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November 17, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2019-68

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Hong Kong protesters hurl PETROL BOMBS at volunteers trying to clear roadblocks and shoot ARROWS at police - RT

A detailed timeline of Brennan's shenanigans.
The Brennan Dossier: All About a Prime Mover of Russiagate - Aaron Maté - RealClearImvestigations
Confirmed: Dems switched from “quid pro quo” to “bribery” because a focus group told them it was better - HotAir

25 close relatives of ISIS leader were living in Turkey freely for years, possibly many of them working for IS. - Ahval

Aaron Maté interviews Theodor Postol
Syria scandal: New whistleblower claims UN chemical weapons watchdog buried Douma evidence (vid) - Push Back
Postol makes an interesting point with regards to the incident in Khan Sheikhun where, according to the report of the Joint Investigation Mechanism, a quarter of the casualties arrived in hospitals before the incident happened.
Postol says he thinks that the report used graphics and other "expert" information from the British amateur infowar outlet Bellingcat. He also says that some of the graphics in the JIT report are not to size.
That brought me back to the final OPCW report on the Douma incident. This (Pg 62ff) is supposed to be a simulation of the gas cylinder that was found on the bed.


The proportions of the hole and the simulated cylinder seem not to fit to each other.


Other issues:



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Posted by b on November 17, 2019 at 14:58 UTC | Permalink

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"Does this mean te UK has no excuse to hold [Assange]?" --dh @199

Sadly, they just make up excuses to continue detention, kinda like how the police in the US can arrest you for resisting arrest, and that "resistance" can be anything these days, even asking why you are being arrested.

Ah, if only the whole world had police and authorities as kind and gentle and reasonable as those in Hong Kong!

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 19 2019 14:56 utc | 201

john brewster | Nov 19 2019 14:47 utc | 203

I found the trio of Asia Times articles on LENR quite reasonably credible. They claim repeatability and some theoretical understanding, and very high gain, delta E. Very high.

Otherwise? Sure. Those patents look like ringers to me. What's interesting is the motive, not the magic, so to say.

Distraction seems like a fair assumption as motive. This begs the question of distraction from what? Often there is more than one motive and more than one beneficiary in well-run intelops and crimes.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 19 2019 14:57 utc | 202

the rape charges were always a farce, just an excuse to get assange to the u.s.
in other news, 2 prison guards arrested in connection with the epstein death. william calley and the abu ghraib grunts send their regards.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2019 15:16 utc | 203

@ dh 199

The UK has no excuse to hold [Assange] him.

Lawless UK will continue the extradition case on behalf of exceptional special relationships -

And the learned judge has a

Conflict of Interest:Julian Assange’s Judge and Her Husband’s Links to the British Military Establishment Exposed by WikiLeaks

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 19 2019 15:22 utc | 204

Old Microbiologist @ 184

Thanks for a lot of detail. However, one statement bothers me:

Even if you inject sterile saline alone into a given population roughly 1 in 1,000 people will die just from the injection even from something as innocuous as saline.

If that were true, what about the millions of flu shots given every year? Wouldn't we expect 1,000 deaths per million flu shots? Wouldn't that have raised quite a ruckus?

Please correct me if there is something I don't understand.

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 19 2019 15:25 utc | 205

Recall little orange man, the liar, during 2016 campaign for prez hailed WikiLeaks;

5 times Trump praised WikiLeaks during his 2016 election campaign - BusinessInsider

and hours after Assange's arrest in London
Trump Claims to Know "Nothing" About WikiLeaks - Years After

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 19 2019 15:35 utc | 206

Walter - 205
Patents as distraction? I'd take them as red herring, in the vain hope of fooling the Russians, or maybe the Chinese, to focus and waste time and resources on a dead-end research alley.

About Meyssan, some interesting tidbits there. I tend to agree with most of his conclusions - though not always with his historical exposes. The global conclusion and the assessment of current US goals are specially important, imho - Trump and his guys realised that the US is way overextended, and just like the Roman Empire in the 3rd century and afterwards, the US will have to give way and cede ground in peripheral countries to focus on its core, the Americas, leaving the bulk of Eurasia-Africa to other players.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 19 2019 15:43 utc | 207

King Lear's proposition that China is "cozy" with USA and Wm Gruff's approving "and why not?" is wrong-headed and dangerous.

It seems clear that China did everything it could to prepare for a time when it could act independently of USA and with Russia's help that time has come. It built its tech and economy - rebuffing attempts by USA to control these; participated in and constructed alternative financial and trade structures; and patiently forged valuable alliances.

USA ignored these things as long it believed that it would eventually isolate China. USA Deep State shat its pants in 2014 when it became clear that their NWO fantasies had been dashed.

USA certainly would like to split Russia and China and will do everything possible to highlight their differences and create and/or exacerbate any conflicts between the two.

One possible strategm is to pretend that one of the two is willing to cut a deal that will leave the leaders of the other isolated and facing a future of decline until death via violent regime-change.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2019 16:03 utc | 208

Old Microbiologist @184

Do you happen to have access to the studies I referred to at 42 USC 300aa-27: Mandate for safer childhood vaccines ?


Posted by: pogohere | Nov 19 2019 16:13 utc | 209

Walter @ 205

Thanks for the Asia Times articles. For others interested, the link is:

Cold fusion 2: Japan wins with systematic method

I really shouldn't have lumped LENR in with EmDrive. LENR research is legitimate. I followed LENR for about five years until the over-promising by charlatans got to me. I had seen the Japanese results when they came out, and they are technically solid. The Japanese can attend to detail like no one else, and that's needed here. I think there really is some nuclear/solid state physics happening in LENR, but commercialization requires both better theory and better development. I like the Widom-Larsen electron capture theory, but that's just personal preference.

My gripe with areas like LENR is that they easily get caught in the aptly named
Hype Cycle. Then the ratio of real research to charlatans seeking funds gets small, and not worth reading. I guess I should go read this years ICCF proceedings.

I also follow the Polywell folks. Another outfit that does the experiments and doesn't over-hype.

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 19 2019 16:21 utc | 210

TASS suggests adopting world media charter to fight fake news

At the meeting, the sides discussed the challenges and prospects that media outlets face given the proliferation of new media technologies. The event, which is held at the initiative of China’s state-run Xinhua news agency, is attended by the world’s major news agencies — TASS, Associated Press, Reuters, the BBC, Agence France-Presse (AFP), ANSA, Kyodo and others.

This appears to be an interesting development. The world and the world population needs an international platform for media credibility. It should not be a censoring platform, but some kind of rating agency where each 'consensus' among media outlets will be judged by its credibility. It will be a very difficult task.

Posted by: Phil | Nov 19 2019 16:31 utc | 211

@ old microbiologist

Thank you for the input on the subject.

It is clear that your field of expertise is in the area of "orphan" vaccines or those which are necessary for military and the like.

I would be curious as to your opinion re: what I have been blathering about on moa for quite some time and that is mandated forced vaccination on children, particularly the mmr as the big rub around the debate is unvaccinated threatening immunocompromised with measles.

Every other common childhood vaccine is of little import with regards to the theory of here immunity. The Dtap for children has recently been revealed to not inhibit carriers with whooping cough, contrary to what the cdc has yet to update the public on, as well as their schedule. Every other childhood illness affecting the west has more or less been eradicated through updated infrastructure, hygiene, sanitation, and diet.

The crux of the issue is measles, the mmr, and the unvaccinated.

If you look at my prior posts above, I point out that measles mortality and yes, even case numbers, were in freefall to negligible amounts far before full implementation of the effective measles vaccine that was introduced in 1968.

Knowing this, I would be interested in your opinion as to why forcing this vaccine onto children would be necessary to combat a childhood illness that has greatly fallen in incidence and complications from in the west. Or if you agree that this is an overstep by government?

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 19 2019 16:32 utc | 212

1793: Let them eat cake

2019: Let them eat nonsense

Same goddam clueless bullshit.

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You know you're screwed when your dodgy aunt fawning biographer has to publicly defend you:

Royal Family Biographer Defends Prince Andrew: "Soliciting Sex From Minors Is Not Pedophilia"

At what point does the Queen ask:
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent pedophile?"


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2019 16:35 utc | 213

Correction: *Theory of herd immunity

Pardon the extra post.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 19 2019 16:47 utc | 214

I am kind of peeved how nice countries can be smeared. "Sweden reopens rape case agains Julian Assange, May 13", "Sweden drops Julian Assange rape inquiry, 3 hours ago". I have good memories from Sweden, the forests, the moose, lakes, lake shores, 100 ways to prepare herring etc., is it fair to smear the entire country for the deeds of a damsel that looks as if she just left her bat infested mansion. Perhaps my judgment about her looks is unduly influenced by reading her rant. "I would like to emphasize that the injured party has submitted a credible and reliable version of events. Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed," Persson said. She added, "However, my overall assessment is that the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation."

Rats had a feast on the hitherto pristine evidence, or it was a corrosive effect of bat droppings?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2019 17:06 utc | 215

What are the odds of a major escalation / false flag in the coming weeks? Looking at December 12, 2019. Numerologically important date 12/12/2019 (2+0+1+9=12). Exactly 6,666 days since September 11, 2001. It happens to be the same day as the UK general elections, which was placed on that day for a reason (Brexit delays non-stop), and delay of general elections afterwards.

NATO summit coming up early December saying that space attacks will be included in the NATO defense mechanism at the coming summit. Markets at new all time highs. I hate to say so but I feel we've been intentionally led on a slippery slope down to war and the tensions are everywhere (Hong Kong/China; NK/US; Iran/US; Russia/Ukraine) not to mention that they could let markets pop any moment. They need not do much more for the spark to ignite. Anyone more upbeat about it all? I wouldn't mind some encouragement despite the sober outlooks.

Posted by: Alexander P | Nov 19 2019 17:30 utc | 216

Circe @137:

Zionist Tromp has done more for Israhell and furthered the interests of Zionism more than all previous Presidents combined.

Circe @177:

Sanders is the only candidate pushing for revolutionary change. ... if it's not Sanders, there will be serious trouble ahead.

Although Circe waives away Sander's sheepdogging in 2016 ("Enough with the damn emails!"), perhaps militant anti-Zionist Circe will find Sander's Zionism more off-putting:

The Jewish Progressive Agenda According to Bernie Sanders

In his recent extended article titled How to Fight Antisemitism, published by the purportedly ‘Left’ Jewish Currents, Sanders takes up the same line you’d expect from an ADL spokesman, ticking every Hasbara box from the Jewish right of ‘self determination ‘to the primacy of Jewish suffering.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2019 17:31 utc | 217

I'm agnostic when it comes to decide if the whole thing was a set-up or if there's a kernel of truth in the Swedish accusations.
That said "Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed" isn't proof-positive. I mean, there are hundreds of professional writers and scriptwriters in Sweden who should be able to write total fictions that are nonetheless coherent, extensive and detailed, and odds are that there are many thousands more Swedes that should be able to do it.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Nov 19 2019 17:37 utc | 218

The inverse happened at the Sandy Hook and Las Vegas shootings.
No wounded or dead appeared at any hospital before, during, or after.

Posted by: Vonu | Nov 19 2019 17:47 utc | 219

There might be a few barflies who know of the Astana Club, Kazakhstan's version of Russia's Valdai Club. Pepe Escobar was there reporting on Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif's speech, described by Pepe as "a searing account of Iran-US relations" fueled by an unnamed "Pentagon analyst’s questioning." Pepe provides a link, but to our great misfortune it's not correct. I checked his Facebook page, but nothing other than the promise of a follow-up. Zarif often links to his speech transcripts at his Twitter but again nothing. So, if you want to get the gist of what Zarif said beyond the small excerpt pasted below, you'll need to click the link:

"Zarif inevitably had to evoke Mike Pompeo: 'Today the Secretary of State of the United States says publicly: ‘If Iran wants to eat, it has to obey the United States.’ This is a war crime. Starvation is a crime against humanity. It’s a newspeak headline. If Iran wants its people to eat, it has to follow what he said. He says, ‘Death to the entire Iranian people.’'

"By then the atmosphere across the huge round table was electric."

Wonder how the puke from the Evil Outlaw US Empire felt; his personal reaction? Was he proud, shamed or indifferent? Somewhere there must be a video.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 18:04 utc | 220

While visiting Escobar's Facebook, he plugged Glenn Diesen's 2017 The Geoeconomics of Russia’s Greater Eurasia Initiative, which is now out in paperback. Here Diesen provides a summary, and here's Goodread's Open Preview. Here's another Diesen essay, "Russia, China and ‘Balance of Dependence’ in Greater Eurasia," from 2017. Here's a Sputnik interview with Diesen on the subject. And here's an Astana Club pdf 2015 paper, "The Geoeconomics of Eurasia: A View from Europe."

Amazing how far a simple book suggestion can take someone; well, at least myself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 18:33 utc | 221

Alexander P | Nov 19 2019 17:30 utc | 220 ("escalation")

I do not buy numerology in the slightest. But it sometimes seems as though "they", the cryptonani PE who schedule their events, do.

Keiser Report recently said dollar crash no more than + 9 months hence. Unequivocal statement.

Comrade President P said either "they will collapse soon" or "it will (meaning dollar) collapse soon. Either was seems pretty clear, as they and dollar are joined.

And the US (nazi)PE is in conflict internally.

Internal processes tend to explode as the parties seek advantage.

Thierry Meyssan wrote>

"Only the three Great Powers can hope to have the means to implement their policies. They can only achieve their ends without war by following the Russian line based on international law. However, the danger of internal political instability in the United States raises more than ever the risk of a generalized confrontation."

Well yeah. Plan accordingly, fellas.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 19 2019 19:32 utc | 222

"Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed"?

Standard misdirection. This is how you lie without risking libel suits. Nowhere does the Swede harpy ever state that the acuser's statements indicated a rape had occurred. This aspect of the statements is deliberately left off in order to encourage the reader to jump to the conclusion that the supplied statements coherently and extensively describe an act of rape in detail. On the other hand, the fact that the case was dismissed clearly demonstrates that the supposed victim's statements didn't actually describe anything that could be called rape, regardless of the level of coherence or detail present in those statements. In Sweden no evidence of rape is required other then the claim of the supposed victim (Sweden is very "woke" that way), so that is the evidence that the prosecutor is lacking.

Basically, the extensiveness, coherence, and detail of statements have no bearing on whether those statements describe a crime. That is just an irrelevant description of the statements. It was just included because the vile Swede harpy couldn't think of anything else to say that could do a better job of smearing Assange.

The case against Assange was dismissed because had it proceeded to trial it would have been a very high profile embarrassment for the prosecution and for Sweden as a whole.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 19 2019 19:38 utc | 223

Posted by: Walter | Nov 19 2019 19:32 utc | 226

Thanks Walter, to be honest I also did not buy too much into it, especially since one can find 'meaningful' dates all the time and then nothing happens. At the same time there is no doubt that the elites that pull the strings do believe in it and are guided by it. Putin's remarks of the iminent end of the US Dollar as world reserve currency is no coincidence. So far I always convinced myself they'd wait til after Trump's re-election to pull the plug but I may be wrong. The spending bill has been passed by the House and the Senate needs to approve it next to keep the government funded for another month, this is another canary in the coalmine.

Posted by: Alexander P | Nov 19 2019 20:31 utc | 224

"The case against Assange was dismissed because had it proceeded to trial it would have been a very high profile embarrassment for the prosecution and for Sweden as a whole."
And now there is no need for a trial-thanks to the British magistracy the next step will be punishment in the form of extradition to a jurisdiction-the United States- in which trials are pretty well a thing of the past.
It will give uncounted numbers of 'feminists' and 'liberals' enormous pleasure to think that Assange, who dared to shame them by telling the truth and revealing the crimes of their governments, is going to be tortured, humiliated and hurt. This will confirm the keystone of their philosophy which is never to offend the powerful (except on behalf of the more powerful) and to avert your eyes from any wrongdoing by the wealthy and their state.
For a moment Julian made it look as if dissent, truth telling and honesty might be celebrated. That is why the mediocracy and the coward-archy had to squash him.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 19 2019 20:45 utc | 225

Sputnik News has produced a report that should be read concerning Spain:

These 'forces' are still active in Spain and acknowledge no limits to their 'rights'. Catalonian separatists are feeling full force repression at this time for exercising their political rights as members of the EU; the ascension of Spain to that union guaranteed those rights despite some clause in the Spanish constitution's edict supposedly prohibiting. It appears there are no qualified judges sitting on Spain's supreme bench, political charlatans all at the beck and call of exPM Rajoy, himself unqualified to that position, but he did know where political skeletons were buried, the only qualification of a mid-level clerk. Dangerous times await in the wings in Spain. The patience and guidance of the King Emeritus' reign has been squandered - needlessly.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 19 2019 20:57 utc | 226

Diesen from the item linked first @225, the discussion being how Russia can use its geographical position along with its energy sources to become an Energy Superpower:

"Energy suppliers can convert economic power to political power by developing a 'swing supplier' strategy, which implies the ability to supply various consumers with energy resources from the same source. For Russia to become a major energy supplier in Asia requires drastic restructuring, since the Soviet‐era energy infrastructure was directed toward Europe. Russia’s geography creates opportunities to connect the Eurasian landmass with bimodal land‐based energy infrastructure connected to ports. Advancing Russia’s position as an energy superpower entails influence over the production, transit and consumers of energy across Eurasia within oil, gas, coal, electricity grids, and nuclear energy. Converting Europe and Asia into one large Eurasian region requires Russia to modify its European strategy from monopolizing gas supplies to instead becoming an energy hub that allows Central Asian and possibly Iranian energy to transit through Russian pipelines (Pritchin, 2015)." [My Emphasis]

There's been lots of energy devoted to generating tension between Iran and Russia by insisting their competition for energy markets would drive them apart, which is why I bolded the text above, which would enable Russia to profit from its pipeline infrastructure for additional decades by facilitating the delivery of Iranian and Qatari gas to markets once served by Russia. Of course, there's much more content than just the energy issue as the essay is very comprehensive. Similarly, various wags have attempted to say that Russia will become enslaved to China or that China has hegemonic ambitions, both of which are addressed. Current academic and business oriented books on the topic are selling for $125+, so getting most of the content freely is a huge bonus. It's also easy to see why Russia's being vilified as the global competitive paradigm shifts back to Geoeconomics--yes, back, meaning humanity's been here before, although the actors are different.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 21:20 utc | 227

As usual, I came across yet another important publication, "ENERGY STRATEGY of RUSSIA FOR THE PERIOD UP TO 2030", while reading another. Published in 2010, it's likely been updated, but the overall thrust likely remains.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 21:36 utc | 228

DH @ 199:

The UK authorities are holding Julian Assange because the United Sstates government has 18 criminal charges against him which relate to illegally obtaining, receiving and publicly disclosing classified information.

The Swedes washed their hands of the rape charges when their own prosecutor generals realised the charges would never stand up in a court of law after they were finally forced to go to London to interview Julian Assange after all, having willingly gone to Serbia to interview someone suspected of committing murder in Sweden. Despite this, the UK government is still kicking Sweden to renew the rape charges against Assange.

So the UK continues to hold Assange just in case Stockholm decides (under pressure, of course: the case can be reopened any time up to April 2020, after which month it can no longer be reopened for statute of limitations reasons) to reopen its case against him.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 19 2019 21:37 utc | 229

@233 Thanks Jen. I thought Assange was jailed in UK for 'breaching bail conditions' or some such pretext. He was sentenced to 50 weeks in jail I believe.
I don't understand what is stopping the UK authorities from simply extraditing him to the US.

Posted by: dh | Nov 19 2019 21:45 utc | 230

Still from the first linked essay @225, perhaps the reason Trump warned of German/EU dependence on Russian energy supplies that was scoffed at:

"Russia’s immense amount of gas supplies in Western Siberia indicates that the 'need to divert the gas between the two markets for commercial reasons is minimal or non‐existent for the time being' (Paik, 2015, p. 9). The political reasons are more important since the ability to divert supplies skews the 'balance of dependence.' The Power of Siberia‐2 pipeline would present a strong deterrent for the EU to impose sanctions or engage in other economic coercion against Russia. The potential geoeconomic implications of Russia establishing itself as a swing supplier is not sufficiently recognized in the West, according to Paik (2014) who argues that it is 'a dream situation for Russia but will be a nightmare for Europe.' [My Emphasis]

Power of Siberia's being filled to its capacity and is set to start deliveries in a few weeks. That will soon be followed by another round of the Normandy Format talks. Meanwhile, NordStream-II is moving along well and will being transiting gas before the year end. Gee, almost forgot about TurkStream, which is also getting ready to open for business.

Perhaps what's amazing is even with the completion of those projects, the envisioned system is only about half complete!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 22:04 utc | 231

Ah, should have added that those hydrocarbons will all be bought and paid for without dollars. Lots of additional monies to use for furthering Russia's development.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 22:08 utc | 232

@ : Alexander P | Nov 19 2019 20:31 utc | 228 (dollar kaputski 9 mo)

I figured, according to the cynical attitude produced slumming amongst cons and nutzlosenvolk (and working in skilled trades etc) that The Old Army Game, which spices itself with betrayal, would gift comrade That Good Man, presidente Trumper as pharmacos. Pharmacos. The fall guy. Hustlers of the world (and poor Trumpie is) beware the one Mark you cannot Beat, The Mark Inside."

All victories bring the shadows of betrayal... God's jokes are cold, eh?

Posted by: Walter | Nov 19 2019 22:14 utc | 233

Sorry to add to the clutter on this thread. I thought Californians ought to read this part, as well as other interested parties. Yes, I'm impressed, and it's no wonder Russia has no worries over its relations with Georgia:

"Electricity grids are the backbone of domestic energy supplies and are therefore imperative for the development of an economy, which is why they are usually under government control. Russia has grown rapidly in electricity exports to China and Central Asia. The Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) is developing a regional energy market that will have a considerable impact, irrespective of divergent interests by its member states (Pastukhova & Westphal, 2016, p. 1). A single market for electricity is also evolving between Russia, Georgia, Armenia, and Iran following an agreement on harmonizing electricity grids. These efforts are to be replicated in Central Asia and in the Far East by creating a common supergrid system with China, South Korea, and Japan. A circular electric power system is also sought to encompass Siberia, China’s Western regions, Kazakhstan, and other Central Asian states."

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 19 2019 22:16 utc | 234

More clutter?
Rick Salutin, common sense and the impeachment hearings...

Posted by: bevin | Nov 20 2019 0:10 utc | 235

@NemesisCalling #132
While I understand your political concern, you yet again failed to address the 2 questions I asked several times:
Is vaccination ineffective?
Does vaccination do more harm than good at a societal level?
Your statements to date are that vaccination is not a primary reason for improved health, but this doesn’t address the first question. And if the answer to the first question is “some effectiveness”, the 2nd question comes into play.
Your argument seems to be a libertarian version of the precautionary principle: allow no government dictates in case they are abused. You’re perfectly entitled to this opinion, but your opinion would be one of many.
If the many vote against you, will you accept it?
As for poop therapy: never said it was a cure or proven that Crohns is due to autoimmune.syndrome. However, the type of a damage it causes spans so many types and lifestyles that it is hard to see it as anyone except an environmental poison, but no one has ever found anything remotely feasible.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2019 0:27 utc | 236

pretzelattack #201

what on earth does the "liberal left" have to do with anti vaxers?

Nothing whatsoever.

Most anti vaxers I have met are loony right, breathlessly awaiting the rapture and thinking armagedon only happens to the other. People who spray the epithet liberal left are likely found at loony right websites in my experience.

This epithet is an historical technique the capitalist stooges and their running dogs used to dismiss people who advocated for civil society, social ownership of key society infrastructure such as education, finance, health, transport etc.

The minute I see that term I slot the user in to the happy clapper, loony right basket until proof otherwise. That way I can trawl the odd loony right site and garner any valuables. Its my ideological vaccine against blastocystus fascistii.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 20 2019 0:40 utc | 237

@pogohere #168&169
No, I haven’t looked at those reports. I am not a medical professional, but I have looked at anti-vaxxer documentation and have found it to be highly unconvincing.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2019 0:41 utc | 238

@Doesit Matter #187
The thing to keep in mind with a patent is that there is no test to see if the process/substance/device works.
Proof is in the pudding, and I don’t see any flying cars around.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 20 2019 0:51 utc | 239

bevin @239--

Well, given the clutter & drivel on the Iran thread, the article at your link does beg at least one question: When is it properly called an impeachment? Yes, the hearings are called impeachment hearings and it's impeachment testimony all aimed at drawing up Articles of Impeachment; but it's also the impeachment process which includes the trial in the Senate, and one can be impeached but not convicted. The Free Dictionary notes these conundrums which the press exacerbates by its own improper usage of the term.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2019 0:51 utc | 240

DH @ 234:

Sorry the statute of limitations on the rape charges against Assange in Sweden expires in August 2020, not April 2020 as I had said @ 233.

Yes that's right, Assange was sent to prison for 50 weeks for breaching bail conditions.

There will be a second case management hearing in court on 19 December before a full extradition (to the US) hearing starting on 25 February 2020.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 20 2019 1:12 utc | 241

@242 Thanks again. I don't think the Swedish case is a factor anymore. The Swedes have washed their hands of it.

He was technical free on Sept 22nd. But they put him back in jail, without bail, pending an extradition hearing in Feb. The US will presumably make a formal application. I fear it’s all just a formality anyway. They will do what they want with Assange.

Posted by: dh | Nov 20 2019 1:25 utc | 242

sarz 96
*Bernhard, wish you would take a look at this Reuters report about leaked papers showing Xi calling in 2014 for "showing absolutely no mercy"[sic] in Xinjiang, in light of a stabbing spree in which 31 people were killed.*

tsk tsk tsk....

These days everybody are so into MUslim welfare in China .

Well sarz old chap, if your beat is Muslim human rights, dont have to go beyond motherland India !

Posted by: denk | Nov 20 2019 2:42 utc | 243

Thanks very much for responding to my post, snake @ 143, but if you read the transcript of the address you will see that Barr is not saying any such thing as you accuse him of - that is, he is addressing the balance of powers that the founders were intent upon creating - you mention 'the federalist' by which I presume you mean The Federalist Papers, which were and are articles written by certain of those persons to explain elements of the Constitution. I have read those but I confess it was some time ago. I do still have a copy, and your advice to reread it is well founded. We all should, at least, those of us who are in the US ought to.

Barr does say that it was envisioned there would be a healthy back and forth (my words not his) on matters of policy and power between the three segments of government, but he also gives compelling arguments that instead the judicial and the legislative branches have ganged up and taken power from the executive branch, even installing departments within the executive branch that work against the president. (You will have to consult the speech to see exactly what he says on this.)

And thank you, too, uncle tungsten @ 164. I agree with much of your post, just as I agreed with much of Barr's address. However, when it comes to assertions concerning his conservative views, you seem to cast in concrete that appellation and throw it into the river - condemning the text of his remarks because you have an opinion about conservatism that outweighs any need to go further.

This man is the Attorney General of the US now, not at any previous time. His understanding of Constitutional issues is worth reading. He deserves to be listened to for his arguments, and those arguments are what my post is about. I'm not questioning his character, any more than I do the character of posters here. I want to know if what he says has merit. So far nobody but Likklemore and I seem to have read the entire address. And that's a pity.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 20 2019 3:10 utc | 244

I will just add that when I asked if Putin and Xi had a more balanced power in their roles as respective world leaders I was thinking that executing a policy is what an executive does, and we see the US without a clear policy as far as that sovereignty of the people the Constitution expresses, whereas the other two leaders have it, and their people are happy. No more than that. I certainly know they have far different constructions in their respective governments, but care for the people's welfare is foundational to them. We the people of the United States don't have anything like the connection those peoples feel to their government. We are being shortchanged. And I think Barr is pointing out some of the reasons why.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 20 2019 3:20 utc | 245

Now thats a damned good question....

Considering that murikkans are so enthusiastic rooting for 'rev'
everywhere else...

Posted by: denk | Nov 20 2019 3:31 utc | 246

Below is a link to Xinhuanet that makes me want to know more about China's bottom up approach to social governance

Small town in China shares social governance experience with world

Watch the too short video with the assumedly British speaker

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2019 5:39 utc | 247

Below is another link to a Xinhuanet article and this one supports my contention that China has public finance at its core

China's central bank urges financial sector to serve real economy

A month or so ago I read another Xinhuanet posting that was too short and vague to bring to MoA but it basically said to me that annually some China group of banking/political bureaucrats get together and figure out where to apply "Debt Jubilee" to the finance system....just like Michael Hudson says use to happen and is sorely needed in the West.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2019 5:48 utc | 248

Below is another Xinhuanet posting about Syria I have not read about elsewhere

DAMASCUS, Nov. 20 (Xinhua) -- The Syrian air defenses on Wednesday responded to foreign missile strikes on Damascus, state media reported.

The air defenses intercepted a number of missiles in southern Damascus, said the state TV.

Sound of explosions was reverberating across the capital city early Wednesday morning, it reported.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2019 5:50 utc | 249

Thank you Juliania for reading my response to your discussion about Barr @117. But I did not accuse Barr of anything.. I responded to your comment at the end of your post".

<== I take strong objection to.. the attempt by many at the constitutional convention to make the position of the President so powerful the position would carry the powers of king (Many wanted Washington to be king) . I think calling the result (which was "President" is far from a miracle). The position is so powerful, and so secret and no even within the voting power of non electoral college Americans, and in my opinion that power in one person accounts for a substantial part of the problems we in America face today.
to be clear.the part of your comment that I responded to was

"Things changed by the Constitutional Convention of 1787. To my mind, the real “miracle” in Philadelphia that summer was the creation of a strong Executive, independent of, and coequal with, the other two branches of government..."Posted by: juliania @ 117 at 245 ". Just want to make clear my response was not about Barr, but about your comment at the bottom of your post. as cited herein.

Posted by: snake | Nov 20 2019 7:16 utc | 250

Walter, you are correct for the general population in America. Not true for military who have exchanged their Constitutional rights for the Uniform Code of Military Justice, similar, but not identical. You have no right of refusal without punitive consequences in the military. Germany yesterday passed a law requiring vaccinations in all children, teachers, police, and health care workers and failure to do so is subject to a 2,500 Euro fine. This is becoming common now in Europe in response to the exponential increase in controllable diseases mostly because of the influx of diseased immigrants and nutty anti-vaxxer liberals. The US is facing this problem now and it is becoming an existential threat so I can predict a change in laws mandating it in the US as well, likely as an emergency requirement.

Ethically, it comes down to the problem of individual rights and the greater good for society. We have already seen these individual rights completely eroded under the Patriot Act so it is just a matter of inclusion. Note the Patriot Act was extended again in secret while everyone is focused on the impeachment allowing unfettered spying on all Americans and no right to an attorney and indefinite detention should you be suspected of terrorism which is in itself a very vague term. Given that under Obama there was also introduced a policy that any Federal employee can put any US citizen on the terrorist watch list secretly. Don't piss off your postman. So, I wouldn't wave the flag and law too much should an epidemic of biblical proportions begin. The rule changes permitting virtually anything are already in place. We are already seeing plague, typhus, and typhoid in Los Angeles among the homeless and they have begun active screening for Ebola at all US points of entry again. Add in the new strain of Swine flu wiping out the pigs in the world which has just entered the US and these virii can evolve into human hosts very easily so we are seeing some pretty dramatic problems already. We also are seeing massive increases in tuberculosis and a new drug resistant syphilis plus there are now 4 major common infections that are completely drug resistant. Things don't look good these days if we don't get a handle on sanitation, screening immigrants, and vaccinations.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2019 11:46 utc | 251

It is said that website "natural news" is recently suppressed by algorithm or otherwise in search-engines. Although I always took their claims with considerable skepticism, I also know that even liars and lunatics often say true the witches in MacBeth do...and since "they" took the trouble to suppress it, I read it more carefully than previously.

Speaking of MacBeth...and the porter, the clown, may mind some of That Good Man, Trumpie.

Accordingly, NN posted a fairly convincing story about attempts to do away with "Duncan".

I suggest it's quite possibly does seem to pass the test of consilience.

naturalnews [dot] com title (alas, lurid!) >"EXCLUSIVE – President Trump makes unscheduled stop at military hospital to undergo battery of tests for possible deliberate poisoning of food with “time delayed” chemical agent; food tester gravely ill – White House connected source"

Yeah, suspect source, but think about what happened to FDR, think about the lies.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 20 2019 11:51 utc | 252

Pogophere: Yes, I have read it but unless there is a ton of money coming along with it then it will amount to nothing. In my career we were tasked with developing vaccines to protect soldiers from endemic threats. Generally, these were relatively small efforts although there were some larger ones such as the malarial vaccine program which got 100 times more than the rest of us combined. I think after 50 years of research and billions of dollars they might just finally have a candidate vaccine that might give some protection.

The problem is you have to have a full understanding of a particular disease agent and a complete understanding of the pathogenicity of the disease in humans and any animal/insect hosts it passes through. Then you can try and develop targets. Every pathogen operates differently and all are trying to survive a host response long enough to live to reproduce. This is the basic law of nature. A disease that is too hot and kills off it's host will not persist as it burns out. Ebola is like that but there is some reeservior out there which remains undiscovered despite numerous expeditions to find them. In that reservoir it apparently lives longer or the host is not affected. There is an example of this in non-human primates who suffer from type B Herpes which in monkeys causes cold sores but is 100% fatal in humans. I know this as all my NHP work every animal had Herpes B (as no animals are permitted to survive our experiments this helps to cull the colony of Herpes B infected animals). Anyway, once you get a handle on the disease then you have to determine what types of immune responses if any occur and if they are in fact protective. Then you must come up with a combination of sub-components which give the same immune response in an animal model. Typical you do this work in mice because they are cheap and you can run through a lot of them easily. If you get a protective response in mice then you move to a second model such as NHP. If this works then you start looking at dose response and safety issues and playing around with various adjuvants. Then you run a seminal study to determine efficacy against different challenge doses and routes of infection. Once you get there you then try and move it to human studies. The first process generally costs roughly $100 million and as little as 10 years but usually more. Moving into humans gets into big money fast. In general, you are now only required to do the safety testing in multiple target populations as the 2 animal rule lets you bypass efficacy studies. If it is safe and it works in 2 different animal models then you can start giving it to people for use. BUt, even then it must be tracked for efficacy rates and negative side effects. It is possible that even if it works in animals it might not work in humans or could cause some severe problems in population groups not studied originally (various ethnic groups too small to be included statistically). So, all of this takes a lot of time and a very large amount of money and this has to be done for every single disease out there. Some are easier than others and some, like plague, tularemia, glanders, malaria and HIV, seem to be impossible no matter how much money you throw at it.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2019 12:07 utc | 253

Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2019 11:46 utc | 252 (your reply to Walter)

I can't find fault in what you wrote, and I agree with it so far as I know about things.

The point, my point, is not that the international law will be obeyed. Rather otherwise.

And a cogent argument can be constructed to support the idea that the US's entry into I.L. (treaties, generally) has been fraudulent, since deep policy since at least march of '44 has been to conquer Russia (Groves quote / Alperovtz). Thus a rationalization might be made for doing what they want to do.

I am surprised by the bald and stark scene you described as on the horizon. I was only vaguely aware - but the post brought a lot together. We're pretty isolated I guess (and hope).


Posted by: Walter | Nov 20 2019 12:22 utc | 254

Walter, I agree with you completely. There isn't a single treaty that the US hasn't broken or threatened to break. This is not new only more obvious under Trump.

It is actually a lot worse than I stated. Pharmaceutical companies are now no longer doing any research whatsoever for new antibiotics. It was decided it is not profitable and too high risk (risk/gain ratios). The same problem exists for vaccines but worse. Most zoonotic diseases that have the potential for mass epidemics are in places too poor to afford vaccines and it is not profitable to do this work as there are no buyers for them other than the government so it is a one-off proposition. The Gates Foundation has done a lot in the way of funding some of these but that is insufficient. The military has actually cut vaccine development to a point where we won't see any results at all now. This is despite massive increases in overall military funding which apparently mostly goes into plutocrat's pockets or weapons designed to not work but costs a lot of money to improve.

One other problem, and this a big one, is that to actually perform this work you need experience and training. Because the military and NIH have gone to entrepreneurial management, meaning you must go find your own funding and funding is no longer central, there are fluctuations in money supply to keep people on staff during lean years. There was a time the command had a requirement and assigned the project to a leader and his group along with funding in 5 year increments. If you make progress then the funding continues. If not it gets put over to a new group. THat is no longer the case. My commander had no clue what projects we were working on at all. That even extended up to the MACOM level. Only the Defense Threat Reduction Agency had a clue and even then they go through contractor program managers roughly every 6 months (they have over 400 of them) and they are only interested in making progress charts and GANTT charts, all of which the researcher has to do himself on the monthly reports). You rarely meet them or even speak to them and even if you did the guy you were working with is usually gone too soon to even understand what is happening on a given project even assuming they have a clue to begin with. As Reagan said about government the scariest words are "I am from the government and I am here to help". So, expecting government to respond to this in any meaningful fashion is ridiculous at best. They will pad someone's pockets, you can be sure of that but the outcomes are always way down the road.

Once people are trained up and that takes a minimum of 4 years for doctoral level scientists, if they get cut they don't come back. I suffered under this problem trying to keep a staff on board when the military whacked our vaccine off the priority list because it was a non-lethal agent. I was able to scramble and get different funding for other projects by reaching out to others to prostitute my services for animal studies performed under high threat containment conditions which is a relatively scarce commodity. After my retirement they completely closed our labs entirely because the security and management costs were so high. High consequence pathogen work is tough and hard to do and requires a ton of regulatory oversight. Such is life. All my people have spread to the four corners of the world (doing whatever they can to survive as scientists) and none are ever willing to come back to work for the US government again. The guy I left in charge following me was not up to the task of fighting off pencil-necked geek bureaucrats. He thought he had to work within the chain of command so got closed in the process. I knew better and thought I had trained him well but he turned out to be a pussy and gave in under threats. Most blame me for retiring but frankly I couldn't work in a space suit 12 hours a day any more lugging around heavy monkeys and working through 3 layers of glass inside glove boxes doing aerosol exposures in a negative pressure suite working with agents that have 100% lethality and no treatments. Physically, it was too much for me.

I have buddies in the pharmaceutical industry who have horror stories much worse than mine. Academia is even worse.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2019 13:14 utc | 256

Walter, I forgot to mention the last problem which is studying the effects of giving more than one vaccine and how they interact. THis makes the problem exponentially difficult. Then you have issues to address such as shelf life, how long immunity persists, etc. which take years to determine.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2019 13:16 utc | 257

This is funny:

Stoltenberg Reveals Why NATO is Spending Twenty Times More on Defence Than Russia

“When it comes to these figures and numbers, we are an effective alliance and we have effective armies, but the cost level is much higher, reflecting just a higher standard of living,” Stoltenberg said, speaking at a press conference in Brussels on Tuesday.

So, those Paradise on Earth like Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Poland, Montenegro, Greece, Croatia, Sloveina, Turkey and Albania must be rolling!

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2019 13:19 utc | 258

@ vk

I you had ever done work for military in any respect, there would be no question as to why our costs are so high.

The upside is we will hopefully bankrupt ourselves before we can enslave the entire world.
The downside is the business old killing people is highly rewarding - essentially driving U.S. economy.

Posted by: jared | Nov 20 2019 13:29 utc | 259

I briefly saw Schiff on TV making impassioned speach for why Trump is guilty (seems even mock trial is really a waste of taxpayer dollars).
Before I could change the channel (remote batteries are low), he said that the Trumps had held-up military aid and had released it only once they were caught - hands in cookie jar.

Does evidence tend to support this claim. I was confused where was the substance behind "trial" - that warranted formal proceedings.

I do not find anywhere a balanced analysis.

I do find it surprising that this sort of double-dealing Vindman is in a position to incriminate Trump - is he credible I wonder.

Posted by: jared | Nov 20 2019 13:38 utc | 260

I can almost hear Putin, the Trump whisperer, hinting that Zelensky, the neophyte infused with the rush of victory but missing the crowning Trump touch, is ripe easy for the hard to get technique. So Z'll do just about anything to help Trump destroy his political adversary if Trump keeps Z dangling.

Let me put it this way: Putin planted the seed, but a little thing called karma blew the whistle and got in the way.

Let's see if Zionists have a trick up their sleeve to pull Trump's fat ass out of the fire AGAIN as per Zionist firewall Barr puts anti-climax jinx on Mueller's report.

There's an investigation of the investgation on ice right now that Zionist firewall Barr is going to release at any moment. Watch for the timing of this or any other lifesaver DISTRACTION.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 13:53 utc | 261

Here's Putin's thinking right now: Aye! Why can't bumbling Trump do subterfuge with the same finesse as me...oh well another one bites the dust.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 14:03 utc | 262

Snake @ 254:

".... Just want to make clear my response was not about Barr, but about your comment at the bottom of your post. as cited herein. "

If you will please refer to my comment again, Snake, you will see that it is a quote from Barr, not my own phrasing. But thanks for giving an answer to him in part - at least from the quote I gave. If you would read further in the speech itself, you would see why he says that. I am not going to continue to quote from it here, but I will return with the link so you can address his reasons for saying that if you wish.

Your comment was about Barr, but only about his preamble. If you disagree with that you will have to disagree with his later remarks.

Thanks very much for responding.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 20 2019 14:06 utc | 263

Circe @ 165

I can't say I understand all of your allusionary (spellcheck doesn't like - I did say 'all' not 'ill') post, but first up I did notice RT has a segment with Zelensky looking unhappy about all the focus on Ukraine in the impeachment effort (which we have also focused on here, whistleblower and all). The comment I remember seeing in passing was that Zelensky felt he had enough to deal with at home and didn't need what is presently going on in the US to distract from his own priorities there. Perfectly understandable, that. Unfortunately the buck does stop there in some respects. O what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

I see that you are hauling Barr over your coals; that is hopeful ;)

Posted by: juliania | Nov 20 2019 14:18 utc | 264

I want to put a question out there: Did Trump suborn perjury with Stone, Cohen, maybe Flynn and now Sondland and maybe others? If it can be proven; he's in a world of legal hurt.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 14:24 utc | 265

Very good joke, by Brazilian China expert Elias Jabbour (from his Facebook page):


O pressuposto é o seguinte: "a China é uma variante asiática de capitalismo de Estado". Tudo bem. Agora pensem: se nos EUA, o partido Democrata mudasse seu nome para "Partido Comunista Estadunidense" e o Partido Republicano para "Partido Comunista dos EUA". O termo "marxismo-leninismo" apareceria por mais de 30 vezes na constituição do país. Mudasse a bandeira para vermelha. Atos contínuos: estatização de todo sistema financeiro e das 100 companhias localizadas nos setores estratégicos da economia. Mais: toda empresa privada obrigatoriamente teria que aguentar uma célula de um dos dois partidos observando todas as decisões de investimento. Afinal, como você classificaria os EUA: "socialista" ou "capitalismo de Estado"?



The following presupposition is: "China is an Asiatic variant of State capitalism". Ok. Now, think about this: if, in the USA, the Democratic Party changed its name to "American Communist Party" and the GOP to "Communsit Party of the USA". The term "Marxism-Leninism" would show up more than 30 times in its Constitution. Changed its flag to Red. Following acts: statization of all the financial system and of the 100 main corporations from the strategic sectors of the economy. One more: every private company would be forced by Law to have a cell of one of the two main parties observing all of its investment decisions. After all that, would you classify the USA as "socialist" or as "State capitalist"?

Posted by: vk | Nov 20 2019 14:26 utc | 266

Just in case Circe or others would like to read the entire speech I have now bookmarked and comment upon it, I will practise my newly acquired skills in re-establishing a link to it herein:


For such an important speech, this was really hard to do! Hope it works!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 20 2019 14:51 utc | 267

denk 250

This is a tough question,
I'll make it easy,
multiple choices :-)

1] murikkan are pussies,

2] murikkan are all contend with their lots,

3] there aint no murikkan embassy in Washington DC

4] Unlike those 'HK freedom fighters',
murikkans aint blessed with 'western education' ! , [a]

5] They'r too busy standing up to the evil CCP ,half way across the globe in China/

6] murikkan are gawd damned hypocrites,

7] they'r too busy writing comments in some blog

8] all of the above.

This one needs some elaboration,

somebody claims that those western educated HK 'freedom fighters' are blessed with their western education, kinda like 'Give me liberty, or give me death!', that sort of stuff, which spur them on to fight, instead of fading away.

Posted by: denk | Nov 20 2019 14:53 utc | 268

Very sorry, fellow barstool occupants. Once again although I painstakingly went to the link provided by the Justice Department website to the actual speech,got it corrected at preview, it is being redirected to the site only. To my mind that is further proof of the assertions in the speech itself. You can scroll down or perhaps use a 'search' to get the text. Obviously they are trying to hide it - or am I just being paranoid?

(insert smiley face)

Here, though, is the small explanation of what Barr is intending to corroborate within the text of his remarks, in his own words!

"...I deeply admire the American Presidency as a political and constitutional institution. I believe it is, one of the great, and remarkable innovations in our Constitution, and has been one of the most successful features of the Constitution in protecting the liberties of the American people. More than any other branch, it has fulfilled the expectations of the Framers..."

My bolds!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 20 2019 15:01 utc | 269

@ : Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2019 13:14 utc | 260

I understand what you're saying. I did contract work for the Army for 6 years. They were idiots and dangerous, but they also had a few very able scientists - in the optics labs and in the nuclear labs. At one level they were great. At another... I got to work with an engineering tech who'd worked with von had interesting aspects. Great stories.

When they blew Yugoslavia I requested lay-off loudly at the O-Club, right at the bar where my project manager was getting wasted with the CO (and I found out later...well, there may have been a drug problem somewheres...) but due to financial considerations I didn't quit. They kept me going through Desert Storm, but I mostly read the paper. Rode my bicycle with a clip-board and pencil. You know. They gave me a medal, imagine that. I was late to the presentation and made the CO wait. Nobody said a word. But there were smiles... Later on there was an unusual death, too. Something I wonder about. An accident they said.

The logic I imagined in re treaties was/is that treaties exist in contracts, contract law. and a contract entered into with fraudulent intent is not a contract. It not only does not bind the fraudster, it doesn't bind any other party. Thus when an act that obviously criminal in statute is moot, essentially void. One can posit such logic.

I understand how hard it is to gather a workable group, and I too have horror stories. Mostly steam and gas stuff, and dropping giant machines due to PPJ and inexperience, poor management. Like the blow out in the gulf of M.

By the way, it's come out that they had a near-miss accident with nukewaste at San Onofre, a thinwall cask hung up 18 feet above the concrete getting lowered by amateurs into a silo, incredibly said silo is MSL+2' . Anyway it hung there with slack cable for an hour before somebody noticed. Big tin can full of GKW. Pyrophoric too. Great stuff.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 20 2019 15:32 utc | 270

I frequently watch snippets of PBS Snooze Hour and CBS Evening Propaganda just to keep up with the party line. The awful CBS News is slightly preferable to PBS because CBS doesn't have time for an endless parade of stink tankers.

Last night I listened to CBS describing Vindman as wearing a "full uniform with a chest full of service medals". There was even something about Vindman being in a documentary as a brave immigrant child escaping the Evil USSR. How dare Trump and associates say anything critical of a Brave Warrior! The newsreaders were all smiling and visibly excited to be telling us about the great soldier who is saving us from Trump. It's like watching a bad version of 1984 playing out in real life. Very scary.

It is particularly disturbing to see the impeachment promoters cranking up the worship of the military war heroes running the place. They are promoting the idea that Trump must go because he is resisting the advice (and policies) of "award-winning experienced professionals". As b has suggested, the party line has changed and the president is suddenly no more than a functionary whose job is to promote the party line developed by others. Exactly who those policymakers are, we are not supposed to ask or think about.

I remember the Clinton impeachment circus parade. I don't recall diplomats and career military officers testifying against Clinton. My impression is that Vindman still has a commission, so he must have a chain of command and its permission to testify. So that makes him an implicit spokesman for the generals, right? Now, how about the soldiers that really matter, the ones that drive tanks and pull triggers - how are they feeling about this whole impeachment thing?

The current proceedings feel very different from the last two impeachments. The last one ended with a whimper. I hope it ends the same way this time, but I'm not at all sure it will.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Nov 20 2019 16:04 utc | 271

Sondland: I don't recall this, that and the other.

Sondland: I do recall Trump not mentioning the aid to Ukraine.

Really?! He forgot everything and yet he remembers that.

And yet after every call with Trump, in calls and meetings with other parties, Sondland brings up that EVERYTHING meaning: official meeting and military aid were tied to statements Zelensky must make to the press

Selective memory?


Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 16:12 utc | 272

That Good Man AtG Barr's on yt at
"AG Barr delivers Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture at the 2019 National Lawyers Convention"

Posted by: Walter | Nov 20 2019 16:40 utc | 273

Let me tell you something about Trump's MODUS OPERANDI: he gets others to dirty their hands and then lie for him. That's why he's still President and all his men are behind bars or awaiting sentence!

Nitwit Sondland should go visit them, cause he's still holding back so he can salvage what's left of his reputation.

A liar doesn't lie one time. Throw the book at that WEASEL. Squeeze that bastard. He's still protecting Trump's ass!

What you have here (my analogy) is: Rudy holding the smoking gun, but Trump who ordered the hit is sitting pretty.

So the big fish casualties keep mounting and Trump's proving he can shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it.


AYE! Stupid is born every second in Amerikkka.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 16:40 utc | 274

That will destroy Zelenski..

Posted by: Mina | Nov 20 2019 16:43 utc | 275

Old Microbiologist @257

"Yes, I have read it

If you have it, please supply links to the report(s) generated pursuant to 42USC§300aa–27. Mandate for safer childhood vaccines


Posted by: pogohere | Nov 20 2019 16:50 utc | 276

TGM Barr said, interestingly, that the laws passed by legislature are, for the executive, "general rules". @10:32 see yt

And lotsa stuff. He's presenting a rhetorical grundnorm-argument, and using all the ordinary devices, name dropping, calling down the gods (it is called that).

Analysis will reveal his agenda, not that Walter gives a hoot.

After he praised that fella Meese, who once said that arrested people must be guilty, otherwise they wouldn't a been arrested...well after that it gets innarrrestin' (back in the day what Meese said to the bar association outta got him disbarred, but it didn't.) Funny about that.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 20 2019 16:51 utc | 277

RoK to sign defense deal with China thanks to Evil Outlaw US Empire extortion attempt. And Trump's made a similar demand on Japan. Well, that's one way to bring the troops home--get them evicted from the nations they occupy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2019 17:10 utc | 278

Andrew Bacevich has an interesting article-the president and the blob- at the Boston Review website (I won't attempt to give a link)
Here's an excerpt:
"... U.S. foreign policy since 9/11 has largely allowed Congress to go AWOL. The Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF), legislation passed on September 14, 2001, has amounted to a permanent permission slip presidents can invoke to mount armed interventions of various sorts, thus enabling the continual military interventions of recent years. Congress can undo this legislation whenever it chooses, but instead has all but abdicated its constitutional right to declare war."
All these congresspeople running for the Presidency and making foreign policy promises would be a lot more credible if they worked to reclaim Congress's control over Foreign Policy and warmaking. Instead they simply promise to use the President's powers more wisely, while as Bacevich suggests, most of the President's powers are actually wielded by unelected, irresponsible, nameless bureaucrats and military officers under the cloak of Presidential authority.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 20 2019 17:27 utc | 279

Here's a clue that Sondland's preservation of his reputation precedes the WHOLE truth and is therefore contingent on him protecting Trump, and this can be said of Volker as well.

Sondland was not Ambassador to Ukraine. That was Marie Yovanovitch. Sondland was Ambassador to the EU. So in order for Trump's conniving treachery to work, he needed to eliminate the Ukraine Ambassador and use PROXIES to deal with Zelensky, Sondland being one of these and Rudy another, but Rudy had a much more EXECUTOR role. Anyway, Ukrainians who really wanted EU membership would do ANYTHING to ingratiate themselves with a top Ambassador to the EU who could pull some strings.

So Sondland was up to his eyeballs in complicity to extract Trump's demands from Zelensky, but now he's playing possum on Trump's spoken intentions and depth of control in the plot to salvage what's left of his own reputation.

Cause if Sondland throws Trump completely under the bus, he'll make himself collateral damage in the process.

Therefore WEASEL TRUTH is what he's sticking to.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 17:35 utc | 280

SARZ is so excited,
NYT [sic] claims [sic] it's gotten hold a 'leaked doc'[sic] from China, ...
Xi JIng PIng
'Show no mercy ' !
OMFG, the smoking gun !


Posted by: denk | Nov 20 2019 17:47 utc | 281

Keiser Report examines the move from Geopolitics to Geoeconomics as the main venue of competition/cooperation, which is the primary locus of the books and essays I linked to @225. In the 2nd half, Keiser talks with Hudson about that dynamic and others of related importance. You might even want to listen twice!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2019 17:50 utc | 282

Did Andy ever said "Asad must go" ?

Posted by: Mina | Nov 20 2019 18:33 utc | 283




The illustrious, brainiac Dr. Frankenstein's proxy was FRANKENSTEIN. So who is the greater threat?

Hint: the one who always gets away with evil!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 20:01 utc | 284

Mina@279 - I can't find anything on that link particularly damning to Zelinski. Help?

I have no idea what to make of this story, below. I'm finding it hard to believe the Ukraine press (and all the internet for that matter) could bury/ignore this kind of announcement from the Prosecutor General's office for almost a week.

Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million

I don't know if these are the same thing - Durden's ...drawing up and indictment... and an actual indictment, but InterFax just uses the word 'suspicions'. From the InterFax article cited:

MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln

"Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," Derkach said.

This seems quite improbable - maybe a fake story. I would have thought Trump would have jumped all over this if it were true (presuming he wasn't involved).

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 20 2019 20:03 utc | 285

Putin's talk at the annual Russia Calling! business forum where he made the following remark that must be seen as diametrically opposed to Neoliberalism's emphasis:

"But it is important that interest in financial assets should be converted into investment in real assets, the creation of new production facilities and jobs and efforts to carve out promising market niches."

The underlying message: Russia's economy is not to be financialized as the fundamental goal is the betterment of the entire society:

"However, I believe that the real income of the population is, certainly, a key indicator of economic development. It is common knowledge that nominal and real wages continue to increase nationwide, but disposable income remains almost static. It goes without saying that we need to change this situation. This is a highly important aspect of the Government’s work, and very modest results have been achieved here, so far."

Socialism with Russian characteristics, if you will. Unfortunately, the Q&A portion of the transcript isn't completely posted at the above link. Fortunately, however, Sputnik has published this article which somewhat fills in the holes. Putin made the following somewhat unexpected observation about the Evil Outlaw US Empire's recent demands for greater tribute from those nations it occupies with its troops:

"Up to this point, the United States said to the Europeans: ‘We are here as an umbrella against the Soviet threat, and you must pay us for this’. Today this argument doesn’t work very well,... Therefore, the United States will have to take some sort of steps to change the character of its relations with its allies, including even in the framework of NATO. But it’s not enough today to say ‘We protect you – pay up.’ Why will America’s allies pay to support the military-industrial complex and its jobs in the US? They will develop their own. They are already talking about it right now."

Note his exclusion of the recent demands made of Japan and South Korea. What provides the context for Putin's remarks above and related others note cited is why I prefer using complete transcripts rather than informative yet incomplete news articles.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 20 2019 20:09 utc | 286

Mina @288: Did Andy ever said [sic] "Asad must go" ?

I would guess the answer is NO.

Andy doesn't seem to be a team player. Maybe because he's (forced?) to pay on another team?

Prince Andrew’s Publicist Quits Over Disastrous BBC Interview About Jeffrey Epstein

Jason Stein, 28, was brought on as Prince Andrew’s communications secretary to address the Epstein connections. However, he resigned two weeks before the interview because the royal would not take his advice not to do it. He only held the position for four weeks.

“This will go down as one of the single worst PR moves in recent history,” a source close to Buckingham Palace told the Times.


And now he's a liability. A liability that everyone detests. He should avoid private planes; yachting; Mercedes automobiles; high-speed chases by the paparazzi; etc.


There's some uncertainty about when Jason Stein actually resigned. Some reports say after the interview, some say two weeks before. In any case, one could well wonder how a guy that's running two major businesses (Windforce Ventures and Stein Co.) finds time to advise Prince Andrew about very sensitive matters, and why Prince Andrew would rely on advice from a guy that appears to have NO EXPERIENCE in reputation management or PR crisis management (skills which Buckingham Palace would have on speed-dial)? Stein's expertise is TALENT AGENCY, SOCIAL MEDIA and entrepreneurship.

Perhaps Stein Co.'s "heritage" page provides some insight:

Steins Co is named in honor of Stein’s America’s Greatest Clothiers, which was founded by Jason’s great-grandfather, Joseph, after immigrating to the U.S. to escape the pogroms in Eastern Europe.

PSA: Using your brain in any way that connects Stein to people associated with the MEGA Group or Mossad (which was likely Epstein's true sponsor) might be too taxing so don't do it./sarc

But anyone who does use their brain might well have some questions:

> How did Prince Andrew come to hire Jason Stein for Epstein-related PR?

> Are there direct or indirect connections between Stein and Epstein or anyone connected to Epstein?

> Was Andy forced into his ill-advised interview? Is the Epstein Network still blackmailing important people? Was this interview used to further distract from the speculation that Epstein was extracted?

> Why doesn't Andy call for the arrest and questioning of Ghislaine Maxwell?

> Does clueless f*ckup Andy realize that his life may be in danger?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 20 2019 20:16 utc | 287

Continuing @292

One really has to make an effort - which our feckless press is happy to do - to ignore that Prince Andrew was used to lure other people that matter(tm) into jeopardy for blackmailing.

That makes it highly likely that Prince Andrew knows. or know of, many of the people that were blackmailed.

That makes him a dangerous liability. People who are powerful enough to kill/extract Epstein will be powerful enough to get to a disgraced Prince Andrew.

After Andy's disastrous interview, no one will be surprised or care much if Andy has "an accident" or commits suicide.

Andy's best course of action may be to reveal what he knows asap.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 20 2019 21:17 utc | 288

Sondland should hang his head in SHAME not only for acting as a proxy for Trump's conniving intent with Zelensky but also for his behavior at the hearing. Someone who got the benefit of "refreshing" his memory on a previously false statement should thank his lucky stars and should have given the hearing priority over catching a flight. He was absolutely rude, huffing and puffing for the hearing to end.

I would definitely not have let him squirm out of his selective memory lapse and would have given him the Roger Stone treatment which he deserved. He got off very easy and showed absolutely no gratitude. To think that this pitiful, pathetic swamp creature is attached to any important post makes me sick. This is why foreign policy is so fcked up, but then look at who he answers to; TrumpCon. Arrgh! I need a shower after witnessing that performance!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 20 2019 21:19 utc | 289

US hand in the Bolivian coup unveiled...( in case more was needed...)
No wonder there is no money for Medicare and housing there....

What´s the price for selling a country and its people...

Bolivia Golpista Kaliman went to the United States with a million dollars

The coup general who demanded the resignation of President Evo Morales, Williams Kaliman, went to live in the United States and received a million dollars from the business manager of the Yankee embassy in Bolivia.

Just 72 hours after the coup Williams Kaliman went to live in the United States without knowing exactly what state he will hide after having collected a million dollars.

Bruce Williamson, in charge of Business at the US Embassy in La Paz was responsible for giving one million dollars to each military chief and five hundred thousand of the same currency to each police chief.

Between the mutiny of the police that allowed vengeful chaos against the socialists and indigenous people and the inaction of the Army, the coup was implemented.

Bruce Williamson would have contacted and coordinated everything since months in the Argentine province of Jujuy under the protection of its Governor Gerardo Morales, one of the closest to President Mauricio Macri.

Kaliman was immediately replaced by self-proclaimed President Janine Áñez and that way along with the other military chiefs they went to the United States to protect themselves from any immediate investigation of the local and international community.

The Trump/Macri Connection....

Trump and Macri: between Cosa Nostra and the P2 Lodge

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 20 2019 22:07 utc | 290

This is a quotation from the introduction of a book, interesting book.

It was the wartime experience, and the growth of decision-making in for-eign policy by a small elite, that led Flynn to show concern about the erosionof the basis of popular government. A long opponent of fascism, Flynn firstdeveloped his line of argument about domestic fascist tendencies in 1943.The United States, he argued in a speech presented that year, was "little by little adopting first one and then another policy that is beginning to make uslook more like a National Socialist government than a democracy."

Huuumdare. Innaresting. More consilience with the Groves quote....

John Flynn "As We Go Marching" for free no less. weep. and here we are on the train with nuts driving and no brakes. Whadda show.

tiny url /wgmdv5v

Posted by: Walter | Nov 20 2019 23:14 utc | 291

Sasha, that is incredible. nice find.

Posted by: arby | Nov 20 2019 23:20 utc | 292

Although just an introductory preview, IMO there's enough material provided by the Introduction and first chapter of Glenn Diesen's The Decay of Western Civilisation and Resurgence of Russia: Between Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft to gain an insight into the forces at work within the Outlaw US Empire's polity and the cleft within the factions of the Current Oligarchy behind the drive to impeach Trump, not to mention what's driving the West's moral decay.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 1:31 utc | 293

murikkans are like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed B.S. all day long.
[JOhn Pilger]

The [[[five liars]]], aka [[[anglo land]]] are saturated bombing us with
Uighurs and Xinjiang these days.

When was the last time these overnite
[[['champion of muslim rights']]] throw a fit over Kashmir .....
never mind that [[[they]]] themselves have 'wasted' millions of 'regheads'
since 911 ?

Posted by: denk | Nov 21 2019 3:14 utc | 294

The above article originally from, but that site is



Posted by: denk | Nov 21 2019 4:30 utc | 295

Media inexplicably ignores explosive info regarding Jason Stein

Jason Stein had another client that was brought down via a PR disaster in July 2018!!

John Schnatter, the owner of Papa John's pizza was forced to leave the company after his private communication with Jason Stein's company was leaked.

Stein's company was engaged to help Schnatter return to the public prominence after an awkward remark in November 2017 regarding NFL-player conflict over the National Anthem.

In a private, closed-door role-playing exercise Schnatter made some remarks that Stein's team found offensive. Those remarks were leaked to the press causing Stein's boss (Wasserman) to resign the account and fire dozens of employees - including of Stein and his wife (who was COO).

Papa John's Founder Used N-Word On Conference Call

Its difficult not to notice that Schnatter's social and political views are offensive to East and West Coast liberals. At one point, Papa John's was accused of being the "pizza of the alt-Right".

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Social media entrepreneur Jason Stein was a rising star in NY in 2012-14. The kind of person that might have drawn Epstein's attention? Stein sold his firm to Wasserman in 2015 and continued to work there until the Papa John debacle resulted in his departure.

Prince Andrew started "pitch@palace" in 2014. Did Andrew discuss his plans for "pitch@palace" with his friend Epstein? Did Epstein introduce entrepreneur Stein to Andrew?

If so, it seems more likely that Stein was a business associate that was trusted to provided PR advice related to Prince Andrew's Epstein problem. The use of the moniker "publicist" seems designed muddy the waters.

Why listen to Stein, who had presided over a spectacular failure in crisis management?

In Andrew's muddled thinking, the advice of someone that had known Epstein was probably thought to be valuable. Such a person might help fashion a reasonable-sounding story about why the Prince had continued a relationship with Epstein.

And Stein understood entrepreneurialism. It seems that Prince Andrew's interview had been an attempt to protect his business interests (pitch@palace) over the needs of Buckingham Palace.

While this is speculative, it does provide natural answers to why Andrew choose Stein.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 21 2019 5:57 utc | 296

Thanks Jr for correcting my English. About the impeachment interviews, I mean that by mentioning the Ukr president all over as "loving Trump's ass", you can bet that the result for him is that the EU will try to have him taken down. For them, it simply equals to Putinopholia and as such, can be dangerously weaponized by ppl who play chess better than them.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 21 2019 8:57 utc | 297

On Andrew, his stepping down of public appearances came less than 10 mn after the BBC had an article about yet one more embarrassing lie he made

Posted by: Mina | Nov 21 2019 8:59 utc | 298

Andy's ironic pizza reference

Prince Andrew's nonsensical claim that he was at Pizza Express is all the more strange given that Stein's team caused the downfall of pizza supremo John Schnatter.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 21 2019 15:22 utc | 299

Mina @303: ... the EU will try to have him taken down.

I think USA officialdom generally share Nuland's "f*ck the EU" attitude.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 21 2019 15:25 utc | 300

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