China's Anniversary Parade Reveals New Weapons That Will Influence U.S. Strategies
The People's Republic of China held a great parade (3h video, shorter version with comments) to celebrate the 70th anniversary of its founding. Some interesting new weapons were on display that are of strategic significance.
China has, like Russia and Iran, used the decades the U.S. military wasted with counter insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan to build strength where the U.S. military has weaknesses. Those weaknesses are most visible in the Navy:
New classes of quiet diesel submarines and new developments in mine and torpedo technology make operations close to tense coastlines far more dangerous today than in the past. As a result, U.S. aircraft carriers are no longer immune from risk when entering waters within range of enemy forces.More serious still is the deployment of Russian and Chinese area denial systems, like the so-called carrier killer DF-21 antiship missile developed in the last decade by China. Its range of over 1,000 miles far outstrips the range of any warplane on U.S. flight decks today. Sailing a U.S. carrier strike force through the Taiwan Strait these days—in a show of support for pro-democracy forces in Hong Kong, for instance—would risk catastrophe.
Iran does not yet possess anything as sophisticated as China’s DF-21. However, its domestically produced Noor antiship missile (itself a reverse-engineered rip-off of an earlier Chinese cruise missile) is dangerous at over 100 miles. [...] The combination of these missiles and Iran’s fleet of fast and cheap patrol boats has been enough to keep the USS Lincoln out of the Persian Gulf as tensions between Iran and the United States increased this summer.
The carrier killer DF-21 is no longer China's top weapon. It is a ballistic missile and a U.S. carrier group may be able to use its missile defenses to take it down. China used the last years to exceed its capabilities.
AP reports of today's parade:
One closely-watched weapon unveiled Tuesday was the Dongfeng-17, a glider capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. Foreign analysts say is designed to maneuver at high speed to evade anti-missile defenses.Another missile displayed, the Dongfeng-41, is believed to have a range of up to 15,000 kilometers (9,400 miles), which would make it world’s longest-range military missile. Analysts say it may be able to carry as many as 10 warheads to hit separate targets.
Here are some screenshots from the parade video.

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The DF-17 is a road mobile system. Its first stage is a solid fuel missile. The second stage is the hypersonic glider which can fly beyond mach 5 and is maneuverable. This is another aircraft carrier killer against which the U.S. has absolutely no defenses.

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The DF-41 is a road mobile beast. The 8 axle vehicle can transport, erect and launch the missile. The DF-41 is supposedly a solid fuel missile. That means that it only requires a very short time to deploy and launch. It will be difficult to interdict while it is still on the ground. There were a total of 16 of these monsters in the parade.
There were other systems of interests.

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This seems to be a communication relay drone. It can be used to communicate with, and steer, another drone from the ground even when the second one is over the horizon looking for U.S. ships. It makes Chinese drones independent of satellite communications.

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The HSU-001s are also drones but they do not fly but dive. These are likely to be used as reconnaissance vehicle against U.S. submarines and ships. They could also be useful for secretly mining an enemy harbor.

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This unmanned thingy is interesting. It looks fast and stealthy and has two liquid fueled engines. While it has an undercarriage the two suspension lugs on its top insinuate that it can be launched from another plane. It looks fast and stealthy but is confusing. Is it a bomber that returns to an airport? It looks a bit too flimsy for that. Is the thing itself a "suicide drone" i.e. the warhead that hits the target? Why then does it need an undercarriage? It might be for reconnaissance but it has no visible optic systems.

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This is a well sized unmanned and stealthy drone that can be used as a bomber or to launch stand-off missiles. The one system shown may be a mock up but that means that something like it is in the works and will come.
Next to several thousand marching soldiers there a number of upgraded tanks, missile systems, shore launched anti-ship missiles and lots of drones. China's equivalent of the Russian S-300 was on display and several large and very modern early warning radars. There were also dozens of mid-range missile that are, in the case of a conflict, probably supposed to end the U.S. base on Guam.
Nearly all the systems shown were road-mobile. That means that China can easily deploy even the big ones to its islands and reefs in the South China Sea. During a crisis or conflict the U.S. Navy would have to avoid the whole area or prepare for a very bad day.
In 2001 then President George W. Bush said the U.S. would do "whatever it takes" to defend Taiwan should China insist on a forced reunion. In 2006 the U.S. operation plan on how to do that was revealed:
"The Pacific command developed a new `strategic concept' for the Taiwan contingency in December 2002, and an updated plan was produced in July 2003. Last year, based upon new 2004 guidance from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the Joint Chiefs of Staff ... a final Taiwan defense plan was published," Arkin wrote.The plan now includes "air, naval, ground amphibious, and missile defense forces and `excursions' to defend Taiwan. Options include maritime intercept operations in the Taiwan straits [sic], attacks on Chinese targets on the mainland, information warfare and `non-kinetic' options, even the potential use of American nuclear weapons," Arkin wrote.
Air operations in support of Taiwan will be difficult when U.S. carriers can no longer dare to go near China. Maritime intercept operations in the Taiwan straits are becoming wishful thinking. Taiwan has changed its defense strategy in sight of these new circumstances:
Taiwan’s new defense concept employs an asymmetric defense strategy, where Taiwan maximizes its defense advantages, and targets an invading force when it is at its weakest. Whereas Taiwan’s previous strategy focused on fighting across the entire Taiwan Strait and defeating the enemy through attrition, the new concept divides Taiwan’s defense operations into two phases, both closer to Taiwan’s shores where the lines of communication are short and Taiwan’s forces can benefit from land-based air denial and more effective surveillance and reconnaissance.
The U.S. strategy has for decades been based on air-superiority and sea control. It has yet to adopt to the new situation in which anti-access and area denial (A2/AD) weapons prohibit the use of most of its (very expensive) offensive systems.
The lack of U.S. capabilities extend to its defense systems. Hypersonic vehicles make U.S. missile defenses largely useless. Saudi Arabia recently learned that the U.S. has no air defense system that is readily capable of defeating cruise missiles and drones. While the Saudis had spent billions of dollars on U.S. air defense systems the Houthi could use those rather simple and effective weapons to attack one of its largest oil installations. It is no wonder then that the Saudis are now filing for peace:
Saudi Arabia has given a green light to Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi to arrange a meeting with Iran as a first step towards de-escalating tensions in the region, Middle East Eye can reveal.Abbas al-Hasnawi, an official in the prime minister's office, told MEE on Tuesday that Abdul Mahdi was mediating between the leaderships in Riyadh and Tehran and had communicated each side's conditions for talks to the other.
The Saudis still set some dumb conditions for talks but a few more Houthi attacks on its oil infrastructure will convince them that those are unnecessary.
The Saudis have to climb down because the superpower that once protected them is no longer able to do so. At least not as easily as it used to do.
Andrei Martyanov and others have long predicted that the moment would come where the U.S. would lose its supremacy. We no longer have to wait for it. The moment is here.
Posted by b on October 1, 2019 at 18:00 UTC | Permalink
« previous pagePRC just released their helicopter carrier not too long ago with a second one in the docks. along with their aircraft carriers which they are building. many wonder what's the point of it?... the days of carrier empires are over...jason | Oct 2 2019 13:39 utc | 84:
Many like to compare the fate of carriers with battleships, but they forget the roles of these ships. Battleships were rather limited while carriers are much more versatile. I doubt carriers will go away as they are essentially a FOB. They're useful for those emergency situations such as dealing with attacks on national interests. I bet the Chinese wished they had carriers during the US-Yugoslavia war. They would have the ability to either prevent the embassy bombing and or provide assistance to their diplomatic staff in crisis.
Construction of their LHDs are impressive. It only took them 8 months from laying the keel (Feb) to launch (Sept). Their second LHD is about 20% complete and they plan on building at least 3. At this pace, their second LHD would be launched by the end of this year!!! However, the speed of construction is rather worrying, as it indicates the Chinese see a military conflict just over the horizon.
Time will tell what China will become once they've built up their military by the 2050s. Will the Chinese fall into the same trap as the US did by becoming the World police? IF they do, it'll be under the banner of the UN and for global stability while the US was doing it for "democracy" and "freedom".
face seems to be everything for the chinese... this military parade show is more face.. what backs it up - is harder to know.
james | Oct 2 2019 16:33 utc | 100:
This concept of face is prevalent in the entire Far East region. One way to look at military parades is that it's a bloodless way to inform adversaries where they stand. We all know that building weapons in secrecy have no effect on politicians until it's revelation (i.e. Russia's missile launch from the Caspian Sea). However, I agree military parades are bit over the top especially when dragging out hardware. A simple march would suffice. Meanwhile, the US don't need parades because they're always showcasing their weapons globally for over 50 years now.
Posted by: Ian2 | Oct 2 2019 19:50 utc | 102
@102 uncoy.. i resent and don't resemble the way you've characterized me.. clearly you don't get me very well either.. either you are a really stupid fucker, or you can't read very well, especially between the lines.. regarding what you say in response to joosts post - i've brought that up on the open thread and share your sentiments.. hopefully b will respond.. cheers james
@105 ian2.. thanks... i agree with how you've put in your comments... unfortunately i don't have time to respond to all the posts that my post had responses to...
Posted by: james | Oct 2 2019 20:21 utc | 103
uncoy, Gruff
james is a frequent commenter. It's not fair to judge him/slam him based on one comment.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 2 2019 21:26 utc | 104
thanks jackrabbit.. william gruff is and was very respectful and didn't blow me off like uncoy.. there in lies the difference.. i agree with wgs comments to me as well too fwiw..
Posted by: james | Oct 2 2019 21:44 utc | 105
Uncoy's occasional contribution to comment threads here mostly consist of telling b how to govern the comments section.
Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Oct 2 2019 21:52 utc | 106
Uncoy @ 102, Arby @ 103:
Canada has been encouraging Chinese billionaires (some of whom may have been looking to invest money into offshore tax havens) to invest in Quebec through a harebrained investment scheme targeting wealthy people but through incompetence and lack of funding and staff allowed them to park their monies in Vancouver and Toronto real estate instead. Buying property itself is a form of tax evasion.
Incidentally Beijing does go after Chinese tax criminals, even famous ones.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 2 2019 23:41 utc | 107
@109 peter... thanks... i am super busy and will be gone for 5 days.. i have a lot on my plate and generally don't do videos if i can do transcripts.. living in vancouver mostly of my life, and being involved in the chinese community thru tai chi and even being involved in the chinese new year celebrations back in the 70's, i have a pretty good bead on the chinese culture from a particular vantage point.. uncoy is an ignoramus. that much is apparent..
Posted by: james | Oct 3 2019 0:22 utc | 108
Ian2 | Oct 2 2019 19:50 utc | 105
yes Ian they are mobile offshore bases (FOB).
although, i kind of don't believe there was a need for carriers in serbia for the protection of the embassy... the circumstances of that incident are murky as some say local commanders *arkan and others were supposedly in there directing the war efforts. but say even if china had carriers to park it in the med. to protect their personnel, it would never be top priority to the shipping routes of the oil tankers then and now. the incident was retaliated by the grounding of the recon plane off the coast of china not long after the end of open conflict around 1999.
i don't think the speed of the construction should be too worrisome, as japan has recently birthed a LHD not too long ago. it is just more of balancing the balance of military powers. that said, i do see them using their forces to protect their shipping goods/fossil fuels should any threats arise.
of course one can assume they will take up the mantle of world police once fully armed, but again just as with yugoslavia, syria, iraq, others i just don't see that happening, could it happen sure. they are not benevolent weapons, as weapons are weapons, but they are more interested in business and protection of those interests may well be under the UN banner, but you can not do business if china goes into full mission creep mode with one country after another.
Posted by: jason | Oct 3 2019 4:51 utc | 109
Can't think why, but this post and its comments remind me of that old Arthur C. Clarke story....
Posted by: jalp | Oct 3 2019 5:58 utc | 110
james
The BMW owner might be saying 'see, I've made it big', thats vanity.
the PLA is sending a message to potential enemies,'Dont even try.......', thats for deterrence.
Sun Tzi
'The best general stop his enemy without wasting a single arrow'
BIg difference.
Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2019 16:43 utc | 111
* One way to look at military parades is that it's a bloodless way to inform adversaries where they stand.*
Thats what China is doing.
* However, I agree military parades are bit over the top *
marching without baring the WMD kinda like defeating the purpose of deterrence.
Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2019 16:51 utc | 112
William Gruff 76
*This utter hypocrisy is apparently baked right into the American cerebral operating system, corrupting their thinking below the conscious level. They don't even realize how messed up it is.*
murikkanos are kept in the dark and fed B.S.
all day long since birth ....like mushrooms.
If you try feeding them honey they'd vomit out and curse you for trying to poison them.
Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2019 17:15 utc | 113
Highly recommend viewers to watch this 1.5 hours of celebration at night: dances, songs, music, fireworks, colors, shows...
Probably the most spectacular performance ever staged in human history. It is simply amazing:
Posted by: d dan | Oct 4 2019 7:02 utc | 114
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"- I am NOT convinced that those russian and chinese weapons are superiour or equal to similar US made weapons.
Posted by: Willy2 | Oct 2 2019 13:50 utc | 85"
Well, what would convince you? One landing on your head?
Posted by: arby | Oct 2 2019 19:18 utc | 101