won’t solve the UK’s structural problems and that the polls indicate the status quo ante from before Theresa May’s snap election of 2017. vk @3– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2019 20:49 utc | 4 Off to vote Labour in a moment. Posted by: Michael Droy | Dec 12 2019 20:57 utc | 5 Britain’s 330,000 Jews (0.006% of the population), while not uniform in the dirty prolonged false anti-Semetic smear campaign, had the opportunity to massively call bullshit on the campaign and did not do so … this was the only realistic way that the campaign could be stopped and permitting the campaign to build up steam caused Labour to plummet in electoral support. Posted by: chet380 | Dec 12 2019 21:01 utc | 6 @ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2019 20:49 utc | 4 To add to my all time suspicions, widely and willingly ignored…and recent confirmations…and counter a bit the hypocritical whitewashing of this man as a kind of dove of peace and protector of the weak…
https://youtu.be/97Id9nbSAxc?t=582 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 12 2019 21:29 utc | 8 I don’t want to see the following headline:
but then such is perfidious Albions style.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2019 21:36 utc | 9 Sasha #8 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2019 21:42 utc | 10 The NYTimes is full-on Corbyn is an anti-Semite today. This is just a warm up of how the corporate elite will try to take down Bernie since of course he supports Palestinian human rights , which is anti-Semitic. Posted by: Stever | Dec 12 2019 21:59 utc | 11 Twitter reports on exit polls provide great hope for Tories as I type, unfortunately. Given the 100% governmental gang-up against Corbyn, the question of fraud has always been there to ensure their continuance in power. If they do win, I expect to see an exodus of those that have the means to leave. Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2019 22:28 utc | 12 @ Michael Droy | Dec 12 2019 20:57 utc | 5 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 12 2019 22:30 utc | 13 re the UK election: the Elites in the US and UK media are despicable, have played on every fear imaginable especially the ridiculous charges of anti-semitism against Corbyn Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 12 2019 22:41 utc | 14 @Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2019 21:42 utc | 10
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1205189518061658112
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1205179687175147522
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1205145773836578817
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1205141498691543040
https://twitter.com/VanoSven/status/1205143389861273600
https://twitter.com/ru_rbc/status/1205116043955331073
https://twitter.com/tubushow/status/1205069671537479681 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 12 2019 22:50 utc | 15 Russiagate apparently went full circle and arrived back in the nation where it was devised to destroy Corbyn: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 12 2019 23:12 utc | 16 The wrong lesson to take from Corbyn’s devastating defeat is that lefties can’t win, I think. The right lesson, it seems to me, is that Corbyn doomed himself when he didn’t fight back against the smears. Tulss and Bernie, please take note. Posted by: paul | Dec 12 2019 23:15 utc | 17 @ Posted by: Sasha | Dec 12 2019 21:29 utc | 8 Labour had no chance, it was the cumryd himself, and the policy shift to the Left, the nationalising, spending big taxpayer money and stuff that did the damage. Posted by: Baron | Dec 13 2019 0:07 utc | 19 Sasha #15 Posted by: KL18481917 | Dec 13 2019 0:19 utc | 20 Sasha #15
This was Alexander III in the 1880’s. Sounds familiar re Putin. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 13 2019 0:23 utc | 21 Finally got my copy of Hudson’s … and forgive them their debts, where in his acknowledgements he thanks the German economist Dirk Bezemer with whom he’s produced several papers, of which “Finance is Not the Economy” is one and “Incorporating the Rentier Sectors into a Financial Model” another of several. Just a few more gifts for your reading enjoyment and personal empowerment during the Solstice Season. Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 0:26 utc | 22 Similar to some of the recent US elections – – how does one lose to a Boris Johnson? Posted by: jayc | Dec 13 2019 0:29 utc | 23 Well that’s the end of Corbyn and now we’ll see the return of the Blairites to power in the labour party. Deeply unfortunate, but also totally expected. Posted by: Kadath | Dec 13 2019 3:48 utc | 24 Below is a ZH link about the China/US trade deal….that we don’t get to know the details of…. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2019 5:06 utc | 25 Today the US Fed announced its end of the year financing boondoggle and if you read the ZH link below you will understand why I continue to write that the US is already in a recession which is being hidden by propaganda and outright lies Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2019 5:34 utc | 26 Blair’s seat is now in Tory hands. Posted by: Vegetius | Dec 13 2019 5:36 utc | 27 @ b who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2019 5:53 utc | 28 Congratulations to Sinn Fein on North Belfast! Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 13 2019 6:35 utc | 29 Corbyn lost definitively. The populists won. It’s sometimes forgotten that Johnson’s government is stuffed with ideological extremists. Is there going to be a Night of the Long Knives, and an attempt to track back towards the centre, or is the revolution going to be pursued to the bitter end? For example this article: Johnson’s Conservatives are a revolutionary sect and should be understood as such. Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 6:42 utc | 30 As Psychohistorian intimated (28) it was the media that won the election, particularly the BBC. Johnson had to hide from the electorate for the past week. Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 13 2019 6:56 utc | 31 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 13 2019 6:35 utc | 29 A big part of why Labor and Corbyn lost so badly is the complete abdication of “the Left” on Brexit. The left were supposed to be anti-globalists, in which case their task was to join battle offering an egalitarian, left-populist version of Brexit which would have benefited the people. Instead, faced with a real decision and a real opportunity they punted and ran home to globalist mama. This removed one of the main reasons to bother supporting them. I can’t imagine anything that would completely eradicate Russia faster and more devastatingly than a return of communism. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 13 2019 7:26 utc | 34 Russ I agree 100% with both of your comments. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 13 2019 7:29 utc | 35 Thing is, this destroys the left in Britain. The right in Labour had been in control since the early 1980s, and Corbyn’s leadership victory was an accident which will not be given a second chance. Now what will replace Corbyn will not be Blairism, it will be something well to the right of Blairism, something much more like the DNC in the United States. Posted by: MFB | Dec 13 2019 8:19 utc | 36 Corbyn destroyed hismelf. He performed quite well, unexpectedly so, in 2017 because he said that he would honour the result of the 2016 referendum. Yesterday the electors punished him for reneging on that and telling 17.4 million voters that they were wrong. Posted by: Tsar Nicholas | Dec 13 2019 8:29 utc | 37 Behold! Posted by: S.O. | Dec 13 2019 8:55 utc | 38 I find it interesting that so much effort was expended to defeat Corbyn, over such a long period, when apparently it was so little needed. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 13 2019 9:41 utc | 39 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 13 2019 9:41 utc | 39
I am no expert on UK politics either, but from my point of view in Norway the main issue to be resolved is dismantling the EU, and it looks like the Brexit vote and this election confirms that many in the UK see it the same way. Whether it will happen is another question. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2019 9:59 utc | 40 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2019 9:59 utc | 40 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 13 2019 10:31 utc | 41 people have understood what co2 does for a long time. there is no fake “climate crisis”, there is a real one, and our politics will play out against that increasingly stark reality. sticking one’s head in the sand about it will not solve the problem. why people have to shoehorn fossil fuel propaganda into so many unrelated issues is a mystery. Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 13 2019 10:47 utc | 42 China experts, is there someone who knows more about the phase one trade deal? Apparently China wanted to make the deal secret. Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 11:12 utc | 43 Everybody is sick of it and wants if over with. Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 11:25 utc | 44 The EU is a non-democratic nightmare that must be demolished. Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 11:31 utc | 45 Now that the official results are out, I’ll comment on the British elections.
– Valiant_Thor, 26m ago @ Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 13 2019 7:26 utc | 34 Posted by: vk | Dec 13 2019 12:03 utc | 47 Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 12:18 utc | 48 Corbyn made two critical mistakes. First, he failed to fight back against the false claim that he is an anti-semite. Yes, he disapproves of the Zionist goverment of Israel’s genocidal activities against the palestinian peoples in Israel and Gaza, but so do many other rational and morally-inclined persons. This does not make us anti-Jewish or racists. Second, he betrayed his own “Leave” inclination to pander to the Remainers among his close colleagues. His working-class voters who formed the core of the Pro Brexit majority have shown him precisely what they thought of that. Posted by: Bryn | Dec 13 2019 12:23 utc | 49 @39 Bemildred. Posted by: S.O. | Dec 13 2019 12:35 utc | 50 @ Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 12:18 utc | 48 you certainly do have to hand it to Corbyn Posted by: chris m | Dec 13 2019 12:37 utc | 52 addendum Posted by: chris m | Dec 13 2019 12:44 utc | 53 Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 11:31 utc | 45
I don’t think you should tell me what I mean. The EU is anything but democratic and there is nothing “to take advantage of” on our side. Instead we pay dearly for losing our sovereignty. Anyone who believes otherwise should reconsider. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2019 13:04 utc | 54 I notice the term ‘United Kingdom’ crops up on this thread ! I think we can safely despence with that don’t you ? Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2019 13:39 utc | 55 Norwegian @ 40. Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 13 2019 13:46 utc | 56 Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 13 2019 13:46 utc | 56 BREXIT WON – LABOUR LOST
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 13 2019 14:09 utc | 58 @ Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 13 2019 14:09 utc | 58 vk @ 47. Posted by: montreal | Dec 13 2019 14:34 utc | 60 Bloomberg campaign got their own dynamic and creative YangGang – in maximum lame. Posted by: MountainTop | Dec 13 2019 14:58 utc | 61 Russ @ 57 Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 13 2019 15:01 utc | 62 –Corbyn did not defend his staff and party defenders letting them get picked off one by one with smears and he did not defend himself against smears. Looked weak. Posted by: Johnny Law | Dec 13 2019 15:08 utc | 63 @ Posted by: montreal | Dec 13 2019 14:34 utc | 60 The best explanation for Labour’s crushing defeat was something I saw on RT … Labor promised a second referendum on Brexit, without realizing that the election WAS the second referendum. The deplorable voted for the Conservatives. Labour lost seats they have held for decades in working class areas. Posted by: SteveK9 | Dec 13 2019 15:14 utc | 65 Below is a link to a posting at Ellen Brown’s Web of Debt that I suggest folks read to understand some financial history that got us where we are Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 13 2019 15:46 utc | 66 @22 small correction Posted by: Vato | Dec 13 2019 15:47 utc | 67 Hungary has no plans to leave European Union — top diplomat About Corbyn’s defeat, I’m quite confident that the single biggest mistake was not stating that Brexit had been approved by the people and would happen, no matter what, that he would absolutely respect it and make sure it’ll happen in the very near future, and that his actual job as Prime Minister would be to get the less awful possible deal from the EU. Giving the impression he would make people vote again or would try to turn back the clock was absolutely suicidal, and totally delusional. I’m quite surprised he let himself be cornered in a dead-end alley in such a way. Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 13 2019 16:39 utc | 69 ?? ‘English Outsider’ claims to have started out sceptical but his diligent research showed up severe cases of labour antisemitism, and when requested for an example simply replies “just google it”. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Dec 13 2019 16:44 utc | 70 Yesterday after shopping, while waiting at the train, I spoke with a pleasant chap who was an ardent Hillary fan. We had, till the train arrived, an argument of opposites. My parting call to him (as we headed for opposite ends) was that he check out Moon of Alabama. (He said he would.) Posted by: juliania | Dec 13 2019 16:59 utc | 71 Vato @67– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 17:12 utc | 72 Thank you psychohistorian @ 66 – beautiful post!! I am copying that one down because it says in a nutshell with clarity all that we need to know about what has happened to finance in this country. And as you often say, everyone has been affected by it, everyone. Posted by: juliania | Dec 13 2019 17:13 utc | 73 i wish the uk well… i think boris will continue to be a disaster, and brexit will get rammed down the other half of the population with negative results… the msm tarred and feathered corbyn from the get go… the people will get what the msm wants… it ain’t gonna be pretty.. that’s my take.. Posted by: james | Dec 13 2019 17:15 utc | 74 Corbyn’s defeat was entirely due to the treachery of the engrained leadership of the Labour Party. Posted by: bevin | Dec 13 2019 17:15 utc | 75 I like this comment on the Galloway tweet. Posted by: arby | Dec 13 2019 17:22 utc | 76 Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 11:31 utc | 45 Posted by: Per/Norway | Dec 13 2019 17:26 utc | 77 Tuyzentfloot @70 Gosh, What a Night!
You don’t have to deify Boris Johnson in order to highlight the weakenesses of your enemies. Like, in this example: why would “optimism and belief in the UK and its people” solve the UK’s structural problems in its economy? Is the author insinuating the British people has superpowers or is some kind of superior race? Does the author know that the British economy begun to deteriorate in 2009, long before the Brexit referendum? Viking guy at 40 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 13 2019 18:09 utc | 80 The NATO rift between Turkey and its other members has escalated with the Evil Outlaw US Empire’s Senate voting to recognize the Armenian Genocide and Greece to help the LNA (Bengazi gov’t) defend against Turkish shipments of militia/terrorists and weapons to the besieged GNA in Tripoli. This site is very helpful and up-to-date regarding what’s occurring. And this PDF Briefing Paper is very good and quite detailed. Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 18:11 utc | 81 Clueless Joe @80 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2019 18:21 utc | 82 @ Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 13 2019 18:09 utc | 80 The English have supposedly had a democracy for many hundreds of years, but never managed to get the aristocracy and rich off their backs. People are stupid. Posted by: Michael Weddington | Dec 13 2019 18:45 utc | 84 Awaited confirmation by China about the Trade Deal before writing about it. This article is what I waited to be published: “Phase one trade deal a step forward, a new beginning,” yes, an optimistic tone, although tempered in the text: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 18:50 utc | 85 The only anti-semitic thing I’ve seen has been the way the mainstream political/media class in both the US and UK have adopted the longstanding neo-Nazi claim that all Jews are Zionist agents and therefore one can’t be anti-Zionist without being anti-Jew as such.by: Russ @ 57 yes, I agree give an example.. Posted by: snake | Dec 13 2019 18:59 utc | 86 vk @83– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 19:00 utc | 87 I have not commented on this until now because it is not finished yet, but if this so-called trade deal goes in the direction of this “first phase”, then all I have to say is that China has got the USA by the balls. Royalty/Kings/Tsars/Kaisers/0.01% persist ever since nation-state governments became the dominant form of civilization. Posted by: chu teh | Dec 13 2019 19:05 utc | 89 China takes a bit of pleasure in the UK’s decline: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 19:08 utc | 90 @ Posted by: montreal | Dec 13 2019 14:34 utc | 60 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 18:50 utc | 85 Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 19:17 utc | 92 chu teh @87– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 13 2019 19:19 utc | 93 @ Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 19:17 utc | 90 Posted by: vk | Dec 13 2019 19:24 utc | 92 Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 19:59 utc | 95 And they are moving after Europe now. Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 20:03 utc | 96 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 13 2019 13:04 utc | 54 Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 20:07 utc | 97 The Brexit flip flop did him in. Posted by: MadMax2 | Dec 13 2019 20:12 utc | 98 @ Posted by: Passer by | Dec 13 2019 19:59 utc | 95 I notice that a lot of posters here are anti-EU. That’s very common among people who have no idea how business and trade work, who haven’t seen the trucks whizzing up and down European autoroutes, and how essential the Single Market is to Just-in-Time strategies. Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 13 2019 20:53 utc | 100 |
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