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November 17, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2019-68

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Hong Kong protesters hurl PETROL BOMBS at volunteers trying to clear roadblocks and shoot ARROWS at police - RT

A detailed timeline of Brennan's shenanigans.
The Brennan Dossier: All About a Prime Mover of Russiagate - Aaron Maté - RealClearImvestigations
Confirmed: Dems switched from “quid pro quo” to “bribery” because a focus group told them it was better - HotAir

25 close relatives of ISIS leader were living in Turkey freely for years, possibly many of them working for IS. - Ahval

Aaron Maté interviews Theodor Postol
Syria scandal: New whistleblower claims UN chemical weapons watchdog buried Douma evidence (vid) - Push Back
Postol makes an interesting point with regards to the incident in Khan Sheikhun where, according to the report of the Joint Investigation Mechanism, a quarter of the casualties arrived in hospitals before the incident happened.
Postol says he thinks that the report used graphics and other "expert" information from the British amateur infowar outlet Bellingcat. He also says that some of the graphics in the JIT report are not to size.
That brought me back to the final OPCW report on the Douma incident. This (Pg 62ff) is supposed to be a simulation of the gas cylinder that was found on the bed.


The proportions of the hole and the simulated cylinder seem not to fit to each other.


Other issues:



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I think this may interest some, it's a long read from cryptome with title "Russian Strategic Intentions A Strategic Multilayer Assessment (SMA) White PaperMay 2019 "

tinu url /vcnmyys or goto cryptome and all that.

It's especially interesting because it reveals not Ruskie intentions and strategies, but many marginal or false a-priori assumptions and implied assumptions about Russia, which questionable beliefs are held down at the warshop. These are the lies they all agree on, their beliefs, more or less. Quite a window. Here are there they may be correct.

It caught my eye that they refer to "the liberalist order" - geewhiz, so that's what we have, not law, but liberalist order. I am so very happy to know... Such are the tasty bits one may prise out...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 15:34 utc | 1

El Salvador Perspectives: When soldiers from El Salvador's military massacred six Jesuit priests and their co-worker and her daughter, there was an immediate attempt to cover it up and to suggest that the killings could have been done by FMLN guerrillas. But there was a witness, Lucia Barrera de Cerna, whose testimony made it impossible to avoid the truth, despite the best efforts of the Salvadoran government and the FBI.

Colombia Reports: Conservative leaders have asked a court to ban anti-government protests planned for Thursday throughout Colombia.

Honduras Solidarity Network: Jorge Acosta, President of Workers’ Union of the Tela Railroad Company (SITRATERCO) was killed tonight in La Lima, Cortés.

...and in case you missed it:

Bolivia's new interim president Jeanine Añez: "I dream of a Bolivia free of indigenous satanic rites; the city is not for the Indians; they should go to the highlands or the Chaco."

Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 17 2019 15:59 utc | 2

@Walter #1
Isn't the entire point of a "Deep State" (or Kiriakou's "Federal Bureaucracy"), to steer reality towards what it finds convenient?
Bomber gap, missile gap, Star Wars, War on Terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya - need I go on?

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2019 16:05 utc | 3

Here is Alex Stamos - ex-Facebook, ex-Yahoo Chief Information Security Officer, talking about the responsibilities and challenges faced by the large platforms.
Generally interesting, but he has a very DNCC view of Russiagate. This is perhaps not surprising since he says in the video that he has hired ex-NSA people on his teams.
What is really disappointing is his failure to address the possibility that there are other motives than geopolitics. What has been completely buried was that the first reports of "fake news" during the 2016 election season was not due to Russians, but due to Macedonian teenagers exploiting the economics of election year online ad spending. Here is an article talking about it.
Some excerpts:

Between August and November, Boris earned nearly $16,000 off his two pro-Trump websites. The average monthly salary in Macedonia is $371.


At best, Boris’ English is halting and fractured—certainly not good enough to turn out five to 10 articles about Trump and Clinton every day for weeks on end. Fortunately for him, the election summoned forth the energies of countless alt-right websites in the US, which manufactured white-label falsehoods disguised as news on an industrial scale. Across the spectrum of right-wing media—from Trump’s own concise lies on Twitter to the organized prevarication of Breitbart News and—ideology beat back the truth.

What Veles produced, though, was something more extreme still: an enterprise of cool, pure amorality, free not only of ideology but of any concern or feeling about the substance of the election.

These Macedonians on Facebook didn’t care if Trump won or lost the White House. They only wanted pocket money to pay for things—a car, watches, better cell phones, more drinks at the bar. This is the arrhythmic, disturbing heart of the affair: that the internet made it so simple for these young men to finance their material whims and that their actions helped deliver such momentous consequences.

Note this vs. Alex Stamos examples of Blacktivist and Army of Jesus ads.

Outright advertising fraud...

After seeing the BMW, Boris decided to start some websites of his own. He already knew there was money to be made off the internet; for a while, when he was 17, he’d been one of the many peons around the world laboring online for, earning something like a tenth of a cent for liking a YouTube video or leaving a comment.

In Macedonia, wringing money out of web advertising is a game that long predated Trump’s bid for the presidency—and will probably outlast it as well, despite Google’s and Facebook’s postelection attempts to crack down. Mirko Ceselkoski began to play in the early 2000s. He built seven or eight websites—about muscle cars or celebrities or superyachts, all oriented toward the American reader, because an American reader is roughly three times more valuable than a non-American one. For five or six hours of daily toil, Ceselkoski says, you can earn approximately $1,000 a month.

I wonder what the Macedonian for profit spend on the 2016 election was. I'd not be surprised if it was way over the $100,000 attributed to the RIA - as a reminder, online ad spending for the 2016 election was $10 billion dollars in 2016: source

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2019 16:24 utc | 4

To be clear: the $10B number above is for all political spending in 2016 - not just the presidential election.
The presidential election online spending, according to the article, is about $1.86 billion: $1.1 billion for Hilary, $0.76 billion for Trump. No idea if this includes PAC advertising or is just the official campaign spend itself.
Even using the smallest Presidential campaign ad spend figure - $100,000 is about 0.005% of the online ad spend.
If "the Russians" are really that effective, they should just get Putin elected President and be done with it.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2019 16:43 utc | 5

# 3 "Entire" ? Honestly I do not imagine they are that coordinated, rather more ameba-like, always seeking. a sort of cacoethes born out according to a power-elite class dynamic equilibrium.

If we accept Director Casey's idea, the DS accords great value to deceiving the American people, or perhaps as they see things, the nutzlose fressers (deplorables) need to be under mind-control, and they pretty much are. A larg number take psycotropic drugs as prescribed - that an TV and bad food and little to do...and presto! Looit 'em...

The German tern, by the way, was used by the German nazis as part of their rationalisations to support murdering the sick and other weaklings, naming them useless eaters. I overheard old ladies at a Wal-Mart using the term.


In a related affair...the forced drugging (aka "vaccine") of people is illegal, but Maldives (and California, etc) follow "liberalist rules and order"...not Law....anyway see

UN Praises Maldives Bill Outlawing Informed Consent for Pharmaceuticals

That too would be in the DS agenda, eh?

RT has On Contact: CIA search for mind control with Stephen Kinzer

It's the way it goes. A real freak show.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 16:54 utc | 6

@Walter #6
You said:

"Entire" ? Honestly I do not imagine they are that coordinated, rather more ameba-like, always seeking. a sort of cacoethes born out according to a power-elite class dynamic equilibrium.

Agreed - which is why I am not a believer in the grand conspiracy theories some espouse. However, bureaucrats do share a number of common goals - and can be marshaled en masse by gifted leaders among them.
So I also don't agree that the outcome is purely chaotic - the question is how many competing interests in the context of the overall individual shared goals.

As for vaccine: While I am open the the idea that vaccination can be harmful in individual cases - particularly given genetic variation, there is no question in my mind, whatsoever, that the vaccines standardized today are a huge net positive overall.
The question ultimately is the balance between individual rights and society's prerogatives.

Newer vaccines are more suspect, but the debate isn't over those.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2019 17:21 utc | 7

'I couldn't have slept with Virginia Roberts-Giuffre, I was at Pizza Express.'

Funny how the name Pizza Express combines Pizzagate and Lolita Express. (Disclaimer: I don't believe in Pizzagate claims.) Couldn't he choose a different place, one with a better-sounding name, as he was going to lie anyway?

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2019 17:29 utc | 8

"...These Macedonians on Facebook didn’t care if Trump won or lost the White House. They only wanted pocket money to pay for things—a car, watches, better cell phones, more drinks at the bar..."
They sound just like the careerists pullulating the Beltway- exactly the sort of people that capitalism wants us all to emulate.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 17 2019 17:41 utc | 9

@8 Talking of Pizza Express their Woking branch has received a flood of reviews recently...

Posted by: dh | Nov 17 2019 17:47 utc | 10

As the image of Leonidas´300 is usually employed by well nurtured US puppets of the far-right in their propaganda memes, a more vivid appearance, if not because really Greeks and really resistance to the Empire...

Thousands of Greeks March to US Embassy on 46th Anniversary of Polytechnic Uprising - Live Video

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 17:47 utc | 11

@10 Ooops wrong link.....(he said backing slowly away from the barstool)....

Posted by: dh | Nov 17 2019 17:53 utc | 12

I am surprised that there was no mention here of the passing of James Le Mesurier. He was a tremendous humanitarian who showed the world the dastardly war crimes of the Syrian regime against the moderate rebels. No doubt it was the Russians and Iranians that killed him to spite the goodness of his mission and the purity of his heart.

Posted by: Philip Cross | Nov 17 2019 18:02 utc | 13

@ : c1ue | Nov 17 2019 17:21 utc | 7

I do not dispute in re vaccines. I do object to disposing of the law of informed consent. Any injection may be labeled as a "vaccine".

This has happened in "beta tests" (tetanus) that resulted in mass sterilization. It's common knowledge. The tetanus was the bait...sterility the goal. It worked.

I do not believe I said chaotic or purely chaotic. (purely chaotic would be an oxymoronic term anyway, as the math fellas tell me there's NST.)

About "vaccine" - that's the ringer. Once you get people to force one another to accept injections on order, the liquidation of der nutzlosenvolk may begin in earnest. It's the Old Army Game. The con.

By the way, in California one may become a licensed pharmacist without ever taking a chemistry class. Not even one. No kidding, even the pharmacist cannot know what is in that syringe.

Recently they shot up a bunch of old folks with insulin, opps! It was, they said, supposed to be the "flu vaccine"

The German nazi also "spritzed" the nutzlosen - air in the heart I believe. Injected by cops too... As I recall.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 18:25 utc | 14

@2 Maracatu

Re: El Salvador Perspectives, Life sadly imitating art, Miami Vice had a fictional similar story in 1986 staring G. Gordon Liddy of Watergate infamy

Capt. William 'Mr. Real Estate' Maynard (G. Gordon Liddy): You can't stop the inevitable flow of history Crockett.

Crockett: You know, you never know.

Posted by: TJ | Nov 17 2019 18:26 utc | 15

If you wanna know what's going on with Iran, read on...

There are protests in almost all cities in Iran, so far hundreds are dead, Internet is completely banned (only local websites are accessible) and IRGC and local police and militia are in the streets.

This all started with the government increasing the price of gas overnight from 1000 IRT to 3000 IRT (from ~8 US cents to ~24 US cents a liter). It sparked massive protests because A. it was announced overnight by head of 3 branches of government, and B. the populace is under immense pressure for economic hardship already.

Hundreds of gas stations have been burned and razed thus far.

So what's really going on?
Gas prices have remained the same for the past 8 years in Iran, but inflation has increased rapidly. 1000 IRT was about 35 US cents, but went down to 6 US cent. The parliament and the executive branches which are really corrupt in Iran, and strongly connected to the UK deep-state, did not want to increase it at all, despite laws requiring them to do so.

Khamenei and his ilk were pressuring them to do so for years, to no avail. Now suddenly, they do this when the sparks of revolution in Iraq and Lebanon are rising.

This is clearly the work of Rouhani, whom is a UK puppet (the first thing he did once becoming president was ban Iran's nuclear activities and Iran's space program via executive order. The second was to re-open UK embassy in Tehran. He also received a fake PhD from a UK university while he was head of Iran's security council! He also was the man in charge of Iran-Contra affair from Iran's side. That's why Khamenei pretty much sidelined him for all talks to Putin and Assad regarding the war in Syria, Rouhani commonly spreads anti-war propaganda in Iran). He is at the same time adhering to Khamenei's requests, while messing up the country at a crucial time. Obviously they could do this in a step-by-step manner, but instead they chose to announce it overnight on the national TV.

It's not the first time high-ranking foreign puppet presidents in Iran do this. exactly 20 years ago, around the same time, Khatami did something similar by ordering a secret police to attack students at University of Tehran as well as assasinate several political opponents. The country went on flames over night, and all Khatami did was blame left and right. Finally IRGC took control and Khatami had to publicly apologize, and pretty much all his cabinet was replaced afterwards.

My hope is that Rouhani's played hand is now visible as he has been sabotaging Iran for the past 7 years to an unimaginable extent (increased debt to GDP by 120%, inflation in excess of 500%, water shortage all across the country, JCPOA and suspension of all country's programs, etc.) and that the likes of him never get any power in Iran's politics.

Posted by: A | Nov 17 2019 18:45 utc | 16

@13 Philip Cross

That was exceedingly waggish of you, see you at the Pollo?

Posted by: TJ | Nov 17 2019 18:48 utc | 17


The Oslo Freedom Forum and its parent organization the Human Rights Foundation are among the greatest threats to peace in the world today. When they say democracy, they mean Fascism. When they say human rights they mean mass murder and genocide.

Nazi Brownshits were non-violent

Modern followers of Gene Sharp's non-violence, like those in the Ukraine, in Hong Kong, and in Bolivia practice non-lethal violence. This is little different form the non-violence practiced by the Nazi brownshirts of the Sturmabteilung or SA. The aim of non-lethal violence or "non-violence" as it is now called is never to kill. If someone dies, it happens by accident.

Read for yourself! The only time anyone gets killed in this Wikipedia article is when Hitler starts killing the SA leadership.

Its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties, especially the Red Front Fighters League (Rotfrontkämpferbund) of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews – for instance, during the 1933 Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses.

The first use of the word "killed" is two thirds down the article where the SA leaders get killed.

On June 30, 1934, Hitler, accompanied by SS units, arrived at Bad Wiessee, where he personally placed Röhm and other high-ranking SA leaders under arrest. Over the next 48 hours, 200 other senior SA officers were arrested on the way to Wiessee. Many were shot and killed as soon as they were captured, but Hitler decided to pardon Röhm because of his past services to the movement. On July 1, after much pressure from Göring and Himmler, Hitler agreed that Röhm should die. Hitler insisted that Röhm should first be allowed to commit suicide. But when Röhm refused to do so, he was killed by two SS officers, Theodor Eicke and Michael Lippert.

For comparison, the article on the Schutzstaffel or SS uses the words "killed" or "killing" 31 times:

- were used as slave labor or immediately killed.
- and others, were killed by the end of 1939.
- where they were killed in the gas chambers on arrival.
- Any Jews in the area were rounded up and killed.
- people of Asiatic descent were killed
- Victims at these new extermination camps were killed
- where victims were killed using the pesticide Zyklon B.
- SS-Hitlerjugend shot and killed twenty Canadian prisoners of war
- where 152,000 Jews were killed using gas vans.
- the rest were killed within hours of arrival.
- and killed potential partisans.
- killed more than two million people
- 33,771 Jews were killed in a single operation
- 25,000 victims from the Riga ghetto were killed.
- states that they killed 14,178 Jews, 1,001 partisans,
- actual number of Jews killed was closer to 23,700.
- not to be completely fit were killed within hours of arrival.
- too ill or injured to recover in that time frame were killed.

Another 13 uses of "killing":

- the genocidal killing of
- institutional killing and democide of more
- involved in killing people viewed as threats to race hygiene
- The SS and Gestapo carried out most of the killings.
- The killings were committed by Einsatzgruppen
- conducting extensive killing operations in the East.
- engaged in the mass killing of the Jewish population
- alternate methods of killing should be found
- Intensification of the killing operations took place
- replace the use of Einsatzgruppen for mass killings.
- imprisoned for eleven years for his role in the killings.
- SS killings in Zboriv, 1941. A teenage boy is brought to
- supervised the killing of those deemed unfit.

Remember, the people who first came for the socialists, and then the trade unionists before the Jews were not the SS but the SA.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 17 2019 19:07 utc | 18

@13 Philip Cross

Good to see you have taken some time off from Wikipedia edits :)

Posted by: evilsooty | Nov 17 2019 19:13 utc | 19

@ will the real philip cross stand up, LOLOL!

speaking of which snl did a skit on the impeachment hearings that was pretty funny... check it out if you haven't..

thanks for the week b and the additional links and insights..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2019 19:28 utc | 20

As a proof that the US is right there in Bolivia directing terror against population and undesired witnesses...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 19:55 utc | 21

the reporting on the opcw corruption was great.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 17 2019 20:01 utc | 22

@ 13 Philip Cross.
The other major set of lies being emitted out of Istanbul is the Ujghur prison story. 1 million in prison, so I guess about 5 million relatives - about half the Ujghur pop. Yet he only people with relatives in prison who have been interviewed by Western media however have been discovered in Istanbul. It sounds a nice sideline for anyone picking up Ujghurs on their way to Syria who has media contacts and gets paid for spinning the right stories.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 17 2019 20:18 utc | 23

American Admiral congratulates coup in Bolivia; cogitates military intervention in Venezuela

Almirante dos EUA parabeniza golpe na Bolívia e sugere que pode haver intervenção militar na Venezuela

Admireal Craig Stephen Faller told last Friday (15 Nov. 2019) that SouthCom followed closely the last developments in Bolivia and congratulated the Bolivian Armed Forces' "professionalism" in "defending democracy" in the Latin American country. He also called other "armed forces to be professional, because I know there are officers who'll do what's right".

The interview, done for Venezuelan right-wing broadcaster VPI TV, is essentially a formal threat by the Americans to Venezuela, the interviewer asked many times the admiral what were his plans to the country.

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2019 20:25 utc | 24

"The German tern, by the way, was used by the German nazis as part of their rationalisations to support murdering the sick and other weaklings, naming them useless eaters. I overheard old ladies at a Wal-Mart using the term.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 16:54 utc | 6"


That's why they say one should never eavesdrop: those that do it are unlikely to hear any good of themselves.

Posted by: Realist | Nov 17 2019 20:43 utc | 25

On the US scam which is behind the coup in Bolivia...they just can not allow those social economic indicators Morales´government was showing in just a decade...

As a proof, if more was needed, of that the Trump presidency only benefits a tiny minority of those who have beem making six ciphers income and now live on those mean people way overpayed for their "intelligence" work at SST

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 20:49 utc | 26

This point is crucial. These far-right opposition parties — of Añez in Bolivia or Guaidó's Voluntad Popular in Venezuela — are tiny fringe extremist parties

They could NEVER win a fair election. So the US backs military coups to install them with violence

It's probably worth remembering that self-declared Bolivian President Jeanine Añez's party got just 4.2% of the vote in the October elections. Yet media seem delighted she's criminalized the MAS party and given the army carte blanche "pacify" the population.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 20:58 utc | 27

Interview with Tsemakh. He was released
because they knew he was innocent and would expose all their phony allegations
as lies and fake, fabricated "reality". In a previous thread flankerbandit
revealed that mh17 was diverted from its flight plan. My understanding is that the
flight plan itself was a diversion from mh17's usual flight plan that it was following
in the days before the sept. 17 atrocity. That flight plan took mh17 200 miles south
and avoided the conflict zone altogether. So there is evidence of much more extensive
involvement in putting mh17 into the danger zone than just the ukrainian flight controllers.

Posted by: e | Nov 17 2019 20:59 utc | 28

The Trump backed governor candidate in Louisiana lost by 20 points yesterday in spite of Trump going to the state 3 times to support him in yesterday's election.

And then there is the report that Trump went to the Walter Reed hospital and I suspect he won't want to hear them tell him to stop eating junk food and drinking sugar water. But maybe they will give him an excuse to quit for health reasons....Gawd help us for every minute that Pence is President....

America is a zoo....which side of the bars are you on? Oga - Oga

I can't wait for the banking crash to watch the Super-Priority derivative holders come forward telling us they own everything and its all legal, just like Obama said about bailing out the global and national private banks and AIG in 2008.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2019 21:06 utc | 29

@ said Realist | Nov 17 2019 20:43 utc | 25

"That's why they say one should never eavesdrop: those that do it are unlikely to hear any good of themselves."

Please explain how this makes sense in context. It would seem to apply to you yourself as well as any, Dear Friend.

I am so glad to know.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 21:19 utc | 30

It's difficult to know what to make of these 'whistleblower' documents/reports out of the PRC about Xinjiang, supposed leaked to the NYT, and discussed in this morning's SMH


On the one hand, we're all saying 'well, duh', while on the other hand, western governments (e.g. here in Australia) are beginning to line up in condemnation after 'disturbing' revelations—i.e. they're feigning to give a damn about a KZ system on a par with the old gulag archipelago (and actually not very far away from the original). This comes a day after 2 of our members of parliament refused China's demands for 'repentance' as the price to go on a study tour in the PRC. They have long been critical of Chinese interference. One of them is Chair of Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security. So is this meant to be the smoking gun for a concentration camp regime in Islamic Chinese Turkmenistan priming the MSM in some way for a new Xinjiang narrative? I wouldn't even be surprised if Uighur mujahideen were being prepared a la 1979-89 Afghanistan. It's the CIA way after all. Any thoughts from the commentariat? Might this be a new front of the cold war against China?

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2019 21:20 utc | 31

Did I read the word "vaccine" here in the open thread?

*rubs hands together*

On the topic and pertaining to C1ue's comment @7, I will just post this reference graph detailing the fall of disease mortality to negligible amounts ("common-childhood disease" territory) far before the advent of modern vaccines and thanks large in part to the wonder of modern sanitation, diet, and hygiene.

How this graph is refuted by the pro-mandatory vaccine shills on the interweb is to point to the fact that this graph and its data represent mortality, not cases of measles, for example.

However, when we are talking about compulsory mass-vaccination movement, it is never pointed out that mortality is the single greatest method of instilling fear and thus submission into the public. Mortality is thus a very important statistic for measuring the ravages of disease.

In turn we can surmise then fairly that if mortality was taken to negligible amounts through the advent of the understanding as to what makes disease flourish in modern society and eliminating these conditions NATURALLY, then the question of forced mass-vaccination onto an uninformed public should be a relevant one to pose.

What Walter mentions above is also of utmost importance. For instance, the MMR, itself, can cause encephalitis if one were to consult the label. Its rate of this is nearly comparable to the cases of encephalitis caused by wild measles itself. And yet all we ever hear about measles is that it can kill you and cause encephalitis.

As measles is the only western disease of import currently with regard to the theory of "herd-immunity" and mandatory vaccinations, I'm quite sure the above information would be enough for any smart person to ponder whether forced, medical-intervention (which carries risk, naturally) is really worth it at all, when natural immunity for contracting disease has proven benefits, longer post-immunity rates, and does not suppress symptoms which is necessary to be able to identify and remove the infected host from contact with immunocompromised people. The whooping cough vaccine, for instance, suppresses symptoms allowing for a more dangerous situation when the infected are exposed to others.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 17 2019 21:34 utc | 32

I have long suspected that the Chinese have been clamping down hard in Xinjiang, as they seem well aware of the potential for external actors to stir up trouble there.
Returning (or foreign) jihadis from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, pose a perceived risk to the established order, and we know how adept the NWO/Deep-state is at flooding regions with agitators and weapons.
I don't agree with what the Chinese are doing to the Muslim population there at all, but is the height of hypocrisy to see political leaders in Australia lining up to condemn China when we are still destroying our indigenous brothers' and sisters' lives across the nation 24x7x365.
Australia is a nation ruled by jackals and spineless NWO yes-men.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 17 2019 21:44 utc | 33

Concern for human rights was a controversial policy initiative introduced during Carter's presidency. Militarist and imperialist factions in US were vocally opposed at the time. They were unable to foresee how concern for human rights would over time become the essential stick by which to pursue militarist and imperialist polices worldwide.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 17 2019 21:48 utc | 34

Patroklos @ 31:

"... I wouldn't even be surprised if Uighur mujahideen were being prepared a la 1979-89 Afghanistan. It's the CIA way after all ..."

I recommend that you watch UAE journalist Jenan Moussa's documentary "Undercover in Idlib" in which three informants independently travel through Idlib province in NW Syria and film and record what they see and hear on hidden cellphones. Although they all travelled independently of one another, they all agreed that in some towns they visited - Jisr al Shugurr in particular - all the original inhabitants had gone, and in their place were settled takfiris of Central Asian and Uyghur appearance.

As of 2017, there were estimated to be 10,000 - 20,000 Uyghur fighters and their families in Idlib province. The fighters had travelled to Syria on false passports provided by the Turkish government. Israeli intelligence had published a report on the phenomenon of 3,000 Uyghur fighters having joined the then Jabhat al Nusra organisation and ISIS in Syria.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 17 2019 21:53 utc | 35

Jon_in_AU @33
Right on. Agree on all points. We in Australia are currently living under the most craven, self-serving con artists ever to occupy Canberra. The ALP opposition is in disarray—after having depoliticized the working-class with cheap credit they now wonder who their electoral base is. Absolutely no historical sense whatsoever. Meanwhile the Coalition run this country like its the mid-19th century—that is, as a handful of colonial outposts on the east coast whose job is solely to support periodic Congo-like expeditions into the interior to pillage resources. The treatment of the indigenous population continues to be utterly shameful, but in line with this pioneer mentality which is happy to shoot them if they get in the way of stealing every resource that isn't nailed down. The bush burns, there's no water and rural towns are dying, but the property bubble in Sydney shows no sign of deflating, mainly because it's propped up by the entire apparatus of government and the RBA. We have no foreign policy (no one even reported the Bougainville independence referendum) and a PM who, on his recent US visit, could barely get off his knees when Trump was in the room. Australia is run by banks, real-estate and mining companies; what could have been a great nation, the Scandanavia of the Asia-Pacific, is a banana republic, full of pampered bogans who would crumble and head for the hills at the first sign of a real struggle. Don't get me started on Australia—I love it, but this decline and looting of what was once a great social democratic experiment breaks my heart...

And, yes, the hypocrisy on Xinjiang is staggering, not least from the Islamic heartland (KSA, Pakistan, etc) who are quite happy to let Islam be called a 'virus' by China in exchange for their investments. What, hypocrisy in foreign relations? No!

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2019 22:04 utc | 36

Patroklos @ 31:

We should be very wary of these "leaked Chinese documents" that the New York Times quotes. The NYT is hardly a paragon of objective or neutral reporting and it would be convenient for that rag to claim that it cannot publicise the names of the sources that leaked these documents, on the grounds that these sources would be endangered if their identities were known.

The Sydney Morning Herald is no more than a local condensed edition of the NYT and Jeff Bezos' blog, ever since it gave up reprinting The Fraudian's articles back in 2012 or 2013 once The Fraudian opened offices in Sydney and Melbourne to compete with the Fairfax newspapers for readers.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 17 2019 22:05 utc | 37

Thanks for the additional information.
Your posts are always informative (as are many other regulars here).

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 17 2019 22:05 utc | 38

@Jen | Nov 17 2019 21:53 utc | 35

Well there you have it. Thanks for this material!

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2019 22:06 utc | 39

Addendum to my vaccination post:

In the interest of fairness, here is an article from Veterans Today that takes Dr. Suzanne Humphries to task for er anti-vaccine book, Dissolving Illusions, which is fantastic BTW.

Of particular note, I want the reader to look at the article there and notice two conflicting things in the author's work.

First, notice the graph near the top of the story which shows incidences of measles in the U.S. You can see that measles cases were trending downward for sometime and then, with the advent of the first measles vaccine in 1963, that number starts to plummet. Remember this. For this graph, the author is attempting to show that incidences of measles was declining to quite negligible numbers as a result of the 1963 vaccine.

Now, if we take that information and proceed to the author's "Claim #3" down the article, we notice that in the first paragraph, he acknowledges that the first iteration of the vaccine in 1963 was entirely ineffective and was promptly replaced by the attenuated, live-vaccine in 1968. But by that time, case numbers of measles were in freefall and, by the author's admission, this was not the result of the vaccine, and yet he claims this above that the vaccine was able to "eliminate 90% of measles cases in a matter of years."

If you are following the logic here, you will note that that claim is garbage and can not be proven. You could just as easily say that by the time an effective measles vaccine was in place in 1968, measles cases were already in freefall and so it would be then impossible to say for sure if the vaccine had indeed cause the decrease in disease incidence or if, in a much more likely situation, disease reduction had already reached a milestone in eradication through the advent of public sanitation and hygiene that allowed ever decreasing incidences at quicker and quicker rates.

You see...there is no getting around the fact that you can not say for sure that vaccines have been the most important invention of modern medicine in the last centuries. On the contrary, you can say for sure, even though most do not admit, that sanitation and hygiene in the west, has allowed the greatest reduction of disease in modern times and this is shown quite easily in graphs, even in the ones that the opposition uses to shoot themselves in the foot.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 17 2019 22:08 utc | 40

In the last hours several videos have emerged in which a military convoy is seen joining the indigenous marches towards La Paz. More details about the event are unknown and at the moment it seems somewhat isolated.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:09 utc | 41

The United States government has just published a statement giving its support to the protests against the government of Iran and condemning the use of lethal force against protesters.

So far we have not heard about dead victims in Iran.
On the contrary, there have been 27 dead victims in Bolivia and hudnreds of injured, which the US government has not condemned at all....but keeos encouraging through its direction and support of the coupist junta...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:16 utc | 42

Further to that..
Whats makes me truly sickened is that we have a government in power that rather than constitutional recognition of the indigenous people of Australia, is heading towards legislated apartheid.
You can all but guarantee that they will slip in clauses to the legislation to protect the big miners from indigenous land rights claims, and voila, apartheid by an Act of parliament.
Sad times to be an Australian...

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 17 2019 22:30 utc | 43

It seems that there would have been several arrests. In Hong Kong it is now 5:55 in the morning.

Initial reports that the police would have launched an assault on the positions of the protesters at the Polytechnic University.

Protesters who are surrounded by riot police at the Polytechnic University have issued an SOS to encourage more protests and thus divide the surrounding police.

Map of the Polytechnic University of Hong Kong, the red crosses show the deployment of the police.

The Hong Kong Police warns protesters at the Polytechnic University that they could make use of real ammunition if they still have to face lethal weaponry such as bows, incendiary arrows and gasoline pumps.

Clashes between police and protesters in the vicinity of the Polytechnic University of Hong Kong.

Protesters set fire to a bridge connecting the University of Hong Kong with the Hung Jong subway station. In the clashes a policeman has been injured by an arrow.

In the Hong Kong protests of these days the use of bows with incendiary arrows has also been seen.

Protesters beat and burn the truck of a man who stopped to argue with them about the road block.

Moment in which the 70-year-old man is hit in the head by a brick. Apparently there was a fight between protesters and residents who wanted to clean the road.

The 70-year-old man declared dead in brain death after being struck by a stone thrown by protesters.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:37 utc | 44

Why a provisional government, as they have called it the Russian administration, take such decissions?

Bolivia announces its withdrawal from the Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA) and its possible abandonment of the Union of South American Nations (Unasur).

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:41 utc | 45

The Garrison of the People's Liberation Army of Hong Kong has been deployed in the streets to clear the barricades of the protests. This is the first time they have been deployed since the demonstrations began.

The Hong Kong Government has reported that they did not request the deployment of the People's Liberation Army, necessary under the Basic Law. These declare that the deployment was by volunteers on a personal basis.

Moment when they return to the barracks. The stated objective was to help residents clean the streets.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:50 utc | 46

It seems that for the time being, these volunteers are dedicated to cleaning streets...

PLA deployed in #HongKong to clean streets of #HongKongProtesters roadblocks Orange Shirt: Special Forces 8th Company Blue Shirt: Special Force Xuefeng Battalion #HongKongProtests

The People's Liberation Army is seen clearing barricades outside Baptist University. #HongKongProtests

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 23:00 utc | 47

What may have possibly caused the volunteering of the PLA is this:

Brave #HongKongProtesters stand up for “Democracy and Freedom” by fire bombing unarmed #HongKong civilians trying to clean up street blocks outside their home. #HongKongProtests

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 23:06 utc | 48

What may have possibly caused the volunteering of the PLA...

As most int'l corporations shun #HongKong Uni grads from their recruitment agenda , #HKrioters prepare for their next phase of devolution -->Hunter-gatherers.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 23:11 utc | 49

I wonder where all these construction materials in such ammount are coming from....How do them arrive to the riotters...It has to come by truck since those are heavy materials...It would be good to track the route of all these materials and expose it to the world...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 23:18 utc | 50

@ 34. Yes, Jimmy did champion the nice talk, but the agenda long predate old Jim.

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) is a historic document that was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly at its third session on 10 December 1948 as Resolution 217 at the Palais de Chaillot in Paris, France. Of the then 58 members of the United Nations, 48 voted in favor, none against, eight abstained, and two did not vote"

By developing an emotional claim of R2P under the "liberalist world order" ( That's how they talk, their terms) some hold it "legal" to bomb sovereign states to rubble and kill millions.

They show pictures and tell you fairy-tales to get your basic as any con=game.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 23:57 utc | 51

@ Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2019 22:04 utc | 36

The debate you're having with PeterAU is immaterial because the Chinese Government has already extraofficially denied the NYT's interpretation of the "leaked document":

Western media report on Xinjiang lacks morality

Besides, in the middle of the article of the NYT itself, it is revealed Xi Jinping expressely told his subordinates he was against the crackdown. One more case of "click bait".

But the NYT's article is most likely fake news (not the documents, the interpretation of the documents) for one simple reason: the article itself claims "more than 400 pages". They are all in Chinese. The problem here is that the article is from November 16, 2019, and the article doesn't mention WHEN they were leaked (or if they leaked at the same time). If this was a truly investigative piece of journalism, then we should have a detailed timeline of the documents by leak date and under what circumstances they were leaked. Since it appears they are all in pdf format, we can assume hacking or whistleblowing. If that's the case, then we can assume they were all more or less leaked at the same time.

If they all came more or less at the same time, then why didn't the NYT tells us the date they came to their hands? My assumption is that they came either November 15 or November 16, 2019, i.e. the exact date or the day before the publication of the article.

That would mean the NYT didn't even bother to translate all those pages (403 total) to English. They probably sent their Chinese translators to read it with the journalist who signed the page (or the journalist knows Chinese, it doesn't matter for my hypothesis) and, through this dynamic and acritical reading, they kept and translated just the excerpts they thought fit their preconception (of what they wanted to publish) plus the excerpts by Xi Jinping (in order to give credibility).

If that was the case, then the NYT simply quoted some excerpts of the documents in order to build a false narrative, i.e. they created a piece of fake news with legitimate documents. And I believe that was the case: in the NYT page itself, there are no images of the translated documents, just the Chinese originals (what is the NYT readership going to do with them if they are not mirrored with the translated versions? Are they simply going to believe the newspapers' translation?), and no specified date of the leak. Indeed, that's exactly the accusation the Global Times makes in the link I put above.

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2019 23:57 utc | 52

Thanks Sasha for the updates to the HK riots. I got a glimpse of the video about the death of the 70 year old resident. It's over for these terrorists. Those "archers" blindly shooting arrows into the air is like firing your rifle with your eyes closed. Hopefully non-combatants were not in the area.

As for the source and delivery method of construction materials, think five-finger discount.


I'm sure there are no doubts here about the tactics used in HK was lessons learned from the Antifa movement in the US. I have a hunch that these tactics used in HK will be applied elsewhere. It might even return back to the US for round two.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 18 2019 0:02 utc | 53

@13 Funny stuff! Cant wait for Craig Murray to jump on the opportunity to join us..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 18 2019 0:07 utc | 54

1. )God I hate these vaccine debates.


2.) All this weaponizing of protests is just going to discredit protests in the same way that weaponizing NGOs has discredited and delegitimized NGOs. Good work boys.

You can watch it happening in real time. I'm starting to think the weaponizing of "human rights" is going to have a similar effect too. The result of this stupidity is not going to be some new utopian order.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 18 2019 0:07 utc | 55

psychohistorian @29 wrote "The Trump backed governor candidate in Louisiana lost by 20 points yesterday"

That is incorrect. The margin was about 2%.

Posted by: Don Wills | Nov 18 2019 0:07 utc | 56

@55 bemildred

You're right. Taking our liberty, probably by force in the near future, is really boring stuff.

You always have the right to fly over the comment without poking your nose in. Btw, is that sand in your nostrils?

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 18 2019 0:22 utc | 57

Hubrisiscalling: thanks for making my point.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 18 2019 0:24 utc | 58

I too dislike "vac debate". It's a red herring, a ringer. The game is establishing group peer pressure and intimidation to force submission, to accept injections one way or another. "vac'ne" is a deceptive naming in rhetorical analysis. The program will have succeeded when it becomes normal to submit to the state sticking needles in you. You cannot know what's in the syringe, and you can not refuse. Think about it. Vac is bs, the birdie, the ringer. It's the needle you can't refuse that's the center.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 18 2019 0:34 utc | 59

Anecdotally, there is a great deal to be said about the effects of living in the West with indoor plumbing, overuse of antibiotics, etc. Scientists believe that an environment that is significantly more dirty than the West for example, offers "priming" events that benefit the immune system and which leaves the West, with its hypercleanliness at a disadvantage.

I know, I know. Tell that to third worlders that toil in rubbish heaps and whose homes lack indoor plumbing, clean water, etc.

However, as someone that suffers from a very 1st world disease, Crohn's, I have often wondered my condition as it relates to my vaccine history and my hyper-clean environment that offered no "priming" events as it does for third worlders.

A lesson can be gleaned from all this, between 1st and 3rd worlds. Good health and the human immune system is still a giant mystery to scientists. Talk to any immunologist. We know jack

As a result, I am left to speculate as to how my Crohn's came to being and whether vaccines played a part or our sterile environment or what have you.

You might begin to see why I am very reticent to inject my daughter with vaccines that are the only modern medicine not mandated for the gold-standard double-blind placebo test.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 18 2019 0:43 utc | 60

@Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 18 2019 0:02 utc | 53

What do you mean by "fieve finger discount?

In fact, the tactics of the HK protests are being mimeticed eveywhere where the US is meddling with its dity hands...

Cuts of main roads and airports, not allowing anybody to pass through, not even to hospital, were repeteadly seen in HK, Lebanon, and Catalonia....

Burning cars in the streets, government buildings or official news agencies, vandalizing and looting of business, just have been seen these last days in Iran riots praised by Pompeo, but were previsouly seen in HK, Iraq, and Catalonia.....

And, definitely, these tactics we have never seen them used by antifa, but by US managed far-right riotters in the Ukraine....and everywhere...

Notice that the legitimate protesters in Chile and Bolivia only use some stones and sticks and are systematically beated, raped, dissapeared or simply shot dead like the other day in Cochabamba....

Guide for protests...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 18 2019 0:44 utc | 61

I always get a laugh out of that picture of the fake "chlorine bomb." What kind of idiots would believe a simple propane-style low pressure gas cylinder could punch a hole through steel reinforced concrete and then gently lay itself down on the bed without even a dent? And the cylinder has fins attached, so how would it fall sideways in the first place to make that kind of hole?

The fact that there is any debate at all over the whole nonsensical "chlorine attack" farce is a good illustration of the human qualities that PT Barnum exploited to make his $millions.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 18 2019 0:48 utc | 62

@59 Walter

While I think you have a point re: the power the state has over you and how that, in itself, is cause for alarm, one must still engage in scientific debate, otherwise you would be relegated to "nutter" category.

Just like anything else, you get better at it the more you study, the more you look. The more you will see.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 18 2019 0:49 utc | 63

@ b's highlighting "A detailed timeline of Brennan's shenanigans.
The Brennan Dossier: All About a Prime Mover of Russiagate - " Confirmed: Dems switched from “quid pro quo” to “bribery” because a focus group told them it was better - HotAir

DOJ Upgrades Russia-Origins Probe to Criminal Investigation

[.]"It is unclear when the initial inquiry turned into a criminal investigation. When attorney general William P. Barr first appointed John Durham in May to lead the review, the only actions in scope for the Connecticut U.S. attorney were to voluntarily question people and to peruse government files. Durham now has the power to subpoena witness testimonies and documents, to convene a grand jury, and to file criminal charges.[.]

Where there is more than a little smoke, Brennan may be a dead man walking and suited up with lawyers.

Here is AG Bar on Friday and I bet he is not just reading tea leaves.


Barr defends Trump's use of executive authority, slams impeachment hearings

[.]While Barr never specifically mentioned impeachment, he took the president’s critics to task for what he said was an effort to undermine Trump.

“Immediately after President Trump won election, opponents inaugurated what they called ‘The Resistance,’ and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver available to sabotage the functioning of his Administration,” he said. “They essentially see themselves as engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government.”[.]

Hmmmmm. Brennan may just be birthing a baby elephant and not a donkey.

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 18 2019 1:07 utc | 64

@ Don Wills with the correction to my 20% claim on the Louisiana governor race yesterday

I was way wrong (bad source that gave the earlier primary 20% election results) and below are the yesterday's results showing only a 2.6% difference

John Bel Edwards*
774,469 51.3%
Eddie Rispone
734,128 48.7%
1,508,597 votes, 100% reporting (3,934 of 3,934 precincts)

* Incumbent

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 1:11 utc | 65

Sasha | Nov 18 2019 0:44 utc | 61:

Five finger discount = theft, shoplifting, etc...

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 18 2019 1:12 utc | 66

@ psychohistorian | Nov 17 2019 21:06 utc | 29

"I can't wait for the banking crash to watch the Super-Priority derivative holders come forward telling us they own everything and its all legal, just like Obama said about bailing out the global and national private banks and AIG in 2008."

11 years is a long wait and it may take many more years for the crash. 100 Trillions more will be printed AFTER the bail-in from depositors' accounts.

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 18 2019 1:16 utc | 67

Sasha @ 50:

The construction materials could be coming to the students in diplomatic bags (which can actually be as big as shipping containers) straight from the international airport.

Read this and try not to laugh:

... [One] example — the hon. Member for Birmingham, Ladywood (Ms. Short) may agree that it supports the case that I made a few moments ago—is that of a diplomatic trunk belonging to the Egyptian embassy in Rome. The trunk was found by the Italian police to be giving off what was described as a muffled thumping from inside. They did not hesitate. They required the bag to be opened and found that the trunk, lined with leather and fitted with a chair and clamps for ankles and the head, was well worn, as well it might have been, because it also contained Mordecai ben Masuud Louk, an Israeli on his way, gagged and drugged, to Cairo. It was obvious that that diplomatic bag had been used for this purpose on previous occasions.

I shall give one final example. The bags being carried by Mr. Manlio Blais, a courier for the Italian embassy in Paris, proved at the airport to be too heavy for the porters to lift. That was not surprising, because when opened it was found to contain 2,000 watches ...

I am all for the students barricading themselves in their universities along with the lecturers, tutors and other staff who support them. Maybe the PLA could kindly send them rolls of barbed wire to help construct their fences, and excavators to help dig the moats around the university premises. Once the universities are secure from the HK police, all that is needed is for the HK government to classify the universities as mental asylums.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 18 2019 1:24 utc | 68

Last week a small but illuminating occurence at the intellectual core of amerikan zionism was reported in specialist ME press.
The arsehole administrators at Harvard Law School had convened a speech laughably titled a discussion, by Dani Dayan Israeli diplomat and former leader of the Israeli settler movement on the contentious & paradoxic topic of “The Legal Strategy of Israeli Settlements".
A mob of Harvard law students fronted, then whoa now, as soon as Dayan took the mic, most of them stood up waving signs that said “Settlements are a war crime”, and walked out leaving Dershowitz & co's honoured guest to speak to a mostly empty venue.

This has been a long time coming, it was back in 2012 during Oblammer's second campaign that many of us predicted the zionist domination of the political class had reached its zenith, even half smart humans couldn't swallow such nonsense as they spout ad infinitum.
Seems like we were out by at least 7 years.
Even though such incidents have become commonplace on many campuses, as much as we may be loathe to admit it, Harvard law is probably the school that wields the most influence over the empire's 'in the line to be leaders'.
That of course is why that the hasbarite leaders such as Dershowitz have invested so many resources in propagandising harvard Law students.
One can argue that elite institutions such as HLS are losing their former status, but that will not happen overnight it will be a process, and the fact that this type of instinctive rejection, without pointless engagement in time-wasting 'discussion' of apartheid israel's policies in Occupied Palestine, has occurred throughout the empire's senior tertiary education institutions points towards an eventual foreign policy which rejects knee-jerk support of israeli butchery.

Yep it is coming much too slow and these students are most likely banking on the continued existence of the fascist regime which they hope to lead one day, albeit sans israel, nevertheless this storm in a teacup does indicate that it will not be long before there is a much larger contretemps right, bam smack in the middle of the evil empire's black heart.

Posted by: A User | Nov 18 2019 1:27 utc | 69

I feel sorry for the Bolivians
in one of the shittiest of shithole countries
which comes off second best in all conflicts with its shithole neighbours
they are looked down on by almost all of south america.

Morales at least let native Bolivians stand tall in their own country, but his government seemed to collapse so easily.
It will take generations of blood to turn the political compass back now.
In hindsight a pre-emptive lopping of capitalists and western influence would have been prudent even though it would be reducing to the level of the fascists, yet the minute the opposition grabbed the reins they have not been so squeamish.

I hope they don't experience a wave of lithium toxicity but their new masters will not likely be considerate. What are the side-effects? I think dialysis is largely dominated by western technology.
Those unaffected may be pressured to be kidney donors.
Bolivia's shithole status will now be cemented as lithium miners and kidney donors for the west.

Posted by: ziogolem | Nov 18 2019 1:40 utc | 70

Lozion @ 54:

Now, now ... Philip Cross used to be an economist employed at Statistics Canada until some years ago when he formed his own research consultancy business Philip Cross Economics.

Philip Cross Economics is listed as a donor in Canadian thinktank Macdonald-Laurier Institute's 2018 annual report where Philip Cross happens to be a Senior Fellow. Of course we wouldn't dare to judge MLI's impeccable credentials as an objective reporting research organisation registered in Canada as a charity.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 18 2019 1:42 utc | 71

Over on the OPCW thread there is a "discussion" about what the UN is and I went looking for both a comment I made here in, I believe, 2015 and the link included in that comment to a picture of a Ukraine representative/ambassador kissing the ring/hand of Samantha Power and have not gotten anywhere.

The point I was going to make is my opinion that the UN is the High Court of Western Empire and nothing more.

Since I can't find that picture which was part of an article about Ukraine and the perfidy of the UN at the time I can only express dismay about the decline of search engines or there turning into political tools....any help on this from fellow barflys would be appreciated

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 2:17 utc | 72

Jen | Nov 18 2019 1:24 utc | 68:

A case can be made out for saying that while the vast majority of diplomats—certainly all our own diplomats —never indulge in such malpractices, there is today an increasing use of diplomatic baggage for the support of terrorist organisations.

Your link brings up something that I've been thinking about for some time. Diplomatic privileges have been egregiously abused and I can't see how it could be reformed. Here we have embassies, and some times consulates, that are so damn large, you could stuff a division of men inside of it. It's no longer a place of residence for an ambassador and his staff.

I'm thinking maybe have one place where all diplomats live and work. And then there's the question of where will this place be? There's really no neutral place on this planet. Maybe on the Moon or a space station? In the age of satellites, there would be no communication problems. Unfortunately, tourists will have to take their chance when traveling abroad.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 18 2019 2:40 utc | 73

Sasha @ 47

The People's Liberation Army is seen clearing barricades outside Baptist University.

Nah, that needs editing.
The People's Liberation Army is seen clearing barricades outside their barracks.

Look up Renfrew Road in Kowloon, Hong Kong in Google Maps. On one side it's the PLA barracks, on the other it's the Baptist University.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 18 2019 2:53 utc | 74

psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 2:17 utc | 72:

Well, I've found someone more vile than Powers. But I did find an old article from The Duran where the pictures have been removed.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 18 2019 2:59 utc | 75

Thanks to Ian2 in comment # 75

Yeah I saw that also but there were others and what does it say that the picture has ben removed from the Duran posting....

Yeah, anybody kissing the hand of despicable Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton makes me sick.

Onto another wish is my thought that it would be good for there to be another Occupy Wall Street movement to offset what is being staged in Hong Kong and now managed by the mainland forces......SIGH Maybe if the private banks "crash" like is being forestalled by the Fed since September the US will see another wave of protests.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 3:25 utc | 76

This article is recommended reading, not only for what he says but also far the eloquence and precision with which he says it.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 18 2019 3:36 utc | 77

Maybe you meant this picture?
"Unbelievably Pathetic Groveling of Kiev's Klimkin to Samantha Power at UN"

Posted by: k | Nov 18 2019 4:15 utc | 78

@77 bevin

Thanks for that link. Hugely chilling.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 18 2019 4:38 utc | 79

@ bevin with comment # 77 and the link to the comprehensive article about how profit has compromised health care in America.

I can speak from personal experience that he is writing the truth. I was on narcotics for 3 1/2 years after getting sideswiped by a SUV/truck riding my bicycle in 2006. I credit myself for the healing path outside the US health care system that now has me off all drugs for almost 4 months and almost symptom free...I am starting articular acupuncture therapy for my vagus nerve this next week that should deal with the residual of my symptoms.

For pain there are alternatives like photobiomodulation units that I now use and cost as little as $40...mine costs $175 (Medlight 630 PRO) and I have two of them just in case so I don't have to go back on drugs for pain management.

The mental health field is focused on a drug/talk paradigm that pales in comparison to the effectiveness of neuromodulation/talk therapies that already have a history you don't read about for HEAL ING epilepsy, ADD/ADHD, autism, OCD, depression, anxiety, PTSD, migraines, addictions and my TBI (traumatic brain injury) from taking the side mirror OFF that SUV/truck moving at highway speed in 2006.

Science has already proven the short-sided approach of drugs by showing that a type of Glia called an astrocyte sets up (the bio-chemical stake-in-the-ground that started Big Pharma in 1951 doesn't happen if the astrocyte does not set it up )and clears out the neuronal synaptic cleft that the drug industry keeps forcing chemicals into. We are very much bio-electric and the epiphenomena of wave forms our body starts making from early in our mothers womb are amazing indicators of our mental health. And these wave forms can be trained to reduce or eliminate all the symptoms/maladies listed above.

Enough....The outline of my presentation about these things are at my web site of my moniker sufficed with /neuromodulation

Humanity needs to take profit out of the provision of health care!!!!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 4:41 utc | 80

@ 60 on Crohns disease: They spray round up on wheat to dry it out prematurely.

Posted by: ben | Nov 18 2019 4:42 utc | 81

@ k with comment # 78 and link to the article/picture I was looking for....THANKS!

I apologize to all for my unedited rant about Western health care and my successful healing path in spite of its failures. It is on my list to pull all the learning I have experienced in my process together better but I am not quite where I want to be yet and have lost 13+ years of my life and have other living challenges and forwarding public finance which is at the root of most Western societal ills, like health care, IMO.

Feel free to contact me if you have questions about the neuromodulation/neurofeedback therapies that worked for me, an old fart.....different neuromodulation therapies reportedly work for kids and take less time/effort....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 5:01 utc | 82

Thanks to b for posting this open thread. I had a link a while back, that I put into the recent Zelensky thread as follows:

I was considering where to post this, and as it indirectly concerns the impeachment saga, I thought here was best. In preface I'll just say I was impressed by the bulk of this address but not the final paragraphs, which I disagree with in light of karlof1's reminder that Constitutionally speaking, we are bound by international law, having accepted the Charter of the United Nations. I'm not sure where Supreme Court powers with respect to the treatment of prisoners lie, but the matter isn't the main part of the address, as I see it.


Posted by: juliania | Nov 16 2019 20:07 utc | 149

Several posters did comment, but they apparently hadn't read the Barr address I linked to, and their observations I felt did not address my interest in what Attorney General Barr had to say. For that reason I would like to post this again, in hopes of further comment.

It's a very readable piece, and rather than put forward my own views, in light of the fact that Barr is
presumably mounting a defense of Trump that could include calling some deep state folk to account, I think it is worthy of consideration here.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2019 5:06 utc | 83

Sorry, my link didn't transfer properly - I will try again.


Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2019 5:12 utc | 84


More to do with genes (breed) rather than environment. Same as different breeds of dog or cattle or whatever are susceptible to different diseases and conditions.
"Human leukocyte antigen (HLA) B27 (subtypes B*2701-2759)[1] is a class I surface antigen encoded by the B locus in the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) on chromosome 6 and presents antigenic peptides (derived from self and non-self antigens) to T cells. HLA-B27 is strongly associated with ankylosing spondylitis (AS), and other associated inflammatory diseases referred to as "spondyloarthropathies". Diseases associated with the HLA-B27 subtype can be remembered with the mnemonic PAIR, and include Psoriasis, Ankylosing spondylitis, Inflammatory bowel disease, and Reactive arthritis.

The prevalence of HLA-B27 varies markedly in the general population. For example, about 8% of Caucasians, 4% of North Africans, 2-9% of Chinese, and 0.1-0.5% of persons of Japanese descent possess the gene that codes for this antigen.[1] In northern Scandinavia (Lapland), 24% of people are HLA-B27 positive, while 1.8% have associated ankylosing spondylitis."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2019 5:16 utc | 85

Apologies, likkelmore @ 64 - I see you have posted a piece from the Hill which also links to the address given by Barr - but is I think extremely defamatory in nature. Better I think to read the original than
to take the Hill's word on what AG Barr was saying.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2019 5:24 utc | 86

@85 Peter AU1

Yes, I am aware of certain race's predisposition to acquiring disease. Africans are more likely to develop Sickle Cell Anomeia, for instance.

That doesn't answer the question as to the cause, however. We all descended from the same DNA. What differences in the environment led to different race jetting out in different directions when it comes to problems with disease and autoimmunity.

Furthermore, potential triggering events such as vaccines or exposures to what have you can reveal these genetic deficiencies more fully. Scientists, I do not believe can or would ever rule out envirinmental factors.

Posted by: NemesisCallinh | Nov 18 2019 5:45 utc | 87


The genetic disposition or make up does react to environmental factors, but I am not sure that it is a difference between first world and third world environments.
I have ankylosing spondylitis, somewhat mild but pelvis and lower back fused and changes to my upper back. I suspect I also have mild crohn's. I never catch the coughs, colds and gut bugs that go around. A bit of a f..cked up immune system.
I used to take anti inflammatories for my back, now I take them for my gut.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2019 6:00 utc | 88

@88 Peter AU1

Are you on prednisone? If you are, I would recommend switching to budesonide (entecort?). It is a much milder systematic corticosteroid without the dreadful side effects of prednisone. It worked like a charm and am still on it for my gut. Better than pred.

The reason why some scientists believe in 1st world caused diseases is that in the last century or so, IBD and such have skyrocketed in rates in developed countries, coinciding with implementation of modern sanitation.

On the other hand, I have read studies regarding Crohn's that cast doubt as to whether Crohn's is an autoimmune disease or not and that there is possibility it could be the result of bacteria. They can't even know for sure if it is a pathogen or our own body doing the damage!

That is what I mean when I say immunologists will be the first to say we know jack.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2019 6:10 utc | 89

@81 Ben

I am all for heaping on Monsanto as much as the next

However, IBD has been around a lot longer than GMOs.

I do believe it damages the gut system, however. We stay away or minimize our processed food and gmo intake.

On the other hand, RoundUp is a fabulous product for ornamental landscape care. Even reverting fields back to native meadows for pollinators requires ground clearers like glyphosate for native restoration.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2019 6:18 utc | 90


Just Ibuprofen. Stops the gut pain.

"1st world caused diseases is that in the last century or so, IBD and such have skyrocketed in rates in developed countries"

I suspect this is due to diagnosis. Ankylosing spondylitis was unknown for most of the time it was giving me problems. Pain was so bad for awhile that I could only sleep a couple of hours a night sitting up in an armchair. I would go to the doc and they would tell me "everyone has a bit of back pain, forget about it and go back to work".

In a hunter gather setup, I would have died as a young teenager. My ankles and knees swelled up like balloons. I now know that was juvenile spondylitis, but it wasn't known at the time.
A hundred years or less back, officers and gentleman had fatigue, whereas the lower classes were malingerers.

I think the difference now is that doctors recognise there is something wrong but have no idea what it is. I have often thought communist doctors would be worth a try as they seem more towards cure than profits -Cuba, China, Russia, but then it would depend on how susceptible to these type problems the people of those countries are. In saying that doctors recognise something is wrong, if nothing shows up on scientific tests, many will say there is nothing wrong with you, its all in your mind.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2019 6:50 utc | 91

@Petri Krohn #18: Members of Ukrainian organization Freikorps march in Kharkov in October 2019: photo. Note the Wolfsangel symbol on the flags.

Posted by: S | Nov 18 2019 7:12 utc | 92

@ 81 Ben the sure do not spray Round Up on the fields here in Ohio. From what I've read, that is a northern Canadian things on years they may not get a harvest so it hurries the drying. I can say that in the 10 years I've living here I have NEVER seen wheat or oats sprayed after they have headed out at all. That Natural News report has gone viral, and it just isn't true for the majority of US wheat. I suspect the issue with US wheat is that it has been bread for mechanical harvesting, not humans. Before 1932 Britain had something like 132 varieties of wheat, each with their own regional variations in use, flavor, and growing conditions. Now we just shovel fertilizer at it and a bigger yield is seen as a success, no matter if it is nutritious or if it is cardboard.

Thank you Sasha, for the updates on Bolivia.

Thank you, B for this forum!

Posted by: sorghum | Nov 18 2019 7:34 utc | 93

Saker has a goodie on impeachment fiasco.

It all started with a tweet. Do read the comments.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2019 7:54 utc | 94

For moi the most illuminating thing about prince randy andy's arselicking bbc interview was the dick of york's failure to comprehend a simple truth MMXIX est annus horribilis enim raptorem , aka 2019 is a bad year for rapists (and yes classicists my grammar leaves much to be desired but you should get the general drift).

Any human who reads even the occasional fishwrap or tunes into any TV news has to be aware that this is not a time to be seen ignoring the slightest hurt done to woman, much less the rape of a girl, yet the fascinatingly foolish andrew blundered in dismissing his victims' pain like so much peripheral white noise whilst he whined about the difficulties "one faced" raising two daughters on £400,000 ($517,984.00 US) a year.

How could that be? The dick's reason for making this car crash was that he was concerned about the way he had been portrayed in the media "since the epstein business took off".

Yet the reason is obvious, despite having taxpayers keep him in nearly every english language fishwrap, his (also tax payer funded) aides run a home clipping service for him, after all he is only interested in articles about 'Andrew'. Line the worthless f+cker up a against the wall - let's rid the world of this parasitical monster.

ps one of the kids showed me a download of an episode of the latest netflix soap about this Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family and it is clear that netflix is sticking to the US govt stricture about the need to keep Mr Corbyn out of power by any means necessary since the show goes to great lengths to insinuate that Harold Wilson (brit labour PM in the 60's 70's) was a Soviet mole. Of course he was nothing of the sort, but when has the truth had anything to do with it? the englanders are right in the middle of an election campaign and any libel is a good libel.

Posted by: A User | Nov 18 2019 8:00 utc | 95

Bernhard, wish you would take a look at this Reuters report about leaked papers showing Xi calling in 2014 for "showing absolutely no mercy" in Xinjiang, in light of a stabbing spree in which 31 people were killed.

Posted by: sarz | Nov 18 2019 8:43 utc | 96

Juliana #83

Well, thank you for your invitation to discuss Barr's presentation. I have stopped momentarily to post this comment on his part A where he opines (my emphases):

Conservatives, on the other hand, do not seek an earthly paradise. We are interested in preserving over the long run the proper balance of freedom and order necessary for healthy development of natural civil society and individual human flourishing,. This means that we naturally test the propriety and wisdom of action under a “rule of law” standard. The essence of this standard is to ask what the overall impact on society over the long run if the action we are taking, or principle we are applying, in a given circumstance was universalized – that is, would it be good for society over the long haul if this was done in all like circumstances?

For these reasons, conservatives tend to have more scruple over their political tactics and rarely feel that the ends justify the means. And this is as it should be, but there is no getting around the fact that this puts conservatives at a disadvantage when facing progressive holy far,[sic. war?] especially when doing so under the weight of a hyper-partisan media.

Absolute self serving delusion! Almost every sentence is worthy of rebuttal but I see ALL USA conservatives using every means possible to ensure the people are the servants of private capital manipulation and predation. Barr calls the non conservatives 'progressives' and that is his code for democrats as it is a 2 party system I guess. I will read on to part B.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2019 8:53 utc | 97

Evgeny Lebedev: Britain has been infiltrated by an ugly strain of Russia phobia

All my life I have been asked by fellow Russians whether I feel like an outsider in the UK, where I am a citizen and where have lived since I was eight years old.

The answer, until very recently, has been No. Yet I have been forced to rethink this, as an ugly strain of Russophobia has infiltrated Britain.

Posted by: Mao | Nov 18 2019 9:22 utc | 98

Juliana #83

From Barr part B

This usurpation [of the President’s discretion as Commander in Chief] climaxed with the Court’s 2008 decision in Boumediene. There, the Supreme Court overturned hundreds of years of American, and earlier British, law and practice, which had always considered decisions as to whether to detain foreign combatants to be purely military judgments which civilian judges had no power to review. For the first time, the Court ruled that foreign persons who had no connection with the United States other than being confronted by our military on the battlefield had “due process” rights and thus have the right to habeas corpus to obtain judicial review of whether the military has a sufficient evidentiary basis to hold them.

In essence, the Court has taken the rules that govern our domestic criminal justice process and carried them over and superimposed them on the Nation’s activities when it is engaged in armed conflict with foreign enemies. This rides roughshod over a fundamental distinction that is integral to the Constitution and integral to the role played by the President in our system.

The rule of law and the role of the judiciary is simply not static and nor can a constitution be static. Both are intended or predicated to evolve and mutate with the evolution of human wisdom. If there is contention as to that evolution, it is the role (indeed obligation) of the legislature to respond with new or amending law. Barr makes it awfully clear early on that he is totally on the side of originalism with the constitution and very anti interpreting it in a modern way.

I would advocate that all military activities on any land outside of the USA be justiciable in the courts of the invader. The regulation of the armed forces cannot be left entirely to the President, his generals or appointees or the corporate sector. That must surely be subject to both judicial and congressional review and monitor. In this modern world with respect to the USA constitution how else will private armies or even white helmets style belligerents be brought under civil law review. We can see clearly that leaving war crimes reporting to Wikileaks or the international courts are anathema to the USA who will stop at nothing to hobble or destroy their oversight. OPCW leader was threatened by Bolton who intimated that his children would be assassinated if he gave the 'wrong' judgement on Iraq WMD.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2019 9:36 utc | 99

sarz #96

Thanks sarz, Reuters is quoting the New York Times as source. Therefore likely fake news on two counts. Reuters and New York Times happy to cite leaked documents and neither of those two offer any insistent support for Julian Assange. Why waste time with those sources.

What is your take on the documents?, disregarding the propaganda reports by the fakers.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2019 9:49 utc | 100

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