Trump has congratulated Ukraine and Russia on the prisoner release. We await a similar reaction from Chrysta Freeland of the Canadian Bandera Party.
Trump tweeted: “Russia and Ukraine just swapped large numbers of prisoners. Very good news, perhaps a first giant step to peace. Congratulations to both countries!”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-planes-land-russia-ukraine-104644150.html

Posted by: dh | Sep 7 2019 19:46 utc | 4

Thank you Martin #5, maybe the Bill Gates foundation could team up with Amnesty International and fly in planeloads of people and drugs to assist. Perhaps the US army can guarantee supply from their mates in Afghanistan. There must be plenty of NGO’s willing to join that scam too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 7 2019 20:10 utc | 6

uncle tungsten #7
Bayer/Monsanto can supply the drugs. Monsanto already has concessions there.

Posted by: Russ | Sep 7 2019 20:24 utc | 8

If Volodomyr Tsemakh was still included in the prisoner swap after being questioned by Dutch investigators from the MH17 Joint Investigation Team, what might that action say about the nature of the allegations against him? Surely if the JIT had a case against Tsemakh, he should have stayed in prison and not been included in the swap.
With each passing day, the Netherlands becomes ever more complicit in the MH17 shootdown and cover-up, and one begins to suspect the Dutch should never have been put in charge of investigating the incident in the first place, given that the plane took off from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol which was already notorious as the place where the Underpants Bomber boarded a Michigan-bound flight in 2009.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 7 2019 20:53 utc | 10

Part of a pattern… see “Petite leçon d’histoire à Justin Trudeau” (voltaire [dot] org)
fragment in translation> Minister Justin Trudeau’s statement on August 23 is politically motivated anti-Russian propaganda that does not serve Canada’s national interest. Trudeau insulted, for no reason, not only the Government of the Russian Federation, but also all Russians whose parents and grandparents participated in the Great Patriotic War. It tries to remove all legitimacy from the emancipatory character of the war of the USSR against the German invader and thus to discredit the Soviet war effort. Trudeau’s statement serves the interests of his Ukrainian-born foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland, a Russophobe who pays tribute to his late grandfather, a Ukrainian accomplice of the Nazis in German-occupied Poland.It supports a regime in Kiev that emerged from a violent coup against the elected Ukrainian president (the Maidan coup). This re

Posted by: Walter | Sep 7 2019 21:16 utc | 12

The site syrianperspective.com has been down for several days.
Does anyone know what is going on?

Posted by: MoonReader | Sep 7 2019 21:43 utc | 14

We had this one at that time too.
“Peter Abetz points to positive legacy of his high-ranking Nazi great-uncle
Western Australian MP tells SBS there was no excuse for Otto Abetz’s actions during the Holocaust but remembers his work to protect Jewish-owned art and negotiate peace…”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/05/peter-abetz-points-to-positive-legacy-of-his-high-ranking-nazi-great-uncle
These were the types in government when MH17 was shot down. Other than now attacking China, nothing much has changed since then.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 7 2019 22:35 utc | 16

thanks b… apparently this propaganda is working well on canucks, as one can see from the comment section.. how the fuck crystia freeland is in any position of power or influence in canada is a huge embarrassment to me and a number of others living here.. ignorance reigns supreme.. federal election is in october probably.. we will be getting the same or a new set of rejects..

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2019 23:04 utc | 18

OT–OT–OT–OT–OT–But still about a prisoner.
The Road to Lula and the road after the interview provided by Pepe Escobar. This is an FYI to barflies who might miss this part of the story. Another video’s linked, but still in Portuguese. It’s not a hard news piece; more recap and miscellaneous musings, Pepe-style. I hope he writes about the conversations he mentions. Alas, Lula’s unlikely to be exchanged; Pepe’s educated guess:
“A Lula in the process of Mandelazation may be even ‘allowed’ to be set free, or placed under house arrest.”
Brazil was certainly a victory for the Neoliberalcons. Argentina may rebound but has a massive neoliberal ball & chain tied to it that ought to be repudiated. Trump may have failed in Eurasia, but another raping of all nations South of the border continues. Most are prisoner nations yearning to be free.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 8 2019 2:06 utc | 20

Makes sense. For most people in The West everyone behind the Iron Curtain are Russians.

Posted by: jiri | Sep 8 2019 4:26 utc | 22

The Moldovan is Petru Nicolaevici Melniciuc, born in 1972. No social media activity or previous mentions of him in the Moldovan press that I could find, so no idea who this guy is.
All Moldovans speak Russian, but not very many speak Ukrainian. Also, a lot of Moldovans used to (and some still do) go to Crimea for vacation, so could be yet another guy who was “in the wrong place at the wrong time”.

Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2019 4:55 utc | 24

Posted by: jiri | Sep 8 2019 4:26 utc | 25
Makes sense. For most people in The West everyone behind the Iron Curtain are Russians.
Well that might be a bit exaggerated (Eastern Germans and Hungarians were never considered Russians), but the notion that all Eastern Slavs are Russians is not that far from truth.

Posted by: hopehely | Sep 8 2019 5:32 utc | 26

Offtopic #1: https://mobile.twitter.com/HuaweiEMUI/status/1169974279599009800
Huawei starts rolling out Android 10.
When anti-Huawei sanction were promised many “analysts” loudly claimed Huawei would be detached not only from Android network services, but from sources too. Despite Android being FLOSS.
Offtopic #2: Academia, the site that publishes Katchanovsky’s works, just sent me another notification about papers i’d be interested to read. One post was… refreshing 🙂
In addition to ethnographic study consisting of
participant observations and informal interviewing, data from European
Social Survey (2010-2013) and face-to-face survey conducted by an initiative
group of sociologists on Maidan were used in order to approach this goal.
Results of the study show that values of the Euromaidan (Universalism,
Benevolence, Self-Direction, Stimulation, and Security) coincide more with
European values, especially those of developed Western and Scandinavian
countries, than Ukrainian ones. Furthermore, values of protesters find its
reflection in deeply rooted Ukrainian identity.
……
protest against Yanukovych and Azarov, the former president and
PM of Ukraine respectively, following their refusal to sign the Association Agreement with the
EU
……
First, the Euromaidan is not the first
revolution in modern Ukrainian history, but it is unique as the Orange revolution in 2004 was a
political revolution, while the Euromaidan is primarily a social, or even “values revolution.”
……
Other important processes that happened on Maidan were ‘de-sovietization’ and
‘paradigmatic shift’. From a retrospective point of view, the Euromaidan stimulated processes of
nation building, as well as decolonization from the Soviet legacy. Evidence of this could be so-
called “leninopad,” when people ruined monuments of Lenin as a sign of unacceptance of Soviet
ideology. Another example is a red-black flag of UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) that was
nothing more than a symbol of unity against Soviet past. Mainly, this shift of values was
manifested by transition from state-reliance behavior to self-reliance, self-direction, and people
autonomy that has deep roots in Ukrainian identity and history. Altogether, it leads to the
development of civil society and growing demand for social activism and social capital building.
Lately, the Ukrainian revolution has turned to local crisis, and, afterwards, to global aggression,
terrorism, and war. The Euromaidan as a community has the potential to become a prototype of
a postmodern society that allows people of different origins, language preference, or religious
denomination to live together in harmony without any leader, except common values and ideas.
Thus, social structure and values of Ukrainian revolution deserve special attention from social
scientists.
And so forth. The politically correct mumbo-jumbo which contradicts itself on each turn.
I most liked “decolonization from legacy”. And that without italics or quotes, IOW in direct literal sense!
Well, expected from
Social, Health, and Communication Studies Journal
Contemporary Ukraine: A case of Euromaidan, Vol. 1(1), November 2014
MacEwan University, Canada
National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy, Ukraine
Ternopil State Medical University, Ukraine
Dunno, why Academia decided to notify me today…

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 8 2019 8:42 utc | 28

Stef Blok @ 28
To go over old ground – MH17 was almost certainly shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. This is what I was told at the time by people who should know.
Russia has declined to get involved in the argument, save to emphasise that Russia was not involved, and to point out that the serial number of the Buk missile, which the Dutch claim shot down MH17, and which they paraded before the press, showed it to have been one that was in the possession of the Ukraine at the time of the shooting down of the aircraft. (Russia must have enjoyed that).
And off-topic slightly, except it relates to more porky-pies from the same clumsy NATO lie factory, there is a lovely snippet it the London Sunday Times today: “Novichok home declared safe. The Salisbury home of the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal, who survived a nerve agent attack, has been declared safe 18 months after its letterbox was coated with Novichok poison…….”
Oh, the letter-box! I thought you said the door-handle! That explains everything.

Posted by: Montreal | Sep 8 2019 10:08 utc | 30

Montreal @31
I’ve heard what I suppose could be called “a hybrid theory” on what downed MH17 which is that it took both the Ukrainian fighter jet and Ukrainian BUK to shoot it down. The Ukrainian fighter first shot up the cockpit of MH17, killing the pilot and copilot; however, since the airliner was on autopilot at the time of the attack it just continued on its merry way. The BUK was required to finish the job.
I am not sure that I buy this theory as it seems that it might take longer to realize that the fighter jet had not disabled the airliner and follow up with a missile than it would take for the airliner to pass out of Donbass airspace. On the other hand, the Ukrainians could have been prepared ahead of time for the possibility that a machine gun would not be enough to take out an airliner and have the BUK system ready to launch at a moment’s notice, but that is not the kind of coordinated military operation that the Ukrops have ever shown themselves capable of.
On the gripping hand, if downing MH17 were an operation guided by the CIA it would have both belt and suspenders… the hit man in the jet and the backup team with the BUK.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 8 2019 10:34 utc | 32

William Gruff @ 33
The other part of the story of course is that MH17 was shot down in the mistaken belief that it was President Putin’s plane with the President in it. So anything is possible. The pilot of the Ukrainian jet later killed himself, or was killed. Surprisingly enough I first read this in a Murdoch newspaper.
I know the Ukraine a bit – I worked there – and saw that corruption and incompetence are absolutely endemic in that country, if you can call it a country. The Maidan coup was in the planning a couple of years before it happened – US and German businessmen were casing the joint, especially in the east, the wealthy part. The Americans wanted Crimea and Motor Sich, the Germans the iron and steel. No one wanted Galicia! I believe – and I emphasise that this is just a belief, that when Russia realised that all their attempts to create a loose federation of the different parts of Ukraine were going to be thwarted by the West, they gave the go-ahead to the people who wanted independence for Donetsk/Donbas. But these people, through greed, incompetence and/or corruption also in the event cocked up, which is why Mariupol is not now part of the independent area.

Posted by: Montreal | Sep 8 2019 11:05 utc | 34

@Montreal 28
I can assure you it was a Ukrainian BUK rocket. Coming from someone who actually knows.
The Ukrainian jet story involving a 30 mm cannon is completely bogus. The combined speed of the two aircraft, the firing rate and limitations of the gun make a single hit highly unlikely, let alone multiple hits.
The truth will come out, it’s just a matter of time.
The dynamics of 2019 are different from 2014. People in the Ukraine will start talking. People in the intelligence community will start leaking. Politicians are eager for new photo ops. Journalists will defy gag orders. Freedom of information requests sometimes produce results that should have been redacted but slipped through nonetheless.
Russia knows. The Ukraine knows. The US knows. Malaysia knows. Belgium knows. Australia knows. The Netherlands knows. They all know. The Malaysian PM actually speaks up, ignoring the narrative.
It’s a game of musical chairs. By the time the music stops, the Dutch police, public prosecutor and politicians are left standing with their pants down. This will have serious implications for Dutch legal proceedings, both on a national and international level.
It’s scandalous how they use the family of the victims to further their political agenda. The politicians in The Hague should go straight to the ICC. Opportunistic bastards.
The various state and non-state actors involved, including the liars for hire from Bellingcat and their sponsors, should compensate the financial damage incurred in the EU and Russia as a result of the economic sanctions imposed on Russia.

Posted by: Stef Blok | Sep 8 2019 11:25 utc | 36

Montreal @ 31 and onwards:
The narrative I have read about the MH17 shoot-down is that two fighter jets coming from opposite directions shot down the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet. There was one jet coming towards the Boeing and another trailing it very closely behind, in its radar shadow. (The source of this narrative was Peter Haisenko, an ex-Lufthansa airline pilot.)
Also one of those jets did not make it back to the airfield and the pilot of the other jet, Vladimir Voloshin, was apparently shaking (with fear?) and repeating that the Boeing that was shot down was not the plane he and the other pilot were supposed to shoot down. Voloshin is the fellow who is supposed to have committed suicide.
The BUK missile attack may have been insurance to cover up the presence of the machine-gun hole; in other words, it was intended to lead any future forensic investigation astray. The SA-11 missile does not hit its target directly: rather, when it detects that it is close enough to its target (in front of and above), it explodes and sprays the target with something like 6,000 – 7,000 pieces of shrapnel. Because the Boeing is cruising at several hundred kilometres an hour, the entire plane passes under the cloud of shrapnel. Most of that shrapnel would penetrate the plane’s shell and hit the crew and passengers.
So it’s very curious then, that when bodies of the Australian passengers were sent to the State Coroner of Victoria, and CT scans were run over the bodies to detect metal (they’d been scanned by CT previously at the Hilversum US military base in the Netherlands for exactly the same thing), no metal was found.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 8 2019 12:00 utc | 38

11 Peter ” Too true, Tony Abbott Australian PM is completely to blame here! With in 10 minutes he knew who ‘dunnit’.

Posted by: col from Oz | Sep 8 2019 12:36 utc | 40

Montreal – Door handle/knob, letter box, bottle of perfume… And we, the sheeple, are supposed to believe it all. Well, the BBC has finally admitted (at least on its World Service version of yesterday) that it is/will be (has all along?) partnering with the DARPA/Mossad folks via their more commonly recognized versions, to whit, Google, FB, Twit etc., in preventing our (that is the bewildered herd) being subjected to “disinformation,” “fake news.” So heartening to know that the British version of state-funded/controlled media has our very best interests at heart and wants to end our subjection to all of the lies, tall tales and mis/disinformation out there which distort our perception of reality. Reality as relayed by such *trustworthy beacons of freedom thought, speech and truth* as the BBC and NPR, that is.
Meanwhile, according to Edward Curtin over on Off Guardian, NPR’s new chief of whatever is a certain John Lansing, who is still, at present chief of the US government’s worldwide propaganda arm: VoA, Radio marti etc. NPR itself has confirmed this on their own website. So, even if one trusted (which I didn’t) that NPR (and its sister propaganda visual arm, PBS) provided the truth and nothing but the truth before, we can now rest assured that what we shall be told to believe, think and understand about the world is in truly trustworthy leadership hands…

Posted by: AnneR | Sep 8 2019 13:20 utc | 42

@ Jen | Sep 8 2019 12:00 utc | 39
‘ The SA-11 missile does not hit its target directly: rather, when it detects that it is close enough to its target (in front of and above), it explodes and sprays the target with something like 6,000 – 7,000 pieces of shrapnel. Because the Boeing is cruising at several hundred kilometres an hour, the entire plane passes under the cloud of shrapnel. Most of that shrapnel would penetrate the plane’s shell and hit the crew and passengers. ‘
This is a common misunderstanding of the inner workings of such a warhead. As I understand the warhead was of ABF (annular blast fragmentation) type, optimized for max hit probability in a disk like expanding pattern. To achieve max hit probability and, too, guarantee max damage to the target with such a device one would need a. a sufficient number of pre-manufactured fragments in suitable size and shape, b. optimized mass ratio of the propelling charge and fragments, c. max energy (speed) of the secondary missiles (fragments).
Explosives used in such devices come with a Gurney velocity of 2500-2750 m/s which leads us depending on the mass ratio from a. applied in a AA device to initial fragment velocities in the range of 1700-2200 m/s. Air drag, while it is substantial, isn’t of much concern in that phase.
Now, if such a device detonates say 10m from the intended target the fragments will reach that target in about 5-10 milliseconds. During that short amount of time the target (450 knots=~220m/s) will move a meager 1-2 m on its trajectory. Initial ‘thickness’ of the expanding fragment layer in this type of warhead I would estimate to be about 0.7-1 m, and expanding. Exact figures could only be given by the manufacturer or the Russian DoD. Anyhow, this will only result in a quite narrow band (couple of meters wide) of multiple hits but will not cover large areas of the target’s fuselage. Any other hit (wings etc.) could be explained by impact from tertiary missiles (debris from the disintegrating Buk missile itself).
If the airplane was hit by 30mm AA shells, these usually employ HEI explosives, there should be at least some residue to be found in the wreckage. I’m not at all saying there was none, given the ‘quality’ of investigation we all witnessed, they might simply have chosen to not reveal their findings.
Same is with remnants from fragments and/or shell casings. I would expect them to be of different types of alloys that would reveal the culprit (missile or aircraft cannon) in a proper investigation easily.
I once asked our dear CraigSummers (now MIA) to answer 2 questions in regards of the alleged launch site, that he chose not to reply to. Admittedly it was kind of a trick question I put to him to answer. I asked him to give me the initial exhaust velocity of the motor and the initial rate of consumption of propellant, which I would estimate to be in the range of 2000m/s for its mean velocity in the first second after ignition and a rate of consumption of 15-25 kg/s. Now, we all know of the dense white smoke coming from such a motor, this is predominantly aluminum oxide, as the propellants contain a significant amount (11-20%) of powdered aluminum in the 10-100 microns range. What does this mean for establishing the proper launch site. Easy, as the exhaust velocity and fuel consumption is already quite high (high momentum, kinetic energy hitting the ground) and it takes some time for the missile to leave the launch rail there must be significant contamination of the surrounding soil with aluminum oxide of specific particle size. If there’s no such contamination, then there’s been no launch.
So, if anyone being challenged about the ‘Bellingcat’ian’ claim, simply go ask about exhaust velocity, rate of consumption of propellant and analyzed soil samples of the site. This will shut them up for good.

Posted by: Hmpf | Sep 8 2019 13:41 utc | 44

> ….Ukrainian fighter first shot up the cockpit of MH17, killing the pilot and copilot; however, since the airliner was on autopilot …..The BUK was required to finish the job.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 8 2019 10:34 utc
1. I doubt a jetfighter can precisely machine-gun airliner cockpit. They both move very fast. Especially as the suspected bullet holes run top bottom AFAIR, not at the same related height.
It is pretty easy to move machine gun across target, when both you and target stand motionless on solid ground.
But in flight? While changing aim in both horizontal and vertical directions?
How many precedents do you know?
When Korean airliner ( KAL-007 ? ) was disabled that night, it was not gunned, but rockets were fired into its engines (and the airliner still flew away and almost made it to Japan regardless).
2. If there was double-shot, then shot at cockpit should had different aim: prevent people onboard reporting attack to earth.
During 9/11 passengers of the third hijacked flight allegedly got news and made last stand against terrorists, or so we were said, so passengers were able to communicate with their families somehow.
When Ukraine used S-200 to shoot Russian-Israeli flight over black see – pilots reported to flight controller. Albeit the report was very short and inconclusive, it was received.
Did anyone heard MH-17 pilots or passengers reported anything before death?

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 8 2019 19:34 utc | 46

@ james
“how the fuck crystia freeland is in any position of power or influence in canada is a huge embarrassment to me and a number of others living here”
Thanks, I feel less alone after reading this comment…

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 8 2019 20:42 utc | 48

Arioch @ 47:
“… Did anyone heard MH-17 pilots or passengers reported anything before death?”
My understanding is that the flight crew of an Air India jet travelling from New Delhi to Birmingham over eastern Ukraine was contacted by ATC in Dnepropetrovsk to try to establish contact with the MH17 flight crew after the latter plane’s transponder went off. The Air India jet was 90 seconds (or 25 kilometres) away from the Malaysia Airlines jet.
For the record, Singapore Airlines had a Copenhagen-to-Singapore flight going over the same area where MH17 fell just minutes (90 km) away, and another flight from Paris to Singapore over the area at almost the same time.
The Conversation link lambasts both Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines for flying planes through a warzone but what people should remember is that MH17 crew had requested permission to fly higher above Ukrainian airspace but was denied this permission. Flying through a country’s airspace instead of above it incurs an airspace tax to be paid by the airlines using it and the Banderites sorely needed the money to maintain their war against the Donbass rebels.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 8 2019 22:59 utc | 50

Peter AU 1 @ 48:
That Canadian guy was Michael Bociurkiw. He seems to have swallowed up the mainstream POV on both the Hong Kong protests and the MH17 shoot-down now.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 9 2019 1:01 utc | 52

According to the Saker, a Ukrainian fighter jet shot an IR missile at MH17, which hit the left engine, and the plane started going down, and slowed down, and the Uke fighter caught up, and strafed MH17’s cockpit with its machine gun.
Apparently it wasn’t a BUK, as this (bigger missile) would’ve blown the plane apart more, and also would’ve left a long smoke trail from the ground, which these apparently don’t dissipate quickly, as they’re more particulate smoke than condensation contrail.

Posted by: Canadian | Sep 9 2019 2:47 utc | 54

Re: Posted by: Arioch | Sep 8 2019 19:34 utc | 47

Did anyone heard MH-17 pilots or passengers reported anything before death?

Just waiting for those Blackbox Flight Recorder tapes.
They should be out soon as I believe the UK has some of their best people on them.
Just need a little positive folks as MH17 is obviously a very sensitive subject.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 9 2019 4:08 utc | 56

@ Formerly T-Bear | Sep 9 2019 7:34 utc | 57
Unfortunately that won’t work. I believe I’ve seen many if not most of these reports, what they are lacking is hard data. One would need all the properties of the layered skin and the penetrating projectile and most importantly the means to evaluate properly, that is a thorough understanding of the physics driving that kind of response to impact and penetration. Example for questions I believe would need to be asked: are the respective Young’s moduli (elasticity) involved and to what degree? Is the observed deformation a result of a reflection wave caused by incompatible impedance values of the materials involved? is it driven by subsequent penetration of the layers? is it something completely different? or is it a combination of the above or other factors? One would need to be a physicist or expert in material sciences to offer a substantiated answer to this, a chemist won’t cut it.

Posted by: Hmpf | Sep 9 2019 8:13 utc | 58

If guided by probabilities, then the Buk missile
with a 17m proximity fuse exploding 1m from the
cockpit window is a one in a million shot. Compare
this to the image seeking Python missile that seeks
and closes on the cockpit: probably 9 times out
of ten it will successfully close on the cockpit.
This is why it is famed for its ability to bring down
much larger planes.

Posted by: evilempire | Sep 9 2019 15:04 utc | 60

MH17 reconstruction photos
(“>https://images1.persgroep.net/rcs/)
https://hyser.com.ua/images/2018/06/06/TJqSuefZYp5vHZKg7f9MWbKcjcj1EzaL.jpg
Almaz Antey test.
Still from video https://www.metabunk.org/sk/20151013-112042-oombo.jpg
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk
11kg Python warhead most likely too small.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 16:44 utc | 62

Easiest way to check ngo’s is to check partners or donors.
https://www.hrw.org/about/partners
Start doing that and you find that all major and all minor ngo’s that appear in various MSM articles link back to the likes of NED, Soros, Ford Foundation ect.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 17:06 utc | 64

@63
I can’t at this moment find any text information on the
Python variants that carry 30 kg warheads. However
these images seem to be variants that
are carrying larger warheads than 11 kg.

Posted by: evilempire | Sep 9 2019 19:22 utc | 66

Compare this image
with the 11 kg warhead Python. It is at least twice the diameter and much longer.

Posted by: evilempire | Sep 9 2019 20:59 utc | 68

According to the captions and descriptions it is a python 5
air to air missile. I have not seen any references that pythons
can be air to ground. They have the surface to air python(derby)
missile.

Posted by: evilempire | Sep 9 2019 23:13 utc | 70

I think the article was on the smaller missile which is a python rather than the lager one appeared to be attached to the wingtip. Soviets had a few heavier air to air, 40 up to nearly 70kg warhead. The 70kg most likely to big for SU-25 as it was designed for the mig 25. The one around the 50 to 60 kg mark. A few mods and it would’ve been good to go.
Apparently Georgia modified a few Ukraine SU-25’s that Israel lent a hand with, so I had been looking at Israeli missile a few years back. I thought there was one around the 40kgbut could be wrong on that.

Posted by: Peter AU 1 | Sep 9 2019 23:40 utc | 72

There also was UkroTV news about a week before MH-17 showcasing their brave soldiers moving their BUK detachments to protect skies of Donbass from Russian aggression. Kinda routine jingoistic bla-bla, that is only interesting in retrospect, when euromaidowns started spinning “only rebels had BUKs we did not have”

Posted by: Arioch | Sep 10 2019 1:53 utc | 74