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November 17, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2019-68

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Related:
Hong Kong protesters hurl PETROL BOMBS at volunteers trying to clear roadblocks and shoot ARROWS at police - RT

Related:
A detailed timeline of Brennan's shenanigans.
The Brennan Dossier: All About a Prime Mover of Russiagate - Aaron Maté - RealClearImvestigations
Confirmed: Dems switched from “quid pro quo” to “bribery” because a focus group told them it was better - HotAir

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25 close relatives of ISIS leader were living in Turkey freely for years, possibly many of them working for IS. - Ahval

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Aaron Maté interviews Theodor Postol
Syria scandal: New whistleblower claims UN chemical weapons watchdog buried Douma evidence (vid) - Push Back
Postol makes an interesting point with regards to the incident in Khan Sheikhun where, according to the report of the Joint Investigation Mechanism, a quarter of the casualties arrived in hospitals before the incident happened.
Postol says he thinks that the report used graphics and other "expert" information from the British amateur infowar outlet Bellingcat. He also says that some of the graphics in the JIT report are not to size.
That brought me back to the final OPCW report on the Douma incident. This (Pg 62ff) is supposed to be a simulation of the gas cylinder that was found on the bed.


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The proportions of the hole and the simulated cylinder seem not to fit to each other.


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Assange:

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Am I the only one who finds Meyssan's article "Six Conflicting Global Projects" perplexing in its English version? Or is it just a result of me being unwell and a lesser analyst?

Here are my critical comments. They should be read NOT as an expression of opposing the main thesis, but as a result of treating the article with seriousness&respect.

Jiang Zemin […] Gradually he cleaned the Communist Party of its caciques

A cacique is a leader of an indigenous group or a local political boss in the Spanish-speaking world. We are supposed to guess what caciques means as a metaphor?

[Putin] methodically killed all the oligarchs who refused to comply with the state.

... On this, I’m out of depth. How should I know? I really want to learn, and I find the article’s list of references consist of just one item - on 9/11.

Having restored the rule of law, Vladimir Putin

Restored the rule of law by 'killing' people?

Putin did not stand for re-election after two consecutive terms. He supported a pale law professor, worshipped by the United States, Dmitry Medvedev, to succeed him.

“worshipped by” ... or, rather, a worshipper of ? ... Or both?

Wrongly believing that Russia would collapse again, Georgia attacked South Ossetia, but instantly found Prime Minister Putin in its path. Putin […] saw the pitiful state of the Red Army, but managed to overcome it thanks to the effect of surprise.

“Red Army” in 2008?
Putin overcome “it” : what is “it”? Presumably the state of the army. Did he really overcome it when Georgia attacked South Ossetia? The word overcome, isn't it used in an odd way?

The Russian Federation, which in 1991 was nothing more than nothing,

Another unusual phrase suggestive of translation problems.

In the coming years, Russia will try to reorganise international relations on two bases: to separate political and religious powers; to restore international law on the basis of the principles formulated by Tsar Nicholas II.

Both points are very vaguely stated.

Is that on purpose, to make us think, and research, on our own?

Labourist Tony Blair

Many of us must have been cringeing when reading this.

Boris Johnson […] decided to leave the European Union completely

Ha! I can't believe in it for a moment... This is a highly questionable thesis, from which may follow a questionable conclusion.

François Mitterrand did not understand the dislocation of the USSR, going so far as to support the generals’ putsch against his Russian counterpart,

An intriguing remark that we would love to see expanded.

Jacques Chirac […] – after reading and studying 9/11 The Big Lie [1]- took the lead in global opposition to aggression against Iraq.

I wish [1] in the above were to refer to evidence that Chirac actually relied on Meyssan’s book, rather than merely reference the already named book.

Emmanuel Macron is first and foremost an advocate of globalization according to Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr. and Barack Obama. However, he quickly adopted the vision of François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac according to which only a European supranational state would allow France to continue to play a significant international role, but in its Sarkozy-Holland version: the Union allows constraint. These two lines sometimes lead to contradictions, particularly with regard to Russia. However, they are united in a condemnation of the nationalism of the Member States of the European Union, a short Brexit, or a desire to restore trade with Iran.

United in “condemnation” of a short Brexit? ... “Or” a desire to restore trade with Iran?
“the Union allows constraint.”? – In what sense?

It is very strange to hear today about “multilateralism” and “isolationism” or “universalism” and “nationalism”. These questions do not arise because everyone has known since the Hague Conference (1899) that technological progress has made all nations in solidarity. This logorrhoea does not hide our inability to admit the new power relations and to envisage a world order that is as unjust as possible.

“Envisage” in the sense of acknowledge - or ‘conceive of’ - that the world order is as unjust as possible?

“technological progress has made all nations in solidarity”

Does it, maybe, mean that technology has globalized the world to a point where interests of separate countries are fused? ....

Much more can be said on the article, esp. from analytical viewpoints, but from me, with my very limited capacities, enough.

Posted by: Dors | Nov 21 2019 16:09 utc | 301

Escobar's additional article about the Astana Club Conference probably should have been presented first:

"Astana Club congregates a fascinating mix of Eurasia-wide notables with Europeans and Americans. Virtually all relevant shades of the geopolitical spectrum are represented. Panels are very well structured (I moderated two of them). Discussions are frank and non-denial denials are heavily discouraged. Here is just a taste of what was discussed in Nur-Sultan, under the spectacular shallow dome designed by Norman Foster."

Here's the link to Pepe's initial report, which has already been scrubbed from the main page at Asia Times. Why he continues to be published then censored by that outlet continues to be curious.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 16:53 utc | 302

Prince Charles would be going for his tenth visit to India, his second in as many years.

The prince was known to be a 'man of principle', he snubbed a state banquet in honor of HU JIng Tao some years back,'cuz China doesnt share our values' !

Now, that BBC bitch practically spat on Xi's face when she opined so haughtily, 'Why'd we Brits do biz with a country that doestn share our western values' ?

OUr friend neme agreed,
'Thats my kind of 'lady' !
We should decouple from China, it doesnt share our western values'

Prince Charles obviously reckon India share his values, after all, this is his tenth visit !

So WTF are those vaunted 'western values' that every Tom, Dick Harry from [[[five liars]]] land are so proud of,......?

'In an increasingly frightening and unstable world, there is one nation we know will stand firm and resolute in its commitment to freedom, human rights, democracy and the rule of law. Without the relentless, selfless efforts of the United States, humankind would plunge into a seething cauldron of tyranny, slavery, chaos and endless war. Besides Israel, severely weakened as it is by the constant strain of fending off the barbarian hordes seeking to “wipe it off the map” and Great Britain, incessantly pressured by its Leftist, pacifist neighbors to appease and negotiate, the home of the brave wages its courageous struggle virtually alone.

But fear not. The time draws nigh when an aspiring superpower will stand firmly alongside the United States in its defense of humankind. India, the world’s largest democracy and a haven for the free market economics of Capitalism, is forging a deep alliance with the United States.

What a wonderful world it will indeed be when two nations, each of which was forged in the crucible of revolution against the imperial tyranny of Great Britain, can ally themselves to fend off the twin evils of terrorism and Islamofascism as they unite to spread democracy and corporate benevolence.'

Enjoy.....
https://www.countercurrents.org/miller120207.htm

hehehehheh

Posted by: denk | Nov 21 2019 17:17 utc | 303

Took too long!: Nuttyahoo indicted on "Corruption charges: Israeli prime minister has been charged with breach of trust, fraud, and bribery." And there's to be a third election since no government can be formed. I bet the natives present within Occupied Palestine could immediately form a government if given the chance. Of course, they'd change the nature of the situation rather quickly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 17:31 utc | 304

I continue to watch and read the extension of the Russia Calling! transcript of Putin's Q&A session, which alas is still incomplete. However, at the current bottom of its page there's a question from an American investor asking Putin if he sees anything comparable between the Soviet Union's breakup and the troubles besetting the EU via Brexit, the question perhaps providing the context I wanted to discover given Putin's remarks I cited from the Sputnik article. What follows is a small portion of Putin's overall answer that still remains incomplete:

"Your question: can the EU be compared to the USSR? I think the answer is 'no.' This is a completely different thing but some parallels are possible. I do not know whether it will be possible to save the EU in its current form, taking into account a few trends I mentioned. But I know that European leaders are aware of this and are certainly thinking about this problem. They have different scenarios aimed at consolidating the EU and making integration more sustainable. I do not know if they succeed but in any event I wish them success."

I'm very much interested to discover more about how Putin looks at that development as it relates to his comment earlier this year about the demise of Liberalism and how that all interacts with the material from the two Glenn Diesen books I referenced earlier on this thread, particularly the civilizational aspects brought forth in The Decay of Western Civilisation and Resurgence of Russia: Between Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 18:55 utc | 305

"Pete Buttigieg was just exposed as a dangerous neocon plant who despises diplomacy and can’t even own up to his own words. (And I’ve seen many self styled lefties more outraged over Tulsi’s presence in the race than his)."

Blumenthal might be correct, but what he's using for evidence is very thin. See the article linked at the tweet.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 19:23 utc | 306

Comic Relief! Bernie Interviews Bernie is cute. Nixon was also one for waving his arms about.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 19:32 utc | 307

New stories on the former alumn of School of the Americas who flew to the US with a $million...

This gorilla kidnapped Evo Morales' brother, sprayed him undressed with gasoline in the middle of the street and told Evo that if he didn't quit he burned him alive. Evo resigned.

https://twitter.com/Cmontoyaa/status/1197365008998383618

Meanwhile, in the Bolivia where nobody will have problems doing business.....including Russia...

This pathetic image is Bolivia today, it is not a court of the European Inquisition in the 16th century.

https://twitter.com/SergioCentenar2/status/1197281448241377284

Things which seems totally legitimate to the OAS....and other governments around the world who legitimate the OAS, and whose main goal is doing business around the world, and happen to be are "The Guardians of Democratic Values" of Capitalism, and thus, they have veto right in the UNSC...The UN, btw, where its head on Human Rights has been scandalously slow and euphemistic on the ongoing genocide in Bolivia...

Do you see those 4 green dots? They are the ones who now govern in Bolivia. 4% of the votes; in 2014 they didn't even have seats. They are the ones who say they were going to win the elections and that is why they have thrown Evo Morales by military force and remain killing indigenous people for two weeks.

https://twitter.com/MikeAicart/status/1197211220652232704

Now, Viva La Democracia, los BRICS, y la OBOR!

For this travel we did not need such saddlebags...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 19:52 utc | 308

@Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 19:52 utc | 313

They came they had the Bible, and we had the land, And they told us, "Close your eyes and pray." And when we opened our eyes, they had the land and we had the Bible.

Eduardo Galeano

The Rise of Militant Religious Right in Latin America

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 20:02 utc | 309

sasha - that is one thing the neo cons in the usa and the fascists in latin america have in common - bible stompers, all of them... it is sad when something that many people venerate - the life of jesus for example - can be turned into shit so readily by these freaks.. for them, no act however malevolent matters, so long as their sacred view on the world gets furthered.. of course it is an insane view on the world too...

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2019 20:16 utc | 310

"Pete Buttigieg was just exposed as a dangerous neocon plant who despises diplomacy and can’t even own up to his own words.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 19:23 utc | 311

Well, exactly like The Donald, isn´t it?...And there you have that you many find him still electable...
Why The Buttigieg would not be?

Boring US electoral campaign of always...Amongst SST and MoA you have completed dozens of entries on the same issue as an enchained melody...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvfofcIE1Q

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 20:25 utc | 311

- that is one thing the neo cons in the usa and the fascists in latin america have in common...

@Posted by: james | Nov 21 2019 20:16 utc | 315

The "neo cons in the usa" ( and those who play that they oppose the "neo cons"...) are fascists, this is why they have too many things in common, apart from the Bible...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 20:36 utc | 312

Circe #289

So who is the greater threat?

Hint: the one who always gets away with evil!

Therefore you mean the United States of America. Finally got there Circe and the good citizens of that land were given a 'choice' of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump both corrupt, murderous thugs.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 21 2019 21:35 utc | 313

denk #300

The above article originally from
eurasiafuture.com, but that site is
now PERMANENTLY CLOSE,.

That site was highly suspect denk. The author, Adam Garrie (the smartest man in England!~ hehehe) was incessantly advocating that nations needed to open their financial system to foreign investment etc. He saw that as the solution for Duterte's Philipines. I see that as Trotskyist destruction of the revolution that is underway in the Philipines.

Adam Garrie has no idea of the global private finance oligarchy and its gouging rapacious demands.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 21 2019 21:44 utc | 314

#ULTIMAHORA. La Paz. Repression of the funeral march in Bolivia with the coffins of the victims of the #Senkata Massacre: "They seek to kill even the dead".

https://twitter.com/Larissacostas/status/1197603956987432962


Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 22:04 utc | 315

@317 sasha... well it appears bible stompers and fascists have a lot in common, no matter the country of origin, doesn't it?

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2019 22:32 utc | 316

As usual, the reading of one book leads to the need to read several others. C. Wright Mills work, White Collar: The American Middle Classes, I'd never heard of previously despite my recently citing several of his other works. It can be read in full at the above link. It was referenced by Diesen in his The Decay of Western Civilisation and Resurgence of Russia: Between Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft, and it can readily be seen why. IMO, Diesen and his many references provide ample material to better see and understand the phenomena behind the rise of Trump and other politicos similar to him in their nature. It's often said that they're taking advantage of their constituency's aggrieved situation, but the whys related to the situation and their multigenerational aspect is omitted which is very regrettable. Although Mills's work was published in 1951, IMO it's still a valid description of today's Western, Americanized, world that no longer retains anything of value at its core, thus its decay.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2019 23:31 utc | 317

Twitter accounts I use to post here information from, continue being suspended by Twitter Inc....

After @berlinconfidenc...now it is @sacedator...

Still, some remain in the gap...

https://twitter.com/kopamaros/status/1196877694417489922

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 23:31 utc | 318

@Old Microbiologist 185

Look at any old cemetery and you can see with your own eyes the impact vaccines have had on childhood deaths. But, because of the anti-vaccine movement these cemeteries are going to be once again filled with dead children.

I think this is somewhat disingenuous, unless you are only looking at the graves of children who died after the advent of sulpha and antibiotic drugs but before the widespread use of vaccines. Many many children died from childhood deseases which are no longer considered life threatening because they are effectively treated with antibiotics. My aunt was a nurse when sulpha drugs first came out, and she said suddenly children for whom there was no effective treatment, and very often died, were recovering and death rates dropped dramatically. She told us the when penicillin became available it was like a miracle. Many children who would have died a few years earlier, recovered and lived to adulthood. So not just vaccines have lowered childhood death rates!

When I was growing up, everyone I knew at some point had measles, mumps, rubella (we called it german measles), and chicken pox. A very few had also had, or had a sibbling who had had, pertussis (whooping cough). No one knew anyone who died of these childhood illnesses. Some children had had polio, or had sibblings who had had it. Several children in my neighbourhood had lasting physical impairments as a result of polio, and others had sibblings who had died from it.

When the vaccine for polio and for smallpox was developed and available, we all were vaccinated, and some years later, were given 'booster shots' I don't know when the vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella became widely used. I know that none of my sibblings or friends had it, although I was 10 years older than my youngest sibbling. By the time I had my first child, at 18, mmr and pertussis vaccines were recomended starting in early infancy.

I did some research - long before internet so had to dig to find information, and chose not to vaccinate my infant, but to wait until she was older to begin vaccinations. I also chose not to vaccinate against measles, mumps, rubella, or pertussis, but she was vaccinated against polio, smallpox, diptheria, and tetanus ( other vaccines were not yet recomended, possibly not yet developed).

By the time my youngest was born, the number of recommended vaccinations had increased, and I once again chose to wait until my children were older to begin vaccinations, and to choose which ones to agree to. When my children were approaching puberty, the ones who had not had a documented case of mumps or rubella were inoculated. All had had chicken pox and measles, so that was not an issue.

My understanding of immunity from either vaccines or actually contracting the illness, is that 'boosters' are needed. If a disease is present in the population, one's natural immunity, say to measles (from having measles as a child), is boosted by being exposed. Once the disease is no longer common, we need to consider getting booster shots periodically to maintain our immunity. It has been a long time since I needed to research any of this, so more up to date information may be available, but it maybe why current recommendations seem to include a lot more doses than in 1960's.

Posted by: Lorna MacKay | Nov 21 2019 23:34 utc | 319

In the business Q&A it seems Putin has said that the "US is a great country which shares a lot of interests with Russia"...

Well, this is what the US unleashed in the Ukraine...No wonder The Donald is coming...for Victory Day....

These brave Ukrainian neo–Nazis attacked this little girl and her mother for celebrating Victory Day.

https://twitter.com/kopamaros/status/1132319973286793216

Yeah, apart from stomping sacred books, it is a common trait of fascists around the world not allowing you burying or honoring your relatives/comrades died fighting them...All, most Christian...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 23:40 utc | 320

@Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 22:04 utc | 320

The aftermath....

This picture. Hard to find words. Bolivia Nov 21, 2019

https://twitter.com/pvillegas_tlSUR/status/1197634251539259392

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 23:51 utc | 321

Can anyone turn from the far-right more to the far-right? And what that engendre is, extrem far-right?
Bolsonaro has envy of Áñez, no doubt,...and so...he has n ot enough with Michelle "praying" all day for the poor children...

Bolsonaro presents his new party with the "defense of God and repudiation of communism" as the main flags....

https://twitter.com/ActualidadRT/status/1197618856820461569

Oh, yeah, the BRICS in vanguard of development, progress, wealth redistribution, and, above all, human rights...

Viva la OAS!

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 21 2019 23:56 utc | 322

Here we have Mills describing the nature of the grandparents of those who first voted Obama then voted Trump:

"Estranged from community and society in a context of distrust and manipulation; alienated from work and, on the personality market, from self; expropriated of individual rationality, and politically apathetic--these are the new little people, the unwilling vanguard of modern society." (xviii)

Pretty brutal analysis of a class of people/workers who would almost be completely thrown out of work via technological advances--the Army of white collar clerks--who lived in an era when one could own a home and raise a family on a clerk's salary.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 22 2019 0:16 utc | 323

Two sites saying that the death rate from measles was already falling between 1950 and 1970 when vaccination became common

"death figures began dipping into the double digits in the late 1950s and then into single-digit numbers from 1975"
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/the-misery-of-measles-in-a-world-without-vaccines/article23181430/

"The credit for the century-long decline, scientists generally agree, goes to improved nutrition and improved health care, side effects of the West’s growing affluence. In the U.S., the death rate dropped by about 98%, from about 10 per 100,000 population a century ago to one fifth of one person by 1963, the year measles vaccines made their American debut."
https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-the-untold-story-of-measles

Posted by: Lorna MacKay | Nov 22 2019 0:23 utc | 324

uncle tungsten 319

Not expecting any response to my comments, would have missed your post
if I havent come back to copy something !

whatever you might think of Garrie,
it doesnt detract from his take on
the Kashmir/Xinjiang contrast, which I find to be spot on. ??

Posted by: denk | Nov 22 2019 12:53 utc | 325

@ 329 Lorna McKay

Forget it with your appeal to microbiologist. I would have expected much more from a scientist in that field.

In my posts up the thread, I point out that the threat of child deaths is used in the justification for the unquestionable value of vaccines.

But it is much more complicated than that.

Measles mortality and even case numbers overall before the advent of the vaccine had plummeted to negligible and acceptable amounts. At this point, a sensible person and especially one who values the motion of individual liberty, read: a concerned westerner, would invite a discussion or debate on the merit of the medical intervention, read: vaccine, in general.

But there can be no debate and our children are the sacrificial lambs at the altar of totalitarianism. How dreadful! How terrible! We should be ashamed. And those in the medical field who took the Hippocratic oath have indeed failed us, just as our elected officials have failed to protect their nationals from the scourge of globalism.

Please try to understand that the crucible of the debate on forcing vaccines onto our children is solely concerned with the measles vaccine, the mmr. There is no other western disease of import that would be alleviated by medical intervention which has not been already rendered innocuous by advancements in western diet, sanitation, and modern understanding of communicable disease.

And because data has shown conclusively that it can not be said that the measles vaccine was the cause of this relegating of measles to common and innocuous childhood disease, it is vital we recognize the trouncing of our rights as individuals in the west.

I would hope that an intelligent readership as that here at moa would take heed of this warning. But it is too clear that plants that threaten the very mature of the west forever are indeed among us.

May the Lord reveal them for all to see.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 22 2019 17:22 utc | 326

Thankfully, the Russia Calling! transcript is now complete! There are two parts I'll cite. The first is Putin's overview description of the Chinese economy's efficiency and why that's so:

"The fundamental stability of the Chinese economy is obvious.

"I have already mentioned its advantages. The Chinese leadership has successfully created a unique symbiosis between central planning and a market economy at the level of economic operators. This is something that has no precedent anywhere in the world. And I can say with a great degree of certainty that this unique phenomenon is producing very good results. The Chinese economy as a whole functions much more efficiently than many other large economies in the world, including the American one. I think this is a major concern for our American friends and explains the restrictions imposed on China. This is the reason – not a disparity in the trade balance."

Putin's views on whether Russia will ever use fracking as a method of hydrocarbon extraction were very welcome and is interspersed with his assessment of the Evil Outlaw US Empire's reserves status:

"The fact is that today's technologies of shale oil and shale gas production are, without any exaggeration, barbaric and bad for the environment. In some areas of shale oil production people get black slurry instead of tap water in their homes. We will never use such production technology no matter how lucrative it may be. We can produce oil off the shelf and on land, so we do not have such an urgent need to use the shale technology. Most importantly, there is no need to increase supply on the global market....

"Thirdly, there are growth restrictions in the United States as well. I am not going to list the reasons behind such restrictions. Our analysts believe that US production has reached, as the oil people say, 'a plateau.' We do not predict any serious growth."

IMO, Putin is currently happy with the status of the global energy markets. Putin's annual year-end news conference will occur on 19 December, although its location wasn't announced.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 22 2019 18:03 utc | 327

@ karlof1 with the link to Putin's speech and more importantly the follow up Q/A

Thanks for your diligence in providing such visibility to real leadership in our world. I encourage all barflies to spend the time to read the whole thing.

I was struck by the breadth and depth of Putin's understanding of the world political economy. His deft answers to the shadow banking system about why people development over profit was beautiful to read.

Another reason to read the piece is to understand more about what a mixed economy is. The balance and dynamics of Russian focus on making life better for it citizens with their current mixed economy is an education in itself.

The discussion of political economy in the Western world pales in comparison to what you would read at the link karlof1 provided in #332.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2019 1:52 utc | 328

psychohistorian @333--

Thanks for your reply and endorsement! One of the reasons why I follow Putin closely is because I learn from the discourse he engages in with such a wide variety of others, which is why I get annoyed with the delays in providing complete transcripts. I see it as a free seminar that would cost serious $$ to attend.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2019 2:26 utc | 329

@karlof1: You're gonna love this: Vladimir Putin addressed the plenary meeting of the United Russia political party’s 19th congress. I think this is the most important speech of Putin since the 2007 Munich speech and the 2018 "superweapons" presentation. After WW2 took the lives of the most committed communists, Stalin failed to rebuild the Party and clear it of "idle talkers and opportunists", which led to his legacy being smeared and betrayed and, ultimately, to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin does not want to repeat this mistake of Stalin.

Posted by: S | Nov 23 2019 15:33 utc | 330

S @332: That is indeed an interesting point of view, sounds almost communist.

I'm not surprised to see him focus on the monkey politics as the source of the trouble, that's always what it is with us big apes, eh?

One thinks of the current situations of Morales, who failed in the same way, and Maduro, who inherited Chavez' legacy. And a lot more examples can be found, it's an old problem.

But it also raises the question: what has Putin done about it? What is he going to do to ensure his legacy? Hmmm.

(PS: I think it is nice the way this site politely askes me about it when I botch my email. So civilized.)

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2019 15:52 utc | 331

@Bemildred: Well, going by the speech, it seems to me the plan is to transform the United Russia party from a party of civil servants, entrepreneurs and celebrities into a party of die-hard patriots-socialists with wide membership. I agree it sounds almost communist. It also sounds almost impossible, but I've seen Putin do impossible things before, so maybe it will work. If the United Russia party really becomes what he has described in the speech, I'll probably join it myself. Question is, how will the Russian billionaires react to such pivot to the left?

Posted by: S | Nov 23 2019 17:49 utc | 332

S @334: Well for one thing it is good to know he's thinking about it.

It's a difficult problem in my view, I don't claim to know the answer myself. If you take the more pro-Chinese versions of China at face value, they seem to have done well in that regard. But it was too much success that did us in here, and they haven't passed that test yet, do they become decadent too? Maybe not, but their past doesn't suggest that they are immune. The USSR certainly lost its focus and got way over-stretched too.

Building up the structure of international law is one approach to it, and that seems to be part of the plan. I would have rather it had been us and not Russia & China making that happen, but noooo, we have these shallow shitheads instead running things here.

Could Chavez have done better than Maduro, maybe. But Maduro is still there. The collectivos still have his back, and the military. Chavez was no dummy. I have to tip my hat to him. If Maduro endures and his government lasts, Chavez stands beside Castro and very few others.

A human social organization that self-maintains forever, without decay or drift, now that sounds tricky, utopias are tricky. I don't trust them. For such an organization the only purpose is stewardship, not to rule over others. One needs a certain temperament.

But I have to wish the Chinese and Russian well, attempts to govern well must always be applauded.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2019 18:41 utc | 333

....it sounds almost communist.

@Posted by: S | Nov 23 2019 17:49 utc | 334

In what way?

I read the speech and found it more sounding almost coming from a Pope...
After all, what he is saying? That "The Party"v must promote all those amongst the youngest generations who show themselves more commited and patriotic....Well, that sounds like the Komsomol, but this time with "liberal characteristics", to kinda paraphrase the Chinese model...

An accurate delinetaing of the concept "patriotic" and "commited" would be neede to label this as "almost communist", do not you think?

To sound communist in the least an international sense of solidarity ( as an internal lighthouse on values...), if not by directly offering help, at least by showing full solidarity with those being attacked by Fascist International, would be needed....

And then, you have this.....

https://tass.com/politics/1092023

https://tass.com/politics/1092035

But then, here comes "comrade" Naryshkin to try to fix it a bit....

https://sputniknews.com/world/201911231077383839-us-is-behind-political-crisis-in-bolivia---russian-foreign-intel-head/

As always is most recommended in politics, we must pay attention to what politicos/parties do, not to what they say in their speeches...Puitn should not be different...

"El Culto de Adoración Nocturna de Putin" starts seeming almost most deluded that Trump´s itself, if that was even possible...


Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 19:57 utc | 334

Btw, last research on the Bolivia coup discovered an information operation through multiplied Twitter accounts who surged out of nowhere in one or two days before and after the coup so as to gain international support fro the usurper government.

Claims and doctored photos so as to label Morales as related to narcocartels and guilty of corruption through his years of government and last lectoral process were spreaded an retwitted dozens of thousands of times by replicant Twitter accounts...

A coordinated campaign with thousands of new Twitter accounts and bulos against Morales washes the international image of the coup in Bolivia

Amongst the replicant bots and cyborgs it was discovered a US Army operative of name Luis Suarez who had invented a tool to retwitt any Twitter account talking against Morales indefinitely...with hashtags including #BoliviaNoHayFraude or #NofueGolpeFueFraude, #evodictador...etc...

I have analyzed the 14 campaigns (HT) in support of the coup in Bolivia and this has been the result: + 250,000 accounts made + 1M tweets + 92,000 accounts created in the last month participated in some way. 😲 I found something that will surprise you

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246292352782336

To download data from the tweets we use the T-Hoarder tool from @congosto, with the wonderful help of @BarriPdmx with all the tweets launched with the 14 labels that appear in the lower right part of the Graph. There is already something weird never seen before

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246304826613763

When viewing the graph of the "coup" community we can see that it is much denser and that it has several accounts with many RTs that are resolved in a larger size of its name in the graph: @luisfercamachov @tomasayarhui @jjdiazmachuca @eduardobeazau @marianagc @jlozanoa

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246321863921665

The graph of the community against the coup shows how there is no organized community polarizing with those favorable to the coup. There are 42,100 accounts, of which 618 were created in November 2019. The one from @RigobertMenchu, Guatemala, Nobel Peace Prize 1992 stands out.

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246335138910208

The detailed study of each of the campaigns was done with the trendsmap tool, and I made a video so you can better understand the report attached here: http://bit.ly/GolpeEnRedesBolivia ... 👉Spoiler: At the end of the video there is surprise

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246441779019777

Yes, surprise. The account that has most supported the campaigns in favor of the coup, with more than 13,000 tweets is that of @suarezluis, a US Army programmer who has his own application to automate RTs. The 1st part of the video is data, the 2nd speculation.

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246529909735430

To verify that the @suarezluis method worked, I made my own tweet using an HT in support of the coup ... look at what happened (also note that I am the only one he retweets and his account is not created in November): https: //twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197215763234512899 ... I freak out that twitter doesn't detect this.

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246543713243136

Faced with so much new fake against Evo, and without denying that he made mistakes in his last stage. Let us value courage against multinationals, even to an attempted coup when they came for gas, now for lithium. Look at these true news: http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1665-85742009000200002 ...

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246855261937664

I would like us to reflect on this fragment of "The Great Hack". The "silver or lead" method that they used in the twentieth century throughout Latin America to plunder their resources or put together a coup d'etat is running out, now it's time to hack minds the style of "years and years"

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197246964552937477

Finally ... do not tell me that you are not realizing ... Those who control the power, the means, our data, our way of life, our precariousness at the cost of maintaining their privileges and millions of euros in tax havens. WAKE UP.

https://twitter.com/JulianMaciasT/status/1197247103870869506


This was the same strategy used to raise Bolsonaro.....and Trump, to power....

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 21:01 utc | 335

Every coup has a backroom.

@CELAGeopolitica reveals the dense network woven for years by the US in Bolivia to facilitate the #GolpeDeEstadoBolivia #GolpeEnBolivia/blockquote>

https://twitter.com/pascualsergio/status/1197614143421009926

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 21:13 utc | 336

The middle class of Bolivia realizes that they were used by Camacho ... #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia

https://twitter.com/14capo/status/1197170479255162885

They are realizing there is nothing more to lose, propose to join their peasant Bolivian brothers and share whatever they have with them and together go to the Coliseum to seat peacefully and show the press that they do not support this carnage and illegal seizing of power...


Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 21:23 utc | 337

They do not wait for new elections...The interim government of Bolivia who appinted itself after the coup has started a process of privatizations...

Civil Aeronautics like Assana and BOA passes to the handas of AMAZONAS...in payement for favors made to Fernando Camacho with #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia

https://twitter.com/Beatriz83577379/status/1197885361642446856

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 21:35 utc | 338

The circus owner...

#ElMundoConEvo says no to # GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia🇦🇷🇧🇴 The circus owner

https://twitter.com/Patrix2019/status/1196557311680139264

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 21:38 utc | 339

Geopolitical analysis of the coup in Bolivia by CELAG....

USA and the construction of the coup in Bolivia

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 21:45 utc | 340

More irregularities and illegal actions commited by the so called "interim government of Bolivia" which came out of the coup...

#URGENTE Bolivia

Amid the conflicts and massacres in #Bolivia the presidential plane FAB 001, which used @evoespueblo, is in Brazil. This morning he flew from Brasilia to Rio de Janeiro, according to the flight tracking website (PaoAly)

https://twitter.com/CorreoDelSur_/status/1198040416450469893

It is hard to believe that the Russians are trusting this people for their business in olivia...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:00 utc | 341

Instruction in the Bolivian Armed Forces to identify indigenous soldiers and keep strict vigilance over them...

https://twitter.com/KatuArkonada/status/1196564757848961025

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:03 utc | 342

Manifesto to the Bolivian people....They are claiming from the International Community and International Human Rights Organizations for their human rights to live in peace, demonstrate peacefully against an usurper government who is massacring them and the return of their representatives, to be respected. They reject the coup and denounce Bolivian police, armed and hooded groups of Civic Commitees and CONADE for the vexations and killings of their unarmed bothers and sisters, ask for the interim presidenta who accomplished the coup to resign immediately, and for the responsible of the coup to be identified and punished.

They are asking that this document be viralized. Belongs to the peasant workers union of Bolivia.It is a Pact of Unity.

https://twitter.com/lMonica1324/status/1196590447587680256

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:22 utc | 343

Can anyone be more mean and despicable?

Bolivian military killed Ihapa (Dawn) the pet puppy of Evo Morales. #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia #MasacreEnBoliva

https://twitter.com/roloarg/status/1196934506231586817

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:25 utc | 344

This is how they take arested the doctor who attended the injured people of the #MasacreEnSenkata and asked for help so that other doctors come to attend. #MasacreEnBolivia #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia

https://twitter.com/SosaGustavoD/status/1197348117701701632

This is the guy...this is his crime....

https://twitter.com/SosaGustavoD/status/1197360936757137408

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:30 utc | 345

Pompeo´s people....praying after summarily having executed 30 people....

Here the old and criminal #Bolivia #racista the military of #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia praying after executing 30 people #MasacreEnBolivia Nothing new the reactionary evangelical ultras in one hand the Bible in the other the gun! #MatanEnElNombreDeDios

https://twitter.com/manelmarquez/status/1197453762077560837

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:34 utc | 346

The crimes of “Lesa humanity” must not remain in impunity #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia @CIDH @ActualidadRT @teleSURtv @CNNEE @ONU_es @AmnistiaOnline @Pontifex_es @sanchezcastejon @ONU_derechos @elEconomistaes @revistavistazo @Televistaazo @Tevistavistazo

https://twitter.com/ReveldeRevoluc2/status/1198005464837099520

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:38 utc | 347

El Alto rised up against #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia

https://twitter.com/confeniae1/status/1197596439712608256

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:45 utc | 348

Theere are already 1383 arrested, 783 injured, 32 dead ...by #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia..

https://twitter.com/Carolin15422400/status/1197961030753763330

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 22:47 utc | 349

This for analysis by "comrade" Naryshkin...in case there is still some doubts...to see if he manage now to convince the charge de affairs of the Russian Federation in Bolivia that these guys are the same who masacred their ancestors( well, not the ancestors of everybody there, for what it seems...)in WWII...

The new cabinet and military command of the Bolivian dictatorship swears with an adaptation of the Nazi greeting of White Supremacy. The 3 fingers mean that they are white and the cross (with the index and thumb) that they are Christians But they say it's not a #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia

https://twitter.com/SolRojo75/status/1198069048665366528

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 23 2019 23:01 utc | 350

Sasha --

Normally a solid string of comments from a single member I would find irritating, but your series (337 - 352) seems to be solid gold, and an historical indictment of great value.

Thank you.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 24 2019 2:42 utc | 351

@Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 24 2019 2:42 utc | 353

Your welcome...it´s nothing... ( in spite of taking most of my spare time doing it and granting me not few neck and back pains...but waht is tha, cpmpared to what this people is suffering? ). I feel it as a duty, especially when you hear this poor Bolivian people asking for help nobody provides to them, as always happens with the poorest amongst the poor, especially when dark skined and almost illiterate, as this people is, always have to suffer a lot of harm, when they do not even catch the attention of the paladins of "International Law"...which are too busy making deals with the "indispensable nation"...

I am aware that this way my posts result quite annoying and so could be spared by some readers, but I hope my reputation here inclines at least a bunch of them to take a look. Still, it is good "b" allows this being posted, whatever the form...( in fact I would not mind if he would use all these information to compose one of his well tacked analysis, so that give it all more visibility...)

If I would have the time, and strenght, I would try to tack it all, the way "b" uses to do it, with embeded links and all that, so that all can be read it as a whole story, but really do not own the necessary time...sometimes, like yesterday, I am posting at wee hours...even during the working week...So far, this is all what I can do, which is really scarce, something give me not little despair...sometimes...What I would really like is to be there, with them, trying to give a hand wherever I could...

Thanks for reading and appreciating.

As has been showed, I am not the only one sacrifying time and effort to just make an echo of what others with great effort are doing, but tall the people Twitting information from, now closed for international independent or alternative journalism, Bolivia and the guy who did the research on Twitter accounts to arrive to the origins in US Army, who for sure did dedicate a lot of time and effort....

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 24 2019 14:25 utc | 352

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/china-cables

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/11/the-china-cables-leaked-classified-chinese-documents-confirm-china-running-massive-concentration-camps-to-re-educate-uighurs.html

https://www.suhasinihaidar.com/at-the-heart-of-the-silk-road/

The third link is to a report by a respected Indian journalist, Suhasini Haider, who visited Xinjiang some months ago.

Bernhard, I do wish you would try to share with us a balanced idea of what is really going on. It could be partly the surveillance state taking on a life of its own. Developing the transport infrastructure in this area is crucial to China freeing itself from Western domination. However, these reports, if true, are of counter-productive heavy-handedness. In Hong Kong China is showing itself capable of restraint.

But I do remember an account from a few decades back. Pakistan was greatly pressured by China to return three hundred or so Uighur militants who were living there. After much reluctance they were persuaded by assurances of human rights protection. The senior officer who handed them over to the Chinese told a friend of mine that within a few minutes several hundred shots rang out and that was the end of the captives. Maybe that was another era.

If the stories of Chinese oppression of Uighurs is greatly exaggerated, there is some hope for Kashmir. Otherwise, both Kashmiris and Uighurs have had it.

Posted by: sarz | Nov 27 2019 13:17 utc | 353

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