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November 10, 2019

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2019-66

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

There are other government funded organization in Britain which, like the Integrity Initiative, write and tweet against the leader of the opposition: Home Office-backed counter-extremism group waging Twitter campaign against Corbyn - Middle East Eye

I am amazed how the Impeachment Circus and the mainstream media continue to ignore the facts of this story:

Joe Biden has been a favorite target for Trump-allied lawmakers. Many have adopted Trump’s unsubstantiated assertion that Biden pushed for the ouster of a Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, because he was investigating Burisma.

Other people get it:
Why the Only Thing Democrats Will Succeed in Impeaching Is Their Own Integrity Daniel Lazzare, Strategic Culture
Why Is Christopher Steele Still a Thing? - Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone
The “Deep State” Is a Political Party - Jefferson Morley, New Republic

The CIA is emerging as a domestic political party.
...
Brennan put a friendly finger on my chest. “The CIA is not involved in domestic politics,” he said. “Period. That’s on the record.”

This he asserted confidently, at an event where he had just spoken about about influence campaigns on swing voters and implied that Hillary Clinton might be right in calling U.S. Representative Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset. Even seasoned analysts, it seems, have their blind spots.

Motivation to impeach Trump is about control of Democratic Party - Rick Salutin, The Star

What shifted [House Speaker Nancy Pelosi] now? I’d say the answer is: this impeachment isn’t directed at Trump at all, it’s about undermining the rising left-wing opposition in the Democratic party. They are plausibly on the verge of seizing the party agenda away from the neo-liberal consensus of the Clinton-Obama decades — with issues like universal public health-care and equitable taxes. They’ve even found ways to fund campaigns without bowing to the corporate gods.

Related:
Pentagon Claims US Authority to Shoot Any Syrian Govt Official Who Tries to Take Control of Syrian Oil - Common Dreams

A day after we wrote the above Iran shot down a low flying drone that had penetrated its air space. CentCom made a statement that practically said "It was the CIA's drone, not ours."
This will only intensify U.S. 'regime change' efforts: Iran announces discovery of massive oil field

Iran has discovered a massive new oil field, President Hassan Rouhani said Sunday, a find that would boost its proven reserves by about a third in a rare piece of "good news" for an economy battered by US sanctions.

The police are quite brutally clearing the major protest sites. On Monday Prime Minister Abdul Mahdi will announce some additional reforms.
Iraq factions reach deal to save government, 'end protests'; PM urges return to normal life - Strait Times
Iraq’s feel-good ‘revolution’ - Asia Times

Other issues:

Potential new conflict areas:
Jordan to retake lands leased by Israel in 1994 peace accord

Jordan’s king announced Sunday that two pieces of land leased by Israel would be returned to the “full sovereignty” of Jordan as the two countries marked a chilly 25th anniversary of their landmark peace agreement.

Israel has controlled the agricultural lands for over 70 years and had been permitted to lease the areas under the 1994 peace agreement, with the assumption that the arrangement would be extended once again.

Benin President Orders Economic Decolonization From France
France still controls the foreign currency reserves of its former colonies in Africa. But the Françafrique and the Franc zone are coming to an end. The French will not like this and may well intervene, as they did in Libya.

When people in South America rage against rightwing governments the media ignores them or lies about it.
Chilean Protests: A Revolt against Neoliberalism the Media Refuses to Acknowledge - Alan Macleod, Mintpress
When the U.S. collaborates with rightwing extremists to launch coups against elected presidents U.S. media applaud.
US Plotting New Coup d’etat to Oust Bolivian President Evo Morales -21 Century Wire
No Evidence That Bolivian Election Results Were Affected by Irregularities or Fraud, Statistical Analysis Shows - CEPR
Evo Morales just announced new elections which he is likely to win.

737 MAX:
After Lion Air crash, Boeing doubled down on faulty 737 MAX assumptions - Dominic Gates, Seattle Times
The piece includes a link to a Boeing presentation from March 1, MCAS Development and Certification Overview, which has a few new details and includes several whoppers.

Use as open thread ...

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I agree with Mr. Salutin, the impeachment is not about impeachment, although if impeachment results, I'm sure they will take it. And I agree it's about protecting the current Democratic Part "elites", both from scandal (Joe Biden, Clinton) and from the challenge on the left. A risky and desperate move. I tend to think it was Trump going after the Ukraine cesspit that precipitated the impeachment, but other motives seem relevant. I have thought since Obama went all in with Russiagate that the current Dem leadership does not feel it can afford to relinquish control.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 10 2019 15:41 utc | 1

@ "ince Obama went all in with Russiagate that the current Dem leadership does not feel it can afford to relinquish control."

How about that...geewhiz, one does speculate as to what crimes they fear might become known and public?

Everybody Knows...Brother Leonard Cohen... this they fear.

It's a mighty force. To the mat.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2019 15:54 utc | 2

Colombia Reports: Colombia’s President Ivan Duque on Saturday said promoters of an anti-government national strike set for November 21 seek to “ignite the country” and are “calling for violence.” The president made the claims less than two weeks before a national strike that was originally organized by labor unions, but has since received the support of students and indigenous organizations.
El Salvador Perspectives: On Friday November 1, the trial for the massacre of children, the elderly and others in El Mozote and surrounding communities took a new turn. For the first time, two soldiers who were part of the troops present in El Mozote during the massacre testified. The soldiers, who were cooperating with prosecutors, took the witness stand with their faces hidden and their voices disguised. They testified against their superior officers and against the high military command who had sent their unit to do its bloody work in rural El Salvador in December 1981.
Mercopress: Brazil's icon Lula da Silva walked free from jail on Friday after a year and a half behind bars for corruption following a court ruling that could release thousands of convicts.

Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 10 2019 15:59 utc | 3

Political parties are nothing more than gangs. To me, the Dems are like the Gambinos and the Repoops are like the Genovese. And they hate it when someone from outside their domain comes and disrupt their racket, when things are going smooth. To me Trump is like the mobster Joe Gallo, killed at Umberto’s clam house in NYC. Gallo was a big shot, talked loud and fast, and wanted to start his own racket. And the other crime families would not let him do that. So they whacked him. The same thing both Dems and Repoops are trying to do with Trump. And yes Repoops don’t like Trump, as in the latest from Drudge, that the Repoops are split when it comes to impeachment.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Nov 10 2019 16:59 utc | 4

Here's an interesting article on the entire 737 line - to wit: the 737 is a 1960s era commuter plane that has been pushed and extended into ever larger/longer roles - ones it is simply not designed for.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: the 737s convey the single worst experience I have ever had on airplanes in my 1.5 million miles in the air - with the single exception of a 3+ decade old Chinese 727 I was unlucky enough to be on (and lucky enough to land safely in), in 1984.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 10 2019 17:13 utc | 5

The latest detailed summary on 737 MAX certification shortcuts.
It is no wonder, after reading this, why Southwest is publicly reconsidering its standardization on the 737.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 10 2019 17:19 utc | 6

A naval officer will first and foremost be obedient. Forget the hell about being the soul of tact or possessing the nicest sense of personal honor. Thus, from a cohort of equally adept contemporary underachievers, the Navy's admiralty loosed Michelle Howard, Sean Buck and, lately, Admiral Bill "pillage and" Byrne on the world, particularly the sovereign Syrian officials.

Posted by: Rich | Nov 10 2019 17:21 utc | 7

The CONCORD MANAGEMENT & CONSULTING LLC (Internet Research Agency) trial is getting weird. This (one page) Order, dated October 25, was filed on November 8:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.193580/gov.uscourts.dcd.193580.239.0_1.pdf

The main page for the trial is here:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6386795/united-states-v-internet-research-agency-llc/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Posted by: Keith McClary | Nov 10 2019 17:23 utc | 8

thanks for the week of insights b!

for something different 24 minute youtube with victor wooten talking and playing his bass...

Victor Wooten 2016 Commencement Speaker for the University of Vermont Rubenstein School

Posted by: james | Nov 10 2019 17:52 utc | 9

Biden / Ukraine: Others begin to get it: 'Further scratches become visible on the picture of the Bidens in the Ukraine affair' (original in German: 'Am Bild der Bidens in der Ukraine-Affäre werden weitere Kratzer sichtbar' nzz 9.11.19, nzz.ch/international/ukraine-affaere-rolle-der-biden-familie-undurchsichtig-ld.1520759)

Posted by: pnyx | Nov 10 2019 17:58 utc | 10

I imagine Unz article "The Birth of Eurasia" (Godfree Roberts)
says worthwhile things, though sad for me.

It speaks of the way things go for Eurasia, but what is not within the scope of the article, but is implied, is how things will go in America.

Perhaps that's another article, I hope Roberts writes it. I suppose we'll find out for ourselves in the fullness of time.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2019 18:21 utc | 11

Apropòs the articles about the 'deep state' meddling in US domestic politics, here's an oldie but a goodie from the World Socialist Web Site: The CIA Democrats.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Nov 10 2019 18:23 utc | 12

Craig Murray has an exclusive interview with Randy Credico he prefaces with these remarks:

"The Mueller investigation has thus ultimately ended up prosecuting people for telling the same pack of lies that Mueller himself was pushing. The Clinton media, including CNN, the Washington Post and New York Times, are baffled by this. They follow the Stone trial assiduously from delight in seeing a long term Trump hanger-on brought down, and in the hope something will come out about Wikileaks or Russia. Their reporting, as that of the BBC, has been deliberately vague on why Stone is being charged, contriving to leave their audience with the impression that Stone’s trial proves Trump connections to Wikileaks and Russia, when in fact it proves the precise opposite. A fact you will never learn from the mainstream media. Which is why I am doing this at 2am on a very cold Edinburgh night, for the small but vital audience which is interested in the truth."

That would include MoA barflies since we crave Truth. Murray has a bit more to say prior to the excerpt I provide, which I suggest be read, too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2019 18:24 utc | 13

Few reports of the attempt by Jeff Bezos to buy Seattle's City Council via the recent election were posted here, but the results are now in and Bezos's effort failed in the words of journalist Kevin Gosztola:

"What is clear is this movement for working people in Seattle that @cmkshama & others have built is stronger than Amazon. Jeff Bezos can’t buy Seattle City Council to get his way. The people of Seattle won’t go for that, and now this City Council is more progressive than ever."

IMO, in the overall scheme of internal Outlaw US Empire politics, this is big news, and is the sort of news BigLie Media does its utmost to suppress lest US citizens get ideas about self-government via a different type of politics. I should note that the self declared voice of the Progressive Community Common Dreams.org had nothing to say about this important contest and its outcome just like its kin BigLie Media.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2019 18:40 utc | 14

Meanwhile, in the pulsing heart of Western Democracy:

Baja participación en las elecciones generales en España

Very low participation rates. You can be elected to the highest Executive office in a Western Democracy with 12% of the vote nowadays (Shinzo Abe, latest elections).

The Vital Center keeps degenerating.

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 18:57 utc | 15

Rouhani announces Iranian discovery of a new oil field in Khuzestan province:

"Iran has discovered a new oil field containing 53 billion barrels of crude, President Hassan Rouhani said Sunday, a find that would increase Iran's proven reserves by over a third." [My Emphasis]

The puny amounts of oil the Outlaw US Empire's sitting on in Eastern Syria no longer matter as in the overall scheme of things there's more than enough energy supplies to power Syria's reconstruction and further development.

In other important news, from Iran: A Iranian/Russian ceremony inaugurated the starting of

"The construction of the second stage of the Bushehr nuclear power plant jointly with Russia."

Something the Outlaw US Empire has yet to do is accuse Russia of aiding Iran with making a nuclear weapon, which one would think it would do given the designed Russophobia. Why this obvious ploy hasn't been used ought to be easily seen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2019 19:06 utc | 16

I’d say the answer is: this impeachment isn’t directed at Trump at all, it’s about undermining the rising left-wing opposition in the Democratic party

Absolutely. Voters nowaday see the elites and the anti-elites (or the anti-populists vs the populists - same thing).
It is Bernie and Trump vs Peloisi and the GOP.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Nov 10 2019 19:08 utc | 17

What a feast of links! I've only just started, with b's Daniel Lazare piece at Stretegic Culture.org - well done!

"...This is what impeachment is about, not high crimes and misdemeanors, but who lost the Ukraine – plus Syria, Libya, Yemen, and other countries that the Obama administration succeeded in destroying – and why Trump should pay the supreme penalty for suggesting that Democrats are in any way to blame..."

Of course, it stretches back to both parties, but that's what it is about - not high crimes and misdemeanors,
but who lost the Ukraine - plus S, L, Y, and above all I & A!!! Gosh, we might get the entire alphabet included; ahoy all boats!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 10 2019 19:13 utc | 18

Impeachment is about controlling where the attention is focused. When things get to close to home Pelosi says look over here at the orange head, look over there at the border but whatever you do, do not look over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1KfU5ifhqE “>here.

Posted by: chop stick | Nov 10 2019 19:17 utc | 19

Former Soviet Leader Mikhail Gorbachev Reveals Who Was Responsible for Country's Collapse

I understand some worries he had over the existing system, but goddamn Gorbachev is an intellectual midget!

But maybe he's a sign of Soviet imbecilization. Maybe the USSR's degeneration was indeed inevitable.

I just weep for the world's socialists, who had to pay for the end of bipolarity.

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 19:38 utc | 20

https://www.rt.com/news/468500-netanyahu-vows-annex-jordan-valley/ 10 September
"The annexation of the Jordan Valley will be Netanyahu’s first step if elected next week, the Prime Minister said, with further land claims to come after the publication of US President Donald Trump’s long-awaited Israel-Palestine peace plan. Netanyahu called the plan a “historic opportunity” to negotiate the future of the region with Trump."

And this in a Rueters report on the ending of the lease..
"Jordan is one of only two Arab states that has a peace accord with Israel, and the neighbors have a long history of close security ties. But the treaty is unpopular in Jordan where pro-Palestinian sentiment is widespread."

With a bit of luck, Israeli arrogance will push Jordan into the resistance camp. It will be some time before US is pushed out of Syria and Iraq, but Israel making a Jordan land grab would help speed that up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 10 2019 19:49 utc | 21

""Benin President Orders Economic Decolonization From France
France still controls the foreign currency reserves of its former colonies in Africa. But the Françafrique and the Franc zone are coming to an end. The French will not like this and may, as they did in Libya, well intervene.""

Ndongo Samba Sylla, an economist from Senegal, has an insightful discussion on this issue.  Also China seems to think it may be time to trade with Africa without going through the USD.  (He has written a book  'The Invisible Army' which is currently in French with plans for an English translation in about a year')

Economist Randy Wray had this to say on this discussion:

Fortunately, I finished in time to attend the evening’s special panel featuring Ndongo Samba Sylla on “Money, Imperialism, and Development”, with our own Fadhel Kaboub as the discussant. This one-two punch is the best panel on MMT I have ever seen. Whether you love MMT or hate it, you must see the video either on the conference website or here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=507&v=lSCpJ3dSJ24.

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 10 2019 19:54 utc | 22

@ Posted by: financial matters | Nov 10 2019 19:54 utc | 22

Europe has a really sad history.

During most of its history, except for a short period of the Roman Empire, it was a very poor and backward region of the world. That's why, in order to achieve prosperity, it had always to adopt an imperialist stance (since wealth was somewhere else).

Nowadays, Europe is just an American protectorate that behaves as it's an independent entity. I have pity of France: its capitalist system is clearly stagnated and there's no way out. Its adventure in Africa are just a last desperate attempt to avoid going back to its rightful place as poor nation as it was during the Middle Ages.

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 20:00 utc | 23

53 billion new barrels of oil found in southwestern Khuzestan Province., Iran.
how does that impact on the Aramco IPO?

Posted by: snake | Nov 10 2019 20:23 utc | 24

The end of the CFA in Benin is already acted, and other countries should follow. What is still debated is how to get back the currencies they have at the Banque de France, where CFA countries were obliged to deposit amounts equivalent to the money they had in circulation, as far as I have understood.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 10 2019 20:24 utc | 25

@Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 18:57 utc | 15

Polls give third political force Vox ( of the WH, advised by Bannon and financed, undercover, by terrorist sect MEK.. ), these are nostalgics of francoist dictatorship who hold that violence against woman is a fake, want to outlaw nationalist parties in historic autonomies like Basque Country and Catalonia, and have never said a word against unemployment, low wages, or the banks who were rescued by the Spanish state, i. e.,Spanish population, at the price 60.000 million euros share...

This is Vox typical voter, allegedly a national policeman....Do not tell me that he is not like a drop of water from those nazis shouting in Virginia some time ago?

https://twitter.com/FonsiLoaiza/status/1193571771066322950

Then could anyone explain why the very informative Twitter account of @berlinconfidenc has been shut off several times already and this "element" enjoys freely his "free speech"?
Why the Spanish Ley Mordaza is not applied to this clear psycho who dares to menace people with assasination online, and yes to comedians and rappers of the left?

Who is supporting the far-right in Spain, apart from the Trump administration?

Btw, that the violent riotters allegedly part of the Catalonian independentist movement, who have not bothered neither Puigdemont nor Torra in the least, have contributed great to the advance of Vox...No wonder they were mainly coming from far-right parties/organizations in European countries...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 20:38 utc | 26

Shit is stirring in Bolivia..

The commander of #Bolivia's armed forces calls for the country's President @evoespueblo to resign

The commander of the #Bolivia|n National Police[@Pol_Boliviana], Calderón, also calls for the country's President @evoespueblo to resign

Mm..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 10 2019 20:45 utc | 27

@ Posted by: Lozion | Nov 10 2019 20:45 utc | 27

Yes, the coup worked: Evo Morales is toppled. He's now allegedly fleeing to Argentina:

https://twitter.com/jmkarg/status/1193626495673077760

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 20:50 utc | 28

@27 lozion.. apparently the opposition aren't happy with the election results..

i liked the last 2 paragraphs in matt taibbi's rolling stone article...

"The WMD affair showed what happens when we don’t require sources to show us evidence, when we let political actors use the press to “confirm” their own assertions, when we report on the journey of rumors instead of the rumors themselves, and most especially when we lionize intelligence and law enforcement figures, who usually turn out to be just as craven and unreliable as the rest of us.

When we let stuff like this go, the public sees us as fools, at which point it doesn’t matter whether what we write is for or against any politician, because nobody believes us anyway. Is this really the industry standard we’re gunning for? Are we never going to own up to this one?"

the last paragraph is what many here have complained about for some time with regard to the msm..

Posted by: james | Nov 10 2019 20:50 utc | 29

I am watching Telesur live updates on Morales and there is no mention of him fleeing.

"teleSUR English @telesurenglish

Bolivia | #EvoMorales left El Alto for the city of Chimore in order to meet with what his cabinet after the resignation of several of his ministers and suggestions by Armed Forces chief and head of Air Force that he resign."
Live Updates > https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Live-Updates-Bolivian-Army-Chief-Advises-Evo-Morales-to-Resign-20191109-0008.html

Posted by: arby | Nov 10 2019 21:05 utc | 30

Morales resigned:

Evo Morales renuncia ao cargo de presidente da Bolívia

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 21:08 utc | 31

""Bolivia's President #EvoMorales has resigned after the senior army chiefs called asked him to resign, weeks of right-wing unrest and violence against his election victory on Oct. 20."

Posted by: arby | Nov 10 2019 21:08 utc | 32

Not sure if this is true

"4 Nations DENIED access to their Air space for #EvoMorales plane exit #Bolivia:

#Argentina
#Brazil
#Chile
#Peru"

Posted by: arby | Nov 10 2019 21:14 utc | 33

@Posted by: arby | Nov 10 2019 21:05 utc | 30

Some of his cabinet members had resigned under menace by thugs from the opposition who held their relatives hostage...

This is a coup d´etat.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 21:49 utc | 34

snake @ 24

53 billion new barrels of oil found in southwestern Khuzestan Province., Iran. how does that impact on the Aramco IPO?

It'd be so funny if Iran has developed the technology to drill for horizontally for a couple of hundred miles and is tapping into Saudi oilfields

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 10 2019 21:59 utc | 35

@Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2019 20:50 utc | 28

For you to see that if the armed forces remain loyal like in Venezuela, there is no place for foreign orquestrated coups.

This is the kind of thugs making the coup and usurping national sovereignty:

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193574050876006403

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193451286135496705

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193311981333291010

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193305291502301185

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1192864955978178565

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1192864957689401345

Evo Morales have called for new elections...
Now once depossed, the US calls for "democratic and free elections"...when this ocup has all the signature of Urkrainina Maidan and Venezuela intend...

Even the usurper, Luis Fernando Camacho is a photocopy of Guaido and all the US riotters anmd usurpers out there, with the cap, polo, and all that...Another Presidente Encargado..

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1191815378151849984

To see now what is the position of Spain and the EU....

The OEA and the US, of course, will support "free" new elections where nobody except the opposition will concur...Evo and his team have een oblied to leave the country, and that could only be possible under death menace...

Warning for navagantes in Iraq and Lebanon...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 22:05 utc | 36

link says December-2018 Trump dropped sanctions against Russian billionaire Deripaska’s companies and tore up the JCPOA agreement? Claims Iran received $1.7 billion=> to disappear FBI agent Levinson— Trump then sanctioned Iran because Iran threatened to tell all.. so is Levinson on his way back to the USA?
something dn add up here?

Posted by: snake | Nov 10 2019 22:06 utc | 37

Álvaro García Linera: more than half of the population voted in favor of Evo. But dark forces began to attack the poorest and the indigenous. A police group stopped protecting the population and joined that coup #GolpeDeEstadoEnBolivia

https://twitter.com/abrahamIstillar/status/1193634547197497350

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 22:15 utc | 38

The first thing they have done the coupistas is going to take over the Venezuelan Embassy..Venezuelan Ambassador fearinf for their lives...( no wonder due the images we have seen of the officials of Morales cabinet with their hair cut and covered in paint...

URGENTE!

“With dynamite, hooded, with shields they have taken the #Venezuela embassy in #Bolivia. We are well and safe but want to make a massacre with us. Help us to denounce this barbarism, ”Venezuelan ambassador to #Bolivia, Chris González.

https://twitter.com/ErikaOSanoja/status/1193649993896333314

This happens because nobody in the world has dared to stop US thuggism...now there will be a masacre of indigenous people...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 22:20 utc | 39

Ben Norton's close to what's happening in Bolivia. His growing Twitter thread on events there, the latest entry saying:

"US government cables released by WikiLeaks show that Bolivia's opposition presidential candidate Carlos Mesa, who lost to Evo Morales in the election, was regularly in correspondence with US officials.

"For years the US was using him to try to undermine Evo." [Link follows]

And just after Lula was released from prison.

I've never felt good about what I'm about to write, but I just don't see any other way for those living South of the Outlaw US Empire within the Western Hemisphere to gain and retain their freedom: IMO, the sort of Class-related reaction that occurred during the French Revolution must occur, which is to essentially use the methods of the Reactionaries against them to the point where they're eradicated--a reversing of the "Salvador Option"--otherwise, democracy will always be imperiled by the Comprador 5th Column present within every one of the region's nations. Perhaps then, the Current Oligarchy will finally get the message to lay off all other nations and stick to destabilizing their own.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2019 22:20 utc | 40

Facebook scrubbing 'any and all mentions' of alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella

Quick PSA Epstein did not kill himself.

Posted by: TJ | Nov 10 2019 22:21 utc | 41

Commanders of military & Police are essentially white, not indigenous, thus the racial aspect of the new round of Class War unleashed in Bolivia. Thus it becomes clear Evo erred and trusted the wrong people.

IMO, the only way to stop, reverse and then rid the non-Anglo parts of the Western Hemisphere from Anglo/Yankee influence is to engage in what I suggest above @40. The majority has played by the rules but the small minority owned by the Outlaw US Empire only uses violence as that's the only way it can stay in control as it's otherwise illegitimate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2019 22:33 utc | 42

Now the big question is what will the people of Bolivia do? Will they sit on their hands while their leader is jailed and the fascists take over like the Brazilians did, or will they take it to the streets like the Venezuelans did when the fascist coup was launched against Chavez?

We'll know by this time tomorrow, I suppose.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 10 2019 22:38 utc | 43

Will the OAS and the United States continue calling for elections in Bolivia or what comes out of the coup is already good for them?

https://twitter.com/HelenaVillarRT/status/1193632680505757696

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 22:39 utc | 44

I'd be remiss not to note that Common Dreams somewhat redeemed itself by posting this article celebrating Kshama Sawant's victory over Amazon.com in Seattle and public defender Chesa Boudin's election to District Attorney in San Francisco. Sawant's victory statement assuredly echoes globally, and at the moment certainly in Bolivia:

"Amazon's unprecedented effort to unseat a city council member, Sawant said in a statement, 'clarified to people that big business is not on our side.'

"'This mythology that, 'Oh if only we behaved nicely and we brought big business to the table, things would work out.' Well that's been blown to smithereens,' she added. 'They are not on our side and in fact they will use every dollar that they can to try and crush the movement.'" [My Emphasis]

Her bolded words cannot be expressed loudly or often enough. Alas, they go mostly unheard and unheeded to the great detriment of the Masses.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2019 22:54 utc | 45

Exactly Sasha!

Evo's resignation might be exactly an invite for the opposition to do that (bypass new elections), with the added benefit that it pulls the motive for violence out of the streets. Bring new elections on! Let's see if the Bolivians still have a handle on the process on the way.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Nov 10 2019 22:59 utc | 46

@Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Nov 10 2019 22:59 utc | 46

But calling now for new elections will have the same fraudulent effect than what happened in Brazil with Lula out of play because unfairly jailed ( to this very day!..)
Getting Evo Morales and all his tema out of Bolivia under menace will guarantee that the government falls in the opppsition..

Who would dare to concur to the elections on the part of the poor and indegenous people, after they have see how the homes of all the officials were set on fire and their residents almost unless they resigned...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:24 utc | 47

"
Jeremy Corbyn
‏Verified account @jeremycorbyn
48m48 minutes ago

To see @evoespueblo who, along with a powerful movement, has brought so much social progress forced from office by the military is appalling.

I condemn this coup against the Bolivian people and stand with them for democracy, social justice and independence."

Posted by: arby | Nov 10 2019 23:26 utc | 48

karlof1 @ 40

Exactly what are you calling for in Bolivia?

Posted by: pogohere | Nov 10 2019 23:27 utc | 49

Karlofi said "IMO, the only way to stop, reverse and then rid the non-Anglo parts of the Western Hemisphere from Anglo/Yankee influence is to engage in what I suggest above @40. "

Somehow Chavez managed to keep his military onside without the above suggestion.

Bottom up thinking I believe.

Posted by: arby | Nov 10 2019 23:31 utc | 50

The style of scaring the people is a total imitation from post-Maidan Ukraine, where communists and other opposed factions in Rada were beated, covered in paint and thrown in waste containers...until they left the country...
Then Myrotvorets was launched and the first killings on those who dared to rwemain started...Recall Alex Buzina...Any compromised intellectual will suffer the same fate in Bolivia...

Guess who is behind this coup at the letter of the book...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:31 utc | 51

Pillaging has already started at Evo´s home...I told you that this follow the book of Maidan verabtim...

#Breaking they ransack the house of the president @evoespueblo, persecution this is what follows with the resignation of @evoespueblo

https://twitter.com/madeleintlSUR/status/1193668989622325248

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:41 utc | 52

Don't get me wrong Sasha, I don't think Evo's team objective, 2 weeks after they've win them, was to repeat elections so soon. This is likely their best approach right now, for the sake of Bolivians and their supporters. Not mentioning possible reaction a la Caracas.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Nov 10 2019 23:43 utc | 53

#InfoMV Evo Morales denounced that his security personnel were offered 50 thousand dollars for him to be delivered to violent opposition groups. He held Fernando Camacho and Carlos Mesa responsible for what would happen to him or García Linera.

https://twitter.com/Mision_Verdad/status/1193667429823664128

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:44 utc | 54

@Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Nov 10 2019 23:43 utc | 53

You seem to be unaware of the developments of events to this time, Evo called for elections BEFORE he was oblied to resign by police and military rebels, and made leave the country...
Elections now with every Evo´s supporter under menace of death would only throw a fake result favourable to the opposition who did not manage to win elections democratically...

This is the same scenario than in the Ukraine, where representatives of the working people were never more able to concur to elections and had to leave the country, remaining to be elected only those puppets of oligarchs or the US...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:49 utc | 55

Fascist pickets taking over Venezuelan Embassy...Look what kind of people is this...
Free elections in Bolivia now? Do not make me laugh!

https://twitter.com/LaHojillaenTV/status/1193655455886827527

#NoAlGolpeEnBolivia
#EvoNoEstasSolo

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:53 utc | 56

Semblance of the commander coupist...

#Bolivia General Williams Kalimán Romero, current commander in chief of the Bolivian Armed Forces, who "suggested" President Evo Morales´s resignation was the defense attaché in the US from 2013 to 2016. He previously commanded Joint Task Force against coca cultivation in 2011-2012

https://twitter.com/latablablog/status/1193663576621420546

Recall that the Venezuelan defense attaché in the US also turned down with the coupist of Guaidó...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 10 2019 23:57 utc | 57

EU cuts economic growth forecast for 2019, 2020

And that's without considering the UK actually exiting the EU and the possibility of another crisis in the meantime.

The European Dream is over.

Posted by: vk | Nov 11 2019 0:03 utc | 58

This is the old style of "School of the Americas" all the way, recicled by Trump administration and its marichis in the alt-media...Next time I see one of you supporting or calling the vote for Trump...do not ask me for respect...Count with all my contempt, if already it was not clear, from now on...

The coup in Bolivia has armed, mercenary and criminal violence components that are on the rise. Although at first it was, it is no longer a traditional "color revolution", it is a civil war trial with variants of ethnic and political cleansing. It is horrific what happens.

https://twitter.com/williamserafino/status/1193590175785463808

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 0:09 utc | 59

A day or two ago, psychohistorian commented on the nature of China's political-economy that merited a reply but garnered none, while I didn't have any time to do so. I wish I could find his initial comment to provide context, but my brief search bore no fruit. But I'm going to post what I sent to him in an email since IMO it warrants sharing:

"As for China's political-economy, I once read about the zero differences between Capitalism and Socialism when it came to the building and distribution of things--capital needed to be amassed to pay for the ingredients and further capital needed to be employed for operations to continue and in the process externalities were often produced that needed to be dealt with, pollution being #1. I became interested in trying to discover what if any distinctions existed and if so where they occurred after reading Ecocide in the USSR and knowing of China's similar problem. That pushed me to read Herman Daly's Ecological Economics and For the Common Good: Redirecting the Economy toward Community, the Environment, and a Sustainable Future, co-authored with John Cobb Jr, all before I reentered college to Minor in Economics. What the Chinese are doing as you noted is keeping the primary sink of Capital under public auspices such that all major public supporting infrastructures are publicly owned and operated. Even the Communist Party of China is publicly owned--which is what political parties within the West ought to be so they can't be captured like the P and R-parties to work against the public interest. I thought about writing something like the above in reply, but was already busy doing another task. Clearly, few at MoA are aware of the great similarity between the two as well as the very important distinctions when it comes to Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. Utilization of the Entrepreneurial aspects of Capitalism that provide for dynamicism and innovation works as long as they're employed for the public's benefit, which relates to my desire to recast corporate charters so they're directional efforts can be reoriented such that profit's are no longer sought at the expense of public wellbeing. Yes, that's a lot to pack within one paragraph.

"A recent Global Times editorial remarked that the West was incapable of seeing and thus appreciating the critical role of the Communist Party of China in directing China's success since Western dogma says government's incapable of being dynamic or innovative--that only the private sector is capable of being that and doing so. And thanks to the teaching of the false Neoliberal doctrine as truth in schools and universities, Western governments and their publics will continue to do the wrong thing by following a false path. All of which are further elements contributing to our impending Critical Mass."

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 11 2019 0:21 utc | 60

Pasquinades posted by coupist opposition before Efvo´s resignation what ccan illustrate why the government has resigned so fast...
Pure fascism....
What I told you? Here you have the Bolivian Myrotvorets.....

https://twitter.com/TorresVirly/status/1193607591152308224

Translation of the pasquinade:

Traitor Tracking The population is asked to register all the social network publications of the "Cyber llunkus". Take screenshots and copy the links of the publications and profiles of the "Cyber Llunkus".

The M.A.S. ( Evo´s party ) is a criminal organization.
Once Evo Morales falls, a rake will be made to identify the traitorous of the people "Cyber Llunkus" and imprison them through the location of their mobile devices.
Fake profiles will not save them.

#Civil Resistance Bolivia

Now that the US tells us the tale of democratic elections in Bolivia now...


Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 0:23 utc | 61

The coupists´faces...For the world to see...

https://twitter.com/rasta_celestial/status/1193631579295408128

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 0:26 utc | 62

Fuck.. all I can contribute right now @Bolivia.. :(

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 11 2019 0:27 utc | 63

Well, it seems that Evo Morales refused to leave the country...this is why people is fearing for his life...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 0:47 utc | 64

pogohere @49 & arby @50--

A people's Counter-revolution that sweeps the Reactionaries down the drain once and for all.

Chavez was keen to the CIA's modus and thus reformed the military in numerous respects, particularly by making it impervious to corruption--AND--instituting the uniquely structured Bolivarian Constitution. Evo's problems stem from the lack of extensive public support as proven by the election results that kept him from instituting the sort of reforms Chavez accomplished; and the same goes for all other Latin American nations. In a nutshell, the Bolivian people squabbled too much amongst themselves and never constructed the type of Revolutionary constitution and social system required to be resilient to outside manipulation. Yes, Venezuela was very much a Bottom->Up remaking of society to the point where the Comprador upper 10% didn't matter, which is why Chavez then Maduro left them to their own devices. But elsewhere, the popular masses never generated the required solidarity to prevent losing their hard won freedoms. Sure, it's possible to regain power through the ballot box, but it can be just as easily lost as is happening now in Bolivia if preventative measures aren't taken beforehand.

Nations must have constitutions that don't allow for rich minorities to gain control or to allow them to begin in control as in the USA's case. But to institute such an instrument, the popular masses must act as one and cast their factionalisms aside until this primary aspect of consolidating power in their hands becomes the law of their land. Plus, they must again drop their in-fighting when confronted by any reactionary threat and remember what the main task is at all times--Maintenance of Freedom.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 11 2019 0:47 utc | 65

Here the tweet of the Mexican Foreign Secretary announcing that 20 people have already been granted asylum and that Evo Morales is offered asylum.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193676949450829824

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 0:52 utc | 66

Sorry to read about the military coup in Bolivia.

We all see what seems to be the demise of empire but facts on the ground tell a different story today in Bolivia. I am sorry for the pain and suffering for many caused by my country under the control of the global private finance cult. I continue to try and spread the word about the perfidy of Western empire and will keep trying but am limited in my abilities.

I hope to live to see the demise of private finance led empire all over the world. Humanity deserves a better future.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2019 0:58 utc | 67

@Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 11 2019 0:47 utc | 65

What saved Venezuela was the huge investing in education started with Chavez, in that they counted with the help and advice of people from the Spanish left ...
Bolivian people, of the poor class, are mostly poorly educated people...and so easy to buy and fool...as this images show...
Look that this people ransacking Evo´s home, they are not white patricios...but those who they have payed to do the dirty work...indigenous people poorly dressed...collaborating in ovrthrowing the legitimate democratically elected from their own...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193667619485818881

It was a poor peasant who sold Ché Guevara to "Pat´s unit", in gratitude for a medical officila having attended his son´s wounded foot....

The same lesson could be taken out from the events in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 1:05 utc | 68

Wow, it seems the US went straight for the throat this time in Bolivia.

Posted by: Paul | Nov 11 2019 1:10 utc | 69

Demonstrators supporting Evo Morales in Cochabamba...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1193666222036000770

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 1:10 utc | 70

@Posted by: Paul | Nov 11 2019 1:10 utc | 69

Yeah..this time is no different from others, they always go straight to the throat of the weak and poor...Totally depsicable...
To their own, earning points in the view of the world...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 1:17 utc | 71

@ Sasha who wrote
"
What saved Venezuela was the huge investing in education started with Chavez, in that they counted with the help and advice of people from the Spanish left ...
Bolivian people, of the poor class, are mostly poorly educated people...and so easy to buy and fool...as this images show...
"

I agree, thank you for your commenting and want to add my perspective to that.

If you read many who come and comment at MoA that supposedly are "educated" you will notice that they continue to think and write in terms of the conflict being between socialism and capitalism in spite of myself, karlof1 and others that continually point out that China is 80% capitalistic as are other "socialistic" countries but what matters is what part of the social economy is socialism versus capitalism. That is why I continue to beat my drum about the evil of global private finance that is the core problem with the social contract of the West. Look at how many in the West are brainwashed to not understand the difference between public/private finance and its effects on the whole culture and aggressive nature of the society under that meme.

That, IMO, is the core education that all those in the West and all striving to throw off the chains/economic jackboot of the West must learn and take to heart.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2019 1:34 utc | 72

Very disappointing to hear about Evo...but this is just one round in a very long fight...

In Argentina we have a new government for the people...in Mexico also...Lula is out of jail now in Brazil so eventually that will turn also...

The empire is rotting but is very dangerous right now because they are lashing out everywhere...we see in Lebanon and Iraq they are not succeeding...

This is desperation we see folks...they are losing control quickly and are trying to forestall the inevitable collapse of their global fascist dictatorship...

I think the end will come much sooner than they expect...the house of cards is teetering badly...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 11 2019 1:37 utc | 73

Camacho confirms arrest warrant against Evo Morales

Maidán script all the way....They do not have enough with hi resigning, they need to wipe out such honest leader form the face of Earth, at least while the "new fake elections" to maskerade the take over by the opposition are developed...as happened with Lula....

Here, US Lawyer sees all the signature of the US around the place...as happens to me...

https://www.rt.com/news/473105-morales-resignation-us-interference/

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 1:42 utc | 74

karlof1 @ 65, Sasha @ 68:

A significant factor is that the anti-Morales opposition is based mainly in Santa Cruz department in eastern Bolivia. This is the largest department (in territory and population) in Bolivia and has significant natural gas reserves. The indigenous people living in that department have virtually nothing in common with the highland indigenous people (Aymara and Quechua speakers) who formed Morales' base.

Morales did not have a military background as Chavez did and we can presume he was never able to cultivate a network of militias among the urban and rural working class that could support and defend his government. Significantly it was the armed forces who asked Morales to resign.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 11 2019 1:57 utc | 75

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2019 1:34 utc | 72

Sorry...but the conflict is between socialism and capitalism...between the rich and the working masses, especially those who work and still they remain poor....as has always been....who says otherwise is only trying to fool the masses...

Of course, you people in this forum who live over the average peer, I do not try that you understand...
You live in your world, looking your belly button, and the furthest you are willing to go is complain here about the Outlaw US Empire...

Why do you not damn go tomorrow in the streets to protest this new coup by your fascist administration?

Do not tell me, that would risk your privileged pensions...and all those expensive things you do to your bodies...

Excuse me, but today, reading the same stupid things of always make me feel like throwing up...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 1:58 utc | 76

@ psycho...

How do you figure that China is 80 percent capitalistic...?

Over 70 percent of the economy is in government hands...this includes the most important sectors like banking, energy, key industry, etc...

The capitalism part that accounts for 30 percent of the economy is mostly street level mom and pop shops...the few large private enterprises are not allowed to acquire the trappings of oligarchy...

The country is run by a very competent technocrats who are constantly fine-tuning the system to make it better...

China is indeed very much a communist state...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 11 2019 2:04 utc | 77

I am just wondering, and completely out of ignorance, as I am with most other nations outside the U.S, if anyone here sympathizes, or even has given a second thought, as to the warrant of the protestors who have used Morales' non-compliance to the referendum re: three-term presidency, and the "inconsistencies" of the recent election, itself?

It is incredibly easy to say, "The Yanks did it!" And I am not neccessarily opposed to saying that this is our sphere of influence, and that I am sure we have poured money into influencing the right down there. There is no doubt racism at play, as I am sure b will point out, as well.

However, it just seems to me that a referendum that is not respected speaks to me, as does the Brexit vote, that something is inherently wrong.

Could one not say that Morales really shouldn't have gone for a third term? (The first not being counted)

Does this make me a fascist?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 11 2019 2:17 utc | 78

Does this make me a fascist?

@Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 11 2019 2:17 utc | 78

Yes, it does, after you have witnessed how he won the elections legitimately and how he has been oblied to resign by fascist thigs, having been all his cabinet beated and their realtives taken hostage and menaced of death,their himes set on fore, women officials having her ahir cut and painted and oblied to ask forgivenens on their knees, along with ransaking of officials homes and ALBA countries´ embassies...

Yes, your are fascist!

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 11 2019 2:26 utc | 79

@ sasha.. calm down... i need to put on sunglasses with all your posts!

Posted by: james | Nov 11 2019 2:31 utc | 80

@79 sasha

I will definitely pray in my meager way as an insulated American for the plight of the lowly Bolivian.

...

But by your logic I am also a fascist for wanting the Brexit referendum to be upheld by that same logic?

If I was caught up in the insurection, I might cut the hair of Theresa May or other wives of globalist fat-cats.

But I digress. In all matters political, I always pray for national sovereignty to be respected. Amidst the turmoil in Bolivia, I would always want the will of the people to be respected. That way there can be no excuses and there remains only responsibility, as it should be.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 11 2019 2:44 utc | 81

In support of my claim that China is 80% capitalistic I am coming up not finding that specific quote but let me provide three links and some quotes from them

2016 article
https://www.australiachinarelations.org/content/china’s-economy-state-versus-private

Quotes
"
In 2014 China economy specialist Nicholas Lardy concluded that the private sector now produces at least two-thirds of China’s GDP.[1]

In China 25 percent of the working age population own and manage a private business.[5] This compares with:

- 22.9 percent in Australia[6]

- 15.9 percent in South Korea[7]

- 34.7 percent in Brazil[8]

- 20.9 percent in Turkey[9]

In 2014 China’s economy created 13.2 million new jobs. More than 90 percent were in the private sector.[10]

The public sector, including SOEs, employs 11 percent of China’s labour force.[11] This compares with:[12]

- 14.3 percent in Australia

- 7.4 percent in South Korea

- 12.1 percent in Brazil

- 11.7 percent in Turkey
"

2108 article
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-11/05/c_137581763.htm

Quotes
"
Private enterprises contributed to more than half of China's taxation, 60 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), 70 percent of technological innovation and new products, 80 percent of urban employment and 90 percent of new jobs.

China's average newly established enterprises reached 18,400 per day in the January-September period, with private companies accounting for more than 90 percent.

In the past five years, the number of market entities rose by nearly 80 percent. The number of private enterprises rose 146 percent, with the total registered capital posting an almost six-fold increase.

Linking Hangzhou, Shaoxing and Taizhou, China's first high-speed railway controlled by private investment was officially approved this year. Such projects were expected to increase with private capital and being eligible to access more areas.

"

Let me add another link to Michael Hudson about Mixed Economies within which he stated that "China is of course the most successful recent mixed economy."

https://michael-hudson.com/2019/04/mixed-economies-and-monopoly/

Its not left or right, its top or bottom

Its not socialism or capitalism, its who owns finance


Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2019 3:22 utc | 82

Pompeo tweeted:

Fully support the findings of the @OAS_official report recommending new elections in #Bolivia to ensure a truly democratic process representative of the people’s will. The credibility of the electoral system must be restored.

Will he still support new elections in the morning?
Meanwhile the protesters are calling MAS a criminal organization so no doubt it'll be excluded from the new elections as happened to the Party Of The Regions in Ukraine. The wonders of American "democracy".

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 11 2019 3:42 utc | 83

Psycho...

The issue is one of fascism, which is where the oligarchy controls the government...versus socialism, where the government works for the benefit of the people...

China is the exact opposite of fascism, which is why 80 percent of its people approve of the government...vs 20 percent in the US...

China is a SOCIALIST country...this is quite plain...but it is important to debunk this propaganda that is being piled on by the fascist US media that China is somehow capitalist...

Socialism in China means people have control...and they have control because the government listens to their concerns and acts to fulfill their needs...

The fact that small and medium enterprises are privately owned does not change that...the underpinnings of the economy are the SOEs...the state owned enterprises...which are almost all of the very large enterprises...

There can be no creeping fascism in China like the west would like to see...Xi has been very effective in guiding the country on a socialist trajectory...

So I certainly object when I here this trope about China being 'capitalist'...it's a big part of the propaganda...but it's not true...China is where it is because of socialism...

The foundation was laid by Mao, who is demonized in the fascist west and its indoctrinated masses...but he pulled a nation out of starvation and illiteracy and built up an infrastructure on which industrialization could take off...

China would still be illiterate and starving if the fascist Kuomonitong had prevailed...we also note that socialism is not some strict formula as any individual [say Marx] may have envisaged it...ie the people controlling the means of production...

The Chinese realized that this was too simple and that some people would rather work for themselves and put in more effort into their own business...

That's great...it is an evolution of socialism that everyone can pursue the vocation that they are most suited to...and that includes being a shopkeeper...

But the fact of the matter is that the Chinese economy is firmly in the grip of a very capable ruling class of the CCP...they are very good at what they do and they refine it constantly...

For instance a few years ago, we heard a lot about China's 'ghost' cities...but those were built up as part of a plan...now they are all full...

This is ingenious and benevolent top down planning at its best...everything that happens in China is part of a PLAN...nothing is due to the whims of an oligarchy of plutocrats and bankster parasites that are constantly rejigging the Ponzi Scheme that is our existence in the west...

There can be no comparison...much as the propaganda bots would like us to believe it...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 11 2019 3:45 utc | 84

@ : flankerbandit | Nov 11 2019 3:45 utc | 84 who I can only assume did not read the Michael Hudson mixed economy piece

I strongly object to your use of "isms". Capitalism/fascism and socialism are mythological concepts that do not exist, and never have existed in reality, in spite of all the propaganda and brainwashing to the contrary.....I am a bit surprised a person of your supposed science leaning would fall for such.

What exists in reality in the West is that private people of some number and identification own the BIS, IMF, World Bank, US Fed banks, and many nations Central Banks as well as many multi-national corporations....and act accordingly

What exists in reality in China is that the government is the owner of the core tools of finance/banking and they are using them for the betterment of their public and perhaps the worlds masses.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2019 4:06 utc | 85

@76 Sasha

There is no fight between the free market and the socialist market because they each address only one of the two economic problems:

Unlimited wants, limited resources is for a regulated free market;
Limited needs (food, housing, education, health, defence), limited resources is for a regulated socialist market.

This is the right wing ideal of governmenr to provide security, but security being reframed as 'security from destitution'.

This only takes 30-40% of GDP. Including defence, thebUS spends 24% of GDP already on welfare. But it does it in a communistic way - entrawled with the derived demand of state bureaucracy, and the derived demand accountants, lawyers etc that come with that.

Much simpler to:

Set a flat income/profit/capital-gains/imheritance tax to cover the economy of needs,
Provide targeted UBIs for each individual need to the citizenry, regulate each of those economies into a perfect competition model. So, close to what Switzerland does with its insurance health system, but for each industry.
For the 60-70% of GDP economy of wants, regulate only against force, harm, and deceit. No need for minimum wage, hiring/firing laws, gender equality laws, etc etc.

What we do now is pollute the economy of needs with free market thinking, and the economy of wants with socialistic thinking. We should insead have an anarcho-socialist economy of needs, and a libretarian economy of wants.

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 11 2019 4:44 utc | 86

@84/85 flankerbandit /psychohistorian...

can either one of you explain to me the large influx of chinese money and individuals that are buying up a lot of the businesses in the community i live in that is within the general area of vancouver b.c.? how has this happened, and why has it been skyrocketing in the past 20 years in this area of b.c.? the turn over of hong kong to china in 99 explains some of it, but it doesn't explain it all... these are people buying these businesses who don't generally speak a word of english and either keep the staff in place under the new ownership, or work at some slow integration into running the businesses they have bought.. bottom line - this is happening and i think it has to do with something that neither of your posts capture.. thanks...

Posted by: james | Nov 11 2019 5:52 utc | 87

james 87

Your country is for sale. China has money and is buying. Same here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2019 6:06 utc | 88

@ james with the question about folks from China buying business in/around Vancouver BC.

I am going to guess that what is not Hong Kong is probably Taiwan for the most part. It is my understanding that in those two places in/of China the exfiltration of "profit" is more lax currently (one country/two systems) than in China proper.....but there are exceptions like the Huawei owner's daughter and I suspect other very "rich" China mainlanders.....it is a big world with lots of folks from China in it....and if you are real rich you have places/investments in all the desirable locations.

Like any part of world, folks can become adherents to the "capitalistic" way as Taiwan and Hong Kong have been and with that comes accumulations of "wealth" that those folks wanting to invest in Western environments and Vancouver has long had such connection/attraction to China.

I would like to live in your area but cannot afford to.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 11 2019 6:20 utc | 89

Does the content this link have a bearing on impeachment?

Posted by: snake | Nov 11 2019 6:39 utc | 90

psychohistorian 89

In China the monopolies or business where a cartel can form are state owned, but there are still many very wealthy Chinese. They would also have access to state owned finance. I do not begrudge them that. China prosecutes those who who are involve in corruption in China. The west mostly gives asylum to these saying it is political prosecution. Out in the big bad world, Chinese - when in Rome do as the Romans do. But saying that, those who succeeded in a big way are usually sharks, no matter their nationality.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2019 7:40 utc | 91

Trump as an isolationist. Comprises of five-eyes, Israel, the America's and the bulk of the worlds oil (apart from Russian oil). Prevent Trump getting the oil and MAGA and the reduced US empire also falls apart.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2019 7:58 utc | 92

Hey what a great idea! The people of Bolivia have just had Carlos Mesa, the man who was vice president in 2002 when the government massacred thousands of indigenous citizens, resurrected then illegally installed as president and some people here would like to take advantage of the re-installation of these hideous murderers by their amerikan government (who gave Mesa $10 million on his last trip to the US, right before the election) to push inane dingbat conspiracy theories about how they reckon the world really works.

WGAF? This isn't the time to swap nonsense made up on the back of a cocktail napkin tosh, what possible good can come of that? None. Now is the time to be getting off the keyboard & getting out in the real world with the actual human beings who you know and trust, then devising strategies to give Bolivians some relief.
If every amerikan who whinges about this coup actually did something, like I dunno, shoots one "state department official" things would change. True given the nazi like nature of amerikan government and their equally criminal, secretive ways, it is impossible to know if you are offing anyone on the 'latin american desk' let alone the Bolivian one, but still there are enough whingers to make sure the whole stinking mob of Bolivian 'experts' go down for good along with the rest of 'em and its not as if anyone anywhere in State is a force for benevolence so it's all upside really, if you think about that, a lot better than the same old half baked nonsense.

Your compatriots have bribed a gang of Bolivian whitefella thugs into taking all the relatives of Bolivia's elected government hostage. Then they at amerikan behest, butchered a few while telling the decent humans beings in the Bolivian government if they don't resign, not only will they die, so will their entire families. Yet instead of doing anything about this horror show which "your fellow americans" have visited on another country, all the rest of us can see is more self entitled amerikans spouting more words while doing absolutely nothing useful.

Posted by: A User | Nov 11 2019 8:09 utc | 93

Texas in USA used to produce (maybe it still does) a recognizable sort of person. It's subtle. A sort of aggressive self-confidence and tendency to brave-ness. I knew a few of these fellas at school and in my working years. They have a directness. and short fuzes.

Perhaps the example for the "MoA Club" would be the Texas, Russ.

Withal, his essay at fortruss addresses, in part, his idea about TGM (That Good Man) Jeffery E. (and Al Baghdaddy or whoever...)

He too thinks the ringer's empty. But he has more than Jeffery to talk about.

About what he calls intuition. I'd say inner light. Don't let 'em gas-light ya.


Posted by: Walter | Nov 11 2019 8:10 utc | 94

Sasha 68

What do you mean by 'Pat's unit' in relation to Ché Guevara. I looked it up but could find nothing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2019 8:27 utc | 95

Oh yeah. Happy Armistice Day...watching that icon in ruins. Fat old Herman Goering said, they tell us, that Nuremberg was "ein Purimspiel" and "Victor's Justice".

This seemed to remain an unproved claim until vindicated by the open and obvious actions of B41 and his cohort as they began creating the FUBARs being discussed @ MoA. Herman may have been a nasty fella, but he knew what was happening...while his boss and Bormann the money-guy lived quietly. Stalin said Spain, some say Patagonia...maybe TGM Jeffery lives there now... Shuddaknown when they offed Hess to keep him quiet about the back-handed crooked deals with Dulles and his gang.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 11 2019 8:29 utc | 96

Magniers 4 4 piece of the protests in Iraq and Lebanon.
"There are no serious anti-Iran sentiments prevailing in Iraq and Lebanon, any more than anti-US or anti-Saudi opinions. In Iraq, it was Moqtada al-Sadr, the political leader who controls 53 MPs, the largest political party in the Parliament, the highest number of Ministers, general directors, ambassadors and other key positions in the government, who led the anti-Iran slogans because of his personal vendetta with Iran. Iraqi people are sentimental and readily critical of any domestic or overseas statements."

If this is correct then Iraq is history. To boot the US out, Iraq must side with allies. Looks like US will be in Iraq and the Syrian oilfields for quite some time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2019 9:03 utc | 97

I see Pete Lavell and his fellas have addressed CT/RT) the name that may no longer be spoken...so I searched twitter for "Eric Ciaramella". Kinna fun.

When do we get T shirts?

Posted by: Walter | Nov 11 2019 9:13 utc | 98

This is the way foreword
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1193810440519901185
Thanks to the commentators regarding Corbyn on the last post.
We really need to get behind this man. For the sake of the entire world.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 11 2019 9:54 utc | 99

James @ 87:

You should watch a documentary “Operation Mr Chen: The Hidden Face of Quebec’s Golden Visas” on Youtube that was made by Radio-Canada's current affairs program Enquete last year.

During the 1980s the Canadian and Quebecois governments started programs encouraging wealthy investors with at least the equivalent of $2 million (Canadian currency) to settle in Canada and in particular Quebec, provided that they invested a minimum amount in the economy of their new homes. These programs generated dubious results - they encouraged tax evasion in the investors' original countries and money laundering in Canada - and the Canadian Federal government stopped its program. The Quebecois program was continuing when the Enquete episode was made.

To find out how the Quebecois program operated, and how sloppy it was in evaluating applicants, Enquete hired a Hong Kong man to pose as a potential migrant and investor applying to the Quebecois wealthy investor program. The result really was astonishing: the consultants running the program deliberately overlooked the shady financial past of the "applicant". Some of the officials administering the program in Hong Kong spoke of not having enough time or resources to interview applicants and review and check the applicants' histories and bona fides, and of the constant pressure from the Quebec government to wave applicants through.

The Quebecois program was badly administered and was not at all effective in generating new business and employment in Quebec. The bulk of wealthy applicants in the program were Chinese nationals who use the program to invest money (that should have been paid as income tax to Beijing) in buying properties in the Toronto and Vancouver metropolitan areas. Buying property is a form of money laundering and tax evasion, especially if as a result of buying a property you can claim tax rebates if in one taxation year the income you gain in rent is exceeded by interest payments on the mortgage. In this way, Chinese nationals who take advantage of the badly run Quebecois wealthy investor program and similar programs in other parts of Canada can get away with paying very little tax both in China and in Canada, while at the same time they can use their properties in Vancouver and Toronto to apply for places in private schools for their offspring and enjoy benefits and services that government authorities in Vancouver and Toronto offer if they declare themselves Canadian residents.

Similar "wealthy investor" programs operate in Australia and as you can imagine, wealthy foreign nationals also game these programs to evade income tax obligations in their home countries and launder money here by buying residential properties.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 11 2019 10:52 utc | 100

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