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November 13, 2019

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Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 13 2019 16:35 utc | 1

Is Donald Trump to be the last President of the US of A?

Posted by: librul | Nov 13 2019 17:07 utc | 2

Please illustrate a situation where the executive branch/office of the USA would be suddenly discontinued...

Posted by: Chevrus | Nov 13 2019 17:33 utc | 3

Chevrus @3--

5-mile diameter asteroid strike atop the White House without any warning whatsoever ought to do the deed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 17:48 utc | 4

Killing the president wouldn't kill the presidency any more efficiently than was done in Bolivia.

Posted by: Vonu | Nov 13 2019 18:00 utc | 5

An excellent read on the MAX saga that Baconator pointed to...

Often I expect these stories in the media to get important technical details wrong...but here we see that this writer did his homework...

I have said this many times before, but the MCAS system is NOT an anti-stall is there solely for the purpose of providing the right kind of stick feel to the pilot...

“On most airplanes, as you approach stall you can feel it,” a veteran pilot for a U.S. commercial carrier told me.

Instead of the steadily increasing force on the control column that pilots were used to feeling—and that F.A.A. guidelines required—the new engines caused a loosening sensation.

This is exactly it...and this is why I have to wonder how exactly is MCAS going to be cleared to fly again...since the original, much less authoritative version was found inadequate in providing the stick force required...and the rejigged production version proved to be a surefire killer if it kicked in at low altitudes such as takeoff...

We recall that Captain Sullenberger called the MAX a 'death trap'...

So clearly the system's authority has to be dialed which case the airplane handling qualities do not meet established requirements...

The story here tells of the struggle that the family of Ralph Nader's grand-niece, who perished in the Ethiopian flight, is waging to 'axe the max'...

Hopefully they will succeed, but I doubt it..the MAX can never be a good airplane...full stop...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 13 2019 18:12 utc | 6

Inadvertently today I found myself trapped into listening for a couple of minutes to the nonsense that Schiff was spouting in the House of Horrors.
It is almost incredible that what he was doing, in essence, was to draw attention to the two great facts in this case, the first being the gangster Maidan coup, which the US no longer even pretends not to have brought about for its own purposes, and the second, the way in which the Vice President and his family set about profiting, personally, from the looting of every Ukrainian's fortune-every family's healthcare, pension plan, utility bill, home. In this case by saddling the people, dependent on gas heat to see them through the winter, with millions to be paid to Hunter Biden, friends of John Kerry and other assorted profiteers.
Like 'b' I find it almost impossible to believe that the Democrats are opening this can of worms and feeding it to the world.
But then I wonder if, perhaps, these people do not know something that foreigners cannot know, something about the societal stupidity and institutional ignorance for which the only country ever known to have supported "No Nothing" candidates is famous.
Perhaps Schiff and Pelosi know what they are doing and what they are doing is based upon HL Mencken's dictum:
"Nobody ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

Posted by: bevin | Nov 13 2019 18:12 utc | 7

@Please illustrate a situation where the executive branch/office of the USA would be suddenly discontinued...

Posted by: Chevrus | Nov 13 2019 17:33 utc | 3

Just found your query. Quick and dead-on response is a major EMP event, but that is not what I had in mind.
Let me see if I can work up another, but necessarily lengthier response.

Posted by: librul | Nov 13 2019 18:28 utc | 8

As I noted on the Bolivia thread, BRICS is having its Summit today & tomorrow in Brasilia, and will likely be the most important of its brief life. So far, just this report:

"The heads of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa will discuss issues related to economic, financial and cultural cooperation as well as arms control and joint efforts to counter terrorism.

"The leaders of the five member-states are to attend the BRICS Business Forum, and meet with the BRICS Business Council and the heads of the New Development Bank.

"In addition, Vladimir Putin will hold a number of bilateral meetings with the heads of state and government taking part in the summit."

I expect the atmosphere to be tense.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 18:35 utc | 9

librul @2 ending of the US of A?

No! But there will be a new "civil war" in the US around the mid of the next decade. Split occuring not south to north, but west to east; chaos further increased by immigrants from the middle & south Americas with their own agenda.

Forces (land & air), militia & DHS people of the eastern party may seek secure backing near frontier to Canada (area of Great Lakes therefore save). Some of the 'big capitalists' who feel more international than patriot will flee to outer South America (Argentinia, Chile).

Eventually a dead president (for that and for the civil war please look into cycles of US-history). Peace will come with the first female president. Keep watch on Tulsi Gabbard (but may be also another lady - as I am in Europe I am not familiar with all probable coming female candidates).

Why no permanent split of the States? There are internal benefits (common traffic, markets etc.) but more it is the outside pressure: to be able to compete with China it is a necessity for the States to remain united. Also the coming chaos in Europe and Russia demands unification of the US.

Now a very strange remark: some elites in the US have already accepted, even promote the tendency toward "civil war" to enable a 'reset' of the political, economical and social structure of the country. Furthermore, a seemingly weak US with a split in the military may lead Russia in temptation to make some mistake (towards Ukraine and Europe). And now a very, very strange remark: while some forces in the homeland are caught in civil disorder some other forces in the overseas may be involved in a foreign war. Extremely pointed out: the coming civil war in a very specific manner is a fake (to deceive and trap Russia - of course not Putin but his followers).

Today I had a look into George Friedman's book about the next hundred years. For the first view there is a lot of nonsense (disintegration of China etc.). But I agree that the power of the US will be restored during the century. And if not the same power as it was in the 1990s, then in every case the internal stability of the USA is completely guaranteed.

With greetings from Germany and with thanks to Bernhard for his valuable work, Gerhard

Posted by: Gerhard | Nov 13 2019 18:36 utc | 10

bevin @7:

Like 'b' I find it almost impossible to believe that the Democrats are opening this can of worms and feeding it to the world.

Just don't claim (like I do) that Russiagate and Ukrainegate are kayfabe courtesy of Deep State 'managed democracy' or you're a nutcase that everyone will ignore.

Nah, just sit back and enjoy while the Democratic Party cuts its own throat for over the Ukrainegate nothingburger which will see no one held accountable for anything.

A partisan witch-hunt less than a year before the 2020 Election? Double-plus good for Trump's re-election.

But the possibility of a set-up is INCONCEIVABLE to naval-gazing Kool-Aid drinkers.

It's gotta be real because Bloomberg wants to join the Democratic race!

Just as he wanted to join the race in 2016? His intention to do so also underscored the reality of THAT race. Rinse, repeat. LOL. The dumbf*cks won't notice.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2019 18:45 utc | 11

@ 11 jackrabbit.. you can claim that too and i am not ignoring you! i agree with bevin and b how this is insane what the dems are doing, but the whole usa political scenario is insane... at the same time i get cranky with regard to everything being laid at the deep states feet when no one can articulate just what the deep state is.. in fact, i think there are a number of powerful players running at cross purposes to each other, so i don't think it is as easy as you make out laying it all at the feet of this 'deep state'... sure, the political process is mostly a charade and i doubt it matters much who wins at this point...

but, i do think the usa continues to slide into a more precarious place that coincides with a multi polar world that the usa is also very resistant to... as for the people of the usa - maybe many of them are easily manipulated, but not all of them.. it is the same around the world... how does one explain how the protesters in bolivia or honk kong are so easily duped? no.. i think generally people are easily duped, but not all people..

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2019 18:51 utc | 12

Karlof1 @ 9 --
"I expect the atmosphere to be tense..."

I do, as well. Though I imagine certain leaders might feel a temptation to suspend Brazil's membership, doing so would illustrate a structural weakness to be overcome by any legitimate multipolar body. That is, if the Empire is able to turn just one member (in this case Brazil), it may be used to weaken the organization as a whole.

Having just a limited exposure to Putin's approach to multipolarity, my understanding is that it is to be accepted that sovereign countries evolve along their own trajectories (as opposed to being subjected to "universal" "liberal" principles). If Brazil or Turkey decide that this means playing both sides off each other, it will be interesting to see whether there are any principled (as opposed to realpolitical or pragmatic) objections that Russia might offer.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Nov 13 2019 19:12 utc | 13


I'll make it easy for you.

Deep State: the unusual behavior and strange coincides driven by a small number of very well connected people that make little sense but advance the interests of the establishment.

Full-Spectrum Dominance (FSD) means controlled opposition everywhere. FSD in practice:

> Political kayfabe
Hillary makes mistakes that help elect Trump. Trump helps to get Pelosi elected as House Speaker.

> Compromising whistle-blowers
The Intercept turns in whistle-blowers.

> Co-opting dissent
Max B. as the new Assange.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2019 19:21 utc | 14

@11 jackrabbit

Jackrabbit...where do you live in the US?

The reason I ask is because I have heard a load of bull about Russia's plans to Russianize the world and that Trump is his pawn since day -167 of his inauguration. I have heard this from coworkers, from friends, from family, seen it on Reddit, read it on neolib outlets like slate and the like. I'm wondering if you live in Trump country and just don't hear or see the Russophobia being played out in the beltway and on the elitest coastlines.

Trust me when I say that the dems played the right card, albeit a desperate one, when they started with the whole Russiagate nonsense. To you and I, b and others, Russiagate is nonsense. But tell that to the average dem or moron yuppie in their towers along our shining seas.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 13 2019 19:22 utc | 15

Please illustrate a situation where the executive branch/office of the USA would be suddenly discontinued...

Posted by: Chevrus | Nov 13 2019 17:33 utc | 3

An imminent one-two punch from IG Horowitz and John Durham has powerful players quaking
in their boots.

9/11 saw Americans willingly surrendering rights;
accepting a pack of lies, a myth, to explain the event;
militarism becoming the refuge for American's safety.

What are the limits of the rights that Americans are next willing to surrender?
**What are those limits?**
The Resistance, Democrats, no longer respects democratic rights -
no thought to the millions of voters that they would disenfranchise if
the nullification of Trump's election were successful via a coup (impeachment).

Five years ago would you have imagined that Democratic voters would be so cavalier
about democratic rights? So willing to accept the vacuous accusation that our
President is a Russian agent. Would resurrect the CIA - the torturing, kidnapping,
assassinating, war promoting, false flag creating, disinformation spewing CIA, - and ravenously swallow endless streams of McCarthyist propaganda.

How fast,how far, can we spiral downwards? Is the seizure of power too far down the spiral
to imagine? Five years ago would you have imagined the current decent of Democrats we have witnessed?

If the pretext, the myth, of the necessity of seizing power, were echoed by the mouthpiece MSM
would Democrats go along? Americans have surrendered rights in our near lifetime. Americans
worship militarism and their military heroes more than ever before. Americans have swallowed
hook-line-and-sinker the new-McCathyism and "Putin is an evil man".

An imminent one-two punch from IG Horowitz and John Durham has powerful players quaking
in their boots. To answer your question, I cannot imagine what players like John Brennan
are scheming. But as you know 9/11 was not beyond their criminal limit or capability.

Posted by: librul | Nov 13 2019 19:25 utc | 16

Paul Damascene @13: I generally share your view, about Putin's view, but I don't think Putin minds Erdogan playing both sides, Bolsonaro, yeah, but not Erdogan, he can play games with us all he wants. Keeps us distracted, and Erdogan doesn't like us "taking the oil", and we can't get in a shooting war with him, he's NATO. He's the military counter-balance to the Pentagon in Syria that Russia cannot be. So I think he will be thrashing around in N. Syria with Putin's consent until we leave (as long as he doesn't pick a fight with Assad.)

Bolsonaro he may see as something to wait for the end of.

It will be interesting and possibly informative to see what comes out of this meeting.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 13 2019 19:27 utc | 17

Paul Damascene @13--

Thanks for your reply! Note that the main event is the Business Forum, which is an arena where genuine national interests usually reign. As you're likely aware, BRICS was formulated as an instrument to facilitate development via commerce and mutual investment and that its first major joint accomplishment was the formulation of the BRICS Development Bank to bypass the IMF, World Bank and the dollar dominated international trade regime. I found it curious that Global Times had zero articles on its main page related to the Summit, while Xinhuanet ran this short commentary overview which amounts to a short recap and cheerleading. We'll need to await the presser this evening to get a better feel.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 19:33 utc | 18


I live in the 'elite' haven of Northeast USA. LOL.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2019 19:41 utc | 19

You make an interesting point librul... It reminds me of the whole continuity of government scheme. 'In case of _____, break glass an impose martial law or whatever the manufactured disaster calls for. The fact that the north woods 911 bit worked is a testament to just how far the ptb are willing to go. You know, in regard to the USA perspective I can tell you from first hand experience that a steady diet of agitation propaganda as well loads of distraction have rendered a majority of the population easily lead no matter what stripes they might be wearing. Selling Russia as the bad bad guy was easy. Look if a large group of people buy the Bin Laden hit then the sky is the limit.

The 5 mile asteroid would pose a serious problem to most mammals, but given the amount of species self loathing being pedaled about.... My point about the executive branch and the question of 'is he the last' hinges on the fact that the president does nothing which is not somewhat scripted. We know what happens when they go "off the Rez"...

Posted by: Chevrus | Nov 13 2019 19:42 utc | 20

Jackrabbit #14

"the Intercept turns in whistle-blowers"

That is why it was so named and why some journalists departed so promptly after commencing. It is fly paper.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 13 2019 19:45 utc | 21

Below is a ZH quote about the meeting with Trump and Erdogan today
"It's a great honor to be with President Erdogan... the ceasefire is holding very well, we've been speaking to the Kurds and they seem to be very satisfied, as you know we pulled back our troops quite a while ago..."

"I want to thank the President for the job they've [Turkey] done in Syria," Trump said of Erdogan.

And on that note, he already addressed the rationale for continued US troop presence in Syria, saying with Erdogan sitting next to him: "We are keeping the oil. We have the oil. The oil is secure. We left troops behind only for the oil."

To those Trump supporters, I would appreciate understanding how the keep the oil fits in with you saying Trump wants to get out of Syria?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2019 19:56 utc | 22

'Deep State' is just a convenient way of labeling something we can also call 'the illuminati', or 'the globalists', or 'the one percent', or 'Big Brother', etc.. We know that there are hidden powers. Some call them reptilians. Who knows? We can tell that they are there, though we cannot say exactly who they are and how they constitute their coherence, how they organize themselves. We can see pieces of the deeper pattern, but we cannot see the whole thing. So we use these vague and sometimes fanciful labels.

Right now a struggle is going on in Bolivia that is the world's struggle. Humanity is maybe in its final throes, there and in so many other places. Or maybe its the birth pains of who we were really meant to be. God help us.

Posted by: Paul | Nov 13 2019 20:06 utc | 23

librul @16--

IMO, lumping the D-Party into the same boat doesn't reflect reality. A great many D-Party members were disenfranchised by the DNC during 2016; many know it and know why, and never swallowed Russiagate. Many of those D-Party folk are again backing Sanders and Gabbard because they're the genuine social-democratic faction the DNC abandoned as soon as Reagan won in 1980 since it supposedly was the Reagan Democrats that swung the election--an assumption never proven correct. And the DNC stated during the lawsuit over 2016 that it would repeat its actions again in 2016, 2020, and beyond. Thus there're two main factions: DNC-Corporate D-Party and small d social-democratic D-Party--both of which are clearly incompatible. It's the former of those two that Gabbard wants to purge; Sanders also seems willing but hasn't been as explicit as Gabbard. Thus we have the old House divided against itself cannot stand situation. Either you're with Obama, Clinton, the Banksters, and the further enslavement of citizens via debt-peonage and expansion of the Outlaw US Empire or you're with the Sanders and Gabbard social-democrats and liberation of citizens via the nationalization of education, health care and dignified retirement, and the neutering of the Outlaw US Empire. Unfortunately, both Gabbard and Sanders are adamant they won't run as 3rd Party POTUS candidates, which means the Corporate faction will get its candidate on the ballot unless something remarkable occurs--a coup within the DNC that totally purges the Obama/Clinton/Corporate faction.

Sorry, but that last phrase I find to be 100% fantastical--about as probable as Kentucky's #1 ranked basketball team losing at home to Evansville at much greater odds than the 40:1 cited for Evansville. Morrison said it was 5:1 50+ years ago, but I don't think people were as brainwashed then as now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 20:12 utc | 24

The 'Orwellian Globalists' may have overstepped, hubristically, when they chose an out-and-out racist, an outspoken racist, to be their puppet to head the new government in Bolivia. This may be just what was needed to provoke the MAJORITY indigenous people of Bolivia ...

Posted by: paul | Nov 13 2019 20:14 utc | 25

@ librul | Nov 13 2019 19:25 utc | 16 (Executive discon)

ED occurs immediately after last gold bar and last whore is loaded onto last 747 transporters to Patagonia.


Seriously, there's a naturally collegial grundnorm tween Ru and US, they simply need to work this out. The PE stand in the path, and act as impedance.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 13 2019 20:52 utc | 26

RT-UK TV Interview Syrian cause and Russian committment team to defeat borderless ideology of terrorism

Librul@16 responds to the statement by start, Chevrus @ 3. "Please
illustrate a situation where the executive branch/office of the USA
would be suddenly discontinued..." Chevrus @ 3, end

An imminent one-two punch from IG Horowitz and John Durham
has powerful players quaking in their boots.

9/11 saw Americans willingly surrendering rights;
accepting a pack of lies, a myth, to explain the event;
militarism becoming the refuge for American's safety.

What are the limits of the rights that Americans are next
willing to surrender? **What are those limits?**

How fast, how far, can we spiral downwards? Is the seizure of power
too far down the spiral to imagine? Five years ago would you have
imagined the current decent of Democrats we have witnessed?

Is media capable to determine who shall have the power? Can
media make Americans surrender their rights?

An imminent one-two punch from IG Horowitz and John Durham
has powerful players quaking in their boots. To answer your
question, I cannot imagine what players like John Brennan
are scheming. But as you know 9/11 was not beyond their
criminal limit or capability. by: librul @ 16

Snake says look at and carefully read the statements by Assad in Syria.. they
are very telling about circumstances here in the states. Assad distinguishes
top down ideology from bottom up cause a very interesting distinguishment.. ..

So to answer your question how far are Americans willing to allow the Oligarchs to
retract human rights in America: are their any limits to the willing surrender?

I think it is as Assad said in the above citation.. outside investors
instigated the unrest in Syria and used it as pretense to get their governments
to invade Syria so that the investors could privatize all of
Syria.. That is exactly what is happening in USA governed America.

Posted by: snake | Nov 13 2019 20:58 utc | 27

karlof1 @4
Your scenario doesn't reach its logical conclusion:

1) Asteroid strike is automatically blamed on "those damn rooskies".
2) Nuclear war ensues.
3) Far West, South, TransMissisippi and New England all secede with each claiming to be the rightful 'United State of America'.
4) Voila.


Posted by: Mu | Nov 13 2019 21:05 utc | 28

@ karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 20:12 utc | 24

IIRC the Clintons rode into the Whitehouse on the Democratic Leadership Committee (DLC). The DLC has quietly morphed into the DNC (or stolen their ID). Proof might be found on identifying the faction controlling the Democratic Party's finance committee under the assumption whoever controls the finance also controls the party. Memory is a perfidious and ephemeral thing and goes down Alice's rabbit hole in nothing flat.

Do not vote for any incumBENT.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Nov 13 2019 21:08 utc | 29

@14 jackrabbit.. i am sorry, but it is too simplistic for me... your examples are fine, but as i see it, they random and not some orchestrated plot from up above... that is where we differ here... in fact, your overview is much too can make it simple for me, but the whole concept of deep state orchestrating everything here is much too simplistic..

@ 16 librul... good overview that is kind of how i see the democratic party here, although @ 24 karlof1 disagrees, it looks like that to this outsider / canuck.. here is the line from karlof1 that gives it away for me - "Unfortunately, both Gabbard and Sanders are adamant they won't run as 3rd Party POTUS candidates" which begs the question, why? my answer - they are useful shills for this same agenda..

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2019 21:10 utc | 30

@Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 20:12 utc | 24

Thanks karlof1,

I am aware not *every single* Democrat bought into Russiagate.

You seem to suggest that the corruption on full display by the DNC during 2016 inoculated
**some** Democrats to Russiagate if they were Bernie supports. Maybe. But we are faced with the puzzling contradiction that Bernie himself did not support the lawsuit brought by the Bernie supporters against the corrupt DNC ... AND ... AND ... Bernie has been a foaming-at-the-mouth supporter of the Russiagate hysteria!

“How can he not talk about the reality that Russia, through cyberwarfare, interfered in our election in 2016, is interfering in democratic elections all over the world, and according to his own CIA director will likely interfere in the 2018 midterm elections that we will be holding?” “How do you not talk about that unless you have a very special relationship with Mr. Putin?”

Who said the above? Rachael Maddow? Hillary Clinton? John Brennan? Why none other than Bernie Sanders!
And did you note that Bernie is being a megaphone for the CIA in this quote?

More and more and more Bernie Russiagate promoting quotes here (and 2018 had only begun!):

Posted by: librul | Nov 13 2019 21:11 utc | 31

@ Gerhard | Nov 13 2019 18:36 utc | 10

I see a civil war in the USA as highly unlikely. The upper class has too much common interest and purpose. The lower classes are divided and powerless and in the near future only seem to be becoming more so. When the third-worldization reaches a critical point, a staged and managed revolution may be in the cards. Before a real revolution has any chance, the elites will have flooded the USA with immigrants from the south, ensuring further division of the lower classes and postponing any real challenge.

Overall, the societal foundation of the USA looks to have been crumbling for maybe five decades already and for the next few decades an acceleration of that process is more likely than a reversal. Don't be on the lookout for leaders or movements to change any of that. Only when the american people clean up their act, ie. their addiction to numbing drugs, empty consumerism and false jingoisms, will anything there ever change for good. Until that happens, the place will be withering more and more.

Not until the American elites start to fail to safeguard their own priviliges at the cost of the rest of the population will change happen.

I don't see the Russian aggression that you propose to be realistic or likely to happen. Russia does not need to reach abroad for energy, resources or food. Their main challenge is to manage the riches of the huge country with the people they have. Already the resurgence after the post-1990 crash (and the preceding stagnation) is an accomplishment worthy of admiration.

The Russian interest clearly is consolidation and defence, which is exactly what their policies have been showing on the international stage. Suggestions of aggression are pure projection by Atlanticists theselves. Instead of Washington trying to provoke Russian mistakes, the real game is about Moscow trying to contain NATO's erratic trashing and carefully preventing any catastrophic escalation.

To wit, what country did recently "update" its nuclear doctrine, suggesting the possibility of 'limited' use of nuclear weapons? Was it Russia, or ehhm... perhaps the USA?

The only uncertain factor between Russia and the USA is Europe. I expect a lot more American craziness towards Europe, as its effective leverage crumbles. Europe has not yet devolved as badly as the USA and the American implosion is a major risk factor for the Europeans.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 13 2019 21:29 utc | 32

psychohistoiran @22 asks "To those Trump supporters, I would appreciate understanding how the keep the oil fits in with you saying Trump wants to get out of Syria?"

As someone who voted for Trump I can tell you I do not agree with this decision nor will I defend it. I hold the same sentiment pre 2016 that I do now - bring these endless wars to an end. Period. Am I disappointed in his walking back the decision to leave Syria entirely? You betcha.

Weeks ago when barflies were discussing Trump's withdrawal, someone corrected my understanding regarding the Kurds who took control of the oil fields, so to speak, and were selling the oil to SAA. My understanding of this newest policy is the Kurds will continue to manage and benefit from the sale of the oil. I could be wrong. Feel free to correct me if I am. But if my understanding of the arrangement is correct, the Kurds maintaining their role, then they are likely still selling the oil to the SAA. Then again, maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.

So, management or control of the oil fields has changed, but it looks like everything else remains as it was before when the oil fields were managed/controlled by the Kurds.

What I do respect in the President's decision to leave NE Syria is removing troops from theater. The CIA's proxy war appears to have been shutdown. This w/o question I applaud, LOUDLY.

Posted by: h | Nov 13 2019 21:37 utc | 33

BTW, all this talk about asteroids and false flags makes me remind the brilliant nineties movie "Starship Troopers", in which Paul Verhoeven not only sort of presages 911 and the ensuing war on the bugs, but also smuggled into it the ephemeral phrase "Are you psychic?". I sometimes wonder how many people got that...

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 13 2019 21:39 utc | 34

paul @ 25

This may be just what was needed to provoke the MAJORITY indigenous people of Bolivia ...

I doubt it, without massive quantities of weapons similar to those received by the Syrian takfiris, the indigenous people don't stand a chance once the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (formerly SOA) trained Washington-supported death squads get to work. It's going to be a massacre that'll be barely reported in MSM, because after the "election" they'll be anti-democratic. Bolivia is not Syria.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 13 2019 21:40 utc | 35

The issue with the Americans is a hyper-partisan mindset has been instilled, akin to duelling sports teams, so one cheers for their team facts or context be damned. This used to be a Fox News-Republican phenomenon, but now has infected Dem supporters as well.

Break up of US would mean break up of Canada too. Look to the moves made by province of Alberta in response to fed election - a sort of firewall is being proposed where Alberta will take on fed gov responsibilities pension, health care, etc. Alberta is a Koch Bros oil republic, and any N American melt-down will result in formation of private fiefdoms - i.e. Alberta-Montana-Wyoming-South Dakota become Kochland.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 13 2019 21:45 utc | 36

@ jr

Then you must be a shut-in or unemployed to not see the dual-benefit of the deep state in that it stymies trump and resurrects Russia as a boogeyman. Nay! Thrice-benefit in that it also allows for an excuse to be horrifically status quo and gamble on everything returning to normal after the trump phenomenon runs its course and the duopoly reassert its grip.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 13 2019 21:51 utc | 37

@Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 18:35 utc | 9

I wonder how in the Earth can anyone have cultural cooperation and join efforts against terrorism with a goon like Bolsonaro who has posted Twitters celebrating Bolivia´s coup and is known misses Pinochet ´s "expeditive measures" against communists...How this, so called group BRICS, can continue following its path, as if nothing had happened, especially since the coup in Bolivia...
Just today read the statements by Kremlin spokeman, Peshkov, and what to say, seemed to me quite soft his stance, throwing balons out...Sometimes I feel like to trust John Helmer on his assesment on the existence of two blocks in the Russian Federation, the stavka, and these people of the Kremlin office...

To this you add the Russian ambassador to the US, today visiting Kissinger ( the builder of the Condor Plan...) a man always like begging for better relations to this bully of a country, and this is one of the times when I wonder if i would not be supporting all this time just the people who wants to crush me...( meaning my now almost 6 years long support for the RF and concretely this adminsitration...)

I found quite different the unambiguous and strong statements by the Russian FM and Kremlin itself when Venezuela was about to suffer a coup, and now when the legitimate government of Bolivia has been sent into exile and his indigenous population on the verge of extermination by nazi thugs...

You can not be against nazis in the Ukraine and then support ( or be way too soft in your lack of condemnation...) nazis in Brasil or Bolivia (... or the EU...) or you are for international law and human rights, always, or not, but not only when business opportunities are in prospect....

Yes, today is one of those days when my consideration of the RF and Putin´s administration as a referent in keeping international order in the face of a lawless US just wobbles...

No se puede estar en misa y repicando al mismo tiempo

Waiting for the final statement of the meeting for to possibly take a determination on this issue...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 13 2019 21:55 utc | 38

@ 36 jayc... kenney is a divisive politician.. i always think of alberta like the 'texas wannabe' of canada... they think highly of themselves and their oil, even when they can't get it out to the coast due the fact the people on the coast view all this very differently.. and now they are resorting to a type of quebec referendum option to use as leverage over the rest of canada.. it didn't work with quebec, and it definitely won't work with alberta.. at least quebec could legitimately claim itself a different type of culture... as for dividing up canada and the usa - it makes more sense to go along north south lines -cascadia being a good example of this.. koch republic would be a good name for that zone!!

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2019 21:57 utc | 39

Gerhard @ 10:

You'd probably do well to study the history of China after the downfall of the Manchu Qing dynasty up to the 1930s at least (when Japan began invading the country and bringing its own forms of chaos, violence and enslavement) to get an idea of where the US might be heading if and when the Federal government falls. From the 1910s onwards, China was governed by warlords looking out for No 1, with their own armies.

Not so very different from the situation prevailing in Afghanistan and Libya. Talk about the chickens coming home to roost.

The other alternative is if the 50 states decide to be self-governing statelets or form their own federations among themselves or with neighbouring provinces and states in Canada and Mexico, or even abroad. Alaska may petition Moscow to be accepted back into the Russian Federation and Hawaii may seek another large patron to attach itself for security reasons. Washington and Oregon states may finally form a federation with British Columbia and call it Cascadia.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 13 2019 21:59 utc | 40

librul @31--

Yeah, like Formerly T-Bear intoned about memory. I concede, but still note Gabbard hasn't faltered in her zeal. I finally finished my series of thoughts on the Bolivian thread regarding the Big Picture. IMO, Evil's sly enough to get elected even if it campaigned showing its attributes as in this image. If I were 20 years younger, I'd emigrate to Russia or China, but I'm not and doubt I've 20 years remaining on this orb. But I do think I've got the struggle properly diagnosed, although no cure's readily available.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 13 2019 22:07 utc | 41

Right now a struggle is going on in Bolivia that is the world's struggle.

@Posted by: Paul | Nov 13 2019 20:06 utc | 23

Indeed ,the same way I see it, and it seems that, in this one, Russian will not be with us...After all there is neither oil, nor weapons to sale in Bolivia, nor to the working poor people.....

Just today I was hearing Trump stating that he would like very much assisting to the next Vicotry Day parade in Moscow...Well, how to say ( wait for me while I go throwing up a bit...) Just here again, a bit back in myself...
Thus, this thug, who just has unleashed those rabid nazi death squads over the poor indigenous people of Bolivia is going to sit along the veterans who really fought the nazis in WWII, the few who still are alive to remember the 25 millions of their own who died in the battle fields, moreover taking into account that Trump´s father really was a nazi himself and supported Nazi Germany as if there was no tomorrow...If you though that of Netanyahu last year was way too see how yo take this...

Seeing these things, no wonder that fascism advance without obstacles...Voting in the UN or passing all day energically protestingthe demolition of monuments to Soviet heros of WWII is not enough...It is neede to eergically protest when today´s nazis are salughterin currently lving people...

As happened during WWII, I fear, it will be us the people who will have to organize ourselves to fight this scourge...Putin, simply, will not be there....May be the Red Army will...

In a documentary about the 9th company of

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 13 2019 22:14 utc | 42

Gerhard @10;
I agree the US will split up. As a poli sci initiate, i was forced to consider the role of institutions acting in support of the polis. I wasn't impressed at the time. my disdain for the rot of leadership in most if not all institutions in the west, it was mostly for the greed....but i realize the cumulative effect is the fraying of those 'supports' of the nation itself. Consider:
The 16 intelligence agencies each have their own agendas, the regulatory agencies are revolving doors for industry placements, the FBI was crooked since the days of Hoover, the governments agencies are rife with oligarchy quislings .....and in the end the greed of those in power will be not be held back by any moral force. The police are militarized, murdering and robbing their own citizens.
Meanwhile, the MSM are owned by the oligarch, so there is no national forum where the corruption can be addressed on a national level. This leaves the blog sites such as MOA to lead the fight against the PTB. The problem is in the nature of the internet, which has no 'locus' as in a national voice. The internet has no center. As example, i am not a US citizen. When the polis finally hit the point where the Rentier economy has driven them to extreme reaction, they will not be thinking of reclaiming the vast American experiment, rather they will seek to at least control their little part of the world. I believe you will see blocs of similar states rising up to control whet they think is in their own best interests: The mid-west, the west coast and mountain states, the deep south, the eastern states will find common issues to crytalize around.
That's my read.
As a Canadian, my thoughts are how Canada will negotiate with these remainder blocs of former US states.

Posted by: Breadonwaters | Nov 13 2019 22:19 utc | 43

James @ 39
I general concur with your brief reading of Jayson Kenney and Alberta talk of separatism. But on that score the comparison would not so much be to Texas as perhaps to Boris Johnson / Nigel Farage, in their moves to break away from the EU. I don't know that either of them (or Kenney) is all that passionate about separation itself, but the divisiveness -- and surfing various waves of polarization -- are what this new nihilist political wave seems to be about.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Nov 13 2019 22:21 utc | 44

I support the Cascadia concept. There's a wonderful work of speculative fiction called Ecotopia that is set in a Cascadia - although it was written before the digital hi-tech era and so could not predict that such an entity, short of a true revolution, would be run by Microsoft - Google - Apple etc.

A high speed rail link from Vancouver to Portland has been proposed, which is a forward-thinking policy initiative, but they are going to take a few years to think about it, and then another fifteen to twenty years to build it, and that itself will only happen if the "no new taxes" retrograde types don't stop it in its "tracks" (which they intend to do).

Posted by: jayc | Nov 13 2019 22:31 utc | 45

“We’ll take $100 billion from the Russians.

Putin should be wary of Kolomoysky as Kolomoysky will most likely steal the lot.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 13 2019 23:28 utc | 47

off topic: I've just realized how vexing the idea of a non-citizen army.
Imagine: The tax payer funds the majority of tax dollars to a bureau that funds its own production of weapons, recruitment, training personnel, maintenance of 800 or so bases across the world and, finally, deploying these recruits wherever it deems worthy, based on the directions of it's head, potus. its just so sweet: hire mercenaries, and do whatever you want across the planet....there are no draftees one to criticize when the body bags return stateside. Some otherwise brain-dead fuck in the pentagon is enjoying lieutenant generalship, just for figuring out the army didn't need a draft...there were plenty of poor people, who could be had with a few bucks......

Posted by: Breadonwaters | Nov 13 2019 23:43 utc | 48

re: Kolomoisky
Weird. He picked an interesting day to take on the IMF. Its a strange world.

Respect to his hair stylist in any case

Posted by: ptb | Nov 13 2019 23:46 utc | 49

Nemesiscalling @37

I know you've bought into the notion of Trump fighting the Deep State.

It's a nice fairy-tale for the sheeple.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2019 23:49 utc | 50


I'm in Montana and working on a piece of fiction that anticipates the breakup of the States in the not-so-distant future. I did a little research on Cascadia and found that there's elements of white supremacism wanting to co-opt the idea of Cascadia for their own ethno-state fever dreams:

The far right is known to appropriate pop culture imagery, particularly for recruitment and to mitigate their viewpoints. But Alexander Reid Ross, a professor at Portland State University, explained that Cascadia, “a really important movement in the Pacific Northwest,” is targeted specifically for its link to bioregionalism. “It implies a territorial imperative but doesn’t necessarily involve anti-racism, according to the far right, so fascists appropriate it,” he told me of Cascadia.

The appropriation began at least as far back as 2004, when a flag suspiciously similar to the Cascadian flag appeared on the cover of Harold Armstead Covington’s book, A Distant Thunder. In 2008, Covington founded the white nationalist group Northwest Front, which calls for an “independent and sovereign White nation in the Pacific Northwest.” The group later penned a disturbing rhyme on its website about this flag, the Tricolor flag, using language similar to Baretich’s:

The sky is blue, and the land is green. The white is for the people, in between.

Cascadia appropriation has snowballed since then. In 2016, a man adopting the moniker Herrenvolk, a German word for “master race” used by the Nazis, helped form Cascadia, the “foremost” alt-right group in the Pacific Northwest. According to its website, its mission is to “regain our sovereignty and prevent foreign influence on our people.” That goal correlates with the narrative of Cascadia as quintessential, and it echoes the groaning around Portland about newcomers spoiling the city.

in the narrative I'm working on, New Cascadia does become a white supremacist stronghold.

Posted by: lizard | Nov 14 2019 0:07 utc | 51

I was somewhat puzzled by your Good and Evil post in the last thread, karlof1. Were you just being facetious or did I misread you to say that all would depend on the outcome of the 2020 election?.

I followed you on the course of 'the rest of the world' under leadership from Russia and China into multipolarity rather than one hegemon; I'd tend to agree with you on that concept, though maybe we'd have disagreements on the course of history up to that point. I have a literary turn of mind myself, and to me "good" literature (with a small g) always comes out on top - as with goodness in most other aspects of life learning as well.

All the same, it's hard for me to think the coming US election will really decide anything. That is, I don't see any of the candidates preparing his or herself to join 'the rest of the world'. That would be the good outcome for me and I just can't see it happening.

I'll be literary and say that maybe for nations 'the way up is the way down.' And while the disparity and struggle between wealthy and not in the US is starkly apparent, we are nowhere near bottoming out here yet. And I think we have to be; I think we will be - but when? I'll be literary again and say that for Tigger it was when he got all his bounce taken out of him. All of it. Not 'make America great' but rather 'help America survive yadayadayada...'

I'm kinda doubting I'll be around to see it. It's sort of that 'not with a bang but a wimper' sort of scenario - and we're a long way from wimpering yet.

Still, I feel very positive. I think 'the rest of the world' is going to be kinder than we deserve when it all boils down to the dregs. What a day that will be!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2019 0:47 utc | 52

Nemesiscalling 15
Right you are. The Anti-Russia hype has been going on for a while but had a bit of a hiatus during King (W) Shrub II. Both parties worked to destroy the Russian economy during the 80s/90s with the Chicago/Harvard boys gutting it completely while enriching themselves. It accelerated under Obama while they presented us with the "Reset" switch. Apparently the Russians didn't play along so they became the bogeyman that gets inflated as time goes on. Trump tried but got dragged down in the process.

As to a US split, I live in the south. So I've wondered if California (for example) tried to leave if a US President would pull a Lincoln and destroy the state ... in order to save it.

Posted by: Curtis | Nov 14 2019 0:52 utc | 53

Sorry - 'whimper' and 'whimpering'. (I used to be such a good speller, truly!)

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2019 0:55 utc | 54

Nemesis@15 -"Trust me when I say" ... never trust anyone who says anything after that phrase! How exactly did the Dems play the right card with Russiagate? Do you mean they hoodwinked their supporters into believing Russia to be the enemy, so that is somehow 'the right card'? I'll stop there. You've completely confused me.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2019 1:06 utc | 55

Occupied Palestine continues killing people as documented in the report below from Reuters

GAZA (Reuters) - An Israeli missile strike in the Gaza Strip killed six members of a Palestinian family on Thursday, all of them civilians, medical officials and residents said, bringing the death toll in the territory from a 48-hour surge in fighting to 32.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment on the pre-dawn incident in Deir al-Balah, which came as cross-border shelling exchanges continued despite a ceasefire offer by the Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad.

Israel killed an Islamic Jihad field commander on Tuesday, sparking cross-border rocket salvoes by the militant group and further Israeli strikes. Medics said 32 Palestinians have been killed, at least a third of them civilians.

Those killed in Thursday’s attack on a home in Deir al-Balah included a woman and a child, medical officials said. Another 12 people were wounded, they said.

Sad to see this continue to go on and no resolution in sight, only escalation

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2019 1:28 utc | 56

Formerly T-Bear | Nov 13 2019 21:08 utc | 29:

Speaking of the Clintons.   Hillary Clinton says she's under 'enormous pressure' to enter 2020 race   ROFL

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 14 2019 1:33 utc | 57

@55 Juliana

I mean "right" in that allowing Russiagate to seep into the waking consciousness of America took the pressure off the dems and what was going to be their reckoning. In effect, they have now doubled-down in the hope that the Trump phenomenon of nationalism will fade away and their rule will be restored. Whether or not Sanders plays into this I think we are yet to see, but, so far, Sanders has played ball with a lot of dem garbage.

Again, by the "right" play I mean as if a dark sorcerer had banked his continued favor with the king he serves on a magic brew that would muddle the King's brain and keep him from knowing of the Sorcerer's repulsive ambition. Such is the dems plan as well as many if not all of the republicans who secretly detest DJT but who don't speak up because their base believes in Trump.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 14 2019 1:42 utc | 58

I don't see the USA fragmenting, not before it has been bankrupted, foreclosed and liquidated.

The federal behemoths like the military, the alphabet agencies, the state department, the whitehouse will all fight for their life.

The giant corporations, including the federal reserve, will also object.

Individual states, even as a majority, are no match to the above.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 14 2019 1:52 utc | 59

TASS and Sputnik have both published short reports on events from the BRICS Summit in Brasilia. As I noted earlier, it revolved around the Business Forum, so most everything focused on economics, global trade, and the hindrances in the normal conduct of commerce:

"'Undoubtedly, the global economy was affected by the fact that methods of unfair competition, unilateral sanctions - including politically motivated ones are being used on a wider scale in the global trade, [and] protectionism is flourishing. Under those circumstances, BRICS nations have to take serious effort to ensure the development of their economies, to prevent the deterioration of the social situation and the fall of living standards, of our citizens’ welfare,' Putin said at the closing ceremony of the BRICS business forum."

Hopefully, there'll be a full transcript of Putin's remarks and further reporting to digest tomorrow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2019 1:55 utc | 60

@55 juliana

Re: trustworthy people, I meant that my eyes have seen first hand the effects of this whole Russiagate brainwashing. As a result, I don't talk politics with my family, and it is tenuous with my coworkers. Can you imagine a guy working in a west-coast city and actually has something positive to say about DJT?

I still say that DJT deserves an ENORMOURS!...ENORMOUS! amount of credit for awakening such terminology into the public lexicon as "Globalism," "nationalism," "fake news," and the like. How he was able to do this was very simple but absolutely revolutionary for any bonafide presidential candidate that I can remember or know. For myself, I view the issue as globalism as paramount and far more world-shattering than US imperialism.

Here is an interesting Frontline interview with Ann Coulter a week or so ago. It shines a light on how a guy like Trump was able to capture the public imagination. Hint: it wasn't because the Deep State was grooming him.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 14 2019 2:06 utc | 61

Looks like Bolivians are getting organized and fighting back. Thousands congregate in El Alto and Cochabamba:

Lets hope some Army units "defect" to the cause before bloodshed gets serious..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 14 2019 2:20 utc | 62

@Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 14 2019 1:33 utc | 57

"Speaking of the Clintons - 'Hillary Clinton says she's under 'enormous pressure' to enter 2020 race' - ROFL"

Yeah, she is being forced, will it be the 2020 Race or the loony bin she is eventually forced to enter?

Posted by: librul | Nov 14 2019 2:22 utc | 63

For any of you who use protonmail. They seem to be touting their links to clearly compromised media sources such as Bellingcat quite strongly these days, and are pushing the empire's message on MH17, Ukraine, Scripals, Russiagate etc etc. I was an early adopter but they now seem compromised or simply deluded. Too bad, another one bites the dust.

Posted by: Sad Canuck | Nov 14 2019 2:38 utc | 64

Got it, Nemesiscalling, sorry to be obtuse. But I'm afraid I do disagree. This whole phobia against Russia and anti-Trump scenario turned off huge numbers of their voters - some didn't vote but some actually held their noses and voted for Trump. To me (and I sure could be wrong) Dems just dug themselves a deeper hole with all of this. Save some sort of coup, I can't see them winning a year from now. If anything more US voters have wised up than were wised up before - you don't go back once eyes are opened.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2019 2:52 utc | 65

@ 11 JR

I agree with your premise about this being kayfabe. From where I sit, there is no other explanation for any political party to make these endless attacks based on absolutely nothing over and over again. Attacks which can only maintain the charade from 2016 of Trump the Victim. Does anyone think that somehow the Dems suddenly stopped being to calculating psycho/sociopaths that they and the other side of the aisle are? Why would such shrewd players not verify what people like Vindeman had to say before putting them on the stand? They keep undermining their own case over and over again. I find it impossible that they would continue to stick their hands in the fire after being burned every single time before this, and with easily verifiable information. Especially when the attacks are ALWAYS over stupid shit and never go after anything he actually could be attacked for doing. What I keep seeing is like watching kindergarten kids try to kill a grown man with foam rocks.
We keep seeing this complex, convoluted, evil shit come out of DC and yet we simultaneously think these same players are morons? No freaking way. These attacks are the only thing that keeps Trump's base on his side as he keeps betraying them and the opposition keeps trying to outdo its last performance of stupid. I have seen a LOT of Trump supporters throw in the towel on him for things he has done in the last 3 years, yet they come back to his side after the newest stupid thing the left wing of the uni-party comes up with.
Shit, it isn't like Trump is even really shaking things up to cause such a ruckus!

Posted by: sorghum | Nov 14 2019 3:15 utc | 66

@ 44 Paul Damascene.. the comparison to texas and alberta is an old one that pre dates this separation talk... the idea of driving big gas guzzling pick up trucks with guns on the window rack, and everything has to be big, is mostly how i think of albertans here in b.c. big beef eating red necks is the image i have.. they would throw kd lang out of the province if they could, but she moved to vancouver a long time ago anyway! as for alberta and separation - i wasn't thinking of that.. the other texas-alberta tie in is the bible mania, although the lower mainland on the outskirts of vancouver competes with that to a lesser extent, it seems to me eating beef, driving pick up trucks and practicing some type of fundamental christian religion all all alberta-texas type activities! i am being a bit of a goof here too, but for the most part that is how i see it..

@ 64 sad canuck... probably protonmail is receiving money from the nsa-csis to push that drivel... they said they would be throwing money into propaganda and it sounds like protonmail got some of it..

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2019 3:40 utc | 67

Another Jrabbit contribution I agree with;

"I know you've bought into the notion of Trump fighting the Deep State."

"It's a nice fairy-tale for the sheeple."

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 13 2019 23:49 utc | 50"

Thanks rabbit, in time, these DJT "leg humpers" will see, that 99% of both so called "parties", and DJT, work towards the betterment of themselves (more $), and the uber-rich, who have purchased the entire U$A, and it's corporate empire..

Posted by: ben | Nov 14 2019 3:44 utc | 68

sorghum @66

Yup. Well said.

You almost have to admire their clever use of entertainment to misdirect, confuse, and squash critical thinking that might lead to dissent.

But their ability to manipulate us via a constructed "narrative matrix" (as Caitlin Johnstone calls it) is very very dangerous to the rest of us.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 14 2019 4:21 utc | 69

ben @68: DJT "leg humpers"


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 14 2019 4:21 utc | 70

@67 james

The following paragraph is part of their description of a phishing attack on "the renowned investigative journalists (and ProtonMail users) at Bellingcat who were subjected to a sophisticated phishing attack, which ultimately failed"

Attribution of attacks is very difficult to determine. It is well established that Bellingcat is a frequent target of Russian military intelligence due to their prior activities, which have included linking the downing of flight MH17 to Russian forces, and identifying the Russian GRU agents responsible for the nerve agent attack on the Skripals on UK soil. The resources used in this phishing attack (such as the domain registrars and resellers) are also resources that have been used in the past in other cyberattacks conducted by Fancy Bear (also known as APT28), a Russian cyber espionage group which may be affiliated with the GRU. Thus, while it is not conclusively proven, the evidence (along with independent third-party assessments) seem to suggest an attack of Russian origin. A deeper technical analysis of the attack and its links to the Fancy Bear APT can be found here.

Have to give credit where due. They hit pretty much every Russophobic theme propagated over the last 5 years in one short paragraph. Impressive :(

Posted by: sad canuck | Nov 14 2019 4:55 utc | 71

@51 lizard - you should read Twilight's Last Gleaming (Updated editiion) by John Michael Greer before you bother writing a novel about the break up of the USA.
Many commenters here blend the issues of 1) the existence of a deep state, and 2) Trump taking on the deep state. They are completely separate issues.

I agree with Jackrabbit and others who do not believe Trump is taking on the deep state, and that he never had any intention to take on the deep state. Trump is an extremely simple man, far too naive to be an effective president. He truly believed he could builld a wall that Mexico paid for, give everybody a tax cut, bring troops home, renegotiate some trade deals, but not much else. He had (and still has) no idea how to implement such grand policies in the DC swamp. He truly is the Wizard of Oz - all show and no substance.

That said, the deep state does exist. No it doesn't exist in any single department. It's not a secret cabal that meets at Bilderberg or the CFR or at Bohemian Grove. It is people like Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Rosenstein, McMaster, Victoria Nuland, John Bolton with soldiers like Peter Strozk, Lisa Page, Fiona Hill, Eric Ciaramella and dozens of others whose names we'll never know. They worked independently and sometimes in coordination as a shadow government that stops policies they don't like and implements their own policies ignoring elected officials. Along with the destruction of the dollar by the Fed and profligate spending by the uniparty, they will be the reason for the break up the USA - not Russia, not China, not a buffoon like Trump. The USA will eventually collapse into the dustheap of history just like Rome and many other empires have. The question is ... when?? My guess is that the country has less than 25 years left, but many of us are old folks so what the f do we care...

Posted by: Don Wills | Nov 14 2019 5:00 utc | 72

The OpenAI project has released a language model called GPT-2 that generates meaningful text based on short input. You can try it out at The results are amazing. For example, I've typed in:

The false allegations of Russian interference

From which the algorithm generated the following text:

The false allegations of Russian interference have become so common in our political discourse that they have lost all meaning. The fact that so many people believed them without question and did so without investigation is one of the most pernicious trends in modern American politics.

But that's only the half of it.

When a journalist or political activist takes an unsubstantiated allegation and runs with it — or, worse, turns a discredited allegation into a full-blown conspiracy theory — it doesn't just hurt their own credibility; it also hurts the credibility of all other journalists and activists who were duped into taking their accusations seriously.

And that hurts the cause of truth.

Because as anyone who's ever tried to fact-check an accusation knows, you never know whether a claim is true or false until someone actually tries to verify it. And unless you have actual, physical evidence to support your claim, it's pretty easy to just repeat a conspiracy theory without doing any of the

Machine writing is here. I think you all understand the implications of this.

Posted by: S | Nov 14 2019 5:55 utc | 73

Photo of Erdo and his foreign minister meeting with Trump, Graham ect.
Erdo looks like its just another day at the office for him, his foreign minister looks happy, Trump, Graham and the rest of the yanks look a bit sad.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2019 6:23 utc | 74

@Posted by: S | Nov 14 2019 5:55 utc | 73

Thanks for the interesting link.

However, my first try did not go quite so well - mixed results.
I entered: Epstein did not commit suicide

The project outputted this:

"The news of his death brought back memories of Epstein's death at the hands of a 27-year-old lawyer in 1998, when Michael Milken, who was then a top hedge fund manager, was convicted of insider trading and sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Milken, who was convicted of trading on information that the hedge fund firm Galleon Group would acquire an Italian airline and put it on a stock exchange, was also said to have paid Epstein $450,000 to have sex with an underage girl.

Epstein has never been charged in the case.

The scandal has also caused many to question whether the Clintons' political career might have been ruined had they lived in Washington D.C. and Epstein was their friend."

Posted by: librul | Nov 14 2019 6:26 utc | 75

The AI can also be used to generate hilarious Onion-like texts. For example, given the following input:

When Putin and Lennon decided to collaborate on a record,

the algorithm spits out:

When Putin and Lennon decided to collaborate on a record, their mutual musical taste was obvious. But he had an issue with the singer's use of the word "Putin" in a song called "Vesti Rossiya."

"I said to him, 'I can't put that in the album. The word 'Putin' is so strong, and we are talking about Russia,'" Lennon recalled in the documentary "Putin's Revenge."

Putin's Revenge, which will premiere in Los Angeles on May 27 and in New York on June 14, will also feature interviews with Lennon's former aides, members of his inner circle and Russian officials.

For "Putin's Revenge," Lennon hired an Israeli songwriter to pen lyrics.

"The man is the creator of the music, but there is also a certain degree of control," said Lior Ami, who wrote the lyrics. "He told me, 'If you don't write the lyrics in Russian, I will not give you the

You can input sentences in Shakespearean, Biblic, legalistic, pop song styles — it will mimic everything thrown at it.

Posted by: S | Nov 14 2019 6:31 utc | 76

I got news for those dreaming of a US civil war. There will be none. There will be no fighting like the first one. There will be no vast armies marching around the countryside blasting each other into oblivion.

The worse case scenario would be the dissolution of the union, but in a slow manner over a generation unlike the Soviets. However, the most probable reality would be the end of Federalism bringing about a Confederacy.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 14 2019 6:35 utc | 77

S | Nov 14 2019 5:55 utc | 73:

This technology isn't new to me. I'm seeing this more often in the Help / Support role of a service like my local cable service provider.

BTW, I got nothing when I typed in: "Alien invasion from space" BUT

"Queen Elizabeth II is a lizard"

We know this, for example, because of a few facts that the queen has told in print. First, the queen's great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, King George III, had a secret, in-law relationship with the lizard's sister, the monarch said in 2008, when she was giving a lecture at Oxford University.

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Then in 2013, she told the same university audience that her great-great-great-grandmother was the last monarch who knew she had a lizard in her womb.

So, she's not a person. But she's not a lizard either. What is she? What can she do?

"There was something called a 'dome-mamma'," Queen Elizabeth told the audience, referring to her reptilian ancestor, Mother Elizabeth, whose death is a source of family shame. The queen

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 14 2019 6:43 utc | 78

@Posted by: S | Nov 14 2019 5:55 utc | 73

Thanks again for the interesting link.
I tried a second time and I think
I triggered the wise ass algorithm.

I entered: Aliens turned my lawnmower into a pumpkin.

It outputted a lengthy list:

"How can you eat a lawnmower with a mouth like that?"

"You don't know what you're talking about."

"You should've stayed here, you were so nice."

"You're a weird one."

"Get off of me, you're ugly!"

"You don't have a face!"

"I can't see you, get off!"

... (many many many more)

"Go away"

Posted by: librul | Nov 14 2019 6:50 utc | 79

AI project,
Rhetorically speaking, "Trump is asking, with Morales gone, where is our Lithium?" So we asked our cAI.
Background-Bolivia has +70% of known world Lithium reserves.

Does morales have the lithium in his ass

"But if you do that and you get pregnant, it's not good for the fetus. It can cause a miscarriage."

"So you're telling me that if you do that and you get pregnant, it's not good for the fetus. It can cause a miscarriage." "Well, there are lots of things that can cause a miscarriage, if you're pregnant, but it's not necessarily something that should cause a miscarriage."

And this shit about the sperm being able to see the cells that the egg cells were trying to implant in his ass.

"A sperm cell has a pretty clear view of its environment."

"So sperm are like a satellite that can just go anywhere and just sort of do whatever they want. A sperm cell can go, uh, from a fertilized egg that's in your ass, to the uterus, to another fertilized egg. They can do that without actually touching the cell that it was

Posted by: Eva Morales | Nov 14 2019 7:04 utc | 80

This AI, reminds me of Eliza from the 1970's, that said its just LSTM AI, which is just a page of python, its obvious that the learning used is based on newspapers and current sources, and probably encyclopedias.

Remember recently when Microsoft released an AI? Within 24 hours it had become an anti-semitic drug dealer, this AI just learned as it went, and it quickly adapted to the USA public.

Posted by: bob | Nov 14 2019 7:10 utc | 81

Well looking at the transformer machine with a couple of queries - Russia first, then Syria, it looks like a cross between moty python and US propaganda.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2019 7:25 utc | 82

#34 Lurk

I love the hell out of "Starship Troopers", the most subversive blockbuster ever made. I am not a native speaker of English, though, and I don't get the phrase "Are you psychic?" Care to explain?

I can recommend the book "National Security Cinema", although it has been rather hastily written as the authors admit.

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Nov 14 2019 7:34 utc | 83

Well looking at the transformer machine with a couple of queries - Russia first, then Syria, it looks like a cross between moty python and US propaganda.


It would be far better if you just 'rolled your own', there must be lstm-recursive engines out there where you can 'train' them on your own source material

Problem with this system, it is was trained using the 'urban dictinary' and other sources of garbage, thus the potty mouth.

A few years ago when the Clinton emails were dumped on wiki, I downloaded and trained the "AI" on those 2gb of text, then I would come back and ask rhetorical questions, and it was quite interesting, because the AI had been trained to 'think' like Hillary&Friends.

These AI's just take in source materials say all the works of shakespeare, then you type in an input 'sentence' and using probability they generate N characters of next, where the generated text outputted is stuff most correlated with your sample.

The problem with this stuff while its easy to do if your a programmer, the real problem is knowing how to 'train' the engine.

It's not a simple matter of using a website, you need to build the system on your own computer, and then have the training data-set, most often it just takes a few hours to train, then you can spend hours or forever just putting in 'text' and getting back coherent sentences and/or paragraphs based on probabilitys.


In this case, like you have all observed this AI was trained using URBAN BULLSHIT from web, so it generates BULLSHIT.

Posted by: bob | Nov 14 2019 7:48 utc | 84

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Monday downgraded Malaysia’s air safety rating, restricting the country’s airlines from adding new flights to the United States.

The FAA’s safety rating is based on Malaysia’s aviation oversight regime and is an assessment of the country’s civil aviation authority. Reuters reported the downgrade earlier on Monday, citing sources. The downgrade does not affect existing flights.

At present, the only Malaysian airline route to the United States is AirAsia X Bhd services from Kuala Lumpur to Honolulu via Osaka, Japan.

The Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia (CAAM) said in a statement it regretted the decision that stemmed from an April 2019 FAA review but asked the U.S. agency to reassesses its operations within the next year.

Posted by: Mao | Nov 14 2019 8:55 utc | 85

All these fork-tongued implied criticisms of Evo Morales are the stuff of nausea. People too gutless to confront the evil celebrated within their own society, who know SFA of the tightrope which the MAS walked for more than a decade, now criticise with impunity Evo Morales for not slotting up all whitefella bandits in charge of oppression.
They tell us little other than their complete misunderstanding of how power structures actually function, worse they reveal their consummate inability to comprehend other less selfish indigenous societies.

There is no way in the world that Morales could have simply 'rounded up' the whitefella leaders of the military & police. For 150 years plus, those types had been inducted into organisations whose number 1 job was to make sure that ordinary citizens never copped a say in the way the nation was shaped.

Consequently not only were the forces of oppression just waiting for the time to murder Morales, they had selected their middle-management I.E. nco's, on the basis of the nco's preparedness to sacrifice the common good in favour of personal gain. Yep it is likely that every police and army sarge didn't feel that way, but as subsequent events have proven, sufficient did.

In some ways the government of Venezuela had a much easier ride, in that initially at least, sufficient money came in to have a beneficial effect on many citizens lives.
Probably more even importantly just like in Turkey with Erdy, the amerikan premature ejaculation in the form of too soon Venezuelan coups not only gave their respective governments the perfect excuse to purge traitors, the traitors' behaviour had been so egregious & lacking in justification that even the suborned NCO class could not tolerate it.

Those two lesson were absorbed by amerika's whores, blackmailers & murderers to the point where they understood they had but one shot at stealing Bolivia back, so they had to time it just right following a propaganda whitewash that would enable waverers to justify their choice of self ahead of community needs.
This is what happened and the evil plan showed us how well strategised the coup was. It showed a real understanding of indigenous culture.

eg If Hill the shill Clinton had won last time, what do you reckon would happen if following her inauguration, someone called her up and said "I've a knife at Chelsea's throat resign now or she is dead". Hill woulda prevaricated for a bit, then when her daughter ended up in a muddy ditch somewhere, she would have saved the incident up to drag out for votes in 2020 - exactly as orangeade woulda done if anyone threatened to slash Ivana's throat.

With familial clans of humans better connected to the world around them that isn't a choice at all. There is no way that Evo or any of the other senior MAS members would do anything other than capitulate in favour of a much loved family member.
The architects of this apt illustration of the callous perfidy of amerika's ruling elite, sure demonstrates their easy familiarity with the morality of nazi concentration camp commandants. They do not acknowledge even to themselves they are telling the world they believe "whatever it takes is OK, if I can profit from it".

So, I repeat, this problem cannot be fixed in Bolivia, sure you can kill the monkey, but the organ grinder lives on in amerika, butchering thousands in your name. The only way this can possibly be fixed right now, is if other amerikans do to these amerikan born and bred murderers, exactly what they ,the murderers, have been doing to the entire rest of the world.

There is no other way, amerikans and no one else, need to either f+ck them up or shut the f+ck up.

Posted by: A User | Nov 14 2019 9:38 utc | 86

Jackrabbit @ 50

I know you've bought into the notion of Trump fighting the Deep State.

It's a nice fairy-tale for the sheeple.

He's no better or worse than Obama and I think he's been marginally better than Clinton would have been, so given the choices forced on the American people by the DNC, I think they made the right decision, just.

Will Biden be any better? Nah.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 14 2019 9:45 utc | 87

bob #84
Thanks for reminding that training data determine results.

Then comes a realization that our own brains are neural networks too and they do learn from texts we read. So we are constrained by sum of information that was fed to us and in great extent we repeat and rehash what we ingested, be it good or bad. Not really news, but in the context of utmost bullshit that transformer AI can sometimes produce, the realization is even more painful. It's a reminder to pay attention to the quality of what we read.

Posted by: pppp | Nov 14 2019 9:50 utc | 88

@librul #75: I had better luck with my query (in bold):

Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself, he did not shoot himself, he was murdered by the Clintons and their henchmen.

Bill Clinton had Epstein locked up on a pedophilia charge that Epstein was actually acquitted of in 2008 due to "technicalities".

There is an entire chapter on the Epstein sex ring in a book called "Lolita".

The book is very graphic and discusses Epstein's sexual encounters with many of the young girls that he had brought to America.

According to the book, the girls were given drugs and alcohol and then abused by Epstein's friend and masseuse Ghislaine Maxwell.

Of course, Bill Clinton never had Epstein locked up and there's no book called "Lolita" about Epstein—this is the AI making things up. But the text is quite convincing until you start fact-checking it, isn't it? Also, the example shows that the AI is not propagandistic. It's the way you choose the starting words that produces pro-Empire or pro-truth results.

Posted by: S | Nov 14 2019 11:00 utc | 89

Seems the UK is following the way of the USA:

Life expectancy in UK falls amid rise in avoidable deaths in disadvantaged communities, report shows

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2019 11:13 utc | 90

I know beating a dead horse isn't funny. But it's Japan, so I'll never get tired of it:

Japan's economy grinds to near standstill as U.S.-China trade war bites

Very bold on the JT's part to blame this on the US-China trade war. Japan has been in absolute stagnation for four decades now.

If it wasn't for the Japanese fascist nature, where its people is literally willing to sacrifice everything (moral and material) in the name of the "emperor", the whole house would've been down by now.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2019 11:37 utc | 91

So long as the United States continues to serve its function as the core of the capitalist empire it will not be allowed to "break up". Literally $trillions have been invested in brainwashing conditioning and indoctrinating the American public into barking (or salivating) on command like Pavlov's dogs. This programming is, like religion, transgenerational (don't religious people ever wonder how it was that their parents were indoctrinated into the "one true religion" and not one of all of the fake ones that everyone else believes in?). The capitalist programming (TV programming) compounds from generation to generation, becoming more deeply ingrained over the decades in the culture regardless of the birth and passing away of individuals in that culture. For capitalism to throw that massive investment away and start over somewhere else is a ludicrous proposition. That is not going to happen until capitalism itself is dismantled.

Where else in the world can capitalism find a base of support like the American poopulation? Where else would the capitalists be cheered on for unleashing the fascists gangsters or imperial stormtroopers on defenseless countries attempting brave experiments to uplift their people?

As long as capitalism continues to need a home base to operate their death squads from, and a population to recruit enthusiastic cannon fodder from, then America will be maintained largely intact.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2019 11:54 utc | 92

India’s Q2 growth may shrink to 4.2%: SBI - Automobile sales, air travel, core sector growth, investment in construction and infrastructure all low

People who have been reading my comments already know that we must halve India's GDP rates because they are fraudulent. That means India may grow 2.1% in Q2 -- that's lower than the USA.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2019 12:10 utc | 93

@ Cherrycoke | Nov 14 2019 7:34 utc | 83

In Starship Troopers, the teenager Carl uses his psychic abilities to cause his pet ferret to bite Carl's mother's leg (thereby illustrating both his abilities and his lack of common morality). When both boys join the military, Rico becomes an army grunt, whereas Carl is inducted into military intelligence. At the end of the film, Carl uses his abilities to remotely influence Rico's actions in the pursuit of a brainbug.

The "are you psychic?" slogan is part of television commercials for recruiting military intelligence personnel.

I should credit not only Verhoeven for the film, but even more so Edward Neumeier, who wrote the screenplay. In doing so, he turned the original Heinlein book completely upside down, from a piece of thinly veiled military-fascist agitprop into a hilarious satire.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 14 2019 12:19 utc | 94

Integrity of White Hellments = 0? Interesting read; has many links useful toward developing an algorithm capable to debunk the false and misleading stuff in an article.

On another note:
117 JR, BreadonWaters Sorgrum @66 Jackrabbit @69 <=demonstrates the ability to establish and maintain an engineered (Catlin calls it constructed) narrative constructed from a matrix of propaganda that helps to position the main narrative as true in the minds of those who are blind to the technology they are victims of. see also the Integrity of White Hellments link @27, or detail about engineered narrative.

Don wills@72 the deep state does not exist.. confirms what Assad said, in the link @27..
the deep state is nothing more that a bunch of greedy investors and that means industry owners who have the means to get the USA and or other governments to use force to help the investors destroy and eliminate their economic competitors (Economic Zionism). Imagine the profits to be had in rebuilding Syria, or Yemen or Iraq and then image the long term contracts that can produce incomes for centuries to come. There is no deep state, there are many wealthy wall street backed and independent private investors capable to use the USA military to help the investors make money by destroying in order to rebuild it, a competitor in a foreign land .

Posted by: snake | Nov 14 2019 12:39 utc | 95

I don't know whether anyone else here has already posted this, but I noticed that an article over at Consortium News by Patrick Lawrence (also known as Patrick L. Smith) gave you a shout-out:

Last Tuesday, a day after Solomon published his report, Moon of Alabama, the much-followed web publication, posted a granularly researched and well-sourced timeline of the events surrounding Shokin’s dismissal at Vice President Biden’s request. This is the most complete chronology of the Burismagate story yet available.
Nice to know you're "much-followed" now, eh!

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Nov 14 2019 12:42 utc | 96

snake @95: It's actually a bunch of families, as Ms Thatcher said in a moment of candor. A few go waaay back. Other muscled in later on. And then there are all of their hangers-on and true-believers, who do most of the "work". The treasonous clerks of Benda.

Not organized? Indeed, that would be a mistake. As Ms Thatcher said in a moment of candor. Oligarchy in other words, and a secret oligarchy from the beginning. I suppose it was much easier to maintain back when most people could-not/did-not read. Like chickens in a fenced yard, it is better if they think they are free.

Corporations are too short-lived (most of them) to be the power, they serve as cutouts to insulate the owners from blame, liability, and retribution. They were invented for that purpose, I believe, as a shield for the wealthy, to pursue their criminal policies without consequences for themselves. "limited liability" is very important if you have big plans, because you know you are going to piss people off.

And they view us as inferiors and chattels, some perhaps worthy to join their world, if they serve the rich well.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2019 13:10 utc | 97

Are we going to see a "color revolution" in The Vatican? (via pl as SST)? Is this related to the recent events in Bolivia - the recent reassertion of the primacy of Christianity or more specifically, Catholicism in Bolivian politics.

100 priests, lay scholars call Pope Francis to repent for Pachamama idolatry at Amazon Synod

Going back a bit:
Donald Trump, who has publicly criticized Francis, has not interfered as his surrogates, who include former White House strategist Steve Bannon; Cardinal Raymond Burke, the former Archbishop of St. Louis; Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States; and others have conspired with the powerful fascist-oriented Opus Dei sect of the church to undermine Francis’s authority. Trump’s eyes and ears inside the Vatican – US ambassador to the Holy See Callista Bisek Gingrich – is the wife of Newt Gingrich, the former Republican Speaker of the US House of Representatives, a convert to Catholicism, and a major Trump political ally.

Neo-cons at it again.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 14 2019 13:24 utc | 98

Rise of the machines postponed: Boeing relies on humans again after robots fail its 777X jet fuselage assembly

This is a great opportunity to propagandize here one of the most important Economics works ever published in the 20th Century: Henryk Grossman's The Law of Accumulation and Breakdown of the Capitalist System. Published just a few days before the 1929 crash, it refutes a lot of arguments that would become common place in the post-war Left in the West. It also explains, scientifically, why the episode of the link above happened.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2019 13:37 utc | 99

Agree with all the love for Verhoeven's film, Starship Troopers. In my mind he will go down ad the best European making American films ever.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 14 2019 14:02 utc | 100

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