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November 01, 2019

Impeachment Theater

Ukrainegate is the new Russiagate. The 'whistleblower complaint' is the new 'dirty dossier'. The 'former' MI6 spy Christopher Steele wrote the dossier. The current CIA spy Eric Ciaramella wrote the 'complaint':

Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella, a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

Further, Ciaramella (pronounced char-a-MEL-ah) left his National Security Council posting in the White House’s West Wing in mid-2017 amid concerns about negative leaks to the media. He has since returned to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

“He was accused of working against Trump and leaking against Trump,” said a former NSC official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

Also, Ciaramella huddled for “guidance” with the staff of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, including former colleagues also held over from the Obama era whom Schiff’s office had recently recruited from the NSC. Schiff is the lead prosecutor in the impeachment inquiry.

And Ciaramella worked with a Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, inviting her into the White House for meetings, former White House colleagues said. The operative, Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who supported Hillary Clinton, led an effort to link the Republican campaign to the Russian government. “He knows her. He had her in the White House,” said one former co-worker, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

The whole impeachment show the Democrats launched is a major political mistake.


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The Democrats have chosen the wrong issue, Ukraine, where they themselves have a lot of ballast. The choice of a Trump phonecall with the Ukrainian president as the item to hang the impeachment on is especially dumb. Trump's call was less incriminating than Biden's pressure on the Ukrainian president to help his son's paymaster. It is also a mistake to let the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff run the impeachment process. Schiff already flip-flopped over requesting the 'whistleblower' to testify after it was reported that two members of his staff, who knew Ciaramella from working with him at the Obama National Security Council, had advised him.

The process will create a lot of collateral damage. It will hurt a number people involved in it, but it will not hurt Trump with his electorate. It will not end with impeachment. I believe, like Noam Chomsky, that it will, in the end, even help Trump:

"Is it politically wise? I frankly doubt it. I think it’ll turn out pretty much like the Mueller report, which, that I thought was also a political mistake. What’ll happen is probably the House will impeach, goes to the Senate. The Republican senators are utterly craven. They’re terrified of Trump’s voting base. So they’ll vote to turn down the impeachment request. Trump will come along, say I’m vindicated. Say it was the Deep State and the treacherous Dems trying to overturn the election. Oh, vote for me."

Trump can be beaten by good policies. Instead of offering any the Democrats try to defeat him with theater. But Trump is a much better showman than Schiff or any other Democrat. It almost looks as if they want Trump to win.

Posted by b on November 1, 2019 at 17:25 UTC | Permalink

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karlof1 @93: I'll stand my ground... and get some rabbit for dinner.

Why do you take criticism so personally?

I outlined how the Executive Branch DOES ACT unconstitutionally without reliance upon uncertain legal theories related to UN charter. IMO that is more than enough justification for your view of USA illegality.

AFAIK, unconstitutional acts are always, and at all times, unconstitutional (that means retroactive effect). The only thing lacking is a ruling by USSC. And that won't happen until someone with standing (Congressperson, I believe) takes the matter to USSC.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 2:01 utc | 101

lysias 98 US when it comes to international law has been lawless since 1986.

"The Republic of Nicaragua v. The United States of America (1986) ICJ 1 is a public international law case decided by the International Court of Justice (ICJ). The ICJ ruled in favor of Nicaragua and against the United States and awarded reparations to Nicaragua. The ICJ held that the U.S. had violated international law by supporting the Contras in their rebellion against the Nicaraguan government and by mining Nicaragua's harbors. The United States refused to participate in the proceedings after the Court rejected its argument that the ICJ lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. The U.S. also blocked enforcement of the judgment by the United Nations Security Council and thereby prevented Nicaragua from obtaining any compensation.[2]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

In the last decades, US has used things like R2P and coalitions and so forth, but under Trump, US is dropping most pretenses.
Pompeo at times is as honest as Trump when it comes to US and what it is.
I linked a video in an earlier comment to Pompeo, but then I realised there was a bit more to "We lied, we cheated, we stole." The piece that was cut off in the earlier video I linked " It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE9zczFARuM

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2019 2:13 utc | 102

We can all wish that things were different, but they are what they are. So we have to recognize what exists and look out for ourselves. And a little shot of Edward Abbey is pain relief sometimes. Some quips from an anarchist:
>I know my own nation best. That's why I despise it the most. And I know and love my own people, too, the swine. I'm a patriot. A dangerous man!
>A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
>Democracy--rule by the people--sounds like a fine thing; we should try it sometime in America.
>>No man is wise enough to be another man's master. Each man's as good as the next -- if not a damn sight better.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 2:29 utc | 103

The Bushes were a CIA family. William Barr's first jobs after college were with the CIA, and his father was OSS. This has been the CIA's attitude towards law from the start. They've largely been running the country since the JFK assassination, and now they're out in the open trying to topple an elected president.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 2 2019 2:31 utc | 104

The non Trump section of the swamp is not going down without a fight..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-giuliani/giuliani-associate-charged-in-ukraine-linked-case-denied-release-from-house-arrest-idUSKBN1XB3XQ?il=0
"Federal prosecutors have accused Fruman and Parnas of using a shell company to donate $325,000 to the pro-Trump committee and of raising money for former U.S. Representative Pete Sessions of Texas as part of an effort to have the president remove the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

That effort was carried out at the request of at least one Ukrainian official, prosecutors said. Trump ordered the ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch, removed in May."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2019 2:33 utc | 105

b said;" The whole impeachment show the Democrats launched is a major political mistake."

Exactly b, and most Dems know it. That's the whole point, find a way to pretend they want
DJT gone, when in reality, they love what this Admin. is doing. Devolving the Gov. so their corporate masters can rake in more $ thru deregulation.

Big $ has finally achieved it's goal of of complete and total hegemony in the U$A.

Pelosi & Schumer are sycophants for the uber-wealthy, along with the majority of both parties.

Let the theater continue..

Posted by: ben | Nov 2 2019 2:54 utc | 106

Known cost of Intel: $80 Billion for 17 Agencies.
Results? No known benefits.
Unknown cost: The damage they do.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 3:17 utc | 107

While you're here defending that bastard Trump he's changing his residence to Florida so the SDNY can't access his taxes. Boy, he sure goes to extreme measures to hide his finances! Now you know there's something fishy there that can sink him. I just want the Feds to snap on those bracelets already and haul him away like the CON he is. Trump is the Don of corruption and yet here you are washing him clean day after day. If you were a beggar on the street he'd spit on the spare change others left, or look the other way in disgust. That's the reality check you would need.

Your defense of Trump has become the epitome of boredom, nauseum replay and hypocrisy.

I wish we could go back to discussing Syria, cause you know your boy Trump lied through his teeth when he said the troops were leaving. I just can't stomach this exercise in whitewashing the lowest common denominator or as he calls those disloyal to him: human scum. He's describing himself, but you just won't believe him.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 3:38 utc | 108

Oh come on Circe, you really have got to see Trump's good points, like no active wars, which your friend Hillary certainly would have brought us. Why do you love Hillary so much?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 3:43 utc | 109

32 ptb

Sanders would clock Trump in the general election and again it's the DNC's job to prevent it. In fact, Sanders would have by far the best chance to flip the Senate. In-depth, credible public opinion surveys (as opposed to contrived polls) in the US have for decades now consistently shown the American people are considerably more liberal than either corporate party. All Sanders needs is some uninterrupted one-on-one prim time with the electorate.

Posted by: Artful Dodger | Nov 2 2019 3:58 utc | 110

Known cost of Intel: $80 Billion for 17 Agencies.
Results? No known benefits.
Unknown cost: The damage they do.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 3:17 utc | 106

Since the activity is secret, so are the benefits! Actually, as a place for work, "agencies" offer a number of benefits, especially post-employment opportunities.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 2 2019 4:40 utc | 111

Circe, for all of Trump's faults, do you really want Pence instead?

It sure does look like the 2 wings of the uni-party are working like crazy to keep the population distracted and to keep the people from gaining any real power. I suspect that was the point of the anti-Trump limp dick "coup", to prevent a true populist, until they discovered that it was all BS. Since then the ruse has been kept up because he has been fantastic for the oligarch class and the empire, which just so happens to include the legislature but it keeps people distracted from the anti-populist actions by the endless word salad from all sides.

Posted by: sorghum | Nov 2 2019 5:24 utc | 112

smoothie wrote a good overview of this 'whistleblower' and etc... some folks here would enjoy reading it..

Whistle While You Work...

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2019 5:38 utc | 113

The Republicans will be help with Mike Pence too. But I don't think they want to face the wrath of Trump supporters at election time. It will be interesting to see what happens. And if Pelosi's face further cracks. :) This is going to be a race to the finish for Trump & Pelosi.

Posted by: Westcoast | Nov 2 2019 6:43 utc | 114

Don Bacon @108

No active wars; that's rich. Trump is like a drone operator; it's all very clean and sanituzed. He kills by proxy.

Wow! Just because I clearly see Trump for what he is, I must be with the cackling bloodthirsty witch, Hillary, or the ass-kissing V.P. Pence who goes to Church on Sunday and supports an immoral, depraved element from Monday to Saturday. Maybe on Sunday he's cleansing himself from having to do what you all do here every day: sell his soul to Trump.

Have you no self-respect?

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 6:49 utc | 115

@ circe 114

Well, if you're going to have a dog in the impeachment hunt at all (I don't, since I recognize it as pure theatrical idiocy) then you have to be "for" someone. Unfortunately the option of getting rid of a president and replacing him with no one isn't available right now.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 2 2019 7:21 utc | 116

That Schiff, Pelosi and Ciaramella should be able to get away with such openly fraudulent and treasonous conduct in a direct attempt to remove the elected President is incomprehensible. Can't they be indicted for treason, fraud, perjury and contempt of Congress? (The contempt of Congress at least would most likely entail a vote of Congress, unlikely to pass until after the next election). Is there something equivalent to an independent "Inspector General" responsible for dealing with misconduct of members of the House?

From the Federalist article:
ADAM SCHIFF: Director, do I have your assurance that once you work out the security clearances for the whistleblower’s counsel, that that whistleblower will be able to relate the full facts within his knowledge that concern wrongdoing by the president or anyone else, that he or she will not be inhibited in what they can tell our committee, that there will not be some minder from the White House or elsewhere sitting next to them telling them what they can answer or not answer?

Oh, erm, what was it I was reading the Republican committee members asked Ciaramella, whereupon Schiff immediately ordered Ciaramella not to answer? [Oops! I think that was probably Vindman, I can't see the reference for the moment.)

This man Schiff is a disgrace (always was, but now most obscenely so). He urgently needs to be removed from his positions as he is bringing such contempt to the Congress. If this man could be thoroughly and honestly investigated, and all his papers examined, there would be such a stench of rotting worms the whole of Congress would need to be evacuated.

Posted by: BM | Nov 2 2019 7:23 utc | 117

Circe #114

"he kils by proxy"

So are you saying Trump is as good as Obummer, as bad as Obummer or defending both?

I have no time for either and I am pleased MOA is here to analyse both and all the ignorant shenanigans of the world.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 2 2019 7:23 utc | 118

Trump can be beaten by good policies. Instead of offering any the Democrats try to defeat him with theater. But Trump is a much better showman than Schiff or any other Democrat. It nearly looks as if they want Trump to win.

It's not just that Trump is a good showman. It's that the American mass is enthralled with the craven image of itself reflected back by Trump. He's the ugly American inside them that they've been crying out to release. Trump is deliverering them from self-restraint, and inhibition. He's telling them it's okay to embrace hypocrisy, greed, selfish global domination, material infatuation, ignorance, deception and racist hubris.

Trump is a full-throttle Zionist that appeals to the rapture-longing Evangelicals and the supremacy-covetous Zionist order and ironically many of you here.

The problem with Democrats is that in many ways they offer no different, especially in regards to Zionism, and eat their own kind who rebel against Zionism and the neoliberalism that protects it. They have all the same flaws as the Trump-enamoured mass except that they cover themselves with a veneer of pseudo-intellectual elitism, political correctness and hypocritical humanitarianism.

Authentic rebel liberals and libertarians don't stand a chance in Zionist America and you're contributing to that reality by endorsing Trump while you waste your energy putting down Democrats 100 different ways without lifting up the few that offer an authentic difference. Blech. 🙁

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 7:57 utc | 119

@115 Russ

I've stated repeatedly that I'm for Sanders.

The long-winded, even prolific, passionate defense of Trump and vindictive dredging up of failed Democrats past around here is a MONUMENTAL WASTE on a scumbag Trump who doesn't deserve such effort.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 8:11 utc | 120

Impeachment Theater

What kind of theater is this? If only, perhaps, the theater of the absurd. But everything that has been happening lately is more and more reminiscent of a circus, in the arena of which clowns perform.

Posted by: CircusLover | Nov 2 2019 8:25 utc | 121

Let me put it this way. Sanders had a heart attack and is STILL fighting. That speaks volumes on his authenticity, his determination to change direction and the urgency with which he rightly views this moment in time and his mission.

You are here supporting decay and autocracy. It's shameful. Stop this shet already! Quit padding Zionist Trump's defense! He's just a bigger, betterreptile in the same ol' swamp. LET HIM SINK, DAMMIT. Who the fcuk cares how it happens!!!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 8:32 utc | 122

Oh, and one more thing to nitwits who think it's better Trump should go down at the ballot box. Wrong! Wrong! And Wrong again. Americans are too stupid to vote this goon out of office. They proved it when they voted for Bush AND Obama TWICE. He needs to go down ASAP. If Trump's dirt is too well-concealed to take him down, INVENT IT. This is one time when I'd forego ethics and side with the end justifies the MEANS.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 8:46 utc | 123

circe 119 "I've stated repeatedly that I'm for Sanders."

circe 122 "Oh, and one more thing to nitwits who think it's better Trump should go down at the ballot box. Wrong! Wrong! And Wrong again. Americans are too stupid to vote this goon out of office. They proved it when they voted for Bush AND Obama TWICE. He needs to go down ASAP. If Trump's dirt is too well-concealed to take him down, INVENT IT. This is one time when I'd forego ethics and side with the end justifies the MEANS."

That seems like a contradiction. The Democrats already would prefer to lose to Trump than win with Sanders. And if somehow Trump were ousted in favor of Pence, that might encourage the Democrats to think they could actually win with one of their straight-up corporate candidates. That would further reduce the already negligible chances of Sanders getting the nomination. Seems to me a Sanders partisan ought to prefer that Trump be running.


Posted by: Russ | Nov 2 2019 9:27 utc | 124

all that would happen if trump actually got impeached and booted out is pence would be president.
oh and the intel community would have even more control. why this would be desirable to somebody who wants to change the system is unclear.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 10:37 utc | 125

For the hysterical Trump Derangement Syndrome jello-brained fools saying Trump is killing people in secret or something ridiculous like that, check out the list of drone murders in Pakistan as a rather typical illustration. The trend is the same for Yemen and Afghanistan.

Here are the crucial totals for Pakistan:

  • Strikes under the Bush Administration: 51
  • Strikes under the Obama Administration: 373
  • Strikes under the Trump Administration: 5
  • 84 of the 2,379 dead have been identified as members of al-Qaeda

"O-bomber" is an apt sobriquet for the previous Nobel Peace Prize winning PotUS.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 2 2019 11:12 utc | 126

Circe,

our host is providing a critical service, so I would appreciate if you would stop coming in and taking a crap on the rug. I take b at his word when he says he is opposed to many things Trump is doing.

this portion of your comment is incredibly dangerous:

He needs to go down ASAP. If Trump's dirt is too well-concealed to take him down, INVENT IT. This is one time when I'd forego ethics and side with the end justifies the MEANS."

your Trump Derangement Syndrome appears to metastasizing to your brain. Trump's dirt isn't too well-concealed to take him down, nope, the real nasty stuff that could take him down could delegitimize our entire political system. think Epstein hanging out on his island while ALL his accomplices walk free.

if you didn't suffer from TDS you would understand how dangerous this Ukrainegate farce actually is. the ends DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

the ONLY way Trump's removal doesn't end up in some new form of civil war is if Brennan, Clapper, Comey and the Clintons are also hauled away to the clink.

I for one appreciate how the Trump phenomenon has unmasked the unelected permanent power structure supposedly aligned against him. if I was forced to choose sides right now in an impending civil war, it wouldn't be the treasonous DNC/intelligence nexus I would choose to fight for.

why don't you take a break and go do something more productive, like read a book. if you read something like John Potash's Drugs As Weapons Against Us you might actually learn something about the side you are defending in this charade. I for one would certainly appreciate less hyperventilating from TDS victim. thanks.

Posted by: lizard | Nov 2 2019 11:29 utc | 127

Addendum to my previous post:

If American society ever radically alters to achieve some degree of sanity in the future it is most likely that Trump will be in the history books as a heroic figure bucking the tide of bat-shit crazy that gripped the nation as its empire died.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 2 2019 11:32 utc | 128

james @113: Thanks for the smoothie, that's good stuff.

If you think that a person who does such research as this “Structural ambiguity in the Georgian verbal noun” is a serious analyst, I have a bridge to sell. Knowing language is just a first step in knowing cultures and nations. The idea that some barely 30 years old kid can have a profound understanding of factors forming geopolitical balance by merely studying language or working in the Wold Bank is preposterous. It is not even the issue of IQ-driven so called intelligence metric. I met many people with IQ through the roof and some of them were one of the most impressive dumbfvcks I ever encountered in my life. The issue here is deeper--you literally have brainwashed political operatives, most of them not even book-smart, who are excreted every year from the American "humanities" programs who have "credentials" but have zero actual serious skills which are imperative for a serious statesmanship. They simply do not teach this in the US, nor can it be changed because the whole machine of the US "humanities" education pulsates between two extremes: one is of a complete deconstruction of the American history and culture into one non-stop genocide by whites of everyone else or, on the other extreme, utterly delusional exceptionalist shining city on the hill narrative with latter being as false as the former one. Few common sense and objective views which exist in between are pure coincidence which are there despite a totally corrupt educational system in the US when dealing with humanities. If you think that a person who does such research as this “Structural ambiguity in the Georgian verbal noun” is a serious analyst, I have a bridge to sell. Knowing language is just a first step in knowing cultures and nations. The idea that some barely 30 years old kid can have a profound understanding of factors forming geopolitical balance by merely studying language or working in the Wold Bank is preposterous. It is not even the issue of IQ-driven so called intelligence metric. I met many people with IQ through the roof and some of them were one of the most impressive dumbfvcks I ever encountered in my life. The issue here is deeper--you literally have brainwashed political operatives, most of them not even book-smart, who are excreted every year from the American "humanities" programs who have "credentials" but have zero actual serious skills which are imperative for a serious statesmanship. They simply do not teach this in the US, nor can it be changed because the whole machine of the US "humanities" education pulsates between two extremes: one is of a complete deconstruction of the American history and culture into one non-stop genocide by whites of everyone else or, on the other extreme, utterly delusional exceptionalist shining city on the hill narrative with latter being as false as the former one. Few common sense and objective views which exist in between are pure coincidence which are there despite a totally corrupt educational system in the US when dealing with humanities.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 11:40 utc | 129

Impeachment is not a "major mistake" by the Democrats. If we assume that Trump is 4real then it is the only thing they can do, otherwise the Biden/Ukrainegate thing (IF it is really pursued) will see the whole upper tier (and more) of the Democratic and Republican political bandits in prison (because they have all been carpetbagging in Ukraine). For the same reason (if this is 4real) then, after the Democratic Congress have impeached Trump, the Republican Senate will follow suit.

Chomsky's often stated opinion that the Republican Party is "utterly craven" is utterly meaningless and a point of no meaningful distinction with the Democratic Party.

At this moment in time the US/Western financial system is at it's weakest since the 2008 crash and is far weaker than the circumstances than the period and circumstances that led up to that crash. If the crash happens during the forthcoming period of the impeachment/Biden/Ukrainegate interregnum (which it is highly likely to do) then everything and everyone will forget immediately about impeachment/Biden/Ukrainegate and will be much more concerned about what happened to their job, pensions, money, etc. while everything they own becomes worthless and everything they need becomes unaffordable. Americans will need to be more together then they have ever been; instead they are divided and at eachother's throats

The US political system is fiddling while it's financial system and institutions are preparing to collapse.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 2 2019 11:53 utc | 130

if the cia were running the country since jfk assassination, there wouldn't have been a church committee, and they wouldn't have needed an october surprise to take down carter. they wouldn't need a wurlitzer campaign to take down trump, and they would have whacked george bush jr when he took down one of their agents. they are trying to run the country, but they don't yet. the fact is most presidents are on board with their bullshit, and it doesn't take a threatened assassination to make that happen.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 12:01 utc | 131

Peter AU1 @ 100

Once a Deep State 'Spook' who has been vetted/trained/conditioned/approved by those 'powers that be' = always a Spook. Unless, he has shown some type of leveling and de-programming that by some miracle has occurred.

Posted by: Jayne | Nov 2 2019 12:12 utc | 132

You're parroting the Trump party-line and I cannot respect your views any longer, b. You have forfeit your claim to objectivity in the face of Trump's blatant authoritarian and unconstitutional behavior. You cannot invoke the doddering old gatekeeper Chomsky to signal your leftiness. Ciao.

Posted by: jadan | Nov 2 2019 12:13 utc | 133

Jadan @ 133

No, he's not? This blog doesn't have to conform to some pathetic right vs. left Sunday morning political show contrasted as an American football game, it's a lot more sophisticated than that with many layers of players, ideologies, whacky faction religions and the yes the Borg -- LOL. Trump is just the showman.

Posted by: Jayne | Nov 2 2019 12:22 utc | 134

BM @ 117

This man Schiff is a disgrace (always was, but now most obscenely so).

Too true.
He urgently needs to be removed from his positions ..

Nah, he should be left in place to fuck up the impeachment and bring disgrace and contempt on the Democratic Party. That might be the only way to bring about real change in the Democratic Party.
.. he is bringing such contempt to the Congress.

Nah, Congress already deserves a shitload of contempt.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 2 2019 12:30 utc | 135

jadan neglected to explain why president pence would be preferable, assuming one buys the bullshit about ukrainegate or russiagate.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 12:34 utc | 136

Bemildred @ 129

You don't need to say the same thing twice. Or do you have secret formulae?

Posted by: Quentin | Nov 2 2019 12:38 utc | 137

From smoothie as quoted by Bemildred @129 and linked by james @113: "...US "humanities" education pulsates between two extremes: one is of a complete deconstruction of the American history and culture into one non-stop genocide by whites of everyone else or, on the other extreme, utterly delusional exceptionalist shining city on the hill narrative..."

It is important to realize that these two extremes run in parallel in the fragmented minds of the supposedly "educated" in America. Is it any wonder then that such "educated" layers of the society believe reality to be sufficiently malleable that fantasy identities can be made real through sufficient wishing and active suppression of disbelief? "If Trump hasn't done the evil that we want to believe he has done, then it is OK to just make it up!" is seen as perfectly reasonable to these people with permanent fugues in their heads.

And those are humanities grads! We are not even talking here about business majors whose training (like a circus animal) is to be able to generate reams of grammatically comprehensible yet semantically empty text. This last portion of what passes for America's intelligentsia don't even have fugues in their heads, only fragments of previous chunks of TV media they've consumed running in loops.

Now take these properly trained "professionals" out of storage from their cubicles in Langley and away from their cookie-cutter McMansions in suburban northern Virginia and drop them in "enemy territory" in the CIA's fortress-like embassy in Havana. Away from the artificial worlds of manicured lawns and fake-smile neighbors with the insecticide trucks puffing down the street every week, for the first time in their lives they hear a real cicada, or the squeaky belt drive of an old fashioned air conditioner. Combine this with the additional dislocation of regular old culture shock and is it any wonder they they become convinced that their already atomized minds are under attack by secret Soviet brain rays?

Given that Americans, both faux-left and fake-right, sneer at rigorous hard sciences, these are what passes for America's "best and brightest" these days. And so American diplomats are clueless of the cultures they are trying to subvert for their empire, American "journalists" believe the false narratives that they themselves spun just the day before, and America's airliners designed to requirements mandated by America's top business leaders fly themselves into the ground.

This is how empire dies: in delusion and denial of reality.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 2 2019 12:40 utc | 138

@ circe 119

I completely agree with your assessment. I don't see a viable solution for the very reasons you state. The problem isn't Trump, it is the true mentality and morals of the American culture.

Posted by: Sorghum | Nov 2 2019 12:50 utc | 139

Quentin @137: Repetition seems better than incoherence. What do secret formulas have to do with a erroneous double paste? Did you have something you want to talk about or are you just annoyed?

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 13:00 utc | 140

jadan @133

The problem you have with your presumed position in opposition to b's post (that Biden is innocent and was not involved in Ukranian corruption and carpetbagging [perhaps your position is that there was none?]) is patently untrue.

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 2 2019 13:21 utc | 141

Ms Johnstone's latest:

Things Are Only Going To Get Weirder

It reminds me of the 60-70s it does, Jim Morrison would feel right at home. A yeasty mix of crazy people and spooks and a bunch more who are both.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 13:36 utc | 142

Y'allz discussion of legality of orders minded me that officers and enlisted take different oaths, if memory serves. Look them up and read them...then read the USC and the UN Charter et al... and a reading of the corpus of the UCMJ will fill in the rest.

And about responsibilities...see "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder".

There Mr B makes specific arguments in Law, which generally apply down the chain of command right now.

Every killing in this foreign adventure is a consequence of a felony, eg felony murder at a minimum...and how many? Millions and working toward more.

In my own ROTC days (a very long time ago) my CO and I privately discussed the M16 rounds then being developed...and that WW2 (and Korea) wounded vet (twice wounded in combat) said that the .223 round was illegal under the laws of war. That's true...every wound from M16 is a crime in and of itself.

Seems to me that the US said that the wooden bullets sometimes used by Japan were criminal...back in th' day...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 2 2019 13:48 utc | 143

Karlof1,petri, lysias and others,(@40s) thank you for your details and focus on the U.S. government's crimes and actions in Ukraine, especially pointing to Obama. His name is left out of most blogs and discussions and I think is key to a critical need for us to redirect our future conversations and actions: we need to identify the neoliberal/neocon trojan horses early and often. I voted for Obama in 08 and was shocked as he immediately began filling his cabinet with neoliberal/neocons-- Geitner, Hillary, Gates, Summers, etc.
Obama's life and actions are a texbook explanation of how humans develop on the sociopathic spectrum. Not all sociopaths are evil-looking monsters. Obama, Biden, Buttigieg, Kamala, W... but their actions always expose them. We, as fellow humans and sentient beings, must develop filters that trigger deeper probes into their actions over time and their sociopathic-- even psychopatic actions will emerge.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 2 2019 13:53 utc | 144

From Michael Roberts' blog facebook:

The US stock market reaches yet new highs as investors hope for a trade deal between China and the US and the Federal Reserve Bank cuts interest rates again. But US corporate profits are falling significantly.

Patrick Hill, Editor of The Progressive Ensign, explains this contradiction from data on corporate profits, rising corporate debt, increased share buybacks and dividends, and falling international sales.


The Market Soars... As Corporate Profits Slump!

Cash is the lifeblood of a company, but a company can’t borrow money forever without being a viable profitable entity able to pay back debt.

"Non-financial corporations have taken on record debt at 47% to GDP. The last time corporations approached this level of debt was during the Great Recession."

"The profit margin squeeze has been happening over the past 4 ½ years, well before the trade war started. Profits were flat for the past nine years, supported by a huge corporate tax cut from the Tax Cut Bill of 2018. The contraction in profit margins has been the longest one on record since WWII. Note how recessions usually follow steep declines in profit margins at 1 to 4 years."

"profit margins are declining due to declining international sales. It is difficult to maintain healthy margins when sales are falling due to base spending for sales, support, and transportation to reach a certain sales threshold of profitability. Major corporations face increasing trade headwinds."

"The SPX soaring to new heights tells us that stock market complacency is at record levels in appraising stock valuations versus actual corporate profits. The chart below shows how wide the gap has become which is about twice the gap size just before the Dotcom decline into 2002 from a peak in 2000."

For more on this, see my post.

The problem is not only that the Dems elite cannot give a viable alternative, but that the Trumpist elite's strategy is also not working.

Honestly, I can't see a solution for the structural crisis the USA is going through now except a revolution. But the American people has clearly signalled to the rest of the world they won't do a revolution. We must prepare for WWIII.

Posted by: vk | Nov 2 2019 13:56 utc | 145

vk @145

Everywhere you look in the US/West financial system there is unmanageable and increasing debt and insurmountable, unsolvable and increasing problems; the forthcoming collapse will be horrendous (worst than 1929; with no resources or strategies of mitigation except war).

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 2 2019 14:18 utc | 146

@16 Someone
i thought it was apartheid's fault? surely amerika's demise is due to verwoerd's revenge

Posted by: Comp | Nov 2 2019 14:19 utc | 147

"Trump can be beaten by good policies. " - well, that's the problem in a nutshell. The DNC absolutely refuses to consider "good policies" as an election strategy - preferring continued neoliberal Wall Street loyal war-mongering mayhem.

Posted by: Gary Weglarz | Nov 2 2019 14:34 utc | 148

Well, some may see this as a bit odd, but... see "They Live, We Sleep: Beware the Growing Evil in Our Midst" in whatever...an essay by J W Whitehead. I am fairly confidant it's right on topic...and with Crosstalk's bit with brother Ray (up now) as a buttress...

"For the final hammer of fascism to fall, it will require the most crucial ingredient: the majority of the people will have to agree that it’s not only expedient but necessary."


Huummmdair... It's sorts film review, and about theater itself.

The essay's on several sites, but the informationclearinghouse site has brother Lenard's "Everybody Knows as a lagniappe fe y'allz' enjoyment (it's fairgud)

Posted by: Walter | Nov 2 2019 14:51 utc | 149

Bemildred @ 142

Thank you for linking to Johnstone's article.

Human consciousness is of great interest to the 'powers that be', therefore it doesn't take a flying leap to say they would like control over that said consciousness programming. In fact, they've always been interested e.g. Edward Bernays, and our State controlled Media - having its 'purge' at the moment -- so our brains don't have to think so hard.

I believe it goes beyond the obvious that we should take note of those 'heavily' promoted and marketed in the Coach/Spiritual Guru field (and "the where the hell do they get their $$$ to promote this kinda stuff?"), Through personal experience I have found that those in the Shift/Waking Consciousness movement should be viewed just as much with a discerning 'eye' -- as those who are our politicians.

We came out of the "Industrial Age!" decades ago. Plus, with the "mechanisms of truth?", we should look more closely at what those current 'mechanisms' are in play that are apparently making the transition/mutation "less traumatic" for us. Any coach, or spiritual guru that doesn't provide an honest depiction of what the 'digital age' is capable of in the forms of AI and 'especially' Google's AI consciousness agenda (aligned with the 'powers that be') that can twist said human consciousness should be taken with a massive bag of salt.


Posted by: Jayne | Nov 2 2019 14:55 utc | 150

getting tired of karlof1's self-righteous ranting. PeterAU in contrast provides valuable facts which are otherwise hard to come by

Posted by: dickr | Nov 2 2019 14:59 utc | 151

'Impeachment theatre' is an excellent way to describe it! In a system where all parties are bought and paid for by the oligarchs, there are no true policy differences between them so the only way to 'campaign' for elections is to make up nonsense like the current impeachment drama (or the 'the Russians did it' nonsense). The whole 'left'/'right' political divide is now nonsense...the only divide now is 'us' versus 'them'...

https://richardhennerley.com/2018/10/30/its-not-left-vs-right-its-us-vs-them/

Posted by: Richard | Nov 2 2019 15:00 utc | 152

Walter 143

The problem with the M16 is not the bullet. The first two years, barrels had little spin due
to the rifling being to slow and after a few yards, the bullet started tumbling and made horrible
wounds.

This problem was corrected when barrel had a different ratio. So was I told during my soldiering years.

Posted by: CarlD | Nov 2 2019 15:10 utc | 153

@ dickr | Nov 2 2019 14:59 utc | 151

Then skip Karlof's postings.
Or, maybe, just maybe, is this another attempt to silence a valuable poster all together?

Posted by: Hmpf | Nov 2 2019 15:24 utc | 154

Now take these properly trained "professionals" out of storage from their cubicles in Langley and away from their cookie-cutter McMansions in suburban northern Virginia and drop them in "enemy territory" in the CIA's fortress-like embassy in Havana. Away from the artificial worlds of manicured lawns and fake-smile neighbors with the insecticide trucks puffing down the street every week, for the first time in their lives they hear a real cicada, or the squeaky belt drive of an old fashioned air conditioner. Combine this with the additional dislocation of regular old culture shock and is it any wonder they they become convinced that their already atomized minds are under attack by secret Soviet brain rays?

To all those inconvenients in Havana, you must add the unsurmontable humid hot weather which unables you to remain out in the streets for more than two hours under the sun without needing to oo into some airconditioned environment/place and take some cold drink to recover yourself a bit...and conspiracy theories about intents on finishing you is the least you will start imagining while you, along your brain, well, directly melts...

Then, if US Embassy in Havana would be even a fortress...like El Morro, with its beautiful views...but, is it more like an ugly iron building like a bunker, in the middle of a part of long Malecón which does not impress by its urbanization precisely, and which has in front an explanade now full of empty flag mats that look like spears.... called Tribuna Antiimperialista...

Nightmares are to be expected....

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 15:36 utc | 155

Jayne @150: Well, you made me go read it more closely.

It's something I'm conscious of all the time, the "falling away of patterns", I think of it as decadence most of the time, but one can theorize about spooks conditioning us too, and I don't doubt some of them try with some sort of "success", but by the very fact that they are trying to do that I think they are too dumb to carry it off very well. Of course conspiracy theories run rampant in such decadent times too. Another falling away.

Trump is very emblematic of that, and he's an agent of change for sure. I get a little uncomfortable with Ms Johnstone's theorizing about hidden forces, but I am well aware that that talky part of my mind is not all that is going on, so what she says there agrees with my own experience. And I give her a lot of credit for undertaking and writing about such investigations. Brave stuff.

Lord knows we are surrounded with attempts to "condition" us these days, you just cannot escape from the yapping when out in public for example, and everything is covered with ads. A very un-natural environment, you have to admit.

The USA has always been the land of hucksters and grifters, modern media just hyped that to the max. I quite agree if you want to be saved, you're better off to do it without paid help.

As for the people who are working at this very moment to turn us all into obedient suit-droids, it seems clear on the one hand they can do a lot of damage with their follies, but on the other hand I think they are going to have much bigger problems before long. The utopian technocratic future they dream of looks very infeasible to me.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 15:59 utc | 156

The impeachment process may redound to Trump's favor, but only if the charges against him are limited to Ukrainegate. The list of more serious impeachment-worthy offenses is a long one, and the inquiry could be dragged out well into the election season. Under such a scenario, Trump would come out badly damaged, even if he is not removed from office, which most Americans would see as a politically partisan result. Of course, his hard-core base will never desert him, but other Republicans and Independents will, and Democratic voters will come out in force.

Are the Democrats and Adam Schiff up to the task of running a proper impeachment inquiry and gaining as much political capital as they might? My hopes are not high. Nancy Pelosi does not have her heart in it, and Schiff is a mad dog grandstander and never-say-die Russiagater. I cannot trust their judgement on this or almost any other matter.

Posted by: Rob | Nov 2 2019 16:09 utc | 157

CIA-RAM-EllA, gad, where do they find this filth? This guy should be handed an empty pistol to beat himself to death.

And....Christopher Steele "wrote" the Steele "dossier"?
At least MoA knows the punch line to dark humor.

Posted by: Kupkee | Nov 2 2019 16:12 utc | 158

@126 william gruff.. you might find this article alters the equation some..

CIA’s Afghan Militias Are ‘Death Squads,’ Rights Group Says

and it was going on under obama as well..article from 2010 America’s Secret Afghan Prisons .. so maybe trump isn't all that different in maintaining the murder rate of the us military..

@129 bemildred... you're welcome! smoothie writes good articles generally.. i enjoy his writing either way!

@130 adkc quote: "The US political system is fiddling while it's financial system and institutions are preparing to collapse." it looks that way to me as well..

@138 william gruff quote:"This is how empire dies: in delusion and denial of reality." so true...

ignore the broken records folks.. there are a few of them regularly appearing in the sound booth!


Posted by: james | Nov 2 2019 16:22 utc | 159

lizard@127

Uh, why don't YOU go read a book instead. Labelling someone as having TDS is akin to labelling someone anti$emitic. First it's a condescending disguised control-driven adhom intended to censor, belittle, demonize and squash opposing thought and elevate a group-think narrative to drive an ulterior immoral and even sinister agenda.

Besides I'm an equal opportunity offender, therefore TDS makes no sense. Let me explain: I feel the same contempt for Trump as I feel for Hillary. No distinction. As a matter of fact on Dkos I'm a HDS png. So fail on your argument against me.

I don't mind if Brennan and co. are hauled away as well, same skunks of a different stripe. And I ain't fighting for no DNC nexus that took down Sanders the last time! So quit throwing that shet in my face too; I wasn't born yesterday. I see what they are.

But Trump is the President in power and frankly I consider that reality incredibly dangerous and you ain't gonna change me on that with personal vitriol. I have a lot of experience fighting Zionists in the trenches and I'm hard to put down.

I consider the unfortunate circumstance of Trump in the seat of power, a clear and present danger, and the fact that you don't says a lot about your sense of morality. Trump is engineering the worst and most irreversible perversion of democracy in history THEREFORE ANYTHING GOES BACK AT HIM and those who defend him.

Don't get all huffy with me. Trump himself is a master of deception, therefore why not use his own medecine to take down the FIVE-ALARM threat? It's fair and necessary. This has gone beyond the battle to stop Trump; this is war and all's fair in war. I say it's time to fight fire with fire. So, try again, I ain't budging or taking a vacation from fighting those defending this perversion, thanks!

Posted by: Circe | Nov 2 2019 16:24 utc | 160

@ | Nov 2 2019 15:10 utc | 153 (M16/ ,223) Yes, I too heard that.
However when doing research on legality of "XM-25 (25mm grenades < 500 gm) ie prohibited explosive bullets (criminal in combat) I was advised that the .223 is considered illegal at the present time, according to my chat with the fellas at the Hague. That was not last week . perhaps 5 years ago.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 2 2019 16:26 utc | 161

@pretzelattack #131
Sadly, your knowledge of the Church committee is wrong.
Read the Angelo Codevilla interview on Tablet magazine. He specifically notes that the Church committee was an internally sponsored affair - not an external one. In particular, that it was convened to enable the FBI to stop getting sued for eavesdropping activities. And he would know - he was working in Congress for the US Senator that chaired the Intelligence committee at that time.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2019 17:04 utc | 162

The whole impeachment show the Democrats launched is a major political mistake. (….) The process will create a lot of collateral damage. - b

Agree, and I can trust that the Dems. are monumentally stupid (having read the Podesta e-mails.. a painful exercise to be recommended.)

This reasoning is only relevant under the assumption that the Dems. want to win the Prez. election and are doing ‘anything’ to boot Trump out of the arena, solidify their base, and gather new adherents.

Perhaps Dems are on the ropes, and know it, failing badly, and are appealing to or making up any old rubbish to at least keep their base on board.

Or the desperate accusations and mucking about are the outcome of the prediction of being shown up, accused, indicted, pursued (see ADKC 130, yes.)

They might prefer to lose to Trump, or consider it inevitable, likely, whatever.

If we see all this as a fight between factions that control the US (deep state, corporations, heavy-hitting backers, lobbyists, MIC, etc.) which don’t correspond to a Dem / Rep divide (e.g. McCain and Killary were sorta bro-sis clones) or only partly so, the fight is between Mafia-like, influential, groups, that use all kinds of moves behind the scenes — what the public sees, and is sollicited to participate in, is Theatre, see b’s title.

One might also argue, on a loftier level, that these are the death throes of a political system (Federation with ‘representative’ ‘democracy’, successfully managed by powerful low-vis groups) that is edging towards implosion.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 2 2019 17:07 utc | 163

My 2 cents...

While all this certainly has the ability to turn into one big distractive sh*t show, it is possible that it flushes the toilet. I know that some don't believe/trust Gabbard, but her vote for impeachment was most likely based in forcing the Clinton (via Biden) wing into a trap (of their own setting), forcing them to call their own bluff. We'll see what kind of counter info (info forcing Biden's activities) gets into the open via the House process. IF it moves to the Senate THEN it'll be open season, and I'll be rooting for Trump and the GOP to outing Biden et al. Why? Because THEN we'll start the process of purging corruption. First it'll be the Dems: Pelosi, Schiff, Biden and the folks behind the curtain (Clintons and their big dollar supporters). Figure this to play out like HRC's stupid attack on Gabbard: TOTAL backfire! News flash: don't mess with Gabbard. One would hope that the process will show that the GOP best cleanse itself lest it get run through the same.

I have little doubt that these are thrashings of the neoliberal Dem party going down. I see Buttigeig as the last great hope for the Corporate/Clinton Dems. The more exposure people have to him the less they'll be impressed (he's a 100% white Obama): little different than Harris, though with less of a condescending smug smirk (and with a milder chuckle). Biden will continue to drop. Not sure if the Corporate/Clinton Dems are willing to risk a head-to-head between Warren and Sanders. Sanders' insurance policy is Gabbard. Her mission has been to ensure that the Corporate/Clinton Dems don't get the nomination. She's been picking off such candidates one by one and now she is set to pick off the ones in the "top tier" (after having proven capable by picking off the self-described "top tier" candidate Kamala Harris). People need to help get her into the next debates. Buttigeig will be her target. Biden can be left hanging in the wind as he'll eventually dry up (shoot himself out of the race).

What Trump mouthed when he ran will be EXECUTED by Sanders/Gabbard. The difference is that there is an actual movement behind Sanders, policies and a plan. Trump's support was never capable of driving the bus: there was never a plan on how to get "there" (in which case the usual beneficiaries were able to control things).

Posted by: Seer | Nov 2 2019 17:12 utc | 164

nope c1ue. the church committee hampered the cia, but they started working to rectify that immediately, and by the time they helped install reagan their comeback was complete.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 17:37 utc | 165

re: Church Committee 165
I'm afraid that as soon as the Trump era ends, with its severing of military alliances and lack of war, however it ends, this bull in the China shop (pun intended), including unfavorable visibility on spook behavior, we will see a comeback to the old ways.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 18:41 utc | 166

@ CarlD | Nov 2 2019 15:10 utc | 153

"The problem with the M16 is not the bullet. The first two years, barrels had little spin . . ."

The problem is the bullet. The .223 (or, more properly, the 5.56mm -- the bullet designed for the military) was designed to come apart at the cannelure upon entering the target body, with the various pieces taking separate, twisting paths through body tissue. This produced nightmare puzzles for surgeons, who had to trace each of the separate paths to find each individual piece of the bullet, and to find and repair each bit of damage that those pieces caused along their various ways. That increased amount of time that the patient had to spend under the knife also increased the chances that the patient would not survive the procedure.

That carnage is increased many-fold if the target is hit with burst-fire or a full-auto blast.

If the US is ever brought up on war-crimes charges in some new Nuremburg court, that will no doubt be one of the many counts that we will face.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 2 2019 18:48 utc | 167

Circe,

you advocate for inventing dirt if it means getting rid of Trump and I think that is bonkers. the volume of your comments is tedious and obnoxious. MoA is one of the few places left that hasn't collectively succumbed to TDS, so when you talk shit on the host of this space for being some mindless Trump supporter it pisses me off. I've followed b's analysis for over a decade and I have much more respect for his perspective than yours.

I'm not looking for some long back and forth, so consider this my last comment to you. adios.

Posted by: lizard | Nov 2 2019 19:01 utc | 168

AntiSpin CarlD

I believe one particular projectile for the .223 - NATO 5.56 was designed to tumble.
Pat Lang said something about it when I put in a comment on the Israeli snipers shooting protestors in the legs some time back.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2019 19:02 utc | 169

Re: Gabbard

Remember people, there is great russophobia sweeping the nation still.

Most of potus' actions as well as Gabbard's vote to impeach has to walk the tight rope between seeming and being. If the impeachment matters not, as it surely won't, except to torpedo retard dems, then what is the harm for Gabbard to vote yes?

The angle is is that she distances herself from the charge that she is a russian agent by looking tough on potus. People, it ain't that complicated.

And re: jackrabbit's insinuation that appointing Mueller helped the deep state narrative...it is the same logic...POTUS needs to look tough and so why not throw in a beauracrat that makes them look bad. Larry Johnson at SST has traced Mueller back to his associations with Trump campaign plants looking for dirt.

Trump knows they got nothing. But the Russophobia was and is strong in this country and that was their dumb angle. POTUS gives enough rope to hang themselves and meanwhile the downright nasty Russian-agent angle doesn't pack the punch because it looks like he is not adverse to allowing the investigation.

Trump is playing 3d chess.

It appears Gabbard is too.

Which leads to my thesis that without Trump there would be no Gabbard and so another thank you to the Don.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 2 2019 19:04 utc | 170

A commentator up thread asked "what kind of theatre," which I thought an interesting question. My initial thought was something along the lines of Cabaret, with some Chicago, Twilight Zone, and Night Gallery added for additional spices and seasoning. Also popping into my mind was the destruction of a broken William Jennings Bryan by Clarence Darrow in what's known as the Scopes Monkey Trial in 1925--popular superstition made road kill by facts. An epilog to it all occurs in 2009 when Obama stabbed millions of homeowners in the back, refused to do his job as Chief Magistrate, committed treason by perverting the law and gave the guilty bankers and Wall Street speculators billions instead of prosecuting them, and yet he was reelected in 2012. When it comes to treasonous presidents, IMO Obama tops the list; Trump pales in comparison. Gee, does that qualify as a self-righteous rant?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 19:09 utc | 171

1 "Remember people, there is great russophobia sweeping the nation still..." NemesisCalling@170

Is there, though? It seems to me that this is a disease to which only members of the liberal intelligentsia are generally prone. Most Americans, in my limited experience of them, are pre-occupied by more practical matters. As to the narrative that Russia was responsible for Hillary's defeat it is one likely to diminish suspicion of Russia, among ordinary voters and, the more numerous, nonvoters.

2/"does that qualify as a self-righteous rant?" karlof1@171
Don't trouble yourself: your posts, right or wrong, are of a consistently high quality, which is remarkable, given that they are so frequent.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2019 19:37 utc | 172

NemesisCalling @170:

Which leads to my thesis that without Trump there would be no Gabbard and so another thank you to the Don.

Well, your gratitude is misplaced.

Perhaps you can see this more clearly if I restate what you said:

Without GW Bush there would be no Obama, so another thank you to GW Bush.

Each 'con' sets up the next 'con.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 19:54 utc | 173

jam the political space, distract the society so to keep the curious citizenry from digging what the Judeo-Zionist crowd, aka.; the Collective Entity is performing since the hit of 9/11.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Nov 2 2019 20:03 utc | 174

Karlof1 @ 171:

Some bizarre combination of The Rocky Horror Picture Show and Sweeney Todd came to my mind when you mentioned "theatre".

Posted by: Jen | Nov 2 2019 20:23 utc | 175

It seems to me that even the charge against Trump is lacking in merit for impeachment - like impeaching him for Jay-walking. Biden exposed himself to such consideration. I am relieved to learn that Trump is asking such questions. I hope he will continue. It is somewhat entertaining to watch the reactions. The cast of witnesses are being exposed as shady and corrupt themselves - the agenda of the permanent government is being revealed.

Re. Ms Gabbards vote in support of investigation: I can see why it would be necessary to support investigation politically, why not. So far it has proven Trump to be nearly a saint.

Well I thank the dems. I know which way I will vote if Gabbard does not win the nomination.

Posted by: jared | Nov 2 2019 20:23 utc | 176

every time an Intel. ex-head expresses himself free-lance, he sounds so arrogant as if he was saying to the audience: you better laugh with me instead of lamenting.

Posted by: nietzsche1510 | Nov 2 2019 20:49 utc | 177

Jared #176

"proved Trump to be nearly a saint"

That is a turd masquerading as a saint then.
The reality is that Trump has brought no soldier home,
has done nothing to demilitarise the planet,
has done everything to support the malign military lunacy of the USA,
has continued the everwhere war,
has escalated the chance of war in multiple south American nations.

Trump and the Democrat machine are a barnacle on the arse of humanity.

If Gabbard or Sanders dont get the nomination the WHO will you vote for?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 2 2019 21:14 utc | 178

uncle tungsten @178

The talking point that Trump has not started any wars is bullshit.

Trump is essentially at war with:

Venezuela
USA and its allies have stolen billions of dollars in Venezuelan State assets and backed a coup.

Syria
USA has been occupying parts of Syria long past what is reasonable under UN Resolution 2257. And now USA has seized the oil fields.

Yemen
AFAIK USA provides or provided battlefield "targeting" and is Saudi Arabia's chief source of military supplies.

Iran
How is sanctions against third-parties that trade with Iran not an illegal embargo? And let's not forget US support for MEK and the US-Israeli Stuxnet virus.


Trump supporters should explain why these simmering conflicts and others will not turn into shooting wars after Trump gets a second term.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 21:49 utc | 179

Jen @175--

Thanks for your reply! I like that combo, but Sweeny Todd the opera or movie? Other, literary, works also came to mind, like the theatre dream scene from Hesse's Steppenwolf and the craziness of Kafka's The Trial. But overall it seems proper for Rod Serling--in black and white--to preside over the entire affair and deliver the moral of the story.

bevin @172--

Thanks for your observation. Also related to the theatre aspect are how these events remind one of two different Star Trek episodes from the 1960s--the world run by Mafia-like gangsters and the world run by Nazis, both created by violations of the Prime Directive, IIRC.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 21:51 utc | 180

@ uncle tungsten | 178

I agree in being disappointed in what Trump has accomplished at this point; however, I think the disruption he brings has revealed the extent and nature of the corruption in our government - a great improvement over the "go along to get along" type that was Obama.

Also I think that even in his somewhat random agenda it makes apparent the powerful forces of entrenched, self serving, paid for influences that he (or any president) struggles to overcome. His tweeting is ridiculous yet has a degree of frankness and honesting that is never seen from the establishment.

He calls out the press as servants of corrupt and entrenched interests.

As I think Peter AU has pointed out, Trump has started 0 wars, which compares favorably with his predessesors. He's more bark than bite. Even in some of the military actions he has authorized I think he has pulled his punches.

There are many issues woefully unaddressed, but not every battle is owned by the president - seems the US government is an AirMax on auto-pilot.

I don't like much of what he says. But he is speaking at the level of his audience.

I would choose Gabbard in a heartbeat, but would expect to be similarly disappointed in the results.

Personally, I tend to believe that the only way out of this mess is through the bottom - it will only get better once we fail utterly and completely. I would advise younger people to consider other options - it does not feel good to be feeding the Borg that is enslaving and bombing the world.

Posted by: jared | Nov 2 2019 21:59 utc | 181

karlof1

User names popping up out of nowhere to have a shot at at regular commentators are quite frequent. Just ignore them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2019 21:59 utc | 182

I would not consider Sanders - just another snake oil salesman offering "free" stuff.

Posted by: jared | Nov 2 2019 22:01 utc | 183

The symbolism of this fiasco is amusing. In the sphere of political acumen the Democrats seem addicted to behaving like Donkeys.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2019 22:03 utc | 184

@ Jackrabbit 179

Yes Trump attempted "non-violent" over throw of Maduro but again I believe this was an effort promoted by others that he accepted thinking maybe he would sneak in a quick, low cost "win". He has not done what I am sure he was asked to do and now with Russia taking the oil it seems possible there is a positive outcome. And things are looking up on many fronts in S Amarica.

Trump did not start the wars in Iraq and Syria and seems fairly successful in winding them down against tough odds.

Trump did not create the special relationship with SA.

Is that all you've got, sir?

Posted by: jared | Nov 2 2019 22:12 utc | 185

karlof1

Did you see my reply @101?

We OK?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 22:14 utc | 186

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2019 21:59 utc | 182

It's a symptom of growing audience.

Posted by: jared | Nov 2 2019 22:15 utc | 187

peak number of troops involved in ground combat under last three presidents
Bush-43 -- 130,000 (Iraq)
Obama -- 100,000 (Afghanistan)
Trump -- 0

So Trump is clearly the winner in that category, plus he has withdrawn most troops from Afghanistan, and has regularly spoken against troops in combat overseas. Trump has not been able to do all that he wants to do because the US president is fighting the establishment in shutting down the people who love war -- there's so much money in it. Presidents are not dictators able to do whatever they want. Some things, but not all things, so we have some side-shows going on which get attention but aren't terribly fatal.

Plus Trump has significantly weakened US ties with NATO which is the alliance that has proven to be so wasteful and dangerous (with a US general in charge).

The clearest sign that Trump's policies aggravate the establishment are that the Intel establishment is against him, as well as the Dem warmonger neolibs. Trump has neutered the neocons like Senator Graham, the McCain acolyte.

So plaudits to a president that has accomplished a lot despite his personal shortcomings. The worst part of life on earth is war, which is unhealthy for men, women and children, and there are no current wars of any magnitude. That's great.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 22:16 utc | 188

What kind of theater: Well, obviously, Brazil:

The film centres on Sam Lowry, a man trying to find a woman who appears in his dreams while he is working in a mind-numbing job and living in a small apartment, set in a dystopian world in which there is an over-reliance on poorly maintained (and rather whimsical) machines. Brazil's satire of bureaucratic, totalitarian government is reminiscent of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four[11][12][13] and has been called Kafkaesque[14] and absurdist.[13]

Sarah Street's British National Cinema (1997) describes the film as a "fantasy/satire on bureaucratic society"; and John Scalzi's Rough Guide to Sci-Fi Movies (2005) describes it as a "dystopian satire".

Brazil (at Wikipedia)

What is our computer paradise now but a world of "whimsical machines"?

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 22:18 utc | 189

>I'll be rooting for Trump and the GOP to outing Biden et al.
>Why? Because THEN we'll start the process of purging corruption
>Posted by: Seer | Nov 2 2019 17:12 utc | 164

Politicians are regularly caught with their hands in the cookie jar and go to jail. Trouble is, for every pol that falls there are ten more shoving and pushing to take their place at the feeding trough. I don't see how an honest system of any design can be built in a swamp, even if it's drained first. With so many people ready and willing to participate in corrupt schemes, I think we're gonna need better people to build new institutions with foundations of integrity and competence instead of greed and groupthink.

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Nov 2 2019 22:28 utc | 190

@ Bemildred

More like Harrison Bergeron - Kurt V:
https://youtu.be/nL9zg7-rzPc

Or more simply 2+2=5:
https://youtu.be/EHAuGA7gqFU

Posted by: jared | Nov 2 2019 22:38 utc | 191

jared @185: Is that all you've got, sir?

Are you really unaware that USA and it's puppet have essentially taken control of Citco, plus seized Venezuelan gold and real estate? Why has your hero not reversed these actions if he was misled? And why does he continue the sanctions against Venezuela?

The more realistic view is that Trump wasn't misled, he was fully on-board.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 22:53 utc | 192

On Trump and interfering in a sovereign nation's legitimate activities which is a violation of the peace, international law and the US Constitution. Every sanction levied is a violation. The escalation of the illegal embargo aimed at Cuba is a violation. The massive "invasion" into Venezuela's affairs is a major, ongoing crime. The continuance of the illegal operations within Syria, aggressive missile attacks and illegal sanctions. The illegal withdrawal from the JCPOA and imposition of illegal sanctions on Iran. Continuance of Death Squad operations within Afghanistan and smuggling of opium and refined heroin. The personal aggression waged against Julian Assange. The kidnapping in Canada of a Chinese national. Falsified charges and imprisonment of Russian nationals. Illegal theft of Russian diplomatic property. Supplying Daesh and al-Ciada terrorists with arms and munitions. And I'm sure I could come up with more. Oh, forgot to mention sponsorship of Hong Kong terrorists. Then there are numerous transgressions of US law, first and foremost being the continued obstruction of justice related to the crimes committed by Obama, Hillary Clinton and the DNC, along with a host of lesser fry.

As noted above and many places elsewhere, Obama was a treasonous president and prolific lawbreaker. Being marginally better than Obama in no way makes Trump a good man or president; rather, it makes him just a lesser criminal and certainly no patriot. Trump made his choices and ought to live by their consequences. IMO, the overall failure lies in the refusal to impeach and convict Bush/Cheney then Obama/Biden and a host of Congresscritters and Executive staffers, thus meaning the wholesale illegitimacy of the entire federal government (since when is another question). The government pretends to obey the fundamental law of the land while constantly breaking it, thus rendering it illegitimate, an ongoing practice since 1945.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 22:59 utc | 193

>there are no current wars of any magnitude. That's great.
>Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 2 2019 22:16 utc | 18

If current global conditions can be described as "peace", I fear to think what "war" would look like.

How many war refugees around the world are currently being herded like cattle and treated like slaves? Millions? Most of them are a direct result of Uncle Sam's endless wars on everyone who doesn't obey. Dropping napalm on people is not the only way to kill them. Cutting off access to the necessities of life is just as effective. Madeleine Albright's barbaric comments about killing Iraqi children come to mind:

On May 12, 1996, Albright defended UN sanctions against Iraq on a 60 Minutes segment in which Lesley Stahl asked her, "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" and Albright replied, "We think the price is worth it." (from Wikipedia)

Dead is dead whether Uncle Sam uses a bullet or blockades food and medicine.

When Uncle Sam starts shutting down the 600 overseas military bases and stops its military, financial, political, and economic attacks on everyone who won't obey, then we can say that things are improving. Until then, claims of "peace" are just ...

Posted by: Trailer Trash | Nov 2 2019 23:11 utc | 194

@173 jr

Trump is a radically different actor than what the duopoly produces.

This is why I think your belief that the tyrannical duopoly is some kind of genius mastermind steering us all down THEIR path is untrue and gives them waaaaaayyyyyy too much credit.

It all has to do with the teleological end of globalism and America's place in the world as the vanguard international experiment par excellence.

Trump is a harbinger and the duopoly owned by the globalists is accelerating into oblivion. See Don Bacon's post and read the tea leaves of the current geopolitical chessboard.

What does the future hold?

Who knows...but DJT and Putin seemed to be leading us there.

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On a side note: everyone should please check out Ann Coulter's recent interview on Frontline PBS. It is 50 mins and Coulter's quirks are amplified but she is never one to not speak her mind. There is a ton of insight and truth to it.

It leaves one with the impression that Trump was not a true believer wrt anti-globalization but has forced himself into a role where his words have brought power and confidence and is now guiding his mission. He said simple things but also intensely powerful and hence brutally truthful or at least leading one to extrapolate his off the cuff stuff towards a deep message on globalism and its ill effects in the U.S.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Nov 2 2019 23:11 utc | 195

jared @191: Well I'm always up for some Vonnegut. I put him right up there with Orwell and Huxley. He is one of the writers who first introduced me to the low class of our upper classes here. That is an old theme in Vonnegut, "God Bless You Mr Rosewater" is a satire on a similar theme. I think he picked up a bad attitude about the rich and powerful from his time there in Dresden. He was more accurate than most, Gore Vidal and Lewis Lapham are two others, both scions of the upper classes themselves, but they didn't give it quite the bite that Vonnegut did.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 23:17 utc | 196

"Trump can be beaten by good policies. " Like fighting corruption. HeHe.
Sorry couldn't resist.

Posted by: evilempire | Nov 2 2019 23:25 utc | 197

188, 194 & 195--

The upshot seems to be as b initially stated impeaching Trump solves nothing--corrupt is replaced by corrupt at the head of a totally corrupt and rotten to the bone institution unwilling to obey its own law. From a global vantage point, the disappearance of the Outlaw US Empire would be a massive boon to the entire planet as the only reason for the building of most weapon systems is to defend against that Empire's predations. Total focus could then go to climate mitigation and resilient development as humanity is finally purged of the biggest threat to its existence. Nice theatre, huh?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 23:37 utc | 198

Nemesiscalling @195: Trump is a radically different actor ...

They said the same about Obama.

You're trying to say "this time it's different". But under the kayfabe, it's the same.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 23:41 utc | 199

Must read:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/deep-state-redefined-career-bureaucrats-doing-patriotic-duty/5693702

As expected, it is the usual suspects, this time the CFR:

"This redefinition has been in the works for a few years, and it shouldn’t be a surprise that this tricky treat was being prepared for our consumption a few years ago by The Council on Foreign Relations. In its September/October 2017 edition of its journal Foreign Affairs, Jon D. Michaels, in “Trump and the Deep State: The Government Strikes Back,” writes:

Furious at what they consider treachery by internal saboteurs, the president and his surrogates have responded by borrowing a bit of political science jargon, claiming to be victims of the “deep state,” a conspiracy of powerful, unelected bureaucrats secretly pursuing their own agenda. The concept of a deep state is valuable in its original context, the study of developing countries such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Turkey, where shadowy elites in the military and government ministries have been known to countermand or simply defy democratic directives. Yet it has little relevance to the United States, where governmental power structures are almost entirely transparent, egalitarian, and rule-bound.

The White House is correct to perceive widespread resistance inside the government to many of its endeavors. But the same way the administration’s media problems come not from “fake news” but simply from news, so its bureaucratic problems come not from an insidious, undemocratic “deep state” but simply from the state—the large, complex hive of people and procedures that constitute the U.S. federal government.

Notice how in these comical passages about U.S. government transparency and egalitarianism, Michaels slyly and falsely attributes to Trump the very definition – “unelected bureaucrats” – that in the next paragraph he claims to be the real deep state, which is just the state power structures. Pseudo-innocence conquers all here as there is no mention of the Democratic party, Russiagate, etc., and all the machinations led by the intelligence services and Democratic forces to oust Trump from the day he was elected. State power structures just move so quickly, as anyone knows who has studied the speed with which bureaucracies operate. Ask Max Weber.

Posted by: evilempire | Nov 3 2019 0:21 utc | 200

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