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November 28, 2019

Open Thread 2019-70

No Turkey for me ...

Posted by b on November 28, 2019 at 14:04 UTC | Permalink

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# 99 The equality. Yes, everybody was able to carry knives or pistols, and many did. People fought all the time...they were equals in power, in part because a stab in the gut, or even a fist fight, often led to death by infection, sepsis.

I don't advocate. I don't keep weapons. But that's the reality, there can be no question of justice except between equals in power.

see, as an example> The Broderick–Terry duel

The canonical history is disneyland on acid. the reality ugly as can be, but pretty, here and there.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 29 2019 17:56 utc | 101

Chronicles of mass delusions, a.k.a. CounterPunch, NOVEMBER 29, 2019
Why the UkraineGate Hearings Didn’t Move the Dial
by PAUL STREET FacebookTwitterRedditEmail
CNN and MSDNC’s talking heads seemed surprised and disappointed that the recent televised impeachment hearings do not appear to have moved any but a small number of Republicans into supporting the impeachment and removal of the demented fascist oligarch Donald Trump. Liberals roll their eyes while discussing surveys showing that Republican voters are unmoved by clear evidence of Trump’s corrupt conduct in trying to extort political dirt on Joe Biden out of Ukraine with the bribe of American missiles.
You can read it if you are curious, but you may be worried about you sanity. Some people can digest, say, ten drivels a day and retain pink cheeks and good sleep, some can barely tolerate two. So the text below can be summarized in one word "deplorable", although Paul Street spells it "Amerikaner". Obviously, he ignores the simple sociology, namely the while the public has large segments with strong partisan identification, 20-30% does not have it, so a litany of examples of die-hard Trumpers does not explain ANYTHING..

It is like aftermath of an attempt of changing hearts and minds by bringing a circus to town. And in spite of the best efforts of elephants that walk with a shuffle, lions with most hair missing, trapeze artists near retirement age etc., no effect. Well, you just managed to bewilder the "undecided middle": what was that about?

Try to explain the "narrative" to an undecided simpleton:

Explainer: ... Trump tried to bribe Ukrainians with missiles.
Simpleton: ... So Ukrainians like missiles? I heard that they prefer borsch. On BBC I read a long article that borsch, in spite of Russian (and sometimes Polish) propaganda, is invented by Ukrainians, loved by Ukrainians etc., whatever thieves from Russia (and Poland) may claim. But you say that the prefer missiles.
Explainer: Ukrainians do not live by borsch alone. They need missiles to resist Russian aggression.
Simpleton: How did the manage without our missiles?
Explainer: These missiles are necessary to resist attacks by massive columns of tanks, so far Russians did not deploy them.
Simpleton: For how many years Russia did not deploy massive columns of tanks?
Explainer: Forty? Why is it important, we cannot leave our allies afraid of Russian tank columns!
Simpleton: So Trump made these good, borsch loving folks afraid. This is really cruel! How long were they afraid? Are the still afraid? What can we do about it?!
Explainer: They got those missiles.
Simpleton: So Congress forced Trump! Bravo!
Explainer: No, when Congress learned about those corrupt cruel phone calls, missiles were already delivered.
==== I am cutting it short, Simpleton remains bewildered ====

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2019 18:01 utc | 102

Dors @ 31. Had forgotten about O’Colmain for a while. Thx, interesting.


Details re. drugs. etc., idk.

O’C. The ousting of President Evo Morales of Bolivia on 10 November by the US-backed right-wing opposition is being described as a classic CIA coup.

Yes. I’m not arguing that here. Nor that very evil forces are taking over.

The ‘left’ and even the ‘radical left’ in the "W" is losing the plot, imho, in the sense of blindly supporting type L-populists while they supposedly fight type R-populists. The term populists is of course negatively loaded and often quite meaningless. I mean, “appealing to one’s traditional audience with emotional arguments, the hopeful, necessary, allegiance; obfuscations, slants (some) ..” - a v. rough definition.

Meanwhile what you get is ignoring the rule of law, Crowd Justice, Protesting pro-forma hysteria that dies down in one week or 8 (which the PTB predict..), and a fractioning and debasing of econo-politics as run by some in an agreed (so-certified) structure, in favor of Overlords.

The Bolivian Constitution limits Pres + VP to 2 terms. Morales obtained a 3rd term thru a Const. amendmnt. He aimed for a 4th.

“In 2016, Morales tried to amend Bolivia's constitution so he could run for a fourth term but voters narrowly rejected the proposal in a referendum. Rather than accept the result, Morales appealed to the nation's highest court …The judges ruled that Morales' reelection bid could proceed on the grounds that the president's human rights would have been violated were he not allowed on the ballot.”

If ppl decide to have a Constitution then it should be respected. In the sense that any governance must treat the future path, usually by forbidding, tempering, controlling, constraining, arbitrary power moves, chaos and the like…

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 29 2019 18:19 utc | 104

Strategic Culture editorial, "Henry Kissinger Gets It… US ‘Exceptionalism’ Is Over":

"Speaking [Link at original] publicly in New York on November 14, the veteran diplomat urged the US and China to resolve their ongoing economic tensions cooperatively and mutually, adding: 'It is no longer possible to think that one side can dominate the other.'

"A key remark made by Kissinger was the following: 'So those countries that used to be exceptional and used to be unique, have to get used to the fact that they have a rival.'

"In other words, he is negating the erroneous consensus held in Washington which asserts that the US is somehow exceptional', a 'uni-power' and the 'indispensable nation'. This consensus has grown since the early 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the US viewed itself as the sole super-power. That morphed into a more virulent ideology of 'full-spectrum dominance'. Thence, the past three decades of unrelenting US criminal wars and regime-change operations across the planet, throwing the whole world into chaos." [My Emphasis]

This is the sort of editorial that needs to appear globally in the national vernacular. Yesterday, I linked to the tough spoken Global Times editorial--for those who don't already know, GT is the Communist Party of China's mouthpiece to the world-- which is followed by another today that is just as serious as yesterday's:

"Today's US politics have somewhat been abducted by its extreme ideology. The US has become increasingly furious as it finds no way to improve its competitiveness. US Senator Marco Rubio, for example, is the most extreme nationalist and ideological fanatic. A person like him will not be welcomed by Chinese public opinion. However, such an extremist actually becomes a US senator, and US policy toward China is led by these people's sentiments. Social media is exacerbating such frenzy. US mainstream elites are also becoming tougher. These may drag China-US relations into a vicious circle....

"This is no longer the world in the early days after the end of the Cold War. The US cannot cut off China's connection with the world. Even if the US breaks relations with China, US allies will not follow it and most countries will keep developing relations with China. If the US insists on unilateralism and zero-sum game, it is choosing an irreversible decline for itself." [My Emphasis]

I wouldn't imply the Evil Outlaw US Empire's "extreme ideology" is somehow merely recent, that it was somehow "abducted." No, it's been evolving to this point for decades as research by myself and many others proves. As the Chinese articulate, there is indeed an ideological battle ongoing between Russia, China, and the Evil Outlaw US Empire that Putin seems to have finally decided to accept as reality where before he said there was no longer any such "ideological competition" as he put it. What remains to be announced are the actual stakes in this global confrontation. The evidence increasingly points to the battle being over control of the world's purse strings and who gets to benefit from that control.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 18:20 utc | 105

yemeni wipe out another Saudi Helicopter" seems to me Trump's buddies ain't doing so well in Yemen or Syria..

Now that i understand that the USA has become such a powerful engine(nation state) that it no longer wants to pull just the American train, with just Americans in it, instead the drivers of the powerful USA engine want to line up all of the 206 trains (nation states) in the world, remove their individual trifling engines (nation state governments), and hook up and pull all of the trains and all of the train cars as if the entire train were but one(globalism) .

It is clear to me now; why the USA no longer represents America. The USA it is fighting wars, changing regimes, publishing propaganda and installing military bases all over the world <= that clarifies why the engineers want the other nations in their global rail system to pay their fair share of the operating costs. The burden has become too much for Americans. Once i understood what globalism really meant to Americans, I understood why so much of what the USA does is not only secret but done in places outside of America.. America must reduce itself to just one more railway substation in the global train route system that the the USA operates.

I think there are a lot of Americans that think this one engine pulls all is a bad deal..

Posted by: snake | Nov 29 2019 18:22 utc | 106

juliania @99--

From de Tocqueville its possible to deduce why Fredrick Jackson Turner posited the thesis that the Frontier acted as a "Safety Valve" allowing the nation's elite to diverge from the path taken by the overall polity. Turner's paper was delivered orally to a special meeting of the American Historical Association at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago in 1893, and was subsequently compiled with additional material into The Frontier in American History, where the initial paper is incorporated into Chapter One. My undergrad US History prof is a rebel like myself and placed great emphasis on both Turner and de Tocqueville, and for the former said it was up to me to determine if Turner's paper/thesis was Myth being promoted as genuine History or History being Mythologized--and no taking the easy way out by saying its a mixture of both. I still thank him today for giving me that advice as it formed the basis for my investigative method regarding the study of history--the Objective Truth must be sought regardless of where it resides, no matter how uncomfortable that might prove.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 18:50 utc | 107

While the US tries to hunt and wipe out in Bolivia those amongst equals who had united for the betterment of their life conditions...and because of that they are labelled as uneducated savages who must remain in the plateau, far from politics and government...

In the USA....They take antagonizing your peers and sowing divide and discord to the as you do not have a free neuron to think that you life is so miserable....Poor exhausted unhealthy workers trying to be "winners" for a achieving a good their peers can not, if ot by physicial obstruction...Then....after the go in fornt the TV for another new delivery on the soap opera "Impeachment of a Billionaire by other Billionaires".....I fear Cromagnonic societies were way further civilized and organized to achieve a simple eat...

#BlackFriday2019 "Wonderful" example of alienated and bewitched society to paroxysmal limits, which is delivered to a huge capitalist scam. Today is your day to be another alienated .. what are you waiting for?

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 29 2019 18:50 utc | 108

The NYT spin on the Horowitz report debunked

The NYT is Psyop Central, Daily Disinformation, staffed by the imps and
agents of the empire.

Posted by: evilempire | Nov 29 2019 19:05 utc | 109

@ juliania in #99 who wrote
This absence of or diversion from legitimate free protest is well-deservedly abhorred. This country, like Israel, has become what it previously fought and convened to prevent.

Agreed. I was supportive of Occupy and to watch the way it was shut down was offensive to my belief in the rights of Americans to petition our country for change.

I also believe that is why there is such a big push in the propaganda to turn Americans against each other so there is more inter-myth left/right conflict instead of outright shutting down of rightful complaints against our government.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 29 2019 19:09 utc | 110

Now that we have seen how in the US the workers fight each other almost to death for a way overpayed good they do not need at all, while they have not even vacations, nor health security, nor affordable home and education...and, at the same time, to debunk the carelessly made assertion by The Saker in his last "analysis" on that what existed in Russia before 1917 was a "democracy" under Nicholas II which got overthrow by a "proletariat dictatorship"...( a careless assertion not contested by any of his hypocritical regulars, usually also present here... ).... Some information about workers vacations in the USSR....with illustrative photos on how bad they were doing, how bad time they were having and how sadly and poorly they used to dress...( as Briton Colin Thubron had always told us from his "travels in the USSR"...)

Thread....( Bold in relevant debunking info is mine...)

I will talk (if they let me) about vacations and leisure in the USSR to deny mental misfits (neocons, anarchs and other herbs) that deny even the simplest evidence. In the USSR, yes, people had fun and enjoyed paid vacation periods. THREAD

The Soviet Union was the first country in the world where paid annual vacations were established. Until 1917, Russian law did not provide for annual vacations. A Decree of the Council of People's Commissaries of June 14, 1918, included vacations for the first time.

All Soviets who worked continuously for at least 6 months were entitled to vacations. The introduction of longer vacations for workers with harmful and dangerous working conditions was also allowed.

"Part-time work" paid during vacations was prohibited and unused vacation days were not paid. Compensation was allowed for vacations not enjoyed due to the WWII. The duration of the same was 12 days h. (increased to 15 in 1967).

Workers were offered cash compensation for vacations canceled at state companies and institutions as a result of World War II, money that was accumulated in savings banks until the end of the war (Decree of June 26, 1941).

Where did the Soviets spend their vacations? Gagra, Jurmala, Yevpatoriya, Sochi, Yalta, Pitsunda, Gelendzhik and Anapa were the most popular summer vacation spots in the USSR. They were cities where there were spas or beaches. ⬇️ Soviet youth in the Baltic (Lithuania).

In the mid-1970s, there were about a thousand spas in the Soviet Union. The largest number of them were in the south of the USSR, in Krasnodar, Abkhazia and Crimea. In addition, there were spas on the coast of Riga, in the Altai mountains or near Lake Baikal.

A trip to a spa used to be free or an employee paid a part of it that ranged between 10 and 30% of its cost. The minimum period of stay in the spa was set at 24 days, the maximum at 52 days. Photo: Soviets on the beach of Sochi.

During the day, Soviet vacationers bathed in the sea, sunbathing, skiing in the water, playing volleyball, hiking or visiting local attractions. In the afternoon, they walked along the boardwalk, went to the disco, to concerts or participated in chess tournaments.

For their part, the children of the USSR were offered collective trips on tourist visits. School excursions were organized during all times of the year, especially to heroic cities: Leningrad, Moscow, Kursk, Volgograd, Kiev, Minsk, Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, etc.

In the USSR, young people's summer leisure was under special control. Vouchers for camps were assigned to parents in the workplace and were worth 1 cent. During the 3 months of summer, the children relaxed, learned new things and found friends.

Horrible USSR!

Happy BlackFriday!

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 29 2019 19:17 utc | 111

A lazy Friday --if interested, please post a list of your most influential journalists.

For me -- 1./1.A -- Seymour Hersh, Robert Fisk ... 50 years of enduring relentless criticism and producing extremely important counter-Narrative exposes.

The new generation -- Glenn Greenwald, Max Blumenthal, Gideon Levy ... courageously exposing the truth behind the bullshit of the Corporate Media.

Unto himself -- Julian Assange.

Posted by: chet380 | Nov 29 2019 19:33 utc | 112

Thanks karlof1 @ 106

I think you'd be interested, as I was, to read the introductory remarks of Richard D. Heffner to my paperback truncated de Tocqueville. (It's one reason I'd love to get hold of the two volume set to see what he leaves out.) Heffner wrote this in 1956 and his view of US politics was completely rosy and completely unaware of the tendencies you mention. For example he says:

"...In a singularly brilliant chapter, 'Why Great Revolutions Will Become More Rare' Tocqueville points out that revolutions are made to destroy blatant inequalities. And, admittedly, in democratic America enterprise and the love of wealth will produce a few massive fortunes. But the very poor will also be few in number, and the immense neither-rich-nor-poor majority of the nation will always hold the balance between them. Riches are well-distributed in America, not concentrated, and the American class structure - as the Marxist can never see or accept - is characterized by fluidity rather than by stratification. 'Without being exactly either rich or poor,' then, most men possess 'sufficient property to desire the maintenance of order, yet not enough to excite envy...' ... "

Such it seemed in the mid-fifties, when I was a teenager. I do love that 'always' and that 'never'. It did seem that way then...

Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2019 19:41 utc | 113


Posted by: Political Atheist | Nov 29 2019 19:59 utc | 114

@Posted by: Political Atheist | Nov 29 2019 19:59 utc | 114

Who would had guessed that one day others would make Kissinger and Brzezinsky good....

One would say that some people in the US have rised the stakes so that the previous stalemate is now see nas a desirable outcoem...when it was called "The Cold War"...

For this travel we did not need such saddle return to the same bad point of starting...The thing is that nobody has the guts, less the will, and least the imagination to invent something new....The least, the elites, so much accustomed to their privileges...

Ours will have to be fought to always has been, and as Bolivian situation is so patently showing...Nobody from the elites will come in our help...the least those who give compliments and awards to each other...Our unique strenght will be in our Andronico was telling us yesterday from almost clandestinity in a country where some weeks ago everybody could walk free and have a voice ...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 29 2019 20:23 utc | 115

juliania @113--

Here you are, Democracy in America, 836 pages in PDF format. Almost every book published in English whose copyright is in the public domain is available online, which is rather daunting to know at times since there are so many I've yet to read.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 20:24 utc | 116

"Moscow May Stop Using Nukes as Deterrent Force, Commander of Russian Strategic Missile Forces Says" Although, "Russia’s strategic missile forces will remain the guarantor of Russia’s security until scientists come up with new type of weapons or until the situation on the political arena changes."

Very curious statement; what prompted it? Perhaps there's more at Krasnaya Zvezda where Sputnik picked up the statement. Nuclear powered lasers as the primary deterrent force?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 21:01 utc | 117

Often, the biggest accomplishments are made through the aggregation of numerous small steps. The connecting of Russia and China is one such example, and this engineering project, a bridge spanning the Amur River, one of those small steps. The accompanying video shows a very ascetically pleasing bridge over the rather majestic nature of the icy river. Amazing as it seems, this is the first bridge built to span this natural border between the two allies, which is as noted:

"'The bridge has a strategic importance for us. It is a very serious perspective for our region,' the governor of the Amur Region, Vasily Orlov, said during a special ceremony marking completion of the project [which the video documents]."

The military doctrine of the Evil Outlaw US Empire cannot allow further consolidation of the geoeconomic/geostrategic alliance between China & Russia that sees ever more nations wanting to join them. The question begged: When will the war the Doctrine calls for be waged, or will the Doctrine be revised that admits the reality of the impossibility of winning such a war?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 21:44 utc | 118

@118 karlof1... that bridge is amazing!! kudos to them for making that a new reality..

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2019 21:49 utc | 119

Below is a quote from a ZH article that I don't necessarily trust and am not linking to, nor downloaded the "study", but shows results that are likely accurate, IMO.

A recent survey of 1,000 English-speaking Americans showed that 29.3% of respondents still think the dollar is backed by gold, and another 23.6% have no idea if or what it’s backed by.

Almost a quarter of respondents thought the Federal Reserve’s job was to secure America’s gold reserves.

30% stated the US government backs the US dollar, and 7% responded that “nothing” backs the US dollar. That last one is probably the most accurate response.

It got even worse when respondents were asked about their money in the bank.

27% thought the bank had to hold all their deposits.

And of the people who knew banks are only required to hold a portion of your money in reserve, only 9% realized they hold as little as 2% of your deposits.

Clearly people have no idea how money and banking actually work.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 29 2019 21:51 utc | 120

larry johnson continues to do good work at sst, covering the ongoing get trump memo..
Yes, There Were FBI Informants, But They Were Paid by the CIA

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2019 22:24 utc | 121

psychohistorian @120--

"Clearly people have no idea how money and banking actually work."

I had hopes that would change a tad with the teaching of basic economics at the high school level when the standards were changed in California in the 1990s, but there was still no requirement for potential teachers to learn anything about the subject, although that might have changed by know--not that it would make any difference given the hold Neoliberal dogma has on the publication of all economics texts. What I now know about political-economy has me incensed at the profs I had in my Econ courses--they were all charlatans for Neoliberalism. I taught how banks create "money" via the keyboard when you get any sort of loan--even overdraft protection. I think it was in the Keen interview linked by Grieved where he made the important point that the US Dollar is an instrument of debt and not any sort of a store of value--one of the three requirements for money to be sound.

I think it prudent to review the initial and then repeated arguments against having a Bank of the United States. Recall that throughout history money had to be specie or if paper backed by it to be considered sound--Rome's watering of its coinage is agreed upon as one of the major factors in its downfall. This Coinflation link I've provided before since it shows the worthlessness of the Outlaw US Empire's coinage--the 21st Century 1 Dollar coins contain under 5 cents of metallic value! The 1 Dollar gold coin currently contains $70.82 in metal value--about 1,540 times the metallic value--and some of us know well that the gold price is manipulated to about 1/2 of what it would actually trade for, so double the amount of coinage debasement. As I recall, one of the primary objections to the Bank of the USA was its non-100% ownership by the public, that it would cater to private investors who would own stock and receive dividends. As this item notes, the battle over public versus private finance generated the first political parties--Federalists versus Democratic-Republicans. And to us at least it's clear that political fight still exists.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 22:35 utc | 122

Political Atheist @114: Kissinger gets it.


Kissinger is playing "mediator" but he is 110% on the side of NWO domination by the West. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool.

Kissinger's "mediation" can be likened to USA "mediation" in the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. Which is to say always on Israel's side.

Kissinger tried to "mediator" after the coup in Ukraine also. Russia ignored him and allowed the Donbas rebels to succeed. We now know how much Burisma coveted the opportunity to frack the Donbas.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:12 utc | 123

Anybody see the videos circulating re the "terrorist" attack today on London Bridge? The blond "hero" in a dark coat running a knife away from the crime scene and throwing away a small white bag? So weird.

Posted by: WJ | Nov 29 2019 23:19 utc | 124

You can tell I didn't go shopping! "New Poll Finds Majority of Americans Across Political Spectrum Back Warren's Ultra-Millionaire Tax":

"Sixty-three percent of Americans support the wealth tax, including 77 percent of Democrats, more than half of Independent voters, and 57 percent of Republicans."

Yes, the way it's proposed might cause it to be unconstitutional, but the demographic support shows public demand for action on the wealth divide. Interesting that the article has only a very brief mention of Sanders proposal, which is explained here, and would likely poll in a similar fashion. Do note the author of the Poll was the New York Times which is clearly anti-Sanders and provides a motive for framing its poll around Warren's proposal, not Sanders.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 23:24 utc | 125

chet380 @112: influential journalists

Is Max Blumenthal really a journalist?

He seems to want it both ways: to be a journalist and an activist.

He was arrested because of his activism at the Venezuelan Embassy occupation. But he claims journalistic protections.

He says the arrest has no basis, but he's been quiet about just why he was arrested.

IMO he let down the activists in the Embassy who needed REAL JOURNALISTS to cover the story that they sacrificed a great deal for.

The feckless left still loves him, though. I'm such a shit for even bringing it up. Like principles really mean anything./sarc.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:27 utc | 126

WJ @124

I saw a video that appeared to show the security services back away then one of them shoots the subject as he starts to get up.

It seemed that they just wanted to shoot him.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:29 utc | 127

@ Posted by: chet380 | Nov 29 2019 19:33 utc | 112
@ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:29 utc | 127

Both of you writing about influential journalists at the web site of one of the best as shown by the latest posting about the OPCW outing and no mention of feckless can you be?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 29 2019 23:40 utc | 128

james @121: larry johnson ... covering the ongoing get trump memo.

Like many Trump supporters, Larry believes there was an attempted coup.

Why is it so difficult to believe that every President is a 'hired' to work with the Deep State? Logic and available evidence make a strong case for this.

In which case, Russiagate wasn't about overthrowing Trump, it was about initiating a new McCarthyism as part of a plan to meet the challenge posed by Russia and China.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:41 utc | 129

@129 jackrabbit... i can see a few things here.. i tend to agree with william gruff that trump was an accident, so this throws out the ''deep state is always in control'' meme... now, maybe you are right, but i don't think the deep state is like god and always gets what it wants... but with regard to your last comment - i have no problem accepting that - russiagate was about initiating a new mccarthyism.. however, the way i see it, this was going on prior to muellers investigation beginning more in earnest via the ukraine and syria dynamic... it really wouldn't matter as i see it for trump to be involved.. this meme of 'bad, bad russia' would have come out whether hilary clinton or trump was president... i don't see why it is difficult for you to accept others having a different view of it on the deep state then you... james says the deep state is not god.. you think it is! that is where we differ!!!

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2019 1:37 utc | 130


The Deep State does make mistakes. They made a big mistake with how they treated Russia, for example.

I don't think they make mistakes with the US Presidency, though. That position is just too important.

But in any case. Even if they DID make a mistake, I don't believe in the Trump vs. Deep State meme.

For one thing, that's not Trump. Trump's nature is to be solicitous to the establishment and screw everyone else.

So, you see, it's possible that we are both right (in different ways).


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 1:44 utc | 131


I made a reply to you at the weekend open thread you'll be interested in.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 1:50 utc | 132

Jackrabbit @127

Apparently they shot him because he had a vest.

It seems that the Brits refer to "having a tag" (that is pulled to detonate?) instead of vest.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 1:54 utc | 133

Holodomor: Thou shalt not question Banderite mythology in Canada...

Calls for U of A Lecturer to be Fired For Denying Holodomor

A number of scholars including Mark Tauger have effectively demolished the 'Holodomor' myth. Yes there was a regional famine. No it wasn't an deliberate starvation directed by Uncle Joe Stalin.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 30 2019 1:55 utc | 134

My bud psychohistorian is really jazzed about Ellen Brown's Web of Debt, which can be freely downloaded at the link. My email reply to his asking if I'd read it yet:

"Just downloaded it for no charge! I've been eying it for awhile. You likely saw my comment about the public v private banking issue being as old as the nation as well as the new poll related to the wealth taxes proposed by both Warren and Sanders and public receptivity to them. If ever the time was ripe to make this issue extremely noisy, combined with historical precedent, now would be that time!"

In my considered opinion, the money/wealth/finance issue is at the root of the evil besetting the world; and no, I don't aim this only at bankers that happen to be Jewish as I think that's been used as a massive ruse/red herring for decades by the real criminals. After watching the Keen interview and having read copious amounts of Dr. Hudson's work, I'm convinced as to the veracity of my conviction and intend to explore it, and I hope others will heed the call.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 2:36 utc | 135

To clarify for Jackrabbit. The tag referred to in reports in the London Bridge incident refers to an electronic tag worn around the ankle by convicts released early from prison or as an alternative to prison. Those wearing them would typically have to observe a curfew between certain hours. A suicide vest is a suicide vest in the UK too. Usually The tag he was wearing was, according to reports, because he had been released early from a prison sentence for "terrorism offences"

Posted by: gringo | Nov 30 2019 3:13 utc | 136

I am typically a lurker on this site which is my go to for geopolitics and I visit to be informed. Whilst commenting it would be remiss not to thank B for his vital journalism and the many commentators, too numerous to individually name, for the nuanced and informed discussion in the bar.

Posted by: gringo | Nov 30 2019 3:19 utc | 137

Note to Self: If ever radicalized, do not decide to carry out a random "knife" attack in a public place while wearing a fake suicide vest. You'll be easily and quickly overpowered by the crowd, and the vest will give the police a pretext to execute you anyway.

I mean, are "terrorists" and/or the British public really so stupid?

Posted by: WJ | Nov 30 2019 3:54 utc | 138

Pepe Escobar at his Facebook page suggests reading this article relating Sistani's warning of the impending coup. Pepe: "What Lebanon's Al Akhbar revealed a few months ago is key." PressTV:

"A few months ago, the Lebanese Arabic-language daily newspaper al-Akhbar reported that Iraqi security sources have uncovered a plan [Link at original] seeking to install a military strongman favored by the US by creating a power vacuum in the country."

The attack of the "Third Party" a la Ukraine and elsewhere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 6:02 utc | 139

@ karlof1 with the Web of Debt link

I got my used copy of the 3rd updated edition from Powell's books for $5.95 and would much rather read it this way....let folks know what edition is the download, please and thanks....not sure what the differences are
1st edition July 2007
2nd edition January 2008
3rd expanded edition March 2008
Updated December 2008

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 6:49 utc | 140

psychohistorian @140--

Hey! Just caught your request. Title Page says: "Third Edition Revised and Expanded March 2008 ISBN 978-0-9795608-2-8"

Ellen writes:

"In the half year since this book was first published in July 2007, the banking system has been fracturing rapidly, warranting this 2008 revision and postscript. While I was at it, I refined the prose, eliminated errors, and revised and expanded the solutions section concluding the book. For future updates, see"

Ellen Brown, February 2008

Yes, I prefer a hardcopy, too. But the old dog needs to learn a new trick once in awhile.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 7:14 utc | 141

Below is a short posting about US funding to Ukraine from Xinhuanet

KIEV, Nov. 29 (Xinhua) -- Ukraine has received 43 million U.S. dollars in military assistance from the United States since September in the form of services or ammunition, not funds, the Ukrainian Armed Forces told local media on Friday.

"Communications equipment, cybersecurity means, night vision, medical equipment, various spare parts for received technical equipment worth 43 million U.S. dollars were received from the United States in accordance with previous arrangements from September to November 2019," said a statement from the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Earlier this fall, the United States unblocked the allocation of military assistance for Ukraine worth 250 million dollars. Ukraine was also promised 141.5 million dollars of additional assistance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 7:14 utc | 142

@ karlof1 with the Web of Debt download ISBN which is the same as mine so probably not a big difference

Below is a link from Xinhuanet that I found curious

Maintaining role as RMB trading hub important to City of London, says top policymaker

To me it says that global private finance, with one of the outposts being the City of London Corp, is working hard to prove/market its ongoing relevance.....may it end soon is my hope/desire.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 7:28 utc | 143

gringo @136

Thanks for clarifying that!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 7:45 utc | 144

@ Jackrabbit 8

bevin is one of the names here whom I always read. Yours, Jack, always causes me to skip over the post unread. That's the difference between an always reliably-realistic commentator and a weirdly wrong-headed one. I did read your posts for a while, as one must to try to get a fair estimate who are the real McKay and who are the duds. Sorry, J: in my estimation, you're one of the latter. 'Byeeeee!

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Nov 30 2019 8:51 utc | 145

psychohistorian @143: Yes, that's my take too. I get the impression it has finally dawned on the UK 'elites' that they have done screwed themselves with this Brexit fiasco. Prince Andy getting caught by a blackmail ring because he 'likes 'em young' is no help of course. No wonder the Queen is pissed off. I don't really see that they have much to offer China now. They are going to have to rebuild their 'human capital' to get back in the game. You can't compete these days without smart energetic people, lots of them. The end of the "City of London" is of course devoutly to be wished for.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2019 10:37 utc | 146

Soporific tomes on sleepless night alas sometimes force Walter to look up the chapter end-notes. I therefore looked up the Garrison Interview from Playboy back in those days... It's not familiar to me, in '67 I was preoccupied with staying alive, not reading playboy.

Withal, however, old Jim does well.. Quote>

"What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every asp..."

This is the interview wherein Jim speaks of David Ferrie and cancer virus stuff, according to author Edward Haslam (Dr. Mary's Monkey)

Not that this will shock anybody. maebrussell [dot] com "garrison + playboy" give forth numerous copies.

It's obvious overall that the program produced a weapon. Injectable cancer virus.

I can't wait for my next flu shot...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 11:30 utc | 147

Walter @147: I sortof remember that interview, though I didn't read it much. In '67 I was working as a janitor and going to school when I could. I ran into some cops in LA in the 50s when I was around 9 or ten, new to the city, and they gave me a ticket for not being respectful enough. (I was in a hurry to get home, it was getting dark, there were gangs. And I'm white-as-can-be, but obviously not from money.) I've always known since then what sort of country I lived in, despite the flashy decor.

They talked a lot back then about virus as causes of cancer, I don't see that any more, but I never thought about that much. Nevertheless is seems obvious they do cause tumors. Hmm.

I avoid "health care" as much as possible these days.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2019 12:06 utc | 148

@ 148

Me too.

It has become a vast con-job where, yes, some healing does take place, but that's the bait for the marks to permit the skim.

I think they legalized for-profit in medicine about 1971, and prior to that it was illegal to profit from illnesses. More or less anyway. Wages, reasonable money, but not a racket.

see (YT) "Walking Tour 29: New Orleans, Dr. Mary Sherman's Mysterious Death and Oswald/JFK Connection-" part one, two...

Fidel got a terrible soft tissue cancer, Jack Ruby too, and Brother Hugo who gave that great speech at the UN ("The devil was just here...smell the sulfur..." It's a long series of coincidences...and seem to pass over fascists...something in the blood, no doubt.

See> "CIA Targeted Assassinations by Induced Heart Attack and Cancer
The 1975 Church Committee hearings" @ global research dot ca

and @ quora "Biological Warfare: Is it possible to weaponize cancer?"
(they say yes)

and "cancer-murder-and-new-orleans" in search @american chronicle

Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 12:47 utc | 149

@Jackrabbit #126
It seems you have an idea of a journalist being some form of ivory tower academic, with "truth" as their goal.
I would suggest listening to the Joe Rogan interview with Matt Taibbi to get a better sense of what journalism is today. I have followed Taibbi ever since I discovered him reading The Exile. He is an idealistic journalist in the sense you desire, but he also is a working and realistic one - and talks about how the profession has radically changed with the advent of the internet.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 30 2019 12:56 utc | 150

In "The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State", Engels mentions saturnalia. These are drunken parties in ancient Rome on the occasion of the end of the harvest, when slaves were allowed to eat at the same table with the gentlemen once a year. Doesn’t resemble anything? These are capitalist corporate parties!

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 13:44 utc | 151

"2019 Documentary Winner, Bellingcat – Truth In A Post-Truth World presented by Chris Hedges at the 47th International Emmy® Awards, November 25, 2019 in New York City.

Aye yaye yaye-- Chris Hedges

Posted by: arby | Nov 30 2019 13:56 utc | 152

Funnnnny !

The Hill
has as it's (very large) centerpiece photo on it's front page
a photo of Adam Schiff. The photo has the following words plastered over it:
Adam Schiff's star rises with impeachment hearings

Would that be a Titanic "star"?

Or, if his head were a bright, old-fashioned, incandescent light bulb
it is one second away from flashing it's most brightest
just before it goes *pop* and explodes.

The one-two punch from IG Horowitz and John Durham are imminent and
the aforementioned The Hill front page is going to be a classic!

The Hill front page is preserved at
Tiny URL to it here:

Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2019 14:24 utc | 153

arby | Nov 30 2019 13:56 utc | 152

Old Jim Garrison holding forth on how fairytales and lies are dangerous...

youtube [dot] com/watch?v=ciOl9hGr36M (common intent II)

It's not like he didn't tell us, but then there was the dope and the war and the music...was that also deliberate? Well...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 14:29 utc | 154

On US privatized health system.....

I have one of the best medical insurance in the US (covered by NASA) and I have discovered two things that Spaniards have to understand: 1) Without control, private medical insurance is incredibly expensive 2) Even if you have health insurance, you have to pay for * EVERYTHING * (thread)

Taking into account that here the free market should be regulated, the medical insurance that covers @LoonaLhya and costs me:
- 798.33 euros ** per month ** for primary care
and some extras
- 83.19 euros per month for access to dentist
- 14.45 euros per month for access to ophthalmology.

But well, paying for that pasta, should we have access to everything right? No! Paying that you have to pay for everything you do.
- $ 20 copayment for each doctor visit (consultation or specialist), $ 40 if it turns out that the one who catches you nearby does not work with your particular company.

Hold on now it gets interesting:
- Medications: $ 10 - $ 75 depending on whether they are covered or not.
- Emergency visit in health center: $ 50
- Emergency in hospital (emergency room): $ 100
- Surgery without hospitalization (e.g., a few points): $ 100

- Do you have depression and have to attend to you? $ 200 + $ 20 to stop by the office
- Does your son have autism? Oops, it's not covered. look for other insurance!
- You're almost fine, but do you need rehabilitation? Well, even if you pay $ 1000 a month, we only cover 20%. Bad luck!

You are pregnant?
- $ 200 / ** day ** for the room in maternity area +
- $ 200 for maternity services
+ medications, costs, additional tests ~ $ 2000- $ 3000 dollars. Remember, ** this IF you have insurance **
Hey, I just discovered that you are not charged for breastfeeding, thanks!

All this if you have good insurance. Let's see a delivery with regular insurance:
- C-section cost: $ 3106.28
- Breastfeeding: $ 61.96
- Touch your child after birth (skin to skin): $ 39.35 !!!
Total bill plus hospitalization costs: $ 13,280.
Congratulations! You are born in debt.

Questions and answers:
+ But in Spain it will cost the same, what happens is that we all pay it.
- Error! In Spain, health does not add extra costs to increase the benefits of a company.
You can not give a better service at the same cost if you are taking pasta through.
+ But why do I have to pay if I never get bad?
- I'm glad you enjoy good health, but everyone gets bad at some point. Believe me that thinking about the bank is not what you most want when you are seeing a Powerpoint with photos of your life in front of your eyes.

Some good conclusions the guys reach at the responses below this thread...

It is well known that US health is the most expensive in the world ...

That is another reason why they want to cut us into #Bantustanes

Liquidate Social Security and that Yankee mutuals fall like vultures upon us

And attention to what is probably the goal...apart from monetizing everything so as to keep tax of revenue high...( no wonder each and every right wing and far-right wing parties in the world wear full privatization of health services as manp oint in their "programs" which, btw, are all a carbon copy from each other...

If here it will cost 13,000 euros for delivery, in 20 years there would only be right-wing people because the poor would be extinguished

Now, to reflect why you have been so brainwashed so that willingly collaborate in your own extinction program by voting right wing or far-right wing while you are working the US...or anywhere....

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 14:31 utc | 155

@Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 30 2019 1:55 utc | 134

On the famines and Holodomor hoax...

Fantastic article by @kopamaros

"It is quite simple to see that the famine that occurred was not deliberate or manufactured by Soviet leaders. The famine went completely against the interests of the Soviet Union"

The Holodomor Story

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 14:39 utc | 156

Couple of days after getting the Emmy for truthfull reporting,

Exposed: Bellingcat fabricate evidence, deliberately hide documents in new ‘Russian spy plot’

The UK group caught manipulating data in order to slander actual investigative journalism

Posted by: arby | Nov 30 2019 14:40 utc | 157

Below is a link to an Indian Punchline article dated NOVEMBER 27, 2019 BY M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

US primes NATO to confront Russia, China

There is a lot of conflict in the West and China/Russia seem tighter together than ever is my take away but it is frightening to read about all this militarization.

And I keep wanting to repeat loudly, It is all about public/private finance at the core...why in heck can't we get that out in the open and "have a vote on it"?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 14:45 utc | 158

Let me repeat my last line with more clarity

And I keep wanting to repeat loudly, It is all about public/private finance NOT FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY at the core...why in heck can't we get that out in the open and "have a vote on it"?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 14:47 utc | 159

Sasha said "Now, to reflect why you have been so brainwashed so that willingly collaborate in your own extinction program by voting right wing or far-right wing while you are working the US...or anywhere...."

That has always puzzled me and I remember my Mother saying the same thing many years ago. They recently voted in a right wing buffoon where I live and I am astounded with the speed in which he is cutting everywhere.

Same thing I notice in places like Bolivia and Ecuador. These right wingers waste no time in attacking any and all social services.

Posted by: arby | Nov 30 2019 14:55 utc | 160

arby@ 160, sasha @151: Modern corporations are run precisely like feudal patronage networks, the sort of thing we look down on when it happens overseas. You don't get into the upper reaches on mere competence. (This is obvious these days, isn't it?)

Our entire social structure here has been radically dumbed down precisely out of fear of an educated under-class. And that is what drives all these demented right-wingers cancelling working social welfare programs too. The underclasses are supposed to stay in their place.

When it really went to hell was after the USSR fell. Our 'elites' thought they didn't have to compete anymore: "the end of history". Big mistake for them, and pretty bad for us proles too, but much worse for our victims overseas. Never give the big monkeys the idea they are not going to be accountable for what they do.

If there is any one overarching explanation for Putin's successes aside from his own qualities, it is that he wants to build up his civil-society base, not his military, recognizing that THAT is the source from which security, stability, and all real progress flows.

Posted by: bemildred | Nov 30 2019 15:22 utc | 161

@ Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 14:31 utc | 155

That's essentially because today's liberals (American liberals) are a degenerated form of the post-war American Non-Communist Left (NCL), which was rebranded as the "center-left".

The concept of center-left is entirely a Cold War fabrication. Before 1945, it was essentially the socialists vs the capitalists. The socialist movement suffered a schism during the end of the 19th Century and divided itself into the communists (centerd in Russia) and the social-democrats (centered in Germany). The communists were successful, while the social-democrats were anihilated during 1918-1945. The remanants of the social-democrats then were reabsorbed by the capitalists (liberals) in the West and were rebranded as the "center-left".

It is true, though, that, even before that, during the 1920s and 1930s, much of the social-democrat movement was already more anti-communist than anti-capitalist. That was the case specifically in the Anglo-Saxon world (UK and USA). There's an objective reason for that: during the end of the 19th Century and until the pre-war period, the unions in the main industrialized Western nations achieved unparalled gains for the working class -- so much so that there was a credible case of a peaceful transition to socialism through the institutional (democratic) route. The irony of that is that, in order to preserve this alleged route, they actively supported the purge of the communists and the Cold War, giving up many of their previous gains to the capialists in the process.

Posted by: vk | Nov 30 2019 15:28 utc | 162

Today marks November 30th. The anniversary of the date the last imperialist British soldier was kicked out of southern Yemen lands, which were brutally occupied by the British for 128 yrs. Yemen revolutionaries in the south went on to establish the Socialist state known as PDRY.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:37 utc | 163

No emotions, just a fact: under this flag, he fought against the Red Army in the Civil War so-called "Russian Army" British officer Kolchak, under this flag in the Second World War he fought against the Red Army the so-called "Russian Liberation Army" Vlasov. So what flag are we living under today?

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:41 utc | 164

Les #BlackFriday, c’est aussi ça...!

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:45 utc | 165

#ThanksGiving spirit

This week in 1868, the US army’s General Custer, committed the Washita massacre, slaughtering 100 Cheyenne Native Americans, most of whom were women and children. The Cheyenne village was peaceful, having moved to a “reservation” for a guarantee of safety by the US government.

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:47 utc | 166

Things we never get to know about Russia...unless you get access to a Russian language source...and take your time and trouble to translate what is said there... and this is why what most matter is what they do, not what they say... at party speeches to be broadcast to the national or international public...or wherever....

Denis Manturov supported the introduction of private ownership of the forest. Today, the discussion of the III industry forum “LPC 360 °: from all points of view” was held:

This is at Ministry of Industry official web Russian...which most probably nobody except industrialists and big business people reads....

But, then, if you pay attention to "Echoes of Society"...

Owners have changed at one of the most famous restaurants in the capital - Cafe Pushkin on Tversky Boulevard. Channel One CEO Konstantin Ernst became a co-owner of the restaurant..

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 16:23 utc | 167

Anybody wants to see why we fight, the fight for Russia...straight from the oldtimey horse's , eh "mouth"

Capra! whadda guy!

On YT "Why We Fight: The Battle of Russia"

gold, diamonds iron oil....that's why...oh, not anymore, no sir!

Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 17:02 utc | 168

Do you suppose that Operation Spring Peace is Turkey farmers dedicating fewer Turkeys for the fall harvest? I want my wishbone please.

Posted by: jacksson | Nov 30 2019 17:05 utc | 169

Well, happy holidays to all of you who celebrate them. Here's some comic relief (sort of) that sums it all up: "It's a party in the CIA", Weird Al. Thanks b, for all you do. Cheers, barflies!

Posted by: Shadow | Nov 30 2019 17:38 utc | 170

@Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2019 14:24 utc | 153

Could have mentioned that the article reads like a
trial balloon
for Adam Schiff
as President !!

[insert laugh track here]

Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2019 17:55 utc | 171

c1ue @150: It seems you have an idea of a journalist being some form of ivory tower academic ...

No, that's not true.

You may be interested to know that in two interviews I've seen, when Max B. is asked if his arrest stems from his delivering food to those occupying the Venezuelan Embassy he declines to answer the question. But doesn't object to the question itself! I've also seen a story in an independent, left-leaning publication (not unfriendly to Max B. but much more objective than Greyzone reporting) that definitively states that Max B. was delivering food to occupiers of the Embassy.

The article also states that the person making the charge against Max B. has VIDEO EVIDENCE which may be why Max B. will not answer questions about his activism - despite categorically denying that there any basis for the charges against him!! LOL.

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IMO a journalist is someone that has some degree of independence such that readers trust that they are relaying events somewhat accurately.

There's a fine line between coloring the news and proving your bias. Max B. appears to have crossed that line.

A Journalist that proves that he/she can not remain independent is easily dismissed as a propagandist. And they will be read mostly by those that already agree with their POV (preaching to the choir).

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Activists risk a lot to bring attention to their cause. They NEED real journalists that will tell their story.

Journalists have legal protections and support from various communities because they provide truthful reporting. We don't protect propagandists.

Those who reflexively rally behind Max B., accepting his claim that he's being "persecuted" as a reporter and even likening him to Assange are very very wrong. They do a disservice because AFAICT, Max B. was arrested for his activism, not his reporting.

Lastly, lets say, for argument's sake that Max B.'s arrest was total wrong and he IS being "persecuted" for his reporting - that his activism is just an excuse to harass him. He will still have compromised his ability to reach a larger audience because his activism has shown that he can not contain his bias.

And he may have also compromised his fellow reporters at The Greyzone. It appears that he's bragged about his helping to deliver food to the Embassy occupiers (everyone seems to know that to be true) so THEY KNOW that he crossed that journalistic divide and is essentially waging a political campaign to pressure the government to drop the charges.

Those who AGREE with Max's bias react as though he were a cult leader. And that's why I talk about the 'feckless left' in this case. When principle is less important than sacred cows, we all lose.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 18:56 utc | 172

@Jackrabbit #172
You said in response to my comment that you have this view of journalists as requiring an ivory tower academic objectivity:

No, that's not true.

Then you say:
IMO a journalist is someone that has some degree of independence such that readers trust that they are relaying events somewhat accurately.

While I agree with your sentiment - I also say that there are few, if any, journalists these days that fall under the definition you note above. Certainly almost all of the mainstream journalists.
Again, I suggest you listen to the Joe Rogan interview with Matt Taibbi to understand (at least from Taibbi's view) why this situation has arisen.
As for your comment:
Journalists have legal protections and support from various communities because they provide truthful reporting. We don't protect propagandists.

Sorry, but the second part of the above is patently false. Judith Miller, for example, has done quite well from her Iraq war hatchet job. The same can be said for many, many other "journalists".
The first part is somewhat disingenuous: the First Amendment specifically reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Madison, among others, argued for what you (and I) agree is good journalistic practice, but the Constitution deliberately does not address what constitutes "journalism" - good or bad. It only prohibits the government from passing laws relating to specific areas.
The reality is that propaganda is free speech also.
Again, Rogan and Taibbi talk about the difficulty of defining free speech in order to protect it - and note that US judicial practice has been to allow anything so long as there is not demonstrable direct harm that would result.
You don't like Blumenthal's work or attitudes, don't patronize it or him.
Taibbi and Rogan also go at length about how unConstitutional the social media practices are: they ban people pretty much at will and for whatever reason, yet this is not considered a violation of the First Amendment.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 30 2019 19:23 utc | 173

I would have to respectfully disagree with vk. The socializislsocialism/capitalism paradigm doesn't hold true. First, socialism/Communism has been tried. It's always, "they just didn't do it right". Tell that to Russia, Cambodia and others. Next, the US is not capitalism. It's an admixture of the worst elements of corporatism, cronyism, fascism and socialism. Laissez-Faire, Adam Smith went out with the Dodo and the federal reserve. The US is rotting from the inside out. Empire always overextends. Look for more civil unrest, corruption and decay. From the belly of the beast, cheers!

Posted by: Shadow | Nov 30 2019 19:41 utc | 174

c1ue @173

I've started watching the Rogan interviews. There are two and they are lengthy (the whole show). I haven't yet seen the part that you mention.

There's no question that journalism can be tainted by propaganda. But there's still a fine line. For example, if Judith Miller had done volunteer work for an anti-Saddam organization then it's unlikely that her reporting would've been respected at all.

Also, I don't think the Left (aka "the people") win by emulating the corrupt and immoral practices of the right. They must gain the trust of the people by being moral and holding themselves to higher standards.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 19:49 utc | 175

Joe Rogan Experience #1386 - Matt Taibbi

they talk about epstein, the media and a lot more...

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2019 20:35 utc | 176

in craig murrays speech from the past few days, he talks about how the internet is being more and more run by those who are not interested in freedom of speech and information.. 15 minute talk.. i watched it earlier today... some might enjoy hearing what he says..

Free the Truth – A Short Speech

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2019 20:38 utc | 177

Thanks b for this forum. We all can ignore reality, but the fact is the shits gonna hit the fan. Not if but when. Be prepared my friends. I know I'm not as prosaic or erudite as some here. And I thank you for your comments. The fact is, we seeing a sea change, a turning of the tide, if you will. Best be prepared for the worst.

Posted by: Shadow | Nov 30 2019 20:53 utc | 178

I can't believe I am providing a link below to the American Conservative but they have an article up about Tulsi Gabbard that includes quotes from a report from Brown University that is educational, IMO

Tulsi Gabbard: Wake Up And Smell Our $6.4 Trillion Wars

Read it for some sobering figures about the rape and pillage of the world that has occurred since 9/11

Think about the good that could be done for humanity with that sort of money instead of more wars to keep global private finance in control of the Western world

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 21:06 utc | 179

There are people out there who allegedly love to feed birds....but then think Marxists and Communists have no right to live...and thus willingly engage in "hunting operations" to kill them...

There are people who allegedly love rescuing stray dogs...but then after overthrowing a legitimate government by a military/civic coup d´etat, have killed legitimate president´s dog, and then have slaughtered about 32 indigenous human beings...leaving some thousands more wounded...

Here Janine Añez in full whitewashing campaign of herself with view on the coming "free elections"...Attention to the face expression of the allegedly just "adopted" stray dog...whom she has dressed in military fatigues to fit better with her fascist minions...a poem....

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 22:39 utc | 180

psychohistorian @159--

I appears that the prerequisite to obtaining freedom and democracy is public ownership of the vast majority of financial levers. Without public capture of that essential domain, only some form of penury is possible for the vast majority of commonfolk, leaving only a select hierarchy free, democracy reserved only for their use. Pretty well sums up the current situation within the Evil Outlaw US Empire I'd say.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2019 2:21 utc | 181

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2019 2:21 utc | 181 with the support of my claim that freedom and democracy are the false claims of global private finance...thanks

I do hope you are enjoying your read of Web of Debt. I am half way through the almost 500 pages now and the history of predation by global private finance that it provides is very comprehensive and educational. More should expend the effort to educate themselves with a read of Web of Debt.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2019 2:34 utc | 182

I hope b keeps up with his deleting of OT comments on other threads as I am seeing in the latest OPCW one....GRRRR

I am here to share another quote from Web of Debt by Ellen Brown that supports one of my ongoing claims about the elite rich in our world. But before I provide the quote I want to also mention that Ellen is also a believer in the concept of financial Shock Doctrine events that she describes have occurred in various countries and in the chapter 29 I am reading about America she is suggesting the same which is another of my frequent claims....American bankruptcy because we can't pay the interest on our debt and then subsequent pressure to sell off all public things at rock bottom prices, etc.

The quote
Forbes Magazine reported that from 1997 to 1999, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans grew by an average of $940 million each, for a daily increase of $1.3 million per person. Note that lists of this sort do not include the world's truly richest families, including the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, and a long list of royal families. Whether they consider it to be in bad taste or because they fear retribution from the bottom of the wealth pyramid, the super-elite do not make their fortunes public.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2019 3:41 utc | 183

Many thanks, karlof1 @ 116 - I have bookmarked this, checked the author's introduction against my copy and found it to be in full, except paragraphing differs. But continuing on, a large number of descriptive chapters to enjoy in the pdf. Which I shall!

Posted by: juliania | Dec 1 2019 4:25 utc | 184

Below is another quote from Web of Debt chapter 33 - Maintaining the Illusion which was written in 2008 but is even more applicable today.

For those of you that have been following my reportage of how the US Fed has been operating the REPO program since September, keep that in mind as you read the following Web of Debt quote that includes a quote from a Michael Bolser about the actions of the Fed's Plunge Protection Team:

It may sound odd. but the Fed occasionally gives money ["permanent" repos] to its primary dealers (a list of about thirty financial houses, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, etc.). They never have to pay this money back; thus the primary dealers will pretty much do whatever the Fed asks if they want to stay in the primary dealer's "club".

The exact mechanism of repo use to support the DOW is simple. The primary dealers get repos in the morning issuance....and then buy DOW index futures (a market that is far smaller than the DOW trading volume). These future prices then drive the DOW itself because the larger population of investors think the "insider" futures buyers have access to special information and are "ahead" of the market. Of course they don't have special information.....only special money in the form of repos.

The money used to manipulate the market is "Monopoly" money, funds created from nothing and given for nothing, just to prop up the market. Not only is the DOW propped up but the gold market is held down, since gold is considered a key indicator of inflation. If the gold price were to soar, the Fed would have to increase interest rates to tighten the money supply, impairing the housing market and forcing the government to raise inflation-adjusted for Social Security

My supplement to these quotes is that the world is currently being led to believe that America is not already in a crisis, where this BS perfidy was used after the crash of 2008, but is now being used before the crash that has already started as evidenced by the above.....we all just need more FAITH that things are just peachy.....

Someone needs to pull out that first card of this house of cards......come on China/Russia, do it!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2019 4:52 utc | 185

psychohistorian @182&3--

When I first began learning about IMF & World Bank Structural Adjustment Programs I'd just finished learning the mechanisms behind the Dollar Diplomacy scam/racket from the early 20th Century (Smedley Butler's gig) and saw that they were essentially one and the same in their basis and aim. That led me to conclude at some point those of us within the Imperial Metropole would be subjected to something similar as the Beast is rapacious and its thirst neverending--sounds like some Gods we both know. That was further confirmed as I closely watched the Rape of Russia thanks to the libraries at the University of Hawaii Manoa and the publications they received. So when Shock Doctrine was published, I'd already studied its mechanisms and learned much thanks to Walden Bello.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2019 5:30 utc | 186

Notice how suddenly there are all these uprisings, riots and revolutions (HK, Iraq, Lebanon, and Iran, not to mention Venezuela and Bolivia) and strangely they're all happening under Trump's fascist tyranny. I call that a non coincidence coincidence.

Zionist Robbing Hood Trump, who has no problem taking from Palestinians to give to his Zionist backers is also into stealth regime change coups.

Speaking of cons and swine: You can't turn any man into something that's not lurking inside him already. Don't blame Circe for showing you what's really there: a pussy grabbing swine and con. Once a pig always a pig.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1 2019 5:39 utc | 187

Oh Melania! How can you preach Be Best? Do you really think kids are that stupid? The worst teacher is do as I say; not as I do. Who're you kidding, missy?

I know, you really married a lying, cheating, philandering billionaire (and those were only the obvious facts) for his intelligence and good works. Be best!

So let's see now, a pussy grabber is President and a model who posed without a stitch turned trophy wife is First Lady. Some fine examples for the kiddies.

Amerikkka, you sure come a long way! Finally, you show your true colors!

Maybe now, that everyone understands how fcked up Amerikkkans and their choices are, the global community will stop allowing Amerikkka to be the leader of the world.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 1 2019 6:25 utc | 188

Maybe because I'm Chinese, I find turkey not only tastes tough and awful but also expensive while at it...

Posted by: JW | Dec 1 2019 6:35 utc | 189

Circe | Dec 1 2019 6:25 utc | 188

Yes, though the true colors were always visible (in 1945 it was obvious to my parents), but it's quite naked now, and desperate too, if we accept that violence and conspiracy to make war are hallmarks of desperation.

It was also pretty obvious in the example of the German nazis. I believe it was Primo Levy who wrote of meeting a lady in Auschwitz who said her "crime" was writing a letter to Hitler telling him how the nazi policy would (obvious to her) lead to the utter destruction of Germany. Many Germans, as every one knows, voted for Hitler...but we do not know why...some, obviously, expected Hitler and the fellas to destroy Germany, and liked that idea. Reading V. Klemperer and Bella Fromm one gets the idea that the Auschwitz lady was not alone, merely outspoken. Germany remains suzerain and occupied today.

From this idea we may infer that some people who voted for the clown expected that good man to utterly destroy America.

MAGA was not the only reason the clown got the hotseat...some desired a bull in the china (sorry for the double meaning!) china shop.

Like Steinbeck wrote in Moon is's so easy to wreck a dynamo - if you know how...and the clown is like pouring salt water on a "dynamo". Lights out follows as day follows dawn.

Posted by: Walter | Dec 1 2019 11:58 utc | 190

JW | Dec 1 2019 6:35 utc | 189 Your tastes are reliable.

Maybe because I'm ethnically Scots-German I don't like turkey either...

I used to think the modern examples of T were disagreeable due to breeding. That maybe if I were young I'd like it. Or a different breed might be better...

I then lived where wild T grazed in large groups...back in the hills. A neighbor shot a few and I tasted the wild birds. Terrible. The dog liked it though...

Posted by: Walter | Dec 1 2019 12:13 utc | 191

didn't vote for trump, but preferred him over clinton. you write as if she weren't the greater danger with her constant saber rattling vis a vis russia.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 1 2019 12:29 utc | 192

@ karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 1:50 utc | 132

Made a reply to yourself and juliania subsequently on the same MoA if you're interested.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 1 2019 12:32 utc | 193

Hong Kong riotters...unmasked...

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:04 utc | 194

The pro-American leader of the Hong Kong protests, Joshua Wong, has 48.1% of false followers on Twitter of the nearly 480 thousand who follow him.

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:07 utc | 195

@Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:07 utc | 195

And Twitter does nothing ... when thousands of counts have appeared by packs in your profile and that is cause for suspicious activity and suspension of the account. It is clear who rules over this platform and who controls them.

The same happened in Bolivia as was previously showed...

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:11 utc | 196

It seems that the brudge attack in London is being used as electoral weapon by the Tories...what ammounts, if more was needed, to a false flag more than anything else...


Facts about the false flag of London: 2 dead of whom nothing is known. The knife patsy was thrown to the ground and "disarmed" by "several people". If he was unarmed and reduced, why did the police kill him? The "alibi": wearing a false vest with "explosives".

The "heroes" of the movie who fought with the guy and disarmed him did not see the vest. However, the police "guessed" immediately that the "jihadist" (originally from Pakistan) was wearing a suicide vest that turned out to be "fake" (did they know it in advance?)

Also, a guy was seen walking away with the supposed knife. Why was he allowed to take the knife from the crime scene? In 2017, a similar attack occurred in the same place when "jihadists" with knives wore fake "suicidal" vests.

The useful "dejected" fool was called Usman Khan and had been formerly convicted of terrorism. That is, he was known by the police and secret services (again the same narrative) and linked to "Islamist terrorist groups". Did they have it "controlled" to activate a false flag?

More suspicions about the attacker of the London bridge. Usman Khan was a personal friend of Anjem Choudary, a very tolerated and well-known Islamist ultra-radical preacher in the United Kingdom whom some link to the British secret service MI5.

Choudary was sentenced to 5 and a half years in prison serving less than half of the penalty imposed for supporting ISIS. It is curious that there were journalists and civilian policemen near the scene of the crime. The videos prove that there was more than possible a prepared execution.

If a "Muslim terrorist" is believed to have explosives, there is no real time for the police to jump for him unless they are already by his side, as was the case, where it was safer to immobilize him, not shooting him since the terrorist could have made everyone jump through the air.

The police could observe, when approaching Usman Khan, already disarmed and on the ground, that he had no explosive in his waist and, however, decided to kill him instead of reducing him with brute force. Indeed, the dead do not speak. It is 100% checked.

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:27 utc | 197

Video from Novosibirsk on Victory Day, 2018.

But...this year...Trump is coming for celebrations...

A gang of unknown teenagers has been terrorizing children in Novosibirsk for about a year: they beat and extort money from younger children. Users of social networks write that the parents of the victims have repeatedly complained to the police, but the situation does not change.

May be...they should try the coming Direct Line with Putin....or they have tried already....???

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:36 utc | 198

Pro-family measures in Russia...

“We have nowhere to go”: in Tyumen, a family with five children who haven’t pulled a mortgage is evicted into the street. the Russian stock exchange...

The second block of quasi-treasury shares of Gazprom again went to only one investor, it follows from the Moscow Exchange. So far, an unknown investor bought 188 billion rubles worth of gas from the gas company, with a discount to the market of more than 10%. St. Petersburg....

The vice-governor of St. Petersburg will be the former head of security at Putin's residence in Valdai.

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:50 utc | 199

In Brazil, where people can be easily fooled through Whatsapp and Evangelical Christian prayers for to vote for Bolsonaro fascist government, who, as has been already proved,v only works for corporations and aims at privatizing everything, including education and hekath services, in such rich country...the effects on brutalization of the masses through a year of corporate fascism, so that they can not stop thinking what they just have done to themselves....

Black Friday in Bolsonaro´s Brazil...

Vivan los BRICS and its prospects for the betterment of people´s life conditions...

Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 14:03 utc | 200

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