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October 24, 2019

Syria - The Kurds Want To Play On Both Sides

When President Trump ignored bad advice he enabled progress in Syria. Unfortunately Trump is back at listening to the bad advice some State Department people are giving him:

President Donald Trump says he wants to “end endless wars.” But the counter-Iran, counter-Russia hawks on his national security team are planning to sneak in a long-term U.S. military presence in southeast Syria. And their plans may have been in the works for a while.

With U.S. forces opening the gates for Turkey to take over northeast Syria, Trump administration officials are now drawing up plans to keep several hundred U.S. troops alongside Arab rebel groups in the country’s oil-rich southeast. Trump has said, “we have secured the oil.” And Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) diplomats have said they’re willing to work with such a plan.

The National Interest has learned that the Trump administration’s anti-ISIS team, led by Ambassador James Jeffrey, has floated the idea of a counter-Iran presence in Deir ez-Zor for some time now.

“Every day, the [U.S.-led] coalition has been very strong against [Syrian ruler] Assad,” said Omar Abu Layla, CEO of Deirezzor24, who said that he has seen U.S. helicopters and F-35 fighter jets increase their presence against Iranian-backed forces in the region.

Abu Layla told the National Interest that he spoke to Jeffrey’s team three or four months ago. “They promised, ‘we will not leave Syria before we kick Iran out of Syria,’” he claimed. “They will not leave our province easily.”

While James Jeffrey pushes the anti-Iran nonsense Trump dreams of winning a Nobel Peace Prize by facilitating a deal between Turkey and the Kurds:

In the infamous “undiplomatic” letter to Erdogan a few days ago, Trump had voiced an audacious idea that Gen. Mazloum could be a potential negotiator with Erdogan. To quote Trump, “General Mazloum is willing to negotiate with you (Erdogan), and he is willing to make concessions that they would never have made in the past. I am confidentially enclosing a copy of his letter to me, just received.”

Yet, General Mazloum is Turkey’s most wanted terrorist who worked in the ranks of the separatist PKK for nearly 3 decades and it is necessary to connect some dots at this point.
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Gen. Mazloum is likely to visit Washington in a near future; so is Erdogan. Trump is promoting Kurdish reconciliation with Turkey. The last fortnight’s developments on the diplomatic front have removed the single biggest source of tension in the US-Turkey relations — US’ alliance with YPG and the presence of Kurdish fighters along Syria’s border with Turkey.

When one combines the two items one can understand the thinking behind this otherwise idiotic tweet:

Donald J. Trump - @realDonaldTrump - 17:48 UTC · Oct 24, 2019

I really enjoyed my conversation with General @MazloumAbdi. He appreciates what we have done, and I appreciate what the Kurds have done. Perhaps it is time for the Kurds to start heading to the Oil Region!

The Kurds live in the northern part of east Syria. The oilfields are in the eastern part of Deir Ezzor governorate, 300 kilometers south of the Kurdish areas. The oil fields lie in an area that has a 100% Arabic population and Kurds are generally not welcome there. But the U.S. does not want to send enough troops to occupy the oil fields. It needs a proxy force it can trust.


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Should the U.S. try occupy the oil fields area with the help of a Kurdish militia the local Arabs will immediately (re-)convert to ISIS and fight the occupiers of their land.

Joshua Landis @joshua_landis - 18:20 UTC · Oct 24, 2019

9. Iran and Russia are rivals of the US, but any effort by Washington to undermine their efforts to bring stability to NE Syria will only help ISIS & extremist groups. If the US keeps troops in the area, takes oil wells, or resists the transition of authority, it will serve ISIS.

I had some hope that Trump had recognized that James Jeffrey was working against his effort the pull U.S. troops out of Syria. Jeffrey should have been fired long ago. Instead it seems that Trump is still listening to him.

Meanwhile the Kurds again prove their utter lack of political sensibility. The State Department insulted them:

A State Department official broke a pencil and screamed at the Syrian Kurdish delegation during a dramatic breakdown of relations between the United States and the Syrian Kurds. The high-tension moment in September highlights the diplomatic problems plaguing the Trump administration ..

The U.S. envoys lied to them and Trump betrayed them. But they still believe that they can make deals on both sides of the Syria conflict.

Ali @CoolHuh_ - 19:39 UTC · Oct 24, 2019

SDF in last 24 hour:
Want SAA to defend border
No withdrawing of their mercenaries
Refuse Russian offer
Ask Russia to pressure Syrian gov
Want "special section" in SAA
Want US illegal presence in Syria
Want international forces

SDF, Are you high?

The Syrian government and the Russian military must tell the PKK-Kurds that they can not play on both sides of the game. No Syrian or Russian soldier shall risk their life to secure and defend the Kurdish majority areas against a Turkish invasion while the Kurds help the U.S. to occupy and steal Syrian oil fields. Either they submit to the Syrian government and end their relations with the U.S. or they shall have to confront a Turkish invasion of their northern areas.

"General" Mazloum Abdi must be told in very clear words that there is no other chance for the Kurds and for himself to survive.

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Kadath @86--

Your analysis of the domestic Outlaw US Empire is quite good, thank you! Your 3 scenarios are good, but the current domestic political scene is quite volatile and thus unpredictable. Much depends on what happens in 2020. If Trump wins, your 1+3 is most likely.

I see my comment and questions @73 are being ignored.

With the BS about stationing several tank platoons in Southeast Syria without any supporting infrastructure, I looked for the US Army field manual on tank platoon operations to see just what the T,O & E is, and found a preview of one here, but it doesn't cover the parts of field support and maintenance. However, one can see that what's required to support one tank platoon goes way beyond the 16 crew members of those 4 tanks, particularly in the desert where maintenance is almost a constant if you want your tank to maneuver, not just fire. And tanks without any supporting infantry are death traps as we've seen with the Saudis versus Houthis.

A force of 300--One infantry company, one tank company, one support company. You can't cover much territory with those small numbers. And what about logistics, an issue we've beaten to death? Helo supplied? And what happens when one or more of the tanks breaks down as they most certainly will if they're driven around in the sand with no roads capable of supporting the requisite recovery vehicles? You'd think someone in the media would have some sort of experience and ask these basic questions, but no. The Outlaw US Empire's armed forces have magical qualities--Esper just puts his finger alongside his nose and blinks to make all sorts of things happen.

Once upon a time, there were the Wonder Weapons that were going to win the war for Herr Hitler....

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 5:09 utc | 101

@104 anand singh... b is the host who writes these article.. b is for - Bernhard who still runs the site..

Posted by: james | Oct 25 2019 5:15 utc | 102

@ Anand Kumar Singh who asked
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Who is this b? Can anybody help me.
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b = Bernhard who hosts this web site...go read the About page for more

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2019 5:16 utc | 103

@ karlof1... answer to @73.. because the usa is all about the land of hollywood and fantasy and how the cowboys from john wayne all the way down to ronald reagan and etc - always are top dog, or gun, or whatever the case may be... and i am sure monopoly was created by a first rate capitalist american like trump who doesn't really care if he is raking everyone over the coals while an increased number of americans sleep on the streets, or suffer from the opiate crisis, or what have you.. the important thing is to get the oil, lol... i know it sounds whacked, but it is what i get from reading too many tweets from trump! my brain turns into jello and no amount of it sticks to anything!

Posted by: james | Oct 25 2019 5:20 utc | 104

karlof1

It is something I have thought over a long time now. You have mentioned number of timeshare how US is ignoring the fact that US signed up to united nations and because of that international law also becomes US law, or something along that line.
Trump I think is taking US pre UN
I have mentioned before the age of empires ended for most countries with WWII, US the only country still building and empire but through other means.
I doubt Trump will be able to pull of what he intends, but it is dangerous to veiw him as nothing more than the tweeter in chief.
Plenty of signs US is planning on going it alone with five-eyes. That is what returning manufacturing to the US is all about, not remaking it the the manufacturing superpower of the world.
There is nothing irrational nor inconsistent about Trump unless we are unwilling to look at all he has been saying and doing, look it from all angles and try figure out what strategy ties it all together. Once that is done, there is nothing irrational, erratic nor inconstant about Trump.
He has done his homework and is willing to take calculated risks.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 5:27 utc | 105

karlof1
Number of typos in 110 - about usual for me but makes difficult reading. Spacebar doesn't work properly at times. In the first, line it should have read...
"You have mentioned number of times here how US is ignoring the fact that US signed up to united nations..."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 5:46 utc | 106

james @109--

Thanks very much for your reply! What I write below goes to show that the writer got his title correct when he called his sociological study of Americans People of Paradox.

Numerous John Wayne films were about beating the corrupt bad guy so the good members of the community could prosper. The vast diversity of American Cinema, Theatre, Music, and Literature--its Arts--historically always outweighed what was produced to promote Exceptionalism until very recently; and many students of the subject will argue that the best examples promote wholesome values. Sure, there're plenty of propagandistic films and books, but what gets viewed again and again to become the Classics are movies by the Frank Capras, not the Cecile de Miles. No, they don't make 'em like they used to--Why is it that the anti-heroes get turned into heroes: think Scrooge and the Grinch. And aside from those two examples, why is it that altruism doesn't sell?

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 5:54 utc | 107

Should the U.S. try occupy the oil fields area with the help of a Kurdish militia the local Arabs will immediately (re-)convert to ISIS and fight the occupiers of their land.

Could the arabs be persuaded to ally themselves with SAA instead of ISIS? It makes no sense for them to ally with ISIS, surely? Are they particularly anti-Assad? (Not, I thought). If they ally themselves with SAA against Kurds/US they at least have SAA/Russia as backup. If they ally themselves with ISIS, SAA/Russia will exterminate them (possibly with a little on-off help from the US). Or would they want to become ISIS, ally with US, and be flown by US to Afghanistan (definitely not a good deal)?

Posted by: BM | Oct 25 2019 6:21 utc | 108

BM

ISIS were given SDF hats earlier.
Kurd's are mostly Sunni as are the tribes of the oil region. US will most likely pull in a few Kurds for the public face of whatever hat they put on the proxy force.
ISIS itself was little more than a managed and marketed evil. Hugely promoted by MSM, complete with genuine snuff movies to stir jaded feelings.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 6:39 utc | 109

There seem to be two basic takes on Trumps foreign policy, or as americans call it, war policy (apart from blind hatred).
1) Trump is erratic, inconsistent, tweets whatever happens to be on his mind perhaps after watching fox news. A goldfish playing president.

The other is that that Trump is trying to pull out of all wars and take the troops home but is led astray and hindered by deep state. This veiw though does not take into account Trump being consistent in building up spending more money on the US military, the NNP, nor vetoing the congress resolution to end US involvement in the war on Yemen.

As I put in a previous comment, very few take the time to see if all appearing inconsistencies actually can be put together like a jigsaw puzzle to see if it makes up a strategy.

The thought is that many or most jigsaw puzzles have the finished picture as a guide. This is more like taking a pile of jigsaw parts and seeing what picture they form.
If you start off thinking that the unknown puzzle must be put together to show a tree, when in fact it will show a hill when assembled, then the puzzle can never be put together.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 7:12 utc | 110

Forgot france. It may still have enough of its military manufacturing left to become sovereign.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 24 2019 23:53 utc | 69

You mean sovereign as in sovereign faggot, à la Macron?


Posted by: flankerbandit | Oct 25 2019 0:02 utc | 69

Bullseye again Flankerbandit!

Posted by: BM | Oct 25 2019 7:37 utc | 111

Forgot france. It may still have enough of its military manufacturing left to become sovereign.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 24 2019 23:53 utc | 65

Are US/UK "sovereign" because they manufacture weapons, or are they slaves to the MIC because of the weapons manufacture and associated corruption and perversion? If the latter, it is not sovereignty!

Posted by: BM | Oct 25 2019 7:43 utc | 112

BM

In this era any country that can manufacture all its weapons systems without having to import can be sovereign. The countries that cannot do that must rely on a patron.

The amount and types of weapons a country needs very much depend on strategy. Iran is a prime example of this. It understands US weaknesses. The only thing it did not have was nuclear deterrent, although it had its own version of mutually assured destruction. On top of that, it now comes under Russia's nuclear deterrent.
As you say, they have a faggot leadership, not only Macron, but Hollande's reaction to the Obama admin US listening in on his phone, he had just been bent over in public and all he could say was US is an ally, but still, it's not been that long since de Gaulle, so perhaps France will show a spark of life one day. In the meantime, they can still produce enough weapons systems to become a sovereign country if that were to happen.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 7:59 utc | 113

Israël and the Zionist lobbies will never accept that they lost the Kurds to Syria and that Iran has now a free hand in Syria. They will do anything, just anything to prevent that to happen.. it is scary as they are getting desperate.

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 25 2019 8:34 utc | 114

https://www.unz.com/tsaker/revisiting-the-win-win-win-win-outcome-in-syria

The saker views

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 25 2019 8:37 utc | 115

@116 Virgile

Thanks Virgile, good Saker article.

It seems that here at MoA one fairly prevalent belief is that Russia should be more militarily aggressive towards the USA in Syria, ignoring the fact that USA/Israel/NATO enjoy a large military advantage in the Syrian Theatre. Yes, Russia would shoot down some jets and sink some ships, hit some ground troops, cause some damage, probably upwards of 5000 casualties in a short time, but they would be forced out of Syria, take similar casualties, and the Syrian Government would fall shortly after. Zionists would love Russia to attempt to take the oilfields by force, it would be a disaster (as of the moment, that can change).

Part of the problem is the defended area has no strategic depth (like Israel), but I digress.


Saker Quote
"by far the most powerful actor almost by any measure: a bigger military force then all the other actors combined (at least when looked at regionally), huge economic power (the dollar is still THE #1 currency on the planet), total control of the region (via CENTCOM) and quasi unconditional support from Europe (via NATO). Finally, Israel does pack a powerful military punch. This actor has only ONE weakness, but more about that later."

And on the Macro level, win or lose Russia benefits more with peace.
"the US needs constant wars simply in order to survive, whereas Russia needs peace to flourish"

It is easy to overlook Syria was weeks away from collapsing when Russia entered. IMO they have managed a situation where the odds were stacked against them masterfully.

Still a long way to go.

Posted by: J-Dogg | Oct 25 2019 10:05 utc | 116

Iraq put in a complaint to the UN about US moving forces from Syria to Iraq.

"BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi security forces used tear gas and stun grenades to repel demomstrators on Friday morning who had marched towards government buildings in protest against corruption and economic hardship.
The incident marked a renewal of the anti-government protests after security forces killed about 150 people in confronting a round of demonstrations at the start of the month."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-protests/protesters-march-towards-baghdads-fortified-green-zone-as-anti-government-protests-resume-idUSKBN1X32SV?il=0

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 10:07 utc | 117

John Helmer's latest:

The Syrian Tug of War is Still War Against Syria, and Russians Trust the Army More Than President Putin to Wage It

https://johnhelmer.net/gorilla-radio-the-syrian-tug-of-war-is-still-war-against-syria-and-russians-trust-the-army-more-than-president-putin-to-wage-it/

"It doesn't suit any of the sides in the US presidential campaign to acknowledge that the terms President Vladimir Putin agreed this week for the Turkish invasions and occupation of northern Syria to become permanent are not those which Russia's Defence Ministry, General Staff, Foreign Ministry and Foreign Intelligence Service proposed instead..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 25 2019 10:37 utc | 118

Karlof01 - 101
"one can see that what's required to support one tank platoon goes way beyond the 16 crew members of those 4 tanks, particularly in the desert where maintenance is almost a constant if you want your tank to maneuver, not just fire. And tanks without any supporting infantry are death traps as we've seen with the Saudis versus Houthis.
And what about logistics, an issue we've beaten to death? Helo supplied? And what happens when one or more of the tanks breaks down as they most certainly will if they're driven around in the sand with no roads capable of supporting the requisite recovery vehicles?"
What makes all this even more ridiculous is that WWII tank powers had figured it out before the war was over, because they had plenty of such bad experiences.


Virgile -116
That Sker's Sidebar about the kind of smaller countries that makes the same mistakes, never learns from errors, is deep in self-aggrandizement and arrogance, and keep being invaded because they end up making enemies in the neighnouring major powers - sounds quite spot on. I was wondering if he wasn't indirectly targetting Israel as well - they can be good buddies with some great powers, but only when those are far away -, even moreso if you also take into account the ancient history of Israel, 1000 BC to 136 AD.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Oct 25 2019 10:40 utc | 119

karlof1 says:

Until Raqqa is rebuilt and regains its regional importance, the Northeast's importance to the national health is enhanced, thus its importance

ah yes, the legacy of carpet bombing. i read that the stench of rotting corpses under the rubble is still prevalent in parts of the town, other parts still off-limits because of de-mining operations. they're still struggling to restore the waterworks and the sewage system, still removing dead bodies all along the way.

apparently in Fallujah things have sorta kinda been restored to normal since they too were carpet bombed way back in those heady days of Operation Vigilant Resolve. restored in the sense of patched up buildings and jerry-rigged water and current supply, but the local economy is pretty much kaput, many young people and children left behind.

Posted by: john | Oct 25 2019 10:53 utc | 120

Once more we see the groupthink blog consensus moving too late to keep up with the reality on the ground.

Turkey holds all the cards at this poker table.

And for those who believe forces of the Outlaw Evil Empire will now be attacked: LMAO

You still have some catching up to do.

And take note. b admits when he is wrong, which when it involves the unholy fascist trinity of Trump, Putin, Netanyahoo and especially the fourth Stooge Erdo is pretty much all the time.

Wake up sheeple!

Your workdview remains off. Those globalists whom you believe to be your 'nationalist' friends are not actually your friends

Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 25 2019 11:17 utc | 121

Another perspective on Syria. Not the most reliable of sources, so weigh it on its merits not its source.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/trump-disrupts-millions-in-illegal-drug-trafficking-cash-kickbacks-from-syria

My observation is that spending billions of taxpayers money to make millions in private profit seems to be a well established American governmental perk.

Posted by: eagle eye | Oct 25 2019 11:20 utc | 122

I have just read Saker's analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the players in the middle east.
He too, does not under estimate current US military power in the region. Possibly underestimates the strength of the Russian military position in Syria depending how many of the air launched (mig mounted) hypersonic missiles are deployed. Russia has stated it will destroy whatever and wherever attacks are launched from.
Much is now coming down to pure military power. Something Andrei Martyanov has been stating for some time. Russia is starting to push the US back, doing it by positioning, tactics and strategy, speaking softly, but behind this an extremely powerful military.
Russia is hoping and working for the best but prepared and continuing to further prepare for the worse.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 11:22 utc | 123

Peter AU 1 @111:

1.) Well, you make a good point, you find what you go looking for. People who really want to find something tend to find it whether anybody else can or not, e.g. "cold fusion". (It's seems the science droids are hyping hot fusion again, not clear if they are onto something or not.)

But I see a lot of "finding what you go looking for" here, not that that means you are wrong, you might be more perceptive, but it's probably not a good idea to get too emotionally involved if you want to find "objective truth", whatever that is. Plus it's less stressful.

2.) Trump: Well, on the one hand, he's still standing, after what, four years and more of this shit? This has to be very disheartening for his enemies who thought they had it all under control. Whatever he represents, he is not a goldfish, he appears to be much smarter than say Pelosi and Clinton (low bar I admit). His history says he's a typical rich dickhead of the same type as Kavanaugh, i.e. a tool. So there is definitely something that needs explaining with Trump. Also, he is a very successful TV actor, and an adept butt-coverer when it comes to legal accountablity. So I don't see a goldfish. No no. It's def. a clown act, well practiced on the stage.

That said, I don't see any evidence of an agenda much above what Bannon has to say, or any great genius either, he's ignorant as sin and no getting around it. So basically I think he is a great manipulator who had "greatness" thrust upon him by a disgruntled electorate. Kind of like Clinton, but later in the process of social decay, and coming from money already, not needy like Clinton.

Domitian the wannabe gladiator then, not Claudius the "fool".

It IS very interesting that he has just apparently pissed off the zionists and neocons, but it seems to be a matter of self-interest, not genius, Trump, whatever he is, is not just a tool. That appears to be very disheartening and a great shock for them too. And just when they are totally locked up politically just like us here in USA.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 25 2019 11:57 utc | 124

Well...I have made it a kind of rule not to respond to complete fucking idiots like this 'jackasstale'...not least because we have seen him post just mountains of garbage if given the slightest opening.

Now ignoring the specifics of the mushroomland fantasies that these clued-out types like to dream about...here is the reality.

One need only ask why are the entire US political establishment is completely freaking out...and why are their media supporters also freaking out...?

The answer is self-evident...their ENTIRE Syria regime-change project and partition which they have been promoting by hook and by crook for many years is now officially dead and lying in pieces on the ground...naturally that brings out primal shrieks of LOSER'S AGONY...

There can be no partitioning of Syria now, with the SAA having gained overnight most of the Turkish border...important cities like Tabqa, Raqqa, Kobane and Manbij...plus important routes like the entire length of the M4 highway [we note that the Sochi agreement spells out that the SAA has control of this, even in the stretch of the Turkish incursion zone...which consolidates the entire northeast of the country, and connects it to the rest of the Syrian heartland.

The Sochi agreement is not EVERYTHING that the Syrian govt would have liked to get, but diplomacy is the art of the possible...

Some here have cited Bhadrakumar who is often badly off in his ramblings...[although he often brings some good insights]

The US noise about remaining in the oil patch is insanity...let's wait and see how long they can keep that up, even if they don't actually pull out shortly, which I expect them to do, because logistically it is not feasible.

So the Sochi deal has cemented a huge return of territory to the SAR...Turkey could not realistically be expected to lose in diplomacy what it had already gained militarily...which is that 150 km bulge...which is in fact meaningless...unlike the 450 km stretch they wanted, which is now gone forever.

So on its face it is idiotic to state that Putin 'blinked' or that Turkey is now in control and other such nonsense.

Having said that, I think most here do not take these kind of jackasses seriously, so I will revert now to ignoring these jackass screams...

Posted by: flankerbandit@proton | Oct 25 2019 12:16 utc | 125

Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 5:27 utc | 105 says "Trump I think is taking US pre UN"

We have been "pre UN" long before Drumph. Just look at the rather recent times of Bill/Shrub/Obomber - we have been bombing, invading, torturing, "renditioning", etc. without any regard to international law... I am not even saying that that's when it had started.

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 25 2019 12:20 utc | 126

#83 Kurds deal w ith Assad

My impression from the press conference by Lavrov and Shoigu that can be seen at The Saker blog is that Jonathan is right.

The establishment and maintenance of Syrian sovereignty over its territory seems to be the benchmark they are working from. Or, the marker by which Russia and Assad are setting their course. It just doesn't sound to me as though Russia is going to throw away the gains of the past three years in Syria by letting an illegal foreign presence (their terminology) continue to call any shots whatsoever or remain in any form whatsoever on Syrian territory. That is, any foreign state such as Turkey, the USA, was called out as being in Syria illegally and would have to leave. Those are the words of Shoigu and Lavrov. Can you take them to the bank? I guess we'll soon find out . . .

Posted by: Really?? | Oct 25 2019 12:23 utc | 127

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 24 2019 23:53 utc | 65 .... on sovereignty

I don't think that the ability to make weapons independently is the real test of whether or not a country is sovereign, although it is an important factor.

If "war is the continuation of politics by other means" (Carl von Clausewitz) then "politics is the continuation of finances by other means" (Nathan Mulcahy :) ). In that sense whoever (tribes, groups, nations, etc.) controls the world finance is sovereign...

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 25 2019 12:30 utc | 128

"Well, you make a good point, you find what you go looking for.' and "Your writing indicates fatigue"

Best way to debate a point or debunk a theory I guess.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 12:38 utc | 129

Peter: I'm not debating a point or debunking anything, I'm spreading doubt, which I think is warranted. I don't think your theory is without merit, it's very consistent with the past and what's being said. We're all speculating on incomplete information.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 25 2019 12:49 utc | 130

Nathan Mulcahy

In the 80's I think it was, US refuse to be held accountable by the US when found in favor of Nicaragua in the Nicaragua vs US case. US mostly got around the UN with R2P, coalitions of the killing and that sort of thing.

"If "war is the continuation of politics by other means" (Carl von Clausewitz) then "politics is the continuation of finances by other means""

I think we can certainly say that of the US. US finance is riding on debt and bubbles and someday the bubbles will burst. They cannot get back to solid footing using politics alone nor continue the type of politics they have been using.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 12:55 utc | 131

Bemildred
"Spreading doubt" yep.

"you find what you go looking for. People who really want to find something tend to find it whether anybody else can or not, e.g. "cold fusion"."
"But I see a lot of "finding what you go looking for" here"
"but it's probably not a good idea to get too emotionally involved if you want to find "objective truth""

Take a look at what you have written there Bemildred and then think about the emotional part and who is affected by it.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 13:21 utc | 132

Bemildred 125 "he's ignorant as sin and no getting around it."

After watching how well he read the Europeans - nuke deal, making them cough up for NATO funding, and a few other things like that, I have come to doubt he is ignorant.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 13:33 utc | 133

Peter AU 1: He a "very good manipulator", that's not what he is ignorant about. And he has a lot of leverage.

A lot depends on what he is really up to, if anything. He certainly gives the impression of stumbling about, and yet he's still there. I'm not dissing him, I'm giving him "grudging respect". He has learned on the job, but I would not call him a quick study. But he won the Presidency. I'm stumped, so far.

He's doing a great job of demolishing US hegemony, intended or not.

He's not the first actor to make the transition, Reagan was a lousy actor before he becames President, Trump is the second clown who got the job.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 25 2019 13:55 utc | 134

Speaking of Checkmate ; if Trumps able to pull this off, he's turned the Turkish invasion against Putin & the Resistance. Trump and the Deep State agree on stealing oil. (The Neocon's most cherished wetdream.) And so will Trump's folowers.

Posted by: Raph | Oct 25 2019 14:04 utc | 135

I agree that Erdogan is holding the cards but only because Trump gave him those cards (except one) and Putin then gave away the farm.

Though the biggest winner in all this (thanks to Trump and Putin), so far, without having much to do or spend is the Zionist State. Trump is occupying the East and the oil fields (the Ace) and Putin gave away the North and while resettlement begins, Putin will try to talk Assad into loosening his hold on power (although Trump's sanctions and occupation in the East will lead to Assad's demise anyway). Would Putin give up power in a similar situation? Not a chance. Although, he kind of did when he allowed the Zionist oligarchy to take over Russian industry instead of the Russian people. The outcome of that is for another day.

However, Zionists are hoping that Trump's intended bribery of the Kurds works. Then it'll be all tied up and Assad's days will be numbered. Assad will be the first domino to fall, then Hezbollah and finally, the big prize, Iran.

That's the goal of your anti-war bone spurs boy, Zionist Trump, and that's why warhawk, Neocon extraordinaire Lindsey Graham is passing a resolution to protect Trump from impeachment. There's no mystery here, no jigsaw puzzle. He spelled out from the beginning he was going to target Iran and everyone he hired was a rabid Iran hater.

Trump is satsfying a critical Zionut agenda and spin like Bemildred @125 is just plain bullshet to keep Trump-hopeyness alive.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 25 2019 14:12 utc | 136

Syria was right to not give these vagabond goat herders citizenship because as we can clearly see, they are worse than the US settlers. At least the US settlers worked to make it great while these kurds just steal what others built. Who wants such people in your country? Europe is experiencing a wave of such types.. Now these guys going to move into the desert to steal the oil? How ayrab of them.. Do we now carry extra women like the good old days when these very same ayrabs would want you to pay them.. usually they wanted women.. The old chinese silk road.. so kurds now instead of herding goats will be herding travellers and packing gas tanks on their donkeys..

Posted by: Igor Bundy | Oct 25 2019 14:13 utc | 137

Circe - 138
Dominoes? Hezbollah next to fall after Assad? Then Israel wins?
Do you really think that the Hezbollah will hesitate to fire all that it has stockpiled before it goes down for good? Do you think Israel would actually survive this? Well, if so, I'm tempted to say: Come on, make my day. Same goes for any talk of going after Iran.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Oct 25 2019 14:34 utc | 138

So another day but no major developments as yet. Some skirmishing between Syrian and Turkish troops....not too serious. Some squabbling at the UN Security Council. France will 'intensify diplomatic efforts' whatever that means. And we are still waiting to see what Donald does with his tanks. That's about it for now. No links. I feel a bit like Grieved @87. Fatigue.

Posted by: dh | Oct 25 2019 14:48 utc | 139

@140 Clueless Joe

What is Hezbollah going to fire if the supply chain is broken? Syria is the link between Hezbollah and Iran. Whatever it has stockpiled isn't going to last against a Zionist arsenal with Syria in a state of ruin and containment.

Trump has already started going after Iran with the worst sanctions ever, and his occupation of Eastern Syria is the tip of the spear against Iran or did you just return to earth and missed all that?

Posted by: Circe | Oct 25 2019 14:55 utc | 140

@18 Circe:

@8 ng - The Kurks are just posturing in hopes that Israel will get back into the equation.

Israel never left the equation. Israel has been breaching Syria's sovereignty and plotting against it for years. Although, it's true Israel can play the Kurds like a Stradivarius to achieve the goal in Syria, unfortunately for them, they're now in the way of that goal.

In the short term, Net. has been sitting this one out, licking wounds at home and taking it easy with US pols and msm. Theya re quite good at not overplaying their hand. Regardless the Kurds are trying to keep the dream alive in case Israel gets back in.

Posted by: ng | Oct 25 2019 14:59 utc | 141

What need for a supply chain when you already have 50.000 missiles and rockets just waiting to be launched? I mean, IDF can try and hit the stockpiles and launchers, but that's not going to stop a good chunk of them, and even 10K would be enough to do pretty huge damages.
Besides, the IDF has seen what the bloody Houthis could do to the Saudis with mere drones. I'm not sure they want to see this happening to them - and Haifa, Orot Rabin and other places would be prime targets, not all that could be secured and protected at the same time.
Basically, Israel would be severely damaged before the army could reach the Litani. Sure, IDF is big and powerful enough to do similar lasting damages to Lebanon, but still; if Netanyahu has any sense, he realizes talk is cheap and fine to boost his popularity, but he's locked in some kind of MAD - lite with Nasrallah.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Oct 25 2019 15:19 utc | 142

re: flankerbandit @127

I, for one, appreciate flankerbandit's efforts to steer the discussion towards things that are happening, or at least can happen, in the real world. There are real professional disinformation workers employed by different imperial information warfare organizations working the forum, with the jack-mule being only the most obvious (and thus least skilled). There are plenty of genuine posters as well who just watch too much TV and get caught up in the imperial narrative management efforts. Since this latter group invariably likes to believe their opinions are their own and naturally arrived at, they find it painful to have those planted opinions challenged. Furthermore, there is a growing consensus in the West that all opinions are created equal and that one's opinion is part of one's identity, so attacking anyone's opinion is seen as an unjustifiable personal attack by many. This state of affairs is unfortunate, but the fact is that all opinions are not equal, and opinions that are based upon fantasy, delusion, or simple disinformation are legitimate targets and attacking them serves the interest of all humanity, not the least of which being the holder of that opinion zemself (hopefully that is the right pronoun).

There is some criticism of flankerbandit from highly respected posters, and if this forum were actually a small and intimate discussion as at an actual bar I could understand and agree with their concern. But this forum is more like a bar scene up on a stage, with hundreds or even thousands in a silent audience invisible in the dark on the other side of the limelights. Leaving disinformation, intentional or otherwise, unchallenged is in a practical sense an endorsement of that disinformation for the audience.

The fact is that since the US withdrawal and the Turkish offensive, nothing really new has happened on the ground other than the Turks halting their advance. The only other real change since b's initial article on this event is some tweets were tweeted and the imperial mass media has recovered from their shock and begun assembling a more cohesive false narrative.

New bogus narrative: "We're not running away! The Syrians are throwing rotten veggies at us because they love us and want us to stay! We're just moving to a new base because that old one was so nasty we had to bomb it. Just to prove how serious we are about staying we are going to bring in tanks... TANKS, I tell you! And we'll build a KFC! Maybe a Pizza Hut too!"

Really, folks, if the news of the tanks didn't have you rolling on the floor laughing out loud then you need to work your way back to the real world. This isn't to say that the US won't park some tanks out in the desert in eastern Syria, but rather that at best it is an empty gesture intended to impress people with the mentalities of ten year old children (which sadly happens to be the vast majority of the US population). Most probable though is that it was just made up to distract and attract clicks for a news cycle. Any sane military commander would fight like hell to keep the troops they are responsible for from ending up in such a ludicrous and farcical situation.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 25 2019 15:21 utc | 143

stupidity confirmed. . .
US will send mechanized units to Syria’s oil fields, Esper says

The U.S. will send armored reinforcements into Syria to guard oil fields that President Donald Trump says also could serve as a safe area for Kurds who aided the Americans before Turkey’s incursion into formerly Kurdish-held Syrian territory.
Defense Secretary Mark Esper, speaking in Brussels on Friday, confirmed that “mechanized” forces would be moving into the Deir al-Zour region, but declined to detail the composition of the units. “We are reinforcing that position, it will include some mechanized forces,” Esper said.
Esper also urged Ankara to investigate allegations of war crimes committed by Turkish-supported militias, which have carried out attacks against the Kurds during Turkey’s incursion into Syria against Kurdish forces. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 25 2019 15:40 utc | 144

Syria,as a sovereign state,recognized before the United Nations,and present in many international organisations,could make a case about rightfully getting back the exploitation of its oil,before the World Trade Organization,instead of fighting for it.Are they?

Posted by: willie | Oct 25 2019 15:45 utc | 145

@145 Going in from Iraq most likely. Do Humvees count as 'armoured vehicles'? Graham will be very disappointed if he doesn't get a couple of tanks.

Posted by: dh | Oct 25 2019 15:48 utc | 146

@ 145 -- so it's changed from tanks to mechanized forces, still crazy
re-post this.....
OilPrice, Feb 14, 2018
Russia Is Taking Over Syria’s Oil And Gas

In accordance with an energy cooperation framework agreement signed in late January, Russia will have exclusive rights to produce oil and gas in Syria.
The agreement goes significantly beyond that, stipulating the modalities of the rehabilitation of damaged rigs and infrastructure, energy advisory support, and training a new generation of Syrian oilmen. Still, the main international aspect and the key piece of this move is the final and unconditional consolidation of Russian interests in the Middle East.
Before the onset of the blood-drenched Civil War, Syrian oil production wavered around 380,000 barrels per day. It has declined for some time then, since its all-time peak production rate of 677,000 barrels per day in 2002. Although the Islamic State was allegedly driven underground, the current output still stands at a devastating 14–15,000 barrels per day. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 25 2019 15:49 utc | 147

Trump has said, “we have secured the oil.” b, top post.

Syria has no oil reserves of any interest.

In fact the lack of FF provoked, now many years ago, the ongoing horror show. Syria was always a marginal producer but when reserves dried up, and the country-side (agri, also many other dependent on transport, energy for biz.. / other production, etc.) could no longer survive without cheap fuel for tractors, plus other, like buses, cars, manufacturing, etc., the sh*t hit the fan.

The squeezed and dispossed moved to suburbs and a struggling, angry, lower class on the fringes was created.

Syria crude oil production:

1960 to 2018:

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/syria/crude-oil-production

other style of chart:

http://crudeoilpeak.info/syria

(many more available - details, presentations, could be quarreled about.)

Bashar’s ‘upgrading to modernity’ discourse was part of the end of a Syria ‘oil age.’ Finance, smart stuff, innovation, banking, would see ppl thru after the oil dried up.

The Rose of the Desert would be lauded once again in Vogue.

https://gawker.com/asma-al-assad-a-rose-in-the-desert-1265002284

Trump knows there is no oil in Syria worth grabbing, controlling or anything else. (imho.)

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 25 2019 16:12 utc | 148

@ William Gruff

Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground
You in mid-air
Send in the TANKS...

...

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer?
Losing my timing this late
In my career?
And where are the TANKS?
There ought to be TANKS
Well, maybe next year...

With apologies to Stephen Sondheim, Barbara Streisand et al...

LOLOLOL

Posted by: flankerbandit | Oct 25 2019 16:38 utc | 149

The thing to watch is the end of the 150-hrs. deadline for the SDF to withdraw 30 kms. from the Turkish-Syrian border. It ends on Tuesday/29.10.2019 at 06:00 in the morning.

The Kurds are dragging their feet as usual, proposing today to patrol the border with the Russian MPs (300 more arrived today by plane to enforce the withdrawal, IF it happens). Trump threatened Turkey with new sanctions today if they strike the Kurds even once. The Russians (Peskov) said that they don't see it as a problem to withdraw the MP and let the Turks and Kurds sort it out...

So, Tuesday may be an important day.

Regarding those who talk about the oilfields etc. - The SAA now is in the process of recovering a big chunk of their own territory. How big it remains to be seen. They are doing the most logical thing - pouring into Transeuphratia methodically, securing their lines of communication, flank and rearletting theUS move out. If the until-recently yellow territory was in an undefensible position, being surrounded from all sides with hostile neighbours, then the oilfields are in an even worse positio, both militarily and politically.

Can you imagine the most obvious provocation - SAA rushing in to be welcomed as liberators, then frictions start with the SDF (remember the 30000 trucks with goodies, as per Erdo's claim) and POOF - the action starts, thousands of SAA troops cut off or taken as hostages by the SDF and we have basically a very bad negotiating position. So, the SAA is doing it right.

I am still waiting for the Russians to make a good show with a training excercise of the VDV in the region of Palmyra or Tabqa, let'say. At this year's Center 2019 they moved a whole regiment (1500 soldiers and more than 200 vehicles) by combined means (parachute most, rest by landing) several thousand kms. away within Russia. But this is one of the many "thin slices of escalation" (thank you, Grieved:) the Russians may be keeping for later. It's good to have such capabilities.


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Posted by: BG | Oct 25 2019 16:57 utc | 150

@ Noirette 150
Syria has no oil reserves of any interest.

Syria oil reserves
Total reserves are estimated at 2.5 Billion barrels and at least 75% of these reserves are in the fields surrounding Deir Al Zor. . . . and daily production can be quickly increased to approximately 300K barrels a day. . .here

Syria production history
2007 300,000bpd, 2018 16,000bpd . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 25 2019 16:57 utc | 151

Slip of the tongue above - the Russian MPs were sent to ASSIST the withdrawal, not enforce it.

The Turks are the enforcers...


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Posted by: BG | Oct 25 2019 17:00 utc | 152

image
OIl and gasfields in Syria here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 25 2019 17:04 utc | 153

@ 155
One can see that the oil (and gas) fields are geographically spread out.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 25 2019 17:12 utc | 154

I see the tune has changed to armored infantry and tanks, which is what I surmised above; still not enough to hold a large consolidated position having very tenuous logistical support. I'm reminded of the Firebase Forward plan from Vietnam days that failed against Houthi-like insurgent infantry having no armor or air cover. Not mentioned is the fact that Iraq long ago declared that it will not allow any attacks against its neighbors to be launched from its territory. Clearly, the resumption of civil unrest in Iraq is related to the growing efforts to eject the Outlaw US Empire.

Meanwhile in the active front within Syria, it's reported that substantial progress has finally occurred in the mountains surrounding Kabanah in Lattakia. Canthama explains:

"[C]ontrolling Kabanah and Jabal Barzah (hill 1147), gives fire control on all NE Lattakia all the way to Jisr al Shughour, it is vital for the SAA to eliminate the most dangerous al Qaeda forces in Syria (TIP), and get the most important foothold in the M4 that will pave the way to liberate Jisr al Shughour, Ariha and Idlib city. It will be a unstoppable domino effect."

This is a very important advance as it sets up the potential for a decisive pincer attack on Idlib from three directions--East, West, and South. Another unmentioned fact is the Turkish offensive has drawn heavily on Idlib-based terrorists and thus weakened their defensive capacity there, which will make the upcoming SAA attack easier and swifter. When is the question. Soon, before the transferred terrorists can be moved back.

The securing of Idlib will free thousands of SAA troops to move East over the newly finished bridges spanning the Euphrates to reclaim the remainder of Syrian territory. Prior to that movement, I expect a no fly zone over that region to be declared by Russia, which will be the cue for the withdrawal of the babysitting Outlaw US Empire forces.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 17:41 utc | 155

Gruff:
"Furthermore, there is a growing consensus in the West that all opinions are created equal and that one's opinion is part of one's identity, so attacking anyone's opinion is seen as an unjustifiable personal attack by many. "

It is too bad that certain posters here do take the tack of insulting others with whom they disagree and attacking them personally with a very unpleasant tone, instead of discussing and challenging their opinions and positions only.

Posted by: Really?? | Oct 25 2019 17:51 utc | 156

Really?? @158--

In my experience, by that time I'm usually already ignoring the posting entity and scroll past the inanities as they generally precede insults. Unfortunately, Gruff does have a point that the source does require rebutting lest lurkers be misled. Even more unfortunate is the fact that some trolls are mandated to remain here no matter the amount of shame heaped upon them while remaining civil enough so they avoid being purged; and as such, continuously rebutting them becomes tiresome and onerous, and the troll becomes part of the landscape, like the same weed that pops up at the same place in your garden year after year even after you think you've removed the entire root. Too bad there isn't a software program called Trolls Away to immunize your blog.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 18:15 utc | 157

Without firing a shot the SAA in the last week has recovered Taqbah airbase, Raqqa, the hydoelectric dams, Kobane, some of Syria's best ag land and about 50% of the northern border with Turkey east of the Euphrates. Turkey has stopped its advance and Trump is urging his SDF proxies to move to the indefensible flat, isolated, empty, arid steppe of NE Syria that will soon be surrounded on 3 sides by the SAA.

How or why some people try to spin this as a defeat or betrayal is mind-boggling.

Posted by: sad canuck | Oct 25 2019 18:51 utc | 158

@ 149
2018 -- Russia Is Taking Over Syria’s Oil And Gas

and recently--
Russia’s largest oil company Rosneft has already completed the switch away from the U.S. dollar to euros in its export contracts to minimize risks from potential new U.S. sanctions, Rosneft’s chief executive Igor Sechin said on Thursday.. .here

So the US would definitely like to keep Syria oil away from Russia.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 25 2019 18:52 utc | 159

From watching the situation in Syria, it's fairly self evident that Putin is attempting a diplomatic approach to ensure several key objectives 1) Syria's existing government remains in control of all Syrian territory. 2) That the Syrian state remains a key Russia ally in the Middle East 3) Turkey is drawn into the Belt & Road initiative and away from the US. 3) US freedom of action (i.e. the ability to arbitrary start wars) in the Middle East is restrained and 4) all of this is accomplished without a direct hot conflict between Russia and the US.

These are some extremely ambitious aims and from a historical perspective these sorts of objectives are long term affairs, not simply resolved in an a couple years. The US for its' part only has militaristic threats and intimidation, There is not a single diplomat in the US that is worthy of the title. I feel that a lot of reader are missing that and are operating under a US style of thinking where issues must be resolved quickly and unconditionally by force or the direct threat of force and that talking to all of the stakeholders to create an negotiated settlement that takes into consideration the stakeholders interests is somehow a failure or betrayal (regardless of moral positions of right or wrong). I urge people who think like that to remember that the US has spent that last 20 years operating under a "with us or against us" and "no negotiations" mentally and see what a complete disaster that has been for America and the World and how they have political destabilized their own country with such an attitude toward other state powers.

Russia, through these negotiations is creating a regional consensus on the ground in Syria and in the wider Middle East that is vastly, vastly superior to the American tyranny of Chaos. The US will of course continue to play the part of the spoilers, but with every agreement between the regional players that the US attempts to torch it will create ill-will and resentment. Especially as the US continues to play games with the internal political stability of the states themselves (remember the US instigated failed coup in Turkey). Ultimately, the US will poison all of it's relations with the Middle Eastern states and will find itself shutout. The invasion of Iraq could not have occurred without the support of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israeli. If a new political reality arises in the Middle East between these three states and the rest of Middle Eastern countries because of Russian diplomacy, then the US will not be able to engage to such reckless warmongering in the future.

Posted by: Kadath | Oct 25 2019 18:53 utc | 160

To Gruff and his message 145

Yes please, let's them bring Tanks!
I have been watching Abrams blow to smittherens by the Houtis in Yemen for a couple of years... with old cable guided missiles (technology of the 70's, old warsaw pact communist guided rockets, 40 years in storage In Yemen-Hell)

Abrams explode so nicely...

Not to mention their problems with motor filters and Air conditioning compresors...

Posted by: Frankie | Oct 25 2019 18:55 utc | 161

I'm new to thread --

I see logistical problems w/US military being able to deploy and support armored battalion and create Deir ez-Zor mini-state and control Syria's oil -- unless it keeps and can use Al-Asad airbase in western Iraq.

Besides needing Al Asad to get heavy armor airlifted in and supplied; DoD has a 'golden hour rule.' This policy requires all combat operations to be conducted with one-trip Blackhawk med-evac flight (out and back) to NATO Role 3 trauma center -- which Al Asad has. Tanks and supplies could be trucked in through Jordan; but no trauma hospital exits in eastern Jordan desert that I know of.

Pro-US Prime Minister Mahdi's government in Iraq is on shaky grounds. Pro-Iranian Sadrist are ready to take over parliament w/Grand Ayatollah Sistani's blessing. (It was the Grand Ayatollah's edict in 2008 that got the U.S. forces kicked out of Iraq in 2011. Obama has nothing to do with it as the neocon's falsely claim.)

"Many expect Sadr's supporters to hit the streets in large numbers on Friday afternoon, after the weekly sermon of Iraq's highest Shiite authority Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani."

"Sistani had set Friday as the deadline for Abdel Mahdi to enact reforms and his noontime statement will be the first signal of how the rest of the highly-anticipated day could develop."

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/2019/10/iraq-protests.html#ixzz63OU5zjRw

If Iraq's government falls and is replaced by Sadrists; the U.S. military will be told to pack up and leave ASAP. Without Al Asad in Anbar Province to operate from, Trump's and the War State's "steal the oil" mission in Syria could come to quick end. (I believe the tank battalion was added to this mission to make it viable.)

Any comments?

Posted by: ronenz49 | Oct 25 2019 19:48 utc | 162

Kadaath @162--

Thanks for your observations! When Rouhani voiced Iran's HOPE peace and collective security plan that was later spelled out by Zarif at the UNGA, an opening was made for the Outlaw US Empire and other nations from outside the region to join the process, a fact few seem to have noticed. At the time I wrote Trump would be a fool not to endorse HOPE and try to make it his own as it would assure his reelection. Of course, he didn't, although he still could as it's totally within the nation's interest.

As I wrote earlier, the Outlaw US Empire suffers from another type of TDS--Top Dog Syndrome--that warps its policies and ability to properly conceive its genuine national interests, which sets itself up for failure at almost every turn as we've seen. IMO, TDS began plaguing the nation well before 911 because of the requirement to lie to the public about the true nature of its foreign policy as WW2 came to a close while tying its hands by ratifying the UN Charter. It was hoped that by creating the CIA the deceitful aspects of policy would remain hidden, but that didn't last very long and was effectively ended with the coups of 1953&4, but there was no Congressional fallout, no calls to impeach Ike or either Dulles brother, etc., despite the fact that they had all violated the UN Charter and US Constitution. Thus, TDS is multigenerational in its depth and scope, and also includes other nations, like the UK, who acted as accomplices and are similar international criminals.

Clearly, TDS is rabid and must be forever put to rest. With numerous nations decoupling themselves from the dollar-based international financial system, the coming economic implosion won't damage the world as much as 2008 despite its more devastating nature. Given the current national misleadership, such an implosion is unlikely to be deterred. Perhaps when it occurs it will provide the spark causing the critical mass to ignite altering the status quo and ending TDS.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 20:12 utc | 163

ronenz49 @164: I am no expert, but that sounds about right. I looks kind of exposed to me. But I think (hope) it is merely a PR exercise. I don't think anybody will try to stop them, if they really want to do it. At least not right away.

Things do look to be getting out of hand in Iraq. That's one reason I think we will have to leave, so agreed there.


Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 25 2019 20:16 utc | 164

ronenz49 164

This sentance in yourlink...
"The powerful Hashed al-Shaabi paramilitary force, whose political branch is the second-largest parliamentary bloc, has also announced its support to the government."

Hashed al-Shaabi, is I think, the main anti US faction in Iraq and it does not appear to be backing the protests, rather it is supporting the government. Although it cannot back up its words, The current Iraq government has been trying to lay down the law in what the US can and cannot do in Iraq. When protests are against the government that, however feeble, has been somewhat anti US, and the main anti US faction in Iraq stands with that government, then it is doubtful a change in government brought on by the protests will cause a problem for the US.


Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 20:44 utc | 165

@107 karlof1.. thanks! more good questions from you.. i can offer answers, but they are fairly subjective in nature which is in keeping with my nature...

@117 j-dogg.. thanks for your reasonable comments and welcome to moa!

@145 william gruff.. always appreciate hearing your viewpoint... thanks..

@150 noirette.. ditto.. thanks!

@152 bg.. i agree.. that deadline is what to watch.. what comes out of that?

@164 ronenz49.. thanks and welcome to moa.. we'll have to see how that works out.. it is another important piece in the puzzle to know how future events will unfold..

Turkey wants US to handover SDF commander that would be Mazloum Abdi, who trump was talking up as a negotiator with turkey and usa! see b's article here for more info on this guy...

Posted by: james | Oct 25 2019 20:47 utc | 166

It is official now that US forces intend to hold the oilfields east of Euphrates. Depending on what occurs in Iraq, the US will hold an area there the same as they have held a patch of territory at Tanf.
Still nothing on a new front line, but US will attempt to intercept the northeast Hasaka to west Syria pipeline with the new frontline somewhere between Hasaka city and Raqqa city.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 20:49 utc | 167

Bianca #95

Thank you for your thoughts. Ocalan may be eclipsed by his adopted son and yet the Kurdish homeland still shimmers like a mirage in the oil fields of Syria.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 25 2019 21:09 utc | 168

Nothing yet on SAA or Russia and military police entering Raqqa city so perhaps it will be included in the US held patch. This would cut the Hasaka pipeline and mean the little oil in the northeastern toe would have to be trucked to west Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 21:27 utc | 169

james #168

Thanks james but I think that is a superficial news item that is just for 'consumption' or can I suggest maintaining the illusion. See my post above at 170 and do read indiapunchline dot com.

I suspect that Turkey will be happy for now to push the Kurds out of the fertile farmlands of what used to be the Ottoman empire's and later Syrian land. Turkey can settle those lands with its jihadis and relocated Syrian refugees and the Kurds can extract and sell oil to Turkey (via Erdoghan's son).

Erdoghan in his imagination gets to harbour his beloved proxy jihadis who he can then direct as he sees fit. I am not convinced that Syria will have much control in this region for some time.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 25 2019 21:34 utc | 170

https://twitter.com/TomtheBasedCat/status/1187718731402809346
@TomtheBasedCat
Security Forces arrested a person carrying a weapon shooting at both protesters and ISF on Sadoun Street / Nasr Square in Baghdad.
6:13 AM - 25 Oct 2019

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 22:20 utc | 171

and this

@TomtheBasedCat
Up to 95 people have been injured so far, 60 of them being security forces under Ministry of Interior.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 22:23 utc | 172

"It is official now that US forces intend to hold the oilfields east of Euphrates..."Peter AU 1@169

And this from 1954: "The government of France has decided to hold its position at Dien Bien Phu.."

Imperialism proposes; God disposes.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 25 2019 23:25 utc | 173

Re Trump and Syria.
It was under the Trump admin the base at Tanf was set up and Syrian forces attacked when they approached too close.
It was under the Trump admin US forces crossed the Euphrates heading for the Raqqa oilfields.
It was under the Trump admin ISIS at the Dier Ezzor oilfields were given SDF hats and Syrian forces attacked for approaching too close.
And it is the Trump admin that is now keeping the Deir Ezzor oilfields.
Trump is riding high on the "it is the deep state keeping Trump from pulling out of Syria"

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 23:26 utc | 174

I love flankerbandit's comment,and Karlof's asking some very to the point questions.
Good Grieved!Gruff's too!

Big progress on the road to reestablishing the Syrian sovereignty has been made.The sigh of relief that b bestowed upon us readers last week will not fade away in the face of this oil-field riddle.

I think it's a pawnjob.Trump gives in to the corporate warparty to keep Lindsay Graham on his side in the impeachment farce.I wonder if King Abdallah of Jordan's fin de non-recevoir to the Pelosi-Graham mission to make His Majesty condemn or at least deplore the trumpian army retreat before the press has even been reported to DJT.Might have changed Graham's ideas.
Saying "Securing the oilfields" was maybe meant to play a double or even triple meaning.So that ISIS won't get it.So that Assad won't get it.So that the Kurds will get it.So that USA will keep it.and ,my take,So that USA don't have to destroy it.If USAAF would have pulled out completely,chances are big they've got some bombs to dispose of ,and some fortunate son is willing and able to drop them on those oil installations setting fire to fields,(must think to take a snap-shot for Reuters). So staying means securing.

With this Trump gives some warrant to Congress Media and MIC of course,but even more to AIPAC and Tell Aviv it means a lot since they have lost quite some influence on him.And it fits his image of greedy businessman and regimechange fiend.The war mongers look forward to some new proxy-mixing and manufacturing.( Hey ,we'll have to place order for 20000 new fancy uniforms,don't bother we'll put a name and a flag later on).
Of course he couldn't care less about what's really happening on the field and all the people's sufferings that he can cause by just moving a thumb.Why should he? He doesn't care neither for all those around him that put him the brakes,evry time he thinks he's coming up with a genius solution.Hey wtf,who is president!?

ZigZag Wanderer Donny goes forward and draws back,tweets decisions and opinions alike,and I think this his move to be some kosher kind of nothingburger.Because as more expert on military point out logistics and the unsustainability there of will make it a lame duck,even when all those orientals with gun keep distance.

Posted by: willie | Oct 25 2019 23:29 utc | 175

Peter AU 1 @171--

SAA have entered and are garrisoning Raqqa. Here's the initial report of their arrival 10 days ago, and I've read other sporadic twitter blurbs related to the city and its province. Also news and video of SAA patrolling the highway between Raqqa and Hasaka. All the focus media-wise is on the Northeast and Idlib, plus Iraq and Lebanon. Should also note the provocations by Zionist allies in Darra timed to coincide with what's happening in Lebanon and Iraq.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 23:34 utc | 176

bevin 175

I have put the position as it stands at the moment. We now have to wait on future moves of all players. Iraq and Turkey will be the main players in moving the US out of eastern Syria. Turkey may well be out of it unless US creates a base there for PKK.
Iraq doesn't look to be in a good position at the moment. Iraq government, however weak has opposed the US. Now protests are coming against that government again with snipers shooting both sides in operation. The only strongly anti US faction in Iraq has sided with the government the protestors are against.
US look to be in a strong position at the moment though it could change quickly.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 23:35 utc | 177

karlof1

Thanks for the link. Raqqa city seems to be a grey area. I just ran a twitter search to see if any video or pics were there of SAA or Russian forces in the city but found nothing. Plenty on the SAA in Raqqa province and towns.
I had read Raqqa military council was opposing SAA entry to Raqqa city.
From what I understand Raqqa military council is an Arab entity set up by the US but somewhat separate from SDF.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 25 2019 23:47 utc | 178

@172 uncle T... well, you would be wrong then.. i read the indian punchline articles before i posted this..

here is what the turkish press is saying on this topic..

US should hand YPG leader over to Ankara: Erdoğan

"YPG/PKK terrorist ringleader Ferhat Abdi Şahin, codenamed Mazloum Kobani, is wanted by Interpol with a red notice, and the U.S. should hand him over to Ankara, Turkey's president said on Oct. 24."

trump hoping that erdogan will negotiate with this guy is similar to many wanting the usa to negotiate or accept assad as syrias legit leader.. miracles can happen though! thanks for your input..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2019 0:10 utc | 179

Something that has not been mentioned in relation to the east Syria developments is the stretching of forces. Shoigu or Lavrov did mention this in the presser.
Russia ans Syria spent a year or so eliminating pockets and shortening frontlines. Once the pockets were eliminated, quite a few SAA had had served for a long period were released from the military.
Now there are suddenly very long front lines again, with SAA required along the Turkish front and more will be required along the US front as that forms.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 26 2019 0:18 utc | 180

"This isn't to say that the US won't park some tanks out in the desert in eastern Syria, but rather that at best it is an empty gesture... Most probable though is that it was just made up to distract and attract clicks for a news cycle. Any sane military commander would fight like hell to keep the troops they are responsible for from ending up in such a ludicrous and farcical situation." William Gruff@145
Very true.

Also true is Noirette's @150 assessment of the economic irrelevance of Syria's insubstantial oil industry. The nonsense that wars are always about oil is simply vulgar marxism endlessly reiterated. I am old enough to recall comrades telling me that the US war in Vietnam was all about immense reserves off-shore in the South China Sea.

What is true is that imperialists find it easier to tell the folks back home, footing the bills, that the object of a war is to steal lots of fungible assets, when the truth is that the assets being stolen are those owned by the taxpayer and are being diverted into the pockets of politicians and the MIC. As to the other motives most of them are sordid bordering on sadistic, such as killing Arab children lest they grow up and fight back.

Finally, and for the hundredth time: it is not only mistaken to regard Israel as the regional hegemon but all of a piece with "Imperialism cannot lose" propaganda.
Israel's position is growing weaker daily as its policy of reducing the region to chaos and bleeding its peoples with constant warfare implodes.
By adopting the fascist Jabotinsky version of zionism-now unchallenged in its political life- it has condemned itself to death as a nation by making it impossible for any of its neighbours to compromise with it.
It is this understanding of Israel's impossible situation which allows Russia to watch, with relative equanimity, as Tel Aviv attempts to subvert its position (as for example in its attacks on Syria) simply in order to appeal to Imperialism's Big Boss in Washington. This policy of Israel's has recently reached ludicrous extremes as in its, entirely gratuitous, attacks on Venezuela, it heavy handed intervention in Brazil and its part in subverting Evo Morales in Bolivia-none of which benefits anyone in Israel except those auditioning to be promoted to influence in Washington.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2019 0:22 utc | 181

@182 peter..lozion had mentioned that and anyone paying attention would be aware of this and be concerned about how that plays out... saa only has so many troops.. spreading them thinner could work in the oppositions favour..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2019 0:32 utc | 182

In 2017 the Kurds, with the help of the US, re-took the Conoco oil fields and refineries, SF soldiers were put in place to provide security while they were rebuilt with US Corp. dollars. (They were bombed while ISIS held them). They were then attacked by hundreds of Russian Mercenaries (Wagner Group) who had made a deal with Assad for oil concessions of their own. Putin looked the other way as we wiped them out, nobody seems sure why they were allowed to attack in the first place. The Conoco fields were discovered and developed by a US company (Phillips)decades ago. The Kurds will eventually make a deal with Assad in regards to these fields, the US companies will continue to invest in the fields as well and it's going to take a huge investment to get them back to full production. Syria needs the investment and security will come from the US for the time being but eventually security will be turned over to Assad. Conoco/Phillips will continue to run the fields like they did before the civil war was started.


Blatant imperialism in broad daylight with our troops being used as extremely expensive security guards, that's all this is. Congress should be bitching about that instead of bitching about the Kurds.

Posted by: Brad Smith | Oct 26 2019 2:48 utc | 183

brad smith @ 85

Re: "They were then attacked by hundreds of Russian Mercenaries (Wagner Group) who had made a deal with Assad for oil concessions of their own. Putin looked the other way as we wiped them out, nobody seems sure why they were allowed to attack in the first place."

This story comes around again and again. Maybe it was BS who ran the last iteration here on MOA. In any case, here's the German investigation of this allegation:


The Truth About the Russian Deaths in Syria

3-2-18

Hundreds of Russian soldiers are alleged to have died in U.S. airstrikes at the beginning of February. Reporting by DER SPIEGEL shows that events were likely very different.

A team of DER SPIEGEL journalists spent two weeks interviewing both witnesses to, and participants in, the battle. The team also spoke to a staff member at the only hospital in Deir ez-Zor as well as an employee of the local military airport in an attempt to get a clear picture of exactly what took place during the three-day battle.

The accounts largely corroborate each other and the image of events that emerges is one that contradicts what has been reported in the Russian and international media.

. . .


Among those stationed in Tabiya was a small contingent of Russian mercenaries. But the two militia sources said they did not participate in the fighting. Still, they said, 10 to 20 of them did in fact lose their lives. They said a total of more than 200 of the attackers died, including around 80 Syrian soldiers with the 4th Division, around 100 Iraqis and Afghans and around 70 tribal fighters, mostly with the al-Baqir militia.

. . .

The situation on the ground between Khusham and Tabiya on the eastern bank of the Euphrates, described by a half dozen witnesses and people who were party to the events, does not confirm Russian mercenary participation in the attack or even that they joined the fighting at all. Ahmad Ramadan, the journalist who founded the Euphrates Post and has since emigrated to Turkey, comes from Tabiya. One of his contacts fights for the al-Baqir militia and took the video at the site of the bombings. "If it had been a Russian attack, with many Russian dead, we would have reported about it," he said. "But it wasn't. The Russians in Tabiya just had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time."

Posted by: pogohere | Oct 26 2019 3:47 utc | 184

US armor to Syria? Well, clearly that idea didn't come from the military, since they are acutely aware that there must be more TOWs per square kilometer in Syria than anywhere else on earth. What makes this even more dangerous to the US is that there is no group in that part of the world who doesn't have US-made TOWS, so anyone (including the SAA) can pop off a couple of TOWs here and there without worrying about attribution. Armor without troops just makes for juicer, more expensive targets.

I am cautious about attributing more complex thought to DJT than he's probably due, but this is so blatantly stupid it makes you wonder if Trump didn't decide (as he seems to often do) to give his enemies exactly what they ask for--more war--just to prove them the dangerous fools they are. Sadly the "lessons" will be borne by young American servicemen.

Posted by: J Swift | Oct 26 2019 4:06 utc | 185

I have an idea of something to discuss, Grieved @ 87. We might consider how foolish is this obsession with the importance of oil, and that it ought to be a selling point for alternative energy systems that in no way can the sun's power be monopolized since it shines on all and can be so used freely without affecting another's ability - rather than sequestered by a small number of folk wishing to wall off the sun from all others and to wage war on any who would be so selfish as to try to use the sun's power for themselves. That would be a foolish claim since using said power doesn't detract from another's ability to use it as well.

So just as it is win-win for Russia to have developed such substantially superior weapons of self protection, so when solar power and its adjuncts become our energy matrix (I propose that is only awaiting a cheap and readily available to all manner of delivery) when that glorious day comes - who cares about oil fields whereever they be and how big or small they are? Like the whales plundered for their oil, the earth and its inward parts will be allowed to go back to its own being, and we shall rise to better ambitions, absent war.

Thanks be to God we have mindful scientists who can be requisitioned from the pursuits of better robots and driverless cars so as to focus on our need for sustainable cheap energy obtainable by all nations. I have faith; I know they can do it!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2019 4:28 utc | 186

J Swift

Will be interesting to see how US military spec armor or bolt on composite and live defences go. The US military tanks have extra layers of protection that the export models to the Saudi's and Iraq don't have. Though mechanized may not mean tanks.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 26 2019 5:08 utc | 187

Brad Smith
". The Kurds will eventually make a deal with Assad in regards to these fields, the US companies will continue to invest in the fields as well and it's going to take a huge investment to get them back to full production. Syria needs the investment and security will come from the US for the time being but eventually security will be turned over to Assad. Conoco/Phillips will continue to run the fields like they did before the civil war was started"

You have a bad case of US exceptionalism.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 26 2019 6:23 utc | 188

#78 karlof1 I liked his one main question--Why?--for which no honest answer has ever been officially provided. Seven countries, Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Iran.

Why? Do they need a reason? It has become second nature it seems. There is the "Ledeen Doctrine" but that is ruled out for the if you give the average of ten years or so to keep the rabble in line.
"Ledeen Doctrine" in a 2002 column. This tongue-in-cheek "doctrine" is usually summarized as "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,"

Then there is the issue of natural resources, "Texas tea" being the most prominent. Who controls the oil can control those who need it. Controlling Iran, Iraq, Libya can keep those countries importing oil, China, Japan and the EU in line. Countries such as Sudan, Lebanon, Syria and Somalia are minor oil producing nations but with potential significant reserves. Somalia border on the Gulf of Aden and could be used to control access to the Red Sea but Djibouti seems to be the preferred country for foreign military bases, with the French, US, China, Japan and Italy having bases there. Maybe Somalia was a target because of the deaths of US service personal in the 90's. By leaving out Venezuela off the list makes one wonder why, if it was for oil only.

Perhaps the "Exceptional nation" saw an opportunity to take out neutral nonaligned countries and old soviet client states before Russia or China could do something. This was the first steps before NATO pushed war right up to the border of Russia in Ukraine and Georgia.

It looks like to me that neocolonialism is the root of why it was these seven countries. Destroying Libya was to keep Africa tied to the old colonial masters plus the US. The playbook seems to get your bastard running the country so the elite can loot it for the west. China and Russia need not apply, at least with the way the west does it. Russia and China approach is win win, not zero sum. The economic refugees fleeing to the west were a bonus to keep wages low and the eyes of citizens of the west away from the real reason why the third world wants to come to their world, our governments and multinationals are destroying their countries. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran are enemies of the colonists occupying Palestine. They need to be destroyed so the Zionists can enjoy some Lebensraum of their own. Who gains the most? The neocons and the Zionists. To keep the financial racket going a few more years means the continued raping of countries by the west, or not. Hopefully Yemen's ability to tilt the playing field in their favour will put an end to this pillage. I'm sure I missed a few other possibilities of WHY?

Posted by: Tom | Oct 26 2019 7:29 utc | 189

Looks like the US military was looting the oil soon as it moved into Syria.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910261077154752-russian-military-releases-satellite-images-confirming-us-smuggling-of-syrian-oil/
"MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian Defense Ministry published satellite intelligence images proving that oil from Syria was sent abroad under the guard of US servicemen before and after the defeat of the Daesh terrorists, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Saturday."

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 26 2019 9:00 utc | 190

US base at Ash Shaddadi
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@36.0468372,40.725234,510m/data=!3m1!1e3

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 26 2019 9:14 utc | 191

I made a stupid error in my comment 177,supposing Lindsay Graham was part of a mission to King Abdallah of Jordan;.Of course I confounded with Adam Schiff,my excuses.I admit this was due to my not verifiyng sources,and in no way I want to spread false information.This has happened before,and I think I better shut up for a while.I'll be seeing you.

Posted by: willie | Oct 26 2019 11:01 utc | 192

@ Pogo...re 'Russian mercenaries'...

Thanks for jumping on that...we're interested in facts here, not fiction...

The entire tale of that incident at the oil fields has established a fake narrative which has long been debunked by that excellent Spiegel on-the-ground investigation...

Now the fable pops up here...peppered also with wishcasting about US companies 'investing' in those Syrian oil fields...

which will be kind of hard to do considering that Syria is under heavy US sanctions...not to mention that the SAG has already inked agreements with Russian oil and gas giants Gazprom and Rosneft...

Peter gave the best reply to this 'comment'...

You have a bad case of US exceptionalism.

Posted by: flankerbandit | Oct 26 2019 12:47 utc | 193

Peter...one point I wanted to make about back channels between the US and Russia...

The contacts have been ongoing and extensive between the two militaries....ie the general staff officers...even as the political and diplomatic contacts have been weak...

There has been quite a bit of coordination, for instance in the case of that show-style cruise missile barrage last year after the fake news mania about the supposed 'chemical attack' in Douma...

We need to remember that the military, even in the US, is generally run by professional and competent people...they are not going to do very stupid things that do not make sense from a professional point of view...

Politicians know as much about the professional aspects of military operations as they do about quantum mechanics...

Esper is one of those 'perfumed princes' that the late Col Hackworth so aptly derided...

I know his type...he is a pinhead and brownnoser who never did anything of note while serving [his resume is padded with fluff]...only then to move on to cushy VP job at Raytheon [read lobbyist for the parasites that skim the taxpayer money from obscenely overpriced weapons procurement]...

His statements don't mean diddly to the men in uniform...including his nonsense about this whole oil patch business...

Gruff made a very good point that the military people actually tasked with such a nonstarter will be difficult to convince to go along with such a scheme...

At the same time, the same military men will be hearing from their Russian colleagues [with whom they continue to communicate quite closely and actually depend on to keep a kind of working order in theater] that they will not be pleased with this...

Meaning they will be on their own, floating in that basically inaccessible little pocket with their silly tanks, if the insane asylum actually pushes through such a farce.

Posted by: flankerbandit | Oct 26 2019 13:08 utc | 194

Now report from Southfront and video [from RT] of US vehicle columns moving into Syria [apparently at the al Walid border crossing with Iraq, which is held by the US as part of the Al Tanf zone]...

The story is that they are going to go to the oil patch in Deir Ezzor...HOW...?

They would need to cross through considerable SAA territory to get there from al Tanf...

This further confirms my gut feeling that this oil patch talk is simply smoke and mirrors...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Oct 26 2019 13:54 utc | 195

Trump's latest flipflop in Syria demonstrates clearly that his only interest is in reelection, and thus media presentation of his actions and how that is precieved to affect his support among his constituents (including political support from key members of his party and donors). Giving Turkey an opening likely seemed helpful to his business sense, and the bipartisan pushback resulted in a recalculation requiring an acceptable cover story. Oil serves that. As for his geopolitical (non)sense, it's all about the money mixed with a measuse of naive vindictiveness, and not wishing to be seen to taken advantage of. He has considerable skill as a manipulator of the media, but is subject to manipulation himself because of his narcissism and his lack of knowledge about world affairs.

Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 26 2019 15:57 utc | 196

By leaving out Venezuela off the list makes one wonder why, if it was for oil only.

@Posted by: Tom | Oct 26 2019 7:29 utc | 191

Not only...also for water...and whatever resources remain over there ungrabbed....

Climate apocalypse is coming – says US Army, eyeing opportunities for more intervention...on a report authored amongst others by current JCOS, Mark Milley....

Also consider....it is not only business what has been about at Sochi´s Russia-Africa Summit, but also mediation activities by Russia to try to distend ongoing conflicts..

Today, within the framework of the summit in Sochi, the meeting between Egypt and Ethiopia on the Great Dam of the Renaissance took place. The immediate resumption of the work of the technical committee that solves the most controversial points has been agreed.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1187383260835471360


And, all of a sudden, a new violent "seccesionist movement" surges in Oromia ( Ethiopia )...

Yesterday, several protests against the government began in the capital of Ethiopia and in the Oromia region demanding greater autonomy in the management of the region's resources

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1187431598431657984

The risk of first war on water

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 26 2019 16:07 utc | 197

@ 192
more on US oil smuggling
from Tass, Oct 26
US smuggles Syrian oil to other countries - Russian Defense Ministry

MOSCOW, October 26. /TASS/. The United States smuggles Syrian oil to other countries, the convoys are guarded by US private military companies and special operations forces, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Igor Konashenkov said.

"Tank trucks guarded by US military servicemen and private military companies smuggle oil from fields in eastern Syria to other countries. In the event of any attack on such a convoy, US special operations forces and combat aviation are immediately used to protect it," Konashenkov stressed.

Konashenkov noted that the contract for transporting oil was executed by the US-controlled company Sadcub created at the so-called autonomous administration of eastern Syria. "Revenues from smuggling Syrian oil arrive at numbered bank accounts of US private military companies and intelligence services through brokerage firms that interact with it," he said.

According to the Defense Ministry, given that the cost of one barrel of oil smuggled from Syria is $38, the monthly revenue of that "private business" exceeds $30 mln.

"To secure such a continuous financial flow free from control and taxes, the top officials at the Pentagon and Langley will be willing to guard and protect oil wells in Syria from the imaginary ‘hidden cells of the Islamic State’ (IS, terror group, outlawed in Russia) indefinitely," Konashenkov added. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 26 2019 16:14 utc | 198


"The U.S. military has begun bolstering its troop numbers in a part of eastern Syria where President Donald Trump has said he wants to protect oil fields, U.S. defense officials said Saturday.

The U.S. troops began arriving in Deir al-Zour province in a convoy from northern Iraq. The defense officials, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue, said the forces will reinforce American troops in coordination with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, who have teamed with the Pentagon on operations against the Islamic State for years."

https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/us-military-begins-bolstering-troop-numbers-in-syrian-oil-field-region-defense-officials-say-1.604797

Posted by: dh | Oct 26 2019 17:31 utc | 199

American vehicles on the M4 way East of Qamishli city, it seems US are sending back to Syria to protect the oil fields with #SDF.

https://twitter.com/baderkhanahmad/status/1188056365782261763

Posted by: Sasha | Oct 26 2019 18:31 utc | 200

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