Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 19, 2019

The Democratic Party Should Suspend Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton has gone mad:

Hillary Clinton appeared to suggest that Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) is the “favorite of the Russians” to win the 2020 presidential election and is being groomed by Moscow to run as a third-party candidate against the eventual Democratic nominee.
The Russians already have their “eye on somebody who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate,” she said, in an apparent reference to Gabbard.

“She’s the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her, so far,” Clinton told David Plouffe, the podcast’s host and the campaign manager for former President Obama’s 2008 campaign.

“And that’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because she’s also a Russian asset,” Clinton added, referring to the 2016 Green Party presidential candidate.

The responses were appropriate:

Tulsi Gabbard @TulsiGabbard - 22:20 UTC · Oct 18, 2019
Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...
... concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and ...
... powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose.

It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.


Dr. Jill Stein @DrJillStein - 20:30 UTC · Oct 18, 2019
In light of the latest slanderous allegations from @HillaryClinton, I challenge her to a debate. It's past time to give the American people the real debate they deserved in 2016, but were denied by the phony DNC/RNC-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates.

Dr. Jill Stein @DrJillStein - 20:51 UTC · Oct 18, 2019
It's a shame HRC is peddling conspiracy theories to justify her failure instead of reflecting on real reasons Dems lost in 2016. You can slander progressives as “Russian assets”, but you can't hide the fact that the DNC sabotaged Sanders & elevated Trump to set the stage for HRC.

Dr. Jill Stein @DrJillStein - 21:12 UTC · Oct 18, 2019
HRC's rant is exhibit A for how the establishment is using the new Cold War to crack down on dissent & feed the war machine. Instead of addressing the crises working people face, they're painting progressives as the enemy. It's as if they're trying to lose to Trump again.

Dr. Jill Stein @DrJillStein - 21:43 UTC · Oct 18, 2019
If HRC really believes all independent campaigns are Russian plots, why isn't she calling for #RankedChoiceVoting to make it impossible for evil foreigners to "split the vote"? Until she does, all this Russia hysteria just looks like cynical McCarthyist left-punching.

The Streisand effect of Clinton's shoddy remark will help Tulsi Gabbard with regards to name recognition. It will increase her poll results. With Joe Biden faltering and Elizabeth Warren increasingly exposed as a phony Clinton copy, Bernie Sanders could become the Democrats leading candidate. Then the “favorite of the Russians” smear will be applied to him.

Clinton should be suspended from the Democratic Party for damaging its chances to regain the White House. But the Democratic establishment would rather sabotage the election than let one of the more progressive candidates take the lead.

Voters do not like such internal squabble and shenanigans. The phony Ukrainegate 'impeachment inquiry' is already a gift for Trump. Messing with the candidate field on top of that will inevitably end with another Trump presidency.

Posted by b on October 19, 2019 at 13:44 UTC | Permalink

« previous page

Hillary Clinton is a cancerous tumor within the DNC. As long as it has not be extracted and destroyed, the DNC will continue to lose

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 19 2019 22:15 utc | 101

Our would-be Owners would rather cut off their own nuts than spur any debate about the Empire, or have public discussion turn to the wastefulness of all the wars and the warmongers. Having this happen during a presidential election would be unthinkable. Hillary has gone off the rails. She has lost her mind, and is probably unmindful of how inadvisible it is, to call attention to herself, to Obama and Biden, and to the coup d'etat abomination that was visited upon Ukraine; which can only shine more of a spotlight on the profit-taking of Hunter Biden to the tune of fifty-grand $$,$$$ a month. In the meantime, Julian Assange has vaninished into Belmarsh prison, and is soon to be hauled up for an extradition proceeding, and a grim, fast-forwarded trial in the US.

One of the latest New Yorker magazines has an Impeach Trump article that describes the coup against the Ukraine as "a popular uprising" in about as glib a tone as you can imagine. The same article dismisses the gravity of the vulture-like opportunism of Hunter Biden and his dad.

Posted by: Copeland | Oct 19 2019 22:16 utc | 102

If Trump can accuse a member of Congress of being a traitor yet not be dismissed as a partisan loon, so can Clinton. I say neither, but the whiners suck it up from Trump. For a sample from people who think the same wrong way, but prefer to genuflect to different idol, see

Bob in Portland steals the plot of Robert Harris' novel The Ghost. This is at least entertaining. But, while maybe life does imitate art, it doesn't do so retroactively.

AntiSpin spins the truth by pretending the US Secretary of State actually runs US foreign policy. The war on Libya was an international actionm first of all, meaning Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy were agreeing, to name just three. In the US, the president preempts the State Department with his personal staff because foreign affairs is the go-to for independent action from Congress. The national security adviser, the CIA and other intelligence agencies, the Pentagon and defense, the theater commanders, the ambassador to the UN and of course the chief of staff have about as much or more to say about foreign policy as the mere secretary of state. It was not so long ago when it was hoped a general, Powell, might bring back some prestige to the post! Only trivia like Honduras is left to the secretary of state...but they'd better not make new policy, like preferring a democratically elected president despite being ever so mildly leftish. Hillary Clinton has never been in a position to decide anything major. Letting Obama, Sarkozy and Cameron off the hook, pretending Susan Rice and Susan Power didn't have more to do is just incompetent thinking. Seriously, did anyone really think Obama put his rival for the nomination in an office to pay attention to her? Are you people crazy?

Mulcahy lies about being a Trump fan. That is the only reason Mulcahy insists no one can reject the ludicrous electoral college, an anti-democratic scheme for nonpartisan elections that failed immediately and produced a constitutional crisis within a dozen years. The EC is not the agreed upon rules, it is an anti-democratic gimmick aimed to prevent the majority from exercising power, locked into a constitution protected against change as much as possible. Pretending Trump the genius played the real game and won is just about kissing Trump ass. Mulcahy is a sorry piece of shit who wants the loser to be president no matter what. Which, by the way, includes Bush, not just Trump. Upholding the EC then was just as contemptible as now. And also, the hypocrisy of scumbags like this revering the EC while sneering at the emoluments clause is outrageous.

Ditto Antoinetta III, except the real anti-democratic distortion in the real world politics is the overrepresentation in the Senate. There is actually no serious evidence to suggest that the EC encourages anything but campaigning in the big electoral vote states, as opposed to assholes opposed to democracy saying it does. A soulless babbler like this no doubt wants people to shut up and do as their told without complaining, but that's just whining about how Trump was not, not, not the the people's choice. Bleat about how people just want accept that Trump is the people's choice when he didn't win the people's votes to someone else.

Walter is at best delusional, with his simple-minded garbage about faked votes. When elections are faked by the people in power---who are mostly Republicans, which means Walter is claiming the Republican Party was pro-Clinton!---paper ballots are going to be part of the stealing too. Equally ignorant is the implication no one can complain about the EC, which considering it was the subject of the 12th Amendment is brazen even for liars like Walter. It's trash like Walter masquerading as patriotic defenders who give soldiers and police a bad name.

Ditto Ort, except that the sports analogy is incredibly stupid. First of all, when the referees are biased people will complain about a stolen game, and they would be right to so so. Except for stooges like Ort who want to suck up to authority. The thing is, the EC is biased refereeing, written right down. The only possible defense is that you want a loser of the popular vote to be the President anyhow. There is no decent or honorable defense for this. States? The people who want the Civil War to be reversed just because they say so are the most deranged, as well as the nastiest of all.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 19 2019 22:27 utc | 103

Tulsi should remind people that Joe McCarthy at least had the guts (many times) to sit across from the people he slandered. She should insist Hillary do the same.

Posted by: Paulb | Oct 19 2019 23:04 utc | 104

The Syrian cement factory the fleeing US bombed is owned by Lafarge and has been operating in Syria for years supplying ISIS with cement to build their tunnels and paying off the various gangs. Tuns out the company has a long association with Clinton and the French secret service.

Documents obtained by several journalistic investigations reveal that Lafarge has paid taxes to the terror group to operate its cement plant in Syria, and even bought Isis oil for years…

Lafarge also has close ties to Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Apart from being a regular donor to the Clinton Foundation, Clinton herself was a director of Lafarge in the early 1990s, and did legal work for the firm in the 1980s. During her connection to Lafarge, the firm was implicated in facilitating a CIA-backed covert arms export network to Saddam Hussein.

Among its earliest benefactors was former First Lady and current presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton. From 1990 to 1992, Clinton served on Lafarge’s Board of Directors. Under her tenure, Lafarge’s Ohio subsidiary was caught burning hazardous waste to fuel cement plants. Clinton defended the decision at the time.

Then just before her husband, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992, Lafarge was fined $1.8 million by the Environmental Protection Agency for these pollution violations. Hillary Clinton had left the board of Lafarge in spring, just after her husband won the Democrat nomination. A year later, under Bill’s presidency, the Clinton administration reduced Lafarge’s EPA fine to less than $600,000.

Posted by: DeQuincey | Oct 19 2019 23:14 utc | 105


Democracy is where the citizens, as whole, vote on the issues of legislation.

A Republic is where the citizens elect agents/representatives that vote on the issues of legislation.

These uSA are called a Republic Of Republics because of the member States being Republics and also allowing for a system of electing and selecting representatives to the Federal agency. The Federal Chief Executive (POTUS) is selected by the member States' agents/electors. Each member State votes for the POTUS according to their own method.

An insane system let's people not necessarily citizens vote.

PS: My previous post contained a nonsense sentence, thanks to autocorrect and my lack of attention. My apologies to MOA.

Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Oct 19 2019 23:26 utc | 106

I've published my thoughts in a new blog post: Deep-State has chosen: Biden-Tulsi 2020

I think it's more effective to fully describe my thoughts on and reduce the length of comments at MoA. I can reach a larger audience and the conversation here is not bogged down with lengthy comments.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 19 2019 23:29 utc | 107

Great title, begs the mind to fill the next line with ".. from a lamppost"

Clinton associate James McDougal (who died in prison post-Whitewater aged 57) says it best:
"I think the Clintons are really sort of like tornadoes moving through people's lives"

Hillary's spin doctors have latched onto this theme and she used it this past month calling Trump a "Human Tornado", projection at its finest.

Posted by: ziogolem | Oct 19 2019 23:52 utc | 108

"Hillary is foaming at the mouth with desire to enter the 2020 race.

Is Tulsi working for Hillary?"

No, I think this was brilliant of Tulsi.
You wanna fight? So declare yourself and we'll see who is better. come out of the shadow, creep, and let's have a fair fight.

Hillary is sniping and shooting venom from the sidelines like a real viper. Tulsi has called her out. Also, members of even the DNC not to mention rank and file Dems must be cringing at HRC's poisonous little performance. They must be able to see what we all can see: The woman is out of her mind with hatred and venom.

Posted by: Really?? | Oct 20 2019 0:07 utc | 109

@ steven t johnson @ 10

Do not assume false a-priori claims. The 2016 election count did not match reality - in electronic machine H "won" lots more than Clown-man, and in less hackable paper votes she lost... everyone is reminded that Clinton beat Trump in the actual election, not the archaic stupid-from-the-start Electoral College. @ <= steven t Johnson @ 10

The elections are rigged. Nothing new.

As to the electoral college - this is US Constitutional law since the ratification of USC. Dismissing the constitutional law is fine for foreigners...but office holders and cops and soldiers (and I) have swore to defend it - since we're Americans...I am sorry you don't like the Walter @ 15

nemo responds to Johnson @10
The electoral college is neither archaic nor unfair. We were and are a union of States. The electoral college prevented the Executive office from being dominated by voters from heavily populated urban centers at the expense of the rural population. It is more relevant today than ever as the country is even more divided in disposition and ideology. If it were abolished, most of America would be effectively disenfranchised in Presidential elections as California, New York and a handful of other highly urbanized and ultra-liberal population centers would always carry the day. There would be no need to vote anymore. Maybe that is the idea......

by: nemo @ 19 <= you are kidding of course? The electoral college allows election manipulation as a function of the corrupt at the top levels of the states where the powerful corporations have even more control than at the federal level.
responding to @Johnson #10: by: Antoinetta III @ 49 says

Like it or not, the Electoral College is directly provided for in the Constitution. If you want to get rid of it, you will have to amend the Constitution. To do this, you need to get the legislatures of three-quarters of the states (38) to approve this. There's no way this will happen, as there are altogether too many of the smaller population states that would lose influence were this to pass so they will never vote for this. The Electoral College is here to stay, so just get over it and spare us all the bleat. <=by: Antoinetta III @ 49

Responding to Antoinetta, III @ 49, "To get involved in actual Party policy-making, I think you would have to start by..."

Thank you for illustrating my point, which is, the entire process is deliberately opaque and the details are not easy to find. <=by: Trailer Trash @ 52

@86 Democracy is where the citizens, as whole, vote on the issues of legislation.@86
<=Lets have a show of hands how many barflies have voted on legislation at all, ever, in their lifetimes?

the [two USA political] parties [gateway candidates to elected office] are simply conveyor belts to move[filter in Epstein style] aspiring elites up through the ranks of power, weeding out the deplorables in the process. It's all generously lubricated with corporate cash, naturally. Trailer Trash @ 88 <= I think "weeding out the honorable and well meaning" would be more accurate..

The Democratic establishment would rather destroy political democracy than to let one of the more progressive candidates take the lead to open the door to economic democracy. Tom @ 91

Comment to Trailer Trash @ 95.. regarding the ""We"" in the USA constitution signed sept 17,1787, ratified in 1788 and used in 1789 to not to regime change the people who were running the government, but instead to over throw the government itself.
The AOC government fell victim to the Elite because it was a democracy the elite could not control it. The elite needed a a government they could control. The elite invented a method to change the government (not the leaders of a government) but instead a method to change the government itself. (See Article VII of the COUS). This method is known as ratification and it is in Article VII of the US constitution it claims to have the power to over throw any setting government.
John Hanson (1781) was the first President of the United States in Congress Assembled, the government in America was the Articles of Confederation (AOC), it was the government until 1789, and it the AOC (not the USA) that defeated the British and rendered to Americans independence from the British Corporations (East and West Indies for example) and the British soldiers that kept the British corporations and British Judicial system in America in power.

So the ""We the People"" in the USA constitution does not include those who are not elected to the USA.. As of now there are only 527 WE the People while there are 350,000,000 governed Americans. As Hillary so cleverly put it: the deplorables..

@108 JaimelnTexas @ 108 These uSA are called a Republic Of Republics because of the member States being Republics and also allowing for a system of electing and selecting representatives to the Federal agency. The Federal Chief Executive (POTUS) is selected by the member States' agents/electors. Each member State votes for the POTUS according to their own method. JaimelnTexas @ 108.. thanks.. this is why the electoral college stinks.. see my answer at Nemo @19..

Posted by: snake | Oct 20 2019 0:09 utc | 110

"Politics is the entertainment division of the MIC"
Frank Zappa

Posted by: 1984 | Oct 20 2019 0:10 utc | 111

Ziogolem @ 110:

Wouldn't you prefer a crane, as the Iranians are supposed to do (or have done) with their own criminals? A lamppost, even if made from concrete, would collapse from the weight of the Klintonator's crimes.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 20 2019 0:10 utc | 112

Really?? #111

The woman is out of her mind with hatred and venom.

Right on Really, and has been for the past 20 years at least.

No Secretary of State operates confidential US government email and other data comms on an unprotected server that is operated outside of the US government secure system. Unless they are out of their mind !! and has terrified the US government security apparatus to the extent that not one of them (even Obummer) would call her out for fear of their future.

She is that vindictive,

that malign,

that ignorant.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 20 2019 0:16 utc | 113

17 Don

I agree!
How's this for a slogan for Tulsi?

"Let's have a fair fight, not a food fight!"

In fact, it might be very interesting and highly entertaining if Tulsi actuallyl started openlyl taunting Hillary:

"Come out and fight! I dare you!"

Posted by: really?? | Oct 20 2019 0:16 utc | 114

Gender. Klintonatrix.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 20 2019 0:17 utc | 115

Well, now that I think about it, maybe the masculine Klintonator fits better.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 20 2019 0:20 utc | 116

19 Nemo

The form of the United States if a confederation of states.

The way I see it, the Electoral College and also the existence of the Senate (just 2 senators for each state, regardless of size) is a way of protecting the minority/weaker members.

It is kind of like handicapping vessels in a race where many different types of vessels are competing. More powerful/bigger vessels carrying more sail, because they are inherently faster, are handicapped so that they must give certain numbers of points to other vessels. Otherwise they would be guaranteed to win and others never to win, no matter how well the latter sail the course in their smaller boats.

Posted by: Really?? | Oct 20 2019 0:28 utc | 117

@ uncle tungsten | Oct 20 2019 0:16 utc | 115

Yes, I agree. But is this not akin to leaving the secret papers on the desk while you leave a spy alone in the room ?

This is to say that the odd and presumably illegal exposing of traffic maight have been deliberately exposed...the old backhand deal...

the old army game, a rigged or gaff game.

And the lady is a slut...all for sale...

My bet is she's the spy, and Comrade P knows it...he's got cancelled checks...

Posted by: Walter | Oct 20 2019 1:03 utc | 118


Just the fact that there are now 2 serious Anti-War Contenders in the 2020 Presidential race ( 1 Democrat & 1 Republican) fills me ,as a non US but world citizen ,with some hope & shows me ,that the tendency in the US goes slowly but surely against the Neocon Warmongers.

Guess people in the US grow more & more tired of the rotten system & endless wars & want the US to shine again as a beacon of "Freedom" .....

but anyway ,It's up to it's people ...

"Jedes Volk hat die Regierung, die es verdient" !

"Every Country has the Government ,it deserves" !

Joseph Marie de Maistre:

Posted by: MakeupUmind | Oct 20 2019 1:19 utc | 119

Nothing Gabbard says or does can leaven my innate distrust of her motives. If anyone were to bail her up away from mics & cameras and say "C'mon Tulsi, spill it, if you are such a transformative, radical democrat WIH did you give such early, 100% support for Nancy Pelosi as house speaker?" she would most likely respond with "This is a prez election year and I needed to have her onside to stop her throwing shade on me in the lead up to the nomination race."
Fair enough, many may say/think - "a pol needs to play it smart."

But that cannot cut it among those who have witnessed what happened when Clinton & Obama were given a free pass for 'playing it smart' in the intense amerikan electoral process. Blind Freddy knows what comes next once a dem is permitted to publicly sacrifice their virginity as a truth teller.

It just doesn't end, one allegedly smart lie turns very quickly into nothing but bulldust as a dem pol bashes their head against the wall of entrenched interests where wins are few and the heat is on. Lying moves from being a mere habit to a permanent survival method as the pol learns that caving in to the arseholes is a helluva lot easier because the media support your lies, whereas standing up to the arseholes entails living in a continuous sh1tstorm of half truths and outright lies about your parentage, sexuality, sources of income and citizenship.

Gabbard's prevarications about her support for Pelosi demonstrates to us much more clearly than any mealy-mouthed platitudes about world peace, that here is a candidate who is completely at ease with sacrificing her claimed principles for career advancement; she is then happy to spread a thick coating of cow excrement across the issue just to avoid any embarrassing questions.
Apart from the appalling display of cowardice in the face of scrutiny, it also tells us that this is a person who holds a deep contempt for those humans she claims to want to represent "from the bottom of my heart".

Oh Clinton, well who gives a toss what garbage she spouts, right now her one time biggest backer Bernie Madoff has more cred with Jo/Joe Human than Hillary can muster.

Posted by: A User | Oct 20 2019 1:32 utc | 120

How many residents of the Outlaw US Empire read/saw any notice of this event in their local newspaper today? There was not one iota in the Eugene Register Guard which services Oregon's second largest city/metro region. I can't speak for TV news as I don't watch. Nor was there any mention of the new information about the massive security breech HRC's involved in and ought to be arrested for that I posted yesterday.

IMO, the best duo to run the Executive are Gabbard as POTUS and Sanders as Veep, but they need an allied Congress ready to enact their social and fiscal policies. And that's just for starters.

Arresting Clinton would certainly cause a political uproar, but would be a greatly needed uproar and likely lead to many more corrupt politicos and their business allies being indicted--the first attack on The Swamp. Just busting the Clinton Foundation and DNC Oligarchy ought to signal the change in the ways things are done within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 20 2019 1:43 utc | 121

- Hillary/KILL-ary Clinton wanted Assad of Syria to go. Gabbard visited Assad. Just look at the situation right now in Syria and in the US. Assad is still in power in Syria and (K/H)illary Clinton thought she would be president of the US.

Posted by: Willy2 | Oct 20 2019 2:28 utc | 122

Caitlin does it again !

This MSNBC Clip Is Everything Ugly About Russia Smears

Watch the face-palm worthy video Caitlin links to:

Posted by: librul | Oct 20 2019 2:41 utc | 123

"... anti-vaxxers..." Posted by: vk | Oct 19 2019 19:43 utc | 76

When I have seen this word for the first time, I wondered who are those people: those who prefer hairy legs, or laser hair removal, or yet other methods? Of these groups, "hairy ones" seem somewhat radical and ideologically motivated -- return to nature, reducing pollution etc. Or are those hater of anyone who "waxes poetic"? The actual contemporary meaning came to me as a surprise.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 20 2019 2:49 utc | 124

I really wonder if this was part of the plan to ensure DT's reelection. As soon as I read the post, b I immediately thought of JR's convincing assertion that Clinton took a dive in '16 to ensure DT's election, in keeping with ever increasing US militarized imperialism (the empire's panicking at Russia's and China's reasoned practicality).

librul @125 thanks for posting those links, although I nearly punched my monitor during the msnbc clip.

Great stuff, b; many thanks.

Posted by: robjira | Oct 20 2019 3:03 utc | 125

Here we go, now I can post again. Must have been some kinda' clinch. Anyway, the Jrabbit has broached an interesting subject by postulating on a Biden/ Gabbard ticket. They're pushing Biden big time, but Gabbard may be a bridge too far.

Time will tell.

Posted by: ben | Oct 20 2019 3:28 utc | 126

P. S.- Either Jrabbit is on to something, or HRC needs to be committed..

Posted by: ben | Oct 20 2019 3:30 utc | 127

This time, Hillary Clinton, you have gone too far! Have you no sense of Decency!

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Oct 20 2019 3:48 utc | 128

@19 “The electoral college is neither archaic nor unfair. We were and are a union of States.”

@15 “As to the electoral college - this is US Constitutional law since the ratification of USC.”

Precisely. Well said. Just like 2 senators from each state irrespective of their population size, originally determined by state legislatures until the 17th amendment changed it direct vote by voters in each state. The electoral college was one of the many compromises among the states to accede to the Union and ratify the constitution.

It can only be changed by an amendment to the constitution and the smaller states will not give up their powers and rights to ratify such an amendment. A candidate for president must campaign across the country to win the electoral college.

Posted by: ab initio | Oct 20 2019 4:14 utc | 129

psychohistorian | Oct 19 2019 20:49 utc | 89

RE: league Of Women Voters

Good call! Never heard of them [it] until IIRC 1960. But I was travelling out of the country that year [working n counting my pfennigs, Lira etc] so knew really nothing except they sponsored s/g called Pres debates that year. Meant nothing to me. Maybe was 1st year I would vote. My mail-in ballot never arrived so I was gratefully spared the ignominy of voting for Nixon.

In 1970s heard LOWV were straightlaced impartial. In mid-1970s realized they really were impartial as, for 1st time, I read their California literature which was uniquely without bias. Just the straight scoop.I was awed.

Then in 1988 I watched as politicians ganged-up on LOWV by demanding they could no longer choose debate questions/procedures unless each Q and procedure was approved by D + R parties in advance!

The LOWV refused and no longer were allowed to sponsor the pres debates broadcast on national networks. I was dazed by the power and hubris of our adult "political leaders"! And how I had totally misunderstood the little I did "know" about how our gov operated.

The LOWV had become effective! The movers/shakers had known instinctively LOWV now had to be neutered. It was and I do recall.

As for "Overton window" [the range of ideas tolerated in public discourse], I did not know of that and just now looked it up in Wikipedia. Seems a sort of a science of communication obfuscation, BWDIK.

The "In God We Trust" is sadly reminiscent of "Gott Mit Uns" on der beltbuckle; both catchy traps [!] that were lately reworked to "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out", bringing responsibility to the more acceptible "What, me worry?" level to absolve ones sins/crimes [including debts, hat-tip to M.Hudson]. Seems to have worked well for the corporate sector, too re GoldmanSachs, AIG, et al [whose actions are ultimately are just the acts of persons given exceptional status to bypass personal responsibility and the destiny we named "death"]. A wizened friend once explained, "God has an infinite sense of humor" , of which I'm reminded daily..

Re: E Pluribus Unum...may have been the inspiration for the cluster-bomb.

Thanks your being here. You n Karlof1 and several others always get my attention.

Bestest from an outlier.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 20 2019 4:14 utc | 130

@ CP 130
re: Have you no sense of Decency!
Cheez, that goes back aways.

Joseph Welch to Joe McCarthy, 1954
"Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 20 2019 4:41 utc | 131


It's not crazy to think that Tulsi might have been selected by the Democratic Party 'Powers That Be' to be Biden's VP. She 'balances' the ticket by appealing to voters in every way that Biden's white male warmongering offends them. This, despite the fact that as an anti-war candidate, Tulsi sucks. She's neither anti-war nor anti-Empire. She's simply against wars that USA fails to win. That's why she's still a member of the military.


EXCEPT the FACT that Tulsi has been firmly implanted in Bernie's sphere for many years now. There is ZERO evidence that Tulsi is working counter to Sanders: I'd claim the exact opposite (which actually has evidence to back it); she spoke with Bernie before she announced her candidacy- seeking his support; this was before he decided to run again; Tulsi fought the DNC back in 2016 and she's doing it still. The strategy, which I believe to be accurate (one day we'll find out), is that Tulsi's job is to rear-guard Sanders; Tulsi is coming up from behind to pick off all those underneath Sanders (to this point Biden and Warren are above or equal- they are not BELOW). And, really, Biden is going to take himself out of the game (he is, after all, just more of the same swamp material that HRC is- and he's a two-time loser, going for another loss). The DNC's "play" is to split the vote and get Buttigieg in: he's of the same corporate-cash-cow-milker mindset that currently runs the DNC. While everyone is looking the other way... BUT, Tulsi and Bernie know this (that the DNC will look to split and usher in one of their minions). Again, the trajectory was established back in 2015/2016 (with her condemning the DNC and HRC), Tulsi's position is and has been solid all along.

To the tired old "she's on the CFR" (which, I believe is no longer the case), is, well, tired. Sometimes you have to work from the inside. I could understand attacking her over being naive (which she was when she volunteered to be on the DNC), but to attack her over her sincerity is something that doesn't align with facts/substance.

Posted by: Seer | Oct 20 2019 5:36 utc | 132

@ Seer with the perspective on Tulsi and Jackrabbit's Biden/Gabbard ticket scenario

Thanks for that and your scenario about Buttigieg ultimately being the Dems 2020 choice.....sad but quite possible.

What you didn't posit but I will (not in favor of but speculating) is a potential Buttigieg/Gabbard ticket that makes more sense to me than what Jackrabbit is thinking.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 20 2019 5:53 utc | 133

Prediction: Gabbard will continue to be shunned by the Democrat party machine, and be forced to break with the Democrats to continue her run for power. But not as an independent presidential candidate who seeks to split the Democrat vote(as claimed by H. Clinton), but as the vice-presidential candidate of Trump on the Republican ticket.

And Pence? Pence is spent. He won't be on Trump's ticket.

Trump needs a successor and Gabbard is it. She will make her run for president in 2014, for another, potentially, eight years of Trump foreign and domestic policy.

Posted by: Steve In Melb. | Oct 20 2019 6:10 utc | 134

^ oops, 2024, not 2014.

Posted by: Steve in Melb. | Oct 20 2019 6:12 utc | 135

karlof1 | Oct 20 2019 1:43 utc | 123

"Arresting Clinton would certainly cause a political uproar, but would be a greatly needed uproar ..."

Indeed! A mind-blower. Exactly what is sought to enable any reset of justice, aka fairness, without which the chaos level continues to preclude any change in the dwindling spiral toward oblivion. To wit, observe the mobility and intellect of a rock.

Most of Mankind is aware of The Clintons. Most of Mankind knows the pull of taxation and the tax farmers whose job is to collect it.

IMO, the tax-exempt status of much of the Clintons' Trusts-Foundations-Charities were apparently never legally established, as by state or federal issue of tax-exempt status via I.D. numbered certificates, yearly for each State authorizing solicitation in each State. Document searches by, e.g. Charles Ortel et al, often came up empty of the required, legal-status docs.

Econ/lawyer William Black [prof at U of Mo. at Kansas City] coined, I think, the terms "regulatory capture" and "control fraud" to state the problem.

Now, a simple .gov-authorized search by an uncaptured, .gov-authority should quickly establish at least some documented and deliberate crimes. Public exposure that these purported docs were never issued would utterly upset any claim of innocence. They were or were not ever issued. The paper docs exist or they do not.

Note--any tax-exempt gift to the Clinton charities are the responsibility of the donor to prove the recipient was legally exempt; else the donor must pay the unpaid tax.

Now what part of the citizenry would not understand the tax crimes of the Clintons, if the Clintons could not show their proof of legal status?

How many taxpayers and the debt-burdened would ignore the past failure to investigate and prosecute?

Your idea bringing the Clintons to a just conclusion might be marvelously effective toward focusing attention and facilitating other, lawful actions toward fairness.

I'm now curious to observe if your post gets further traction.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 20 2019 6:31 utc | 136

Hillary Clinton's meltdown must be very embarrassing to even the corrupt democratic party stalwart. But I don't think they have any decency left.

Posted by: Steve | Oct 20 2019 9:07 utc | 137

H.R. Clinton (c. 2012): "The world will not waver, Assad must go"

And with that famous curse behind her, she enter's the historical abyss of irrelevance.

If only she'd kept poor old Bill more distracted with what Monica L. was providing him then we might have had a far different start to the 21st century.

Going mad (b4 the god's open the trapdoor ...) -- image of 1,001 words

Only M. Thatcher looked more demented in her last days.

And where is Bill C. at the book launch? More likely at home in his cute blue dress and high-heels texting 'Epstein 2.0' for some post-morgue fun with the lost children?

Posted by: imo | Oct 20 2019 9:21 utc | 138


That is why the Electoral College is indispensible.

Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Oct 20 2019 14:21 utc | 139


BTW, I agree that the adoption of the Constitution of 1787 was the death of the Republic and the birth of the empire.

Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Oct 20 2019 14:27 utc | 140

As a Gabbard and sortof Sanders supporter some of the scenarios seem plausible, as usual among barflies, backed up with facts. One perspective I view the recent entry of young progressives in Washington-- AOC, Omar, Presney, Tlaib and Gabbard-- is their age. I compare my own development at age 20, 25, 30, 35 and 40 with what I know of theirs. I view my changing beliefs, my compromises (sellouts), actions and adjustments along with compulsive/addictive behaviors I developed, struggled with and fought as I continue to this day. (I must add that I am a reasonably happy and upbeat person) One difference is that the above mentioned people are in positions of much greater influence and power than I was or am as a now retired teacher. I continue to be impressed with all of these individuals while I also disagree with some of their actions and positions (I support BDS and Gabbard doesn't). I am encouraged that all of them appear to be making courageous decisions which have caused them pain but they seem to be handling their lives in a strong and measured way. I might be wrong but I think Gabbard will continue to stand up for her core beliefs as she navigates the seductive and also dangerous world she lives in.

Posted by: miguel jose | Oct 20 2019 14:32 utc | 141


Ditto thanks for reminding me of the LOWV.

I knew something had changed about the way the debates were being handled but did not concentrate my attention on what it was.

Now I remember---call it a recovedred memory. Of course! The debates used to be the province of the LOWV.

I didn't realize how the LOWV had been squeezed out of the process. Shameful!!

I never bought the idea that women in power would necessarily espouse different, less bloody, policies than men. But I did always feel that the LOWV was a living example of how woman CAN represent the best version of what a democratic process can aspire to be.

Way to go, women of the USA!!!

The way the org. was disempowered as the organizer of the national debates is a recommendation in itself.

Here (below) is a bracing account of how the LOWV stuck to their guns and refused to "perpetrate a fraud" on the American people, and challenged the two contenders to dare to participate in a free and open debate. Surely this backroom deal between the two main parties is an obvious milestone and marker of the actual "one-party system" we now suffer under.

Bring back the LOWV as the sponsor. Didn't they actually originate the whole idea?

Posted by: Really?? | Oct 20 2019 15:24 utc | 142


"One of the latest New Yorker magazines has an Impeach Trump article that describes the coup against the Ukraine as "a popular uprising" in about as glib a tone as you can imagine. The same article dismisses the gravity of the vulture-like opportunism of Hunter Biden and his dad."

this is why I no longer subscribe to nor read The New Yorker.
What a decline there.

Posted by: really?? | Oct 20 2019 15:37 utc | 143

chu the @138--

Thanks for your reply! What you list are some of the bullet points on a long list of illegalities I've stored over the years in my memory over which they've been able to avoid prosecution thanks to obstruction of justice going back to the compiling of the articles of impeachment. The duo's history fuels the hypothesis of CIA's wholesale capture of the executive since 1981, although I find grounds for establishing such as much earlier, predating 1963 by a decade or more, even as far as 1948.

If you've been following, I've advocated that Trump do his job as Chief Magistrate to ultimately frustrate the impeachment process and fulfill his campaign promise to drain the Swamp, not because I like Trump, but because such an endeavor is demanded by the National Interest lest the parade of ongoing corruption continue its escalation. But I rather doubt we'll see many more comments on this as once made most tend to not echo themselves.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 20 2019 16:14 utc | 144

@ steven t johnson | Oct 19 2019 22:27 utc | 105

I object to the personal attack, dear friend.

If you say a thing who would doubt it? Mere assertions are...what sort of evidence?

The evidence may be simple minded - theft is that way.

The reality is that voting in the US has a long and sordid history, and many votes are rigged...(since?), well, the convention of 1787 - where, I am informed, not all were there...a rigged deal, and funny too, with respect to quorum and ratification....

I believe Palast has some figures on this.

I am quite at ease with the rigging, as it's normal.

Your "logic" seems to be based on imagination.

Try> "greg palast rigged election vote caging" in duckduckgo, unless you can discover actual proof his data in wrong, it may be construed that it's not Walter that's delusional, amigo...

In my turf, when elections were honest, the adult men voted in public at the courthouse, by show of hands, wearing their "irons"... That's a fair election.

Posted by: Walter | Oct 20 2019 17:30 utc | 145

Thoughts on vote-rigging and voting...and what counts as a "win"...

Considering the realities 'round soviet submarine B-59, where-in it is recorded that a single vote prevented atomic war (look it up) it may be worthwhile to consider that the vote was two in favor and one against...and recalling that we would almost surely all be dead if majority had prevailed...the value of consensus might be a worthwhile subject of study.

And the reality of the Supreme Court stopping an election - in which the Court has zero standing - the selection process is spelled out in USC - the Court's not in the loop. And appointing a nitwit stooge? Well, somebody said... (Did they do this because the "Patriot Act" and the New York Yeibichai was already in the works?) Well the Court got to vote... Democratic! Then they destroyed the ballots or something...

And thinking that Trickydickie probably did win in 1960 - and except for the vote rigging by the mob (P D Scott et al) (Chicago, mostly, except for that we'd be dead because dickieboy was head of the wh plans to invade cuba (peter dale scott again)they say) - and he'd a done it...him and LeMay and the fine fellas...

This is why I find no fault with rigging elections, so long as the decisions are not totallyphuchup.

We're still alive and the lights are often on. That's pretty good, considerin'

Posted by: Walter | Oct 20 2019 18:45 utc | 146

I find that despising both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is practically a full time job. Maybe this is what Andrew Yang's universal basic income is supposed to support.

Posted by: Rob | Oct 20 2019 19:48 utc | 147

You mean Ms. 'We came, we saw, he died (Ghadaffi)–haw haw!' accused progressive candidates Gabbard and Stein of being Russian assets? So, for the CIA democrats like Clinton if you aren't teething at the bit for more wars with Iran, Russia, Syria etc you MUST be a Russian asset :-o

Posted by: deschutes | Oct 20 2019 19:51 utc | 148

Yeibichai? I'm not familiar with that word.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 21 2019 0:13 utc | 149

I let my subscription to The New Yorker expire a year or two ago.

One of my pastimes when I was an undergraduate at Princeton in the 1960s was to look at copies in the library of German newspapers and magazines from 1933. It was remarkable how quickly the editorial line changed after Hitler became Chancellor. The six months after the 2016 election worked a similar sea change on U.S. media.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 21 2019 0:24 utc | 150

Yeibichai...Navajo ceremonial dance rituals. But in casual anglo slang, more or less any big affair, 'specially with fire and smoke and ritual and myth...Yeibichai is in Miriam Webster's dictionary. FF events are generally coded as "Yeibichai" or "rodeo" or whatever - at least at my landing zone...the 911 Yeibichai...indeed a mythic affair, it's karma. Ketosis...

Mao wrote (sorta) Hullabaloo in East, Attack in West... Yeibichai would fit just as well.

There was a time I lived near Oljato...

Posted by: Walter | Oct 21 2019 0:37 utc | 151

Casual Anglo slang? I'm a native New Yorker, and I've never heard or read the word. Live and learn.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 21 2019 1:42 utc | 152

Seer @134:

EXCEPT the FACT that Tulsi has been firmly implanted in Bernie's sphere ... There is ZERO evidence that Tulsi is working counter to Sanders ... Tulsi is coming up from behind to pick off all those underneath Sanders ...

Sanders was Hillary's sheepdog.

"Enough with the emails!" LOL.

Tulsi fought the DNC back in 2016 and she's doing it still...

IMO Tulsi's resignation to protest mistreatment of Sanders (the sheepdog) is as arranged as the leak of DNC emails.

The DNC's "play" is to split the vote and get Buttigieg in ...

Well, I've said before that USA is "Empire First" and from that POV the Deep State will want voters to chose between two alternatives that are acceptable to them (in case something unexpected happens - they don't take chances). Is Buttigieg in the Club? We know that Biden is.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 21 2019 2:56 utc | 153

Tulsi vs. Hillary.

Posted by: Jonathan | Oct 22 2019 4:06 utc | 154

'whats with the anti war establishment folks in my newsfeed hopping on the Tulsi hope train? A bit of theatre and a strong worded tweet to Clinton and you guys all believe this Democratic party image consultant creation is the real deal.

For those that have never spent time inside the beltway, maybe this is all lost on you. But the parties actually poll folks like you and they know what you like and then they actually shape candidates images to fit so you will vote for their bought and paid stooges. Surely dome of you must have watched the Will Ferrel film, 'The Campaign.' Its just a comedy, but really do this in real life.

Nevee mind she voted for the biggest war budget that has been passed on this planet. Never mind that she loves the war on terror and wants to continue killing folks all over the world with drones as if war was just another video game never mind that she wants to bring North Korea to herl eith the wishes of the US empire by quite literally starving them to death.

Nope! She called out HCR, she's a hero!!!

Maybe her voting record will dissuade you of the notion that she's anything other than a female Obama. She votes to the right of Pelosi for crying out loud. And go ahead and scroll through her record. I'll post a link to it. Your finger will get tired looking for votes where she actually voted against her own party.'

Posted by: Giap | Oct 22 2019 8:25 utc | 155

Clinton is mad since a long time !

Posted by: Berti | Oct 22 2019 8:28 utc | 156

"Clinton should be suspended from the Democratic Party for damaging its chances to regain the White House."

Clinton should be disbarred and prohibited from public office, for charges stemming from the 1990s, and added her hidden hand in Benghazi and the Arab Spring; her crimes against humanity in Haiti; her money laundering and quid pro quo related to the Clinton Foundation, her war mongering and her interference with a presiding, freely elected president and in the 2020 election.

A public hanging at noon after a public trial is hereby recommended by the many trampled down by her mafia.

Posted by: jt | Oct 22 2019 14:22 utc | 157

@ Paulb | Oct 19 2019 23:04 utc | 105

“AntiSpin spins the truth by pretending the US Secretary of State actually runs US foreign policy. The war on Libya was an international actionm first of all, meaning Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy were agreeing, to name just three.”

There is a Wikileaks entry –

Tick Tock On Libya

containing a long list of emails between Hillary and her staff, in which she orders them over and over to make sure that she gets all the credit for the assault on Libya, and staff members respond with evidence that she can use to support that claim.
Hillary was convinced that the destruction of Libya that she organized and oversaw would help her in her presidential campaign.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 22 2019 18:53 utc | 158

Correction -- the above should have been directed to its actual author --
steven t johnson | Oct 19 2019 22:27 utc | 104

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 22 2019 18:57 utc | 159

@uncle tungsten (82) Wow, how can anyone argue with such a devastating critique of Warren? Keep up the ad hominem attacks. You’re very good at them.

Posted by: Rob | Oct 23 2019 5:27 utc | 160

« previous page

The comments to this entry are closed.