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October 31, 2019

Open Thread 2019-63

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The US political system has degenerated into a grotesque puppet show...a pantomime starring puppet politicians, produced by the the 0.1% and scripted by the MSM; it is utterly closed to the needs of ordinary people, nothing more nor less than a kleptocratic oligarchy...

https://richardhennerley.com/2019/10/27/a-government-of-the-millionaires-by-the-millionaires-for-the-millionaires/

Posted by: Richard | Nov 1 2019 7:27 utc | 101

I noticed a coupla people mentioned the concentration of zionists in the printed, video and audio media game. I say zionist quite deliberately because the biggest player in those industries sure as hell isn't a four by two, but he is a staunch zionist. I refer of course to the seemingly cryogenic body parts equipped Rupert Murdoch. a slug whose holdings in print media papers & books books, plus vid media including hollywood movies as well as TV, also owns a fair swag of the recording industry.

Anyway I mentioned this because even tho I despise both publications, I tend to check out the NYT when I'm interested in a movie and the Grauniad when checking out a new album.

Today I read an an absurd article in the Graun on Van Morrison's new album "Three Chords and the Truth" (yeah I know, cliched title). The article was absurd because it kicked off by whining in true pommie style about the fact that

"In an unorthodox move, two members of his management team remain in the room, sitting awkwardly on the bed and making occasional interjections. It is a peculiar setting for a conversation."
I agreed there for a moment until I got towards the end of the piece and it became apparent that the journo was a youngish woman. I dunno if it was Van or the record company which insisted on the presence of a pair of chaperones but if this journo truly does believe Van to be "my favourite songwriter in the world", she cannot be unaware of the libellous tales the englander gutter press has written about Van.

If only her ignorance was that small. Altho the journo claims to be a fan who listened to the new album before the 'interview' the questions asked were nonsense ones about what it (the albun) was all about. Then she got upset because in true Van fashion at this impertinance he just grunted at her.
The man bares his soul in his songs but stupid, literalist reporters expect him to repeat that intimate exercise in public, for 3 complete strangers?

I mention all this because I was sufficiently appalled by the piece to consider buying the damn album. However I couldn't reconcile my wish to recompense Van Morrison for this nonsense to a simple truth about the music biz, that whatever pittance Van got from my purchase. apartheid israel would probably get a much bigger share. So I torrented a flac of the album It is certainly something I would like to purchase, as it is great, however who am I to put some instant but shortlived gain to my personage ahead of supporting the oppression and torture of Palestinian children. No, it isn't Van's fault, but unfortunately for him he is in an industry which has no shame over its support of apartheid israel.

Right now the monopolization of worthless secondary industries by zionists (finance is definitely a secondary industry - thus far the robust primary industries specifically energy, resources and food, have been kept in the hands of god awful wasps, so as much as we despise that clan of ethically challenged sleazebags, eating or driving yer car doesn't kill Palestinian kids quite yet. Other children yes.

Imagine the current ethical quandary Hollywood finds itself in most exquisitely described here by the mixed response from fellow entertainment industry bottom of the ladder grafters, to one comedienne's reaction to the discovery of Harvey Weinstein in the audience.

The reality is that since 'Me Too" there have been SFA decent watchable mid budget movies made in Hollywood. Have you seen a half-way decent drama in the last 18 months? I haven't. Weinsteins are creeps of the first order, but they did know how to produce good movies.

Yet take out fall-guy Kevin Spacey who got outed for behaving as most boomer generation gay men were expected to, and all the rest of the hollywood heavy hitters caught in "Me Too" were jews. Not because there is a prevalence of sexual sadism among Jews, but because too many successful Jews have had their heads filled with nonsense about being part of a 'special people' - people for whom the normal rules of decent behaviour do not apply unless of course they are with a 'good jewish girl' who they can humiliate with infidelity once married, but never hurt -HAH!

Some may be foolish enough to believe that this is a particularly jew thing but it is not - a percentage of all 1st generation migrants from anywhere will convince themselves of their superiority to their host culture, but there are some others which go beyond that. Parsi & Sikh in India are prone to this, as can be some Romany people who have always lived outside their host country's law, mostly harmlessly, but some do really terrible things to other, more marginalised people. eg I'm pretty sure the gang of exploiters who carelessly left 39 Vietnamese migrants to die in a refrigerated trailer in england last week are tinkers.

Shitting on all members of these groups will do nothing, but those societies that do welcome immigrants from cultures other than their own must develop methods for ensuring all immigrants respect and understand that host culture. A good first start would be insisting that no new arrivals are exploited by anyone.

Posted by: A User | Nov 1 2019 7:35 utc | 102

The Syrian oilpatch affair, while it may be resolved by several possible pathways (some less violent than others), is concerned with terrain described above as open and empty with no cover 'cept sandstorms.

Seems to my naive mind liable to constant assault via cheap model airplanes (aka "drone") with "bangers" - and so also applies, I expect to any transit to of from said oilpatch.

Cheap-o model airplanes can't make disciplined soldiers disappear, but they can turn circumstances from advantageous to otherwise.

In 'Nam the US Army mutinied - and this became more or less normal. Fragging, dope, black-markets and theft...the entire spectrum from a bullet in the back to the unspeakable...

Steinbeck, writing grey propaganda for OSS, wrote "The Moon is Down".

There we find that the occupying army (engaged in stealing coal with slave labor) discovers that they are actually the "flies who have conquered the fly-paper".

They realized this real circumstance because they we subject to constant small attacks, which escalated over time, and which were supported by clandestine outside agency and supply (dynamite, small arms, etc)

It's a good short novel. But the point here is that the oilpatch in Syria is flypaper. Those fellas are National Guard, and they will go home to small town Murka...and undermine respect and willingness both in the military and civilians...

Secondary delayed after-effects are the worst part of the fly-paper routine.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 8:17 utc | 103

@ Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 4:02 utc | 92 (in re Epstein)

I have known and do now know several people who have worked at US prisons. Some were guards, others technical people civil servant - plumbers, carpenters, electricians. They all agree with the idea that the corpse was/is a ringer and Jeff was "sprung outta da joint". That's their first reaction and also they do not change their minds later. My old friends include guys who did hard time too, and they also opine that the dude was sprung.

And yes, discussion of suicide v murder leads in circles...and distracts from the fairly obvious caper. A caper that would be limited to those who had the power to do it as well as a reason...

Geewhiz, I can't imagine who that'd be.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 8:31 utc | 104

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-50240012/maids-for-sale-how-silicon-valley-enables-online-slave-markets

"they take down the accounts" ? that's the new way to apply law? no legal cases?

Posted by: Mina | Nov 1 2019 9:12 utc | 105

Interesting take of Bhadrakumar
https://twitter.com/BhadraPunchline/status/1190113944968392705

Posted by: Mina | Nov 1 2019 9:43 utc | 106

@all

I just deleted a number of comments under various names that some sockpuppeteer mass dropped here under various names including "A reader".

Some references to those comments were also deleted.

Note: Stick to ONE username when commenting at this site.

Posted by: b | Nov 1 2019 11:19 utc | 107

Debunking Quim Torra, president of Catalan Generalitat and current leader of independence procés....

Letter from a Palestinian to Torra

It is not coherent to proclaim oneself outraged and peaceful people and to point out as a State of reference to Israel...

Mr. President, Quim Torra: I read your statements to an Israeli TV expressing your admiration for how the State of Israel was created: "The desire to be of the people of Israel is always on my mind," you said. Your valuations are not new, in the line of your predecessors Jordi Pujol, Carles Puigdemont and Artur Mas and of some other prominent names of Catalan nationalism of the right and of the more childish sector of ERC. Curiously, these feelings coincide with those of opposite parties and personalities: the PP of Aznar and Casado, Ciudadanos, Vox and Jiménez Losantos.

Mr. Torra, you will probably want to know who I am to address you. I am the son of 80% of the Palestinians who in 1948 were expelled and turned overnight scattered refugees around the world, thanks to, according to you, the wonderful way the Israelis used to create their State in Palestine. This State caused that today there are five million Palestinian refugees scattered throughout the world and many others under the yoke of occupation and the Israeli military blockade.

Lack of knowledge.

Mr. President, I have been living in Barcelona for 50 years. When I arrived I became a member of the Ateneu Barcelonès and I still am. Between books and social gatherings I loved history, culture and the Catalan question. I, like most Palestinians, immediately and impulsively empathize with the peoples or nations that feel mistreated. I was surprised at the ignorance and sympathy expressed by many of my right-wing and left-wing nationalist conferees towards the Israeli State that once sold its arguments well: they are the only democracy in the area, they were allies of the West to curb the barbarism of orientals ...

Gradually and thanks, in large part, to the inhuman practices of the Israeli State, the vast majority of Catalan society, except power, has turned its back on Israel. It is not coherent to proclaim oneself an outraged and peaceful people and to indicate as a State of reference to Israel, that it passes through the lining of international laws and systematically commits indiscriminate bombing, ethnic cleansing, confiscation of Palestinian lands, construction of colonies in occupied territories, arbitrary detentions and without judgments, destruction of thousands of olive trees, segregation and apartheid.

Days ago I was looking in a bar at the images of the peaceful demonstrations that the confined people of Gaza star in every Friday. In a year, the Israeli Army has caused hundreds of deaths and thousands of wounded among protesters while there was no Israeli wounded. In the same bar a man (who was told to sympathize with Vox) commented: "This is the way, the police must copy the Israelis and crush the Catalan separatists". Mr. ‘president’: is it still in your mind to create the Catalan republic in the likeness of the State of Israel? I have no doubt that your answer is yes, since there is something that you seem to share with the Israelis and the people of Vox: ethnicity.

As illustration...

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1189613855502196738

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 12:14 utc | 109

For those still arguing here about the "genuine" protesters in Iraq....

The guys in skinny jeans and bermudas offering $100 to citizens passing to try to get more people to second the violent protests...Real Iraqis...even when poor hardworking...refuse!

https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1190231110468407296

Btw...Nasrallah is due to speak ant 15:30 ( Beirut time ), just in less than an hour....Stay tunned

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 12:43 utc | 110

For those confused by Trump's behavior, try viewing everything he does through the lens of reverse psychology. First start with his candidacy in the election, which was a reverse psychology effort to get his buddies the Clintons returned to the throne. Trump is fully aware that the character he played in his TV shows was repulsive to "right-thinking" people and played that persona up to the max on the campaign trail.

Trump wants to get the US troops out of Syria? So he claims that the Russians and Chinese want them to stay.

The "deep state"/establishment wants Syria's oil, but wants to keep that secret and have the public think that America is there for humanitarian murder? He comes out and bluntly states that America is there for the oil, ripping the masque off. If this isn't enough to get the US out then Trump will bluntly brag about stealing the oil and pocketing the profits.

The "deep state"/establishment wants to demolish North Korea, but sanitize what they are doing by talking about "bloodying their nose", as if the US is just going to take a glove off and slap the Koreans with it, then Trump comes out and reveals the truth hiding behind the bullshit by tweeting that the US will utterly destroy North Korea.

Just remember that Trump is an actor playing a role that wasn't supposed to win the election. He's not very good at it, but he doesn't have to be since the audience is brain damaged from excessive laundering of their minds.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2019 12:44 utc | 111

Here preparing the envelops with the bribes..take for sure the same "organization" could be filmed in Hong Kong and Beirut...Also notice the "style" of these minions...totally in strident contrast with the usual way in Arab countries...with all that clothes glued to the body...as if they were living abroad...not in hot Middle East....

https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1190230576281849856

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 12:48 utc | 112

This should make B's day (certainly gave me some sense that some things still work):
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/28000-american-flight-attendants-refuse-work-boeing-737-max-planes

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2019 13:00 utc | 113

Chemical Weapons propaganda used against Syria?
Jonathan Steele( BBC) at OPCW 2nd whistleblower debrief [<=picked up the samples} <= said no chlorine derivative evidence found in Douma to collaborate 2 canisters/ 43 deaths British, French USA) BFUSA claims. plus neither ballistics nor scientist find support that govt in Syria used gas.

Posted by: snake | Nov 1 2019 13:00 utc | 114

I imagine Boing will come to favor military work - no one complains about cost or safety in that market.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2019 13:05 utc | 115

@ jared re 737 MAX...

Those flight attendants from AA will likely be joined by other unions...and this is going to have a strong effect on the flying public...

It looks like the MAX is going to be cleared to fly again in the coming months, but we may see a consumer backlash where they simply refuse to fly on that airplane...

It has happened before in the car industry for example...in the end people do have a choice...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 1 2019 13:17 utc | 116


You don't understand

Posted by: A USER | Nov 1 2019 13:24 utc | 117

About the unpredictability of the revolts, once the anger of the masses is provoked and unleashed ... and how, the ethnicist nationalists, such as those in the Ukraine, Catalonia, Israel ...or the US... end always up destroying each other when events do not turn as they wish ...

Seyyed Nasrallah, in his "unmatchable wisdom", announced it long time ago in one of his famous speeches, when talking about takfiries invading Syria and trying to do the same in Lebanon, that "extermists end always fighting each other"....

I hope you do not lose the fine irony in translation of this unpayable take by Enric Juliana on the turn of events of the already out of control ( from the initial organizers..)of Catalonian independence procés´s revolts...

V of Vendetta

We have left October without British cataclysm. We will not attend a supply crisis in the United Kingdom. There are vegetables in London. There is leftover tea for all five in the afternoon of next year. There is no wild Brexit. The British will vote again on December 12 and then we'll see what happens.

The focus of the concern is now in Spain. The country of southern Europe that between April and May seemed to have found a certain direction and dared to teach Europeanism to the troubled Italy has tangled its legs with an absurd repetition of general elections.

Tension over tension. The electoral campaigns unnerve the spirits and flatten the perspective. The inflammation of an increasingly complex political and civil conflict like that of Catalonia, requires calm, time and not acting pending what the polls will say tomorrow. There is a radical contradiction between the rhythms and attitudes that electoral combat demands and the management of an outbreak of anger that nobody controls at all. That insurmountable contradiction is being skillfully taken advantage of by the only character in the current Hispanic altarpiece who doesn't play anything in the elections and who has decided to take advantage of the reckless "Sanchez moment" to avenge and vindicate.

Many things at the same time: among them, the revenge of Puigdemont on Junqueras

A smiling mask observes these days the events of Catalonia. A seemingly secret directory directs the times and intensities of some of the most significant protests, but not all of them, as has been demonstrated during the last fifteen days in Barcelona. There is more than one script, there is more than one mask, there is more than one network.

Pedro Sánchez did not foresee such an uncertain and stressful electoral campaign when in August he opted for November. The Waterloo man did not foresee fire in the streets of Barcelona, ​​because that fire will burn his eyebrows and fringe. Perfect plans do not exist at the time of the cult of the mask of Anonymus and the face of Joker. Today, the only perfect plans are the robberies with Salvador Dalí's mask in the series La casa de papel. Anonymity, networks and revenge. It is the sign of the times.

V for Vendetta. It is quite evident that the Waterloo man is taking revenge on the Lledoners prisoner with more political weight. Two years ago, Oriol Junqueras prevented Carles Puigdemont from slowing down at the last minute, calling elections to the Parliament. 155 silver coins. October 26, 2017. They had promised independence and were about to convene regional elections to avoid the intervention of the Generalitat. ERC threatened to leave the Catalan government, while Jordi Turull and Josep Rull implored the president of the Generalitat not to sign the decree calling, not to leave the convergent gene at the foot of Republican horses. Two years later, the tables have been inverted. Esquerra is the one that he would like to stop now. Junqueras had to send a letter to the CDRs yesterday asking them not to boycott the event that his party plans to celebrate tomorrow in front of the Lledoners prison. Playing with the mask of Anonymus, Puidgemont wants to destabilize the pactist ERC, to stop his electoral ascent and not be left out of the negotiation framework that will open sooner or later. The Waterloo man understands that greater visibility of the Catalan conflict in the international media is useful for his defense in Brussels. But in that visualization there should be no fire. The fire scorches the perfect plans.

The fire has surprised him, because there are other masks, other discomforts and other revenges pending in the magma of frustrated independence. Not all Joker obey Anonymus.


Foot Notes:

*"Waterloo man" = Puigdemont, the right wing nationalist, who was finger chosen President of Catalan Generalitat by overthrown president Artur Mas, who scaped hided in a trunk of a car to Brussels ( when central government in Madrid was about to apply article 155 of Spanish Constitution to promoters of Catalan seccesionist movement.. ), where he was hosted by Belgian far-right, and where he is passing a really good time, strolling, taking drinks and tapas, while his partners in the Catalan procés have passed already one year in prison...No wonder he shows always so relaxed and smiling in videos of him taken at Brussels....

*"CDRs": defense committees of the "Catalan Republic", thise in charge of organizing and calling for demosntrations, blockade of roads, access to universities, rail stations and airports...

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1189251575027585024

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 13:52 utc | 118

Thank God For The Deep State

Thank God For The Deep State

"Thank God For The Deep State": Intel Agents Admit They Want To "Take Out" Trump

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/thank-god-deep-state-intel-traitors-admit-they-want-take-out-trump


Two former intelligence heads bragged about how the deep state is engaged in a coup to remove President Trump Thursday, with one even praising God for the existence of the deep state.

During an interview with Margaret Brennan of CSPAN, former CIA head John McLaughlin along with his successor John Brennan both basically admitted that there is a secretive cabal of people within US intelligence who are trying to ‘take Trump out’.

Posted by: librul | Nov 1 2019 14:32 utc | 119

In response to cettain articles in certain US military analysts blogs "blaming" Hezbollah for not stopping corruption while part of government ( even when not holding any ministry related to economy ot labour...) and "advising" Hezbollah to "leave politics and go underground"....

Lebanese Caretaker Interior Minister Raya Haffar El Hassan tells CNN: Despite painful US sanctions against Hezbollah, the group are part of the country's social fabric -- and aren't going anywhere.

https://twitter.com/AlmanarEnglish/status/1190252774203760640

Seyyed Nasrallah is already speaking....Picks taken from live by Al Manar verbatim...

Sayyed Nasrallah speech begins in a memorial ceremony held for the departure of Islamic researcher Sayyed Jaafar Mortada.

Sayyed Nasrallah speaks about Sayyed Mortada's rich journey and great support to the Islamic resistance.

Sayyed Nasrallah: After around two weeks of the protests that took place, we must highlight as always on the positives of this move.

Sayyed Nasrallah: The Lebanese have been able to stop many attempts of incitements and tensions because of their consciousness.

Sayyed Nasrallah: The form and amount of cursing is unprecedented in Lebanon and I assure to you that this is not spontaneous.

Sayyed Nasrallah: All this cursing was in attempt to trigger the opposite street and cause trouble and clashes in the country.

Sayyed Nasrallah: Everyone has weapons in Lebanon, not just the resistance, and everyone has emotions and could be triggered by these bad words and by closing the words.

Sayyed Nasrallah: Speaking about millions in the streets is emotional talk. You can say 100, 200, or 300 thousand, but the millions were in their homes.

Sayyed Nasrallah: Media must not broadcast cursing under the claim that this is the voice of people. Curses are never the voice of people.

Sayyed Nasrallah: From the positives of these protests are the non sectarian calls, and media must be careful not to broadcast any sectarian calls that come out here and there.

Sayyed Nasrallah: Hezbollah was never in control of any government that passed. This is only an attempt to hold Hezbollah responsible for the corruptions in the country.

Sayyed Nasralah: Even when we say that we don't support the fall of any government, it is for the sake of the country not the sake of Hezbollah.

Sayyed Nasrallah: We never asked protestors to leave the streets, we asked them to give chance for the government to make reforms.

Sayyed Nasrallah: Now the Prime Minister resigned, this means that the whole government fell, so there is no chance to implement any form of reforms or have an economic hope, we just have to wait.

Sayyed Nasrallah: We did not support the resignation of PM Saad Hariri. It was his choice and he had his own reasons.

Sayyed Nasrallah: Who ever the new government was, its major goals must be to regain the people's trust. This is why this government must have all the trustworthy elements: Seriousness of in deeds, constant work, setting priorities, clearance and transparency.

Sayyed Nasrallah: We call for dialogue between all parts. Our country needs everyone and needs everyone to hold his responsibility.

Sayyed Nasrallah: The US is always an obstacle in front of the Lebanese to make any developments or reforms.

Sayyed Nasrallah: About the Israeli drone that was targeted yesterday by the resistance in the Lebanese skies, this assures that the resistance has its military leadership that works without being the least influenced by any internal developments.

Sayyed Nasrallah: The resistance is always on its promise and is always in state of readiness to defend the Lebanese territories.


Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 14:37 utc | 120

D. Orlov said something that I thought striking, shocking. Said recently @ RT/Keiser Report # E1455 (also he said "interesting " stuff @RT/Keiser # E1455)

He said that the US was without the financial resources/ability to conduct a major bombing "campaign".

Seen as a symptom, this is very grave...as it implies proximity of the "failure" or "collapse" of that basic US institution - the Airforce/Army/navy - the "bailiffs" that enforce dollar-dom...

I doubt his claim is quite true, but if it is, then it seems like time to recall the dictum of empires..."aways pay the army, no matter what"...which in this case means an army that is losing it's value, fast.

Ok, Then what happens? The trends are non-linear...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 15:20 utc | 121

Thin edge of the wedge? Tulsi's pushing the button on the FF911affair.

Lamp-posts? (Bush 41 quote, look it up)

see RT(D) "Verlangen die Wahrheit!" Präsidentschaftskandidatin Gabbard fordert Offenlegung aller 9/11-Akten (the video of the lady officer is in english)

Think about where the string leads...or is it a fuze?

("fuse" is electrical safety device. "fuze" is another meaning)

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 15:29 utc | 122

Max Blumenthal arrest HYPE:

>> typically, if convicted, one might get a few days in jail and/or a small fine for 'simple assault'

!! contrast that with the real "political persecution" that many whistle-blowers and real journalists face;

>> the charge against Max was initially dismissed - as would be expected because Max's father is the powerful Clinton associate Sid Blumenthal

!! Max/greyzone HYPE makes the reinstated charges suspicious as they have become a springboard for Max/Greyzone;

>> Blumenthal's rehabilitation would likely to provide him with another opportunity to sway the left at a critical time in the near future - just like his efforts:

1) at the start of the Syrian proxy war, and

2) immediately after the Benghazi attack (he's the one that wrote that the attack was due to a video).


b has previously written about Max Blumenthal:

2018: Blumenthal, Norton, Khalek - The Turncoats Deliver A Poor Excuse - by Daniel

2017: Syria - The Alternet Grayzone Of Smug Turncoats - Blumenthal, Norton, Khalek

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 15:38 utc | 123

Indeed the U.S.political landscape is certified inimical. Ungovernable.

The Impeachment inquisition v. The Durham criminal investigation.

Pelosi leads the Democrats to deflect the DOJ criminal investigation in what is seen by some observers as the Intels' attempted coup.

What happened in 2016? Adjectives such as 'Treason' in the shining "democracy" of the US of A ?

Looking ahead to 2020,
Trump just became Florida's favourite son. No, no, it wasn't for Florida's lower taxes or that New York treated him very badly.

Known as one of the swing states, Electoral votes maybe.

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 1 2019 15:38 utc | 124

@ flankerbandit | Nov 1 2019 13:17 utc | 118

I wish I could refuse to fly AirMax - out of principal as much as anything else.

But I believe our government will use same method as with GMO's - it would be too dangerous to allow the public to have the info needed to make a choice. You will fly AirMax or you won't fly - is the plan I believe.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2019 15:45 utc | 125

mina : Thanks for Bhadrakumar, another "unreliable narrator" whose opinions I like to read.

That interview is the first time I have read Assad in his own words and at length. You can see the orderly mind of the eye doctor working there still. He makes a lot of sense too, thinks long term. I don't see anybody more likely to get Syria on the road to recovery. He is right with his five seas idea too. A crossroads between three continents for thousands of years, that is their future too.

Sasha: thanks for informative posts, Nasrallah speech.

Walter: Orlov is a fun read gets a bit too enthusiastic at times. Gets dogmatic about technology too. The US has been struggling with getting enough ammo for its various overseas enterprises since the days of Bush the Lesser. Since we don't make stuff like we used to and we are more focussed on the money than the product in defense spending, this situation is not likely to get better. Sometimes the problem has been that the parties we wanted to give ammo & weapons to didn't use stuff we make, former Soviet block weapons, etc. were needed. Ratlines and weapon conduits running back and forth. Nevertheless it would not be a good idea to assume we cannot do death from above quite well, given control of the air. This has its limitations, obviously, but is nothing to toy around with. On the other hand I don't think we would last long in any war where logisitics and ground combat really becomes an issue, Gulf Wars I & II are not on the table without BIG changes. And I think that is what Orlov is getting at, and I think it is why we have not taken our frustrations out on Iran, N. Korea, well everybody really, because we can't do much besides blow shit up, and the other guys can blow shit up pretty good too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 1 2019 16:03 utc | 126

Sasha @ 54. one OK? news article. (see also Jen 69 for another take.)

quote: “ … Why has Israel’s entire foreign service shut down? In a word: taxes.

Israeli diplomats get lump-sum expense stipends meant to cover a range of personal and official expenses. The Finance Ministry now says it wants the diplomats to submit individual receipts for those expenses and pay sales tax on the personal ones. The taxes would be applied retroactively, which would force the diplomats to pay back from previous years. Sales tax in Israel, which is known as a valued-added tax, or VAT, is currently 17 percent.

The Foreign Ministry is none too pleased.

“Israel’s representatives abroad strive to promote the country’s international standing and strength daily,” a ministry statement published Wednesday said. “The Ministry of Finance is impairing essential tools of the State of Israel and has unfortunately left us with no option other than the closing of all diplomatic missions.” / end quote.

https://www.jta.org/2019/10/30/israel/all-of-israels-embassies-are-on-strike

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The strike is open-ended afaik. Idk of any published ‘demands.’

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In july 2019 threats were made to shut down all /missions/ :

Earlier this month, Foreign Ministry employees announced that embassy staff would no longer take care of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s travel arrangements until their dispute with the Finance Ministry was resolved.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/foreign-ministry-workers-scrap-strike-as-deal-signed-with-treasury/

Heh.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 1 2019 16:22 utc | 127

Although I generally like Caitlin Johnstone, she really fails when she makes Max Blumenthal into an Assange-like hero.

Max B. is no Assange!

Max B./Greyzone has HYPED his arrest, and IMO anyone that plays along with that (as Catlin does) to boost Max is suspect.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 16:27 utc | 128

@119 a user... nice van morrison bluesy track! i hadn't heard it before...

Posted by: james | Nov 1 2019 16:28 utc | 129

@ Bemildred | Nov 1 2019 16:03 utc | 128

We closely agree. D.O. tends to hyperbole. Nevertheless the trends are non-linear, what the rate of the rate of loss may be, eg logarithmic (?) etc, is unclear, but the rate is accelerating.

What Max and Stacy said in those two "E" also figures...

Recall winning at bar-shootin' pool, encouraged by a friend to take on an opponent... My pal said "Hell Walter, allz hez got is a slam shot. Take his money..." (I did)

Murkaz got slam shots, and little else. Infantry (Red Army W2 as example) wins, on the ground, the hard way...bombing may be nice, but it only makes more opponents. The murkin/uk bombing of Berlin only cemented the nazis' power...same Vietnam...

If so, D.O. is only a little bit ahead of reality...and yes, that explains why Iran has not been "done".

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 16:28 utc | 130

Assad's 5 Seas project mentioned in Bemildred's comment @128 was also part of this article related to the economic recovery of Southwest Asia.

At that same site, Crooke writes about events in Lebanon and tries to link them to the demise of the global economic system imposed by the Outlaw US Empire but without ever using the term that describes it--Neoliberalism.

Both writers essentially write about the same meta subject without naming what's happening--Paradigm Change.

One last comment on the Assad interview and Nasrallah's speech. Both are totally savvy to the machinations of the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals, which is also true for the leaders of Iran, Russia and China. Iraqi leader behavior suggests they have yet to graduate to their level, and the same can be said for the leaders Lebanon requires. Two additional clues that point to Assad's level of savviness--his deciphering of the UN representative's moves and words along with his approach to the actions of the opposition at the Constitutional Committee meetings. Assad's intellect is well beyond that of those who chanted Assad must go.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 16:39 utc | 131

Your Statement: ""In 2016, USTL launched the Term Limits Convention, a new project to enact a constitutional amendment for congressional term limits. Under this approach, state legislators can enact term limits for the Congress in Washington and no member of Congress can stop them."

In a 1994 case, USTL v. Thornton, the State of Arkansas had passed, along with 21 other states, constitutional amendments to limit not only their own state legislators and constitutional officers, but US legislators as well. Ray Thornton sued the Sec. of State before the Arkansas Supreme Court, claiming the state did not have the power to limit the terms of congresspersons and Senators. In a 5-4 decision, the court upheld the Arkansas Supreme Court's decision.

Though enough State legislatures of the several states could resolve to call a constitutional convention to add an amendment to the US Constitution limiting Congress' terms, Congress would still have to ratify the amendment. So they in fact 'could stop them (state legislators)'.

Posted by: Skip Cook | Nov 1 2019 16:41 utc | 132

from an 8/2018 comment on a Caitlin Johnston post... seems well put...
".. Whatever happens in the mid-term elections, Russia will be accused on meddling and depending on the composition of the new Congress, the US will become ever more aggressive towards Russia. The sole advantage Russia has in all this is that aggressors are often poor planners… they lock themselves into a matrix of wanting to live up to their own chest-beating.
The world bank report on Russia is quite telling. The transition away from oil is way ahead of schedule. Digital finance is on track and the services sector has outgrown all other sectors. Diversification of its foreign exchange stock is on track while the debt burden is low. Inflation is lower than anticipated by the central bank of Russia; in general macroeconomic indicators are all positive in spite of all the sanctions; even the current account has gained as exports in non-commodities have
It seems that finally external pressures in the form of sanctions are enabling the Russian govt achieve policy goals it had little room to pursue without them. These sanctions are counterproductive because they are showing the world a way of living without being embedded within the US financial system. This is a self-destructive policy for the US because the majority of global liquidity is actually in the East in Japanese and Chinese banks (these are the trade surplus nations)… it only goes to the west to purchase US treasury bills (as these nations loan the US money to keep its budget afloat). Perhaps it is the resilience of the Russian economy which has left US congresspersons and senators distraught… they hoped Russia would be destroyed by now. (Perhaps they should bomb it. Why not? They did commit rigging or was it hacking which is on par, MSNBC tells us, with Pearl Harbor. And all this, with 13 accounts and under $100K in spending most of which happened after election day: all hail omnipresent Putin.)
I have no idea what the imperial power is on about but carrying this on will weaken the empire as more and more surpluses begin to find new places other than the US to be invested and stored. NATO can grow and expand all it wants: but the prospect of a real war with Russia would disband the alliance. It would be a nuclear genocide and nations in Europe eager to join this cult of death will flee from it. There were indications of this when Turkey shot down the Russian plane in 2015. The usefulness of NATO is purely imaginary and it is merely a cash cow and corporate welfare for military industrialists. "

Posted by: Nancy E. Sutton | Nov 1 2019 16:48 utc | 133

Walter: Yup, looks pretty non-linear to me. I think of it as a phase change, like a supersaturated solution, you never know just when it is going to happen, how far its going to go.

What's happening is Trump, Trump is an accelerant, I've called him a wrecking ball for years, because that is what he does, he says all the unsayable things, attacks all the things you are not supposed to attack. A bull in a china shop (no pun intended.) And that is why people support him, that want those things attacked. A perverse situation you have to admit.

"If you want to know who rules over you, ask who you are not allowed to criticize."

Trump tromps all over that. And they cannot seem to get rid of him, working on five years now and I think he is winning politically, he's a better politican. But I don't think he can actually govern, at all. I tend to compare him to Erdogan, both gold-toilet lovers.

That in itself, that we have come to such a state, is more that sufficient to condemn the people who run the country, whomever they might be.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 1 2019 16:48 utc | 134

Uplifting article that put a wry smile on my face this morning and rekindled my hope in humanity. There's a video to provide context. The article's in the form of an open letter that begins thusly:

"To: Donny Deutsch

"Fr: Djaffar Shalchi, Danish millionaire and founder, Human Act

"Re: 'F***ing Denmark'

"Dear Mr. Deutsch,

"I noticed with interest your comments regarding healthcare and wealth on Bill Maher’s show last week. It’s not often that my home country of 'f***ing Denmark' gets compared to the United States, let alone so colorfully."

It's great to know that there are people in the world like Mr. Shalchi and organizations such as the one he refers to, Human Act. What's sad is that so few people will read his letter, which is one of the reasons why I'm linking it.

From the comments comes this gem:

"The rich can go live in Saudi Arabia if they like; their sense of citizenship is more like the royalty there have."

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 17:03 utc | 135

Here's Max B's reply to Caitlin's hagiography:

Thank you so much for raising your voice, Caitlin - and for lifting the corporate media’s mask
He doesn't even blush at the grossly unfair comparison between Assange and himself.

Caitlin responds adoringly:

Thanks for all you do.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 17:05 utc | 136

@138 Well at least he went to the Embassy protest and writes using his real name.

Posted by: dh | Nov 1 2019 17:10 utc | 137

Foreign Policy claims that Putin Lost His African Great Game Before He Started.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the following projects were started at the Russia–Africa Summit:

• $5 billion credit line for Russian exports to Africa
• $300 million edible fat & oil processing plant in Egypt
• 2 million tonnes/year grain terminal on the Mediterranean coast of Egypt
• 2.1 million tonnes/year oil products pipeline from Congolese port Pointe-Noire to DRC's capital Kinshasa
• €2 billion oil refinery in Morocco
• 400 MW nuclear power plant in Ethiopia
• geological laboratory and oil & gas exploration at Lake Kivu in Rwanda
• mineral resources management system in South Sudan
• mineral resources management system in River Nile State, Sudan
• 10 MW nuclear research reactor in Rwanda
• $2.5 billion for a 1300 km oil pipeline in Niger and railroad and transport infrastructure development in Guinea and DRC
• IT security for the leading mobile network operator in Angola
• €1 billion contract to supply 1300 railroad passenger cars for Egypt
• $1 billion fertilizer plant and associated port infrastructure in Angola
• 3 million tonnes/year steel mill in Nigeria (completing 1979 USSR project)

(Sources: Какие контракты заключили на форуме «Россия — Африка», Россия достроит начатый СССР в 1979 году сталелитейный завод в Нигерии.)

Posted by: S | Nov 1 2019 17:13 utc | 138

What all those empty trailers were for....fro those wondering here past days, guessing it was for the withdrawal that never happened and instead became a reinforcement with clear recognition by Mark Esper and Pentagon on "stealing Syrian oil" allegedly to compensate for the US spending in the destruction of Syria through bombing and payements to proxy jihadi takfiris, included "demised" Abu Bakr ( the man who got without underpants when about to die for whatever forensic analysis...)

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1190314829560590336

Then it is the obvious contradictions ( as happens with everything in that head...) about dogs The Donald holds...For what it seems, in his very personal measurement of living beings on planet Earth, you can, in the same event, "die like a dog" and "be a dog who happens to be a hero"....En qué quedamos?... All this after having been schooled at a Warton school...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 17:28 utc | 139

Sanders on Gaza/Palestinians:

"Gaza is experiencing a humanitarian and environmental crisis. Conflating an effort to address that crisis with ‘support for Hamas’ is part of an effort to dehumanize Palestinians and continue the conflict."

Sanders has shown he's an independent Jew, not wedded to Zionism.

S @140--

Thanks for that list. ROSATOM with its full cycle nuclear plant technology could create a dynamic system within the whole of Africa over the next 20 years and propel African development. But what Africa needs most is help to jettison the Neoliberal fetters that hinders its progress.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 17:31 utc | 140

@ (about Trump)...most people in our small town (14k last count) have lived here their entire lives, (we're "refugees"). They all, mostly, share their culture, confession, and mythic beliefs - which are pretty reasonable and practical. They are watching the attempted coup in DC, and they speak with one-another about it. Most adult native males are veterans. They see no reason for the foreign expeditionary adventures, and do not understand the excuses.

I listen, and on occasion prompt with questions. (being from somewhere else makes me sorta alien and it would be rude to say much - we're sorta "guests"). That's the way in small towns, as everybody knows.

So? What do they say? As follows>

Trump says thousands of dumb things.

He's President, nobody else.

Lots of the dumb things are true.

The attempt to make a coup has ruined any chance the Demo Party have for 2020.

There may not be an election.

They are very happy to be far away from DC and any big city.

They expect sudden change.

They respect their sheriff, but not the governor...

They like Tulsi, and Trump too. (Her military rank and record, and what she says, makes her solid 'round here).

see also "SoJ" (State of Jefferson) their incipient departure from California has increasing "traction"...as their understanding matures.

PGE has lost whatever reputation it may have had...they all opine that the suits stole the maintenance money, somehow. They see PGE as playing a political game on them, at their expense, and do not like it.

..........................

My tentative view is that they're "searching for new ways", which is the driver of revolution. (Erik Hoffer on Change...)

If so, we're present at a creation. Bummer, eh?

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 17:36 utc | 141

Corbyn announces debate between him and Johnson on 19 November on ITV:

"This is a once in a generation election. So it's welcome that Boris Johnson has accepted our challenge of a head to head TV debate.

"The choice could not be clearer: Boris Johnson’s Conservatives protecting the privileged few or a Labour government on the side of the many."

From my perspective, it's not about Brexit anymore; it's about ousting the Tories and putting Corbyn and Labour into power so they can undo the decades of neoliberal robbery of the UK's people.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 17:45 utc | 142

Walter @144--

Do you live in Weed, CA, or one of the other small towns in NorCal?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 17:48 utc | 143

karlof1 @142:

Sanders has shown he's an independent Jew, not wedded to Zionism.

Sanders has shown that he's really good at deflecting and obfuscating when he is put on the spot about sensitive issues.

In this interview, Sanders uses moral relativity to excuse Israel and says that he's anti-BDS. His proposed alternative to BDS? That USA becomes more even-handed. Readers can decide for themselves if that's really realistic.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 18:01 utc | 144

Short vid, Running of the feral hogs somewhere in suburban Europe. That reminds me; I have a pork belly to cure and smoke.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 18:01 utc | 145

Full interview with President of the Syrian Arab Republic Dr. Bashar Al Assad with English subtitles. ( via Marwa Osman Twitter account )

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1190327209224884224

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 18:01 utc | 146

Walter: I'd say they are not so dumb, eh? I worked in a sawmill up there for about ten years in the 70s, which was about the last time PG&E had a good rep. up there, which it did at that time.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 1 2019 18:01 utc | 147

@ jared

You will fly AirMax or you won't fly - is the plan I believe.

How do you figure that's going to be put into action...?

Travelers that don't want to fly on the MAX can simply book another flight on another carrier that flies a different aircraft...there are are probably 20 times as many aircraft in the same category than there are MAXes...

Carriers that fly MAXes at low capacity will soon dump them, even at a loss, if customers continue to refuse to fly on them...or they will see other carriers walk off with their customers...it's a very competitive business...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 1 2019 18:11 utc | 148

followup @144

Whether one approves of BDS or not, it has become yet another democracy issue due to legislation to make any boycott of Israel illegal. Numerous US states have passed such legislation (I think it is more than two dozen now).

Citizens United says, essentially, that money is speech. Thus money as political contributions is protected as freedom of speech. Yet we are not allowed to exercise our (newfound!) Constitutional right to speak with our money when it concerns Israel?

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 18:12 utc | 149

Hal Freeman, an American professor who moved to a small town in Russia, talks about Misconceptions Among Russians and Americans (vid, 7:56). Of course, most of you already know the things he's talking about, but the video is still useful as yet another neutral testimony that you can show to those of your friends and relatives who have been brainwashed by Russophobic propaganda.

Posted by: S | Nov 1 2019 18:21 utc | 150

A more detailed account of Nasrallah´s speech...

https://english.almanar.com.lb/862886

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 1 2019 18:30 utc | 151

Who knew about this?!:

"I am from New Zealand, where you can now be put under house arrest and electronic monitoring without ever being arrested, charged or convicted of anything.

"Where it's LEGAL to be videoed in your HOME *without* a warrant.

"The West is the police state"

The thread's worth reading for its additional testimonies and info about Epstein and Barr.


Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 18:44 utc | 152

Amendments to the U.S. Constitution proposed by a convention called by 2/3 of the states require no further approval by Congress. All that the amendments require to become law is ratification by 3/4 of the states. The only roles that Article Five of the Constitution assigns to Congress for convention-proposed amendments is to call the national constitutional convention (mandatory: "shall call") and to determine whether state ratification is to be by state legislatures or by state conventions.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 1 2019 18:53 utc | 153

@ flankerbandit | Nov 1 2019 18:11 utc | 148

re. Avoiding AirMax

Here's my thinking, using myself as example:
- I fly maybe once a month for business.
- Have to go point A to point B
- Schedule is fairly constrained - outside my control.
- I can somewhat chose time of day.
- I fly cattle class.
- I want direct flight.
So my choices are fairly constrained.
Given airline will generally fly certain equipment on a certain route - so I might generally be lucky there as I am usually going from major airport to smaller airports so generally get the small planes (lot of Embraer). But if they are flying equipment I'd rather avoid, choices are somewhat limited. And there nothing to stop them from switching equipment as need requires - maybe they will spoof equipment.
People will get frustrated and (unless there is another crash) lose interest. That will be the key. Now they will be more vigilant and proactive. Still risky. And there will probably at some point be further problems. But there will be much social pressure, unless they are falling from sky. They realize this and are already pressing. They see current uproar as a lot of bother over nothing. They should be looking at jail time and asset seizure but that's not about to happen. It's part of the pattern of where we are - the consumer does not matter.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2019 19:10 utc | 154

On the Max Blumenthal arrest, first Dan Cohen:

"The fallout from @MaxBlumenthal’s persecution by the Trump admin and its Venezuelan coup lobbyists is revealing the billionaire/corporation-funded “press freedom” organizations to be beholden to elite political interests. Like so much in the Trump era, the mask has slipped."

Then Morgan Artyukhina:

"Hey @uspresstracker, you have tweeted several threads about Bryan Carmody (rightfully so), whose house was raided in May by SF police early in the morning & who wasn't 'in the course of reporting' when it happened. Why won't you defend @MaxBlumenthal?"

Finally, US Press Tracker's Bull:

"We are aware of Blumenthal's arrest and based on the information available it does not meet the threshold for categorization on our site because he was not in the course of reporting when it happened."

The thread at the last link is very much worth reading. Combined with the Kiwi's report I posted up thread, there's plenty to be concerned about and none of it has anything to do with the Trump impeachment circus.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 19:20 utc | 155

Regarding Rupert Murdoch (A User @ #103)- his mother was a jew matriarch of Melbourne so what does it make him?

Posted by: 2centsworth | Nov 1 2019 19:40 utc | 156

Karlof1 @155

You’re just going to ignore my comment @128?

Max B. Is not being persecuted. It is hype.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 19:49 utc | 157

jared...doesn't make sense...

Plenty of choices there...if you're flying short hops you will be on regional jets like Embraer or Bombardier...or even turboprops...btw the Bombardier Dash 8 is a very good airplane [at least for the passenger] very economical and low fares...

If you fly a medium haul route you will be on a narrow body...again plenty of choices...AA still flies lots of MD80s and 90s...plus A320s and lots of pre-MAX 737s

Southwest is the biggest customer for the MAX...so folks that don't want to fly MAX may avoid that carrier altogether...

I think the booking services are going to start flagging MAX flights if there is customer request to do that...

I think your entire premise is faulty...there is no way you're going to get some people to step foot on a MAX...

Posted by: flankerbandit | Nov 1 2019 19:53 utc | 158

Jr @157

If it's just hype why does it not seem to be anywhere in the MSM?
I just googled Max Blumenthal arrested and this is what comes up. Zero in MSM.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=max+blumenthal+arrested

Posted by: arby | Nov 1 2019 20:09 utc | 159

And since it is nowhere in MSM one must conclude that it was a real intentional intimidation meant to send fear.

Posted by: arby | Nov 1 2019 20:13 utc | 160

arby @159

I guess it’s just not newsworthy. I’ll bet there were many people arrested at those protests. How many of them got covered in MSM?

Once again: a misdemeanor charge that will likely be dismissed is far from Assange-like “persecution”. And it’s offensive when it is made to appear as though it is.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 20:20 utc | 161

Sasha | Nov 1 2019 18:01 utc | 146

Full interview with President of the Syrian Arab Republic Dr. Bashar Al Assad with English subtitles. ( via Marwa Osman Twitter account )

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1190327209224884224

There also this interview in English which I found very impressive (I posted it earlier but either I have lost it or it has disappeared.) https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-president-gives-rare-in-depth-interview-full-transcript/

Posted by: foolisholdman | Nov 1 2019 20:26 utc | 162

Misdemeanor charges usually do not require arrests at gun point with your house surrounded.
The only difference so far between Blumenthal and Assange is the depth of the persecution of Assange.
Both acts are designed to send shivers into any journalist that dares to pull the pants of the evil empire down even just a bit.

Posted by: arby | Nov 1 2019 20:32 utc | 163

arby @163: arrest at gunpoint

They “persecuted” him by showing up in force. LOL

Like hundreds of others have experienced in USA.

And we are supposed to ignore Max B.’s history and his powerful father.

!!

PS And we (conveniently) have only Max B.’s account of what happened because, as you’ve noted, no MSM have picked up on the story. Why haven’t Democratic Party friendly news media covered this supposed outrage against the son of the Clinton’s top associate? LOL

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 21:04 utc | 164

jr - it is the same reason assange is not in the news... nothing is served by pointing directly at the empires exceptional bullshite according to the exceptional empire of course..

Posted by: james | Nov 1 2019 21:25 utc | 165

Cracks are beginning to appear in the MSM regarding Epstein case. The timing is curious:


https://theantimedia.com/epstein-homicide/

Posted by: Alpi | Nov 1 2019 22:56 utc | 166

james @165

No, it's not the same.

Because Max B.'s "plight" is very different than Assange's.

But Max B/Greyzone and their sympathizers want you to think that Max B is "persecuted" like Assange.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 1 2019 22:56 utc | 167

Vintage In The Now provides part of Assad/CNN interview prior to the terrorist invasion. Contrast to recent Assad interview shows he's changed little in some ways--his optimism about Syria and its people.

Elsewhere, the Heritage Foundation released its annual assessment of the Outlaw US Empire's Military Strength and again found it "Marginal" in all areas, although IMO it's being very generous with the US Navy. The link goes to the Executive Summary which then links to the individual assessments. In other words, there was essentially no improvement over last year.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2019 23:01 utc | 168

@ : Bemildred | Nov 1 2019 18:01 utc | 147
@ 143 Karlofi

Not Weed. Riverain headwater delta county - close to the river n outta town... Gudnuf?

I once did high voltage work for SMUD and some turbine jobs at SoCalEd - and worked for GE at nukes and mills - turbine and diesel jobs - back when GE made real things - they were good guys. Some turbine jobs were a blast...at Kinzua in near Hepner Ore... But never anything for pge. I do know one or two guys there though. Competent men, generally, but poorly managed - if their attitude toward work is matched against their fair wage... If you get my drift. I'd say they're being allowed to loaf and tempted to petty crime - but it's situational. Good fellas, poor bosses. That's my impression. Maybe it's idiopathic, local.

Among the last turbine work near retirement was a big hydro - pulling the runner out rebuilding the wicketgates - all kina fun stuff. GE was the prime contractor. They totally phucked the job - I expected men to get killed, and the runner - flown to the machine shop in Canada because GE US has no longer the facilities to machine stuff like 22 feet in diameter & 100 (?) tons - runner got machined waywrong - ok do it over... and there were major safety risks with solvents underground and rags and catalysts for epoxy combined with torches and LN2 - we were lucky. The hydro managers were on the same level - delusional, I would say.

It was disconcerting and shocking for me, as I had expected (20 years later) the same good management and people...it was weird. Glad to be outta it.

It's sad to watch our history burning away, not the trees - I mean the "story" and beliefs - the icons actually being pulled down - the entire mythic structure of Eagle Scout Salute the Flag and Respect...people would say "it's a free country" when somebody spouted-off... whatever it was everybody except a few "kooks" bought the story - and that made it real. Every cultural icon, as boffin might say "ways of doing and knowing" - all being discarded.

But it is also great theater. So long as all the stuff what happens is somewhere's else. It's Carlin's Freak Show. When the show's over you have to pay...

If only there was a door into 1965...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 1 2019 23:08 utc | 169

Join me in demanding the truth — Tulsi Gabbard on September 11 Attacks (vid, 2:01).

She's talking about the Saudis, but the resolution she has introduced on October 29—House Resolution 662—calls for declassification and release of all information regarding 9/11 attacks, not just information pertaining to the Saudis' role.

Posted by: S | Nov 1 2019 23:19 utc | 170

Al Manar`s twitter account got suspended...

Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 2 2019 1:01 utc | 171

Walter @169--

Thanks for your reply and your short bio! Agree with you about the icons as the truth is very uncomfortable. 1965 found me in Davis driving tractors with my dad in Summer all over the state working experimental agricultural plots for UC Davis as part of the Green Revolution when I wasn't involved being a kid. Nostalgia has its plusses!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 1:14 utc | 172

S @170--

That's likely why she's not seeking reelection to the House as that bill represents a massive battle for the Truth that will likely cross over into her presidential campaign. You'll recall she introduced the Stop Arming Terrorists Act in 2016:

"The legislation is cosponsored by Reps. Peter Welch (D-VT-AL), Barbara Lee (D-CA-13), Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA-48), and Thomas Massie (R-KT-04), and supported by the Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) and the U.S. Peace Council."

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 1:27 utc | 173

@Posted by: Per/Norway | Nov 2 2019 1:01 utc | 171

No worries...you can still reach Al Manar web page...

Twitter has its utility for us to know about news and events almost immediately or even simultaneously to when they are taking place..

Other accounts have been suspended lately...some from leftist activists I usually post here information from...It is curious, but, as far as I am aware, nothing from Al Manar Twitter had never been posted here till this midday, when I posted Nasrallah´s speech as it was being delivered...
It´s obvious that those who "really" manage Twitter have people reading here 24/7...and that Twitter is a tool of US intelligence services...

@berlinconfidenc has been also suspended...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 1:30 utc | 174

2centsworth | Nov 1 2019 19:40 utc | 156

who claimed : "Regarding Rupert Murdoch (A User @ #103)- his mother was a jew matriarch of Melbourne so what does it make him?"

Absolute tossage elizabeth murdoch was an awful woman no argument. The celts have to own that tho as detailed here Mrs Murdoch's heritage was scots & a dollop of Irish.

Posted by: A User | Nov 2 2019 2:21 utc | 175

This is completely off-topic even for an open thread, but here's a very well-made video that summarizes all the discoveries made about Jupiter over the past three years—and there have been many, so prepare to be surprised: What has NASA's Juno discovered around Jupiter so far? (3 year update) (15:39).

Posted by: S | Nov 2 2019 2:34 utc | 176

@167 jr... clearly max is no assange... that part is clear... but in terms of actions on the part of the state - it is the same bs..

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2019 4:28 utc | 177

The goal is to ruin Trump’s coattails in 2020 and try to preserve control of the house. In the swing districts, the Democrats will make the campaigns about Trump to avoid discussing issues. The Democrats are weak on issues, especially now.

Posted by: Fly | Nov 2 2019 6:27 utc | 178

@23
Denmark's main trade partner is Germany more than its Scandinavian 'brothers', where Maersk (the main Danish corporation) operates half of their shipyards , secondly, it needs Germany to gain access to the rest of the Eurasian continent by land. Third, was the NATO country with the highest casualties per capita in Afghanistan.. why would Denmark keep be pleasing the US when it in return gets nothing relevant other than bullies and threats (Greenland issue).

Posted by: Nick | Nov 2 2019 8:06 utc | 179

Jackrabbit #123

Thank you for that timely reminder and your integrity to reinstate perspective. There is always the chance that people will see through the fog of their excuses for war and conquest. I guess I have had a direct trajectory but I hold no ill will against ex soldiers or advocates of war. My good fortune was to see through the propaganda machine at an early age, to see the duplicity and lies and malign intentions of the war machines.

Had I lived in a country such as the USA in my youth I may well have been overwhelmed by its fetish for all things violent. However a good part of my life was to oppose that nations ignorance.

Indeed it is the ignorance that is nationalism that is the most disabling affliction of humanity.

Barflies are fortunate to have such fine company as b and yourself.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 2 2019 9:17 utc | 180

Nick #178

Thanks for that it is difficult for me to locate rational discussion regarding the EU nations and the geopolitical nuance of their relationships. It mostly seemed to me that there was nothing that could get in the way of the Nordstream development and that Germany could not possibly be alone in desiring that project's start up ASAP!!

I see the USA as being just clumsy dolts in the way they aggressively undermined the project at every chance. There is something about hydrocarbons and their trade that drives people mad.

Tips for good links to read would be appreciated.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 2 2019 9:39 utc | 181

karlof1 #168

Elsewhere, the Heritage Foundation released its annual assessment of the Outlaw US Empire's Military Strength and again found it "Marginal" in all areas, although IMO it's being very generous with the US Navy. The link goes to the Executive Summary which then links to the individual assessments. In other words, there was essentially no improvement over last year.

Marginally bouyant as far as the US Navy is concerned IMO. There is one improvement, announced by that Russian gentleman, Vlad Putin to the extent that the concept of navy as a outreach aggressive force is being gradually rendered useless. China seems to be heading in the same tactically superior position.

In the past year we have witnessed the most extraordinary demonstrations of two technologies that have matured in terms of defence and offence and they are small to medium missiles and drones.

I expect there will be a revolutionary shift over the next decade as these weapons/shields propagate throughout the planet.

OT I am still waiting for the videos of the Baghdadi take down. It is beginning to look a lot like the Skripal cctv scam.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 2 2019 9:53 utc | 182

SPAIN

...joins Russia and China as the 3rd Country to take enforcement action against democratic movements. Democratic Tsunami has been taken offline at GitHub takedown notice is here:
https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns

The Catalan news[english] story can be found here:
https://www.elnacional.cat/en/news/microsoft-github-spain-civil-guard-catalan-app_436494_102.html

The app was used to co-ordinate the mass peaceful demonstrations 500,000+ people and called for demonstrators to disperse and return home at their end. Spain has called the app a terrorist tool. A first in any European State, and marks another point along a disturbing arc in Spain's approach to the punitive Taxation imbalances for citizens of the Catalan region underscoring a part of the independence call.

Perhaps the broader questions to Barflies are around subjects of irregular Govt. action being more normalised under Trump's watch? or Trump being an enabler of such non-democratic actions?

For the moment Democratic Tsunami hopes to get around the take down in Spain with a VPN fix, as it moves to November protests.
https://twitter.com/tsunami_dem/status/1189633111899934728

Echo's of "V" ....? It feels like Hong Kong contagion is still spreading.

Posted by: dennis | Nov 2 2019 10:01 utc | 183

when was the last time a team of armed cops showed up at a journalists house on a misdemeanor charge? love the instant backflip--it is hype!! nobody knows about it because it's not newsworthy!! fud.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 10:35 utc | 184

Walter @169, karlof1: Thank you for the anecdote Walter.

I quit flying around 2002 because I did not trust the management and the engineers anymore. All those little computers in everything that were so much easier to work with in the design phase, but so much less reliable in the implementation part of things. It is to engineering what air guitar is to music. I was a software engineer, and a good one, and I don't believe in them and their little computers at all. I made two exceptions in 2009 for my brother who was dying and I got to take care of him in his decline, but that didn't change my view of what a disaster they have made of transportation in this country.

New cars and trucks are full of all that computer crap too, all to jack the price up while making manufacturing cheap and employee free. Plus it's impossible to fix yourself.

About five years ago I was stuck in Branson, MO (funny how Branson comes up) and got home (Los Angeles) in two days for $120 bucks, on the Greyhound. Interesting ride it was. Greyhound is still out there eh? Like the third world is there all around us. But last time I was on a plane it was not any better, packed in like cattle going to market. Then there are the times they keep you in the plane for hours while they dick around with some problem they have. I spent 4 hours in a crowded plane at JFK while they tried to figure out a broken clock in the cockpit (so they said). Then finally, they just gave up and took off with it broken. Hmmm.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 11:18 utc | 185

the last time i rode greyhound the passengers were packed in like sardines, some kind of cops showed up with drug sniffing dogs, and you had to pass through a scanner, tho the lines weren't nearly as long as for planes. that being said, i still trust them more than the airlines these days; you have a lot better chance of surviving a bus crash.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 12:17 utc | 186

pretzelattack @186: The trains used to be harassment free too, I think the last time I took a train was up to Oregon about ten years ago, it was slow but otherwise pleasant. But you could see they are faking the maintenance too. I imagine the whole situation is getting worse, it's not like our "leaders" are going to give up on their desire to herd us around like sheep so they can be rich and feel like shepards.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2019 12:48 utc | 187

Bus

As a European Student one could purchase a 24hr pass for Trailways for $10 back in the day, meaning one could cross the US for $40 - an incredible value. It also meant one arrived in some seedy downtown areas in the early hours of the morning where one's wits were needed to safely navigate to accommodation. I particularly remember a post Watts riot LA with bouncing suspension cars and handguns pushed into jeans.
Despite the value of busses on my following visits to the US I've chosen to fly, but to meet with real people and have real conversations go bus, perhaps with a back up of anything vital on a pendrive. Its an insight to the tiered world of USA and most certainly it's not f***ing Denmark.

Posted by: dennis | Nov 2 2019 13:02 utc | 188

@Posted by: dennis | Nov 2 2019 10:01 utc | 183

Calls to blockade of airports, rail stations, and roads start falling widely out from the ranks of "peaceful demosntration"...Try that in the US....

As we have seen more recently in Lebanon, blockading of roads even to doctors, medicins and patients comes into terrorist activity, at least in my book.

It happens that blockade of medicins is a usual activity by Israeli armed forces in occupied Palestine...a testimony I received by a person involved in an insulin supply for the occupied territories that got wasted by hours under the sun of an Israeli road control...

As we have witnessed in Lebanon, that the protests turned from corruption and poverty claims into claims for Hezbollah going out of government and rendering their weapons along with for the appointment of an unelected government, points all the way at US and Israeli hided hand in the hijacking of protests, as these were Pompeo´s requests in his last visit to Lebanon where he went to throw his menaces if his requests were mot met...

The blockading of airports and vandalizing and looting of comerces and businesses is as common as daily bread in Hong Kong since long ago by ( already demonstrated ) US payed riotters.
Vandalizing and looting of commerces and businesses took place in the past days in Barcelona too, where people of upper class in appearance were filmed carrying smart Tv devices taken from a private shop...
Then, we have that both the Catalan independentist movement and Hong Kong riotters encourage and support each other... especially through #Tsunami Democrátic platfrom...

In Catalonia, there have been people who was asked to speak catalan to be allowed to pass through a road blockade by these "independentists" when that person alleged being in a hurry needing to go to the doctor....

Then, we have that who are encouraging seccesionist movements like Brexit into the EU are, by far proven, Trump and his team, when not Soros, who aims at the federalization of Europe for which he need the disintegration of current nation states into tiny regions so as the US can treat with this tiny regions face to face, once all the international organs fro law or commerce have been destroyed. Of ourse, if Trump now dares to menace whole nation-states so large as Germany and Spain, both with a not despicable army, what kind of defense will have the tiny Euro-regions against US menaces and mafiosi blackmailing?

Trump and Soros are two arms of the same mafiosi hydra who is the mafiosi US state to extortion the globe, but especially USAF occupied "close allies", like the EU.

I do not know for the Guardia Civil, which is as far ideologically from me as could be Trump himself and the US as a whole, but I will fight with teeth and nails against the invasion and take over by the US of my country, as happened in Syria. As you can test in the last interview with Al-Assad, the US invasion and looting of Syria happened becuase some Syrian traitors allowed it to happen... out of greed....there is no way for the US to enter a country when it is strongly united agsint foreign intervention of "help"...The US will always make use of idelological, religous or watever difference to exhacerbate with the aim of "divide and conquer"...

In Spain a cohort of nationalist far-right corrupt Catalan elite ( and its benefitted upper class through tax cuts ), is trying to fool the Catalan masses into the disintegration of Spain. In that travel, they do not mind selling the Meditarranan coast who blongs to the whole of Spain allowing another military base where both Israel and the US will implant their asses to harass the rest of the globe ( and this is not an ivent of my imagination since the project have been already considered....Google it... ,) whatever so as to continue looting their region...

It happens that this same corrupt nationalist far-right political class who now promotes Catalan independence is the same who looted Catalonia during decades in control of government ( Pujol is of the same party than Puigdemont and current president of Generalitat Torra...look for what qualification got the large Pujol family in a trial on corruption charges....) and this is the same formation who in the 2008 crisis applied cuts to the working masses by far harsher than those applied in the rest of Spain...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 15:03 utc | 189

uncle tungsten @180

Thank you!

Do not go gentle into that good night . . . of dystopia.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 16:26 utc | 190

@Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 15:03 utc | 189

BTW, that the fact that fascist party Vox position itself as against Catalonian independence means nothing, since this fascist party has been the main benficiary in the polls of the mayhem seen in Barcelona. They simply fuel the divide, as it is the way of bannon´s factory, to fish votes amongst those wishing the restoring of order, otherwise they could not have any except the tiny minority of nostalgics who still miss genocidal dicatator Franco...In televised debate yesterday night at first channel of Spanish public TV, Espinosa de los Monteros overtly shown who he is ( apart from laughing his ass out in front of the cameras when Irene Montero mentioned Spain as second after Cambodia in number of dissapeared ), when accusing the socialits government of provoking Trump to imposse more sanctions on Spain, showing only the willing minion he is of the US, when the socialist government pledged to each and every of US requests for sanctions against other countries which have not caused any harm to Spain, like Russia and Venezuela. As showed by last tariffs impossed on Spanish wines, the fact that you submit to each and every US requirement on sanctioning other countries fro US beneffit does not free you from aditional sanctions when the time arrives,...whatever you have done to low your pants for the US, as the betrayal of the Kurds in Syria so patently has shown....

There have been reported, even identified by police, far-right operatives coming from different European countries amongst those creating mayhem in Barcelona. I bet you all these came out of Bannon´s The Movement...It is there, and US Embassy, where the Guardia Civil should look for...
But, well, that will be like asking for pears to the elm...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 17:16 utc | 191

Rather than clutter up the Impeachment thread I will comment here about the state of "finance"

“We believe monetary policy is in a good place.”

– Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, October 30, 2019.

Below are three ZH links that are good
1.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/end-money

The above describes the types of wealth
"
Primary wealth is the wealth of the land and its functioning ecosystems. It is clear air, fresh water, thick ore bodies, and rich soils:
Secondary wealth is a finished form produced from raw materials. It is primary wealth brought to market. It is fresh produce on the grocery shelf, cut lumber (or even a fully-constructed building), and rolled steel in giant coils:
Tertiary wealth, on the other hand, is not actually “real”. But most people mistake it as a comprehensive representation of “wealth”.

Similar to money, tertiary wealth is merely a claim on primary and/or secondary wealth. A share of General Electic a stock-based claim on the company’s means of production.

And debt (and bonds) is a future claim on money. And money, as we know, is a claim on real things.
"
And then the posting goes on to describe how there is an imbalance in the claims on wealth, etc

2.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/federal-reserve-barbarous-relic

This is more of The Sky is Falling description
"
The sky, for our purposes, is the debt based dollar reserve standard that has been in place for the past 48 years. If you recall, on August 15, 1971, President Nixon “temporarily” suspended convertibility of the dollar into gold. The dollar became wholly the fiat money of the Treasury.

Predictably, without the restraint of gold, the quantity of debt based money has increased seemingly without limits – and it is everyone’s massive problem. What’s more, over the past 30 years the Federal Reserve has obliged Washington with cheaper and cheaper credit.

Hence, public, private, and corporate debt levels in the U.S. have multiplied beyond comprehension. Total US debt is now on the order of $74 trillion. The consequences, no doubt, are an economy that is equally distorted and disfigured beyond comprehension.
"

It goes on to say that this won't end well

3.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fundamentally-rigged-runaway-algos-spark-chaos-crackdown-worlds-most-important-futures

"
The eurodollar futures market is among the most important for the functioning of global financial markets, providing faux-credit fillers for institutions everywhere as well as critical signaling (whether reflexive or not) on the future path of interest rates (and thus what The Fed is expected to do, or will do).

So, it seems appropriate to worry when that critical credit market is over-run by chaos-producing algos who seem to have moved on from front-running stocks (because it's all buybacks all the time) to the vastly less-liquid (and notably wider tick-spreads) eurodollar market.

As The Wall Street Journal reports, over the past two months, the volume of data generated by activity in CME’s Eurodollar futures soared 10-fold, according to exchange statistics.

Starting this week, CME will fine traders $10,000 whenever their messaging exceeds a certain threshold and cut off their connections to the exchange after repeat violations.

But, as WSJ notes, Mr. Richardson said the policy benefits large market makers, because they can establish dozens of connections to CME, while a smaller firm such as Emergent might get less than 10.

“It’s fundamentally rigged against a small player,” Mr. Richardson said.

A CME spokesperson, of course, rejected this assertion, but it is nevertheless a worry that as the Fed's liquidity spigot is wide-open every day and uncertainty over the Fed's future path of rates remains high that the most critical market for short-term credit is increasingly exposed to the possibility of flash-crashes (which in this case, thanks to the leverage created, will almost definitely ripple into the rest of the global financial markets).
"

As we said in the 60's, "Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on, someone else is driving!"

Life is short, eat dessert first.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 2 2019 17:20 utc | 192

In Catalonia, there have been people who was asked to speak catalan to be allowed to pass through a road blockade by these "independentists" when that person alleged being in a hurry needing to go to the doctor....

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 15:03 utc | 189

The same "tactics" where lately used in Lebanon, where the thugs under manage of Samir Geagea asked the people wanting to pass the blockaded roads where they lived, so as to let them pass or not, even when cancer patients going to their chemotherapy session...as in Beirut the neighborhood you live in is a clear indicative of your relgious, and even ideological filiation.

Same "tactics", same masters, same factory..., or, blanco y en botella, leche, that we would say in roman paladino...you do not need to be an scientific Guradia Civil official to reach to that conclussion....as soon as you want to see it...

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 17:28 utc | 193

pretzelattack @184:

when was the last time a team of armed cops showed up at a journalists house on a misdemeanor charge? love the instant backflip--it is hype!! nobody knows about it because it's not newsworthy!! fud.

Firstly, all cops are "armed". Secondly, Max B. hypes the arrest when he exclaims that "the federal government essentially enlisted the DC police to SWAT me". This is an only an allusion to SWAT - but most readers will be left with the impression that SWAT was present at the arrest. And how does Max B. know that the federal government did this? Well, he doesn't. It's his opinion that is being reported, not a fact.

Then his Greyzone associates hype it when they call it "political persecution" and others hype it further when they equate it to what Assange has experienced.

Who benefits from all this hype? Max B.

If the US Govt/Deep State wanted to get Max B., they could do a whole lot worse than a charge of 'simple assault'. It could just as well be the Clintons and Max B.'s father that got the charges mysteriously reinstated.

Just as Hillary's criticism of Tulsi Gabbard HELPS Tulsi at a critical time, Max B.'s arrest and the hype around it has helped to propel Max B. into a hero of the alt-Left/progressives.

There's no more clear indication of the HYPE than Caitlin Johnstone's image of Assange and Max B. side-by-side. IMO raising Max B. to be anywhere near the equal of Assange is offensive to anyone familiar with what Assange has been through.

One might say: "well, that's on Caitlin", but Max B. has accepted that depiction (as I noted @136).

If Max B. were really being "persecuted" then it seems that his father could easily use his connection with the Clinton's to get MSM to shine a bright light on that "persecution". That would be easy to do in the context of the impeachment inquiry (Trump Administration lashes out at critics!!). But we see no such coverage.

Lastly, we are provided with very little detail and all from the point of view of an angry Max B. and crew. Why were the charges originally dropped? Why were the charges reinstated? Who brought the charges and what exactly was alleged (that should be public record)? We are expected not ask such questions. We are just suppose to feel for Max B and support him. A man who has a spotty track record and a father that is intimately connected with the Deep State.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 17:38 utc | 194

a team jr. pay attention--it never happens. you ignore and evade all the points and seize on irrelevant details, and continue arguing against things nobody said. first you claim this is a hype job and then claim it's a hype job that isn't getting reported because it is not "newsworthy". fud. or fud!!

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 2 2019 17:40 utc | 195

@Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 17:28 utc | 193

British barrister Ian Grenville Cross appeals for punishment of violent protestors in Hong Kong.

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1190282345724690434

Laughter that defines Vox: Espinosa de los Monteros laughs when the gutters of Franco are mentioned

https://twitter.com/RubenSanchezTW/status/1190391219559575553

Posted by: Sasha | Nov 2 2019 17:49 utc | 196

pretzelattack @195: ... and then claim it's a hype job that isn't getting reported

The audience for the hype is the progressive left/alt-left, not mainstream America.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2019 18:28 utc | 197

Sorry, but this isn't a "self-righteous rant," so feel free to ignore my informational comment.

"Russia, China, and the European Peninsula" is an essay at The Saker's blog exploring the many multilateral organizations that are knitting Eurasia together and changing the direction of geopolitics and geoeconomics. Lots of excellent maps and clear, non-dogmatic descriptive prose make the essay a joy to read. The author caps his writing with a bit of Chinese philosophy that is becoming the ruling norm:

"'Moral superiors and inferiors relate to each other like wind and grass: grass must bend when the wind blows over it'."

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2019 18:35 utc | 198

AFP piece with something on what the US are up to in north east Syria.

https://news.yahoo.com/us-military-calls-kurdish-forces-n
"Qamishli (Syria) (AFP) - US military vehicles Saturday entered a Kurdish-held area in northeastern Syria and met with officials, AFP correspondents and a local source said, in the second such visit since an announced US pullout from the Turkish border area."

"A source who took part in one of the Kurdish-US meetings on Saturday said the Americans wanted to return to Qamishli.
"They're coming to set up a major military post in Qamishli," the source told AFP."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2019 18:48 utc | 200

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