Here is Alex Stamos – ex-Facebook, ex-Yahoo Chief Information Security Officer, talking about the responsibilities and challenges faced by the large platforms.
Generally interesting, but he has a very DNCC view of Russiagate. This is perhaps not surprising since he says in the video that he has hired ex-NSA people on his teams.
What is really disappointing is his failure to address the possibility that there are other motives than geopolitics. What has been completely buried was that the first reports of “fake news” during the 2016 election season was not due to Russians, but due to Macedonian teenagers exploiting the economics of election year online ad spending. Here is an article talking about it.
Some excerpts:

Between August and November, Boris earned nearly $16,000 off his two pro-Trump websites. The average monthly salary in Macedonia is $371.

sourcing

At best, Boris’ English is halting and fractured—certainly not good enough to turn out five to 10 articles about Trump and Clinton every day for weeks on end. Fortunately for him, the election summoned forth the energies of countless alt-right websites in the US, which manufactured white-label falsehoods disguised as news on an industrial scale. Across the spectrum of right-wing media—from Trump’s own concise lies on Twitter to the organized prevarication of Breitbart News and NationalReport.net—ideology beat back the truth.
What Veles produced, though, was something more extreme still: an enterprise of cool, pure amorality, free not only of ideology but of any concern or feeling about the substance of the election.
These Macedonians on Facebook didn’t care if Trump won or lost the White House. They only wanted pocket money to pay for things—a car, watches, better cell phones, more drinks at the bar. This is the arrhythmic, disturbing heart of the affair: that the internet made it so simple for these young men to finance their material whims and that their actions helped deliver such momentous consequences.

Note this vs. Alex Stamos examples of Blacktivist and Army of Jesus ads.
Outright advertising fraud…

After seeing the BMW, Boris decided to start some websites of his own. He already knew there was money to be made off the internet; for a while, when he was 17, he’d been one of the many peons around the world laboring online for MicroWorkers.com, earning something like a tenth of a cent for liking a YouTube video or leaving a comment.

In Macedonia, wringing money out of web advertising is a game that long predated Trump’s bid for the presidency—and will probably outlast it as well, despite Google’s and Facebook’s postelection attempts to crack down. Mirko Ceselkoski began to play in the early 2000s. He built seven or eight websites—about muscle cars or celebrities or superyachts, all oriented toward the American reader, because an American reader is roughly three times more valuable than a non-American one. For five or six hours of daily toil, Ceselkoski says, you can earn approximately $1,000 a month.

I wonder what the Macedonian for profit spend on the 2016 election was. I’d not be surprised if it was way over the $100,000 attributed to the RIA – as a reminder, online ad spending for the 2016 election was $10 billion dollars in 2016: source

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 17 2019 16:24 utc | 4

# 3 “Entire” ? Honestly I do not imagine they are that coordinated, rather more ameba-like, always seeking. a sort of cacoethes born out according to a power-elite class dynamic equilibrium.
If we accept Director Casey’s idea, the DS accords great value to deceiving the American people, or perhaps as they see things, the nutzlose fressers (deplorables) need to be under mind-control, and they pretty much are. A larg number take psycotropic drugs as prescribed – that an TV and bad food and little to do…and presto! Looit ’em…
The German tern, by the way, was used by the German nazis as part of their rationalisations to support murdering the sick and other weaklings, naming them useless eaters. I overheard old ladies at a Wal-Mart using the term.
……….
In a related affair…the forced drugging (aka “vaccine”) of people is illegal, but Maldives (and California, etc) follow “liberalist rules and order”…not Law….anyway see
UN Praises Maldives Bill Outlawing Informed Consent for Pharmaceuticals
That too would be in the DS agenda, eh?
RT has On Contact: CIA search for mind control with Stephen Kinzer
It’s the way it goes. A real freak show.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 16:54 utc | 6

‘I couldn’t have slept with Virginia Roberts-Giuffre, I was at Pizza Express.’

Funny how the name Pizza Express combines Pizzagate and Lolita Express. (Disclaimer: I don’t believe in Pizzagate claims.) Couldn’t he choose a different place, one with a better-sounding name, as he was going to lie anyway?

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2019 17:29 utc | 8

@8 Talking of Pizza Express their Woking branch has received a flood of reviews recently…
https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g580430-d730973-Reviews-Pizza_Express-Woking_Surrey_England.html

Posted by: dh | Nov 17 2019 17:47 utc | 10

@10 Ooops wrong link…..(he said backing slowly away from the barstool)….
https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/16/pizza-express-woking-flooded-fake-reviews-prince-andrew-interview-11169085/

Posted by: dh | Nov 17 2019 17:53 utc | 12

@ : c1ue | Nov 17 2019 17:21 utc | 7
I do not dispute in re vaccines. I do object to disposing of the law of informed consent. Any injection may be labeled as a “vaccine”.
This has happened in “beta tests” (tetanus) that resulted in mass sterilization. It’s common knowledge. The tetanus was the bait…sterility the goal. It worked.
I do not believe I said chaotic or purely chaotic. (purely chaotic would be an oxymoronic term anyway, as the math fellas tell me there’s NST.)
About “vaccine” – that’s the ringer. Once you get people to force one another to accept injections on order, the liquidation of der nutzlosenvolk may begin in earnest. It’s the Old Army Game. The con.
By the way, in California one may become a licensed pharmacist without ever taking a chemistry class. Not even one. No kidding, even the pharmacist cannot know what is in that syringe.
Recently they shot up a bunch of old folks with insulin, opps! It was, they said, supposed to be the “flu vaccine”
The German nazi also “spritzed” the nutzlosen – air in the heart I believe. Injected by cops too… As I recall.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 18:25 utc | 14

If you wanna know what’s going on with Iran, read on…
There are protests in almost all cities in Iran, so far hundreds are dead, Internet is completely banned (only local websites are accessible) and IRGC and local police and militia are in the streets.
This all started with the government increasing the price of gas overnight from 1000 IRT to 3000 IRT (from ~8 US cents to ~24 US cents a liter). It sparked massive protests because A. it was announced overnight by head of 3 branches of government, and B. the populace is under immense pressure for economic hardship already.
Hundreds of gas stations have been burned and razed thus far.
So what’s really going on?
Gas prices have remained the same for the past 8 years in Iran, but inflation has increased rapidly. 1000 IRT was about 35 US cents, but went down to 6 US cent. The parliament and the executive branches which are really corrupt in Iran, and strongly connected to the UK deep-state, did not want to increase it at all, despite laws requiring them to do so.
Khamenei and his ilk were pressuring them to do so for years, to no avail. Now suddenly, they do this when the sparks of revolution in Iraq and Lebanon are rising.
This is clearly the work of Rouhani, whom is a UK puppet (the first thing he did once becoming president was ban Iran’s nuclear activities and Iran’s space program via executive order. The second was to re-open UK embassy in Tehran. He also received a fake PhD from a UK university while he was head of Iran’s security council! He also was the man in charge of Iran-Contra affair from Iran’s side. That’s why Khamenei pretty much sidelined him for all talks to Putin and Assad regarding the war in Syria, Rouhani commonly spreads anti-war propaganda in Iran). He is at the same time adhering to Khamenei’s requests, while messing up the country at a crucial time. Obviously they could do this in a step-by-step manner, but instead they chose to announce it overnight on the national TV.
It’s not the first time high-ranking foreign puppet presidents in Iran do this. exactly 20 years ago, around the same time, Khatami did something similar by ordering a secret police to attack students at University of Tehran as well as assasinate several political opponents. The country went on flames over night, and all Khatami did was blame left and right. Finally IRGC took control and Khatami had to publicly apologize, and pretty much all his cabinet was replaced afterwards.
My hope is that Rouhani’s played hand is now visible as he has been sabotaging Iran for the past 7 years to an unimaginable extent (increased debt to GDP by 120%, inflation in excess of 500%, water shortage all across the country, JCPOA and suspension of all country’s programs, etc.) and that the likes of him never get any power in Iran’s politics.

Posted by: A | Nov 17 2019 18:45 utc | 16

TEACHING BROWNSHIRTS TO KILL DEMOCRACY
The Oslo Freedom Forum and its parent organization the Human Rights Foundation are among the greatest threats to peace in the world today. When they say democracy, they mean Fascism. When they say human rights they mean mass murder and genocide.
Nazi Brownshits were non-violent
Modern followers of Gene Sharp’s non-violence, like those in the Ukraine, in Hong Kong, and in Bolivia practice non-lethal violence. This is little different form the non-violence practiced by the Nazi brownshirts of the Sturmabteilung or SA. The aim of non-lethal violence or “non-violence” as it is now called is never to kill. If someone dies, it happens by accident.
Read for yourself! The only time anyone gets killed in this Wikipedia article is when Hitler starts killing the SA leadership.

Its primary purposes were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties, especially the Red Front Fighters League (Rotfrontkämpferbund) of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews – for instance, during the 1933 Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses.

The first use of the word “killed” is two thirds down the article where the SA leaders get killed.

On June 30, 1934, Hitler, accompanied by SS units, arrived at Bad Wiessee, where he personally placed Röhm and other high-ranking SA leaders under arrest. Over the next 48 hours, 200 other senior SA officers were arrested on the way to Wiessee. Many were shot and killed as soon as they were captured, but Hitler decided to pardon Röhm because of his past services to the movement. On July 1, after much pressure from Göring and Himmler, Hitler agreed that Röhm should die. Hitler insisted that Röhm should first be allowed to commit suicide. But when Röhm refused to do so, he was killed by two SS officers, Theodor Eicke and Michael Lippert.

For comparison, the article on the Schutzstaffel or SS uses the words “killed” or “killing” 31 times:

– were used as slave labor or immediately killed.
– and others, were killed by the end of 1939.
– where they were killed in the gas chambers on arrival.
– Any Jews in the area were rounded up and killed.
– people of Asiatic descent were killed
– Victims at these new extermination camps were killed
– where victims were killed using the pesticide Zyklon B.
– SS-Hitlerjugend shot and killed twenty Canadian prisoners of war
– where 152,000 Jews were killed using gas vans.
– the rest were killed within hours of arrival.
– and killed potential partisans.
– killed more than two million people
– 33,771 Jews were killed in a single operation
– 25,000 victims from the Riga ghetto were killed.
– states that they killed 14,178 Jews, 1,001 partisans,
– actual number of Jews killed was closer to 23,700.
– not to be completely fit were killed within hours of arrival.
– too ill or injured to recover in that time frame were killed.

Another 13 uses of “killing”:

– the genocidal killing of
– institutional killing and democide of more
– involved in killing people viewed as threats to race hygiene
– The SS and Gestapo carried out most of the killings.
– The killings were committed by Einsatzgruppen
– conducting extensive killing operations in the East.
– engaged in the mass killing of the Jewish population
– alternate methods of killing should be found
– Intensification of the killing operations took place
– replace the use of Einsatzgruppen for mass killings.
– imprisoned for eleven years for his role in the killings.
– SS killings in Zboriv, 1941. A teenage boy is brought to
– supervised the killing of those deemed unfit.

Remember, the people who first came for the socialists, and then the trade unionists before the Jews were not the SS but the SA.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 17 2019 19:07 utc | 18

@ will the real philip cross stand up, LOLOL!
speaking of which snl did a skit on the impeachment hearings that was pretty funny… check it out if you haven’t..
thanks for the week b and the additional links and insights..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2019 19:28 utc | 20

the reporting on the opcw corruption was great.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 17 2019 20:01 utc | 22

American Admiral congratulates coup in Bolivia; cogitates military intervention in Venezuela
Almirante dos EUA parabeniza golpe na Bolívia e sugere que pode haver intervenção militar na Venezuela
Admireal Craig Stephen Faller told last Friday (15 Nov. 2019) that SouthCom followed closely the last developments in Bolivia and congratulated the Bolivian Armed Forces’ “professionalism” in “defending democracy” in the Latin American country. He also called other “armed forces to be professional, because I know there are officers who’ll do what’s right”.
The interview, done for Venezuelan right-wing broadcaster VPI TV, is essentially a formal threat by the Americans to Venezuela, the interviewer asked many times the admiral what were his plans to the country.

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2019 20:25 utc | 24

On the US scam which is behind the coup in Bolivia…they just can not allow those social economic indicators Morales´government was showing in just a decade…
https://twitter.com/gabriel_zucman/status/1195860427835502596
As a proof, if more was needed, of that the Trump presidency only benefits a tiny minority of those who have beem making six ciphers income and now live on rents…like those mean people way overpayed for their “intelligence” work at SST

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 20:49 utc | 26

Interview with Tsemakh. He was released
because they knew he was innocent and would expose all their phony allegations
as lies and fake, fabricated “reality”. In a previous thread flankerbandit
revealed that mh17 was diverted from its flight plan. My understanding is that the
flight plan itself was a diversion from mh17’s usual flight plan that it was following
in the days before the sept. 17 atrocity. That flight plan took mh17 200 miles south
and avoided the conflict zone altogether. So there is evidence of much more extensive
involvement in putting mh17 into the danger zone than just the ukrainian flight controllers.

Posted by: e | Nov 17 2019 20:59 utc | 28

@ said Realist | Nov 17 2019 20:43 utc | 25
“That’s why they say one should never eavesdrop: those that do it are unlikely to hear any good of themselves.”
Please explain how this makes sense in context. It would seem to apply to you yourself as well as any, Dear Friend.
I am so glad to know.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 17 2019 21:19 utc | 30

Did I read the word “vaccine” here in the open thread?
*rubs hands together*
On the topic and pertaining to C1ue’s comment @7, I will just post this reference graph detailing the fall of disease mortality to negligible amounts (“common-childhood disease” territory) far before the advent of modern vaccines and thanks large in part to the wonder of modern sanitation, diet, and hygiene.
How this graph is refuted by the pro-mandatory vaccine shills on the interweb is to point to the fact that this graph and its data represent mortality, not cases of measles, for example.
However, when we are talking about compulsory mass-vaccination movement, it is never pointed out that mortality is the single greatest method of instilling fear and thus submission into the public. Mortality is thus a very important statistic for measuring the ravages of disease.
In turn we can surmise then fairly that if mortality was taken to negligible amounts through the advent of the understanding as to what makes disease flourish in modern society and eliminating these conditions NATURALLY, then the question of forced mass-vaccination onto an uninformed public should be a relevant one to pose.
What Walter mentions above is also of utmost importance. For instance, the MMR, itself, can cause encephalitis if one were to consult the label. Its rate of this is nearly comparable to the cases of encephalitis caused by wild measles itself. And yet all we ever hear about measles is that it can kill you and cause encephalitis.
As measles is the only western disease of import currently with regard to the theory of “herd-immunity” and mandatory vaccinations, I’m quite sure the above information would be enough for any smart person to ponder whether forced, medical-intervention (which carries risk, naturally) is really worth it at all, when natural immunity for contracting disease has proven benefits, longer post-immunity rates, and does not suppress symptoms which is necessary to be able to identify and remove the infected host from contact with immunocompromised people. The whooping cough vaccine, for instance, suppresses symptoms allowing for a more dangerous situation when the infected are exposed to others.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 17 2019 21:34 utc | 32

Concern for human rights was a controversial policy initiative introduced during Carter’s presidency. Militarist and imperialist factions in US were vocally opposed at the time. They were unable to foresee how concern for human rights would over time become the essential stick by which to pursue militarist and imperialist polices worldwide.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 17 2019 21:48 utc | 34

Jon_in_AU @33
Right on. Agree on all points. We in Australia are currently living under the most craven, self-serving con artists ever to occupy Canberra. The ALP opposition is in disarray—after having depoliticized the working-class with cheap credit they now wonder who their electoral base is. Absolutely no historical sense whatsoever. Meanwhile the Coalition run this country like its the mid-19th century—that is, as a handful of colonial outposts on the east coast whose job is solely to support periodic Congo-like expeditions into the interior to pillage resources. The treatment of the indigenous population continues to be utterly shameful, but in line with this pioneer mentality which is happy to shoot them if they get in the way of stealing every resource that isn’t nailed down. The bush burns, there’s no water and rural towns are dying, but the property bubble in Sydney shows no sign of deflating, mainly because it’s propped up by the entire apparatus of government and the RBA. We have no foreign policy (no one even reported the Bougainville independence referendum) and a PM who, on his recent US visit, could barely get off his knees when Trump was in the room. Australia is run by banks, real-estate and mining companies; what could have been a great nation, the Scandanavia of the Asia-Pacific, is a banana republic, full of pampered bogans who would crumble and head for the hills at the first sign of a real struggle. Don’t get me started on Australia—I love it, but this decline and looting of what was once a great social democratic experiment breaks my heart…
And, yes, the hypocrisy on Xinjiang is staggering, not least from the Islamic heartland (KSA, Pakistan, etc) who are quite happy to let Islam be called a ‘virus’ by China in exchange for their investments. What, hypocrisy in foreign relations? No!

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2019 22:04 utc | 36

Jen@35
Thanks for the additional information.
Your posts are always informative (as are many other regulars here).
Cheers

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 17 2019 22:05 utc | 38

Addendum to my vaccination post:
In the interest of fairness, here is an article from Veterans Today that takes Dr. Suzanne Humphries to task for er anti-vaccine book, Dissolving Illusions, which is fantastic BTW.
Of particular note, I want the reader to look at the article there and notice two conflicting things in the author’s work.
First, notice the graph near the top of the story which shows incidences of measles in the U.S. You can see that measles cases were trending downward for sometime and then, with the advent of the first measles vaccine in 1963, that number starts to plummet. Remember this. For this graph, the author is attempting to show that incidences of measles was declining to quite negligible numbers as a result of the 1963 vaccine.
Now, if we take that information and proceed to the author’s “Claim #3” down the article, we notice that in the first paragraph, he acknowledges that the first iteration of the vaccine in 1963 was entirely ineffective and was promptly replaced by the attenuated, live-vaccine in 1968. But by that time, case numbers of measles were in freefall and, by the author’s admission, this was not the result of the vaccine, and yet he claims this above that the vaccine was able to “eliminate 90% of measles cases in a matter of years.”
If you are following the logic here, you will note that that claim is garbage and can not be proven. You could just as easily say that by the time an effective measles vaccine was in place in 1968, measles cases were already in freefall and so it would be then impossible to say for sure if the vaccine had indeed cause the decrease in disease incidence or if, in a much more likely situation, disease reduction had already reached a milestone in eradication through the advent of public sanitation and hygiene that allowed ever decreasing incidences at quicker and quicker rates.
You see…there is no getting around the fact that you can not say for sure that vaccines have been the most important invention of modern medicine in the last centuries. On the contrary, you can say for sure, even though most do not admit, that sanitation and hygiene in the west, has allowed the greatest reduction of disease in modern times and this is shown quite easily in graphs, even in the ones that the opposition uses to shoot themselves in the foot.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 17 2019 22:08 utc | 40

The United States government has just published a statement giving its support to the protests against the government of Iran and condemning the use of lethal force against protesters.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196163024278753280
So far we have not heard about dead victims in Iran.
On the contrary, there have been 27 dead victims in Bolivia and hudnreds of injured, which the US government has not condemned at all….but keeos encouraging through its direction and support of the coupist junta…

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:16 utc | 42

It seems that there would have been several arrests. In Hong Kong it is now 5:55 in the morning.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196185083960594432
Initial reports that the police would have launched an assault on the positions of the protesters at the Polytechnic University.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196184619797897217
Protesters who are surrounded by riot police at the Polytechnic University have issued an SOS to encourage more protests and thus divide the surrounding police.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196152771591974922
Map of the Polytechnic University of Hong Kong, the red crosses show the deployment of the police.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196156291091222528
The Hong Kong Police warns protesters at the Polytechnic University that they could make use of real ammunition if they still have to face lethal weaponry such as bows, incendiary arrows and gasoline pumps.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196106017190404096
Clashes between police and protesters in the vicinity of the Polytechnic University of Hong Kong.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196096085002981381
Protesters set fire to a bridge connecting the University of Hong Kong with the Hung Jong subway station. In the clashes a policeman has been injured by an arrow.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1196077907803824133
In the Hong Kong protests of these days the use of bows with incendiary arrows has also been seen.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1194757896246059008
Protesters beat and burn the truck of a man who stopped to argue with them about the road block.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1195265731220430849
Moment in which the 70-year-old man is hit in the head by a brick. Apparently there was a fight between protesters and residents who wanted to clean the road.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1195280447149871104
The 70-year-old man declared dead in brain death after being struck by a stone thrown by protesters.
https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1195026574896185344

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:37 utc | 44

The Garrison of the People’s Liberation Army of Hong Kong has been deployed in the streets to clear the barricades of the protests. This is the first time they have been deployed since the demonstrations began.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1195687111229399041

The Hong Kong Government has reported that they did not request the deployment of the People’s Liberation Army, necessary under the Basic Law. These declare that the deployment was by volunteers on a personal basis.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1195725822080012289

Moment when they return to the barracks. The stated objective was to help residents clean the streets.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1195726279129075718

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 22:50 utc | 46

What may have possibly caused the volunteering of the PLA is this:

Brave #HongKongProtesters stand up for “Democracy and Freedom” by fire bombing unarmed #HongKong civilians trying to clean up street blocks outside their home. #HongKongProtests

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1195842360862597120

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 23:06 utc | 48

I wonder where all these construction materials in such ammount are coming from….How do them arrive to the riotters…It has to come by truck since those are heavy materials…It would be good to track the route of all these materials and expose it to the world…
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1195494766357577728

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 17 2019 23:18 utc | 50

@ Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2019 22:04 utc | 36
The debate you’re having with PeterAU is immaterial because the Chinese Government has already extraofficially denied the NYT’s interpretation of the “leaked document”:
Western media report on Xinjiang lacks morality
Besides, in the middle of the article of the NYT itself, it is revealed Xi Jinping expressely told his subordinates he was against the crackdown. One more case of “click bait”.
But the NYT’s article is most likely fake news (not the documents, the interpretation of the documents) for one simple reason: the article itself claims “more than 400 pages”. They are all in Chinese. The problem here is that the article is from November 16, 2019, and the article doesn’t mention WHEN they were leaked (or if they leaked at the same time). If this was a truly investigative piece of journalism, then we should have a detailed timeline of the documents by leak date and under what circumstances they were leaked. Since it appears they are all in pdf format, we can assume hacking or whistleblowing. If that’s the case, then we can assume they were all more or less leaked at the same time.
If they all came more or less at the same time, then why didn’t the NYT tells us the date they came to their hands? My assumption is that they came either November 15 or November 16, 2019, i.e. the exact date or the day before the publication of the article.
That would mean the NYT didn’t even bother to translate all those pages (403 total) to English. They probably sent their Chinese translators to read it with the journalist who signed the page (or the journalist knows Chinese, it doesn’t matter for my hypothesis) and, through this dynamic and acritical reading, they kept and translated just the excerpts they thought fit their preconception (of what they wanted to publish) plus the excerpts by Xi Jinping (in order to give credibility).
If that was the case, then the NYT simply quoted some excerpts of the documents in order to build a false narrative, i.e. they created a piece of fake news with legitimate documents. And I believe that was the case: in the NYT page itself, there are no images of the translated documents, just the Chinese originals (what is the NYT readership going to do with them if they are not mirrored with the translated versions? Are they simply going to believe the newspapers’ translation?), and no specified date of the leak. Indeed, that’s exactly the accusation the Global Times makes in the link I put above.

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2019 23:57 utc | 52

@13 Funny stuff! Cant wait for Craig Murray to jump on the opportunity to join us..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 18 2019 0:07 utc | 54

psychohistorian @29 wrote “The Trump backed governor candidate in Louisiana lost by 20 points yesterday”
That is incorrect. The margin was about 2%.

Posted by: Don Wills | Nov 18 2019 0:07 utc | 56

Hubrisiscalling: thanks for making my point.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 18 2019 0:24 utc | 58

Anecdotally, there is a great deal to be said about the effects of living in the West with indoor plumbing, overuse of antibiotics, etc. Scientists believe that an environment that is significantly more dirty than the West for example, offers “priming” events that benefit the immune system and which leaves the West, with its hypercleanliness at a disadvantage.
I know, I know. Tell that to third worlders that toil in rubbish heaps and whose homes lack indoor plumbing, clean water, etc.
However, as someone that suffers from a very 1st world disease, Crohn’s, I have often wondered my condition as it relates to my vaccine history and my hyper-clean environment that offered no “priming” events as it does for third worlders.
A lesson can be gleaned from all this, between 1st and 3rd worlds. Good health and the human immune system is still a giant mystery to scientists. Talk to any immunologist. We know jack
As a result, I am left to speculate as to how my Crohn’s came to being and whether vaccines played a part or our sterile environment or what have you.
You might begin to see why I am very reticent to inject my daughter with vaccines that are the only modern medicine not mandated for the gold-standard double-blind placebo test.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 18 2019 0:43 utc | 60

I always get a laugh out of that picture of the fake “chlorine bomb.” What kind of idiots would believe a simple propane-style low pressure gas cylinder could punch a hole through steel reinforced concrete and then gently lay itself down on the bed without even a dent? And the cylinder has fins attached, so how would it fall sideways in the first place to make that kind of hole?
The fact that there is any debate at all over the whole nonsensical “chlorine attack” farce is a good illustration of the human qualities that PT Barnum exploited to make his $millions.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 18 2019 0:48 utc | 62

@ b’s highlighting “A detailed timeline of Brennan’s shenanigans.
The Brennan Dossier: All About a Prime Mover of Russiagate – ” Confirmed: Dems switched from “quid pro quo” to “bribery” because a focus group told them it was better – HotAir
Recall:
DOJ Upgrades Russia-Origins Probe to Criminal Investigation
Link

[.]”It is unclear when the initial inquiry turned into a criminal investigation. When attorney general William P. Barr first appointed John Durham in May to lead the review, the only actions in scope for the Connecticut U.S. attorney were to voluntarily question people and to peruse government files. Durham now has the power to subpoena witness testimonies and documents, to convene a grand jury, and to file criminal charges.[.]

Where there is more than a little smoke, Brennan may be a dead man walking and suited up with lawyers.
Here is AG Bar on Friday and I bet he is not just reading tea leaves.
LINK
Barr defends Trump’s use of executive authority, slams impeachment hearings

[.]While Barr never specifically mentioned impeachment, he took the president’s critics to task for what he said was an effort to undermine Trump.
“Immediately after President Trump won election, opponents inaugurated what they called ‘The Resistance,’ and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver available to sabotage the functioning of his Administration,” he said. “They essentially see themselves as engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government.”[.]

Hmmmmm. Brennan may just be birthing a baby elephant and not a donkey.

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 18 2019 1:07 utc | 64

Sasha | Nov 18 2019 0:44 utc | 61:
Five finger discount = theft, shoplifting, etc…

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 18 2019 1:12 utc | 66

Sasha @ 50:
The construction materials could be coming to the students in diplomatic bags (which can actually be as big as shipping containers) straight from the international airport.
Read this and try not to laugh:

… [One] example — the hon. Member for Birmingham, Ladywood (Ms. Short) may agree that it supports the case that I made a few moments ago—is that of a diplomatic trunk belonging to the Egyptian embassy in Rome. The trunk was found by the Italian police to be giving off what was described as a muffled thumping from inside. They did not hesitate. They required the bag to be opened and found that the trunk, lined with leather and fitted with a chair and clamps for ankles and the head, was well worn, as well it might have been, because it also contained Mordecai ben Masuud Louk, an Israeli on his way, gagged and drugged, to Cairo. It was obvious that that diplomatic bag had been used for this purpose on previous occasions.
I shall give one final example. The bags being carried by Mr. Manlio Blais, a courier for the Italian embassy in Paris, proved at the airport to be too heavy for the porters to lift. That was not surprising, because when opened it was found to contain 2,000 watches …

I am all for the students barricading themselves in their universities along with the lecturers, tutors and other staff who support them. Maybe the PLA could kindly send them rolls of barbed wire to help construct their fences, and excavators to help dig the moats around the university premises. Once the universities are secure from the HK police, all that is needed is for the HK government to classify the universities as mental asylums.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 18 2019 1:24 utc | 68

I feel sorry for the Bolivians
in one of the shittiest of shithole countries
which comes off second best in all conflicts with its shithole neighbours
they are looked down on by almost all of south america.
Morales at least let native Bolivians stand tall in their own country, but his government seemed to collapse so easily.
It will take generations of blood to turn the political compass back now.
In hindsight a pre-emptive lopping of capitalists and western influence would have been prudent even though it would be reducing to the level of the fascists, yet the minute the opposition grabbed the reins they have not been so squeamish.
I hope they don’t experience a wave of lithium toxicity but their new masters will not likely be considerate. What are the side-effects? I think dialysis is largely dominated by western technology.
Those unaffected may be pressured to be kidney donors.
Bolivia’s shithole status will now be cemented as lithium miners and kidney donors for the west.

Posted by: ziogolem | Nov 18 2019 1:40 utc | 70

Over on the OPCW thread there is a “discussion” about what the UN is and I went looking for both a comment I made here in, I believe, 2015 and the link included in that comment to a picture of a Ukraine representative/ambassador kissing the ring/hand of Samantha Power and have not gotten anywhere.
The point I was going to make is my opinion that the UN is the High Court of Western Empire and nothing more.
Since I can’t find that picture which was part of an article about Ukraine and the perfidy of the UN at the time I can only express dismay about the decline of search engines or there turning into political tools….any help on this from fellow barflys would be appreciated

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 2:17 utc | 72

Sasha @ 47

The People’s Liberation Army is seen clearing barricades outside Baptist University.

Nah, that needs editing.

The People’s Liberation Army is seen clearing barricades outside their barracks.

Look up Renfrew Road in Kowloon, Hong Kong in Google Maps. On one side it’s the PLA barracks, on the other it’s the Baptist University.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 18 2019 2:53 utc | 74

Thanks to Ian2 in comment # 75
Yeah I saw that also but there were others and what does it say that the picture has ben removed from the Duran posting….
Yeah, anybody kissing the hand of despicable Hillary “We came, we saw, he died” Clinton makes me sick.
Onto another wish is my thought that it would be good for there to be another Occupy Wall Street movement to offset what is being staged in Hong Kong and now managed by the mainland forces……SIGH Maybe if the private banks “crash” like is being forestalled by the Fed since September the US will see another wave of protests.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 3:25 utc | 76

#72
Maybe you meant this picture?
“Unbelievably Pathetic Groveling of Kiev’s Klimkin to Samantha Power at UN”
https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/unbelievably-pathetic-groveling-kievs-klimkin-samantha-power-un/ri10572

Posted by: k | Nov 18 2019 4:15 utc | 78

@ bevin with comment # 77 and the link to the comprehensive article about how profit has compromised health care in America.
I can speak from personal experience that he is writing the truth. I was on narcotics for 3 1/2 years after getting sideswiped by a SUV/truck riding my bicycle in 2006. I credit myself for the healing path outside the US health care system that now has me off all drugs for almost 4 months and almost symptom free…I am starting articular acupuncture therapy for my vagus nerve this next week that should deal with the residual of my symptoms.
For pain there are alternatives like photobiomodulation units that I now use and cost as little as $40…mine costs $175 (Medlight 630 PRO) and I have two of them just in case so I don’t have to go back on drugs for pain management.
The mental health field is focused on a drug/talk paradigm that pales in comparison to the effectiveness of neuromodulation/talk therapies that already have a history you don’t read about for HEAL ING epilepsy, ADD/ADHD, autism, OCD, depression, anxiety, PTSD, migraines, addictions and my TBI (traumatic brain injury) from taking the side mirror OFF that SUV/truck moving at highway speed in 2006.
Science has already proven the short-sided approach of drugs by showing that a type of Glia called an astrocyte sets up (the bio-chemical stake-in-the-ground that started Big Pharma in 1951 doesn’t happen if the astrocyte does not set it up )and clears out the neuronal synaptic cleft that the drug industry keeps forcing chemicals into. We are very much bio-electric and the epiphenomena of wave forms our body starts making from early in our mothers womb are amazing indicators of our mental health. And these wave forms can be trained to reduce or eliminate all the symptoms/maladies listed above.
Enough….The outline of my presentation about these things are at my web site of my moniker sufficed with /neuromodulation
Humanity needs to take profit out of the provision of health care!!!!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 4:41 utc | 80

@ k with comment # 78 and link to the article/picture I was looking for….THANKS!
I apologize to all for my unedited rant about Western health care and my successful healing path in spite of its failures. It is on my list to pull all the learning I have experienced in my process together better but I am not quite where I want to be yet and have lost 13+ years of my life and have other living challenges and priorities……like forwarding public finance which is at the root of most Western societal ills, like health care, IMO.
Feel free to contact me if you have questions about the neuromodulation/neurofeedback therapies that worked for me, an old fart…..different neuromodulation therapies reportedly work for kids and take less time/effort….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2019 5:01 utc | 82

Sorry, my link didn’t transfer properly – I will try again.
speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-delivers-19th-annual-barbara-k-olson-memorial-l

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2019 5:12 utc | 84

Apologies, likkelmore @ 64 – I see you have posted a piece from the Hill which also links to the address given by Barr – but is I think extremely defamatory in nature. Better I think to read the original than
to take the Hill’s word on what AG Barr was saying.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2019 5:24 utc | 86

Nemesiscalling
The genetic disposition or make up does react to environmental factors, but I am not sure that it is a difference between first world and third world environments.
I have ankylosing spondylitis, somewhat mild but pelvis and lower back fused and changes to my upper back. I suspect I also have mild crohn’s. I never catch the coughs, colds and gut bugs that go around. A bit of a f..cked up immune system.
I used to take anti inflammatories for my back, now I take them for my gut.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2019 6:00 utc | 88

@81 Ben
I am all for heaping on Monsanto as much as the next guy…lol.
However, IBD has been around a lot longer than GMOs.
I do believe it damages the gut system, however. We stay away or minimize our processed food and gmo intake.
On the other hand, RoundUp is a fabulous product for ornamental landscape care. Even reverting fields back to native meadows for pollinators requires ground clearers like glyphosate for native restoration.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18 2019 6:18 utc | 90

@Petri Krohn #18: Members of Ukrainian organization Freikorps march in Kharkov in October 2019: photo. Note the Wolfsangel symbol on the flags.

Posted by: S | Nov 18 2019 7:12 utc | 92

Saker has a goodie on impeachment fiasco.
It all started with a tweet. Do read the comments.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2019 7:54 utc | 94

Bernhard, wish you would take a look at this Reuters report about leaked papers showing Xi calling in 2014 for “showing absolutely no mercy” in Xinjiang, in light of a stabbing spree in which 31 people were killed.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-xinjiang/leaked-chinese-government-documents-show-details-of-xinjiang-clampdown-nyt-idUKKBN1XR04S

Posted by: sarz | Nov 18 2019 8:43 utc | 96

Evgeny Lebedev: Britain has been infiltrated by an ugly strain of Russia phobia
All my life I have been asked by fellow Russians whether I feel like an outsider in the UK, where I am a citizen and where have lived since I was eight years old.
The answer, until very recently, has been No. Yet I have been forced to rethink this, as an ugly strain of Russophobia has infiltrated Britain.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7693425/EVGENY-LEBEDEV-Britain-infiltrated-ugly-strain-Russia-phobia.html

Posted by: Mao | Nov 18 2019 9:22 utc | 98

sarz #96
Thanks sarz, Reuters is quoting the New York Times as source. Therefore likely fake news on two counts. Reuters and New York Times happy to cite leaked documents and neither of those two offer any insistent support for Julian Assange. Why waste time with those sources.
What is your take on the documents?, disregarding the propaganda reports by the fakers.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2019 9:49 utc | 100