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October 25, 2019

Russiagate Probe Has Some Ambiguous News

Here is a news wording that I, as a non-native English speaker, can easily understand.

Justice Dept. Is Said to Open Criminal Inquiry Into Its Own Russia Investigation

Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to convene a grand jury and to file criminal charges.

In contrast these formulations in Bezos' blog on the very same issue are confusing me.

Justice Dept. investigation of Russia probe is criminal in nature, person familiar with case says

The federal prosecutor tapped by Attorney General William P. Barr to examine the origins of the FBI’s probe of President Trump’s 2016 campaign is conducting an investigation officials consider criminal in nature, according to a person familiar with the matter.
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The significance of officials deeming Durham’s probe “criminal” is difficult to determine by itself.
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It was not immediately clear whether officials’ consideration of his work as criminal represented a shift in the seriousness of his investigation or whether a grand jury had been convened.

Durham's work is considered as criminal? The investigation itself has committed a crime? The attorney is a criminal?

One wonders if this choice of phrasing was intended to be ambiguous.

Anyway.

I for one will cheer when Durham puts handcuffs on John Brennan.

Posted by b on October 25, 2019 at 12:09 UTC | Permalink

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"Russiagate was sane and rational?" --lysias @103

To the insane and irrational the Russiagate conspiracy theory is alive and well despite Saint Mueller himself spiking it. That the known troll you are responding to is insane and irrational does not contradict its being a National Democratic Institute or Correct the Record narrative control worker. On the contrary, its unhinged nonsense and its insistence upon spouting that nonsense here reinforces the certainty of that troll's identity.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2019 15:21 utc | 101

My thought about Barr holding fire on Epstein is that he may have known that was a red herring, false flag, or whatever you want to call it. That whole Epstein affair sounded like a juicy distraction to me, in the manner of "if it bleeds it leads". When someone actually dies who is the center of contraversial activity, you may be sure, unfortunately, that someone, he or another, is getting close to truths that ought not see the light of day. Somewhat in the nature of the baiting of Putin as Ukraine was beginning its time of troubles. The old revolutionary dictum "Hold your fire until you see the whites of their eyes" may have been in Barr's mind at the time of Epstein's demise.

Certainly such investigations as the one he is involved in take much time to sort out the who-what-where in terms sufficiently damaging to become a credible enterprise. We have seen such attempts fail in the past. I hope he takes his time and gets all his ducks in a row before the hammer falls as fall it must. It is so vital to this country that this attempt succeed; for if it fails only the shambles of Kiev style fisticuffs in Congress can be the result. Not pretty.

In b's post we are reminded of the power of the press to misinform. I would suggest we badly need divestiture of our media from the huge corporations now more wealthy than some countries. The latter are too powerful in this country now, and they do need to be whittled down to size. We not only need fact finders, we need eloquent voices to present those facts to the public. We need free speech!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 26 2019 15:24 utc | 102

Petri Krohn @ 86 - Thank you for the trove of links.

Posted by: spudski | Oct 26 2019 15:59 utc | 103

First there is this:
"..the true conspiracy involves Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, et al as a mask covering the ongoing rape of the 99% by the 1% worldwide.."

And then there is this:

"The orange snow jobber has no clothes. In this instance, the federal bureaucracy opposing him should be viewed as a sane, rational reaction to Trump's every attempt to shred the Constitution and set up similarly authoritarian pseudo democracy as his buddy Vlad."

These paragraphs clearly contradict each other.
But never mind: what is particularly interesting are the ideas that the Deep State is to be applauded for its defence of the hallowed Constitution and that there is a significant difference between "democracy" in the US and Russia. Both ideas tending to deepen the contradiction with the first "its all kabuki" assertion.

The problem here is not that the commenter is working for dirty money but that s/he isn't thinking before posting. Instead, caught up in the momentum, out comes conventional MSM wisdom: 'the Constitution of the US is being defended by the CIA and Democrats'
'Russia is distinctly authoritarian' (wasn't it always, in western propaganda?)
'Trump's pal is Vlad" (it is almost embarrassing to repeat such drivel).
donleytale@102 also takes time to remind us that the 'failure' to see that the 99% (class) are being exploited by the 1% (class) is characteristic of "so-called class conscious thinkers.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2019 16:14 utc | 104

@76 oglalla.. i would like to 2nd your comment.. thanks..

@ 86 petri.. thanks... hopefully it will be of some use for those seeking an alternative viewpoint on russiagate..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2019 16:23 utc | 105

State of Saudi Arabia, not a few citizens, funded ISIS, paid USA to engage Syria in war

Important facts developed in video suggest barflies analyze it..

Posted by: snake | Oct 26 2019 17:08 utc | 106

Political leanings notwithstanding, Larry Johnson actually tops yesterday's blockbuster post with one today, to the effect that word is emerging that Brennan formed a Trump Task force at the CIA in 2016.

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/10/john-brennans-secret-cia-trump-task-force-by-larry-c-johnson.html


Posted by: Paul Damascene | Oct 26 2019 17:10 utc | 107

Juliania...about Barr...

He is a deep state creature...his father Donald Barr was an OSS guy and original CIA [which morphed from the wartime OSS]...

Barr senior was also Epstein's mentor and got him his start at the deeply establishment Dalton School [and probably Epstein's handler as an asset or 'agent' as they are called]...

So things go a bit deeper than the surface when it comes to Barr junior...and what he is doing here...

There is a probably valid school of thought that the deep establishment has a faction that is pro-Trump and behind the general idea of disengaging from wasteful overseas adventures, since it is becoming clear that this is a ruinous path that the US cannot really afford anymore...

I would also agree with the theory that says that these two 'deep' factions ['nationalist' vs 'globalist'] are at war...with the 'DNC-Hillary-MSM-interventionist faction' possibly on the decline, but still powerful enough to blow up a lot of the plans that Trump and his deep backers would like to get done...

Epstein is a whole 'nuther can of worms here and I would not be surprised if he was not actually dead...Trump himself is deeply entangled with many of the prime players in the Epstein web...it all depends if he is more useful alive than dead...

Btw...pulling off a deception like a fake death is kindergarten level for these kinds of operators and the unlimited resources they possess to shape so-called 'reality' as brought to us on our little screens...

So really I find it kind of silly that the right wingers are looking at Barr as some kind of White Knight...there really are none of those in these circles...as much as the sheeple would like to believe that...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Oct 26 2019 17:12 utc | 108

karlof1 | Oct 25 2019 22:15 utc | 54

re: source of "God has an infinite sense of humor"...

Was told that in 1994[?] conversation w Jerry, a fellow worker, abt the baffling condition of Mankind. Never heard it before or since. At the time it was one of most incisive and impinging viewpoints; it still is.

It was said to me dryly, not coy and no smile, almost plaintively as tho it would be ignored and pass thru unrecognized. I never met a more rational or sharper mind.

Once, I remarked I was looking for an obscure book that was mentioned in another book, as "1 of the 3 best autobios ever written in English" by someone I never heard of. J:"Who and what?" Me:"Kropotkin and Revolutionist".
J:"Oh, sure! I think my wife still has a copy" and he brought it in next day.[An awesome read, too!]

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 26 2019 19:08 utc | 109

chu the @112--

Thanks for your reply! I was also thinking that perhaps it was a cynical observation made by a stoic son of a Baptist or Methodist Minister, like the retort in M*A*S*H about how someone like that (Hawkeye, IIRC) got into the Army--"He got drafted," which caused the audience to erupt in laughter (definitely a context-dependent joke).

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2019 19:56 utc | 110

flankerbandit 111
"There is a probably valid school of thought that the deep establishment has a faction that is pro-Trump and behind the general idea of disengaging from wasteful overseas adventures, since it is becoming clear that this is a ruinous path that the US cannot really afford anymore..."

I think this what is occuring. And when Trump says swamp, I think it is the section of the swamp that this faction believe set the US on a ruinous path.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 26 2019 20:43 utc | 111

chu teh @44 & 112

God is a comedian whose audience refuses to laugh.

Posted by: pogohere | Oct 26 2019 20:46 utc | 112

Bemildred #66

Good post my friend, no wonder the demoncrazies went berserk over Trump dipping in to their honeypot. I could never definitively find a reason for those spectacular ammunition storage bonfires in Ukraine. I figured it was either to disable their sale or cover up theft.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2019 20:52 utc | 113

W. Gruff, thanks for the process insight.
I was long-aware the removal of the Smith-Mundt Act was loaded into the 2012 NDAA. No attempt on Trump's watch has been made to bring a needed, modern form of it back. I didn't vote for Trump, and until the damn looney media is reeled back into factual, in-context reporting, it will remain obvious Trump is only expanding a variety of nefarious things on the absence of legislation such as the S-M Act.

Posted by: ERing46Z | Oct 26 2019 22:55 utc | 114

flankerbandit says:

So really I find it kind of silly that the right wingers are looking at Barr as some kind of White Knight...there really are none of those in these circles...as much as the sheeple would like to believe that...

i think this point needs to be reiterated. no, there are no white knights in these circles. how could there be?

the only white knights out there are YOU. that is, if you actually are one.

Posted by: john | Oct 27 2019 11:06 utc | 115

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