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November 28, 2019
Open Thread 2019-70
No Turkey for me …
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# 99 The equality. Yes, everybody was able to carry knives or pistols, and many did. People fought all the time…they were equals in power, in part because a stab in the gut, or even a fist fight, often led to death by infection, sepsis. Posted by: Walter | Nov 29 2019 17:56 utc | 101 Chronicles of mass delusions, a.k.a. CounterPunch, NOVEMBER 29, 2019 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2019 18:01 utc | 102 “Terror-Related” London Bridge Attack Leaves 5 Casualties, One Suspect In Custody Posted by: TJ | Nov 29 2019 18:17 utc | 103 Dors @ 31. Had forgotten about O’Colmain for a while. Thx, interesting. Posted by: Noirette | Nov 29 2019 18:19 utc | 104 Strategic Culture editorial, “Henry Kissinger Gets It… US ‘Exceptionalism’ Is Over”: Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 18:20 utc | 105 yemeni wipe out another Saudi Helicopter” seems to me Trump’s buddies ain’t doing so well in Yemen or Syria.. Posted by: snake | Nov 29 2019 18:22 utc | 106 juliania @99– Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 18:50 utc | 107 While the US tries to hunt and wipe out in Bolivia those amongst equals who had united for the betterment of their life conditions…and because of that they are labelled as uneducated savages who must remain in the plateau, far from politics and government…
https://twitter.com/berlinConfid/status/1200365202606301184 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 29 2019 18:50 utc | 108 The NYT spin on the Horowitz report debunked Posted by: evilempire | Nov 29 2019 19:05 utc | 109 @ juliania in #99 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 29 2019 19:09 utc | 110 Now that we have seen how in the US the workers fight each other almost to death for a way overpayed good they do not need at all, while they have not even vacations, nor health security, nor affordable home and education…and, at the same time, to debunk the carelessly made assertion by The Saker in his last “analysis” on that what existed in Russia before 1917 was a “democracy” under Nicholas II which got overthrow by a “proletariat dictatorship”…( a careless assertion not contested by any of his hypocritical regulars, usually also present here… )…. Some information about workers vacations in the USSR….with illustrative photos on how bad they were doing, how bad time they were having and how sadly and poorly they used to dress…( as Briton Colin Thubron had always told us from his “travels in the USSR”…)
Horrible USSR! Posted by: Sasha | Nov 29 2019 19:17 utc | 111 A lazy Friday –if interested, please post a list of your most influential journalists. Posted by: chet380 | Nov 29 2019 19:33 utc | 112 Thanks karlof1 @ 106 Posted by: juliania | Nov 29 2019 19:41 utc | 113 INTERESTING REMARKS: Posted by: Political Atheist | Nov 29 2019 19:59 utc | 114 @Posted by: Political Atheist | Nov 29 2019 19:59 utc | 114 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 29 2019 20:23 utc | 115 juliania @113– Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 20:24 utc | 116 “Moscow May Stop Using Nukes as Deterrent Force, Commander of Russian Strategic Missile Forces Says” Although, “Russia’s strategic missile forces will remain the guarantor of Russia’s security until scientists come up with new type of weapons or until the situation on the political arena changes.” Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 21:01 utc | 117 Often, the biggest accomplishments are made through the aggregation of numerous small steps. The connecting of Russia and China is one such example, and this engineering project, a bridge spanning the Amur River, one of those small steps. The accompanying video shows a very ascetically pleasing bridge over the rather majestic nature of the icy river. Amazing as it seems, this is the first bridge built to span this natural border between the two allies, which is as noted: Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 21:44 utc | 118 @118 karlof1… that bridge is amazing!! kudos to them for making that a new reality.. Posted by: james | Nov 29 2019 21:49 utc | 119 Below is a quote from a ZH article that I don’t necessarily trust and am not linking to, nor downloaded the “study”, but shows results that are likely accurate, IMO. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 29 2019 21:51 utc | 120 larry johnson continues to do good work at sst, covering the ongoing get trump memo.. Posted by: james | Nov 29 2019 22:24 utc | 121 psychohistorian @120– Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 22:35 utc | 122 Political Atheist @114: Kissinger gets it. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:12 utc | 123 Anybody see the videos circulating re the “terrorist” attack today on London Bridge? The blond “hero” in a dark coat running a knife away from the crime scene and throwing away a small white bag? So weird. Posted by: WJ | Nov 29 2019 23:19 utc | 124 You can tell I didn’t go shopping! “New Poll Finds Majority of Americans Across Political Spectrum Back Warren’s Ultra-Millionaire Tax”: Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2019 23:24 utc | 125 chet380 @112: influential journalists Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:27 utc | 126 WJ @124 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:29 utc | 127 @ Posted by: chet380 | Nov 29 2019 19:33 utc | 112 Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 29 2019 23:40 utc | 128 james @121: larry johnson … covering the ongoing get trump memo. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 29 2019 23:41 utc | 129 @129 jackrabbit… i can see a few things here.. i tend to agree with william gruff that trump was an accident, so this throws out the ”deep state is always in control” meme… now, maybe you are right, but i don’t think the deep state is like god and always gets what it wants… but with regard to your last comment – i have no problem accepting that – russiagate was about initiating a new mccarthyism.. however, the way i see it, this was going on prior to muellers investigation beginning more in earnest via the ukraine and syria dynamic… it really wouldn’t matter as i see it for trump to be involved.. this meme of ‘bad, bad russia’ would have come out whether hilary clinton or trump was president… i don’t see why it is difficult for you to accept others having a different view of it on the deep state then you… james says the deep state is not god.. you think it is! that is where we differ!!! Posted by: james | Nov 30 2019 1:37 utc | 130 james Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 1:44 utc | 131 juliania– Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 1:50 utc | 132 Jackrabbit @127 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 1:54 utc | 133 Holodomor: Thou shalt not question Banderite mythology in Canada… Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 30 2019 1:55 utc | 134 My bud psychohistorian is really jazzed about Ellen Brown’s Web of Debt, which can be freely downloaded at the link. My email reply to his asking if I’d read it yet: Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 2:36 utc | 135 To clarify for Jackrabbit. The tag referred to in reports in the London Bridge incident refers to an electronic tag worn around the ankle by convicts released early from prison or as an alternative to prison. Those wearing them would typically have to observe a curfew between certain hours. A suicide vest is a suicide vest in the UK too. Usually The tag he was wearing was, according to reports, because he had been released early from a prison sentence for “terrorism offences” Posted by: gringo | Nov 30 2019 3:13 utc | 136 I am typically a lurker on this site which is my go to for geopolitics and I visit to be informed. Whilst commenting it would be remiss not to thank B for his vital journalism and the many commentators, too numerous to individually name, for the nuanced and informed discussion in the bar. Posted by: gringo | Nov 30 2019 3:19 utc | 137 Note to Self: If ever radicalized, do not decide to carry out a random “knife” attack in a public place while wearing a fake suicide vest. You’ll be easily and quickly overpowered by the crowd, and the vest will give the police a pretext to execute you anyway. Posted by: WJ | Nov 30 2019 3:54 utc | 138 Pepe Escobar at his Facebook page suggests reading this article relating Sistani’s warning of the impending coup. Pepe: “What Lebanon’s Al Akhbar revealed a few months ago is key.” PressTV: Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 6:02 utc | 139 @ karlof1 with the Web of Debt link Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 6:49 utc | 140 psychohistorian @140– Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 7:14 utc | 141 Below is a short posting about US funding to Ukraine from Xinhuanet Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 7:14 utc | 142 @ karlof1 with the Web of Debt download ISBN which is the same as mine so probably not a big difference Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 7:28 utc | 143 @ Jackrabbit 8 Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Nov 30 2019 8:51 utc | 145 psychohistorian @143: Yes, that’s my take too. I get the impression it has finally dawned on the UK ‘elites’ that they have done screwed themselves with this Brexit fiasco. Prince Andy getting caught by a blackmail ring because he ‘likes ’em young’ is no help of course. No wonder the Queen is pissed off. I don’t really see that they have much to offer China now. They are going to have to rebuild their ‘human capital’ to get back in the game. You can’t compete these days without smart energetic people, lots of them. The end of the “City of London” is of course devoutly to be wished for. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2019 10:37 utc | 146 Soporific tomes on sleepless night alas sometimes force Walter to look up the chapter end-notes. I therefore looked up the Garrison Interview from Playboy back in those days… It’s not familiar to me, in ’67 I was preoccupied with staying alive, not reading playboy. Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 11:30 utc | 147 Walter @147: I sortof remember that interview, though I didn’t read it much. In ’67 I was working as a janitor and going to school when I could. I ran into some cops in LA in the 50s when I was around 9 or ten, new to the city, and they gave me a ticket for not being respectful enough. (I was in a hurry to get home, it was getting dark, there were gangs. And I’m white-as-can-be, but obviously not from money.) I’ve always known since then what sort of country I lived in, despite the flashy decor. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2019 12:06 utc | 148 @ 148 Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 12:47 utc | 149 @Jackrabbit #126 Posted by: c1ue | Nov 30 2019 12:56 utc | 150
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1200684407281111041 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 13:44 utc | 151 “2019 Documentary Winner, Bellingcat – Truth In A Post-Truth World presented by Chris Hedges at the 47th International Emmy® Awards, November 25, 2019 in New York City. Posted by: arby | Nov 30 2019 13:56 utc | 152 Funnnnny ! Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2019 14:24 utc | 153 arby | Nov 30 2019 13:56 utc | 152 Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 14:29 utc | 154 On US privatized health system…..
Some good conclusions the guys reach at the responses below this thread…
https://twitter.com/palmend/status/1200484058389766145
https://twitter.com/GottliebErloser/status/1200712748151267330
https://twitter.com/Migue24731857/status/1200526151749447681 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 14:31 utc | 155 @Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 30 2019 1:55 utc | 134
https://twitter.com/unikgirl11/status/1198456003668447232 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 14:39 utc | 156 Couple of days after getting the Emmy for truthfull reporting, Posted by: arby | Nov 30 2019 14:40 utc | 157 Below is a link to an Indian Punchline article dated NOVEMBER 27, 2019 BY M. K. BHADRAKUMAR Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 14:45 utc | 158 Let me repeat my last line with more clarity Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 14:47 utc | 159 Sasha said “Now, to reflect why you have been so brainwashed so that willingly collaborate in your own extinction program by voting right wing or far-right wing while you are working class…in the US…or anywhere….” Posted by: arby | Nov 30 2019 14:55 utc | 160 arby@ 160, sasha @151: Modern corporations are run precisely like feudal patronage networks, the sort of thing we look down on when it happens overseas. You don’t get into the upper reaches on mere competence. (This is obvious these days, isn’t it?) Posted by: bemildred | Nov 30 2019 15:22 utc | 161 @ Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 14:31 utc | 155
https://twitter.com/mosagrey/status/1200743872135077890 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:37 utc | 163
https://twitter.com/ramon_merkader/status/1200732302025928704 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:41 utc | 164
https://twitter.com/LEDOUAISIEN/status/1199983532644425729 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:45 utc | 165 #ThanksGiving spirit
https://twitter.com/Americas_Crimes/status/1200306703536926720 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 15:47 utc | 166 Things we never get to know about Russia…unless you get access to a Russian language source…and take your time and trouble to translate what is said there… and this is why what most matter is what they do, not what they say… at party speeches to be broadcast to the national or international public…or wherever….
https://twitter.com/minpromtorg_rus/status/1200062269389979648
https://twitter.com/ru_rbc/status/1200084446667395072 Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 16:23 utc | 167 Anybody wants to see why we fight, the fight for Russia…straight from the oldtimey horse’s , eh “mouth” Posted by: Walter | Nov 30 2019 17:02 utc | 168 Do you suppose that Operation Spring Peace is Turkey farmers dedicating fewer Turkeys for the fall harvest? I want my wishbone please. Posted by: jacksson | Nov 30 2019 17:05 utc | 169 Well, happy holidays to all of you who celebrate them. Here’s some comic relief (sort of) that sums it all up: “It’s a party in the CIA”, Weird Al. Thanks b, for all you do. Cheers, barflies! Posted by: Shadow | Nov 30 2019 17:38 utc | 170 @Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2019 14:24 utc | 153 Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2019 17:55 utc | 171 c1ue @150: It seems you have an idea of a journalist being some form of ivory tower academic … Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 18:56 utc | 172 @Jackrabbit #172
Then you say:
While I agree with your sentiment – I also say that there are few, if any, journalists these days that fall under the definition you note above. Certainly almost all of the mainstream journalists.
Sorry, but the second part of the above is patently false. Judith Miller, for example, has done quite well from her Iraq war hatchet job. The same can be said for many, many other “journalists”.
Madison, among others, argued for what you (and I) agree is good journalistic practice, but the Constitution deliberately does not address what constitutes “journalism” – good or bad. It only prohibits the government from passing laws relating to specific areas. Posted by: c1ue | Nov 30 2019 19:23 utc | 173 I would have to respectfully disagree with vk. The socializislsocialism/capitalism paradigm doesn’t hold true. First, socialism/Communism has been tried. It’s always, “they just didn’t do it right”. Tell that to Russia, Cambodia and others. Next, the US is not capitalism. It’s an admixture of the worst elements of corporatism, cronyism, fascism and socialism. Laissez-Faire, Adam Smith went out with the Dodo and the federal reserve. The US is rotting from the inside out. Empire always overextends. Look for more civil unrest, corruption and decay. From the belly of the beast, cheers! Posted by: Shadow | Nov 30 2019 19:41 utc | 174 c1ue @173 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 30 2019 19:49 utc | 175 Joe Rogan Experience #1386 – Matt Taibbi Posted by: james | Nov 30 2019 20:35 utc | 176 in craig murrays speech from the past few days, he talks about how the internet is being more and more run by those who are not interested in freedom of speech and information.. 15 minute talk.. i watched it earlier today… some might enjoy hearing what he says.. Posted by: james | Nov 30 2019 20:38 utc | 177 Thanks b for this forum. We all can ignore reality, but the fact is the shits gonna hit the fan. Not if but when. Be prepared my friends. I know I’m not as prosaic or erudite as some here. And I thank you for your comments. The fact is, we seeing a sea change, a turning of the tide, if you will. Best be prepared for the worst. Posted by: Shadow | Nov 30 2019 20:53 utc | 178 I can’t believe I am providing a link below to the American Conservative but they have an article up about Tulsi Gabbard that includes quotes from a report from Brown University that is educational, IMO Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2019 21:06 utc | 179 There are people out there who allegedly love to feed birds….but then think Marxists and Communists have no right to live…and thus willingly engage in “hunting operations” to kill them… Posted by: Sasha | Nov 30 2019 22:39 utc | 180 psychohistorian @159– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2019 2:21 utc | 181 @ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2019 2:21 utc | 181 with the support of my claim that freedom and democracy are the false claims of global private finance…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2019 2:34 utc | 182 I hope b keeps up with his deleting of OT comments on other threads as I am seeing in the latest OPCW one….GRRRR Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2019 3:41 utc | 183 Many thanks, karlof1 @ 116 – I have bookmarked this, checked the author’s introduction against my copy and found it to be in full, except paragraphing differs. But continuing on, a large number of descriptive chapters to enjoy in the pdf. Which I shall! Posted by: juliania | Dec 1 2019 4:25 utc | 184 Below is another quote from Web of Debt chapter 33 – Maintaining the Illusion which was written in 2008 but is even more applicable today. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2019 4:52 utc | 185 psychohistorian @182&3– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2019 5:30 utc | 186 Notice how suddenly there are all these uprisings, riots and revolutions (HK, Iraq, Lebanon, and Iran, not to mention Venezuela and Bolivia) and strangely they’re all happening under Trump’s fascist tyranny. I call that a non coincidence coincidence. Posted by: Circe | Dec 1 2019 5:39 utc | 187 Oh Melania! How can you preach Be Best? Do you really think kids are that stupid? The worst teacher is do as I say; not as I do. Who’re you kidding, missy? Posted by: Circe | Dec 1 2019 6:25 utc | 188 Maybe because I’m Chinese, I find turkey not only tastes tough and awful but also expensive while at it… Posted by: JW | Dec 1 2019 6:35 utc | 189 Circe | Dec 1 2019 6:25 utc | 188 Posted by: Walter | Dec 1 2019 11:58 utc | 190 JW | Dec 1 2019 6:35 utc | 189 Your tastes are reliable. Posted by: Walter | Dec 1 2019 12:13 utc | 191 didn’t vote for trump, but preferred him over clinton. you write as if she weren’t the greater danger with her constant saber rattling vis a vis russia. Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 1 2019 12:29 utc | 192 @ karlof1 | Nov 30 2019 1:50 utc | 132 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Dec 1 2019 12:32 utc | 193 Hong Kong riotters…unmasked… Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:04 utc | 194 The pro-American leader of the Hong Kong protests, Joshua Wong, has 48.1% of false followers on Twitter of the nearly 480 thousand who follow him. Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:07 utc | 195 @Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:07 utc | 195 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:11 utc | 196 It seems that the brudge attack in London is being used as electoral weapon by the Tories…what ammounts, if more was needed, to a false flag more than anything else…
Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:27 utc | 197
https://twitter.com/kopamaros/status/999698529894522880
https://twitter.com/ntvru/status/1199583199111917568 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:36 utc | 198 Pro-family measures in Russia…
https://twitter.com/72ru/status/1199148663253147648
https://twitter.com/ForbesRussia/status/1197839971895447552
https://twitter.com/the_ins_ru/status/1199005878604771332 Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 13:50 utc | 199 In Brazil, where people can be easily fooled through Whatsapp and Evangelical Christian prayers for to vote for Bolsonaro fascist government, who, as has been already proved,v only works for corporations and aims at privatizing everything, including education and hekath services, in such rich country…the effects on brutalization of the masses through a year of corporate fascism, so that they can not stop thinking what they just have done to themselves…. Posted by: Sasha | Dec 1 2019 14:03 utc | 200 |
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