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October 23, 2019
Open Thread 2019-61
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worth a close read: Posted by: Cyber Durden | Oct 23 2019 19:19 utc | 1 News on the OPCW and Douma: Posted by: Cherrycoke | Oct 23 2019 19:57 utc | 2
Posted by: Zedd | Oct 23 2019 20:42 utc | 3 Craig Murray’s report on the farcical yet deeply disturbing court appearance for Julian Assange should be as widely distributed as possible. Please share with colleagues and request they do the same. Posted by: jayc | Oct 23 2019 20:44 utc | 4 Putin Urges Erdogan to Keep Commitments
https://www.voltairenet.org/article208063.html Posted by: Zedd | Oct 23 2019 20:48 utc | 5 Cyber Durden @1 Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 23 2019 20:52 utc | 6 Cyber Durden @1 Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 23 2019 20:52 utc | 7 Thank you for the link to Murray’s report on the Assange court hearing. “Deeply disturbing” indeed. UK’ers should most definitely be disturbed that UK judges now take orders directly from US agents. From the article:
(the article is also posted on antiwar.com) Posted by: Trailer Trash | Oct 23 2019 21:06 utc | 8 jayc @ 4 Posted by: spudski | Oct 23 2019 21:11 utc | 9 Guatemala and Honduras along with US taxpayers are now supporting Juan Guaido and his “government” to the tune of at least US$41.9 million courtesy of USAID. The news comes courtesy of Venezuelanalysis.com though The Los Angeles Times hit on it earlier. Posted by: Jen | Oct 23 2019 21:28 utc | 10 OFAC is ending the Turkish Sanctions. that was on the previous open thread from a couple of days ago.. doesn’t hurt to post it again @4 jayc.. Posted by: james | Oct 23 2019 22:04 utc | 13 Factions of World War III Posted by: Zedd | Oct 23 2019 22:06 utc | 14 Regarding article @ 3: It does make sense that Erdogan had the leverage in his negotiation with Putin. Posted by: s | Oct 23 2019 22:29 utc | 15 An introduction to fiat currency for beginners: Zedd @14: … why did HRC throw Tulsi such a honkin’ big bone by calling her a Russian asset? Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 23 2019 22:47 utc | 17 Jen 10 Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 23 2019 23:01 utc | 18 Thanks to b for this open thread as I was bemused by BM @ 28 on the previous thread. It wouldn’t be in the Orthodox tradition at all that Jesus was in India during his lifetime, so I am not sure how to relate what you have put to my post. I wouldn’t claim ‘supreme wisdom’ for the serpent in the Garden of Eden, nor does the text I was quoting. That the serpent was the wisest of created beings doesn’t imply that, since he uses his wisdom in nefarious ways. So, sorry, BM, what I was thinking of there was my old bugaboo about mind without heart as a deficiency we do well to be wary of. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that. Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2019 23:09 utc | 19 Still that was an informed reply regarding Christ’s time in India. I had read ParamansaYognanda’s interpretation of Christ’s experience and he had arrived at a similar understanding. So I enjoyed that post from the previous thread! Thanks! Posted by: Geoff | Oct 23 2019 23:34 utc | 20 if motives can signal the future, the present convulsions in the US government signal that America has been taken over by the Zionists who populate all avenues of US power structures. Posted by: CarlD | Oct 23 2019 23:37 utc | 21 Aaron Mate does an excellent interview with Jill Stein discussing Witchery Clinton’s recent diatribe against Tulsi and Jill… Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 24 2019 0:26 utc | 22 William Barr is associated with the Cabal all the way back to the assassination of JFK, he is CIA, he was part of the legal team that stole PROMIS for the US from its rightful owner (Inslaw) – PROMIS was the software that provided the backdoor into all those organisations that needed to be “directed” to enable 9/11, Barr is associated with 9/11 cover-up, drug running, in fact associated with so much that has gone wrong with the US over the last 50 years that it is ridiculous to believe that he will “sort” out the swamp for Trump. Barr almost certainly was involved in “suiciding” for “disappearing” Epstein. It is ridiculous to believe that Trump is not aware of all of this. Posted by: ADKC | Oct 24 2019 0:27 utc | 23 Lavrov and Shoygu’s press conference shortly after the signing of the Russia-Turkey memorandum of understating. Lavrov verbally pokes at the Outlaw Empire, and Shoygu uses some sarcasm. Quite informative with the Q&A segment … Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 24 2019 0:49 utc | 24 At the time of the JFK assassination, William Barr was 13 years old. Now, I suppose it’s possible his father Donald Barr, the OSS veteran, was somehow connected to the assassination, but I believe at the time of the assassination he was teaching English literature at Columbia University. The next year, he became head of the Dalton School. Posted by: Lysias | Oct 24 2019 0:54 utc | 25 Juliania @ 19, BM @ 28 (previous thread): Posted by: Jen | Oct 24 2019 1:09 utc | 26 Correction: From 1958 to 1964, Donald Barr headed the Columbia University Science Honors Program. CIA connection conceivable. Posted by: lysias | Oct 24 2019 1:10 utc | 27 And while everyone is focused on Syria the US Fed just increased the overnight REPO window from $75 billion to $120 billion a day as detailed in the ZH link below Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2019 1:15 utc | 28 Military coup attempt imminent in Bolivia as Evo Morales makes a desperate call for resistance to the people: @p #28 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 24 2019 1:38 utc | 30 My post @23 should more accurately have read “Barr is associated with the Cabal which is associated with the JFK assassination”. However, Barr does have an involvement in the JFK cover-up – Barr helped frustrate the Church Committee investigation into CIA abuses (which included an investigation into JFK). Posted by: ADKC | Oct 24 2019 1:39 utc | 31 Here’s a cool image gallery about Soviet secularism: If Eurasia, a large foreign holder of Oceania government bonds, were to liquidate the bulk of its holdings, would Oceania give money to its member banks to buy up all those bonds and thus prevent interest rates from rising dramatically and stawks from dropping precipitously (by sucking all the capital from no-yield unicorns to something that at least pays interest and guarantees return of principal)? Posted by: oglalla | Oct 24 2019 1:40 utc | 33 VK @ 29: Thanks for the update on Bolivia. Any news on the situation in Ecuador? The last I heard was that Lenin Moreno was forced to move his government to Guayaquil away from Quito. Perhaps he is preparing to flee to the US if things don’t turn out well for him? Posted by: Jen | Oct 24 2019 1:50 utc | 34 @ c1ue who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2019 1:54 utc | 35 ADKC @31: Look into Barr and he is clearly of the swamp and another bizarre Trump appointment. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 24 2019 1:55 utc | 36 Google has now published in Nature what is essentially the same paper as the previously retracted paper (both are “Quantum supremacy using a programmable superconducting processor”). In other news IBM is whining and handwaving about IBM not writing a similar paper 😛 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 24 2019 2:02 utc | 37 An excellent, in-depth analysis of what what just happened in Syria. Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 24 2019 2:04 utc | 38 @ c1ue.. you aren’t doing yourself any favours making comments like that.. posters note shit like that.. Posted by: james | Oct 24 2019 2:16 utc | 39 #33 Posted by: JW | Oct 24 2019 2:34 utc | 40 For those interested in AG Barr, here’s some history that might shed some light on why DJT picked him for AG.. Posted by: ben | Oct 24 2019 2:35 utc | 41 pl saying what i was saying about graham on the other thread.. Posted by: james | Oct 24 2019 2:38 utc | 42 @8 Trailer Trash Posted by: imo | Oct 24 2019 2:42 utc | 43 @29 vk Posted by: Grieved | Oct 24 2019 2:51 utc | 44 43. Whatever Latin America does to it’s ‘neoliberal rule of plunder’ I will bet you 100 pesos that whatever comes after it, out of the ‘genius’ of street protest, it will look more like Venezuela than …. you see? I can’t even come up with a good example of South American societal order. What you have there is a continent that has not even begun to understand how deeply embedded in their collective consciousness their ‘oppressed’ mentality is. And with good reason. Shit history. But no way is there the enlightened thought capable of building a nation state that can stand the test of time. 100 pesos. Posted by: Jezabeel | Oct 24 2019 3:39 utc | 45 Below is a ZH link to the lying NYT about b’s posting regarding Hillary saying that the Russians were grooming Tulsi……they have changed the story to say that the Republican’s are grooming Tulsi…the NYT is not even safe for the bottom of bird cages. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2019 3:44 utc | 46 I second jayc’s call to MoA readers to share Craig Murray’s article on Assange as widely as possible. We should also ask Jimmy Dore, Aaron Maté, Kyle Kulinski, and Lee Camp to cover the story in their shows. Posted by: S | Oct 24 2019 3:58 utc | 47 In contrast to the $120 billion/day, $45 billion 2-week and $60 billion/month liquidity limits of the US Fed is the short posting below about China’s recent injection of $8.49 billion for a 1-week period Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2019 3:59 utc | 48 I am going to add another Xinhuanet short posting below about October 24th being United Nations Day and trust it won’t violate b’s posting parameters Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2019 4:13 utc | 49 What should I know about protests in Lebanon? Posted by: Charles Peterson | Oct 24 2019 4:48 utc | 50 @23 ADKC It’s still uncommon to see details of PROMIS’s abilities posted, and a lot of out there is deliberate disinfo, clouding its mysterious method of data relay. Posted by: NJH | Oct 24 2019 6:10 utc | 51 So many events happening that the ousting of the late spanish dictator from his pharaohnic burial site is going unnoticed by the international media, for the time being anyway…. champagne will be in high demand today all over Spain. Posted by: Paco | Oct 24 2019 8:29 utc | 52 I’m currently residing in Bolivia where there is an attempted “color revolution” taking place. Hello @54:
Paco @53: as long as he is somewhere convenient to use as a toilet. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 24 2019 11:32 utc | 54 South Korean growth slows to 0.4% on quarter Brother Erdo intends to make atomic explosive gizmos? Naw! Posted by: Walter | Oct 24 2019 12:56 utc | 56 Sometimes Spain is a mystery to me. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 24 2019 13:12 utc | 57 Assange’s imprisonment was a total farce right from the start, the events in Sweden were a pure stich-up. Murray was surprised at his treatment, deterioration, I was as well. Posted by: Noirette | Oct 24 2019 15:12 utc | 58 Almasdar News has been hacked. The pages open into porn sites. Apparently the borg doesn’t like what they are reporting. Posted by: m | Oct 24 2019 15:23 utc | 59 #56 vk Posted by: JW | Oct 24 2019 15:25 utc | 60 Never mind the lat post about Almasdar. Seems those guys are on top of it. Fixed now. Posted by: m | Oct 24 2019 15:48 utc | 61 A fuller explanation of my ‘erudition’ on the wisdom of the serpent can be found in the following: Posted by: juliania | Oct 24 2019 16:11 utc | 62 I am very much on the side of the ‘free Assange’ movement, and I would recommend to everyone the following site: Posted by: juliania | Oct 24 2019 16:30 utc | 65 Posted by: imo | Oct 24 2019 2:42 utc | 43
There is a video version of the podcast on YouTube: Joe Rogan Experience #1368 – Edward Snowden Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 24 2019 17:08 utc | 66 @p #35 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 24 2019 17:08 utc | 67 @james #39 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 24 2019 17:12 utc | 68 Not to be forgotten is also Craig Murray’s essay/reportage on the Dawn Sturges inquest. Posted by: Walter | Oct 24 2019 17:23 utc | 69 I wrote the following in reply to the comment I made at The Saker’s latest assessment of events in Syria which I thought I’d share here. Clearly, the UN will continue to be THE venue for global relations, so understanding the reasoning and the events and politics related to its inception ought to be considered an important field of study but within the Outlaw US Empire the opposite happens to be the rule–all that’s barely studied for what become obvious reasons when one digs just a bit below the surface. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2019 17:24 utc | 70 Putin humor example is offered by the linked item. The expression on Lavrov’s face in the stilled video capture is excellent and one which should grace his biography! Oh, the article does convey some useful info, too. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2019 17:39 utc | 71 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 24 2019 2:02 utc | 37 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 24 2019 17:40 utc | 72 What we don’t know won’t hurt us? . . .Once a daily occurrence in previous administrations, State Department press briefings went down to weekly under President Trump, then monthly, and now. . .the most recent press briefing was September 12, seven weeks ago here. The White House and Pentagon situations are similar. Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 24 2019 17:44 utc | 73 The first Russia-Africa Summit was a big hit; too bad its events were overshadowed by those in Syria. Here’s its website. As reported here, the Summit formalized the overt adherence of all the attendants to Russia’s political goal of elevating the UN’s importance through the issuance of this Declaration which again emphasizes the following: Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2019 18:14 utc | 74 Nice article by Thierry Meyssan: Posted by: Alpi | Oct 24 2019 18:26 utc | 75 imo@43 While I haven’t listened to the whole 3 hours in the first hour or so he does describe how the Bush executive branch lied to, misled, and blackmailed congress into maintaining cover for its illegal surveillance operations and then got them retrospectively legalized when they were exposed by the NYT reporter (story withheld until after Bush’s reelection). He also describes the NSA and CIA as operating behind a wall of “TOP SECRET” designations for all their activities, and how they operate at the behest of the executive branch. He also describes the contractor mentality and how the system is such a cash cow that employees much prefer to feather their nests than to risk their jobs, and the ubiquitous greed of the firms producing useless junk for big bucks. Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 24 2019 18:41 utc | 76 There was low turnout for the Afghanistan presidential “election” held on September 28th, about twenty percent, but even with fewer ballots to count there has been no announcement of the “election” result. But that’s not surprising, we never got an account of the last “election” in 2014, after which the US decided that two candidates should share national “leadership.” Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 24 2019 18:41 utc | 77 Julian Assange— The fact that the state can so openly do what they are doing to this man demonstrates to me that the Borg, Deep State, whatever one wants to call it is still in charge completely and in your face about it. They do not give a shit what we think about it. Posted by: arby | Oct 24 2019 18:55 utc | 78 VP Pence has railed that “China has increased its interventions in Hong Kong” here but actuall there haven’t been any such. Hong Kong in an autonomous ex-UK colony experiencing violent protests against Hong Kong, not China. In fact China has acceded to HK autonomy and not interceded. Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 24 2019 18:59 utc | 79 Below is a link to the most recent posting at Ellen Brown’s web site which I learned a lot from reading and encourage others to as well Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 24 2019 19:15 utc | 80 Noirette @59
That was a false flag in my opinion, complete with crisis actors outside the government building that was bombed to pieces. 22/7 (22. July) was our 9/11. There were reports of multiple shooters at Utøya (labour party youth summer camp). The day before the young labour aspiring politicians demonstrated with a big banner in favour of boycotting Israel, the next day the bombing and shooting happened. Obviously there was a police terror exercise training for the exact scenario nearby on the same day, but of course the training didn’t help. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 24 2019 19:39 utc | 81 The Valdai Club Paper, “Economic Integration in the Middle East: Problems and Prospects,” is now available here to read or download. The Club has also produced a paper related to the just concluded first ever Russia-Africa Summit that can be read or downloaded here. Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2019 20:25 utc | 82 Jackrabbit #36 and AKDC Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 24 2019 20:27 utc | 83 @Walter #57 Posted by: Zedd | Oct 24 2019 20:31 utc | 84 @ ut 84 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 24 2019 20:32 utc | 85 pessimist Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 24 2019 20:53 utc | 86 Anybody know what gives with OffGuardian.org? Has been offline for several days, undergoing “maintenance”. Have they been hit again? Posted by: Red | Oct 24 2019 21:06 utc | 87 Trump OKs $4.5 Million for Al-Qaeda-Linked White Helmets Posted by: Rolf | Oct 24 2019 21:15 utc | 88 @70 karlof1.. of course understanding history with regard to world events, is very important.. i happened to read margaret macmillans book – paris 1919.. Posted by: james | Oct 24 2019 21:16 utc | 89 @psychohistorian #28 Posted by: Stever | Oct 24 2019 21:30 utc | 90 Stever @91: Yeah, cookies, I never keep cookies, I’d try cleaning the Moon cookie(s) and see if that helps. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 24 2019 21:50 utc | 91 Fascinating pro-Tulsi video from right-wing commentator Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 24 2019 22:16 utc | 92 James @90– Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2019 23:58 utc | 93 To all the folks with suggestions about my HTML posting issue Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2019 0:02 utc | 94 Google claims to have achieved quantum supremacy:
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2019 0:02 utc | 95 Posted by: Philippe | Oct 25 2019 1:36 utc | 97 @94 karlof1.. thanks for your reply… keep us posted on what you find in what you are following! Posted by: james | Oct 25 2019 3:21 utc | 98 @ Petri Krohn # 67 with the : Joe Rogan Experience #1368 – Edward Snowden video link Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2019 3:36 utc | 99 The final report by air accident investigators into the Lion Air crash of a 737 MAX in Indonesia that killed 189 people a year ago provides a devastating critique of the design and certification of Boeing’s new flight-control system on the airplane. Posted by: Arioch | Oct 25 2019 7:19 utc | 100 |
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